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Speaker 3: It is a Thursday at the Star in Frisco, inside
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Speaker 3: Savannah Humoler, Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls.
Speaker 4: Is still on a wall.
Speaker 5: A Walls as if you ask me.
Speaker 3: We are eagerly awaiting his return one of these days.
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, we have football players on a
Speaker 3: football field and we are getting ready for the new
Speaker 3: England Patriots coming to town on Sunday afternoon, a three
Speaker 3: twenty five kickoff as the Cowboys wrap up what is
Speaker 3: essentially the first quarter.
Speaker 4: Of the season.
Speaker 3: I know we went to a seventeen game season, it's
Speaker 3: not exactly the first quarter of the season. But in
Speaker 3: my mind, Mickey, this we conclude the preseason. I know
Speaker 3: Nate feels the same. Nate and Frisco feels the same.
Speaker 4: Way.
Speaker 3: We get done with the preseason, regular season games and
Speaker 3: we really start finding out about this football team.
Speaker 5: After four games. And you know, and I was, I
Speaker 5: was thinking about it the other day. You know, they've
Speaker 5: only played three games, and it's been kind of blow
Speaker 5: out save loss, and it seems like every every week,
Speaker 5: everybody's jumping to conclusions, right, and I'm just try to
Speaker 5: warn people it's a little too early to come up
Speaker 5: with these everlasting conclusions for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5: It's like, they lose one game. I heard it, you know,
Speaker 5: on talk radio, and it's like, well, gosh, if they
Speaker 5: lose to New England, then they lose to San Francisco.
Speaker 5: They're sitting there at two and three.
Speaker 4: Then you get the Chargers after that on the.
Speaker 5: Road, right, and if you don't win that game.
Speaker 4: Bye week, you may not even win the bye week.
Speaker 5: That is there, are they going to make a coaching change?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: And it was like, okay, slow down, let's let the
Speaker 5: thing play out. That's why you don't get too excited
Speaker 5: about power rankings, and you know, and one game trends,
Speaker 5: Let's just let it play out.
Speaker 4: As Dion and the Colorado Buffalo is found out.
Speaker 3: Yes, last week, you know, it caught up in the
Speaker 3: excitement and the you know, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the rug can be pulled out.
Speaker 4: From under you. How is it, Savannah?
Speaker 3: Unless you look at the text line, do you get
Speaker 3: a feel this week for the pulse of the Cowboys
Speaker 3: fan out there?
Speaker 7: I have a feeling we're going to get some rolling
Speaker 7: in today. We have a couple in the lineup for us.
Speaker 3: Right for the text, but just a general feel for
Speaker 3: fandom out there.
Speaker 4: Are they?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh yeah, people are excited. We're ready for Sunday.
Speaker 7: Everyone's curious on a few things for defense and offense
Speaker 7: for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: So one thing I want to get into a little
Speaker 3: bit today or special teams. You could play a big
Speaker 3: factor in this game. We know how big special teams
Speaker 3: are through the last couple of decades for the New
Speaker 3: England Patriots, how important they are to the Cowboys as well.
Speaker 3: But make you bring us up to speed on what
Speaker 3: we should know as this day begins out on the
Speaker 3: practice field.
Speaker 5: And we got to see the first half hour of practice.
Speaker 5: Although it's basically individual drills, special teams drills, so nothing
Speaker 5: of too much significance. But they are in pads and
Speaker 5: dressed as if they were going to practice in pads
Speaker 5: where Zach Martin, Tyler Biattish, Chuma Doga no tyrant out there.
Speaker 5: So that was kind of surprising since he was the
Speaker 5: one that was closest to seemingly playing on Sunday, taking
Speaker 5: it all the way to basically hour and a half
Speaker 5: before the game, and Mike said he would continue to
Speaker 5: rehab today. I believe it's a knee.
Speaker 4: Is that right, It's a knee.
Speaker 3: We have an idea that when it started acting up
Speaker 3: on I know it was late.
Speaker 4: In the week.
Speaker 5: I think it was Saturday, so it was the Saturday
Speaker 5: that easy practice.
Speaker 4: This is where, of course.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys many teams practice on Friday.
Speaker 5: Saturday.
Speaker 4: Saturday is off day, travel day if you're.
Speaker 3: Playing, basically a walkthrough, and even for the Cowboys, even
Speaker 3: if they are traveling on Saturday is a workout day, right,
Speaker 3: And so had the Cowboys not had that type of schedule,
Speaker 3: it's something they may have found out on Friday.
Speaker 4: Earlier and better prepared, but still very late in the week.
Speaker 5: So on Wednesday, Zach Martin, Tyler Biattish did not practice
Speaker 5: and then Ceedee Lamb and DeMarcus Lawrence had a rest
Speaker 5: day because of their amount of snaps. I guess they've had,
Speaker 5: but they're out there today. Also, Tuma was listed yesterday
Speaker 5: as limited, but at least he's back out there. So yeah,
Speaker 5: the only one missing in action was Tyron Smith at
Speaker 5: this point. We'll see where that one goes. I noticed
Speaker 5: that their new center that they sign to, the practice squad,
Speaker 5: Billy Price, is in pads and is practicing, so we'll
Speaker 5: see how much ramp on him he needs.
Speaker 4: Don't you think you have a jersey number on Billy?
Speaker 2: It's sixty four.
Speaker 7: Maybe I'll find out.
Speaker 5: Okay, just I don't know if they I don't think
Speaker 5: they did it in time to make the the.
Speaker 4: Ross Rochster on the game release.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I was going to check to see if
Speaker 5: anybody was sixty four, and I, oh, Bostick is sixty four,
Speaker 5: so I was looking for a stray number out there.
Speaker 3: Oh try from that's right for the preseason, yeah, bosti
Speaker 3: practice squad, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 5: So it's interesting because if if even if Tyler Beattish
Speaker 5: is ready to go, they need a backup center and
Speaker 5: they can't elevate brock Hoffman another time. He's already used
Speaker 5: up his allotted three. So somebody has to be the
Speaker 5: backup center, and I don't know if it would be
Speaker 5: Harlow or not, because he's got still three or two
Speaker 5: more elevations left.
Speaker 4: And they seem to like what brock Hoffman did.
Speaker 5: Yes, right, sounded any other option.
Speaker 4: With brock Hoffman.
Speaker 3: You could sign him to the fifty three, right, if
Speaker 3: he's going to be your backup center, if assuming Beyondish.
Speaker 5: Goes, but somebody would have to be right. He really
Speaker 5: have to make a move. Yes, absolutely so, I mean
Speaker 5: I guess if you're making moves for backups, you'll probably say, well,
Speaker 5: I can use somebody else if it's only in a
Speaker 5: backup roll. If I indeed have confidence that be Oddish
Speaker 5: with the hamstring, is you know fully good to go.
Speaker 5: So we'll see where that one hangs out. You mentioned
Speaker 5: special teams and watching the early kicking drills. For some reason,
Speaker 5: Brendan Aubrey was spraying balls today. He usually there's no fade,
Speaker 5: there's no hook, it's straight down the middle, and on
Speaker 5: two consecutive kicks he hit the right up right, and
Speaker 5: then he hit the left up right, and it's like,
Speaker 5: what are you doing? Uh So, anyway, I just happened
Speaker 5: to notice that because the kicks all before that were
Speaker 5: going through, but there was a little hook and fade
Speaker 5: to him unless he was experimenting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he was doing, Mickey. Yeah, someone challenged him.
Speaker 4: Let's see, just for grins, can you hook one in can?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Or can you hit the goalposts?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Right, I want to.
Speaker 3: I want you to hit the upright with this one.
Speaker 3: Let's just test your accuracy. Well, you know, that was
Speaker 3: one of the things the game against the Jets. I
Speaker 3: mean it was just a thing of beauty. Yes, seeing
Speaker 3: these kicks out high and true, every.
Speaker 4: Single one of them.
Speaker 5: And even if I mean he.
Speaker 4: Was hitting his drive right down the middle every.
Speaker 5: Time, it's like, uh yeah, I don't know, because it's
Speaker 5: like if you were bowling, you would try to hit
Speaker 5: the one pin to the right in the back, and
Speaker 5: then you try to hit the one pin to the
Speaker 5: left in the back. But that's not what you want
Speaker 5: to do, kicking the floor. No, no, yeah, we're not bullying.
Speaker 3: You want a perfect you want a perfect strike every
Speaker 3: time where you don't leave that.
Speaker 5: I want you to hit the head pin right.
Speaker 3: So, but speaking of special teams, about we were watching
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpin out there and man, just the you thought
Speaker 3: talking about a thing.
Speaker 4: Of beauty, that speed that he runs.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could just glance out on the practice
Speaker 3: field and you see a guy running and you oh,
Speaker 3: that's Cavante out there.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what the other thing is Bill The
Speaker 5: ease he catches the ball with very likely there's no
Speaker 5: false steps, he gets underneath it. He judges it perfectly
Speaker 5: like he's playing center field in baseball.
Speaker 4: Like he's done this before.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And so that was that was the downer
Speaker 5: in the game. When they find got a kick that
Speaker 5: they could return and then it get a big return
Speaker 5: and he gets called they get called for holding it
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage because you know, generally what's happened
Speaker 5: is they I don't think they've returned a kickoff yet.
Speaker 5: They all been touchbacks, and rarely a punt that you're
Speaker 5: not calling a fair catch. That this one was in
Speaker 5: a situation where your guys that were the hold up
Speaker 5: guys on the gunners did their job and he had
Speaker 5: an opportunity to return it. And you saw what happens
Speaker 5: when he can return a punt. As one of the
Speaker 5: coaches was saying, that boy, when they saw that punt,
Speaker 5: it was like oh, we're on our tippy toes because
Speaker 5: here we go, we're going to be able to return
Speaker 5: this one. And then he does what he did and
Speaker 5: the unfortunately he gets called back for holding.
Speaker 3: By the way, Camante Turpin, it seems like has caught
Speaker 3: the attention of the opposing head coach and noticed that.
Speaker 3: Listen to Bill Belichick's press conference to start this week,
Speaker 3: and he went on and on talking about every aspect
Speaker 3: of the Cowboys team, and when he got around to
Speaker 3: special teams in Cavante Turpin. I don't think he mentioned
Speaker 3: Cavante by name, but he said they've got the best
Speaker 3: return guy in the league.
Speaker 5: Probably that return guy, right, Yeah, but you talk about
Speaker 5: special teams, and yeah, he's only had three three punt returns,
Speaker 5: kickoff returns. Somebody must have squibbed one to Lipke because
Speaker 5: that's the only return they've.
Speaker 4: Had, you know.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is it's been a product of
Speaker 3: the blowout wins the first two weeks too, where your
Speaker 3: fair catch punts when you're up by twenty thirty points anyway, right,
Speaker 3: you know, there's no reason to risk anything. Just go
Speaker 3: out there and catch the ball. And so it's just
Speaker 3: a small sample size all the way around. New England
Speaker 3: has the You talk about special teams players, and they've
Speaker 3: got the premier special teams player in the entire league
Speaker 3: and maybe in the history of the game as far
Speaker 3: as guys who cover kicks, and that's Matthew Slater.
Speaker 4: Ten time Pro Bowler. Matthew Slater is now thirty eight years.
Speaker 5: Old, and he's that old.
Speaker 3: Thirty eight years old, fifth round draft pick back in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, So we're talking sixteenth season in
Speaker 3: the National Football League.
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 5: And I think Mike was asked a question about, you know,
Speaker 5: teams actually draft guys for special teams.
Speaker 3: Well, Belichick did in two thousand and eight and the
Speaker 3: fifth round.
Speaker 5: Supposedly he did it again this year too, for a
Speaker 5: couple of guys. And you mentioned Matthew Slater. So the
Speaker 5: Cowboys had lost those six straight games to New England,
Speaker 5: and the sixth one they lost thirteen to nine. The
Speaker 5: only touchdown in that rain, cold day rainstorm was Slater
Speaker 5: blocking a punt that they recovered at the Cowboys twelve
Speaker 5: yard line and they went in to score the only
Speaker 5: touchdown and it was a thirteen to nine game. He
Speaker 5: was the difference in the ballgame.
Speaker 3: You know, one thing I was thinking about with Slater,
Speaker 3: You take Hall of Fame for a special teams player.
Speaker 3: I mean, if ever there was going to be no
Speaker 3: special teams guy. Of course there's been kickers, maybe a
Speaker 3: return guy. But for a guy who's not a return guy,
Speaker 3: who's not a kicker, he might be the you know,
Speaker 3: ten time Pro Bowler if there's ever going to be one.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what if Rick Goslin is still involved
Speaker 3: in the right when in the Hall of Fame selection,
Speaker 3: he'll be top of the list on him. I don't
Speaker 3: know how how quickly a guy like that would get in,
Speaker 3: but how about that. Imagine that if he were to
Speaker 3: get in the Hall of Fame, you got a father
Speaker 3: son duo in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Jackie Slatys,
Speaker 3: his dad, offensive tackle in this league, is a Pro
Speaker 3: Football Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5: Well, you remember, I think the first time they had
Speaker 5: a special teamer as a Pro Bowl was Bill Bates
Speaker 5: and then they they made a spot for it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was like, well eighty three was his rookie year,
Speaker 5: so it was around eighty four, eighty five something like
Speaker 5: that that he and now they do pick a special
Speaker 5: teams guy so.
Speaker 3: In taping the Mike McCarthy Show this morning, we were
Speaker 3: talking about Matthew Slater and then segued over to the
Speaker 3: Cowboys version of Matthew Slater, who is c J. Goodwin,
Speaker 3: and coach McCarthy cannot say enough.
Speaker 5: Good He had a good game too about Yeah. As
Speaker 5: a matter of fact, it was CJ. Goodwin's work on
Speaker 5: the outside that allowed Turpin to get that kick that
Speaker 5: punt return the way they did so yeah. And by
Speaker 5: the way, and he made a tackle on the one
Speaker 5: kickoff that it wasn't a much back. He made the tackle,
Speaker 5: if I remember.
Speaker 3: And by the way, the first big play of the
Speaker 3: season against the Giants, that was part of the work,
Speaker 3: even though he doesn't get credit for it because one
Speaker 3: yea Thomas got the blocked field goal, right, it was
Speaker 3: c J. Goodwin who whispered in his ear and set
Speaker 3: it up. Yeah yeah, and said, hey, I go this way,
Speaker 3: you go that way.
Speaker 4: You're going to get this.
Speaker 5: Bates was eighty four.
Speaker 3: Eighty four, yeah, thirty nine years ago, the first time
Speaker 3: that they had a special teamer in the.
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl, a non kicking special team, right, right, because
Speaker 5: I guess they used to have to have a deep snapper.
Speaker 5: I wonder how they judged the deep snap.
Speaker 3: Those guys, it seems like they it seems like they around.
Speaker 4: It's like they have their own frati. Right, Okay, you
Speaker 4: you get a Pro Bowl, and you get a Pro.
Speaker 5: Bowl, right, you hit a pro go around sort of
Speaker 5: like they did the previous week with the Special Team's
Speaker 5: NFC Special Teams Play of the Week. They didn't give
Speaker 5: it to Aubrey for kicking you know, five field goals.
Speaker 5: They gave it to a punterd at four punks.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I just remember this.
Speaker 3: There used to be you know, prior to the Pro
Speaker 3: Bowl was played in Hawaii for years, but prior to
Speaker 3: that it was played in different stadiums here in the mainland,
Speaker 3: and one year it was at Texas Stadium. In nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy three, I went to the game three or seventy four.
Speaker 4: I remember going to the game.
Speaker 3: But I remember Walk Garrison telling the story he was
Speaker 3: like on the Pro Bowl Taxi squad just in case,
Speaker 3: in case somebody came up a lame they because he
Speaker 3: was in town. He was like, okay, and he might
Speaker 3: have got added to the team. I have to look
Speaker 3: it up. In seventy three when the Pro Bowl was
Speaker 3: played here. I think he was either at the game
Speaker 3: or at least hanging out at practice that week just
Speaker 3: in case somebody got hurt and he needed to be added. Well,
Speaker 3: it came to him and said, hey, we need somebody
Speaker 3: and Kate, we gotta have enough running backs for this game.
Speaker 4: And that was kind of funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't make it in.
Speaker 4: Seven, Okay, all right? Did he make it any year?
Speaker 5: I thought he made it one year. He had a
Speaker 5: bunch of rushing yards, but just but I yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't think. I don't see that he made it.
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Speaker 5: the month, not the week, the month.
Speaker 3: And it was a great line by Mike McCarthy during
Speaker 3: the press conference too. He was also the defensive player
Speaker 3: of the month and training camp.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, that was that's right. Matter of fact,
Speaker 5: I wrote that. Doubt I forgot he said that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was good.
Speaker 3: And by the way, the defensive Rookie of the Month
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Speaker 4: As well, the AFC guy.
Speaker 3: It was described as the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month,
Speaker 3: NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month.
Speaker 5: And it was Christian Zalas from the Colony, the colony
Speaker 5: right down the rookie.
Speaker 4: Actually he started.
Speaker 3: He was at Carrollton Creek View, who's not known for
Speaker 3: the football prowess, and wound up at the Colony and
Speaker 3: it's a very athletic family.
Speaker 5: They developed that quarterback.
Speaker 4: Try blow, Yeah, I tried. He's from Creek View.
Speaker 5: He was the guy Purdue, right, that's right. I told
Speaker 5: you that story. Uh, Purdue was getting ready to play
Speaker 5: Missouri and I went up to Anthony Brown, who went
Speaker 5: to Purdue. Yes, and I said, so what do you got?
Speaker 5: You got a quarterback? And he goes, yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: know about this team and I'm not sure about the quarterback. Well,
Speaker 5: the quarterback threw for five hundred yards.
Speaker 4: On Monday.
Speaker 5: I went back and I said, you better be a
Speaker 5: good player because you're a bad scout.
Speaker 3: And by the way, you mentioned Anthony Brown. I remember
Speaker 3: last week we were talking about Anthony Brown getting released
Speaker 3: by San Francisco before there Thursday nine, and he got
Speaker 3: resigned the next day, right, So we might be seeing
Speaker 3: Anthony Brown next week when the Cowboys play the Niners. Right.
Speaker 5: So all right, So question for you guys is Cowboys
Speaker 5: coming off a loss. What do you think? What do
Speaker 5: you think is going through their brain right now?
Speaker 4: Sevana? What do you think?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 7: I sat in on the press conference today with Mickey,
Speaker 7: and I feel like the emphasis that coach McCarthy was
Speaker 7: trying to make was them developing their system to be
Speaker 7: better in the red zone. I think that they are
Speaker 7: focused on that at the current moment, making sure we
Speaker 7: are efficient in the red zone, you know.
Speaker 5: And it would certainly help if you can get you know,
Speaker 5: you're not playing with three fifths of backups on your
Speaker 5: offensive line. Once you get to the red zone, as
Speaker 5: we talked about yesterday. The good thing is is they
Speaker 5: gotten there more than any other team in the league
Speaker 5: fifteen times. The downside is you got to convert and
Speaker 5: they haven't done that. But I think with if they
Speaker 5: can at least get two of those guys back, then
Speaker 5: you know, I think you got a better chance to
Speaker 5: run the ball in the red zone. But what is
Speaker 5: the irony of that that they struggled in the red
Speaker 5: zone getting into the end zone? And who should show
Speaker 5: up the next week but Ezekiel Elliot? How does that happen?
Speaker 5: Of course, It's just amazing. And that was one of
Speaker 5: the things Bill, you and I were harping on even
Speaker 5: in training camp about you know, his a Bill and
Speaker 5: I went back and looked at it. Twelve touchdowns, Ten
Speaker 5: of them came in the in the in the red zone,
Speaker 5: nine of them, nine of them were one yard runs
Speaker 5: one or no, there was a two yard run and
Speaker 5: then eight one yard runs for touchdowns. Just amazing. How
Speaker 5: they didn't have to push him in either. He ran
Speaker 5: in on his own.
Speaker 7: We have a phone call if we want to take it,
Speaker 7: Mickey permission.
Speaker 5: Make sure, it's a good one. Okay, we're going to
Speaker 5: find out. We are going to find out rushers on.
Speaker 7: Chris in San Angelo, Texas.
Speaker 6: Hello, good to talk to y'all. Hope y'all are all
Speaker 6: doing well. Hey, I was just wondering, it's kind of
Speaker 6: an off the wall question. Whenever with all the ex
Speaker 6: Cowboys that are in broadcasting at calling games with Romo, Apeman, Moose,
Speaker 6: et cetera, do y'all get to have much correspondence with
Speaker 6: them whenever they make it into town.
Speaker 5: Oh, that is a good question.
Speaker 10: We will.
Speaker 5: I mean, Aikman lives here, Moose lives here, Romo lives here.
Speaker 5: But when they come in to there, here's the difference interviews.
Speaker 3: What we used to have better access to them when
Speaker 3: they came in to do their pregame interviews and stuff
Speaker 3: than we do here at the Star, just like we
Speaker 3: used to have better access to all the coaching staff.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that today at Valley Ranch. Literally
Speaker 3: members of the media would walk down the hallways through
Speaker 3: the coaches office area to get to the Cowboys TV
Speaker 3: broadcast area. I was thinking about it today because Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 3: before taping the show Isaiah Standback was in there. You know,
Speaker 3: Isaiah played with the New England Patriots. And so I
Speaker 3: mentioned to McCarthy that Isaiah and I were reminiscing about
Speaker 3: his time with the Patriots. He was in the same
Speaker 3: quarterback room. Bill O'Brien was the quarterbacks coach and Isaiah
Speaker 3: was actually playing quarterback and receiver for the Patriots with
Speaker 3: the Tom Brady in there and so forth. And so
Speaker 3: McCarthy said, so were you there before they built their
Speaker 3: new training center and so forth? And you see that
Speaker 3: was before that. And he said, man, they got a
Speaker 3: nice training center. And McCarthy's talking about he's big on
Speaker 3: the functionality of the workplace and so forth. And I
Speaker 3: was like, well, good thing you weren't here at Valley
Speaker 3: Ranch because you would had media members outside your office.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Well, I think they finally cut that out.
Speaker 3: The media members, but there were media members like me
Speaker 3: who are also doing stuff for Cowboys TV.
Speaker 5: I could walk through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So anyone who had any business with Cowboys TV.
Speaker 3: In the back we had to go through the hallway,
Speaker 3: or you got to go through the hallway where the
Speaker 3: coaches offices were, and if you might be able to
Speaker 3: eavesdrop on some conversations going on as you went there,
Speaker 3: or we also shared the same restroom, and so there
Speaker 3: are great opportunities in the restroom to find out the
Speaker 3: game plan for this week. But to answerr quest, but
Speaker 3: that gets back to your question. When the network TV
Speaker 3: crews come in here, they are on the football side
Speaker 3: of the operation doing their pregame interviews and stuff, so
Speaker 3: they're able to talk to coaches and players and stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, we don't see.
Speaker 3: Them because they're on the other side of the building,
Speaker 3: which might as well be a mile away, right, Mickey, Well.
Speaker 5: I can remember walking through those hallways and hoping that
Speaker 5: if I needed to talk to like a position coach,
Speaker 5: that they would see me walking by and say hi,
Speaker 5: which would be the opening to ask whatever questions, right,
Speaker 5: And you know, it could be off the record, and
Speaker 5: that's fine, but knowledge is golden. You don't always have
Speaker 5: to say who you got it for or quote them accurately.
Speaker 5: Just know what's right and what isn't. So, yeah, that
Speaker 5: was a different day in time, you know. Heck, Bill,
Speaker 5: if you remember, I think until gosh, maybe the mid
Speaker 5: to late nineties, our media offices were right by the
Speaker 5: player entrance and they had to walk by us to
Speaker 5: come in and walk by us to leave.
Speaker 3: So you saw Troy leaving for the day, you just
Speaker 3: caught him out of the corner of your eye. You
Speaker 3: can you could follow him out to his truck if
Speaker 3: you had any question you wanted to clean up, and
Speaker 3: he would oblige to.
Speaker 5: Or Michael Irvin would walk by and he'd see you
Speaker 5: in there and he'd come and sit in the chair
Speaker 5: because he wanted to be s right.
Speaker 4: Are such great days.
Speaker 5: And you can tell if somebody walked out with crutches
Speaker 5: or a boot on their foot, you could see all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was ordinary that if Troy got banged
Speaker 3: up in a game on Sunday. Okay, this is the
Speaker 3: kind of access we had in the media back then.
Speaker 3: The players parking lot we parked in the player's parking
Speaker 3: lot we had, I mean, we'd go park wherever you
Speaker 3: want to on the premises there at Valley Ranch. And
Speaker 3: so if Troy got banged up in a game on Sunday,
Speaker 3: we would be out there with a TV crew a
Speaker 3: TV camera in the parking lot waiting for Troy to
Speaker 3: arrive so that we could get footage of Troy lipping
Speaker 3: into the practice facility.
Speaker 8: That day.
Speaker 3: That's the kind of access that we had. And Troy
Speaker 3: was great too. It wasn't like we were intruding in
Speaker 3: his you know, personal space or anything. You know. It
Speaker 3: was part of it, like a tough day at the
Speaker 3: office and got to get in here and get this
Speaker 3: freehab going.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And unfortunately, now, to answer Chris's question, when those
Speaker 5: guys come in here for their kind of pregame interviews
Speaker 5: with the coach and several players, they do it over
Speaker 5: on the other side of the building where we wouldn't
Speaker 5: even know that they were there if it wasn't during
Speaker 5: open locker room.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's a little different.
Speaker 3: By the way, before we go to break here, you
Speaker 3: mentioned David Blough, the quarterback who's sort of a journey
Speaker 3: and now out of Carlton Creek View.
Speaker 5: He got released by Arizona.
Speaker 3: That's right, And it was interesting that you would mention
Speaker 3: him right after I mentioned Christian Gonzales. You know why
Speaker 3: that is interesting, tell me because David blou is married
Speaker 3: to Christian Gonzalez's sister.
Speaker 5: What. Yes, I think I knew that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think you probably knew that, And that was
Speaker 3: where the connection first. It was because of Carlton Creek
Speaker 3: View High School, even though both that it ended there
Speaker 3: before Gonzalez transferred to the colony. But Christian Gonzalez's sister
Speaker 3: was an Olympic sprinter for their native country Columbia. She's
Speaker 3: a Colombian American. And you recall in the Olympics when
Speaker 3: he was with Detroit, right, that was part of during
Speaker 3: the Olympics, the Lions team, they were all watching her
Speaker 3: cheering her on in the Olympics.
Speaker 5: Well, that was part of when they were on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably a hard, hard.
Speaker 5: Nineties, right, And so that was an episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was why you thought it, David, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was why you thought Itavid blow As I was
Speaker 3: talking about Christian Gonzalez, I just.
Speaker 4: Had to connect the dots last small world.
Speaker 3: I would have brought it up at the time that
Speaker 3: you mentioned it, yeah, but I wanted to make sure
Speaker 3: that was right, so I had done to double check first.
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Speaker 3: All right, very good, Mickey, would you have played flag
Speaker 3: football back in your day?
Speaker 4: Now you played? You played center on your football team, right,
Speaker 4: some guard.
Speaker 5: Tell guard, Yeah, I was on the team.
Speaker 3: They gave me a flag football. Would have if there
Speaker 3: was flag football back in the day, you would.
Speaker 7: Have innermural ATURI yeah, I played.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's flag football.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, middle linebacker you did, Yeah, because.
Speaker 4: I'll do very quick. Yeah, we made the playoffs. Okay,
Speaker 4: as a matter of fact, since you asked, Since your
Speaker 4: dorm team.
Speaker 5: My sophomore year, our dorm floor won the all around
Speaker 5: dorm innermural title. They kept points for everything you did.
Speaker 5: And I was the captain of the floor, by the way,
Speaker 5: I bet you were.
Speaker 7: Did you get any any type of a plaque?
Speaker 5: You got a plaque and it's still up in the
Speaker 5: hallway at the Bates floor in the Foe the Faux hall.
Speaker 3: For some reason that I don't think, Mickey doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like the type that would be in a fraternity in college.
Speaker 4: You are in a rat, right.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have made it one day in rush.
Speaker 4: Or well, I don't think you would have made it
Speaker 4: in rush.
Speaker 3: No one would have extended an offer to you, and
Speaker 3: I don't think you would have made it through Hazy.
Speaker 5: They tried that. They tried that our freshman.
Speaker 4: You would have been the prime guy there. Hazing though,
Speaker 4: I tell you that much.
Speaker 5: They tried that our freshman year in the dorm, and
Speaker 5: we had an incident and we made sure we had
Speaker 5: retribution for them. We were no freshmen.
Speaker 3: Oh my, all right, the Patriots coming in here. Their
Speaker 3: offense has struggled this year. Then the quality of the
Speaker 3: opposition has been strong with Philadelphia and Miami the first
Speaker 3: two weeks by Jets defense last week. But they're trying
Speaker 3: to figure out how to get things untracked offensively.
Speaker 5: And especially the passing game. Yes, I think that has
Speaker 5: been the huge concerns.
Speaker 3: Because Bill Ryan coming in there, that was supposed to
Speaker 3: turn things around with Mac Jones.
Speaker 5: Well, they've scored passing offense twenty seventeen and fifteen and
Speaker 5: if I remember correctly, but I'll double check it real quick.
Speaker 5: In the NFL stats, their passing offense has been averaged.
Speaker 5: They're actually no, they're eleventh ranked in yards game passing,
Speaker 5: which is weird because the story.
Speaker 3: I was thinking maybe they get a lot of yards
Speaker 3: between the twenties and they have some red zone issues.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were thirty second in the league in red
Speaker 4: zone offense last year.
Speaker 5: By the way, Oh they couldn't run it. Well, now
Speaker 5: they got Zeke's they worry about that. Which, by the way,
Speaker 5: I didn't get to hear the whole conference call with
Speaker 5: Zeke yesterday. He was pretty good as usual, right, talking
Speaker 5: about it's be a little emotional coming back and he
Speaker 5: couldn't wait to be in front of the fans, and
Speaker 5: talked about his days with the Salvation Army and helping.
Speaker 5: Ask if the earth.
Speaker 3: They've already set up the red kettles yet?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, he knew that that wasn't there. But wouldn't
Speaker 5: that be something if an opposing player jumped into the
Speaker 5: red kettle?
Speaker 4: Would be yes, I think you don't want to have happened.
Speaker 5: He would be the one to do it, by the way.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was good he talked about you know,
Speaker 5: it didn't sound like there was any animosity or you know,
Speaker 5: he understood the business of the whole deal, and you know,
Speaker 5: he got picked up. I think it was I think
Speaker 5: I looked it up August sixteenth, so probably right at
Speaker 5: the end of training camp when they signed him, and
Speaker 5: I would imagine they give him a little bit of
Speaker 5: a load to go with Stevenson, right.
Speaker 3: Well, he's gotten a little bit of more of a
Speaker 3: load as we've gone along here. And as you mentioned,
Speaker 3: coming into camp mid August ramp up period, Romandre Stevenson
Speaker 3: coming off a one thousand yard season averaging five yards
Speaker 3: of carry last year, and Remandre is at two point
Speaker 3: nine yards.
Speaker 4: Of carry this year.
Speaker 3: And Zeke had seven carries five receptions in their opener
Speaker 3: against Philadelphia, also had a costly fumble that led to
Speaker 3: points for Philadelphia in the first quarter of that game.
Speaker 3: And then against the Dolphins he just had five carries,
Speaker 3: and then against the Jets he had sixteen carries for
Speaker 3: eighty yards plus a catch. And so he said one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two yards on twenty eight carries through
Speaker 3: the first three games, which kind of mirrors what Pollard
Speaker 3: did in one game against Arizona on Sunday, he had
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty two on twenty three carries.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, absolutely, And you know, it's been kind
Speaker 5: of a rare occurrence to have a prominent former player
Speaker 5: come back or at least play against the Cowboys again.
Speaker 5: I started looking at it and I saw a couple
Speaker 5: off the top of my head, Terrence Newman. After the
Speaker 5: Cowboys released him, he ended up playing against the Cowboys
Speaker 5: with Cincinnati and then Minnesota. DeMarco Murray ended up playing
Speaker 5: against the Cowboys with Bill Philly, and then he went
Speaker 5: to Tennessee, I believe. And of course EMMITTT. Smith came
Speaker 5: back with the Arizona Cardinals. Remembery he got hurt. They
Speaker 5: I forgot who hit somebody hit almost broke a bone
Speaker 5: in his scapular or something like that, almost twenty years
Speaker 5: ago to the day of Zeke's return. Now, Zeke, it'll
Speaker 5: be October first. Emmett it was October fifth, two thousand
Speaker 5: and three, right, and twenty four to seven Cowboys win.
Speaker 5: Did you happen to look up the stats for Emmett
Speaker 5: in that well, he got hurt boys, so.
Speaker 4: Okay, before he got hurt. If you happen to look
Speaker 4: at hell, I did like.
Speaker 5: What he added to his NFL leading right title.
Speaker 4: He did not add.
Speaker 3: He did not add to his rushing title that day
Speaker 3: he had six not that day, No, he didn't. He
Speaker 3: had he subtracted from it. Right, He had minus one
Speaker 3: yard on six and he had two receptions for two
Speaker 3: yards in a twenty four to seven loss.
Speaker 5: But prior to that, I think he had some yardage
Speaker 5: probably playing for the Cardinals.
Speaker 12: It was.
Speaker 4: Not much, not much.
Speaker 3: And then he did come back late in the season
Speaker 3: and not much late in the season either. He wound
Speaker 3: up that season with two hundred and fifty six yards
Speaker 3: averaging two point eight yards of care.
Speaker 5: Now that's two hundred and fifty six more than somebody
Speaker 5: else is going to have.
Speaker 4: To overcome, right now, that's true.
Speaker 5: Now did add to his total for the and for
Speaker 5: Zeke they will have, I'm told, a video tribute.
Speaker 4: So that is what Jerry was alluding to, and he
Speaker 4: was asked about it.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it was obvious, right, they were going
Speaker 5: to do that. I don't think it was a huge
Speaker 5: secret or anything.
Speaker 4: You remember what they did for Emmett.
Speaker 5: I do not.
Speaker 4: I don't either, So, but it's twenty years.
Speaker 5: How many years ago? Did you say it? By the way,
Speaker 5: twenty years ago? There's many games, right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: The other thing though, when you look at the Patriots
Speaker 3: rushing offense, which has been their strength. You've seen the
Speaker 3: stat totals from that Arizona game and the amount of
Speaker 3: yards that the Cardinals got outside the tackles. Yes, as
Speaker 3: compared to within the tackles, Zeke is not the type
Speaker 3: to go outside. Romandre Stevenson is more of a between
Speaker 3: the tackles runner as well. You would think things set
Speaker 3: up a little bit better to stop the run against
Speaker 3: the Patriots than it did against the Cardinals team which
Speaker 3: features a quarterback that can run that zone read well.
Speaker 5: The amazing thing is Stevenson is only averaging two point
Speaker 5: nine yards of carry well, Zeke's averaging four to four
Speaker 5: and Mac Jones for eight. I didn't want to see
Speaker 5: Jones quarterback come back in here and run against the
Speaker 5: I don't think he's a threat album.
Speaker 7: So yesterday when we talked about Zeke coming back and
Speaker 7: we're thankful that the Red Kettle was not out there.
Speaker 7: Fun fact, but Seattle corner Justin Coleman jumped into the
Speaker 7: Red Kettle in twenty seventeen at AT and T Stadium
Speaker 7: after an interceptions. So although we don't have the red
Speaker 7: cattle sound fact.
Speaker 4: That is not a fun fact.
Speaker 5: It's an interesting that's a fun fact.
Speaker 7: So Zeke wouldn't be the only one if it were
Speaker 7: out there. But it's not out there, so it's not
Speaker 7: going to happen on Sunday.
Speaker 4: You know, Zeke ran for the yards he ran in.
Speaker 3: What we remember about him has not so much to
Speaker 3: do with him running the football as it's jumping in
Speaker 3: the kettle or it's the feed.
Speaker 5: Me being the locker room clown, you know what. That's
Speaker 5: what you know. They I can't remember who said it.
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, his name comes up all the time,
Speaker 5: and it's usually something to laugh about, like in the
Speaker 5: locker room, right, He's always doing something. Michael Gallup was
Speaker 5: talking a lot about how Zeke took him under his
Speaker 5: wing as a rookie and would invite him out to
Speaker 5: the house or invite him to go out to dinner
Speaker 5: and just kind of show him the rope. So, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, I think because of when he got here
Speaker 5: and that second year legal stuff, I think people got
Speaker 5: a you know, a different perception of who Zeke was
Speaker 5: or who he really was, because towards the end he
Speaker 5: really loosened up and started doing stuff in the community,
Speaker 5: and he was a and and and McCarthy said it.
Speaker 5: He was a great locker room presence for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: So if Micah tackles Zeke, does he do the feed
Speaker 7: the lion?
Speaker 5: That'll be a good one. And and and Micah said, uh,
Speaker 5: he said, I can't wait, So it'll it'll be It'll
Speaker 5: be a good meeting. And I'm sure hopefully they don't
Speaker 5: fake it to him because Parsons wants us so badly
Speaker 5: tackle Zeke that he never got a chance to do
Speaker 5: it that the quarterback pulls it down and runs around
Speaker 5: the edge for forty running as far as they won't
Speaker 5: have to have Doron Bland chase him down to save
Speaker 5: the Actually he saved the touchdown and they turned that
Speaker 5: possession into three points.
Speaker 4: Instead of a touch it was a four point play.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, but it's going to be fun on Sunday.
Speaker 3: Just and the thing with Zeke, he's good. He has
Speaker 3: that sort of a mischievous personality.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, absolutely, And I.
Speaker 4: Do think that the big contract is another thing that.
Speaker 3: Worked against him as far as the perception of him
Speaker 3: amongst some fans out there that they're spending so much
Speaker 3: money on a running back.
Speaker 4: If he didn't have the big contract.
Speaker 5: Ten point nine million base that.
Speaker 3: You know, and his production did go down, there wouldn't
Speaker 3: be as much as as much negative.
Speaker 5: But just remember by releasing him, they are still like
Speaker 5: five million dollars against the salary cap this year and
Speaker 5: I think it's eight next year.
Speaker 4: He counts more against the Cowboys cap this year than
Speaker 4: the Patriots.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, So unless he, I guess, hits all his incentives
Speaker 5: or something, maybe it'll go up. But because he had
Speaker 5: a four million dollar base, because we were talking about.
Speaker 12: Two, you know, two and insight, and I think like
Speaker 12: if the Cowboys were interested in and I've got it
Speaker 12: down as a one year three million plus plus three
Speaker 12: million in incentives.
Speaker 3: So if he hit all those incentives, six a little
Speaker 3: over what the Cowboys charge is absolutely.
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Speaker 3: So that does it for a Thursday edition of Mixed Shots.
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