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Speaker 2: Emma is on the phone today for our first Day

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Speaker 2: follow up, and she's getting ghosted by a dude named Kyle.

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Speaker 2: So in a few minutes we'll call him and see

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Speaker 2: if he tells why he's ghosting her and maybe get

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Speaker 2: her another day. But first, Emma, how long has it

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Speaker 2: been since you heard from Kyle?

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Speaker 3: Gosh?

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Speaker 4: I want to say, it's been about like three weeks.

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Speaker 3: Three or four weeks.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's been that long. Why do you want to

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Speaker 5: get a hold of him?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, if I can be totally honest, it's

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Speaker 4: because I know it's kind of cheasy to say because

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Speaker 4: it was just one day, but I really felt like

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Speaker 4: there was a connection, Like I really feel.

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Speaker 3: Like there was something there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the date went so well, and you know,

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Speaker 4: we did like a whole escape room thing.

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Speaker 6: Which I thought would be pretty fun fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean I.

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Speaker 4: Love solving puzzles, and you know, it seemed like we

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Speaker 4: were both really working well together. You know, I was

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Speaker 4: kind of the brains, he was kind of like the

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Speaker 4: and it just felt like, I don't know, it almost

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Speaker 4: didn't even feel like it was a first date. We

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Speaker 4: you know, even let so much time pass that it

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Speaker 4: was like past dinner time and we hadn't ate anything yet,

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Speaker 4: so then we decided to like stop and get somebody

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Speaker 4: to eat. It was so casual.

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 4: I'm very much a person who kind of overthinks on

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Speaker 4: the first date, and I get very nervous usually, but

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Speaker 4: I didn't feel anything like that with Kyle. I feel

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Speaker 4: like he was also kind of feeling the vibe too,

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Speaker 4: and the way he was looking at me and talking

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Speaker 4: to me and telling me things. Yeah, I just I

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Speaker 1: And it's always so hard to know that you feel

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Speaker 1: that way, and it's kind of like it's impossible that

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Speaker 1: the other person didn't feel something right, Like don't you

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Speaker 1: always feel that way exactly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what could.

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Speaker 1: Have been the reason why he's disappeared now? If it

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Speaker 1: was that intense.

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Speaker 4: I've really been trying to pin this down, and I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm not totally sure, but the only thing that I

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Speaker 4: get a little bit into the games, like I do

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Speaker 4: get competitive to a certain point. But I did tell

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Speaker 4: him this in advance, and I tried to kind of

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Speaker 4: just brush it off in more of like a flirtatious way,

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Speaker 4: Like there was one puzzle that he just wasn't getting,

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Speaker 4: Like it was, you know, like a word clue thing,

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Speaker 4: and it was so obvious to me, and he just

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Speaker 4: was like, well, you're lucky, you're so pretty, you know, like.

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, I didn't say that, but and it's my

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Speaker 6: own fault, like I know, I probably could have done

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Speaker 6: better about that, but that's the only thing that I

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, how did it end with him?

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Speaker 3: I mean I thought it ended so well.

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Speaker 4: We didn't like fully confirm going on a second day,

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Speaker 4: but we both said the whole like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 4: it again sometime. And we both said that at the end,

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Speaker 4: and we exchanged you know, like we still had you know,

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Speaker 4: our phone numbers and stuff. And then I tried to

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Speaker 4: text him the next day and I didn't hear anything.

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Speaker 4: And then I tried again, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 4: days later, and then nothing, and I did try again,

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Speaker 4: you know, a few more times, but I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say.

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Speaker 7: If there's one thing I normally hear on all these

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Speaker 7: it said after every single time they go on a

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Speaker 5: Says like, oh, Mars, like we should this again some time,

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Speaker 5: or like, yeah, that's polite.

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Speaker 7: I think it's honestly just a polite thing people say,

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Speaker 7: because I've said it before, knowing that I.

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Speaker 5: Was like, huh, so, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: It sucks because you, like you thought it was a

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, he could just be doing

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Speaker 5: it to be polite. Well, that's heart breaking.

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Speaker 8: That's been sad. I know.

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Speaker 2: That's like, Emma, we'll see if we can figure it

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Speaker 2: out for you. We'll play a song come back, and

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Speaker 2: then call him and see if he'll tell us why

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I appreciate it, guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, first thing, follow up. Right in the

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Speaker 2: middle of today's first day follow up, and if you're

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Speaker 2: just joining us, Emma is on the phone and she's

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Speaker 2: getting ghosted by Kyle. So we're about to call him

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Speaker 2: and see if he'll tell us why he's ghosting her

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Speaker 2: and maybe get her another date. But first, Emma, why

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Speaker 2: don't you break down your date for us a war time?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kyle and I went out a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: We had a great first date. We did an escape room,

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Speaker 4: we had you know, dinner afterwards. It felt like we

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Speaker 4: were both on the same page. We were vibing, we

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Speaker 4: were laughing, we were having fun, and we both said

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Speaker 4: that we were wanting to see each other again. But

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Speaker 4: then I never heard back from him.

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Speaker 1: All right, well he did kind of imply that he

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Speaker 1: wasn't the smartest.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there was that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, you're ready for us to see if

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Speaker 2: we can figure it out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ready.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Hey is Kyle, Kyle?

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Speaker 2: How are you? This is a radio show. It's called

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Speaker 2: The Jubil Show.

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Speaker 1: Hi Kyle, my name is Nina.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Victoria, and I'm Jebel.

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Speaker 8: How's it going, Hey, guys, it's going, it's going. It's

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Speaker 8: going pretty good. How's it going good?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for asking.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever listened to the show before?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, we do a segment on the show called the

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Speaker 2: first eight follow Up, So where if you go out

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Speaker 2: on a date with somebody and you ghost them, they

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Speaker 2: can email us to call you and figure out why

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Speaker 2: you're ghosting them. So we got an email about you

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Speaker 2: from somebody, Kyle, that's why we're calling.

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Speaker 9: Uh huh yeah, yeah for sure, I think I uh,

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Speaker 9: I think I've been familiar with it.

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Speaker 8: Let me guess she's been texting me a ton.

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Speaker 3: Uh no surprises on this?

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Speaker 8: Is it? Is it?

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Speaker 9: Emma?

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Speaker 2: Yes? It is Emma. Do you have time to tell

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Speaker 2: us why you're ghostinger?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 9: Look, I mean look, I mean I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the day was really fun. I thought it was.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a good time.

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Speaker 9: I mean she was really really gorgeous. I think she means, well,

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Speaker 9: I'm just kind of uh, I don't know, I'm bum

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Speaker 9: because I mean I was pretty attracted to her. I

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Speaker 9: was like really feeling something with her, and uh, it

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Speaker 9: turns out, I don't know, it's kind of crazy, but

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Speaker 9: she's like a this is a pretty specific kind of girl,

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Speaker 9: and it just kind of rubs me the wrong way,

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Speaker 9: sort of right.

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Speaker 3: So after our day, she she sends me, she sends.

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Speaker 9: Me a Venmo request for half of our Uber ride

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Speaker 9: people that send like venmo requests without like a head up.

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Speaker 9: That's like a different kind of passive aggressive and ride

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Speaker 9: that was like twenty five bucks, so like I paid

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Speaker 9: it and I just kind of checked out with her.

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Wait, wait a minute, sorry, that's the reason why you

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Speaker 4: ghosted me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Kyle, that's that much. She's on the phone and

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Speaker 2: wants to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, I did jump in like it

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Speaker 4: was your you're you ghosted me over twelve dollars and

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Speaker 4: fifty cents?

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Speaker 5: Did you send them?

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Speaker 3: I mean I did, It's.

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Speaker 10: What ye was like.

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Speaker 9: I didn't sorry, I didn't even make it. I didn't

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Speaker 9: even to make like a big thing or anything like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: it just it's just it's still kind of weird, dude.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but you made it a.

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Speaker 4: Big thing like it's it was a twenty five dollars ride,

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Speaker 4: like I was. I just supposed to just not like

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's just a very common expense expectancy

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Speaker 4: to like split things.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys split everything else on the date?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: My thing though, is so to me, this has like

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Speaker 9: care about this splitting the money, the fees, the twenty

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Speaker 9: kind of know what I mean by that? So it's

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Speaker 9: like we hadn't even had our first post first date

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Speaker 9: conversation before You're like sending me these Venmo requests without

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Speaker 9: like hitting me up about like or even just texting

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Speaker 9: me or even just like talking to me. It felt like,

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Speaker 9: I don't know that could be like our future, right,

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Speaker 9: It's just passive aggressive comments, actions and stuff like that.

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Speaker 9: I really, I just I can't really handle that. I'm

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Speaker 9: kind of good. I'm an adult and I appreciate straightforward communications,

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Speaker 9: just to be honest about it.

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Speaker 7: So would you have rather her text you and be like, hey,

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Speaker 7: do you mind if I send you a Venmo request

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Speaker 7: for the uber?

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Speaker 5: I'd like, would that have solved this issue for you?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because like I would have rather heard.

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Speaker 9: I guess in my head I kind of want her

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Speaker 9: to have just dropped it at least until where having

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Speaker 9: like regular conversations for a little while and then it's like, hey,

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Speaker 9: you want to send me some money for.

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Speaker 4: That uber, right, you just said that's the money. You

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Speaker 4: just said the money wasn't an issue, But now you're

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Speaker 4: saying it is an issue because I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: for my food and like everything, all I did was

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Speaker 4: sent a request.

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Speaker 3: I didn't demand it from you.

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Speaker 4: I was and you could have just texted me and said, hey,

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Speaker 4: what's up with the Venmo request?

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Speaker 3: You didn't respond to me at all? How is that

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Speaker 3: an adult mature thing?

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Speaker 9: I mean, even if you would have demanded it from me,

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Speaker 9: that would have been more straightforward communications.

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Speaker 10: So I feel like I would have preferred that even over, Like,

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Speaker 10: I just don't like the passive aggressive venmot thing, dude,

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Speaker 10: like this is it's like a type of person that

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Speaker 10: communicates and operates through the Venmo transactions like that, And

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Speaker 10: it's not me.

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Speaker 9: I'm just not I'm not into it.

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Speaker 3: It was a turn off.

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Speaker 1: But do you think you're a passive aggressive person in general?

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Speaker 4: No? No, I'm definitely not. I don't know what kind

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Speaker 4: of specific person you're like looking for in terms of

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Speaker 4: wanting something like that. But you could have also just

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Speaker 4: communicated that that was an issue. Like you're boasting about

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Speaker 4: being a mature adult and communication is important to you,

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Speaker 4: but you did the exact opposite of what you just said.

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Speaker 4: So I'm looking for somebody who can actually follow through

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Speaker 4: with their own principles.

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Speaker 9: I needed to send it them a request, like to

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Speaker 9: someone after a date, all out of the loop.

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Speaker 3: I just think it's kind of weird in this economy.

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Speaker 5: How is that weird?

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Speaker 9: If you're if you're if you need the money or whatever.

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Speaker 9: I guess I get that or whatever, but it's for me,

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Speaker 9: it's to turn off.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry about it.

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Speaker 8: It just is what it is.

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Speaker 7: You said that you would have rather bring it up later,

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Speaker 7: but I feel like it'd been more awkward if she

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Speaker 7: would have brought it up later and randomly.

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Speaker 9: Well, okay, how about we try this right, Like, why

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Speaker 9: don't you tell me how much your time was worth

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Speaker 9: for the date and I'll reimburse.

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Speaker 4: You for it.

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 4: No, you know I don't want money, you know, I

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Speaker 4: just I mean, if you want to pay me, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, give me one hundred and fifty bucks. But

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Speaker 4: to be honest, I don't think you can even afford that.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, all right.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna Avenue will use three hundred right now, just

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Speaker 9: to show you I can afford it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Kyle, would you like to go on another date

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Speaker 2: with Emma? We'll pay for it.

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Speaker 8: I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 9: I think I'm good, dough fam, I think we're good.

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Speaker 2: Emma. You didn't get a second date, but hey, you

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Speaker 2: got three hundred bucks

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Speaker 7: When in my book you will first date, follow up,