1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 2: Everybody. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 3: Welcome to you almost famous the Ogs. She's trust us, 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 3: Sutter nay Ren. 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: You pointed to Amanda on my screen. 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 3: Yes, welcome to the show everybody. Now, as we have 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: been doing for quite some time now, just bringing you 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: a plus content every damn day that we do this. 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: And here we are again. 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 3: I am with literally the two ogs of the Ogs 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: that we've ever had on the show. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: I don't think it gets any. 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: More, not less Alex was here. 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: Exactly unless we had Alex Michelle, which that's never happened. 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: And that guy doesn't He's like the groundhog on Groundhog Day. 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 3: We only see him like once a year. 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 4: You don't even see him that much, see that much. 18 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: No, we don't see him that much. 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: But I am with the two finalists from the very 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: first season that The Bachelor was ever on the air. Now, 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: I know it seems like a lot longer ago, but 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 3: it was only what it was a two thousand and two, 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: two thousand and one. 24 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: What year was that that the season air? 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: Two thousand and two, Yeah, two thousand and two, which 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 4: was a one time ago, kidding, it. 27 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 3: Was oddly enough, we did like sixteen shows that season 28 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 3: because I was also I was also the Bachelor, so 29 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 3: I did twist this season the Bachelor at that year, 30 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 3: and then two thousand and three, I was the fourth 31 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: Bachelor already, so I mean we were just packing it in. 32 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: Crazy. 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 3: We have Amanda Caldwell, who at the time was known, 34 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 3: of course as Amanda marsh and Amanda you were the 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: winner of the first season of the Bachelor with Alex Michelle. 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, and thank you for joining us. 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: I know, what's exciting to see you both. 38 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so exciting. It's crazy. 39 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: How do you feel about being called a winner? I laughed. 40 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 5: It reminds me of like, you know, when Charlie Sheen 41 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 5: said he was winning winning, don't we I mean, first 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 5: of all, what I want a man? And then I know, yeah, 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 5: definitely not a quality relationship either, and so. 44 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: Who knew? Yeah? 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: How long how long did you guys stay together? Actually, like, 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: how long were you after. 47 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 4: The final To be honest, about a year? 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, anticipated. 49 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: It is Yeah, considering long distance and everything. Yeah, I 50 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 5: gave it a good go for about a year. No, 51 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 5: you know, we would keep in touch until maybe ten 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 5: years ago. Just kind of happy birthday emails? How are 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 5: you kind of you know, we were all in this 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 5: weird situation together, right, and as you get to know 55 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 5: someone and you realize, oh, some of us maybe weren't 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 5: as authentic as others during filming or now we're in 57 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 5: the real world, what are you really like? Yeah, but 58 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 5: there were I mean, no hard feelings. So there's just 59 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 5: this weird connection. I think all of us have, having 60 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 5: gone through this situation and so and then over time 61 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 5: it was just you know, what's there left to say? 62 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 5: And you kind of move on, and in a sense 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 5: it was a relationship, and so out of respect for 64 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 5: new relationships, you just. 65 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 4: Things. 66 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you almost you almost kind of have to. 67 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you know. 68 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: On the other hand, you know, my ex girlfriend Trista 69 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: has been a part of my life ever since. 70 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: Toak it along. 71 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and her poor husband, who was my roommate on 72 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: the shell, he has to deal with. 73 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: Me like, okay, buddy, what's going on? 74 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: Man? 75 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: I like that little puppy dog that just won't leave a. 76 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Long Yeah, deal with us, because you're not easy to 77 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: deal with. 78 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: That's rights acquired taste. I always say that about my wife. 79 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: I always go you know, she's an acquired taste. If 80 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: you don't like her, acquire some taste. 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 82 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 5: Well, I didn't watch all of Trista's season, but I 83 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 5: was curious, and I think Trista did a wonderful job. 84 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 5: I think, thank you, there was a lot of for me. 85 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 5: I think nerves are like, okay, how is a woman 86 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 5: gonna be presented represented in this situation? But I do 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 5: remember you, Bob. 88 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 4: You were hilarious. 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was so adorable and charming. So I think 90 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 5: that's awesome that you know you had your shot at 91 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 5: being a Bachelor as well. 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, I got I got lucky. 93 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: You know, they Trista made sure they edited me nicely, 94 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, I got lucky. 95 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: There were. 96 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: She's like, listen, I want you to read you that. 97 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: I want you read those, you know, two episodes he 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: made an appearance on Or However, was just kidding it. 99 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: So okay, Amanda, So you you go on the show. 100 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: First of all, I mean, this was such new news 101 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: back then. Right now, it's like it's in the Zeitgeace. 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: Everybody knows what the Bachelor is now, but back then, 103 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: no one knew what it was. How did you find 104 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: out about it. How did you end up on the show? 105 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: You know, and and all that good stuff. 106 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 5: Well, perfect timing maybe is how you can look at it. 107 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 5: I literally had the month before quit a job and 108 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 5: was unemployed, and my former sister in law, who was 109 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 5: one of my good friends, was living in California and 110 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 5: she was moving back to Kansas City to get married. 111 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 5: So I flew out to California, first time I had 112 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 5: ever been there. She picks me up from the airport 113 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 5: and we went to the promenade for lunch. And I'll 114 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 5: never forget because it's kind of embarrassing reflecting. I mean, 115 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 5: as you probably saw on the show, I wore a 116 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 5: lot of turtlenecks and I had one on and I 117 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 5: remember all that. 118 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: It was a thing. 119 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: It was a thing. 120 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 5: It was early two thousands, for sure. But we were 121 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 5: having lunch and one of the producers came over to 122 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 5: our table and asked if we were single. And my 123 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 5: friend was engaged, but I was like, man, I'm single. 124 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 5: I got nothing going on. I had just moved into 125 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 5: one of my brother's houses with his family, so I 126 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 5: feeling really low. So I thought, well, okay, let's look 127 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 5: into this. But you know, being approached Hey, how about 128 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 5: this dating show? I thought, no, I mean, you're going 129 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 5: to fill me in a basement something smarty. And so 130 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 5: my boy friend had an agent and he said, no, 131 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 5: this this is a real show for ABC. So the fact, 132 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 5: you know, looking for love. Yes, I was single, but 133 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 5: it was more I get a break from Kansas and 134 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 5: I got not done but time and. 135 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: An experience, right, a fun experience in la or whatever. 136 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 137 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: Now I know I know some of these answers of 138 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: Trista's experience, but of course I don't know them of yours. 139 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: So you get out of the limo, right, you don't 140 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: know who you're meeting, which was like my season was 141 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: so different because we knew we were meeting Trista. And 142 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: then when they made me the bachelor, the women knew 143 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: they were meeting me, right, So that so those were 144 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: both a little bit different. But you guys weren't really. 145 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: I mean, you guys are really coming out of the cocoon. 146 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: Right, You're like, you know, there's a butterfly. Yeah, it's like, okay, 147 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: who's this character? 148 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: We're the whatever you are before. You're a butterfly like 149 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: a caterpillar. 150 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: Yes, we're a. 151 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: Baby care a caterpillar. 152 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: You're the guy. 153 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: So you get out of the limo, you look at 154 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: Alex Michelle. Are you like, oh my god, this is 155 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: my guy? Or do you look at him and you're 156 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: kind of like, well, here we go. I mean I 157 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: had less to do with him and more to do 158 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: with you in that moment, probably like what was your experience? 159 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: Like, oh wait, wait, I have a follow up to that. 160 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: Did they show you a picture? Because I know they 161 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: showed me a picture, like during cast? Did they show 162 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: you a picture of him? 163 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: They offered? 164 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 5: So during casting they said, you know, we have a 165 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 5: photo and his bio. But I didn't want to know anything. 166 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 5: I mean, to be honest, I didn't really care. I'm 167 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: just here to get out of Kansas. As much as 168 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 5: I love Kansas City, I'm like, this is this is 169 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 5: just fun and now labou like what could go wrong? 170 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 5: So no, I didn't want to know. I wanted to 171 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 5: just authentically go into it. I kind of figured I 172 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 5: probably wouldn't like whoever it was anyway, right, I mean, 173 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 5: what are the chances? 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 4: Some of us have good chances, thank god, But so no, 175 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: And so. 176 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 5: Then when we got out of the limo, I mean 177 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 5: we were in there for hours, consuming a lot of champagne, 178 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 5: So I think anyone could look good at that point. 179 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 5: But there was not fireworks right at first. I mean, 180 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 5: all dark hair. I kind of thought, oh, but now 181 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 5: it took some time getting to know a little bit 182 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 5: more of his personality, so. 183 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then once you did. 184 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: I mean, did you genuinely start feeling like you were 185 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: falling in love with them? 186 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 4: So that's a good question. 187 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 5: And in the moment, I do think psychologically you get 188 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 5: wrapped up in this situation. I mean, I'm sure it 189 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 5: was all similar for our seasons where you're limited no 190 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 5: cell phone, no TV like, no magazines. All you have 191 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 5: is to talk about this main character. Yeah, and you're 192 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 5: being interviewed all day. And at least my season got 193 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 5: a lot of booze, which at twenty three I was 194 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 5: down for. So you know, over time, yes, you kind 195 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 5: of feel like, or at least I did, like he 196 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 5: is the last man on earth, so it's not so 197 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 5: much like I have to win, but you just become 198 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: a little bit more hungry for him. And yeah, and 199 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 5: I just think he was funny. I mean, there were moments, 200 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: you know, before our relationship carried on at least during 201 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 5: filming the limited exposure. Yeah, I thought we had some chemistry. 202 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, obviously I would hope that you wouldn't have 203 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: chemistry if you end up with you know, end up 204 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: with the person at the end of the show, you know, 205 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: like you have to have some chemistry. 206 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: It was such an experiment though at that point, right 207 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 3: because the producers. 208 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: Didn't really even know what they were doing. 209 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: I mean, they were still figuring it out when I 210 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: was the Bachelor, so I can only imagine at that 211 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: point of the process what they were, you know, how 212 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: they were dealing with things. I mean, you know, this 213 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 3: is just gonna you know, so we want them to 214 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: cry here, and I remember back then so much drama. 215 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: They were minding the drama hard, you know, like just 216 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: trying to get us to you know, cry or whatever. 217 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: And the booze didn't hurt, you know. 218 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 3: Unfortunately with the guys that when Tristan was the Bachelorette, 219 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 3: you know, we we got along so great, and the 220 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: boos just get along even better. So I think we 221 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 3: were we almost went in the wrong direction. I almost 222 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: got kicked off the show behind the scenes because I 223 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 3: was having just too much fun. I mean, I remember 224 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: Face pulls me out of that time. He's like, you're 225 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: ruining Michelle. Relax, you guys don't have to be friends. 226 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: It like, I love these guys and I love her. 227 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: If this is just awesome. 228 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: I was just so happy to be there. Yeah, I 229 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: mean it was so great. 230 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 5: I mean, I am so thankful. I really don't keep 231 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 5: up with the show, but I am so thankful. I 232 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 5: know for our season, we all got along bonded. I 233 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 5: mean I laugh and often tell people who ask. I 234 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 5: mean I remember rooming with Shannon and helping each other 235 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 5: pick out. 236 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 4: Out but like the things, you know, doing care. 237 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's such a great girl too. You guys, you 238 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: guys did have such great women on your season. 239 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did wonderful. 240 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 241 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: We were definitely like just trying to figure it out 242 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: and just kind of go with the flow and do 243 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: whatever because we had no guy. 244 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 5: We had no idea God, but you no idea what 245 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 5: was happening, nothing to you know, uh model or shape 246 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 5: this after or protect ourselves from and that matter. 247 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 4: I think it was really genuine. Yes, we were. 248 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 5: Kind of led with questioning and good old editing, but 249 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: you know, trying to create some drama. I remember they 250 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 5: you know, went to my hometown, which I had not 251 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 5: lived in for you know, ten years, or not ten years. 252 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 5: I guess it would have been like five years. But 253 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 5: they wanted to take Alex to my dad's grave side, 254 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: and oh thank god, I was like able to just 255 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 5: say no and not you know, be forced upon that. 256 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, you, I can get that drama. Yeah, you know, even. 257 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: When I will tell you that they didn't lose that 258 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: bag of tricks because even when I was the I'll 259 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: never forget going to Meredith's hometown and they they pull 260 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: in and we went to her grandma's gravesite, and I'm 261 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: I'm miked, I'm like, what are we doing? 262 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: I don't I shouldn't be here. This is where I'm there, 263 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: you know, like this is. 264 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it was like, you know that that 265 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: was a that was a good one. They went back 266 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: to the bag on with me. But I was actually, 267 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: you know, in retrospect now, I'm thankful that I you know, 268 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: if I if I had to have a genuine moment 269 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: with someone, that was one, you know, because because it 270 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: was you know, she it was. 271 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: Very fresh for her. 272 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: It happened during our season, so but man, it was 273 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: it was one of those moments where I'm like, I'm 274 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: not I don't. 275 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: Think this is the right thing to do. It's a 276 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 2: TV show, you know. Yeah? 277 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel like like nowadays, I feel like 278 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about how like they're edit 279 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: and especially with AI and stuff, I feel like there's 280 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: a lot of talk about how they can actually make 281 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: you say something that you never said. And I've always 282 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: been like of the thought process that you they can't 283 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: make you say something that you didn't say, But it 284 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: seems like because of AI they can possibly do that now. 285 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know the technology. I am not 286 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: a producer. I haven't been on the show in forever. 287 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: But was there ever a moment that you felt like 288 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: your words were twisted or you know that you said 289 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: something but because you know it's all in context too, 290 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: that you know you say something and it's taken out 291 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: of context. Was there ever a moment like that for 292 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: you that you remember. I mean, it was a long 293 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: time ago. I know, I was going to say that 294 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: it was a lot. I don't remember tomorrow or yesterday. 295 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember tomorrow, but yeah, I do remember this 296 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: overall sense when watching the show kind of heartbroken and 297 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: let down. But it's really being nive that so much 298 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,119 Speaker 1: was you know, either out of context or the timeframe. 299 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: So for example, I mean I remember the Rose ceremonies. 300 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: You hand them out, Okay, give them back everyone, get 301 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: back to your places. Retake, retake, and so a lot 302 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: of those facial expressions, you know, those looks or stairs 303 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: were not even targeted at that moment. It was just 304 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: really calculated with their editing. There were some moments where 305 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: I would share something and not realize, oh, this is 306 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: going to be aired. In particular, when we were in 307 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: the hotel room before the even first Rose ceremony, there 308 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: was discussion and you know, I was the sex pot. 309 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: Anything I said, that's all they wanted to air, is 310 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: all I am? 311 00:15:58,760 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: The sex sex sex. 312 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, like great, of course, and then you know the 313 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 5: fact that I was busted. He just puts it all 314 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 5: together for them. 315 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 4: So you know that was a little old and annoying. Yeah, 316 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: but I did say what I said, so. 317 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 5: Like yeah, yeah, right, I mean I am who I am. 318 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 5: I said what I said, And I'll always tell everyone, 319 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 5: you know, be careful. 320 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 4: What you say. It will be used against you. 321 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, and ever and ever. 322 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: Did they ever did you guys ever feel like the 323 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: two of you, did you ever feel like you were 324 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 3: being pitted against one another kind of like you know, 325 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: because I I know that that was a game they 326 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: tried to do from a production perspective as well, right, 327 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: they they always wanted it to steer one way and 328 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: then go the other way? Was that I mean, was 329 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: that ever something where you felt like you you might 330 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: have gone like don a rabbit hole you didn't want 331 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: to go, and you know, I mean I could imagine 332 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: it was. It was a ratings juggernaut for for them, 333 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: so they probably really wanted to play that up. 334 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: You know, I don't remember ever being pitted, you know, I. 335 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: Feel like they were. 336 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: I feel like they were legitimately there just in the background. 337 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: Was my like kind of take on what I remember 338 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: from the first season is just they were there. Obviously 339 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: when you go into your itms, they're asking you questions 340 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. But at that point in time, 341 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: I don't know that it was as like cutthroat, if 342 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: you will, as it is now where they really figure 343 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: out like something that drives everyone crazy and they just 344 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: like keep digging and digging and digging do you know 345 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: what I mean? But I don't feel like there was 346 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: We really truly got along, all of us really well. 347 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: I felt like and until they like separate you and 348 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: you go into your I think it was hometowns or 349 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: like right before hometowns that you go to your Like 350 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: each of us had a separate hotel that we stayed at. 351 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: We weren't even at the same hotel. I don't know, 352 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: oh for you, yeah, but we were at different house. 353 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think they pitted 354 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 5: us against each other, which is what I think was 355 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 5: so beautiful about it, because I mean I grew up 356 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 5: with three older brothers, so going in and I didn't 357 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 5: even stay in the sorority, like it was too much 358 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 5: for me. So going into this was just a whole 359 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 5: bunch of women, I thought, oh my god, But I 360 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 5: really liked everyone. No, I don't think Tristan and I 361 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 5: got to know each other really well, but I kind 362 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 5: of had, you know, kind of groups. I felt like 363 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 5: we were always with. But there was never any bad feelings. 364 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 5: I never thought of either one of us as like 365 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 5: competition or a threat. I mean, you like who you like, 366 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 5: you know. Afterwards, I think it people want that they 367 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 5: want that competition and to pick sides, which fine. But 368 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 5: I love that we all kind of looked after each 369 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 5: other because I remember Trista after the show, a few 370 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 5: of us would talk to each other, like if we 371 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 5: had interviews and there were people claiming to know me, 372 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 5: and you know, you check in with each other, and 373 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 5: I you know, I just appreciated that you know so much, 374 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 5: that we all had that bond and one of the 375 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 5: best for each other. 376 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's awesome. Do you, Amanda, do you 377 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: know like what happened after uh, like after the rose ceremony? 378 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: For me, do you know what happened? Like have you 379 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: heard the stories? 380 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: No? 381 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 4: I mean and. 382 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 5: Based on like I was a part of, and I'm like, oh, 383 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 5: it's told me. And then I remember when we watched 384 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 5: if it was on if they aired this, or when 385 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 5: I worked at a radio station. The program director thought 386 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 5: it was funny and gave me the DVD for Christmas. 387 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: And I watched once. 388 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 5: I I can't remember. It was like an added ending 389 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 5: where he called you at the end. 390 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: Of right, That's what I was asking about. So at 391 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: the end, at the end of the rose ceremony, well, 392 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: like maybe it was that night I was talking to 393 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: Levinson and I'm like, this is just weird. Like if 394 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: you break up with somebody, you usually have the ability 395 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: to like get closure and actually know why and like 396 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: have an extended conversation. And I was the first to 397 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: really get down to the end and be like I 398 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: fully expected him to propose to me because he had 399 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: told me that two nights ago. I point blank asked him, 400 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: who would you choose if you had to choose now? 401 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: And clearly he was gonna say me because he was 402 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: totally being put on the spot by me. Yes, but 403 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: I I point blake asked him, who are you gonna? 404 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: Are you gonna get engaged in? 405 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 4: Who? 406 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: Who would you ask right now? This is two days before? 407 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: And he's like you. So I fully went into the 408 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: Rose ceremony thinking I was getting engaged and then and 409 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: then he says, you know, it's not you, And I 410 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: was like, I walked away and I was like in 411 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: the limo saying, oh, I'm I'm sad, but I'll be fine, 412 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's okay, I'm just sad. And 413 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: and then I talked to Levinson later that night and 414 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: I was like, this is just weird, like I don't 415 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: get to talk to him about why, like why did 416 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: you change his mind? And it's not me? And I 417 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: fully expected to get engaged and why am I not 418 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: engaged and what like why just the big why you know? Closure? 419 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: And she was I was like, is there any way 420 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: I can talk to him because I just want to know, 421 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: like just tell them please. If Amanda's your girl, then great, 422 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: and you you made that up and you told me 423 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: that you were going to pick me awesome. I wish 424 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: you guys all the best, but just tell me what 425 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: the hell happened, like what was going on? And so 426 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: she was like, let me, let me call around and 427 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: see if there's something we can do. So they got 428 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: us on the phone, and during the phone call, he 429 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: told me he thought he made a mistake and then 430 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: he wanted to come over to my hotel room and 431 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: they were like, Nope, not happening. And at that point too, 432 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't know if we should 433 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: go that far. I just wanted to know what happened. 434 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that now that 435 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: you've chosen somebody else that I really want to do stuff, 436 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: but it or move forward with like stuff, but but 437 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to know. Anyway, they they 438 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: put that kobash on that real quick because they were like, 439 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: we don't want to have to go back and film, right, 440 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: So anyway, I just didn't know if you knew that 441 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: that phone call and that statement literally he said, I 442 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: think I may have made a mistake to me, which 443 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: is why afterwards I go home and I'm like, crap, 444 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: Like this guy I told like, I liked this guy. 445 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't in love with him, but I liked him, 446 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: and I was like, he told me he made a mistake, 447 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: Like what do I do with that? 448 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? 449 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: Anyway, I. 450 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 5: Had a few theories about especially as I got to 451 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 5: know the type of person he was. Later, so one 452 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 5: I was asked when we were down to the final 453 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 5: three and then the final two, if I'd ever be 454 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 5: a bachelorette, and at that time, not knowing what that 455 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 5: could look like, I was a little terrified of how 456 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 5: that might appear back in those days, and with already 457 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 5: in my oversharing and already with my history of relationships, 458 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 5: I didn't want it to look like I take love lightly, 459 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 5: And so I instantly said no, like no way. I 460 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 5: could never see myself doing that, which again came off 461 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 5: beautiful and all of that, but just the unknown, you know, 462 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 5: freaked me out, and so from a protective standpoint, I 463 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 5: was like, no way. So then a part of me 464 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 5: wondered if they had asked you and if you were like, yes, 465 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 5: you know, whether you liked him or not, if that 466 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 5: was ever something you do, and so that kind of 467 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 5: help ass me until they didn't finale aired. Oh okay, 468 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 5: so I kind of wondered if that was in the air, 469 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 5: and then I mean, of course he's going to state 470 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 5: you because you did ask of course I was going 471 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 5: to have his ball cinched and. 472 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: Was like, oh yeah, I mean, but if he was 473 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: being honest, he could have been like, honestly, I don't know, yeah, 474 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: I got a wait and see. Two days is a 475 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: big amount of time in this like short little pressure 476 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: cooker that you're in. 477 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 4: He could have. 478 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: Totally said I I don't know, I like you both, 479 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: or you know. 480 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: I think he was very aware of anyone's feelings but 481 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 5: his own, which they learned throughout the year. But the 482 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 5: you know fact that if you watch the Vice documentary, 483 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 5: neither one of us were his first pick for many episodes, 484 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 5: although we got the first roses with influence. 485 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: I never knew that, you know. 486 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: Alex, I don't even know what you're talking about. What's 487 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: this vice document? 488 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, So all the producers that were on our show 489 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 5: that were really active, and you probably remember them if 490 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 5: you see it. Alex, we were not his top two 491 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 5: picks or maybe even in the top five. And he 492 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 5: really liked Kimberly and Kathy and so I do remember 493 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 5: Mike like the Blonde, and they kept kind of inserting 494 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 5: us and because we had backgrounds and personalities and they 495 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 5: wanted more airtime for us. So that was shocking a 496 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 5: little bit too. And I mean, I know there's a manipulation, 497 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 5: but in that moment, when you know we're twenty three, 498 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 5: nothing had ever been done like this. I really didn't 499 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 5: think there was so much manipulation, not having any Hollywood experience. 500 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 5: So even though I don't think Alex was very true 501 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 5: to anyone, you know, I feel good. 502 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: I'm sure you were. 503 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 5: You know, I was true to myself and my feelings, 504 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 5: and so at least I can sleep about that. But yeah, 505 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 5: I mean, do you remember the email that came out 506 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 5: that he and the company tried to shoot down that 507 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 5: he sent to friends saying, yeah, well Amanda is a 508 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 5: little bit. 509 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 4: Fatter than Trista, but he did not. 510 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 5: Yes, that came out like in the news, and he 511 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 5: was saying, no, I never had to have been hacked. 512 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 5: I never would have said something like that. Well, I 513 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 5: received from an anonymous source a whole bunch of emails 514 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 5: about him talking about high school girls, and they were 515 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 5: also very really damaging words, and so it just began 516 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: to grow that, oh my gosh, this is. 517 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: When you guys were together. Yeah, and that's when things 518 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: were ending. I mean, PROBABLYS want to say, you know, 519 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: it's because I found out you guys still talked or 520 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: slept together, which I mean, I do think you should 521 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: have shared that in a relationship. 522 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 4: He should have kind of disclosed a lot. 523 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: We were still talking, for sure. I mean, yeah, we 524 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: were writing. Just because of where I was coming from. 525 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I if I can write a letter, 526 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: and that was all we had at the time. You know, 527 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: we didn't exchange FO numbers. Yeah, so I would write 528 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: him a letter and most of them I didn't send. 529 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: And then I remember he sent one back and he's 530 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: like something about leaving a door open or something. And 531 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: at that point, I was kind of like I just 532 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: wanted closure, Like I just wanted to know that you're 533 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: good with Amanda. Like I don't need to move forward, 534 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: but I just in that moment, I just needed to 535 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: be able to like, you know, like absolutely know what 536 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: he what was going through his head when he told 537 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: me certain things. 538 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: I feel like, Amanda, you you have you done a 539 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: lot of therapy over the years, because you are so 540 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: well adjusted about all this kind of stuff, Like I mean, 541 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: you're just like you know, and it was just an 542 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: experience and I'm okay, I love it because I mean 543 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: I talked to some people who, you know, twenty years 544 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: ago and they're still they're still pissed off about you know, 545 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: someone cutting them off in the in the in the 546 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: grocery store parking. Yeah, you're just like, you know, I 547 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 3: started realizing who he was and I was okay with 548 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: leg Go. 549 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 5: I mean it was hard, you guys, I mean it 550 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 5: was hard. And yes, I mean right after the show finished, 551 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 5: we were totally dropped, like our relationship by support. We 552 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 5: were just ghosted, and really I did not know what 553 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 5: to do with myself, you know. I tried to live 554 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 5: in California. I couldn't figure out career wise what I 555 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 5: should do. I kind of felt like there was this 556 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 5: expectation since I had been on TV. I was really 557 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 5: turned off with Hollywood, having gone to some events and 558 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 5: meeting like Alex instantly jumped on that bat bandwagon, and 559 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 5: it just was not authentic. 560 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 4: What I was around. 561 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 5: And so when I got the job offer to be 562 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 5: a DJ at a radio station and be on the 563 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 5: morning show, I was like, absolutely no place like home. 564 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 5: Get me out of here. I had trouble, I, you know, 565 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 5: started having panic attacks. Alex would come visit and we'd 566 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 5: go to a mall and I remember the first one. 567 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 5: We were on our way to the movie and I 568 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 5: had to get in a corridor and I just was 569 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 5: blacking out, couldn't breathe didn't know what was happening, and 570 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 5: so panic attacks, depression. There was not a lot of 571 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 5: social media, but there was enough out there about we 572 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 5: have five eight. I had triple D breasts at the time, 573 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 5: and you know, a size four six, which isn't huge. 574 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 5: I still am not size, but I mean I was 575 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 5: body shamed, and so I got on antidepressants and I 576 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 5: did I had years of therapy you. 577 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: Know, I want to say something about that. 578 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I can actually, you know, relate a little 579 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 3: bit to that, because when I was on Tristas season, 580 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 3: you know, I was a little heavier than I'd been 581 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: previously in my life because I played sports and everything. 582 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: And I remember I was the funny fat guy everywhere 583 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: I went, and I was like, what. 584 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: The hell are you talking about? 585 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 3: You know, and so it was kind of it was 586 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: one of those things where I know that could be 587 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: really difficult. I went through it too, and so I 588 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: can only imagine how that had to feel as a 589 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: as a beautiful woman. You know, my I guess my 590 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: revenge in my head, not that I need revenge, but 591 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 3: everyone would always come up and go, oh my god, 592 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: you're not fat, and I'm like, yeah, thanks, So I'm 593 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: glad four people out in front of you know, pat 594 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: Son tell me that when you know, three million viewers 595 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 3: think I'm a pig. But it was like, I get 596 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: I get that that could be really hard, you know, 597 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 3: and so yeah, good. 598 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: Good for you. 599 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 4: You look so much better in person. 600 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I get that. I still get that one. Yeah, 601 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: I still get that one. 602 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 5: No, it was hard, but I you know, I think 603 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 5: there was a lot even behind that. I mean, losing 604 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 5: my dad at the age of twelve, I think, abandonment, 605 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 5: the whole bunch of development issues I had to deal with. 606 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 5: I had been bullied because I had some breast development 607 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 5: is shoes when I was growing up. I mean, there's 608 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 5: so much more to my past, like all of us, 609 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 5: that makes us so we are. And then I was 610 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 5: in this very vulnerable situation without really any safety net, 611 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 5: so how to find it, which I did, And then 612 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 5: you know, with my career, I mean that is my 613 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 5: ultimate goal. I work in healthcare and dermatology and to 614 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 5: get the trust of these patients who come in and 615 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 5: have to gawn up so I can scan their body 616 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 5: for skin cancer, make sure they're comfortable, help them love themselves. 617 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 5: I mean it's so rewarding. 618 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 3: Well good for you, I mean you definitely you can 619 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: tell you've I'd never have known you before, obviously, I 620 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 3: think I think we've had that once. 621 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: I think a long long time ago. But I was 622 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: I was going to say, you. 623 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 3: Know, it had to be so interesting because coming off 624 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 3: of that experience, I mean again, you were both groundbreaking 625 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 3: and everything you're doing as was Alex, and I think 626 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: you know, it's one of those things. It definitely made 627 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: the path for people who came after you that much easier, 628 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: but it didn't make it easier for you all going 629 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: through it, and so I can only imagine, you know, 630 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: I think, you know, good for you dealing with it 631 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: and taking it head on and turning it all into 632 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 3: a positive. 633 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 5: I mean, that's wonderful, you know, Tristan, I always laugh, 634 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 5: what did you think? Which this is a compliment because 635 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 5: I think it's a very flattering position to have had. 636 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 5: But with your degree and they listed you as a 637 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 5: Miami heat dancer versus having had you were. 638 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: Talking about how you were the sex spot. I'm like, 639 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: I was the dancer. That was me. 640 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: We were all one dimensional characters back then, you know. 641 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: I yeah, whatever, it was, what it was. I was like, yeah, 642 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: that's part of me. But I tried to talk about 643 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: being a physical therapist as much as possible and hope 644 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: that that was sick. 645 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: You know. 646 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't like we were, you know, creating websites or 647 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: having and Instagram you know, presence or whatever. So no, 648 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: it is interesting that they latch onto that kind of stuff. 649 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: But that's always I mean, it is in the end 650 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: it's a television show and they're trying to get people 651 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: to watch. And you know, even though I think it's 652 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: really cool to be smart and have other qualities of 653 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: all physicality. 654 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you can have brains and be hot. 655 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 3: You know, I think what a lot of people don't 656 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 3: realize is that's how I I originally captured Trista's heart 657 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 3: was I too was a dancer, and when I came 658 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 3: on the show, The Running Man, the Irish, both of 659 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 3: those moves, both of those moves, you know, really caught 660 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 3: her attention because of her dance background. So I mean 661 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 3: I could have come in, I could have come in 662 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 3: and like tried to do you know, some strengthening exercises 663 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 3: as a physical therapist, would also enjoy it. 664 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 2: But that I knew my way in, I knew it. 665 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 5: You were totally memorable, Darling. 666 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 3: Darling, you yeah, thank you, very very sweet, very sweet 667 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 3: to say that. 668 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 669 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much for being on the show 670 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 3: with us, and being a part of this. I mean, 671 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 3: you know, Tristan and I when we were first starting 672 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 3: this thing off, this is exactly what we wanted was 673 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 3: to have, you know, people who really were on it 674 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 3: in the very beginning who had these experiences and you know, 675 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: now it's a totally different beast, right, but back then 676 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 3: things were a little simpler, probably a little more complicated 677 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 3: in certain ways, I guess, just because of the fact 678 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 3: that we didn't know what we were getting into. But 679 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: it was such a pleasure having you on and thank 680 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: you for being a part of the show with us. 681 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. 682 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 4: I love getting to see you both. 683 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was so nice, and I think it also 684 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 5: was really hopeful, like with Trista, to be able to 685 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 5: talk and kind of have closure about that time in 686 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 5: our life as well. 687 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: So nice that we're all doing great. 688 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 2: It's right, we are. 689 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 4: We are. 690 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 3: Congratulations on your family and your marriage and everything else. 691 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: And thank you again so much for joining us, and 692 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 3: have a one wonderful rest of your day. 693 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 4: Thank I got You're welcome. Take care, bye bye, oh bye. 694 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: That was awesome. 695 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 3: I love that. And you know, it did seem like 696 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 3: you guys got a chance to kind of connect on 697 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 3: some things that may have been you know, sticking points 698 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 3: for a while, right, Yeah. 699 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean I wonder if you know, I mean, I 700 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: really don't ever think about Alex. I mean, it was 701 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: a long time ago and I have been happily married 702 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: for almost twenty years in a few months, so like, 703 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't think about them. But when her name popped 704 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: up as as coming on the podcast, I was like, oh, well, 705 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: I wonder how this is gonna go Like does she 706 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: feel like for some reason? I think I think I 707 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: read about how you know, she blamed me for their breakup, 708 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: and obviously she's happily married and you know, a mother, 709 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: and you know, she has a whole different life, so 710 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: I would think that, you know, it wouldn't. Oh, she 711 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: just texted me big hugs to you and Bob oh awesome, 712 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: So I you know, I was I was like, oh gosh, like, 713 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: how is this going to go down? Is she gonna 714 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, does she still like think that? 715 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 4: So? 716 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 3: I think she was probably saying she was thanking you 717 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 3: for their breakup. I'm just kidding, just kidding. That's that's 718 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 3: the kind of line I always throw out there, and 719 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 3: whenever someone brings up a Stella, I'm like, oh, trust me, 720 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 3: she's lucky she got away from this disaster. But no, 721 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, I think, like time in 722 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 3: space from anything gives you such a different perspective in life, right, 723 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 3: I mean, here we are. You know, you and I. 724 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I always knew we'd be friends forever. I 725 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 3: knew that from the second we met. But it's one 726 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 3: of those things like you look at you look at 727 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 3: this history, and a lot of people, you know, didn't 728 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 3: didn't get the type of treatment that you and I 729 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 3: both got from Bachelor Nation and everything else. 730 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 2: A lot of people went. 731 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 3: Through different experiences, and so they almost like separate themselves 732 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 3: as far as they can from the whole experience. And 733 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 3: and I think, you know, that's that's something that you know, 734 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 3: she kind of went through it, and she was the winner, 735 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 3: so to speak. And then it's like, you know, and 736 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 3: she's also the one that's maybe in a relationship that 737 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: isn't what she wants, but she feels like the pressure she. 738 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: Has to stay in it and all that kind of stuff. 739 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 3: I mean, I wish I would have even asked her that, 740 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 3: but I just feel like it's one of those things 741 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 3: that I think she seems like a really I meant 742 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 3: what I said, like, she seems like she's definitely dealt 743 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 3: with not just this, but with everything. 744 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: You know, you're right, because that's hard, like being on 745 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: the first show and having to come out, and she 746 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: you know, she kind of alluded to the fact that 747 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: she was they were ghosted, you know, they they were 748 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: just Okay, you guys go on about your happy life 749 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: and we're going to continue to do stuff. And she 750 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: didn't feel supported. So that's hard, especially with getting kind 751 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: of not kind of but bullied like on you know, 752 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: on the internet through the message boards. Anyway, we gotta go, 753 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: we gotta wrap. Thank you everybody for listening in. We 754 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: love our AFO G podcast And until next time. He's 755 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: Bob Guiney. 756 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: She is Trista Sutter nay Wren. Hi, everybody, he's out.