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Speaker 1: on Zion Williamson's court case about alleged improper benefits his

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Speaker 1: family took while he was at Duke. That could be

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Speaker 1: the last great scandal in college basketball. Not that you

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Speaker 1: legal zoom dot com, I mentioned Zion Williamson. Jay Billis

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Speaker 1: will talk about that situation. Athletes will be able to

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Speaker 1: profit off their own image. That's why the rules are

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Speaker 1: changing soon here. That means a lot of the elite

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Speaker 1: players will go straight to the NBA and the rest

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Speaker 1: will be able to make money through marketing deals. Although

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Speaker 1: it feels like the schools, the athletic directors and coaches

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Speaker 1: the potential for an unprecedented scandal because this involves Duke now,

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Speaker 1: and this is like if somebody said Derek Jeters use steroids,

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Speaker 1: You'd go, okay, now you got my attention. Duke has

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Speaker 1: been above the fray. Whether they're guilty or not here,

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Speaker 1: but at perception wise, Duke has been above the fray.

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Speaker 1: The other big time college programs, it can be Kansas,

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Speaker 1: it can be Syracused, it can be Kentucky, it can

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Speaker 1: be Louisville. They've all fallen under this cloud of controversy.

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Speaker 1: Williamson is being sued by a former marketing representative, but

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Speaker 1: the information that comes out could make the program look

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Speaker 1: very bad. It came out yesterday that Zion's parents moved

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Speaker 1: after Zion got to campus. Now, this is allegedly long

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Speaker 1: way to go in the case if it even goes

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Speaker 1: it's new territory for due But just as the days

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Speaker 1: of punishing programs for transgression, says start to become a

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Speaker 1: thing of the past, this one is front and center.

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk to Billis about this. That I said,

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Speaker 1: I would not be surprised. Very little surprises me anymore

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Speaker 1: in this business, in this world that I've worked in

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Speaker 1: over thirty years, and this wouldn't surprise me. As I

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Speaker 1: said before, do we love coach k Yes, I always

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Speaker 1: appreciate him coming on the program always he's great, But

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Speaker 1: that doesn't exonerate you from kind of blending in with

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Speaker 1: everybody else in college athletics. And that is maybe he

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Speaker 1: As I pointed out before, if Kansas has an assistant

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Speaker 1: why would I assume then, if somebody's asking for something there,

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Speaker 1: Because you could have gone to Duke from the beginning

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Speaker 1: got taken care of it? Duke? I do? Now? Did

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Speaker 1: But this might come out if we go further that

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Speaker 1: playing baseball. Okay. I would love it if he would

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Speaker 1: commissioner of Major League Baseball talking about baseball is coming back.

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Speaker 1: We're going to play baseball in twenty twenty one percent.

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Speaker 1: If it has to be under the March twenty sixth agreement.

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Speaker 1: Major League baseball, all right, here we go. Yeah, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was greedy. With a round of

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Speaker 1: that Baseball and I kept telling you fourth of July,

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Speaker 1: would put the heisman that they have back in Heritage Hall,

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Speaker 1: and I would put his number back, his jersey back

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Speaker 1: in Heritage Hall where it was when this whole thing happened,

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Speaker 1: Because that whole thing was a travesty, and it's not

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Speaker 1: a question of whether his family took money down to

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Speaker 1: San Diego or whatever. That was one of the most

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Speaker 1: corrupt investigations the nc double has ever gone through. Paul D,

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Speaker 1: the former athletic director of Miami, was the chair of

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Speaker 1: the committee that was the harshest sanctions since SMU got

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Speaker 1: the death penalty in nineteen eighty eighty six, eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: something like that. And a year later Miami was in

435
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: the crosshairs and Paul Paul D said, well, I didn't

436
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: know anything about it. I mean, it was the hypocrisy

437
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: at the highest level. I've never seen anything like that.

438
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I and Reggie was stripped from it.

439
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: We were way too involved in this, by the way, Jay,

440
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: That's why I can tell you with the firsthand knowledge.

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Speaker 1: But they sent him one of those prepaid crates to

442
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: ship his heisman. They wanted it back. They stripped him

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Speaker 1: of it. I just don't know if the heisman is

444
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Speaker 1: going to give it back to him. They should, I mean,

445
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: he won it, and you know, it's one of these things.

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00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: Dan where where. Look, we could go, you know, down

447
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole on amateurism, but it would be like

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00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: me asking all of all of you guys, did you

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Speaker 1: ever did you ever drink before you were of age

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Speaker 1: of legal age? I can only speak for myself, and

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Speaker 1: the answer was obviously no. Well, well, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm going I asked the question almost rhetorically, but that's

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Speaker 1: what amateurism is. It's, you know, you're asking, did these

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Speaker 1: players ever take anything before they got to college or

455
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: while they're in college? And the truth is almost every

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Speaker 1: good player did, and they're differing levels of it. But

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Speaker 1: but you know, the idea that somehow Reggie Bush was

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Speaker 1: taken out and made to be this kind of example

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Speaker 1: and shamed, and then I find disassociation to be horribly

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Speaker 1: cruel and hardly a useful sanction at all. I think

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Speaker 1: it's an awful thing to do to an athlete that

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Speaker 1: they you know, hey, when we're talking about paying players,

463
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: they say, well, they're just kids. And then and then

464
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Speaker 1: you know, when when it's disassociation, they're adults that knew

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Speaker 1: what they were doing. And I just think the whole

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Speaker 1: thing's awful. Okay, but can we make parallels are there

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Speaker 1: the beginning signs of a parallel with Zion Williamson that

468
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Speaker 1: Reggie Bush didn't pay this back to this marketing team

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Speaker 1: and then they went public with this with Zion Williamson.

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Speaker 1: You got an agent or marketing firm here and they

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Speaker 1: feel snubbed here. Do you see any parallels? Of course

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Speaker 1: there are parallels. I mean, it's it's sort of the same,

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Speaker 1: uh same kind of looking issue. Now, this one's being

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Speaker 1: played out in court, and there's a statute in North

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Speaker 1: Carolina called the Uniform Athletes Agent Act that is at issue.

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Speaker 1: And so the marketing agent is trying to claim that

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Speaker 1: by virtue of maybe taking something, whether allegedly Zion Williamson

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Speaker 1: was exempt from that, and that the contract is valid.

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Speaker 1: And then Williamson's lawyers and Williamson are arguing that no,

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Speaker 1: I was playing, therefore I was, I was eligible, and

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Speaker 1: the contract is void. I mean, so's it's all going

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Speaker 1: to turn on whether the contract was was considered legit

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Speaker 1: or not underneath this under this uh u AAA in

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. I know you went to do and assistant

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Speaker 1: coach there. Would you be surprised if this story was true?

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Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if any story was true

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Speaker 1: about an athlete taking taking money or an athlete's family

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00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: taking money without the athlete knowing about it, I would

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Speaker 1: not be surprised in any regard. And that's that's true

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Speaker 1: of whether it was it's Zion Williamson or you name

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Speaker 1: any other player. I would not be surprised at all.

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Speaker 1: Because there's an underground black market in college sports, and

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Speaker 1: there has been forever, Dan, I mean, we've talked about

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Speaker 1: this before. This has been going on for fifty sixty,

495
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Speaker 1: seventy years or longer, and the delivery methods have changed.

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Speaker 1: It used to be boosters, you know. Now it's more

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Speaker 1: shoe companies, agents and the like. But the nc DOABA

498
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: has been running around with mall cops all this time,

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Speaker 1: trying to stop it and then claiming if they don't

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Speaker 1: find it, that it doesn't exist. And so when something

501
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: like this does come up, then they shame whomever it

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00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: is and act like, look look what we just did,

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Speaker 1: and it's not going on anywhere else. When they know

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00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: what's happening, they absolutely know what's happening, and so I

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00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: don't know the right It's almost like like you feel

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00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: like you're you're condoning you know, like doping and cycling,

507
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: because everybody's doing it. I'm not. I'm just saying that

508
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: that that look, the idea that this is this is rare.

509
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: It's not. And what winds up happening is fan bases.

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00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: If it's their player, they will defend them to the

511
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: hilt and overlook any any damning evidence. If it's their

512
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: rival or someone else, then they look at any sliver

513
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: of something incriminating. They say, see, I told you our

514
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: rivals were cheaters. And it's really incredible how this system works,

515
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: and it's been allowed to go on forever and ever

516
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: when it should be just opened up and let the players,

517
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Speaker 1: let the players earn or accept whatever they can in

518
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: the marketplace just like everybody else. Let's bring it above

519
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: board and have it be normal business, pay taxes. Everything's great,

520
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not that big of a deal. Everybody

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00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: knows what's going on. How do you think this ends up? This?

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Speaker 1: Does this case go to trial? No? I think it.

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately it's going to be dismissed because the

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Speaker 1: way the statute reads, and who knows how how a

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Speaker 1: court is going to interpret it. Finally, but the way

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Speaker 1: the statute reads if you play, if you are eligible

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Speaker 1: to play, or if you could be eligible to play

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Speaker 1: in the future. Uh, that means that you're part of

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Speaker 1: this act and protected. And Zion Williamson played and so

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00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, the the the marketing agent is trying to say, no,

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Speaker 1: he was really ineligible. So so the contract is valid

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Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't think the court is going

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00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: to see it that way. But but if if it

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00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: winds up getting dismissed on those grounds on summary judgment,

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00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: then Williamson will never have to testify and never have

536
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Speaker 1: to cooperate, never have to talk to to the NC

537
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: double A, and it'll it'll go away in that regard. Um,

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00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: That's what I think is going to happen, or it

539
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: could settle. It's just a lot of money at issue

540
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: for a settlement. Do you think damage done though? In

541
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: some ways with Duke that you know, nobody has been

542
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: found guilty here, but just the story that came out,

543
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: the information that came out that he you know, his

544
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: parents got the benefit of a better house, they had

545
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: three luxury cars there. So just the I know we

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00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: use the word optics, but just this view of this

547
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: feels like Duke is like everybody else. Well in regard

548
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: to you have no idea, like the schools can't control

549
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: what happens with the players. Duke is just like everybody else.

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00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't you know, nobody nobody's arguing that Duke had

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00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: any knowledge and or involvement in this. Uh. Similarly, I

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00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't argue that some of these other schools that have

553
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: ineligible players that they were involved in that. But nobody,

554
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: no coach, no school can claim that they know exactly

555
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: what their players are doing all the time. But I

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Speaker 1: would tell you this. I'll tell you where this is

557
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: going to be really interesting. Is Kansas right now is

558
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: in front of the the nc double A is going

559
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: to go to this independent panel rather than the Committee

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00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: on Infractions. That's sort of in the weeds on the

561
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: instable a judicial system. But Zion Williamson's names involved in

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Speaker 1: that that there are text messages that have to do

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00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: with Williamson and Adidas, and the NCAA is trying to

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00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: say that Adidas was a booster for Kansas, and so

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00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: the implication is, all right, if Adidas was trying to

566
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Speaker 1: get involved to provide money to Williamson's family, then so

567
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: we think that other shoe companies wouldn't be involved in

568
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: that that Adidas was just fitting against themselves. So the

569
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Speaker 1: NTABA is going to have themselves an issue when people

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Speaker 1: are going to go, well, wait a minute, why did

571
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Speaker 1: you why aren't you looking into that? Or why is

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00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: it just here? And of course they'll have no they'll

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Speaker 1: be able to say, well, we had we had court

574
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Speaker 1: documents of this other one, we don't in this. Um.

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00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of questions and sort of

576
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Speaker 1: the mall cop theory, like the NCAA really has no

577
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: ability to police this and and but yet when they

578
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: put themselves into a case, um, you know, they make

579
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: themselves look bad in a lot of different ways. He's

580
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: j Bill as ESPN's college basketball analyst. Put your lawyer

581
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: hat on the Confederate flag controversy here with NASCAR and

582
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: First Amendment rights. If you want to bring in a

583
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: Confederate flag, you know, private property, but protected speech. How

584
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: does that factor into these races? Do you think as

585
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: we move on, well, you're not allowed. You know, the

586
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: First Amendment protects you from government intrusion, so the government

587
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: can't sanction you or have a prior restraint on you.

588
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: But that doesn't as you, as you said, it doesn't

589
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: go to sort of private conduct. So so NASCAR can

590
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: say what canning cannot come in to their their venues,

591
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: so that that's not a problem on First Amendment grounds.

592
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know why this is a controversy, but

593
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: it almost goes to kind of the Kaepernick Drew Brees

594
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: um uh comparison. You know that there are people on

595
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: different sides of the political spectrum that will say, look

596
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: at what's happening to Drew Brees. The mob is coming

597
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: after him, and he was forced to apologize. Well, he

598
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: was not forced to apologize. He got from one side

599
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: of the debate the same thing that Colin Kaepernick got

600
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: on the other side of the debate, and Kaepernick didn't apologize. Um,

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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: that's what free speech really is is if I say something,

602
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: you are free to counter it with with your free

603
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: speech right, and then you're free to say, hey, let's

604
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: not let's let's boycott. You can do all that stuff. Now,

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00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: there are limits to that. The NFL may have may

606
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: have violated certain certain rights that Kaepernick had arguably, but

607
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: as far as what the public does, uh, there's no

608
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: problem with that. And there is zero problem from a

609
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: First Amendment ground on what NASCAR. NASCAR is doing and

610
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: the only problem that is a caame decades too late.

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00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: I know you had some comments about Dabo Sweeney and

612
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: the stand or lack of a stand that he took

613
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: with this issue. Did you want to talk about that.

614
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the stand. It was it was that

615
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: fourteen minute statement he had, and it was it was

616
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: not about like, Dabo Sweeney's a great guy, nobody's nobody's

617
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: arguing about his pure heart. He's a great guy with

618
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: a pure heart. It was just sort of coaches talk

619
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: all the time about accountability and they talk about taking

620
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: responsibility and and don't make excuses and all that, and

621
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Speaker 1: I felt that he made a lot of excuses in

622
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: that and there was no accountability to it. Let just

623
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Speaker 1: take the T shirt thing, the Football Matters T shirt,

624
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: all right. I understand that that Football Matters T shirt

625
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: was from the National Football Foundation, that they started that

626
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: campaign in twenty fourteen after the Black Lives Matter movement started,

627
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: But to wear it now is insensitive and showed a

628
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: lack of judgment in that. But he didn't say that.

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Speaker 1: He said, anybody that suspersions on me for this is

630
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: attacking my character, and that's really sad. All the all

631
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that that the accountability issue and sort

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00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: of the no excuses issue would be, you know what,

633
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: I should have been more aware of that, I should

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00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: not have worn that shirt, and I regret doing it,

635
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. It's not that. That's that's all. That's

636
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: all I was saying, and that's all I continue to say.

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Speaker 1: I stand by it. That would have been easy to

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Speaker 1: deal with, but instead yet a fourteen minute sort of rambling.

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Speaker 1: My program is being attacked, my characters being attacked, and

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Speaker 1: nobody was attacking his character. They were questioning his judgment

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Speaker 1: in these issues. And same thing with the handling in

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Speaker 1: of the slur um. It would have been it would

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Speaker 1: have been so hard to say, Uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: may not have handled that as well as it should

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Speaker 1: have been handled. Maybe with the whole team. Maybe there

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Speaker 1: should have been disciplined. Uh. And I acknowledge that, and

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Speaker 1: I acknowledged that it was hurtful to to at least

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Speaker 1: That wasn't reported by some enterprising young reporter. It was

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Speaker 1: a former player that brought that out, a young man

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Speaker 1: named Kenyon Tuttle, whose father, Perry Tuttle, was a you

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Speaker 1: know it has been a Clemson hero on their eighty

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Speaker 1: one championship team. So that whole thing was I thought

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Speaker 1: the fourteen minutes was. There were some really good parts

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Speaker 1: of it, but that was my only point was I

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Speaker 1: thought it fell short on that level. It's great to

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Speaker 1: talk to, is always Jay. We appreciate your time. You

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Speaker 1: can now take off your suit and tie. These are

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Speaker 1: my pajamas. I wear them all day during the coronavirus pandemic,

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Speaker 1: and I love it. Even when you work out, you

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Speaker 1: wear that. You're incredible. I don't work out. Why Why

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Speaker 1: would I do that? That's obvious, Jay billis she has

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Speaker 1: basketball ana. We'll take a break play of the day

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Speaker 1: and where Reggie Bush's heisman is after this. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to

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Speaker 1: stream us live every day at YouTube dot com. Slash

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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show. We tease that we will tell

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Speaker 1: you where Reggie Bush's heisman is. And I was correcting

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Speaker 1: Jay billis if you go to the Heisman page, then

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Speaker 1: the list there two thousand and five is vacated. There

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Speaker 1: is no winner there, and he was stripped. They didn't

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Speaker 1: give it to Vin's young Reggie Bush had his heisman

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Speaker 1: stripped and the Heisman Committee sent a prepaid shipping box

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Speaker 1: for him to send his heisman back because it was

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Speaker 1: in San Diego. And I think USC sent their heisman back.

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Speaker 1: You know, the school gets one, the individual gets won,

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Speaker 1: and the school sent their Reggie Bush heisman back to

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Speaker 1: the Heisman Trust. Paulie I was told that Reggie Bush's

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Speaker 1: heisman just went back into circulation for somebody may have

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Speaker 1: Reggie Bush's heisman. They just took his plaque off of

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Speaker 1: it and put a new one on it. So the backstory,

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Speaker 1: if you want the full backstory. September two thousand and ten,

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Speaker 1: Reggie Bush, by the NSA was declared in an eligible

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Speaker 1: athlete for the two thousand and five season. USC was

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Speaker 1: stripped to the everything for the two thousand and five season.

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Speaker 1: The Heisman Trust, which runs the Heisman Trophy award in

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Speaker 1: September two thousand and ten said as a result of

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Speaker 1: Reggie Bush's decision to forfeit the title, we're forfeiting the

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Speaker 1: title of Reggie Bush as the Heisman winner. The trustees

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Speaker 1: had determined there will be no Heisman winner oh five.

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Speaker 1: The Heisman Trust expected Reggie Bush to send the Heisman

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Speaker 1: trophy back USC and Pat Hayden, the athletic director at

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Speaker 1: the time, they sent their version of because there's two

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Speaker 1: every year, the school gets one and the athlete gets one.

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Speaker 1: They sent it back four months later December, four months

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Speaker 1: after Reggie Bush was stripped to the Heisman title, they

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Speaker 1: still hadn't received the trophy and they were trying to

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Speaker 1: get ahold of Reggie Bush, and they went through his agent.

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Speaker 1: The agent kept saying it'll be there, it'll be there.

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Speaker 1: As of July the next summer, Reggie Bush had still

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Speaker 1: not sent the Heisman trophy back to the Heisman Trust

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Speaker 1: and it came out that he hadn't. Reggie Bush's family

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Speaker 1: store Air quotes the Heisman trophy at the San Diego

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Speaker 1: Halla Champions Like US Little Sports History Museum in San Diego.

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Speaker 1: It was sitting under the desk of someone at the

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Speaker 1: San Diego Halla Champions for months on end and we

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Speaker 1: found out it was there, and then the Heisman Trust

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Speaker 1: said we have to have this back. It's you've you've

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Speaker 1: vacated it. Eventually, Reggie Bush about ten months later, did

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Speaker 1: send the Heisman Trophy back to the Heisman Trust. At

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Speaker 1: the time the Heisman Trust got the trophy back, the

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Speaker 1: person there, who I can't give his name, told me,

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Speaker 1: I asked that to go, So what is it gonna

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Speaker 1: be just You're gonna put it in storage? And this

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Speaker 1: person told me, no, we don't have hundreds of Heisman's here.

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Speaker 1: They're an expensive product, costs a lot of money. It

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Speaker 1: will likely go back in the rotation and be used

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Speaker 1: in the future at a Heisman Trophy ceremony, either to

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Speaker 1: a school or to an athlete, or to ESPN to

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Speaker 1: use on their sets, but it won't just go in

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Speaker 1: a storage facility. There are multiple reports out there that

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Speaker 1: it did go to a storage facility with other Heisman

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Speaker 1: Trophy memorabilia that they have in downtown Manhattan, so mixed reports.

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Speaker 1: I was told that would be going back in the

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Speaker 1: rotation at the time. Recently they've said that it's in

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Speaker 1: a storage facility that the the Heisman Trust has in Lower Manhattan. Well,

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Speaker 1: can we check and see we did? And I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard back, because that would be a cooler story if

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Speaker 1: somebody has Reggie Bush's heisman, they just put a different

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Speaker 1: name on, which is what I was told at the time,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know how much those cost. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking of this like, hey, anybody has a heisman,

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Speaker 1: We actually have one, we have cars. Carson Palmer's heisman

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Speaker 1: is here that he sent to us. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know what those costs to make, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: guess a pretty penny. I'm curious what the audience think.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with Reggie Bush getting his heisman back because

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Speaker 1: I know they they they penalized USC. They were way

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Speaker 1: over aggressive in how they penalized us, unfairly penalized USC.

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Speaker 1: He did, he did win that heisman. He has declared

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Speaker 1: an nca history ineligible player. I'm not an advocating out

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Speaker 1: the side, but he has declared an ineligible player. It's

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Speaker 1: just I know what I saw, and he won the heisman.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think the Heisman Trust is going

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Speaker 1: to give it back to him. You know, USC may

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Speaker 1: welcome him back and retire his jersey. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Heisman trust. Does anybody think Reggie Bush deserves the

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy? Oh? Everybody but Pauline, you do deserves Well.

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Speaker 1: It's tough because I'm there is a rule in place

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Speaker 1: that he chose not to follow. See why do you

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Speaker 1: think Reggie Bush deserves it? Well? For everything that he said.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we watched the games, he won the trophy. McLevin.

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Speaker 1: The rules he broke were stupid. It doesn't mean anything

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Speaker 1: to me, just like Jay Bill has kind of said, Fritzie, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't love the rules. And he earned

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Speaker 1: it and he should he should have his heisman. So

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Speaker 1: then we can't be mad at Zion Williamson or Duke

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Speaker 1: for breaking the rules, so we can't rail against them. Well,

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Speaker 1: a Duke fan might be mad if they get stripped

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Speaker 1: of something or get on probation. One more item, as

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Speaker 1: we close out the first hour, tregg or biggest sale

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