WEBVTT - OTB Sports: Julian Edelman 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.240 If you were a character in the office, who would 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:10.720 you be? I'd probably be you. Secretly, everyone thinks, oh, 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.960 he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. But you know, 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:15.920 I know how you got that money to buy that bar. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.720 At the end, you're basically in the whole time, you're 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:33.200 the smartest one there. All right, Well, listen, that's a theory. Hi. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:38.480 I'm Julian Edelman, twelve year NFL veteran for the New 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.839 England Patriots, three times Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl m 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:49.440 v P producer, content creator, analyst on Inside the End. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:54.280 we get it. You're a stud streaming on Paramount. Okay, okay, 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:59.880 Julian and lastly transitioning into one of the hosts of 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.679 the greatest forced podcast of all time, named Games with Names, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.280 on a mission to find the best game to dog 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.319 of all time. Greatest of all games. Yeah, that's me. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:20.560 How you guys doing, Hello, my friends, and welcome to 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:26.920 a very exciting episode of Off the Beat Sports. As always, 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.360 it's me your host, Brian baum Gartner. Now you just 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.640 got a little sneak peek from my interview today with 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.959 the legendary I think we can call it that legendary 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:43.600 New England Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman a man, well 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.880 you could say, a man that really did his job 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:51.040 over twelve seasons in the NFL, three Super Bowl wins 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.640 and the distinct honor of being the m v P 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:59.120 of Super Bowl three. But you know what, it seems 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:00.880 like he could have just on a little bit more. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:06.240 Am I right? Well now he is. Julian had an 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.680 incredible career on the field, and now he's expanding his 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.840 reach into the wonderful world of entertainment. He's starring on 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:18.040 Inside the NFL and now into my neck of the woods, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.919 a brand new podcast called Games with Names, which I'm 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.240 excited for you to hear about. But I'm also excited 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.760 to dive into our interview today. So strap it in, folks, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.080 slap on the old helmet, and uh let's get ready 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:40.760 to hear from one of football's all time great wide receivers, 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:50.640 Julian Edelman. Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:56.960 squeak on Bubble and Squeaker, cook it every month, left 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:10.280 over from the nut before. What's up, Julian? How are 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.880 you doing? I'm good? How are you? I'm good? I'm good. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:18.000 I'm just I'm out here in Los Angeles. Oh are 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.280 you in Los Angeles? Now? I am, I'm in Los 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.960 Angeles now. Well, you're a big entertainer now. I mean, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.560 not that you weren't before, but you know that's where 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.920 the entertainers live. I hear my daughter lives out here. 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.480 That's why I live out here. I'm a nor Cow kid. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.880 I'm a Northern California kid. So it's it's it's different. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.520 It's different where I'm from. By the way, just off off. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.360 Your voice sounds. Really it's a good, good voice for like. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.600 I don't know if it's the headphones that I'm wearing 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.160 right now, but the voice sounds. It's a good voice. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.520 You like me, You like me in your head, that's 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:59.120 what you're saying. You're in my head right now. Thank you. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.960 I mean, that's that's a great compliment. I mean, you 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.960 have a you have a face for television. I've got 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.480 a voice for being in your head. I guess do 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.640 you think I could have gotten in your head? Do 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.240 you do you think I could have gotten in your 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:18.120 head on the football field? No? Come on, no one could, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.919 No one could get in my head. No one. The 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.080 only person who could get into my head was my me, 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.680 like I would give myself like that's the only thing. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.240 But usually other guys I was pretty good at that, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.719 you know, especially when I was in the prime of 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.599 my career. Like early on in my career, I was 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:38.080 still learning. But once I knew the material and I 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:42.479 once I was comfortable and I had experience and remembered things, 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.320 like I was so confident in my ability that I 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.520 was getting in other people's head. Yeah, I know that 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.080 about you, but I still I feel like I could 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.080 have gotten in your head. I feel like I could 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.000 have found some button to push that would have stopped 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.360 the Patriots dynasty. No, no, because anytime a guy I 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.719 would try to do that, like it's like that's the 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.000 last thing you want to do, because especially if you're 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.720 on like a if you're on a good team, like 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:12.599 it's never gonna go down like that. When you're on 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.360 like a mediocre team and you're playing like week eight, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.359 you're eight, no, and this other teams like two and six, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.320 and this guy's talking and you already it's like the 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.640 middle of the year. So the first part of the year, 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.440 you're excited the season started. Then you start getting beat 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.719 up that there's a middle chunk of the season where 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.680 you're like, man, it's a grind. You know, you're mentally, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:38.119 emotionally just exhausted. And so sometimes when that would happen, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.039 it gave you a little spark because you go to 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.840 that one of those crappy teams or a mediocre team. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:44.680 It's hard to get up to play that when you're 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.440 you know, when you're always doing well, and then you know, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.720 so you would use that kind of stuff and you 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.000 would put it in your head and create a story 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.320 and then I would attack that person and I would 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.840 try to embarrass them. Yeah, that makes sense, That's probably 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.559 what would have happened. Um, I want to go back. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.279 You talked about being a nor Cow kid. You grew 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:10.880 up in Redwood City, California. How would you describe your childhood? 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.640 Good childhood, great child sports, sports and more sports, A 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.160 lot of sports. But I had a great childhood. You know, 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.200 my my parents were you know, hard working, middle class people. 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.840 My dad was a mechanic and very involved in my 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.760 whole sport life and just in my life in general. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.440 My mother was, you know, the lady that kind of 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:36.200 kept everything together, stayed at the house, raised us there 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.760 was no crazy struggles, but it was definitely, you know, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.640 it was a tough taught childhood just because of how 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:46.560 my father, how demanding he was of of me, specifically 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:51.320 in my family, for achieving greatness out of practice or 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.560 you know, doing you know a spelling you know, the 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.719 spelling words for the week. He'd worked with me and 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.800 homework and he was just he'd always pushed me, and 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.440 you know, it was tough, but I wouldn't be where 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:07.120 I'm at without that childhood, right. What was your what 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.320 was your go to sport growing up? Was it football 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.880 initially or no? Yeah, I mean I was. I was 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.400 on the football field when I was in diapers because 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.280 my brother was seven years older than me and my 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.720 dad coached him, uh in Pop Warner. He started playing 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.640 when he was eight. So I grew up on the 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.880 field around the coaching staffs and you know, organized football, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.560 and it was like the you know, like the tough 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.360 guy thing. And I was really good at baseball. I 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.080 played a lot of baseball, but I had too much 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.400 a d D like, especially as a young kid, and 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.400 I played a lot of basketball as well, but I 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.880 just couldn't. I had to have something like my mind 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.000 would float off in like the middle of the third inning. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.200 You know you're picking daisy, and then you have to 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.360 like focus up, and you didn't get that same feeling 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.160 you felt when you scored a touchdown. Like scoring a 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.360 touchdown when I was a kid, like that was the 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:04.080 most electric, euphoric feeling. I used to dream about it 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.840 at night, like on certain things I could. I still 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.680 have the same dream a cutback, spin move turn when 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.560 I started dreaming it when I was eleven years old, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.160 because this guy Tafo, he told me about it once 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.440 and when I was like eleven, you gotta if you're 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.040 in the sideline, you gotta stiff arm and then spin 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.640 off and then keep it going. And I would dream 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.360 that same dream over it because I love that, you know, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.440 that touchdown feeling. I don't know the other sports I 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:34.760 loved him, but they never nothing compared to my love 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.160 for the game of football. Mano Imano man Verse Man 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.640 man Verse Man. So the the Oklahoma drill, you like 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.840 the Oklahoma draw? I mean you don't like the oklow. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.560 It's Oklahoma drill is fun for a time and place 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.880 when you're young. But I'm just saying, like, you know 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.000 you're playing man coverage. It's it's literally the you know, 0:08:55.440 --> 0:09:00.439 this man is trying to cover you using technique, good tellnique, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:05.200 using your strengths, exploiting their weaknesses and finding that's like 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.920 a that's like a puzzle every time, you know. And 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.120 then when you get to beat that man, he knows 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.079 you you can beat him every time, you know. I 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.800 don't know. That's just that that that got me going 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.920 when I was a kid and kept it going to laugh. Now, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.400 I'm told that in eighth grade that you would sometimes 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:30.000 pretend to be Tom Brady. True, yeah, like eight Yeah, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.120 I mean he was a berry a kid. He went 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.160 to Sam and he was from San Mateo. I lived 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.480 in Redwood City, which was a town over a couple 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.120 of towns, San Carlos, Belmont, Sam, San Mateo. And he 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.240 I just loved. He was a scrappy guy. He didn't 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.640 get drafted in the first round. You know, his whole 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.200 college story when he was at Michigan where he was 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.240 battling Handy because he was the guy that was supposed 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.400 to come in and make Michigan the best. And all 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.360 Tom did was just grind and win, grind and win. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.040 And I just loved that about him. When I was 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.920 a kid and he was from the Bear So there 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.800 was that connection, Like you rooted for him, and he 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.600 already had a Super Bowl in two thousand one. I 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.040 was in eighth grade and so like this on the 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.520 asphalts of Recess and be like, I'm Brady all time, QB. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:21.240 Let's go. And so it was his It was it 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.960 was his ability to grind and the fact that he 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:28.640 had adversity through college and and and and getting into 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.439 the NFL. That's what you admired. And yeah, he was 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.960 the underdog. Yeah, he was always the underdog, even when 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.360 he wasn't the underdog, but he was always treated like 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.840 the underdog. And he just keep kept proving people still 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.560 to this day that he's not. He's the top dog. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.040 He's the alpha dog. And I love that. You could 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.720 tell he had that killer instinct in him, and he would, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.760 especially when he was younger, You're getting all fired up, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.160 and you know the TV would catch that, or you know, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.920 it was just I liked him. He was a fiery guy. 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:01.719 He didn't reminded me of Montana. I was a Montana guy, right. Well, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.520 I heard you had two two dogs growing up, Dwight. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.960 What was it Dwight in Montana, Is that right, Tim Dwight, Yeah, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:13.520 Dwighton Montana. We had him for about eight months until 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.680 they only listened to me and they started biting people 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.040 and they had to get rid of them. They were 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.240 like these they were black labs over pictures. My parents though, 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.760 they were like so much we found out like it 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.560 was crazy, but I was like, yeah, we can't be 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:32.320 having this. These guys are nipping. Okay, you are quarterback 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:37.199 for your high school team, barely five ft tall, a 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:42.760 hundred pounds. Yet your senior season you lead your team 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:47.959 to a thirteen and oh record yards twenty nine touchdowns, 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:54.200 another thirteen touchdowns rushing. You're good, I mean and no North, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.160 I mean California football. This is this is legit. And 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.600 so you might wonder who was recruiting you for college. 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.400 No one was, is this right? No one offers you 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.080 a scholarship? Yeah, zero scholarship. You know, we had a 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.800 really good football team that was in my senior two 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.160 thousand four at Woodside. We had a we had an 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.719 unbelievable running back by the name of Tyrese Jacks, and 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.800 so we had, you know, really good receivers like we 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.559 I went and poached a bunch of the basketball guys 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.959 and recruited him to come play football down Dominic, Duncan Cruise, 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.480 Kenneth Walker, we had Spencer Garrison, who was a track 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.640 kid who I played football with a lot. So we 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.480 had like it was like a perfect storm. So you know, 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.640 it was really Tyrease was like the show. He was 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.280 rushing for like two He was the guy that everyone 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.079 was looking at. I mean he was a man child 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.440 on the football field in high school, you know, and 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.559 I was a late bloomer I was at by that 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.720 time in my senior year, I was about five eight, 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:56.480 you know, you know, probably buck sixty, buck fifty. Yeah, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.480 I didn't get recruited out of it, but you know 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.000 that that all those stats and stuff. I mean, back 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.000 in those days, you just throw it, throw it his 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.319 higher high and far as you can to that guy 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.560 who's six six Duncan Cruise, and you know you're gonna 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.640 get touchdowns. So we had. That was a fun year 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.720 and that was one of the you know, you know, 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.040 you still think about your high school days to go 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.000 out the way we did because I don't know, if 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.280 you know, the year before our season got canceled, we 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:26.120 had a full mutiny on head coach. There's a chant 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.400 going on in the locker room. It was on like NBC. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.120 They covered it like nationwide. Our principal canceled our season 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.280 with like three games to go because no one would 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.200 rat on who started like this chant in the locker room. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.679 They brought it every single teammate, every single guy, and 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.120 said and asked were you in the chant? And everyone 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.400 said no, and and they said, uh, do you know 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.000 he started the chance? And they said, I don't know 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.679 the whole team, So they canceled our season. So that 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.120 it was that was a perfect storm that that that 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.280 senior year where we just went out and we were 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.440 so mad. We went out and wirt know and it 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.520 was it was a great, great way to go out. Man, 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.040 it was so fun. Did you consider giving football up 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.520 at that point? I did? Uh not? Not. At that point. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.560 I was in a you know, I was in an 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.120 area and I had a lot of friends that they 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:20.360 were all getting their acceptance letters to you see Berkeley, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.720 and some would go to the party kids to go 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:27.479 to Chico State and you see Santa Barbara or Stanford 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.320 and you know, and I was in limbo, like what 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:32.960 am I gonna do do I try to go to 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.360 junior college too. I mean, you know, you're you're I 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:41.600 wasn't highly recruited, so you know, you still have that 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.320 that that mindset of when you're going into something unknown, 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.200 especially when you're that young, and you know that's a 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.720 big transition to go from high school to college, whether 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.080 it's community college or a regular four year college. You know, 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.520 these next four years of your life are a huge 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.760 part of building your foundation and what are going to become. 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.560 I never thought I wasn't gonna play football, but there 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.200 was an anxiety going into that decision of like, what 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:13.160 do I do now? Right? Right? Well, yeah, you go 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:18.200 to San Mateo where you do play football, you have 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:23.640 a school record for rushing yards, you are still playing quarterback. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:29.760 Does that start to get the attention of schools. Yeah? 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.520 So I ended up going to College of San Mateo. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.560 Our head coach Larry Owens, he was a Redwood City guy, 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.600 and I I have to admit I originally wanted to 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.320 go to College of San Francisco because College of San 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:48.080 Francisco was like the big dog junior college in the country. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.400 They get a lot of bounce backs guys that went 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.240 to like a four year full ride. Some would get happen, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.600 you know, kids would get in trouble, they'd have to 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.520 go back. And this is before the portal days, so 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.280 that they would go to Juco for a and then 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.360 get rerecruited so you didn't have to lose a year. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:04.320 So you get a lot of those guys that would 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:08.440 go to San Francisco and uh, I'm I'm honestly so 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.080 glad I didn't. And because CSM was so me it 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.680 was once again an underdog kind of school, a tough 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.760 group of guys that worked their tails off, and that 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.640 was instilled through the coaching staff Coach Owens, coach Taller, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.480 coach Pollock, and uh, you know, it was a It 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.120 was a team that everyone around the Bay Area was from. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.440 You didn't get guys from other states and stuff. So 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:34.200 there was a camaraderie between playing and that in that environment, 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.720 which is the last time you get to play with 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.960 people you grew around, you know, because then you go 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.680 to college, you go to then you go to like 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.040 I went to Ohio after that, and you're going to 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.000 the Midwest and I'm a Bay Area kid. A melting pot. 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.040 There's Polynesians and black kids, Mexicans, there's Asian kids, you 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:54.800 know what I mean. Like then you go to Ohio, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.800 white and black. You know, it's it's completely different. So 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.640 like that is a special year in my life because 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.400 that was the last time I got to play with 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.760 like my people from where I'm from, you know. And 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.720 and that's what CSM was really about. A tough group 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.960 of guys, young men that are that are like treat 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.400 it like it's a family. You know. Once a bulldog, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.760 always a bulldog. And that's when I started getting a 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.800 little notoriety. We had a really successful year. We went 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.240 to the Bulldog Bowl and played this guy, Brent Shafer, 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.439 who was a really stud quarterback, one of those bounced 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.480 back so he was a starting quarterback at Tennessee. Came back, 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.439 played uh at College Sequoia is another junior college in 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.680 northern California, and we were playing in a bulldog game 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.760 and we ended up with a win, ended up like 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.720 number eight in the nation. And then after that, that's 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:44.879 when I started getting, you know a little more attention. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.240 I got a lot of attension. You know, I was 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.800 starting to get letters from Pac ten schools, Big ten schools, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:54.320 eat SEC schools, Big twelve schools. You know, I was 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.320 getting all these letters, which I was a static. You know, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.399 no one's ever wanted me, and it probably made nothing, 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.639 but I was getting letters and I like that was 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.320 the biggest high. I wanted to be wanted, you know 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.640 what I mean. But then these letters kept on saying 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.280 the same thing. We want you to stay another year. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.600 We don't have enough scholarships. You talked to the coaching stuff. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.560 We don't have scholarships this year. We want you to 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.200 stay another year and produce that same kind of statu 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.560 and we'll take a shot on you. Or they wanted 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.000 me to change positions. And you know, then I come back. 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.359 It was in the winter and we were doing some 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.360 running as a team and I'm walking up the hill 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.399 and coach Tullock or Public. There are two different guys, 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.479 but the same SEAE coaching Staff's real I run, It's weird. Uh. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.680 They came up to me and and he goes, yeah, 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.919 there's a school ken't State that wants to talk to you. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.000 They flew in or something. They want to offer you 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.000 a scholarship and bring you out. And I was like, 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.159 where's Ken State is it? Because my goal was to 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.160 play quarterback at a Division one level, and like it's 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.440 a D one because there's a couple other like D 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.399 twos and stuff that we're coming. And I was like, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.879 I'm cool with that. I won't play quarterback at D 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.960 one and they're like, yeah, it's D one, it's in 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.280 the MAC. I was like, what's the Who's in the MAC? 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.600 And they're like, you know, like Bowling Green Miami, And 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.800 I knew Bowling Green because that's when Brandon of this 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.000 Jacob's quarterback back in the day, he was in the 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.000 Heisman hunt, like in that little area of my high 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:20.000 school and junior college life. He was lighted up. And 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.720 Ben Roethlisberger went to Miami, Ohio, and you knew of 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.600 Ben Roethlisberger. So then I, you know, I I went 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.240 and took the visit, and you know, it was definitely 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:33.359 a culture shock of everything aesthetically on like how Ohio 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.679 is like built. It's like little hills and you know, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.320 pretty flat, and and just the people and very comforting 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.199 and heart of the earth type people, and you know, 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:44.760 it was like I went out there and watched the 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.840 practice and I was like, hey, I can start right 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.040 away here, and you know, I wanted to. That's why 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.840 I ended up committing to their coach Martin And you 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.639 wanted to be quarterback. That was it for you. I 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.560 wanted to be that, yeah, and that gave you an opportunity. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.280 You became three year starter, Derek. Kent State. A good 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.719 decision for you to go there, A great decision, unbelievable decision. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.400 Part of my story, part of my foundation. Love Kent 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.919 State University, Love Northeast Ohio. I mean I learned a 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.760 lot in those three years in college on the field, 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.240 off the field, you know, perspective of of how that 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:27.600 part of like the country and like I never left California, 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:29.480 so that was like a huge thing. I remember my 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.600 mom crying when I left. You know, it was like 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.000 my third time on our second time on a plane, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.560 you know what I mean, Like, you know, I loved it, 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.320 and then you think about it football wise, you know, 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.480 see I did go to a big school. I changed 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.920 positions right away. Then I'm dependent on, you know, a 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.080 quarterback to throw me a ball. Maybe you get eight 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:55.520 to fourteen targets a game. You go on that you 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.760 have six seven to you know, nine catches a game 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:02.600 or whatever like that. That's balling out in college, you 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.720 have to do that. For three years as a receiver. 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.440 I had the ball in my hand every single play 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.600 at Kent State, So either I was distributing it, or 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.840 I was showing my athleticism while running, or just showing 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.720 that I was a football player. So, you know, and 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:18.480 I learned how to play in the cold. You know, 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.000 it just so happened. I went to a very cold 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.200 place in New England, and I started playing in snow 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.520 games in Ohio and then the weather out there is 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:30.040 outrageous crazy. I mean, I played in a game against 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:36.119 the Ohio University at Kent where we had a lightning delay, hail, 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.160 and then by the end of the game it started snowing, 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:40.920 and then at like at the beginning of the game, 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.439 it was like hot. It was crazy. I never I 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.000 never experienced this. I'm literally it's seventy five and sunny 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.280 where I grew up my whole life. You know, maybe 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.240 it gets the fifty we're throwing on a hoodie, but like, 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.080 you know, it was crazy. So I learned a lot, 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.160 I met a lot of great people, and I honestly 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:05.119 loved Ohio, Northeast Ohio, and I'm I'm a static that 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.240 It's part of my journey because once again it goes 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:12.399 into that category of that underdog, you know, like can't state, 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:16.720 can't read, can't rag, can't state, you know, And you 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.239 go into the locker room in the league, and I 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.320 loved it. I was from Kent State and I'm still 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.320 in the same locker room with you who You're at Alabama, 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.760 you went to USC you went to Oregon. You guys 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.080 did all that with all that great facilities, all that money. 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.560 Probably got a pay cut when you came into call 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.120 the pros because you guys are getting paid out then. 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:38.240 And I'm still in the same spot, you know what 0:22:38.320 --> 0:23:00.840 I mean. You have an amazing career through high school 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.800 and then in college, but you're working hard in not 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:10.920 the biggest places. Are you thinking you're going to the NFL? 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.000 Is that always a part of your consciousness? I mean 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.359 I hear at some point you thought you were going 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.000 to become a firefighter after college. I looked into it. Yeah, 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:24.239 But are you always thinking about the NFL still and 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.960 that you can play at that level at that time 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:31.280 of my life? No, okay, you know subconsciously that's your dream, 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.239 you know, when you're When I was an eight year 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:38.840 old kid or a seven year old kid watching Dion Sanders, 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:44.040 Jerry Rice, Brent Jones, Ken Norton coming off the field 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:47.080 thrown gloves. I wanted to be that guy, you know 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.800 what I mean, That's what I wanted. So obviously it 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:51.800 was a dream. But when I was there were so 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.119 many things that went on in my life where I like, 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.600 I hurt my back my senior high school a little bit. 0:23:57.840 --> 0:23:59.480 So I go to you know that that was also 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.520 a part of the story, and you know, baseball end up. 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.879 Quentin went to Juco. Juco had to like battle to 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.720 take out like the first they had a first string 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:13.000 quarterback and that's like a senior quarterback who started the 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.479 year before in junior college because it's only two years. 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.800 So like that was a task and I wasn't like 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:19.919 thinking about anything other than just trying to win the 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:21.720 job and then trying to win games and keep this 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.280 guy off my back. Then I go into CSM and 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.119 I'm kind of the same predicament. There's a you know, 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.080 a prototypical six ft six gun sling and bounced back 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:35.159 guy who played in baseball. He's like twenty eight years old. 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.960 I'm like nineteen battling against him. So like I had 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.000 that story narrative that that was in my mind. Then 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.119 after that, it's just about winning games because the pressures 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:48.679 of you know, when you get to college, the game 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.160 is it's it's still a game, but there's a lot 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.200 more on the table, you know what I mean, There's 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.880 people getting fired if you don't do well. You get 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.840 focused on people that gave you an opportunity to go 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.119 the place you're at, trying to work hard and and 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:07.200 and repay them through the results you try to put 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.680 on the field, you know. So then I was dealing 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.560 with that, and after that, I'm trying to make the 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.080 NFL am I gonna be this? Am I going to 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.199 be that? So like I always in my life have 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:20.560 always had to worry about what's on my plate right now, 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.679 and it's always served me to the best. And you know, 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.360 in grand in like the grand scheme of things, it's 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:28.600 probably the best. So then it keeps me, you know, 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:34.200 blindered up. Yeah, Uh, it seems like the right time 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.760 to talk about you have a connection. I mean we 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:40.159 talked about you have Dwight and Montana, your dogs that 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.119 you unfortunately ended up having to give away. You also 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.880 have a connection being from the Bay Area and you 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:53.280 live around Jerry Rice. Now I understand you dated Jerry's 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.760 daughter when you were in high In fact, you took 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.760 her to prom. That to her, I went to her, 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:01.600 I went to her. You went to her problem. Okay, 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:05.480 so she invited you to her prom? Yeah, I guess. Yeah. 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:15.160 And then when you were in college. My understanding is 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.439 is that you said the following that you needed to 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:22.240 get addicted to the Jerry Rice mentality and that you 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.800 needed to work hard. You needed to get up before 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:28.320 everyone else and outwork them. And there was a hill 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:32.879 that he made famous in in Redwood City that he 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.880 would run up for training and you would start training 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.520 on this hill. Is that right when you would come 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:44.560 home from college? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah. Me and Jaqui we've 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:49.200 you know, we were little kids from eighth grade to 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:53.159 like high school and you know, dear friend and you know, 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:55.359 a little puppy love. So that was always fun and 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.720 that was a fun experience and an unbelievable thing. And 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:02.000 she's an oblieble person and they're a great family that 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.280 I you know, I was around a little bit, but 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.080 as far as coming back from college, you know, and 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.919 really taking on the mindset because then you at that 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.920 time I was really researching, you know, great people and 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:21.159 who who who more than than Jerry Rice, who I witnessed, 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.080 you know, in his forties catching a thousand you know, 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.800 catching a hunter ball or going for a thousand yards 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:33.120 in his forties. I mean the um longevity, the discipline, 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:37.720 the sacrifice, uh, and the hard work that he put in. 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.080 And there was like a documentary that I watched. It 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:41.920 was like an older one and I saw that hill 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:45.480 and everyone knew Edgewood Park over there on the border 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.560 of San Carlos and Rodwood City. There was like a 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:50.600 three mile track that you could do. And there was 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.520 also a hill at Kenyatta College is a junior college 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.280 at the top of the hill in Redwood City. And 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.760 it was like a I don't know if my masks on, 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.960 but like it was probably like a sixty degree pitch 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:07.200 and you would go from like it was sandy hard 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:09.480 to like hard and then you have it was probably 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:14.239 like a hundred a hundred and fifty yards up, so 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.959 it's not like a thirty yard you know thing. And 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:19.880 so yeah, I would go out there and I would 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.880 try to outwork people and and and you know, run 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.679 that hill, because that's what Jerry Rice did. And then 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.119 when I became a receiver, you know, catching bricks, that's 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.920 what Jerry Rice did. You know you hear that, and 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:34.800 and and now you're seeing all these these to transition 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:38.680 and a completely different tangent. And now that's why you're 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:44.560 seeing the receiver position transition into the NFL faster than ever. 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.120 It used to take some time. But I think with 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.880 the information that these kids have on how to practice, 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.280 what to practice, what to eat, how to recover, like 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.960 all these things you could learn on social media, and 0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.040 with the information that you have in your poem. I 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.520 remember like going like stealing a DVD of this Jerry 0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.080 Rice thing and throwing that in and like you saw 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.720 him like running this hill with like I think Ricky 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.840 Waters was in the background or something, and like you 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.800 know what I mean. So like, yeah, yeah, that's awesome. 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:18.760 Despite you working hard, you don't get an invitation to 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:24.680 the combine in two thousand nine, but your shuttle drill 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:29.880 time was faster than anyone else who was there. Now 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.240 you don't get invited to the combine. You've graduated with 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:39.520 all these unbelievable numbers from Kent state, what what are 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:41.920 you thinking in your head? Are you are you getting 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.320 drafted or is your football career done? What? What are 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:48.760 you thinking? Well, at that time, I was committed. You know. 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.960 The time I was in limbo was like immediately after 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.560 my last game of college, you know, there's like a 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.880 you know what is that? That's you end? And we 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:05.000 never went to a bowl. So we'd ended November early December, 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.120 and then like you have a couple of months to 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.760 see what you're going on and and that's what happens. 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:11.720 So that was the time where like I went and 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.280 visited a firehouse and Cincinnati, and you know you just 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.520 kind of throwing shipped away and seeing what sticks sticks? 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:23.240 Can you swear on here? I'm sorry? You want so? Uh? 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.560 You know That's that's what I was doing with with 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.080 that when I was doing like my train once I 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:32.400 went to training, and once I i I started really 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.440 taking it to a whole another level as far as 0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.680 like I was how much I slept, how much I 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.560 ate training twice a day, trying like doing everything, going 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.920 to class at night. Every time I compounded a week 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.560 of that, my confidence went higher and higher. And then 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:52.120 once I didn't get invited to the combine that pissed 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:56.040 me off, you know, So that was that made me mad, 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.640 and that made my pro day that much more important, 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.520 so than it gave me more time to compound hard work. 0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.280 You know, all the consistent things that I was doing 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:07.920 to go out and perform on that day that I 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.800 had to for the scouts. That gave you extra motivation. 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.120 I mean I already had the motivation, but it was like, 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:20.000 all right, that's that's lame. We get it cool, you know, 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:22.720 all right, what I went to a MAC I rest 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.520 for like yards that year. I threw for like almost 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.880 two two thousand of my senior year in college. And 0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:30.840 you're not gonna let me come to the combine. It's 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:34.160 fucking bullshit, Yeah, because I'm at mad at the MAC 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:39.400 right now? Are are you? Are you thinking at all 0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.360 at this point that you're still going to be a quarterback? No? 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.040 By this point I hired my agent, Don Yee from 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:50.000 me and Doubing Sports, and uh, he instilled a lot 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.120 of confidence in me. And you know, with what Don 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.480 said to me, and he's seen a lot of football 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:59.240 players over his career of representing guys, and you know, 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.120 you gotta be kind of a talent agent when you're 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.080 an agent, and he kind of pumped me up. And 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:07.160 once he started doing that, you know, then I was 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.080 working out and I linked up with Charlie Fry. He 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.800 was a starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns at the 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.080 time and he was just just transitioned into the Raiders. 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.200 He was starting at the Raiders, and he trained at 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.360 the same facility I did in Euclid, Ohio, which was 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.160 like on this it was like a Rocky four training 0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.080 montage video when you rolled up to this place like 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:31.920 potholes on the side of a fuicking like railroad track, 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.800 and like, I don't know anything about Cleveland because that's 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.960 the only place I went into Cleveland. I usually stayed 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:38.800 in camp, but I was thinking it had to be 0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.880 the rough area of Cleveland, and like, I loved it. 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:44.640 It was just like a grind and he went there 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:46.960 and so we linked and so I started working with him, 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.400 and he was giving me insight of like just as 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.800 a quarterback, what quarterbacks like in and out of their receivers. 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.360 Do they like flat to downhill on in cuts? Doing this? 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.520 And he, you know, he worked with me, which you know, 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:00.840 I'm in debt to him for a long time because 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.040 he was a starting quarterback taking a shot on a 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.240 guy that he said, oh, you know this guy works hard. 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.120 Let me, let me rub off and throw with him. 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.720 And you know, I would just be in his back 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.320 pocket and ask him questions and let him talk. And 0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:16.400 you know, that helped me a huge And he'd come 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.320 and throw my my workouts so that we had a 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.040 built in timing and stuff, and he kind of taught 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.560 me a little at the beginning stages of running routes 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.880 and uh yeah, that's that's when I started playing quarterback 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.440 or receiver. But I got worked out by some teams 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.640 like the Pittsburgh Steelers work they wanted they worked me 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.200 out as a safety. They wanted to be seeing me 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:40.960 do some safety drills. The Patriots initially sent their running 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.080 backs coach and put me through running back drills. So 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.040 you know a lot of a lot of guys were curious, 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.280 especially in that year two thousand nine. I don't know 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.320 if you remember. In two thousand eight, that's when the 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:55.520 whole Wildcat bad came. You know, the Patriots got blown 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:59.400 out by Miami and the wild Cat so everyone, you know, 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.960 you get these little trends in the NFL and and 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.080 that was like, who who could be like throwing type 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:09.200 running back for a potential package. And that's when my 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:14.600 stock started raising. Interesting, do you have any idea before 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:20.480 the draft who who's really interested? So I had in 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.880 my mind who I thought was interested. And then you know, 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.759 so draft day comes and first day and I going 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.120 first day, first day, No, so I didn't even watch 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.040 the first day. Back then there was only two days 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.080 of draft. Now there's like three or four, you know 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.640 what I mean. He starts on Thursday Friday. But I 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.160 was on day two, which is like the late rounds 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.880 and about you know, I went on and you go. 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:47.760 So the process goes. You do your combine pro day 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.400 work out individually for teams. Teams fly you out for 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.120 visits to meet with their doctors, to talk with their 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:58.960 upper department, like their gms, and see the facilities and 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.239 they just kind of want to pick your brain. And 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.960 then the draft comes. Now I did like seven workouts. 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.040 I did like five or four trips, and like so 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.000 everyone gauges like how many trips you go on you'll 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.400 potentially get drafted. You know, yeah, you probably can get 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.640 drafted if you went on like four four more trips 0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:17.359 you know what I mean. Like, so as a late 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.720 down guys, that's that's what you're thinking about. You're talking 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.960 to guys. And I went on a visit to Miami, 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:25.480 and I like, I was like, man, this is my 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:29.719 first time in Miami, Florida. And you go out there 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.480 and you see the facility. You see like the work life. Like, man, 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:37.040 I see like Joey uh Joey Porter. Joey Porter is 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.239 hitting like golf balls in the practice field. There's like 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.640 pre made peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and like a 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.520 cool like cafe and I'm like, man, this is awesome. 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.480 And they brought me in there, you know, they test 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.759 me and they worked me out a bunch, and so 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:56.399 I thought there was some interest with Miami, especially with 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.719 the Wildcat. And then I went to Chicago and then 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:03.560 I went to a couple other spots San Francisco, which 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.520 it was like a regional thing. But I originally thought 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.600 Miami potentially might give me. But in like the first 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.840 day the second round, they got Pat White and I'm like, 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.400 well that's gone because he was like a running quarterback. 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:19.160 I'm like, oh, well, they're not gonna draft two guys, 0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:22.880 are they like something like that's gone. And then the 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:26.600 sixth round starts coming and there's a bunch of there's uh, 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.360 you start getting calls from teams for like a priority 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.160 free agent. We had like four or five teams call 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.480 that like, hey, we're not going to draft you, but 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.759 if you go on drafted, we'll give you twenty dollars 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:39.760 to sign with us and we'll bring you to camp. 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:44.000 And so the sixth round ends and I'm talking with 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.160 my agent and you know, I'm kind of sad I 0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.600 wanted to get drafted, you know, because now I'm just 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.120 starting to get all these deals. But then we turned 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:53.920 on a different cap and I'm like, all right, now 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:57.000 we gotta focus on what's our plan of action going forward. 0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.719 We put down the teams and we decided, you know, 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.279 the Hackers were a team that wanted to, you know, 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.000 offer me a contract. I was like, well, you know, 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:07.400 me and my agent came up with a decision that 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:11.080 that would probably be the best fit. So we're talking. 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.120 He goes, all right, if we go undrafted, will sign 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.360 with the Packers. We'll take their offer up, and we'll 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.239 go there. They don't have a slot, they don't have this, 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.680 they don't have a punt return at the time, and uh, 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.399 that's our deal. And then it is right before I'm 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:30.960 about to hang up Don, which is Brady's agent. So 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.279 he's dealt with the Patriots, and he's got like a 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.680 little you know, you know what I mean, he knows 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:38.360 how the handling that he knows like certain tactics, and 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.880 he's seen it for at that time twelve straight years, 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:45.279 you know, with Brady. Right, and he goes, you know, 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.799 the Patriots did. And the Patriots didn't bring me in 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.600 for a visit. They worked me out twice and they 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.359 drilled me on like chalkboard. The second time. I'm like, oh, 0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.800 these guys hate I'm like, I call protections here and 0:37:57.800 --> 0:37:59.800 they're in college as a quarterback, but like I don't know, 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.120 I'm over here making ship up. I'm like, yeah, that's 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.880 over front. Uh, this guy comes, he swings out, you know, 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:09.760 and Ivan fears he's testing me. He's like, what the 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.960 funk you call it that? Or I'm like, yeah, it's inverted, 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.839 you know what I mean. I'm trying. So I'm over 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.800 here like they fucking hate me. They think I'm dumb, 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.440 and all of a sudden, right before I'm about to 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.680 hang out my agent after making the decision on the Packers. 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.080 He goes, you know, the Patriots did trade and get 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:32.920 another seventh round pick. You know, wouldn't be surprised if they, 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:34.759 you know, picked you up. I don't know, but I 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.360 wouldn't be surprised, you know. And then later on in 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.800 the later part of the seventh round, Yeah, you know, 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.200 I got the call and they picked me, and Don 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:49.319 was right, and that was history. How how excited were 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.840 you to be one to be drafted and two to 0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:56.040 be going to a team, a real contending team at 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.640 that point in the middle of their dynasty. I mean, 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.560 I'm was. I was very excited, you know. I mean 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.320 that was That's like a dream when you're That's the 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.839 dream you had when you're a kid, is to get 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.360 to experience that with your family, your friends, you know, 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.640 getting to go out and get an opportunity to play 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.080 in the National Football League, throwing the helmet, get free towels, 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.120 free socks. I went to Kent State. We had to 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.759 pay for like protein shakes in our locker room. We 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.359 had a vending machine, okay, you know what I mean, 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.120 like all the little things like it just I thought 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.640 it was so cool, like that was so pro. That 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:32.160 was like a word we used to say, like if 0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:35.360 a guy looked good and he was all like, you know, 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.000 Jerry Rice, he was like a professional, always had his 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.319 little towel, and you know what I mean, like you're 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.520 gonna get to become potentially a pro. But then, you 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:46.440 know how my mind works, I instantly started thinking. I 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.360 talked to my my agent, and he goes, well, you 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:50.640 didn't make the team yet, you know, he just got drafted. 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:53.839 And so then I started, you know, looking it up 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.520 and like seventh rounders barely make teams. You know there's 0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:59.440 there's already a long shot. So then you instantly go 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:03.640 into you know, the mindset will now everyone, all my friends, 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.560 all my family, they're all happy. Now you gotta go 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.080 out and you gotta go put the work in. You 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:12.920 gotta go do it. Yeah. How different was the work 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.040 when you started a training camp and started working with 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:18.439 them from the work that you've been doing on your own. 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:22.880 Completely different. I was training just to get like good times, 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.280 and you know what I mean, Like when you're training 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.960 for the combine or you're training for your pro day, 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.279 you're training for the drills that you're getting tested on. 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:35.319 That's completely different than having football legs, especially for a 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.799 guy that's never been in a full practice as a 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.880 receiver or a special teams guy. I was a fucking quarterback. 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:45.600 I was like of the periods in college. I'm sitting 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.920 there playing goalposts throws with sucking the quarterbacks while the 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.239 special teams goes defense. You know what I mean, Like 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:55.480 quarterback schedule is completely different, or doing drills. You're throwing 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.560 a lot, you know what I mean, Your your legs 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.840 don't get tired. As a core her back. I remember 0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:02.880 I would run and get so tired and like, man, 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:04.520 I have to go do this again. I don't know 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:06.120 if I could, I I might as well just throw 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.960 this one in the least. Like when you become a receiver, 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:12.719 you're running all practice long. I was never used to that, 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:14.880 so I had to like learn that you have to 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.640 get your football. I was dead. I was shot, like 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.120 I was so my my rookie training camp, and that's 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.880 when we had double days, so you had run run practice, 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.200 run game in the morning, passing the afternoon. It was hot, muggy, 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:33.080 and in Boston. I mean it was completely different. I mean, 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:35.920 it just was. It was something that I've never been 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:38.359 used to the amount of yarded. You were putting on 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:41.200 your legs at a high you know, at a higher velocity. 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.440 And I was on everything. I was on, you know, 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:48.080 punt punt return, kickoff, kickoff return, back up holder, on 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.120 field goal, field goal block. You know, when you're a 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:54.759 rookie trying to make the team, you barely play offense. 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.400 I would get like three reps and then you go 0:41:57.480 --> 0:41:59.839 play like after practice they would put like the guy 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.840 newcumbers and you guys get to scrimmage each other, you 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:04.799 know what I mean, Which is a pivotal point in 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:09.440 your improvement process because you're getting those reps. But you 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:13.120 know that's compounded on top of a full fucking practice 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:14.919 where you're on scout team doing all the scout team 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.000 reps you're doing. You know, you get three reps when 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:20.560 the starting receivers tired, then you gotta go the whistle blue. 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.839 I'm what am I own? Is it fucking punt pup? Like? 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.279 It's just like a whole another It is crazy and 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:28.480 you and you you're trying to make a team and 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:30.959 you're in the New England Patriots. There's a fucking there's 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:35.000 a standard, you know, it's It was one of the 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.000 most stressful. And then you get home at night. You 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:40.040 have to study in your room because you're you're you're 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.560 learning a new language. You know, when you when you 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:47.000 learn football, especially there's like three systems, four systems. I 0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:48.919 was in, you know, kind of a West Coast type 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:53.719 offense in college. This was completely different. That takes a lot, 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:56.560 you know, you really have to compute that, and guys 0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:58.799 that don't, they're not there. You know, it don't matter 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.319 how how good you are out that if you can't 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.880 get lined up right and know the fucking snap count, 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:06.240 you're gone, you know what I mean. That's a lot 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.800 when you have to compute that all right, what's the formation, 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.319 what's personel, what's the play? Who am I on this play? 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.640 What's coverage? What's because everything changes, you know, so the 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:17.719 ability to process that's a lot of stress for a 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.080 young football player in this league. That's why, you know, 0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:22.160 I feel for a lot of these younger guys. You see, 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.960 I'm watching training camps right now. You watch these guys 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.399 that are like, you know, they're all over the place 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.799 because there's so much going in these guys mind. When 0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:33.120 you're a young guy, a late round to undrafted guy. 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.240 You're not like the first rounder who's over here laughing, 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:40.560 drinking water because you know he's getting paid, Like you're 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:44.160 sitting here like a cornered animal back against the wall. 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:47.120 I'm doing everything I can to make this team, you know, 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:50.239 I mean competing, and it was like a whole new 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:54.600 experience and you're trying to work harder than everybody else. Right, 0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:57.840 That's that's the philosophy. That's that's what the work that 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.239 you put in, and that's what you're doing there, right. 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.919 The rabbit gotta be the rabbit, and everyone's chasing when conditioning, 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.840 you know, going to the drill to drill, when the 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:12.439 whistle blows, you're running like you gotta expend a lot 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:32.799 more energy if you're trying to be seen. At what 0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.400 point through O t S and training camp, at what 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.879 point do you feel like you're going to have a job, 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.239 You're gonna have a spot or was it not until 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:46.080 the very end? I felt like I made some ground 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:50.040 After the first preseason game. Tom Brady the year before 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.800 missed the complete season towards a c L. Matt Castle 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:54.600 at his year that year that he went on to 0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:58.320 Kansas City. So this was Tom's first game Lincoln Financial Field, 0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:04.439 Philadelphia in Sylvania, two thousand nine, August seventeen. I don't 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:06.480 know if that date is right, but it sounds like 0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:08.319 in that it could be like a four game window 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:10.400 where it's off on there. Well, it was against the 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.000 Eagles and it was in two thousand nine. I have 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.360 that done, but I don't have the day, but go ahead, 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.840 and so you know, this is Tom's first game back, 0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.760 and so he's I mean, when you have a big 0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:24.279 time injury, like an a c O, which I've had 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.120 through my experience those first couple of games, Man, you 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.640 could do all the rehab, but there's no live bullets 0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.279 and you ain't getting hit, you know what I mean. 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:38.239 So there's a psychological battle, there's a psychological hump that 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.920 you have to overcome through the play of the game 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:45.920 after a huge injury. And and the whole team, you 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.399 know what I mean, it's Tom Brady. So the whole 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.160 team's you know, a little edgy at our first preseason 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:52.880 game because we were about to get some clock because 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:54.919 we wanted to you know, we wanted to see where 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.440 we're at. We get a game time decision Welkers not playing. 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.600 That was his back up all camping well and in 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:06.200 camp and also Scotty O'Brien special teams coordinator. He comes 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:07.920 up to me pregame he says, we're gonna have you 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:10.640 cover a kick. We're gonna have you cover kicks. You're 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:13.360 gonna return punts. You're gonna we're gonna start you at 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.960 punt returner. And like the whole time in camp, I 0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.879 really wasn't so like they wanted to see me. So 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.120 I was starting that receiver. I was starting on kickoff, 0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:28.400 kickoff return, and punt. First game, so electric it was. 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.080 I was so excited for this game, but so focused 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.759 and like kind of very nervous. And first play of 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:39.240 the game on kickoff, I make a tackle. Awesome, great, 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.719 then we go three and out. Uh, then we we 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:47.200 they score something and then first playoff offense, Tom gives 0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.480 me a swing signal and he hits me on his 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.239 first throw coming back from the A C L and 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.719 so like, And then I had like five catches in 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.040 that game. I was getting open a little bit. You know, 0:46:57.120 --> 0:46:59.400 things were starting to pay off. And at that point, 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.719 you know, you go against the same guys over and over, 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:03.279 they learned your tendencies and I didn't know how to 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.200 run routes yet, so I didn't know what my tendencies 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.279 were even working at the time. So in camp I'm 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.239 getting covered. But then you're learning this new stuff in 0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:12.160 the game against guys that don't know you, and you're 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:16.399 making plays. And then finally, you know, they go back 0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.480 on defense and we go back on defense. They punt 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:21.520 up a kick and I returned to punt for a 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:25.640 touchdown like a seventy five yarder. And after, you know, 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:29.359 like after that game, my confidence got higher, and it 0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.920 wasn't like I was gonna make the team, but I 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.000 thought to myself. I looked into myself as like, I 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:35.799 can play here, I can play in this league. I'm 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.919 gonna be all I'm gonna be all right. I didn't 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:39.319 know if I was making team because I end up 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.680 getting hurt the next I sprained my ankle next week. 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.719 So after that, like, was that enough to make the team? 0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.680 Oh my god, am I gonna make the team? I 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:48.120 don't know that I've seen you know what I mean, 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.280 You just never know. But the versatility that I showed 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.640 throughout camp in preseason, you know, I had a lot 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.200 of backups to guys, you know, so I could back 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.200 guys up. So that made the versatilities with Ultimate really 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:05.560 kept me on the team. Yeah. The Patriot way when 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:07.600 when when are you introduced to the Patriot Way? Is 0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:10.480 it right away or is this a gradual way that 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:16.120 you learn first day? First day? Read the sign when 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:19.240 you walk in, there's a sign with there's a sign 0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:23.080 when you walk in, Be attentive, work hard, put the 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:27.399 team first, do your job on the sign out. When 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:29.720 you leave the facility, there's a sign out. Don't believe 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:33.360 the hype, speak for yourself, ignore the noise, and always 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:37.160 put the team first. Like you walk in the building, 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.239 you see the sign, see all the trophies, You see 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.919 the pictures, and you see Tom Brady's pictures, West Welk, 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.960 Greeney Moss two years ago they were eighteen one. This 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.640 is a big time team, you know. And then you 0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:54.239 go into the auditorium. You know, coach addresses the whole 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.640 of the rookies because this is rookie camp. You going there, 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:01.279 it's like Darth Vader walks in or like God or 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:06.480 something when built, because like everyone's like different things. Those 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:10.920 are two different things and Darth Vader but okay, but 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:14.920 definitely Darth Vadery. He walks in and like there's a 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.719 little chatter, guys, you know, everyone's kind of excited. There's 0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:19.400 like sixteen and the whole team is out there. This 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:22.600 is just rookies. It's like sixteen guys, and there's all 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.480 the coaches up in the back and there's like there's 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:29.040 like they're not they're like coach assistance. They're guys that 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:31.960 are trying to become coaches, but they're like little do boys, 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:33.560 so they gotta do everything. They gotta turn on the 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.520 lights and fucking get everything ready. And all of a sudden, 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:39.960 like and all of a sudden, one of the coaches assistance, 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:42.480 he comes comes over the middle of auditory and puts 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:47.440 the podium, sits down. Everyone sits down, and and fucking 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.719 Bill walks in the lights like shine up. Place gets 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:55.759 completely silent. All of a sudden, he singles someone out. 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.600 He's I think he's singled Uh, it was probably Chunk. 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.759 He'd always single out, but you know, the first round 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.719 guy because you know, hey, you're not you're not a 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.920 first rounder anymore. You're all trying to make this team. 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:08.719 And he goes, who's that on the wall because all 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.960 the walls had all these like moments of last year 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.600 of players making cool plays. He shows a picture of 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.920 Logan Mankins. He goes, who's that or or Matt Light 0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:21.239 one of the two, and he goes, I don't know, 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.680 and he goes, he don't fucking know. I don't know 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.120 if it was Pat, I don't know who's singled that. 0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:31.080 But he goes, you need to tell me. You're a rookie, 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.160 never even played in the game, and you're gonna have 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:35.920 this guy is gonna be sitting here and three weeks 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.919 and you're not gonna know his fucking name. After that, 0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:42.719 everyone went to like the guy who's in the operations 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:46.040 guy gave me a print out of like of everyone's 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:50.920 name everyone, like in the fucking cafeteria, people around the hallways, 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.719 people are like study like you know what I mean. 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.600 He wouldn't like pick on a guy, but he would 0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:58.719 What he would do was he would he would he 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:03.040 would let everyone know that everyone is accountable for everything, 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:05.879 you know what I mean, Which that's like you're on edge, 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.239 your shoulders are back whenever he walks in the room, 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.160 because you never know if he's gonna test you what 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:13.160 you know, so like, especially your young guy first time, 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.440 first team meeting, that that, and that's when you're like, 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:19.319 oh yeah, it's done differently here. And then a couple 0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:21.480 of weeks later you start seeing the veterans come in 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:23.919 and you see how they work, you see the time 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.600 they put in. You know, it's not like, you know, 0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:30.680 the superstars are over here dilly dacking around. They're they're 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.120 working their asses off, They're doing things to get better, 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:35.239 you know what I mean? And that you know I 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:39.440 there's no specific fucking playbook of the Patriot Way. You 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.719 just see it through actions of people that have been there. 0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:46.280 You know, Teddy Bruski walks in and it's Teddy Bruski 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:50.880 still working his ask Kevin Falk, Tom Brady, Randy Moss, 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:55.799 West Welker, you know, like the studs. These guys went 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:58.080 eighteen and one last year. I was still like a 0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:01.239 little kid. So like it is like, all right, yeah, 0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.880 that's the Patriot Way. When you see the top of 0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:09.200 the top working their tail off, holding everyone, holding themselves accountable, 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:17.840 being reliable, being dependable, Do you eventually develop a relationship 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:22.680 with coach Belichick that you're able to relax? Is there 0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:26.040 is there a point in time once you learn how 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:28.960 it's done and you become one of the older guys. 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:33.279 Does that happen ever or is it always? Yeah, it 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:37.440 happens a little bit here, it happens. But I mean 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:39.120 he he'll still get on you if you don't. If 0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:41.440 you're not it doesn't matter who you were, if you 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.600 weren't producing, and if you did something wrong and you 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:48.719 need to be coached, you can coach it, you know, 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:52.320 which I don't know how, you know, like, but it 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:53.879 got to a point where I could walk by him 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:56.320 and like in the hallway and like, hey, coach, Like 0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:58.240 I'd always give him like one of those hey coach, 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:06.000 have you just like fuckingman, I go, but I don't. 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:12.960 That was like year eight eight years. Oh that's crazy 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:17.120 that long? Really Yeah, I mean, I mean you could 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:19.960 tell when like he would dick with you. That means 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:24.320 you're not you're in the game. But like like like 0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:29.279 little things, it's very hard to explain. It could be 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.360 a look, it would it didn't even have to be 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:33.960 the words. It could be a look or a smile, 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:37.920 a grin. Yeah. That there's like a lot of nonverbal 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:41.600 communication that goes on. Interesting that's going on all the time. 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:47.160 Brady now has referred to as his security blanket, his 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:50.040 little brother. This is the guy you looked up to 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:54.440 and pretended to be when you're a kid. Who were 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:58.640 you more nervous or intimidated to meet and work with 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:03.960 Bill or Tom bhil I was more like scared and nervous. 0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:07.440 That's the coach, you know. Tom was like, I mean, 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:09.600 you'd feel that same. You never want to let anyone 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.040 when you let someone, like when you do like a 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:15.399 mental era Emmy on a player, he didn't do something 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.040 the way it was. I felt like I was getting 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:19.880 cut at those early years. You know what I mean. 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:23.160 You don't want to disappoint him because ultimately, you know, 0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:25.480 as a quarterback, if the guy can't do him practicing 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:27.400 and can do in the game, so that you're limited 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:31.000 the opportunity, especially as some brown guy. So you know 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:34.000 you're definitely nervous. But to meet Tom and you know, 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:38.040 be around him, that was just kind of like Dan boy, 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:42.520 get a little fan, a little like, oh man, what's 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:46.719 up Tom? Hey? How are you doing? Like I the 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:48.360 first time I met him, I'm running too? Like a 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:52.240 special teams like pre meeting, like a meeting pre pre meeting. 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:54.000 A guy would have to go to like the special 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.640 team's coach, like fifteen minutes before the meeting, or like 0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:00.719 sometimes even hours before the meeting, and like he would 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.360 explain everything in the meeting to me, and then I 0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:05.400 had to, you know, like he just wanted that he 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:07.880 was my guy, Scotty. He was looking out. That's the 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.000 way of a guy looking out for you. He's preparing, 0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.120 you know, he was gonna give me the meeting for 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.799 the meeting. So it was just reiteration, reiteration. Reators should 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:17.279 give this kid a shot. If he knows his ship, 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:18.920 he's gonna be able to play. So I love that 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:20.360 that he did that, but I had to go to 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.320 so many meetings. I'm running in with the fucking like 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.719 three and a half inch binder with the playbook because 0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:28.279 we didn't have iPads back then at that time. I 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.520 went to iPads like two or three years later. And uh, 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.759 I'm running through like a chicken. My head cut off. 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:36.919 I'm gonna be like I'm going like five minutes early 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:39.920 to the pre pre meeting because you know it, you're 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:42.719 trying to make a team. I'm running over and through 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:45.239 the gates to the locker room or the doors. Tom 0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:48.200 walks in and I'm like and like drop my binder. 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.839 I'm like, oh ship Tom Brady. He's like he knew, 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.680 he like knew my name. He goes Julian Tom. I'm like, 0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:59.200 nice to meet you, Tom. Trying to play it cool, 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.799 but but you're like the nerdy kids in school who 0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:10.640 drops his binder on the ground, like like big gloved. Yeah, 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.960 when he's following the chan a little girl or whatever. 0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:19.880 That's good. I got like, I got like like uh 0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:21.440 and then I had to go back and go to 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:24.880 the meeting. It was like made my day met Tom Brady, right, 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:29.080 you were. I mean, you did so much for the team. 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:32.440 I mean not only all of this stuff. During your career, 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:36.600 you end up playing some safety when when you guys 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:42.440 need it was that fun for you, Oh corner, it 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:44.960 was Nicols, So it's the third corner that comes in 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.400 and plays the slot defender. That was all. I had 0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:52.560 a blast. That was fun. Um. You know, delivering a 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:56.200 hit is sometimes better than receiving a hit, I'm sure. 0:56:57.239 --> 0:57:00.120 And it was just a fun experience. And I can 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:04.279 play defense in Pop Warner literally and I was a 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:07.600 quarterback and then Bill one meeting or one day Josh 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:13.920 Bowyer who's the defensive coordinator for He's the defensive coordinator 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.120 somewhere right somewhere right now. I should know that I'm 0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:22.000 an analyst. But he comes up to be pre game 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:24.360 like we were going we were going through guys, like, 0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:26.880 guys are getting hurt. That's the thing about the league, man, 0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:29.840 It's it's fifty three guys, but there's a hundred percent 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:32.400 injury rate. And you know you're going through guys, guys 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:34.920 coming off the street. And goes, see, hey, come up 0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:37.240 to me before team meeting. He guys, you're gonna be 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:38.840 with us today. I'm like, what, let me never be 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:40.680 with you? And he goes, hey, you're gonna be with 0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:43.080 us Nicol. We're gonna throw in Nickel a couple of things. 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.560 See what you could do? And I was like, oh, show. 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:48.560 So it was fun. I loved it. It was it 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:52.080 was it was a It was so fun. Honestly, defense 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:55.840 is different. You could run around and hit people, and 0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:59.520 you know, like if you know conceptually what the offense like, 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.640 I could cheat because I knew concepts down in distance. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.400 Not cheap, but I was just very informed on like 0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:09.280 situational type offensive play. So it helped me. And then 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:11.960 you know, going back to offense, it helped me to 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.200 sit in meetings and learn the techniques of the defensive 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:17.400 backs and what they're trying to do with Lena scrimmage, 0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:19.360 and what they're trying to do once they're in phase, 0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:22.640 out of phase, you know, on certain coverage I was learning. 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.280 So it was it was honestly, it was. It was 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:28.600 a great thing for my progression to the player I became. Yeah, 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:30.880 you know, that's actually really interesting. I've talked to some 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:35.520 other guys in the league about that. That having the 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.480 perspective of the other side. In other words, as an 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:44.480 offensive player, you have a sense of what the defense 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:49.840 is doing and how to beat them in some ways 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:54.800 better than guys who are exclusively defensive players. Right, and 0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:58.280 what you're looking at from the other side gives you 0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:02.040 the ability in some way to know and read what's 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:05.520 effective on the other side of the ball, right, Yes, sir, 0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:07.960 and that and that's what you know. You see a 0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:10.440 lot of that, like with coaches when you see, like 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:14.840 I I referenced, the coach's assistant who's like the coffee guy. 0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:17.400 So a lot of the times when they're early on 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:21.240 in their life, like Matt Patricity did this. Who's you know, 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:24.040 technically an offensive line coach this year for the New 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:27.360 England Patriots. But he started he wanted to be a 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.760 defensive coach. I think Bill sent him to offense and 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:33.760 he had to learn the offensive line person that he crossed, 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:36.960 he crossed teaches them, you know. So he has to 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:39.680 stick on offense for two or three years, learn offense, 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:42.080 and then he throws him back on defense. He's done 0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.200 that with a few different coaches, you know, And I 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:47.080 got to have that kind of like experience through a player, 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:51.200 which was, you know, awesome. Yeah. I mean, look, we 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:55.400 could talk all day about your career with the Patriots. 0:59:56.240 --> 1:00:00.200 You end up at the end of your career or 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:03.720 being the number two player in the history of the 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:08.960 NFL too, Jerry Rice, who helped teach your work ethic 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:13.880 in both yards and receptions in the playoffs. You win 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:17.080 three Super Bowls with the New England Patriots, Super Bowl 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:24.480 for one and fifty three Super Bowl MVP with I 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:27.720 don't know, I read that it was over half of 1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:30.640 the receiving yards. It felt like you were the entire 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:36.000 offense in Super Bowl fifty three against the Rams, just 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:41.080 an unbelievable career. But super Bowl fifty one, I want 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:44.480 to talk about just really briefly, when you're down so 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:48.720 big to the Falcons, by the way, my hometown team 1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:56.040 who have had to win a Super Bowl, Atlanta, also 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.120 the Red and the Blue. My friend, Yes, when you 1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:02.600 said to um what you said to him at halftime, 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:07.680 did you believe you could come back? Honestly, I did. 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:10.000 I knew it was gonna be tough, and I knew 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:14.080 the percentages were down. But like, first off, there's never 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:16.120 really a There hasn't been a blow out on Super 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.000 Bowl in a while. I mean there wasn't kind of 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:21.919 thirteam with Denver and Color at Carolina. But I ain't 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.600 gonna blow us out, Okay, and you're not gonna blow 1:01:25.240 --> 1:01:28.120 We're a hard like we're a mentally tough football team. 1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:30.640 There's gonna be some things to happen, which we we 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:34.080 helped produce a lot of the production of the Atlanta 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:38.480 Falcons through turnovers a pixel, you know what I mean, 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:40.840 Like we gave them a lot, but we also were 1:01:41.040 --> 1:01:43.800 moving the ball and we were doing things. There are 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:46.200 a couple of things we were doing well. But if 1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:48.160 we were tightened up a little bit here and there. 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:50.120 You know, we didn't get to really see much of 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:52.840 our defense. We were setting him up for shitty uh 1:01:53.120 --> 1:01:55.960 fuel position a bunch and they were like, they didn't 1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:57.800 really get to open up their game plan. So once 1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:01.720 we got back on track after that resettlement of halftime, 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:05.360 you know, being a raw rock guy, Yeah, we're gonna 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:07.680 do it this that, And first third down, I dropped 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:09.880 a third down like I would have been I probably 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.560 would have broke a tackle, and it was a man 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:15.520 covers a little under route and I was under gone. 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:18.680 I had him, you know, And after that, I was like, fuck, 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.200 you know, but that's gonna be tough. It's gonna be 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:23.960 tough now. And then you know, things started and everyone 1:02:24.080 --> 1:02:27.000 kept on saying, you can't win the game with one play, 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:30.320 You can't go out one place is not winning a game. 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:31.720 So why don't we just try to do our job? 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:34.480 Why doesn't everybody? If we all do our job collectively, 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:37.240 the unit will win each every play and we'll see 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:41.200 where we go from there. And that's what started happening. 1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:44.560 You know. You start, you started feeling momentum coming our way, 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:48.520 and we we started everyone started honing in. Everyone did 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.480 put a little extra into their mental capacity of like, 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:53.919 all right, hey, I need to just do this. Let's 1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:56.520 go to our fundamentals of each and every play. If 1:02:56.560 --> 1:02:59.920 this happens, we know this, there's chance of this happened. 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:03.560 There's sixty percent chance of this happening. Let's like let's hone, 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:06.520 let's honeing it in and let's do it. And and 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:08.760 you know, we went out and we did it. It 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:11.440 was crazy, and watching that game, it's still crazy, but 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:15.280 that was that team's mind. You know. I played on 1:03:15.400 --> 1:03:21.560 some really crazily strong, mentally strong football teams and and 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:25.160 to to see that one, that team that two thousand 1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:29.960 and seventeen year, like to be down that far and 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:32.800 and especially in the Super Bowl to go we we've 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.600 been down a bunch, Like I kept on thinking of 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:38.120 like back when we were playing thirteen. We were playing 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:42.240 uh Cleveland, we needed like two scores and like a 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:45.600 minute and thirty and we somehow won that game. You know. 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:48.200 On then Denver was up twenty four, oh on us 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:50.480 in in thirteen, and we came back and won that 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:52.880 game at half. After the half, we had like these 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:55.760 comeback wins. So I was like, like we could do this, 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:58.880 Like you're you're playing all scenarios in your head. And 1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:00.880 I also had some thoughts like damn, we ain't gonna 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:02.840 do this, you know what I mean? So like I 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:05.520 bounced it back and forth and and the thing that 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:08.080 ultimately keeps your mind in the right places when what 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:10.440 you know, the coaches always preaches, think about what you 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:14.240 got to do for your job. Yeah, is your catch 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:17.120 with a couple of minutes to go that ends up 1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:20.600 tying the score shortly after? Is that the greatest catch 1:04:20.680 --> 1:04:24.160 in Super Bowl history? I don't know. There's some good catches. 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:28.000 There's some you know, Julio had an unbelievable toe tap. 1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:31.760 Matt Ryan that that toe tap like outbreaking route, like 1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:34.480 a thirty yard ball down the field on the sideline, 1:04:34.600 --> 1:04:37.920 jumps over hand and face that was a great catch. 1:04:38.120 --> 1:04:40.920 The helmet catches a really good there's something really good catches, 1:04:41.400 --> 1:04:43.760 you know. To be even put in that category, or 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:48.040 to even be asked that question, I'll take that you 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:52.320 didn't answer, just pointing it out, just pointing it out. 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:59.600 My cots deception didn't work. Oh yes, Oh gosh, it's no. 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:02.080 You have to do the Patriots way anymore. They're not 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:04.720 paying you. Bill is not gonna come walking in the 1:05:04.840 --> 1:05:08.480 room and give you ship. No, you can answer the question. Now, 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:12.120 that's a really good call back. I honestly think that 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:16.160 I don't know. It's hard to put one onto Okay, alright, fine, 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:37.160 I have another Super Bowl question for you. In Super 1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:40.520 Bowl forty nine, the end of the game, did you 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:44.360 think Marshawn was getting the ball? And were you? Were 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:49.840 you surprised or glad that he didn't? Uh? D all 1:05:49.880 --> 1:05:57.280 of the above. It's Marshawn Lynche. You know a lot 1:05:57.320 --> 1:06:01.840 of people fail to to mention. And Dante high Tower 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:05.080 on the play right before that play where he brought 1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:09.240 down Marshawn Lynch while taking on a blocker. The play 1:06:09.400 --> 1:06:12.400 right before the pick saved the game, you know. And 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:15.040 and that was probably the reason why, because we we 1:06:15.160 --> 1:06:17.760 threw in our personnel group that was like straight run, 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.800 like run gun, We're blitzing every you know what I mean. 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:24.000 It was one of those all out blitzes and uh 1:06:24.320 --> 1:06:28.520 thank god they didn't. Yeah, thank god they didn't. You 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:32.320 don't know the butterfly effect on that one. Yeah. Uh. 1:06:32.960 --> 1:06:35.400 As I mentioned, you win the m v P in 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:38.920 Super Bowl fifty three of all of York of all 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:42.640 the games with the Patriots, of all of the the moments, 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:46.280 the plays, do you have one that stands out above 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:52.320 all else? Ah, I mean the Super Bowl fifty three. 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:56.160 The hill I had to climb that year. It was 1:06:56.200 --> 1:06:59.600 fucking early, you know, I tear my c H. I 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:02.920 gets spended and like I said, after an a c 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:06.440 L you know, those traumatic injury, especially a guy that 1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:08.760 has to run like you learn how like that was 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:10.880 a huge thing. And I was like I was in 1:07:11.000 --> 1:07:13.320 my It's not like I was twenty two, you know 1:07:13.320 --> 1:07:17.600 what I mean. You know, I had a lot of 1:07:17.680 --> 1:07:20.640 things going on on the field off the field. To 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:22.919 end that that was the hardest year of my life. 1:07:23.000 --> 1:07:25.360 And to end it the way our team got to 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:28.280 and and I got to it was you know that 1:07:28.440 --> 1:07:32.200 that was such a and also experience and something great 1:07:32.280 --> 1:07:36.120 for like me as a as a person to to know, 1:07:36.760 --> 1:07:38.800 you know, like you always I've been through some a 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:41.400 lot of adverse situations. But you gotta continually do those 1:07:41.480 --> 1:07:43.320 kind of things. You gotta contin It's not. Oh, it's 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:46.120 not easy. You know when people always some people will 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:48.200 come to you and say, like, man, it's so crazy 1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:50.680 this your story is that Well, there's gonna be like 1:07:50.760 --> 1:07:53.360 ten other stories that you have to you know, continually 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:55.640 do and anytime you get to chalk up a win, 1:07:55.960 --> 1:07:59.800 it's hard to win, you know, and anything, and and 1:08:00.480 --> 1:08:02.880 you know, to win that with my folks there, my family, 1:08:03.000 --> 1:08:06.600 my daughter, Like that was amazing. That was like one 1:08:06.640 --> 1:08:09.200 of the happiest days of my life, just just through 1:08:09.240 --> 1:08:12.280 the like the pressure, like it was just a long year. 1:08:13.040 --> 1:08:16.479 That was like a really tough year, Like mentally emotionally 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:20.439 it was you know, you're not feeling physically right because 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:23.439 you don't you don't become like that's a process when 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:25.240 you tear your a c o. Like your you can 1:08:25.320 --> 1:08:28.240 go out and play in like eight months, nine months, 1:08:28.320 --> 1:08:30.640 Like you can run routes, I could look good, but 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:34.400 can you continually compound and have this like endurance to 1:08:34.520 --> 1:08:37.040 go out and like each week, like you're you feel 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:40.040 like crap, you can't walk till Thursday. Then you come 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:42.200 back and you you get ready for the next week. 1:08:42.240 --> 1:08:44.040 And like then at the end of the year, you're 1:08:44.080 --> 1:08:46.280 starting to feel like your knees getting better a little bit, 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:47.880 you know what I mean, because you're you're putting that 1:08:48.040 --> 1:08:52.439 yardage on your leg. Your your body's adapting and like 1:08:52.600 --> 1:08:56.360 it was that was that was cool. And the way 1:08:56.439 --> 1:08:58.360 we did it too was we weren't supposed to win 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:01.120 it and that was awesome. Wasn't my favorite, but that's 1:09:01.120 --> 1:09:02.960 one of my favorite moments, not necessarily the win, but 1:09:03.120 --> 1:09:07.240 like that feeling after with my folks, my family. Yeah, 1:09:07.840 --> 1:09:12.439 once again overcoming adversity. I've I've noticed on your social 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:16.479 media you it's possible you're a little bit of a 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:20.960 fan of a television show called The Office. We had 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:25.599 in our seventh year, near the end, we had Steve 1:09:25.680 --> 1:09:29.439 Carrell Michael Scott leave the show. Talk to me a 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:34.360 little bit about your feelings when Brady leaves for the Buccaneers. 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:40.120 I mean it was at that time it was tough. 1:09:41.360 --> 1:09:44.519 You know, you become really like we spend more time 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:48.519 with the guys in that locker room, especially in those 1:09:49.840 --> 1:09:52.360 those months in the season. I mean we're putting in 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:58.320 thirteen fourteen hour days. You know, people, and it's not 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:00.560 just like the on field stuff. It's stay off the 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:02.600 field stuff. You like going to work with people you 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:05.439 love and that that makes you better, you know, like 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:10.080 that having that and you know it was a mixed 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:12.439 emotions though you wanted him and his family to be 1:10:13.040 --> 1:10:17.679 happy and and satisfied with everything, and and so it's 1:10:18.120 --> 1:10:21.439 that's a part of this game. It sucks. But every year, 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:25.760 regardless of the team, there's gonna be new coaches, there's 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:29.040 gonna be new players. And I never thought like that 1:10:29.080 --> 1:10:31.280 would be hard because we were so accustomed to that. 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:34.120 But that was that was hard. It's one of your 1:10:34.120 --> 1:10:36.800 best it's one of your best friends, a guy that 1:10:36.880 --> 1:10:38.760 has done so much for you and your in in 1:10:38.960 --> 1:10:42.360 my life, a lot of guys and for that organization, 1:10:43.479 --> 1:10:45.200 you know, that was a very that was that was tough. 1:10:45.360 --> 1:10:47.800 But then instantly you turn on, well like, now we 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:50.479 gotta go out and we got a we gotta go 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:53.000 find a way to win without them. And we didn't 1:10:53.040 --> 1:10:57.960 do much of that that year. Mhm. Right, if you 1:10:58.080 --> 1:10:59.800 were a character in the office, who would you be? 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:09.560 I'd probably be you. Secretly, everyone thinks so he's not 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:12.680 the sharpest tool in the shed. But you know, I 1:11:12.800 --> 1:11:14.320 know how you got that money to buy that bar. 1:11:14.400 --> 1:11:18.120 At the end, you're easily in the whole time, you're 1:11:18.200 --> 1:11:25.080 the smartest one there. All right, Well, listen, that's a theory. 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:30.160 That's a that's a theory. Julia, I just came up 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:39.160 with that. Whoo who would Tom be uh Dwight? Uh? Yeah? 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:48.000 Good good? What about? What about? What about Bill Correl? 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:55.120 What like? Yeah? Yeah, he probably would. I don't know. 1:11:55.600 --> 1:11:59.240 Buil builds his own guy. It's hard to put he's 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:03.560 his own character. I couldn't put one on him. But 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:08.120 he's the he's the world's best boss, right, self proclaimed? 1:12:09.080 --> 1:12:12.519 Who said that? So No, I'm just saying he's the 1:12:12.560 --> 1:12:15.920 world's best boss, right like that's Michael Scott. He's got 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:18.560 the mug that says world that means it's self proclaimed 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:25.360 from him. Yeah. I'm a little nervous talking about Bill lately, honestly, 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.639 because I've been doing it too much. And I gotta 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:32.000 go to a practice here soon. And I know because 1:12:32.040 --> 1:12:35.640 he's already gave me one of the talks like how 1:12:35.720 --> 1:12:39.040 can I turn on the fucking TV and I see 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:41.280 you impersonate me all the time? Like he gave one 1:12:41.280 --> 1:12:46.000 of those, and I still love the guy. Yeah, no more, 1:12:46.120 --> 1:12:49.720 no more, no, no more. You're done with impersonating again. 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:53.040 I hear you have a hell impersonation. I gotta I 1:12:53.080 --> 1:12:58.960 gotta put it on old. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. 1:12:59.120 --> 1:13:01.080 I gotta feel that The next time I see him, 1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:03.760 you know what I mean, already already gave a couple 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:05.519 after the last time I saw him, and he already 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:09.200 said that what I just said like poking a little 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:11.080 fun at me. But I don't know if it's really fun. 1:13:11.200 --> 1:13:13.439 Is it fun? Is he joking? Is he not choking? 1:13:13.840 --> 1:13:16.680 Is he throwing like a mind trick on me? Is 1:13:16.720 --> 1:13:20.120 he do using the forest like this? Dude's fool. I 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:24.760 got some cards behind there something, there's a card behind there. 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:29.320 There's a card you don't know. I am fascinated to 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:34.360 see what happens with the Patriots this year. Fascinated it's 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:40.400 it's it'll be very, very interesting. The no offensive coordinator 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:43.759 who's calling place? Thing? Is this a Jedi mind trick? 1:13:44.760 --> 1:13:47.160 Or does it fail? And I'm not even asking you, 1:13:47.280 --> 1:13:50.040 I'm just saying I personally me, I'm not putting this 1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:52.519 on you. I'm not asking you to say anything. I'm 1:13:52.560 --> 1:13:55.240 saying I'm fascinated to see how it how it plays out. 1:13:55.960 --> 1:13:58.280 I am too, I mean, this is this is a 1:13:58.360 --> 1:14:02.000 big challenge. This is you know, and but who would you? 1:14:02.280 --> 1:14:06.080 I mean, who knows? This guy's coach Melichick's probably like 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:08.320 I need this challenge. I want to see I'm gonna 1:14:08.320 --> 1:14:12.679 you know what I mean, who knows, I don't. That's 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:15.920 so that's so interesting. I was thinking exactly the same 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:18.760 thing the other day. So I have I've been at 1:14:18.960 --> 1:14:24.240 at at two golf clubs, clubs where golf happens, and 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:28.280 there are pros at golf clubs, and the pros at 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:32.599 golf clubs sometimes get bored with golf because all they 1:14:32.640 --> 1:14:34.840 do is play golf and hit golf balls and show 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:38.160 people how to hit golf balls. And twice two different 1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:43.200 guys that I know have decided that the game has 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:47.479 become too easy, and so they are they learned how 1:14:47.560 --> 1:14:52.439 to play left handed. And I was literally just thinking 1:14:52.560 --> 1:14:55.719 the same thing about Bill. Has doing it the standard 1:14:55.840 --> 1:15:00.040 way become too easy. Now, let's do something just a 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:03.240 little bit different and see if we can approach or 1:15:03.479 --> 1:15:07.040 learn or be balanced in a new way trying something new. 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:11.719 I don't know, I think I believe, you know, there's 1:15:11.800 --> 1:15:14.200 some I don't know that I see who knows that? 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:18.120 But you know, like there's so many other variables that 1:15:18.520 --> 1:15:20.880 people like when you're in the building, you know what 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:23.920 goes down, Like there's something that like he probably could 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:26.479 have had something lines something went through. This didn't happen, 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:29.559 that happened. This happened, you know. But it's gonna be very, 1:15:29.680 --> 1:15:34.360 definitely interesting to see the developmental stage, the developments of 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:38.040 Mac Jones, you know, going in without a guy like 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:41.920 that's a big relationship, an offensive coordinator, the guy who 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:46.080 calls the play with with you know, a young quarterback 1:15:46.160 --> 1:15:48.559 trying to thrive and trying to blossom in this system. 1:15:49.439 --> 1:15:54.920 You know, it's Josh McDaniels. He's a great offensive you know, 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:57.200 he's he's a he's a really good he knows x's 1:15:57.240 --> 1:15:59.479 and knows he knows that there's an art to calling plays, 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:02.720 you know, And I'm not I'm not. I'm confident that 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:07.320 you know, Bill called plays for the Cleveland Browns on offense. 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:09.519 I don't know if you remember that, but he did. 1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:13.519 You know that some happened, but he called plays. So 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:16.760 he's called plays on offense. But the games evolved, and 1:16:16.880 --> 1:16:19.799 if there's anyone who can do it, though, if anyone 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:24.360 in the league can do it, that's the man. But 1:16:24.439 --> 1:16:26.639 it's gonna be it's gonna be fucking crazy. That's gonna 1:16:26.680 --> 1:16:29.960 be a tough one. But if anyone can it's Bill. 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:36.679 Uh you retire from the NFL one just last year 1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:41.240 in April. Within three hours you have a new job 1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:47.680 there at inside the NFL. Uh. Congratulations on that. Congratulations 1:16:47.720 --> 1:16:50.720 on what you're doing. I love listening to you and 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:53.840 hearing your insights, both from your time there and what 1:16:54.040 --> 1:16:56.960 you see. I'm sure you still are the hardest working 1:16:57.000 --> 1:17:02.200 man and doing your research to keep all of us 1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:05.479 understanding what what's going on out there. I appreciate that 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:09.519 so much. You've got a kid's book, this was a 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:14.160 while ago. Trilogy, you have a trilogy trilogy. Well, this 1:17:14.360 --> 1:17:17.680 just made me laugh. The squirrel named Jewels, and a 1:17:17.800 --> 1:17:22.519 goat named Tom, and an old owl named you. Gotta 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:25.280 see the pictures too. It's pretty it's pretty cool. Those 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:28.519 are fun. Yeah. I mean you could have hidden it 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:31.719 a little bit better than that. But Jules and Tom 1:17:32.680 --> 1:17:36.160 and the old and the Old, the old wise owl 1:17:36.600 --> 1:17:42.920 and now breaking news. Games with Names new podcast launching 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:46.800 very soon. Just announced What can you tell me about 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:50.679 your new podcast? Games with Names? Well, Games with Names 1:17:50.720 --> 1:17:55.679 and partnered with this comic Sam Morrel. Very funny, very funny, 1:17:55.800 --> 1:17:59.160 Upper East Side kid from New York. You know, been 1:17:59.200 --> 1:18:01.080 a fan of his for a long time. And what 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:05.400 he's been doing, and uh, I wanted to start a podcast. 1:18:06.680 --> 1:18:10.240 And we've been sitting around thinking about ideas of what 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:12.200 what can we do a podcast? All? You know, I like, 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:14.320 I like to talk. I want to talk maybe a 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:17.120 little bit here and there. I got some insight. And 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:21.120 my buddy who just so happens his name is Kyler. 1:18:21.200 --> 1:18:24.240 He's just one of our he's part of Coast Productions, 1:18:24.320 --> 1:18:28.200 one of our directors, huge part of our business. He 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:31.880 comes in one day after Thanksgiving. This was like a 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:33.880 year and a half ago when we started developing this 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:37.840 thing and he goes, yeah, ranted an old kid at 1:18:37.880 --> 1:18:42.160 a sports bar, and we didn't know each other, but 1:18:42.320 --> 1:18:45.400 we recognized playing football against each other. And it was 1:18:45.520 --> 1:18:49.400 crazy to hear his perspective of this crazy game we 1:18:49.520 --> 1:18:53.120 played in and my perspective. And you know, we wanted 1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:57.320 to hear the crazy perspective of important games and people's lives, 1:18:57.960 --> 1:19:02.439 you know, And so we wanted to find the best 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:05.680 game with the greatest names. And then that's what this 1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:09.479 is the sports history podcast. Over fun games. You know, 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:12.439 everyone talks about the Goat greatest of all time? What 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:17.599 about the Dog the greatest of all games? We need 1:19:17.640 --> 1:19:21.679 to find the dog. What's the greatest game? Everyone's always 1:19:21.760 --> 1:19:24.679 arguing about it, Like now, is it the Statue Liberty 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:28.240 game with Boise State, Oklahoma? Remember that crazy game? Is 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:31.400 it the eighteen and one Giant loss against the Giants 1:19:31.439 --> 1:19:34.240 and the Patriots? You know? And then there's also cool 1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:36.880 games that like you get to you get to talk with, 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:40.280 like we had Ricky Williams on and then to talk 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:42.600 about when he was at University of Texas and he 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:46.320 broke Tony Dorset's all perfectly broke every record and that 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:48.960 was like his going to hear his perspective on that 1:19:49.160 --> 1:19:52.320 game and like how he prepared, what was going on 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:57.600 in pop culture back in It's a fun podcast with 1:19:57.720 --> 1:20:01.519 some you know, guys just having conversations talking crap, you know, 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:05.040 me and Sam and I'm super excited. I'm super excited 1:20:05.080 --> 1:20:07.759 for it. It's it's been really fun, you know, especially 1:20:07.800 --> 1:20:09.519 with the guys that we've had on. I don't know 1:20:09.560 --> 1:20:11.760 if I'm supposed to tell every guys, but you know, 1:20:11.840 --> 1:20:14.639 we had Michael Irving, We had Paul Pierce talk about 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:16.880 the wheelchair game. Did he shoot his pants? Did he 1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:19.920 not shoot his pants? We get the direct answer from 1:20:20.040 --> 1:20:24.439 Paul Pierce himself. That's called a teasers. And then we 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:29.200 also that's a teaser. We had eight We had Eli 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:32.559 and Teddy Brusky come and talk about the eight teen 1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:35.320 and one. Teddy Bruski's first time ever talking about this game. 1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:37.920 I don't know if that's a fact, but he usually 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:40.560 doesn't talk about losses. So we're gonna run with it. 1:20:41.160 --> 1:20:43.600 Elis on there. We had Peyton when he started the 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:46.880 season off with the game he threw seven touchdowns when 1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:49.840 he just signed Welker from tom and he comes out 1:20:49.880 --> 1:20:53.120 and lights up a seven game, a seven touchdown opening 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:56.519 game against defending Super Bowl champions in the Baltimore Cold 1:20:56.640 --> 1:21:00.559 or Baltimore Ravens. Like, we're gonna have some We're gonna 1:21:00.600 --> 1:21:03.360 get Joe Namath on this bad Boy. We're gonna get 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:06.680 a bunch of people. It's gonna be it's it's it's 1:21:06.720 --> 1:21:08.560 been fun and we've already got a bunch in in 1:21:08.760 --> 1:21:11.680 in the books and I'm I'm excited. And you know, 1:21:11.800 --> 1:21:14.280 Sam has been awesome to work with. He's a he's 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:17.200 I have to, like, you know, I have to learn 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:18.840 how to come up with something when he says something 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:22.120 so funny to like, like my comeback skills are are 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:26.000 kind of weak right now because when you work with 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:29.280 the comic they're just so witty. They're on top of you, 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:31.840 like you could drill. You could throw like a you know, 1:21:31.920 --> 1:21:35.000 a dick joke out like in front of Kurt Warner 1:21:35.479 --> 1:21:38.800 and make it somehow like I don't know, it's weird, 1:21:40.760 --> 1:21:44.360 you know what I mean? All congratulations on that. I 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:50.240 cannot wait to listen. Just annount breaking news here on 1:21:50.439 --> 1:21:52.880 off the beat. What's the what's the game you think 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:55.120 we should do? What's your favorite game? What? What? What 1:21:55.280 --> 1:21:58.280 is your greatest game of all time? What's your dog 1:21:58.880 --> 1:22:04.120 greatest of all games? But not necessarily football, right, No, 1:22:04.320 --> 1:22:07.040 it's all sports we're doing. We're gonna we're getting soccer 1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:09.479 on here. We're getting it all. Get a NASCAR will 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:15.360 make some wrestling. I think both. You could make an 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:19.840 argument for either Game six or Game seven of the 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:27.400 one World Series between the Atlanta Braves and the Minnesota Twins. 1:22:27.720 --> 1:22:30.080 Kirby Puckett hits the home run and then the next 1:22:31.040 --> 1:22:34.160 game small pitches you need to get smalt. Maybe for 1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:37.400 Game seven of what many people consider the greatest World 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:41.599 Series of all time between the Braves and the twins. 1:22:42.200 --> 1:22:44.559 I don't know that one just popped into my brain. 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:50.680 Um small Smaalty. If Smalty would talk about it, he 1:22:50.800 --> 1:22:54.240 probably hasn't talked about it ever, So that would be 1:22:54.720 --> 1:22:58.280 That would be something football man doesn't have to be. 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:01.240 We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna, you know, I mean, 1:23:01.360 --> 1:23:05.479 the the USC Texas college football game. That's gotta be 1:23:05.640 --> 1:23:08.160 up there. We're gonna cover that bad boy. That Rose 1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:09.880 Bowl was unreal. That was right when I was in 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:13.720 college too. Yeah, I was an electric game. That That's 1:23:13.760 --> 1:23:16.519 when the Rose Bowl was cool. Yeah, you want to 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:20.720 you want to know the greatest sporting game. I don't 1:23:20.720 --> 1:23:23.599 know if it's a game that I ever witnessed live. 1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:27.800 I was very I was young. I was young, but 1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:34.439 I was there at the Olympics when Kerry Strong broke 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:38.840 her ankle and they won the gold medal. I was 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:42.400 there in Atlanta. We might have to get that race 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:44.160 with me. We gotta get you come on and talk 1:23:44.160 --> 1:23:45.880 about that. We'll get it. We'll get We'll get the winners. 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:48.479 And what is it the four by one who broke 1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:53.880 their ankle, the carry struck the gymnast when the women 1:23:53.960 --> 1:24:02.160 won the gold medal. Can do it. You do it, Bella, Carol, 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:07.400 you were there. I was there, I was there, that 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:13.880 was in Atlanta. There. That's yeah, Wow, that's awesome. We'll 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:16.240 have to get you a pretty good I appreciate having 1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:21.240 congratulations on that. Julian, congratulations. Thank you so much for 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:25.080 coming and talking to us. So freaking interesting to me. 1:24:25.880 --> 1:24:30.040 The your career, how hard you had to work, the 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:33.960 ups and downs from high school all the way until 1:24:34.080 --> 1:24:36.800 well not anymore. Now you just you retire and you 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:39.040 get a new job, and now you've got more. So 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:41.840 I don't respect you so much anymore. But back then 1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:47.160 you worked hard. Yeah, it's it's it's it's not retired. 1:24:48.439 --> 1:24:51.320 I mean the no, i'man what they like to call 1:24:51.800 --> 1:24:56.000 the transition phase. You're transitioning. You never really retired. What 1:24:56.080 --> 1:24:58.559 am I gonna sit and do nothing? I can't retire 1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:03.360 a d D. Julian, thank you so much for being on, 1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:06.400 No problem, man, I appreciate a big fan. It's it's 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:23.320 it's honestly an honor. Julian, my friend, what a pleasure 1:25:23.360 --> 1:25:25.600 to have you on today. Thank you so much for 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:28.960 coming by and talking to me. I can't wait to 1:25:29.040 --> 1:25:33.120 relive some of my all time favorite sports moments with 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:37.560 you on Games with Names listeners, make sure to go 1:25:37.720 --> 1:25:39.920 check that out and thank you for tuning in today. 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:43.360 I have been having so much fun expanding into the 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:46.800 world of sports. I really hope that you're leaving these 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:51.080 feeling inspired in a way. These athletes, the work that 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:56.800 they put in, the dedication that they have it is well, 1:25:56.880 --> 1:26:00.720 it's it's mind blowing. So why don't you and you 1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:03.160 take that inspiration and I want you to do something 1:26:03.280 --> 1:26:07.960 great this week, all right, or just relax, that's cool 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:11.600 to whatever makes you happy, as long as you were inspired, 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:15.160 all right. I'll be back next Tuesday as usual with 1:26:15.280 --> 1:26:18.479 a brand new episode of Off the Beat, and I 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:32.800 will see you then. Off the Beat is hosted an 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:38.240 executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley. 1:26:38.640 --> 1:26:42.960 Our producers are Diego Tapia, Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and 1:26:43.080 --> 1:26:47.760 Emily Carr. Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and 1:26:47.920 --> 1:26:51.840 our intern is Sammy Cats. Our theme song Bubble and 1:26:51.880 --> 1:26:55.720 Squeak performed by my great friend Creed Bratton, and the 1:26:55.840 --> 1:26:58.280 episode was mixed by Seth o'landski.