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Speaker 1: Quentin went to Juco. Juco had to like battle to

426
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: take out like the first they had a first string

427
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: quarterback and that's like a senior quarterback who started the

428
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,479
Speaker 1: year before in junior college because it's only two years.

429
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: So like that was a task and I wasn't like

430
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: thinking about anything other than just trying to win the

431
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: job and then trying to win games and keep this

432
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: guy off my back. Then I go into CSM and

433
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: I'm kind of the same predicament. There's a you know,

434
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: a prototypical six ft six gun sling and bounced back

435
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: guy who played in baseball. He's like twenty eight years old.

436
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm like nineteen battling against him. So like I had

437
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: that story narrative that that was in my mind. Then

438
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: after that, it's just about winning games because the pressures

439
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: of you know, when you get to college, the game

440
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: is it's it's still a game, but there's a lot

441
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: more on the table, you know what I mean, There's

442
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: people getting fired if you don't do well. You get

443
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: focused on people that gave you an opportunity to go

444
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: the place you're at, trying to work hard and and

445
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: and repay them through the results you try to put

446
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: on the field, you know. So then I was dealing

447
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: with that, and after that, I'm trying to make the

448
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: NFL am I gonna be this? Am I going to

449
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: be that? So like I always in my life have

450
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: always had to worry about what's on my plate right now,

451
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: and it's always served me to the best. And you know,

452
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: in grand in like the grand scheme of things, it's

453
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: probably the best. So then it keeps me, you know,

454
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: blindered up. Yeah, Uh, it seems like the right time

455
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: to talk about you have a connection. I mean we

456
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: talked about you have Dwight and Montana, your dogs that

457
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: you unfortunately ended up having to give away. You also

458
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: have a connection being from the Bay Area and you

459
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: live around Jerry Rice. Now I understand you dated Jerry's

460
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: daughter when you were in high In fact, you took

461
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: her to prom. That to her, I went to her,

462
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: I went to her. You went to her problem. Okay,

463
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: so she invited you to her prom? Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

464
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: And then when you were in college. My understanding is

465
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: is that you said the following that you needed to

466
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: get addicted to the Jerry Rice mentality and that you

467
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: needed to work hard. You needed to get up before

468
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: everyone else and outwork them. And there was a hill

469
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: that he made famous in in Redwood City that he

470
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: would run up for training and you would start training

471
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: on this hill. Is that right when you would come

472
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: home from college? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah. Me and Jaqui we've

473
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, we were little kids from eighth grade to

474
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: like high school and you know, dear friend and you know,

475
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: a little puppy love. So that was always fun and

476
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: that was a fun experience and an unbelievable thing. And

477
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: she's an oblieble person and they're a great family that

478
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: I you know, I was around a little bit, but

479
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: as far as coming back from college, you know, and

480
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: really taking on the mindset because then you at that

481
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: time I was really researching, you know, great people and

482
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: who who who more than than Jerry Rice, who I witnessed,

483
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, in his forties catching a thousand you know,

484
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: catching a hunter ball or going for a thousand yards

485
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: in his forties. I mean the um longevity, the discipline,

486
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: the sacrifice, uh, and the hard work that he put in.

487
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: And there was like a documentary that I watched. It

488
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: was like an older one and I saw that hill

489
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: and everyone knew Edgewood Park over there on the border

490
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: of San Carlos and Rodwood City. There was like a

491
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: three mile track that you could do. And there was

492
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: also a hill at Kenyatta College is a junior college

493
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: at the top of the hill in Redwood City. And

494
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: it was like a I don't know if my masks on,

495
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: but like it was probably like a sixty degree pitch

496
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: and you would go from like it was sandy hard

497
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: to like hard and then you have it was probably

498
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 1: like a hundred a hundred and fifty yards up, so

499
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: it's not like a thirty yard you know thing. And

500
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: so yeah, I would go out there and I would

501
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: try to outwork people and and and you know, run

502
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: that hill, because that's what Jerry Rice did. And then

503
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: when I became a receiver, you know, catching bricks, that's

504
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: what Jerry Rice did. You know you hear that, and

505
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: and and now you're seeing all these these to transition

506
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: and a completely different tangent. And now that's why you're

507
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: seeing the receiver position transition into the NFL faster than ever.

508
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: It used to take some time. But I think with

509
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: the information that these kids have on how to practice,

510
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: what to practice, what to eat, how to recover, like

511
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: all these things you could learn on social media, and

512
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: with the information that you have in your poem. I

513
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: remember like going like stealing a DVD of this Jerry

514
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: Rice thing and throwing that in and like you saw

515
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: him like running this hill with like I think Ricky

516
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: Waters was in the background or something, and like you

517
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So like, yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

518
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: Despite you working hard, you don't get an invitation to

519
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: the combine in two thousand nine, but your shuttle drill

520
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: time was faster than anyone else who was there. Now

521
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: you don't get invited to the combine. You've graduated with

522
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: all these unbelievable numbers from Kent state, what what are

523
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: you thinking in your head? Are you are you getting

524
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: drafted or is your football career done? What? What are

525
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: you thinking? Well, at that time, I was committed. You know.

526
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: The time I was in limbo was like immediately after

527
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: my last game of college, you know, there's like a

528
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: you know what is that? That's you end? And we

529
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: never went to a bowl. So we'd ended November early December,

530
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: and then like you have a couple of months to

531
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: see what you're going on and and that's what happens.

532
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: So that was the time where like I went and

533
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: visited a firehouse and Cincinnati, and you know you just

534
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: kind of throwing shipped away and seeing what sticks sticks?

535
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: Can you swear on here? I'm sorry? You want so? Uh?

536
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: You know That's that's what I was doing with with

537
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: that when I was doing like my train once I

538
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: went to training, and once I i I started really

539
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: taking it to a whole another level as far as

540
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: like I was how much I slept, how much I

541
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: ate training twice a day, trying like doing everything, going

542
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: to class at night. Every time I compounded a week

543
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: of that, my confidence went higher and higher. And then

544
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: once I didn't get invited to the combine that pissed

545
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: me off, you know, So that was that made me mad,

546
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: and that made my pro day that much more important,

547
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: so than it gave me more time to compound hard work.

548
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: You know, all the consistent things that I was doing

549
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: to go out and perform on that day that I

550
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: had to for the scouts. That gave you extra motivation.

551
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean I already had the motivation, but it was like,

552
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: all right, that's that's lame. We get it cool, you know,

553
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: all right, what I went to a MAC I rest

554
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: for like yards that year. I threw for like almost

555
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: two two thousand of my senior year in college. And

556
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: you're not gonna let me come to the combine. It's

557
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: fucking bullshit, Yeah, because I'm at mad at the MAC

558
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: right now? Are are you? Are you thinking at all

559
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: at this point that you're still going to be a quarterback? No?

560
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: By this point I hired my agent, Don Yee from

561
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: me and Doubing Sports, and uh, he instilled a lot

562
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: of confidence in me. And you know, with what Don

563
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: said to me, and he's seen a lot of football

564
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: players over his career of representing guys, and you know,

565
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: you gotta be kind of a talent agent when you're

566
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: an agent, and he kind of pumped me up. And

567
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: once he started doing that, you know, then I was

568
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: working out and I linked up with Charlie Fry. He

569
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: was a starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns at the

570
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: time and he was just just transitioned into the Raiders.

571
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: He was starting at the Raiders, and he trained at

572
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: the same facility I did in Euclid, Ohio, which was

573
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: like on this it was like a Rocky four training

574
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: montage video when you rolled up to this place like

575
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: potholes on the side of a fuicking like railroad track,

576
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know anything about Cleveland because that's

577
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: the only place I went into Cleveland. I usually stayed

578
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: in camp, but I was thinking it had to be

579
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: the rough area of Cleveland, and like, I loved it.

580
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: It was just like a grind and he went there

581
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: and so we linked and so I started working with him,

582
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: and he was giving me insight of like just as

583
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback, what quarterbacks like in and out of their receivers.

584
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: Do they like flat to downhill on in cuts? Doing this?

585
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: And he, you know, he worked with me, which you know,

586
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm in debt to him for a long time because

587
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: he was a starting quarterback taking a shot on a

588
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: guy that he said, oh, you know this guy works hard.

589
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: Let me, let me rub off and throw with him.

590
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: And you know, I would just be in his back

591
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: pocket and ask him questions and let him talk. And

592
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, that helped me a huge And he'd come

593
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: and throw my my workouts so that we had a

594
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: built in timing and stuff, and he kind of taught

595
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: me a little at the beginning stages of running routes

596
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, that's that's when I started playing quarterback

597
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: or receiver. But I got worked out by some teams

598
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: like the Pittsburgh Steelers work they wanted they worked me

599
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: out as a safety. They wanted to be seeing me

600
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: do some safety drills. The Patriots initially sent their running

601
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: backs coach and put me through running back drills. So

602
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of guys were curious,

603
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: especially in that year two thousand nine. I don't know

604
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: if you remember. In two thousand eight, that's when the

605
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: whole Wildcat bad came. You know, the Patriots got blown

606
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: out by Miami and the wild Cat so everyone, you know,

607
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: you get these little trends in the NFL and and

608
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: that was like, who who could be like throwing type

609
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: running back for a potential package. And that's when my

610
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: stock started raising. Interesting, do you have any idea before

611
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: the draft who who's really interested? So I had in

612
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: my mind who I thought was interested. And then you know,

613
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: so draft day comes and first day and I going

614
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: first day, first day, No, so I didn't even watch

615
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: the first day. Back then there was only two days

616
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: of draft. Now there's like three or four, you know

617
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. He starts on Thursday Friday. But I

618
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: was on day two, which is like the late rounds

619
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: and about you know, I went on and you go.

620
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: So the process goes. You do your combine pro day

621
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: work out individually for teams. Teams fly you out for

622
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: visits to meet with their doctors, to talk with their

623
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: upper department, like their gms, and see the facilities and

624
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: they just kind of want to pick your brain. And

625
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: then the draft comes. Now I did like seven workouts.

626
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: I did like five or four trips, and like so

627
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: everyone gauges like how many trips you go on you'll

628
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: potentially get drafted. You know, yeah, you probably can get

629
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: drafted if you went on like four four more trips

630
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, so as a late

631
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: down guys, that's that's what you're thinking about. You're talking

632
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: to guys. And I went on a visit to Miami,

633
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: and I like, I was like, man, this is my

634
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: first time in Miami, Florida. And you go out there

635
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: and you see the facility. You see like the work life. Like, man,

636
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: I see like Joey uh Joey Porter. Joey Porter is

637
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: hitting like golf balls in the practice field. There's like

638
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: pre made peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and like a

639
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: cool like cafe and I'm like, man, this is awesome.

640
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: And they brought me in there, you know, they test

641
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: me and they worked me out a bunch, and so

642
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: I thought there was some interest with Miami, especially with

643
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: the Wildcat. And then I went to Chicago and then

644
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: I went to a couple other spots San Francisco, which

645
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: it was like a regional thing. But I originally thought

646
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: Miami potentially might give me. But in like the first

647
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: day the second round, they got Pat White and I'm like,

648
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: well that's gone because he was like a running quarterback.

649
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, they're not gonna draft two guys,

650
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: are they like something like that's gone. And then the

651
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: sixth round starts coming and there's a bunch of there's uh,

652
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: you start getting calls from teams for like a priority

653
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: free agent. We had like four or five teams call

654
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: that like, hey, we're not going to draft you, but

655
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: if you go on drafted, we'll give you twenty dollars

656
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: to sign with us and we'll bring you to camp.

657
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: And so the sixth round ends and I'm talking with

658
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: my agent and you know, I'm kind of sad I

659
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: wanted to get drafted, you know, because now I'm just

660
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: starting to get all these deals. But then we turned

661
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: on a different cap and I'm like, all right, now

662
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: we gotta focus on what's our plan of action going forward.

663
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: We put down the teams and we decided, you know,

664
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: the Hackers were a team that wanted to, you know,

665
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: offer me a contract. I was like, well, you know,

666
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: me and my agent came up with a decision that

667
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: that would probably be the best fit. So we're talking.

668
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: He goes, all right, if we go undrafted, will sign

669
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: with the Packers. We'll take their offer up, and we'll

670
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: go there. They don't have a slot, they don't have this,

671
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: they don't have a punt return at the time, and uh,

672
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: that's our deal. And then it is right before I'm

673
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: about to hang up Don, which is Brady's agent. So

674
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: he's dealt with the Patriots, and he's got like a

675
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: little you know, you know what I mean, he knows

676
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: how the handling that he knows like certain tactics, and

677
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: he's seen it for at that time twelve straight years,

678
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, with Brady. Right, and he goes, you know,

679
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: the Patriots did. And the Patriots didn't bring me in

680
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: for a visit. They worked me out twice and they

681
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: drilled me on like chalkboard. The second time. I'm like, oh,

682
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: these guys hate I'm like, I call protections here and

683
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: they're in college as a quarterback, but like I don't know,

684
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm over here making ship up. I'm like, yeah, that's

685
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: over front. Uh, this guy comes, he swings out, you know,

686
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: and Ivan fears he's testing me. He's like, what the

687
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: funk you call it that? Or I'm like, yeah, it's inverted,

688
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm trying. So I'm over

689
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: here like they fucking hate me. They think I'm dumb,

690
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, right before I'm about to

691
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: hang out my agent after making the decision on the Packers.

692
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, the Patriots did trade and get

693
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: another seventh round pick. You know, wouldn't be surprised if they,

694
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, picked you up. I don't know, but I

695
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised, you know. And then later on in

696
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: the later part of the seventh round, Yeah, you know,

697
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: I got the call and they picked me, and Don

698
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: was right, and that was history. How how excited were

699
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: you to be one to be drafted and two to

700
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: be going to a team, a real contending team at

701
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: that point in the middle of their dynasty. I mean,

702
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm was. I was very excited, you know. I mean

703
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: that was That's like a dream when you're That's the

704
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: dream you had when you're a kid, is to get

705
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: to experience that with your family, your friends, you know,

706
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: getting to go out and get an opportunity to play

707
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, throwing the helmet, get free towels,

708
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: free socks. I went to Kent State. We had to

709
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: pay for like protein shakes in our locker room. We

710
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: had a vending machine, okay, you know what I mean,

711
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: like all the little things like it just I thought

712
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: it was so cool, like that was so pro. That

713
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: was like a word we used to say, like if

714
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: a guy looked good and he was all like, you know,

715
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, he was like a professional, always had his

716
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: little towel, and you know what I mean, like you're

717
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna get to become potentially a pro. But then, you

718
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: know how my mind works, I instantly started thinking. I

719
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: talked to my my agent, and he goes, well, you

720
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: didn't make the team yet, you know, he just got drafted.

721
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: And so then I started, you know, looking it up

722
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: and like seventh rounders barely make teams. You know there's

723
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: there's already a long shot. So then you instantly go

724
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: into you know, the mindset will now everyone, all my friends,

725
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: all my family, they're all happy. Now you gotta go

726
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: out and you gotta go put the work in. You

727
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: gotta go do it. Yeah. How different was the work

728
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: when you started a training camp and started working with

729
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: them from the work that you've been doing on your own.

730
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: Completely different. I was training just to get like good times,

731
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, Like when you're training

732
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: for the combine or you're training for your pro day,

733
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: you're training for the drills that you're getting tested on.

734
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: That's completely different than having football legs, especially for a

735
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: guy that's never been in a full practice as a

736
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: receiver or a special teams guy. I was a fucking quarterback.

737
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: I was like of the periods in college. I'm sitting

738
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: there playing goalposts throws with sucking the quarterbacks while the

739
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: special teams goes defense. You know what I mean, Like

740
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: quarterback schedule is completely different, or doing drills. You're throwing

741
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean, Your your legs

742
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: don't get tired. As a core her back. I remember

743
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: I would run and get so tired and like, man,

744
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: I have to go do this again. I don't know

745
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: if I could, I I might as well just throw

746
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: this one in the least. Like when you become a receiver,

747
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: you're running all practice long. I was never used to that,

748
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: so I had to like learn that you have to

749
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: get your football. I was dead. I was shot, like

750
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: I was so my my rookie training camp, and that's

751
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: when we had double days, so you had run run practice,

752
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: run game in the morning, passing the afternoon. It was hot, muggy,

753
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: and in Boston. I mean it was completely different. I mean,

754
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: it just was. It was something that I've never been

755
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: used to the amount of yarded. You were putting on

756
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: your legs at a high you know, at a higher velocity.

757
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: And I was on everything. I was on, you know,

758
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: punt punt return, kickoff, kickoff return, back up holder, on

759
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: field goal, field goal block. You know, when you're a

760
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: rookie trying to make the team, you barely play offense.

761
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: I would get like three reps and then you go

762
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: play like after practice they would put like the guy

763
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: newcumbers and you guys get to scrimmage each other, you

764
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Which is a pivotal point in

765
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: your improvement process because you're getting those reps. But you

766
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: know that's compounded on top of a full fucking practice

767
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: where you're on scout team doing all the scout team

768
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: reps you're doing. You know, you get three reps when

769
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: the starting receivers tired, then you gotta go the whistle blue.

770
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: I'm what am I own? Is it fucking punt pup? Like?

771
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: It's just like a whole another It is crazy and

772
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: you and you you're trying to make a team and

773
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: you're in the New England Patriots. There's a fucking there's

774
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: a standard, you know, it's It was one of the

775
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: most stressful. And then you get home at night. You

776
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: have to study in your room because you're you're you're

777
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: learning a new language. You know, when you when you

778
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: learn football, especially there's like three systems, four systems. I

779
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: was in, you know, kind of a West Coast type

780
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: offense in college. This was completely different. That takes a lot,

781
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, you really have to compute that, and guys

782
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: that don't, they're not there. You know, it don't matter

783
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: how how good you are out that if you can't

784
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: get lined up right and know the fucking snap count,

785
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: you're gone, you know what I mean. That's a lot

786
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: when you have to compute that all right, what's the formation,

787
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: what's personel, what's the play? Who am I on this play?

788
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: What's coverage? What's because everything changes, you know, so the

789
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: ability to process that's a lot of stress for a

790
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: young football player in this league. That's why, you know,

791
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: I feel for a lot of these younger guys. You see,

792
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm watching training camps right now. You watch these guys

793
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: that are like, you know, they're all over the place

794
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: because there's so much going in these guys mind. When

795
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: you're a young guy, a late round to undrafted guy.

796
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: You're not like the first rounder who's over here laughing,

797
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: drinking water because you know he's getting paid, Like you're

798
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: sitting here like a cornered animal back against the wall.

799
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing everything I can to make this team, you know,

800
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean competing, and it was like a whole new

801
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: experience and you're trying to work harder than everybody else. Right,

802
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: That's that's the philosophy. That's that's what the work that

803
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: you put in, and that's what you're doing there, right.

804
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: The rabbit gotta be the rabbit, and everyone's chasing when conditioning,

805
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, going to the drill to drill, when the

806
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: whistle blows, you're running like you gotta expend a lot

807
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: more energy if you're trying to be seen. At what

808
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: point through O t S and training camp, at what

809
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: point do you feel like you're going to have a job,

810
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a spot or was it not until

811
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: the very end? I felt like I made some ground

812
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: After the first preseason game. Tom Brady the year before

813
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: missed the complete season towards a c L. Matt Castle

814
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: at his year that year that he went on to

815
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: Kansas City. So this was Tom's first game Lincoln Financial Field,

816
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: Philadelphia in Sylvania, two thousand nine, August seventeen. I don't

817
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: know if that date is right, but it sounds like

818
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: in that it could be like a four game window

819
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: where it's off on there. Well, it was against the

820
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: Eagles and it was in two thousand nine. I have

821
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: that done, but I don't have the day, but go ahead,

822
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: and so you know, this is Tom's first game back,

823
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: and so he's I mean, when you have a big

824
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: time injury, like an a c O, which I've had

825
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: through my experience those first couple of games, Man, you

826
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: could do all the rehab, but there's no live bullets

827
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: and you ain't getting hit, you know what I mean.

828
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: So there's a psychological battle, there's a psychological hump that

829
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: you have to overcome through the play of the game

830
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: after a huge injury. And and the whole team, you

831
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's Tom Brady. So the whole

832
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: team's you know, a little edgy at our first preseason

833
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: game because we were about to get some clock because

834
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: we wanted to you know, we wanted to see where

835
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: we're at. We get a game time decision Welkers not playing.

836
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: That was his back up all camping well and in

837
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: camp and also Scotty O'Brien special teams coordinator. He comes

838
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: up to me pregame he says, we're gonna have you

839
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: cover a kick. We're gonna have you cover kicks. You're

840
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: gonna return punts. You're gonna we're gonna start you at

841
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: punt returner. And like the whole time in camp, I

842
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: really wasn't so like they wanted to see me. So

843
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: I was starting that receiver. I was starting on kickoff,

844
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: kickoff return, and punt. First game, so electric it was.

845
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: I was so excited for this game, but so focused

846
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: and like kind of very nervous. And first play of

847
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: the game on kickoff, I make a tackle. Awesome, great,

848
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: then we go three and out. Uh, then we we

849
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: they score something and then first playoff offense, Tom gives

850
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: me a swing signal and he hits me on his

851
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: first throw coming back from the A C L and

852
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: so like, And then I had like five catches in

853
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: that game. I was getting open a little bit. You know,

854
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: things were starting to pay off. And at that point,

855
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, you go against the same guys over and over,

856
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: they learned your tendencies and I didn't know how to

857
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: run routes yet, so I didn't know what my tendencies

858
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: were even working at the time. So in camp I'm

859
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: getting covered. But then you're learning this new stuff in

860
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: the game against guys that don't know you, and you're

861
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: making plays. And then finally, you know, they go back

862
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: on defense and we go back on defense. They punt

863
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: up a kick and I returned to punt for a

864
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: touchdown like a seventy five yarder. And after, you know,

865
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: like after that game, my confidence got higher, and it

866
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was gonna make the team, but I

867
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: thought to myself. I looked into myself as like, I

868
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: can play here, I can play in this league. I'm

869
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: gonna be all I'm gonna be all right. I didn't

870
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: know if I was making team because I end up

871
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: getting hurt the next I sprained my ankle next week.

872
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: So after that, like, was that enough to make the team?

873
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, am I gonna make the team? I

874
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: don't know that I've seen you know what I mean,

875
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: You just never know. But the versatility that I showed

876
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: throughout camp in preseason, you know, I had a lot

877
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: of backups to guys, you know, so I could back

878
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: guys up. So that made the versatilities with Ultimate really

879
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: kept me on the team. Yeah. The Patriot way when

880
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: when when are you introduced to the Patriot Way? Is

881
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: it right away or is this a gradual way that

882
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: you learn first day? First day? Read the sign when

883
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: you walk in, there's a sign with there's a sign

884
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: when you walk in, Be attentive, work hard, put the

885
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: team first, do your job on the sign out. When

886
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: you leave the facility, there's a sign out. Don't believe

887
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: the hype, speak for yourself, ignore the noise, and always

888
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: put the team first. Like you walk in the building,

889
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: you see the sign, see all the trophies, You see

890
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: the pictures, and you see Tom Brady's pictures, West Welk,

891
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: Greeney Moss two years ago they were eighteen one. This

892
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: is a big time team, you know. And then you

893
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: go into the auditorium. You know, coach addresses the whole

894
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: of the rookies because this is rookie camp. You going there,

895
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: it's like Darth Vader walks in or like God or

896
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: something when built, because like everyone's like different things. Those

897
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: are two different things and Darth Vader but okay, but

898
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: definitely Darth Vadery. He walks in and like there's a

899
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: little chatter, guys, you know, everyone's kind of excited. There's

900
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: like sixteen and the whole team is out there. This

901
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: is just rookies. It's like sixteen guys, and there's all

902
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: the coaches up in the back and there's like there's

903
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: like they're not they're like coach assistance. They're guys that

904
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: are trying to become coaches, but they're like little do boys,

905
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: so they gotta do everything. They gotta turn on the

906
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: lights and fucking get everything ready. And all of a sudden,

907
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: like and all of a sudden, one of the coaches assistance,

908
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: he comes comes over the middle of auditory and puts

909
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: the podium, sits down. Everyone sits down, and and fucking

910
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: Bill walks in the lights like shine up. Place gets

911
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: completely silent. All of a sudden, he singles someone out.

912
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: He's I think he's singled Uh, it was probably Chunk.

913
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: He'd always single out, but you know, the first round

914
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: guy because you know, hey, you're not you're not a

915
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: first rounder anymore. You're all trying to make this team.

916
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: And he goes, who's that on the wall because all

917
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: the walls had all these like moments of last year

918
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: of players making cool plays. He shows a picture of

919
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: Logan Mankins. He goes, who's that or or Matt Light

920
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: one of the two, and he goes, I don't know,

921
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: and he goes, he don't fucking know. I don't know

922
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: if it was Pat, I don't know who's singled that.

923
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: But he goes, you need to tell me. You're a rookie,

924
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: never even played in the game, and you're gonna have

925
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be sitting here and three weeks

926
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna know his fucking name. After that,

927
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: everyone went to like the guy who's in the operations

928
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: guy gave me a print out of like of everyone's

929
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: name everyone, like in the fucking cafeteria, people around the hallways,

930
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: people are like study like you know what I mean.

931
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: He wouldn't like pick on a guy, but he would

932
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: What he would do was he would he would he

933
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: would let everyone know that everyone is accountable for everything,

934
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Which that's like you're on edge,

935
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: your shoulders are back whenever he walks in the room,

936
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: because you never know if he's gonna test you what

937
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, so like, especially your young guy first time,

938
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: first team meeting, that that, and that's when you're like,

939
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's done differently here. And then a couple

940
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: of weeks later you start seeing the veterans come in

941
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: and you see how they work, you see the time

942
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: they put in. You know, it's not like, you know,

943
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: the superstars are over here dilly dacking around. They're they're

944
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: working their asses off, They're doing things to get better,

945
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And that you know I

946
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: there's no specific fucking playbook of the Patriot Way. You

947
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: just see it through actions of people that have been there.

948
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: You know, Teddy Bruski walks in and it's Teddy Bruski

949
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: still working his ask Kevin Falk, Tom Brady, Randy Moss,

950
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: West Welker, you know, like the studs. These guys went

951
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: eighteen and one last year. I was still like a

952
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: little kid. So like it is like, all right, yeah,

953
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: that's the Patriot Way. When you see the top of

954
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: the top working their tail off, holding everyone, holding themselves accountable,

955
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: being reliable, being dependable, Do you eventually develop a relationship

956
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: with coach Belichick that you're able to relax? Is there

957
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: is there a point in time once you learn how

958
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: it's done and you become one of the older guys.

959
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: Does that happen ever or is it always? Yeah, it

960
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: happens a little bit here, it happens. But I mean

961
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: he he'll still get on you if you don't. If

962
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: you're not it doesn't matter who you were, if you

963
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: weren't producing, and if you did something wrong and you

964
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: need to be coached, you can coach it, you know,

965
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: which I don't know how, you know, like, but it

966
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: got to a point where I could walk by him

967
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: and like in the hallway and like, hey, coach, Like

968
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: I'd always give him like one of those hey coach,

969
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: have you just like fuckingman, I go, but I don't.

970
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: That was like year eight eight years. Oh that's crazy

971
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: that long? Really Yeah, I mean, I mean you could

972
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: tell when like he would dick with you. That means

973
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: you're not you're in the game. But like like like

974
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: little things, it's very hard to explain. It could be

975
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: a look, it would it didn't even have to be

976
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: the words. It could be a look or a smile,

977
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: a grin. Yeah. That there's like a lot of nonverbal

978
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: communication that goes on. Interesting that's going on all the time.

979
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: Brady now has referred to as his security blanket, his

980
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: little brother. This is the guy you looked up to

981
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: and pretended to be when you're a kid. Who were

982
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: you more nervous or intimidated to meet and work with

983
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: Bill or Tom bhil I was more like scared and nervous.

984
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: That's the coach, you know. Tom was like, I mean,

985
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: you'd feel that same. You never want to let anyone

986
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: when you let someone, like when you do like a

987
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: mental era Emmy on a player, he didn't do something

988
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: the way it was. I felt like I was getting

989
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: cut at those early years. You know what I mean.

990
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to disappoint him because ultimately, you know,

991
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, if the guy can't do him practicing

992
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: and can do in the game, so that you're limited

993
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: the opportunity, especially as some brown guy. So you know

994
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: you're definitely nervous. But to meet Tom and you know,

995
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: be around him, that was just kind of like Dan boy,

996
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: get a little fan, a little like, oh man, what's

997
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: up Tom? Hey? How are you doing? Like I the

998
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: first time I met him, I'm running too? Like a

999
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: special teams like pre meeting, like a meeting pre pre meeting.

1000
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: A guy would have to go to like the special

1001
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: team's coach, like fifteen minutes before the meeting, or like

1002
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: sometimes even hours before the meeting, and like he would

1003
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: explain everything in the meeting to me, and then I

1004
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: had to, you know, like he just wanted that he

1005
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: was my guy, Scotty. He was looking out. That's the

1006
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: way of a guy looking out for you. He's preparing,

1007
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, he was gonna give me the meeting for

1008
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: the meeting. So it was just reiteration, reiteration. Reators should

1009
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: give this kid a shot. If he knows his ship,

1010
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to play. So I love that

1011
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: that he did that, but I had to go to

1012
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: so many meetings. I'm running in with the fucking like

1013
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: three and a half inch binder with the playbook because

1014
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: we didn't have iPads back then at that time. I

1015
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: went to iPads like two or three years later. And uh,

1016
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: I'm running through like a chicken. My head cut off.

1017
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like I'm going like five minutes early

1018
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: to the pre pre meeting because you know it, you're

1019
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: trying to make a team. I'm running over and through

1020
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: the gates to the locker room or the doors. Tom

1021
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: walks in and I'm like and like drop my binder.

1022
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh ship Tom Brady. He's like he knew,

1023
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: he like knew my name. He goes Julian Tom. I'm like,

1024
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: nice to meet you, Tom. Trying to play it cool,

1025
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: but but you're like the nerdy kids in school who

1026
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: drops his binder on the ground, like like big gloved. Yeah,

1027
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: when he's following the chan a little girl or whatever.

1028
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: That's good. I got like, I got like like uh

1029
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: and then I had to go back and go to

1030
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: the meeting. It was like made my day met Tom Brady, right,

1031
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: you were. I mean, you did so much for the team.

1032
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: I mean not only all of this stuff. During your career,

1033
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: you end up playing some safety when when you guys

1034
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: need it was that fun for you, Oh corner, it

1035
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: was Nicols, So it's the third corner that comes in

1036
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: and plays the slot defender. That was all. I had

1037
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: a blast. That was fun. Um. You know, delivering a

1038
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: hit is sometimes better than receiving a hit, I'm sure.

1039
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: And it was just a fun experience. And I can

1040
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: play defense in Pop Warner literally and I was a

1041
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: quarterback and then Bill one meeting or one day Josh

1042
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: Bowyer who's the defensive coordinator for He's the defensive coordinator

1043
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: somewhere right somewhere right now. I should know that I'm

1044
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: an analyst. But he comes up to be pre game

1045
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: like we were going we were going through guys, like,

1046
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: guys are getting hurt. That's the thing about the league, man,

1047
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: It's it's fifty three guys, but there's a hundred percent

1048
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: injury rate. And you know you're going through guys, guys

1049
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: coming off the street. And goes, see, hey, come up

1050
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: to me before team meeting. He guys, you're gonna be

1051
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: with us today. I'm like, what, let me never be

1052
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: with you? And he goes, hey, you're gonna be with

1053
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: us Nicol. We're gonna throw in Nickel a couple of things.

1054
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: See what you could do? And I was like, oh, show.

1055
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: So it was fun. I loved it. It was it

1056
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: was it was a It was so fun. Honestly, defense

1057
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: is different. You could run around and hit people, and

1058
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, like if you know conceptually what the offense like,

1059
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: I could cheat because I knew concepts down in distance.

1060
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: Not cheap, but I was just very informed on like

1061
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: situational type offensive play. So it helped me. And then

1062
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, going back to offense, it helped me to

1063
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: sit in meetings and learn the techniques of the defensive

1064
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: backs and what they're trying to do with Lena scrimmage,

1065
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: and what they're trying to do once they're in phase,

1066
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: out of phase, you know, on certain coverage I was learning.

1067
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: So it was it was honestly, it was. It was

1068
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: a great thing for my progression to the player I became. Yeah,

1069
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's actually really interesting. I've talked to some

1070
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: other guys in the league about that. That having the

1071
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: perspective of the other side. In other words, as an

1072
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: offensive player, you have a sense of what the defense

1073
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: is doing and how to beat them in some ways

1074
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: better than guys who are exclusively defensive players. Right, and

1075
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: what you're looking at from the other side gives you

1076
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: the ability in some way to know and read what's

1077
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: effective on the other side of the ball, right, Yes, sir,

1078
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: and that and that's what you know. You see a

1079
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: lot of that, like with coaches when you see, like

1080
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: I I referenced, the coach's assistant who's like the coffee guy.

1081
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: So a lot of the times when they're early on

1082
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: in their life, like Matt Patricity did this. Who's you know,

1083
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: technically an offensive line coach this year for the New

1084
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: England Patriots. But he started he wanted to be a

1085
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: defensive coach. I think Bill sent him to offense and

1086
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: he had to learn the offensive line person that he crossed,

1087
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: he crossed teaches them, you know. So he has to

1088
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: stick on offense for two or three years, learn offense,

1089
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: and then he throws him back on defense. He's done

1090
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: that with a few different coaches, you know, And I

1091
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: got to have that kind of like experience through a player,

1092
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: which was, you know, awesome. Yeah. I mean, look, we

1093
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: could talk all day about your career with the Patriots.

1094
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: You end up at the end of your career or

1095
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: being the number two player in the history of the

1096
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: NFL too, Jerry Rice, who helped teach your work ethic

1097
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: in both yards and receptions in the playoffs. You win

1098
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: three Super Bowls with the New England Patriots, Super Bowl

1099
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: for one and fifty three Super Bowl MVP with I

1100
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: don't know, I read that it was over half of

1101
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: the receiving yards. It felt like you were the entire

1102
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: offense in Super Bowl fifty three against the Rams, just

1103
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: an unbelievable career. But super Bowl fifty one, I want

1104
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: to talk about just really briefly, when you're down so

1105
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: big to the Falcons, by the way, my hometown team

1106
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: who have had to win a Super Bowl, Atlanta, also

1107
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: the Red and the Blue. My friend, Yes, when you

1108
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: said to um what you said to him at halftime,

1109
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: did you believe you could come back? Honestly, I did.

1110
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be tough, and I knew

1111
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: the percentages were down. But like, first off, there's never

1112
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: really a There hasn't been a blow out on Super

1113
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: Bowl in a while. I mean there wasn't kind of

1114
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: thirteam with Denver and Color at Carolina. But I ain't

1115
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna blow us out, Okay, and you're not gonna blow

1116
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: We're a hard like we're a mentally tough football team.

1117
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some things to happen, which we we

1118
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: helped produce a lot of the production of the Atlanta

1119
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: Falcons through turnovers a pixel, you know what I mean,

1120
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: Like we gave them a lot, but we also were

1121
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: moving the ball and we were doing things. There are

1122
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: a couple of things we were doing well. But if

1123
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: we were tightened up a little bit here and there.

1124
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't get to really see much of

1125
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: our defense. We were setting him up for shitty uh

1126
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: fuel position a bunch and they were like, they didn't

1127
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: really get to open up their game plan. So once

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01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: we got back on track after that resettlement of halftime,

1129
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, being a raw rock guy, Yeah, we're gonna

1130
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: do it this that, And first third down, I dropped

1131
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: a third down like I would have been I probably

1132
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: would have broke a tackle, and it was a man

1133
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: covers a little under route and I was under gone.

1134
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: I had him, you know, And after that, I was like, fuck,

1135
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, but that's gonna be tough. It's gonna be

1136
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: tough now. And then you know, things started and everyone

1137
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: kept on saying, you can't win the game with one play,

1138
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: You can't go out one place is not winning a game.

1139
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: So why don't we just try to do our job?

1140
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: Why doesn't everybody? If we all do our job collectively,

1141
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: the unit will win each every play and we'll see

1142
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: where we go from there. And that's what started happening.

1143
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: You know. You start, you started feeling momentum coming our way,

1144
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: and we we started everyone started honing in. Everyone did

1145
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: put a little extra into their mental capacity of like,

1146
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: all right, hey, I need to just do this. Let's

1147
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: go to our fundamentals of each and every play. If

1148
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: this happens, we know this, there's chance of this happened.

1149
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: There's sixty percent chance of this happening. Let's like let's hone,

1150
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: let's honeing it in and let's do it. And and

1151
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, we went out and we did it. It

1152
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: was crazy, and watching that game, it's still crazy, but

1153
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: that was that team's mind. You know. I played on

1154
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: some really crazily strong, mentally strong football teams and and

1155
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: to to see that one, that team that two thousand

1156
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: and seventeen year, like to be down that far and

1157
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: and especially in the Super Bowl to go we we've

1158
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: been down a bunch, Like I kept on thinking of

1159
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: like back when we were playing thirteen. We were playing

1160
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: uh Cleveland, we needed like two scores and like a

1161
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: minute and thirty and we somehow won that game. You know.

1162
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: On then Denver was up twenty four, oh on us

1163
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: in in thirteen, and we came back and won that

1164
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: game at half. After the half, we had like these

1165
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: comeback wins. So I was like, like we could do this,

1166
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: Like you're you're playing all scenarios in your head. And

1167
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: I also had some thoughts like damn, we ain't gonna

1168
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: do this, you know what I mean? So like I

1169
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: bounced it back and forth and and the thing that

1170
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: ultimately keeps your mind in the right places when what

1171
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, the coaches always preaches, think about what you

1172
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: got to do for your job. Yeah, is your catch

1173
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: with a couple of minutes to go that ends up

1174
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: tying the score shortly after? Is that the greatest catch

1175
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl history? I don't know. There's some good catches.

1176
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: There's some you know, Julio had an unbelievable toe tap.

1177
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan that that toe tap like outbreaking route, like

1178
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: a thirty yard ball down the field on the sideline,

1179
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: jumps over hand and face that was a great catch.

1180
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: The helmet catches a really good there's something really good catches,

1181
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: you know. To be even put in that category, or

1182
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: to even be asked that question, I'll take that you

1183
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: didn't answer, just pointing it out, just pointing it out.

1184
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: My cots deception didn't work. Oh yes, Oh gosh, it's no.

1185
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: You have to do the Patriots way anymore. They're not

1186
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: paying you. Bill is not gonna come walking in the

1187
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: room and give you ship. No, you can answer the question. Now,

1188
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: that's a really good call back. I honestly think that

1189
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard to put one onto Okay, alright, fine,

1190
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: I have another Super Bowl question for you. In Super

1191
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: Bowl forty nine, the end of the game, did you

1192
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: think Marshawn was getting the ball? And were you? Were

1193
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: you surprised or glad that he didn't? Uh? D all

1194
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: of the above. It's Marshawn Lynche. You know a lot

1195
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: of people fail to to mention. And Dante high Tower

1196
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: on the play right before that play where he brought

1197
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: down Marshawn Lynch while taking on a blocker. The play

1198
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: right before the pick saved the game, you know. And

1199
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: and that was probably the reason why, because we we

1200
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: threw in our personnel group that was like straight run,

1201
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: like run gun, We're blitzing every you know what I mean.

1202
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: It was one of those all out blitzes and uh

1203
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: thank god they didn't. Yeah, thank god they didn't. You

1204
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: don't know the butterfly effect on that one. Yeah. Uh.

1205
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, you win the m v P in

1206
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty three of all of York of all

1207
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: the games with the Patriots, of all of the the moments,

1208
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: the plays, do you have one that stands out above

1209
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: all else? Ah, I mean the Super Bowl fifty three.

1210
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: The hill I had to climb that year. It was

1211
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: fucking early, you know, I tear my c H. I

1212
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: gets spended and like I said, after an a c

1213
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: L you know, those traumatic injury, especially a guy that

1214
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: has to run like you learn how like that was

1215
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: a huge thing. And I was like I was in

1216
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: my It's not like I was twenty two, you know

1217
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, I had a lot of

1218
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: things going on on the field off the field. To

1219
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 1: end that that was the hardest year of my life.

1220
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: And to end it the way our team got to

1221
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: and and I got to it was you know that

1222
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: that was such a and also experience and something great

1223
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: for like me as a as a person to to know,

1224
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, like you always I've been through some a

1225
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: lot of adverse situations. But you gotta continually do those

1226
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: kind of things. You gotta contin It's not. Oh, it's

1227
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: not easy. You know when people always some people will

1228
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: come to you and say, like, man, it's so crazy

1229
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: this your story is that Well, there's gonna be like

1230
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: ten other stories that you have to you know, continually

1231
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: do and anytime you get to chalk up a win,

1232
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: it's hard to win, you know, and anything, and and

1233
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, to win that with my folks there, my family,

1234
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: my daughter, Like that was amazing. That was like one

1235
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: of the happiest days of my life, just just through

1236
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: the like the pressure, like it was just a long year.

1237
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: That was like a really tough year, Like mentally emotionally

1238
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: it was you know, you're not feeling physically right because

1239
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: you don't you don't become like that's a process when

1240
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: you tear your a c o. Like your you can

1241
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: go out and play in like eight months, nine months,

1242
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: Like you can run routes, I could look good, but

1243
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: can you continually compound and have this like endurance to

1244
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: go out and like each week, like you're you feel

1245
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: like crap, you can't walk till Thursday. Then you come

1246
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: back and you you get ready for the next week.

1247
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: And like then at the end of the year, you're

1248
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: starting to feel like your knees getting better a little bit,

1249
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you're you're putting that

1250
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: yardage on your leg. Your your body's adapting and like

1251
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: it was that was that was cool. And the way

1252
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: we did it too was we weren't supposed to win

1253
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: it and that was awesome. Wasn't my favorite, but that's

1254
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: one of my favorite moments, not necessarily the win, but

1255
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: like that feeling after with my folks, my family. Yeah,

1256
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: once again overcoming adversity. I've I've noticed on your social

1257
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: media you it's possible you're a little bit of a

1258
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: fan of a television show called The Office. We had

1259
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: in our seventh year, near the end, we had Steve

1260
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: Carrell Michael Scott leave the show. Talk to me a

1261
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: little bit about your feelings when Brady leaves for the Buccaneers.

1262
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was at that time it was tough.

1263
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: You know, you become really like we spend more time

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01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: with the guys in that locker room, especially in those

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: those months in the season. I mean we're putting in

1266
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen hour days. You know, people, and it's not

1267
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: just like the on field stuff. It's stay off the

1268
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: field stuff. You like going to work with people you

1269
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: love and that that makes you better, you know, like

1270
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: that having that and you know it was a mixed

1271
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: emotions though you wanted him and his family to be

1272
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: happy and and satisfied with everything, and and so it's

1273
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: that's a part of this game. It sucks. But every year,

1274
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: regardless of the team, there's gonna be new coaches, there's

1275
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna be new players. And I never thought like that

1276
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: would be hard because we were so accustomed to that.

1277
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: But that was that was hard. It's one of your

1278
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: best it's one of your best friends, a guy that

1279
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: has done so much for you and your in in

1280
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: my life, a lot of guys and for that organization,

1281
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, that was a very that was that was tough.

1282
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: But then instantly you turn on, well like, now we

1283
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: gotta go out and we got a we gotta go

1284
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: find a way to win without them. And we didn't

1285
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: do much of that that year. Mhm. Right, if you

1286
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: were a character in the office, who would you be?

1287
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 1: I'd probably be you. Secretly, everyone thinks so he's not

1288
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: the sharpest tool in the shed. But you know, I

1289
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: know how you got that money to buy that bar.

1290
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: At the end, you're easily in the whole time, you're

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01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: the smartest one there. All right, Well, listen, that's a theory.

1292
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: That's a that's a theory. Julia, I just came up

1293
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: with that. Whoo who would Tom be uh Dwight? Uh? Yeah?

1294
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: Good good? What about? What about? What about Bill Correl?

1295
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: What like? Yeah? Yeah, he probably would. I don't know.

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01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: Buil builds his own guy. It's hard to put he's

1297
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,560
Speaker 1: his own character. I couldn't put one on him. But

1298
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: he's the he's the world's best boss, right, self proclaimed?

1299
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: Who said that? So No, I'm just saying he's the

1300
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: world's best boss, right like that's Michael Scott. He's got

1301
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 1: the mug that says world that means it's self proclaimed

1302
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: from him. Yeah. I'm a little nervous talking about Bill lately, honestly,

1303
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: because I've been doing it too much. And I gotta

1304
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: go to a practice here soon. And I know because

1305
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: he's already gave me one of the talks like how

1306
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: can I turn on the fucking TV and I see

1307
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: you impersonate me all the time? Like he gave one

1308
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: of those, and I still love the guy. Yeah, no more,

1309
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: no more, no, no more. You're done with impersonating again.

1310
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: I hear you have a hell impersonation. I gotta I

1311
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: gotta put it on old. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.

1312
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: I gotta feel that The next time I see him,

1313
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, already already gave a couple

1314
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: after the last time I saw him, and he already

1315
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: said that what I just said like poking a little

1316
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: fun at me. But I don't know if it's really fun.

1317
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: Is it fun? Is he joking? Is he not choking?

1318
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: Is he throwing like a mind trick on me? Is

1319
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: he do using the forest like this? Dude's fool. I

1320
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: got some cards behind there something, there's a card behind there.

1321
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: There's a card you don't know. I am fascinated to

1322
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: see what happens with the Patriots this year. Fascinated it's

1323
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: it's it'll be very, very interesting. The no offensive coordinator

1324
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 1: who's calling place? Thing? Is this a Jedi mind trick?

1325
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 1: Or does it fail? And I'm not even asking you,

1326
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I personally me, I'm not putting this

1327
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: on you. I'm not asking you to say anything. I'm

1328
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: saying I'm fascinated to see how it how it plays out.

1329
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: I am too, I mean, this is this is a

1330
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: big challenge. This is you know, and but who would you?

1331
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows? This guy's coach Melichick's probably like

1332
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: I need this challenge. I want to see I'm gonna

1333
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, who knows, I don't. That's

1334
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: so that's so interesting. I was thinking exactly the same

1335
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: thing the other day. So I have I've been at

1336
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: at at two golf clubs, clubs where golf happens, and

1337
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: there are pros at golf clubs, and the pros at

1338
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: golf clubs sometimes get bored with golf because all they

1339
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: do is play golf and hit golf balls and show

1340
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: people how to hit golf balls. And twice two different

1341
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: guys that I know have decided that the game has

1342
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: become too easy, and so they are they learned how

1343
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: to play left handed. And I was literally just thinking

1344
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 1: the same thing about Bill. Has doing it the standard

1345
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: way become too easy. Now, let's do something just a

1346
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: little bit different and see if we can approach or

1347
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: learn or be balanced in a new way trying something new.

1348
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think I believe, you know, there's

1349
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: some I don't know that I see who knows that?

1350
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: But you know, like there's so many other variables that

1351
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: people like when you're in the building, you know what

1352
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: goes down, Like there's something that like he probably could

1353
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: have had something lines something went through. This didn't happen,

1354
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: that happened. This happened, you know. But it's gonna be very,

1355
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: definitely interesting to see the developmental stage, the developments of

1356
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, you know, going in without a guy like

1357
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: that's a big relationship, an offensive coordinator, the guy who

1358
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: calls the play with with you know, a young quarterback

1359
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: trying to thrive and trying to blossom in this system.

1360
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's Josh McDaniels. He's a great offensive you know,

1361
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's a really good he knows x's

1362
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: and knows he knows that there's an art to calling plays,

1363
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm not I'm not. I'm confident that

1364
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, Bill called plays for the Cleveland Browns on offense.

1365
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that, but he did.

1366
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: You know that some happened, but he called plays. So

1367
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: he's called plays on offense. But the games evolved, and

1368
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 1: if there's anyone who can do it, though, if anyone

1369
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: in the league can do it, that's the man. But

1370
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be fucking crazy. That's gonna

1371
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: be a tough one. But if anyone can it's Bill.

1372
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: Uh you retire from the NFL one just last year

1373
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: in April. Within three hours you have a new job

1374
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: there at inside the NFL. Uh. Congratulations on that. Congratulations

1375
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: on what you're doing. I love listening to you and

1376
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: hearing your insights, both from your time there and what

1377
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: you see. I'm sure you still are the hardest working

1378
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: man and doing your research to keep all of us

1379
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: understanding what what's going on out there. I appreciate that

1380
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: so much. You've got a kid's book, this was a

1381
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: while ago. Trilogy, you have a trilogy trilogy. Well, this

1382
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: just made me laugh. The squirrel named Jewels, and a

1383
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: goat named Tom, and an old owl named you. Gotta

1384
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: see the pictures too. It's pretty it's pretty cool. Those

1385
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: are fun. Yeah. I mean you could have hidden it

1386
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 1: a little bit better than that. But Jules and Tom

1387
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: and the old and the Old, the old wise owl

1388
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: and now breaking news. Games with Names new podcast launching

1389
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: very soon. Just announced What can you tell me about

1390
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: your new podcast? Games with Names? Well, Games with Names

1391
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 1: and partnered with this comic Sam Morrel. Very funny, very funny,

1392
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: Upper East Side kid from New York. You know, been

1393
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: a fan of his for a long time. And what

1394
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: he's been doing, and uh, I wanted to start a podcast.

1395
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: And we've been sitting around thinking about ideas of what

1396
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: what can we do a podcast? All? You know, I like,

1397
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: I like to talk. I want to talk maybe a

1398
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: little bit here and there. I got some insight. And

1399
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: my buddy who just so happens his name is Kyler.

1400
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: He's just one of our he's part of Coast Productions,

1401
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: one of our directors, huge part of our business. He

1402
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: comes in one day after Thanksgiving. This was like a

1403
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: year and a half ago when we started developing this

1404
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: thing and he goes, yeah, ranted an old kid at

1405
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: a sports bar, and we didn't know each other, but

1406
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: we recognized playing football against each other. And it was

1407
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: crazy to hear his perspective of this crazy game we

1408
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: played in and my perspective. And you know, we wanted

1409
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: to hear the crazy perspective of important games and people's lives,

1410
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, And so we wanted to find the best

1411
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: game with the greatest names. And then that's what this

1412
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: is the sports history podcast. Over fun games. You know,

1413
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: everyone talks about the Goat greatest of all time? What

1414
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: about the Dog the greatest of all games? We need

1415
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 1: to find the dog. What's the greatest game? Everyone's always

1416
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: arguing about it, Like now, is it the Statue Liberty

1417
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: game with Boise State, Oklahoma? Remember that crazy game? Is

1418
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: it the eighteen and one Giant loss against the Giants

1419
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: and the Patriots? You know? And then there's also cool

1420
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: games that like you get to you get to talk with,

1421
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: like we had Ricky Williams on and then to talk

1422
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: about when he was at University of Texas and he

1423
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: broke Tony Dorset's all perfectly broke every record and that

1424
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: was like his going to hear his perspective on that

1425
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: game and like how he prepared, what was going on

1426
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: in pop culture back in It's a fun podcast with

1427
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: some you know, guys just having conversations talking crap, you know,

1428
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: me and Sam and I'm super excited. I'm super excited

1429
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 1: for it. It's it's been really fun, you know, especially

1430
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: with the guys that we've had on. I don't know

1431
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: if I'm supposed to tell every guys, but you know,

1432
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: we had Michael Irving, We had Paul Pierce talk about

1433
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: the wheelchair game. Did he shoot his pants? Did he

1434
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: not shoot his pants? We get the direct answer from

1435
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce himself. That's called a teasers. And then we

1436
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: also that's a teaser. We had eight We had Eli

1437
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: and Teddy Brusky come and talk about the eight teen

1438
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: and one. Teddy Bruski's first time ever talking about this game.

1439
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a fact, but he usually

1440
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 1: doesn't talk about losses. So we're gonna run with it.

1441
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 1: Elis on there. We had Peyton when he started the

1442
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: season off with the game he threw seven touchdowns when

1443
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: he just signed Welker from tom and he comes out

1444
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: and lights up a seven game, a seven touchdown opening

1445
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: game against defending Super Bowl champions in the Baltimore Cold

1446
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: or Baltimore Ravens. Like, we're gonna have some We're gonna

1447
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: get Joe Namath on this bad Boy. We're gonna get

1448
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of people. It's gonna be it's it's it's

1449
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 1: been fun and we've already got a bunch in in

1450
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 1: in the books and I'm I'm excited. And you know,

1451
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: Sam has been awesome to work with. He's a he's

1452
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: I have to, like, you know, I have to learn

1453
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: how to come up with something when he says something

1454
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: so funny to like, like my comeback skills are are

1455
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: kind of weak right now because when you work with

1456
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: the comic they're just so witty. They're on top of you,

1457
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: like you could drill. You could throw like a you know,

1458
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: a dick joke out like in front of Kurt Warner

1459
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: and make it somehow like I don't know, it's weird,

1460
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? All congratulations on that. I

1461
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: cannot wait to listen. Just annount breaking news here on

1462
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: off the beat. What's the what's the game you think

1463
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: we should do? What's your favorite game? What? What? What

1464
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: is your greatest game of all time? What's your dog

1465
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: greatest of all games? But not necessarily football, right, No,

1466
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: it's all sports we're doing. We're gonna we're getting soccer

1467
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: on here. We're getting it all. Get a NASCAR will

1468
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: make some wrestling. I think both. You could make an

1469
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: argument for either Game six or Game seven of the

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Speaker 1: one World Series between the Atlanta Braves and the Minnesota Twins.

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Speaker 1: Kirby Puckett hits the home run and then the next

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Speaker 1: game small pitches you need to get smalt. Maybe for

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Speaker 1: Game seven of what many people consider the greatest World

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Speaker 1: Series of all time between the Braves and the twins.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that one just popped into my brain.

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Speaker 1: Um small Smaalty. If Smalty would talk about it, he

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Speaker 1: probably hasn't talked about it ever, So that would be

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Speaker 1: That would be something football man doesn't have to be.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the the USC Texas college football game. That's gotta be

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Speaker 1: up there. We're gonna cover that bad boy. That Rose

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Speaker 1: Bowl was unreal. That was right when I was in

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Speaker 1: college too. Yeah, I was an electric game. That That's

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Speaker 1: when the Rose Bowl was cool. Yeah, you want to

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Speaker 1: you want to know the greatest sporting game. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's a game that I ever witnessed live.

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Speaker 1: I was very I was young. I was young, but

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Speaker 1: I was there at the Olympics when Kerry Strong broke

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Speaker 1: her ankle and they won the gold medal. I was

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Speaker 1: there in Atlanta. We might have to get that race

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Speaker 1: with me. We gotta get you come on and talk

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Speaker 1: about that. We'll get it. We'll get We'll get the winners.

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Speaker 1: And what is it the four by one who broke

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Speaker 1: their ankle, the carry struck the gymnast when the women

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Speaker 1: won the gold medal. Can do it. You do it, Bella, Carol,

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Speaker 1: you were there. I was there, I was there, that

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Speaker 1: was in Atlanta. There. That's yeah, Wow, that's awesome. We'll

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Speaker 1: have to get you a pretty good I appreciate having

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Speaker 1: congratulations on that. Julian, congratulations. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming and talking to us. So freaking interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: The your career, how hard you had to work, the

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01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: ups and downs from high school all the way until

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01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: well not anymore. Now you just you retire and you

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: get a new job, and now you've got more. So

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01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't respect you so much anymore. But back then

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01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: you worked hard. Yeah, it's it's it's it's not retired.

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Speaker 1: I mean the no, i'man what they like to call

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01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: the transition phase. You're transitioning. You never really retired. What

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01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: am I gonna sit and do nothing? I can't retire

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Speaker 1: a d D. Julian, thank you so much for being on,

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Speaker 1: No problem, man, I appreciate a big fan. It's it's

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Speaker 1: it's honestly an honor. Julian, my friend, what a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you on today. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming by and talking to me. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: relive some of my all time favorite sports moments with

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01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 1: you on Games with Names listeners, make sure to go

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01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: check that out and thank you for tuning in today.

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Speaker 1: I have been having so much fun expanding into the

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Speaker 1: world of sports. I really hope that you're leaving these

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Speaker 1: feeling inspired in a way. These athletes, the work that

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Speaker 1: they put in, the dedication that they have it is well,

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01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: it's it's mind blowing. So why don't you and you

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Speaker 1: take that inspiration and I want you to do something

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01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: great this week, all right, or just relax, that's cool

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01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: to whatever makes you happy, as long as you were inspired,

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Speaker 1: all right. I'll be back next Tuesday as usual with

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Speaker 1: a brand new episode of Off the Beat, and I

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Speaker 1: will see you then. Off the Beat is hosted an

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Speaker 1: executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Diego Tapia, Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and

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Speaker 1: Emily Carr. Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and

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Speaker 1: our intern is Sammy Cats. Our theme song Bubble and

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Speaker 1: Squeak performed by my great friend Creed Bratton, and the

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Speaker 1: episode was mixed by Seth o'landski.