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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Wednesday. Great to see.

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Speaker 4: M Thanks for thanks for being here. Crystal Well. Ryan

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Speaker 4: is in can kuon for his annual Fish show show.

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Speaker 2: Oh I forgot that's what he's got going on this week.

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Speaker 4: Very excited. Yeah, but he's like tech Cruse, we got

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Speaker 2: He's outing here coon. That's true. That is true. A

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Speaker 2: lot to get to you this morning. There was an

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Speaker 2: attack on ilhan Omar at a town hall last night.

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Speaker 2: Dude came up sort of charged at her and squirted

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Speaker 2: some foul smelling liquid on her. We still don't know

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Speaker 2: what that is, but we'll give you the latest. We've

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Speaker 2: got a Trump reaction for that. We've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of new details in the killing of Alex Purtty. We

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Speaker 2: also had a new shooting involving either ICE or Border

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Speaker 2: Ken Klippenstein is going to join us with some of

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Speaker 2: his latest reporting. He's been getting all kinds of leaks

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Speaker 2: as he does. I mean, this is what Ken does.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, he's both got a bunch of

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Speaker 2: current ICE agents who are speaking out and who are

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Speaker 2: upset about how things are going. He also has some

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Speaker 2: indications that while the figureheads at the top of the

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Speaker 2: operation in Minneapolis have changed, the tactics don't appear to

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Speaker 2: so a lot to get to with him. We had

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Speaker 2: Trump in Iowa. I know you paid close attention to

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Speaker 2: his speech as Iowa, among other places, not too happy

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Speaker 2: with Trump's economic stewardship at this point, Emily.

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Speaker 4: That's all he said, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know a little bit of a different

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Speaker 4: Yeah, big pictures that he's supposed to be on an

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Speaker 4: economic messaging tour and you could see that in the

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Speaker 4: as one does. And so is is he going to

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Speaker 4: be able to focus for the midterms on pitching his

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Speaker 4: economic message? Spoiler alert, probably not well.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that, we didn't get this in the show,

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Speaker 2: threats to Iran. So yeah, hard to stay focused when

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Speaker 2: you're constantly starting new wars all around the world. Speaking

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Speaker 2: and the significance of that one. Some dire warnings from

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Speaker 2: a top AI CEO that are definitely worth paying attention to.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to break down the latest for you

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Speaker 2: guys with regards to Sudan, some you know, typical, very

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Speaker 2: dire and very grim news, but also some positive things

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Speaker 2: Emily really wanted to keep you guys updated. I do

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Crystal, let's start with Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Indeed. So we had some Trump comments yesterday with regard

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Speaker 2: of those comments from Trump.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he was acting as an assassin in Minneapolis?

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Speaker 4: Mister Pretty, your deputy chief of staff said that you

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Speaker 5: I think that you know, we can't we can't walk

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Speaker 2: What about the Second Amendment?

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Speaker 5: Listen, he didn't walk into John We can't hear what.

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Speaker 5: Well, I haven't heard that, but certainly shouldn't have been

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Speaker 2: Unfortunate, incredible Zoe Emily effectively there, you know, saying he

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Speaker 4: And I think Dana lash obviously used to be a

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Speaker 4: why the swirl right now of rumors about Christy Nome.

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Speaker 4: It's why that's even being asked in the first place,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think he's looking for escape goat. And

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Speaker 2: you know the fact that there is pressure, that there

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Speaker 2: it does fit a pattern of whenever something goes wrong

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Speaker 2: This was a very interesting insight into Trump's psychology. Not

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Speaker 2: may actually feel a little bit worse about Renee Goods

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Speaker 5: And I'm not sure about his parents, but I know

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Speaker 5: her parents were big Trump fans. Makes me feel bad anyway,

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Speaker 5: But I mean, I guess you could say even worse.

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Speaker 5: They were tremendous Trump people, Trump fans, and you know

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Speaker 2: I mean, just what can you even say about that?

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Speaker 2: He's ranking how badly he feels about these various killings

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Speaker 4: Not surprising at all. And we're going to talk a

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Speaker 4: but worth noting. Actually this was in political playbook I

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Speaker 4: anecdote from I think it was the President of Slovakia

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Speaker 4: And make sure that I had this exactly right? He said,

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Speaker 4: President's state of mind. He told EU leaders at a

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Speaker 4: quote psychological state, according to to diplomats, and then Fico

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Speaker 4: that is from a leader who's who's pro Trump worth.

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Speaker 2: Not very sort of like MAGA adjacent kind of a guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he spoke it. I'm pretty sure you spook at

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Speaker 4: one of the Sea PACs in the last year Wow.

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Speaker 2: So do you take that as he's actually sort of unhinged,

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Speaker 4: My read is that it is age decline. You know,

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Speaker 4: dramatic decline of Joe Biden. But not everything that's age

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's always None of that surprised me that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's go ahead and put up this next development,

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Speaker 2: The government has often just flat out lined in these cases.

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Speaker 4: see in the renanink Good video, and I would what

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Speaker 4: I see in so many of these videos is more

436
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Speaker 4: of a keystone cop situation than an operation that is

437
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Speaker 4: like fine tuned to target people like Pratty. Like in

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Speaker 4: that video, for example, it seems as though to me

439
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Speaker 4: CBP was trying to deal with the woman and Protty

440
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Speaker 4: stepped in between them and the woman and that's where

441
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Speaker 4: it all went south. And so I'm psycho even with.

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Speaker 2: That, Even with that, like why were they assaulting this woman,

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Speaker 2: Why do they push her to the ground. To the

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Speaker 2: two women that were there, why did they push them

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Speaker 2: to the ground, Why did they pepper spray them? Why

446
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: did they pepper spray Alex Pardy, Like none of it

447
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: was necessary at all, which is why I say, I

448
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: think you're right. And this is very typical of this

449
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Speaker 2: administration that there is a keystone cops element to what

450
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Speaker 2: they do. But they're also you know, you had Trump

451
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: himself saying that they're coming to Minneapolis or Minnesota for retribution, right.

452
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Speaker 2: You have the Vice President of the United States saying

453
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Speaker 2: these guys have quote unquote absolute immunity after they killed

454
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Speaker 2: Renee Good. So of course they took that message from

455
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Speaker 2: the top that this is what the President of the

456
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Speaker 2: United States wants me to be doing, wants me to

457
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Speaker 2: be roughing up and assaulting and do and you know,

458
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Speaker 2: just terrorizing these communities, which is why you don't see it.

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Speaker 2: You know, in one or two instances where it seems

460
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Speaker 2: to be nearly every interaction is not to de escalate,

461
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Speaker 2: but to ramp things up, but to escalate to the

462
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Speaker 2: next level, but to create these incredibly chaotic, dangerous and

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Speaker 2: violent situations.

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Speaker 4: The story that seems to be emerging is someone Ice

465
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Speaker 4: was looking for ran into the donut shop. And we're

466
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Speaker 4: still obviously trying to get the pieces of the puzzle

467
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Speaker 4: put together here, but someone ran into the donut shop

468
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Speaker 4: and because the Ice watchers had identified a vehicle, they

469
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Speaker 4: started kind of dispatching themselves over to this block and

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Speaker 4: making it difficult for Ice to then apprehend the suspected

471
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Speaker 4: migrant or whomever was in the donut shop or whatever

472
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Speaker 4: part of that operation where they're trying to nab someone.

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Speaker 4: I mean, when I look at the pretty broken rib story,

474
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Speaker 4: it does make more sense to me that his parents

475
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Speaker 4: were worried about him. I think people are right to

476
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Speaker 4: be worried about anyone who's going out in this situation.

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Speaker 4: I know many of our viewers are probably going out

478
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Speaker 4: and protesting, and I just you know, kilmar Abrego Garcia

479
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Speaker 4: is a good example to me of somebody who the

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Speaker 4: administration admitted to what did they say, like an administrative error,

481
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Speaker 4: clerical or something like that when he was originally deported

482
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Speaker 4: and is playing out in court right now. And I

483
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Speaker 4: think that's a much less chaotic and much safer way

484
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Speaker 4: for everybody to fight some of these battles. So it

485
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Speaker 4: doesn't excuse Keystone Coppery at all. And that's definitely what

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Speaker 4: we're seeing on the streets of Minneapolis. But that was

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Speaker 4: my sort of big picture perspective on all of the chaos.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at some of this in fighting here.

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Speaker 2: So let's put a eight up on the screen immediately after,

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Speaker 2: you know, when Trump starts to show that he's unez

491
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Speaker 2: with the lies that were told and labels this quote

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Speaker 2: unquote unfortunate incident. Won't call ax pretty an assassin, won't

493
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Speaker 2: say he's a domestic terrorist. It's Christy Noam and Greg

494
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Speaker 2: Bavino that are the initial fall guys. But Vinos pulled

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Speaker 2: down in Minneapolis and back to California. Tom Homan brought

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Speaker 2: in instead. And here you have from Axios quote Christynam's

497
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Speaker 2: language that Alex Party wanted to massacre federal agents was

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Speaker 2: dictated to Noam and her department by the man most

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Speaker 2: responsible for the controversial operation, Stephen Miller. And I will

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Speaker 2: tell you Emily, like I have zero love for Christy Noam,

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Speaker 2: but I actually find this report to be very credible.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things Kyle actually pointed out to me,

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Speaker 2: which was a good point. Remember back what feels like

504
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Speaker 2: a million years ago when we had the whole Signal

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Speaker 2: Gate controversy and we got to see the internal communications

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Speaker 2: with a variety of top level aids to include Steven Miller,

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Speaker 2: when they decided to go forward with the Yemen bomb.

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Speaker 2: It was when he came in over the top and said, hey,

509
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Speaker 2: the big guy says we're going, so we're going, and

510
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Speaker 2: really positioned himself as speaking for the president. The president

511
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Speaker 2: has effectively Trump has effectively put Stephen Miller like, this

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Speaker 2: is one of your he has a lot in his portfolio.

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Speaker 2: But this whole like immigration, mass deportation, flooding the zone,

514
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Speaker 2: with these federal agents occupying these cities, this is your

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Speaker 2: this is your zone. And so what I my guess,

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Speaker 2: having zero inside knowledge of what happened here, is that

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Speaker 2: you got some information, perhaps even somewhat inaccurate information from

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Speaker 2: the agents on the ground that there was a gun,

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Speaker 2: because they in real time seemed confused about what happened there.

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Speaker 4: When his body is prone on the ground, they're saying,

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Speaker 4: some of them are saying, where's the gun? Where's the gun?

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Speaker 4: Not even realizing and this The Washington posted an analysis

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Speaker 4: from where they watched the video, or they had law

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Speaker 4: enforcement experts watch the video. And one of the things

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Speaker 4: the experts said, which is obvious to anybody who saw it,

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Speaker 4: is if you disarm him, you say he's been disarmed.

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Speaker 4: I have the gun. I have the gun and instead

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Speaker 4: they seem to have had. Some of them seem to

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Speaker 4: have not known that he was disarmed, which will be

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Speaker 4: a very big question legally, of course, but obviously some

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Speaker 4: of them knew he was disarmed. At least one of

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Speaker 4: themknew was disarmed because he disarmed him. But why did

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Speaker 4: he not say, we don't see in any of the

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Speaker 4: videos he has been disarmed. He has been disarmed. Clearly

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Speaker 4: they didn't know.

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Speaker 2: So in any case, it's possible that some inaccurate information

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Speaker 2: came from the agents on the ground they immediately, without

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Speaker 2: missing a beat, spin it into this narrative of his

539
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Speaker 2: would be assassin trying to commit a massacre, mass murderer, etcetera, etcetera,

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Speaker 2: And it would It does not surprise me at all

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Speaker 2: that that specific language and the imprimature of this is

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Speaker 2: what the big guy wants would come from Stephen Miller.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what you make of that, given what you

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Speaker 2: know of the the internal dynamics.

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Speaker 4: There have been reports that Stephen Miller is really driving

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Speaker 4: the reports for a year now that Steven Miller is

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Speaker 4: driving DHS, that he's doing briefings with them, and it's

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Speaker 4: coming top down from Steven Miller bypassing nom In some cases,

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Speaker 4: I wonder if this leak is pretty intentional because Christinoman

550
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Speaker 4: is trying to save her job and is trying to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: Steven Miller, this came from Stephen Miller, when yeah, and

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Speaker 4: it's it's amazing because I think what likely happened is

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Speaker 4: Stephen Miller told her to say that, and she was like,

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Speaker 4: oh yeah, she was happy to say what Steven Miller

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Speaker 4: told her to say. I mean, it's as though it's

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Speaker 4: it's not as though she's, you know, some toddler who

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Speaker 4: can't formulate her own thoughts and isn't responsible for telling

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Speaker 4: the American public the truth. She went out and spun it.

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Speaker 4: She did that interview with Peter Doocy from the building

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Speaker 4: where she was like going into detail with these claims

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Speaker 4: and standing by them, and a point that you made

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Speaker 4: earlier I just wanted to underline, which was they know,

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Speaker 4: this is what Trump wants to see in you know,

564
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Speaker 4: eighty percent of cases. And what happened in this case

565
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Speaker 4: is I think those who kept their powder dry genuinely

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Speaker 4: did not intend upon there, but those who kept their

567
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Speaker 4: powder dry ended up being closer to Trump because Trump

568
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Speaker 4: realized that the people who were pibles super aggressive in

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Speaker 4: the messaging from the beginning made the administration look bad

570
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Speaker 4: because there was so much daylight between what they said

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Speaker 4: and what happened. And that's where you had Caroline Levitt,

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Speaker 4: someone who largely kept her powder dry, telling reporters at

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Speaker 4: the briefing the other day when she was asked if

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Speaker 4: Trump has Trump agreed that Pratty was a quote, domestic terrorist,

575
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Speaker 4: she said she has not heard President Trump quote characterize

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Speaker 4: mister pretty in that way, which to the point you

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Speaker 4: made earlier, Crystal, that if you really really know Trump,

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Speaker 4: then you would understand sometimes he's not gonna like like

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Speaker 4: sometimes his instincts are different than the Maga instinct because

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Speaker 4: he doesn't come from the right like he's a Republican now,

581
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Speaker 4: but he comes from like TV world and has a

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Speaker 4: history as a Democrat, like he's from New York. He

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Speaker 4: just has a different background, and that that is, I

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Speaker 4: mean a serious problem for for Christy Noam, But clearly

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Speaker 4: I think trying to telegraph that she wasn't ultimately to blame,

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Speaker 4: which you're an adult.

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Speaker 2: All of these people are to blame, up to and

588
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Speaker 2: including the President of the United States, who ultimately the

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Speaker 2: buck should stop with and.

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Speaker 4: People are forgetting he put out let me find He

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Speaker 4: put out a post on truth social saying something similar.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be able to find it because he's

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Speaker 4: truth so many times in the last few days. But

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Speaker 4: he right away said something similar to but he didn't

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Speaker 4: go on camera.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well, last piece, let's put this up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. Steven Miller trying to sort of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: another way of him washing his hands of any sort

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Speaker 2: of accountability for you know, I mean, this whole project

600
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Speaker 2: is really his project. This whole like at no nationalist,

601
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Speaker 2: you know, occupying Liberal city is this is all Steven Miller. Truly,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really believes Christinolme is like the

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Speaker 2: brains behind all of these operations in any case, it says.

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Speaker 2: This is from CNN. White House Deputy Chief of Staff

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Speaker 2: Steven Miller says officials are evaluating why Customs and Border

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Speaker 2: Protection agents in Minneapolis may not have been following proper

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Speaker 2: protocol before the fatal shooting of VIA nurse Alex Pretty.

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Speaker 2: In a statement to CNN, Miller said the White House

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Speaker 2: had quote provided clear guidance to DHS that the extra

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Speaker 2: personnel that have been sent to Minnesota for force protection,

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Speaker 2: should be used for conducting fugitive operations to create a

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Speaker 2: physical barrier between the arrest teams and the disruptors. We're

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Speaker 2: evaluating why the CBP team may not have been following

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Speaker 2: that protocol. And I mean, this is just really rich

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Speaker 2: from Steven Miller from this White House, which again said

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Speaker 2: that these thugs had quote unquote absolute immunity after they

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Speaker 2: had just killed another American citizen, Renee Good. So the

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Speaker 2: message went out from the top that we want you

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Speaker 2: to be thug, we want you to terrorize, we want

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Speaker 2: you to rampage and like strike fear in the hearts

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Speaker 2: of these communities, and that's exactly what they got. Now, again,

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Speaker 2: I agree with you that they there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: buffoonishness and like you know, especially the new ICE recruits.

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Speaker 2: But it's worth noting that both the agent that killed

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Speaker 2: that killed Alex Party and the one who killed Renee Good,

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Speaker 2: these are not new recruits. These were people with many

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Speaker 2: years serving in these positions, so presumably training is not

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Speaker 2: the issue here. I think what they were getting in

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Speaker 2: terms of what they were supposed to do from leadership,

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Speaker 2: like this is what leadership was pushing them to do.

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Speaker 2: This is what had been condoned. This is effectively, you know,

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Speaker 2: up until the point that it became undeniable and there

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Speaker 2: started to be a political backlash, they were doing exactly

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Speaker 2: what Trump, jd Vance, Stephen Miller, Christinoam, you know, Tom

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Speaker 2: Home and Greg Bavino, what all of them wanted them

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Speaker 2: to do in these places.

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Speaker 4: Well, and here's why I think Christineam's job is in trouble.

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Speaker 4: She has been a source of skepticism since the very

639
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Speaker 4: beginning among the furthest right immigration hawks. And I'm saying

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Speaker 4: this is somebody who's pretty pro deportations. I don't know

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Speaker 4: how anyone defines mass deportations. But the majority of the

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Speaker 4: public when Donald Trump took office again he was above

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Speaker 4: water on the issue of immigration. Was his polling was

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Speaker 4: above a majority of the country who supported his immigration

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Speaker 4: agenda and supported mass deportations. And the question of how

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Speaker 4: you define that is obviously important, and what methods you

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Speaker 4: use is obviously important. But there are a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of people on the right who look at Christinome and

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Speaker 4: see that she has has led the agency into chaos. Now,

650
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Speaker 4: of course, if they're not in an easy situation, they've

651
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Speaker 4: very organized activist groups that are intentionally making life very

652
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Speaker 4: difficult for them, and the Left is i think correctly

653
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Speaker 4: pointing out they're successfully making life very very difficult for

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Speaker 4: them and for the agents, and even experienced agents as

655
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Speaker 4: we just pointed out. So they're not like in an

656
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: easy situation, no question about that. But now christinome that

657
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Speaker 4: comes to a head when people look around and realize

658
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Speaker 4: this entire year long operation looks like a bungled public

659
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Speaker 4: relations campaign rather than something that would have been orderly

660
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Speaker 4: and substantive. Now many people are saying, you're not going

661
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Speaker 4: after employers at all? What about the guys who own

662
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Speaker 4: the meat packing plant? Why aren't they in cuffs? Why

663
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Speaker 4: are you picking random people out of the streets and

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Speaker 4: not going after the Americans who have employed them knowingly?

665
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Speaker 4: Are you investigating that at all? Is anybody in trouble

666
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Speaker 4: over that? So? I mean, this is all coming to

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Speaker 4: a head for Christine noam, and I think she's very

668
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Speaker 4: very vulnerable. She might just get a Bovino styled emotion

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Speaker 4: because Trump doesn't like to concede anything, but I think

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Speaker 4: she's she's really on the line right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she could just be sidelined and end up, you know,

672
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Speaker 2: in a sort of like Tulsi Gabbird like state where

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Speaker 2: you still have the title, but it doesn't doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: a whole heck of a lot. All right, let's go

675
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Speaker 2: ahead and get to this news about ilhan Omar. Wild

676
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: scene in Minneapolis where ilhan Omar was attacked in a

677
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Speaker 2: town hall. So she was there, you know, speaking to

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Speaker 2: constituents and at a moment when she was calling for

679
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Speaker 2: I used to be abolished and Chris Christinome to be impeached,

680
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 2: a man charges at her squirts her with some foul

681
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Speaker 2: smelling liquid. They say it smelled strongly of vinegar, was

682
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Speaker 2: like this disgusting brown color. We still don't know what

683
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Speaker 2: it is. He has now been arrested, but just take

684
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Speaker 2: a look at this whole scene is so crazy.

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Speaker 4: Secretary Christinome must resign or face impeachment. I don't know,

686
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, he's we will, we will continue the assholes.

687
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna get We are Minnesota strong, and.

688
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Speaker 2: So there's no yeah, well that's I mean, we'll talk

689
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Speaker 2: about her responses, which is wild. But we do have

690
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Speaker 2: one more angle of this. Let's go ahead and take

691
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Speaker 2: a look at this one as well.

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Speaker 6: Impeachment to talk about her response.

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Speaker 2: Right because she charges at him. She's like and she

694
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Speaker 2: like raises her arms like she is going to take

695
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Speaker 2: him out. I mean that would listen, that would not

696
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Speaker 2: be my response and more power it might be.

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Speaker 4: I think it might be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you never know until you're in

699
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Speaker 2: that situation. But the fact that you get sprayed with

700
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Speaker 2: this liquid is so disturbing, and you know that would

701
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Speaker 2: that would really freak me out. By the way this

702
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: guy has been arrested. I can look at what his

703
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: name is people pull to social media. Appears to be

704
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Speaker 2: a Trump supporter, h follows you know, some like well

705
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Speaker 2: known maga influencer type personalities, but obviously very unnervy, unnerving

706
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Speaker 2: and disturbing situation.

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Speaker 4: Well it's from a syringe too, so you really, I mean,

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Speaker 4: the fact that he sprayed something out of a syringe

709
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Speaker 4: allegedly here is I mean obviously horrifying. If you're on

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Speaker 4: the other ende of something getting squirted out of a

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Speaker 4: syringe at a town hall event, Now credit where it's

712
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Speaker 4: to do. Politicians are such lame losers, babies like across

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Speaker 4: the board, Chrystal, you know this and that second angle.

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Speaker 4: What you saw was ilhan Omar basically charged to the guy,

715
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Speaker 4: this big dude, which if you're in the listening audience,

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Speaker 4: this guy is a he's probably like six foot two

717
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Speaker 4: twenty or something like that. I'm just guessing. And ilhan Omar,

718
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Speaker 4: who is tiny. As much as I may disagree with

719
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Speaker 4: this woman, credit words deal, that was badass totally.

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Speaker 2: His name is Anthony Kashmir Zach fifty five years old.

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Speaker 2: And you know, ilhan has long been a lightning rod

722
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Speaker 2: for conservative attacks. Trump has really fixated on her recently.

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Speaker 2: In fact, just hours before this attack occurred, he was

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Speaker 2: talking about her at his Iowa rally. You know, even

725
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Speaker 2: his we have his response here, put a thirteen up

726
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Speaker 2: on the actually put a twelve first to get a

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Speaker 2: sense of the of the type of things that he's

728
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Speaker 2: been saying about her. And this is just like all

729
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Speaker 2: the time he's going after her. He said, there is

730
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Speaker 2: nineteen billion dollars in Minnesota. Somalia fraud, fake woman. Ilhan Omar,

731
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Speaker 2: a constant complainer who hates the USA, knows everything there

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Speaker 2: is to know. She should be in jail or even

733
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Speaker 2: a worse punishment sent back to Somalia. Consider one of

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Speaker 2: the absolutely worst countries in the world. She could help

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Speaker 2: to make Somalia great again. Put the next one up

736
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Speaker 2: on the screen. He was asked for his reaction to

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Speaker 2: this attack. And while you had some you know, Republican

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Speaker 2: members like Nancy Mace came out with a very gracious statement,

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Speaker 2: not so from President Trump. He said, this is from

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Speaker 2: a reporter. Just spoke to President Trump. I asked him

741
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Speaker 2: if he'd seen the video of Representative Omar being attacked

742
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Speaker 2: and sprayed by a substance. Quote. No, I don't think

743
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Speaker 2: about her lies because he talks about her all the time,

744
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Speaker 2: had just been talking about her earlier in the day.

745
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Speaker 2: In any case, he goes on, he says, I think

746
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Speaker 2: she's a fraud. I really don't think about that. She

747
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Speaker 2: probably had her self sprayed, knowing her, the President said.

748
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Speaker 2: I asked again if he had seen the video. I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen it. No, No, I hope I don't have

750
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Speaker 2: to bother. So there's yours from.

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Speaker 4: Trump's just classic Donald Trump. It's like from the Charlie

752
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Speaker 4: Kirk memorial service where he was like, the one thing

753
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Speaker 4: I disagree with Erica on, we don't forgive. Just typical

754
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: callback to that mentality. He demonstrated in the moment. But yeah,

755
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Speaker 4: I mean I've seen also, I should pull this up.

756
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Speaker 4: There's been criticism of the level of charges that actually

757
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Speaker 4: have been dropped. So Mike Davis from the Article three

758
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Speaker 4: project he posted in response to the fact that the

759
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: guy is only getting I think he's yeh state third

760
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Speaker 4: degree assault charges. He said, attacking a member of Congress

761
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Speaker 4: is a federal crime. The Justice Department must fully investigate

762
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Speaker 4: this attack. The FBI must interview the suspect, along with

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Speaker 4: obtaining material statement effact from ilhan Omar, no one is

764
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Speaker 4: above the law because yeah, again he's just being held

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Speaker 4: on third degree assault charges. So there's a little duty

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Speaker 4: for the federal government.

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Speaker 2: From Mike Davis, Yeah, no, that's actually that's a very

768
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Speaker 2: good point. And you know, I listen, credit to Ilan incredible,

769
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Speaker 2: like just in the moment, courage and not just from

770
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Speaker 2: her initial instinct to charge at this guy, but then

771
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Speaker 2: her staff are like, we got to get out of here,

772
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Speaker 2: you got to get checked out, We got to end

773
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: this town hall. And she's like, no, I'm not going

774
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Speaker 2: to let this asshole steal the show. We're going to continue,

775
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Speaker 2: Like just give me a few minutes, let me gather myself,

776
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Speaker 2: and people in the audience were also understandably very unnerved

777
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Speaker 2: and upset because it's the sort of thing where, you know,

778
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Speaker 2: and again we still don't even know what this substance was.

779
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: It's been sent for testing and it looked horrifying. It's

780
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Speaker 2: like this brown liquid and a syringe, like you said,

781
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Speaker 2: but you know, it really shatters your sense of safety,

782
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: right because if he had had a gun, like it's

783
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Speaker 2: all over. You know, we're also we are all as humans,

784
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: incredibly fragile beings, right. It takes us having this shared

785
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: social contract and sense of you know, personal safety and

786
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: trust in one another to be able to just go

787
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: about and live our lives, let alone when you're an

788
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Speaker 2: incredibly i mean just constantly demonized an attacked figure like

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Speaker 2: ilhan Omar. For her even to do this town hall

790
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Speaker 2: to begin with was was like a fantastic act of

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Speaker 2: courage to be honest, given the level of threat that

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Speaker 2: she faces on daily basis.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if there were pat downs security to get

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Speaker 4: into a town hall, which, by the way, you shouldn't.

795
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a very sad statement on where we are.

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't have to do a pat down to get

797
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Speaker 4: into a political town hall. But I wonder if they

798
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Speaker 4: actually were checking for weapons, if there are metal detectors

799
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Speaker 4: or anything like that. Obviously a syringe wouldn't be found.

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Speaker 4: But to Crysl's point about a gun, you know, William

801
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: McKinley got shot point blank by someone who had a

802
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: gun like wrapped on the hand, right, and now you

803
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: have a lot more security when people get that close

804
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 4: to the president, but a member of Congress, they're going

805
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Speaker 4: in and out of those types of town halls, and

806
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: the country is obviously a powder keg. It feels like,

807
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 4: you know, it feels like things are not getting better,

808
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Speaker 4: but getting worse. I think that's kind of an obvious

809
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 4: thing to say. Even though the Trump administration is trying

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Speaker 4: to calm the situation in Minneapolis now realizing, as ken

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Speaker 4: clipp And said, we'll tell us in a bit that

812
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Speaker 4: there's clear chaos even being understood inside as chaos, inside

813
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 4: these agencies and departments as chaos. So even though they're

814
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Speaker 4: trying to now calm the situation or fix the situation,

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Speaker 4: repair their own agencies, just feels like things are only

816
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Speaker 4: getting worse.

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Speaker 2: Crystal, Yeah, I think we'll probably see more and more

818
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Speaker 2: congressional security more and more of that screening just to

819
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Speaker 2: get into any sort of interaction with members of Congress.

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Speaker 2: And inevitably, when you have that, it means that your

821
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Speaker 2: representative is going to be less accessible. It means that

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00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, you already have had this trend of them

823
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Speaker 2: not doing debates and doing fewer and fewer town halls,

824
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: shutting themselves off in the public. And unfortunately, these sorts

825
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: of attacks and threats are only going to you know,

826
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Speaker 2: make that even more of a reality and give them

827
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Speaker 2: even more of an excuse to close themselves off from

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Speaker 2: any sort of public access.

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Speaker 4: Set times and when the ecosystem is so fragile, I

830
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Speaker 4: don't know. There's David Betts, who's a civil war historians

831
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Speaker 4: is from the UK. He's been doing some interesting work

832
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Speaker 4: on what it would take to precipitate something that becomes

833
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Speaker 4: a rolling civil conflict in the West, whether it's in

834
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Speaker 4: the UK or the United States, and the conditions feel

835
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: very familiar that he studied in the past feel very

836
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: familiar now. So folks should go check him out if

837
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Speaker 4: they're interested in going deep on where this could, how

838
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 4: this could escalate and spiral. I mean, obviously the Charlie

839
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Speaker 4: Kirk assassination was in September, and everyone tries to have

840
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Speaker 4: you unity. After that, Dems responded some like high profile

841
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: DEMS responded in a way where they're like, this is

842
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: going too far. We need to de escalate. Crystal, there's

843
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: been no de escalation at all, and here we are

844
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Speaker 4: in January and it seems as though it's only getting

845
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Speaker 4: much worse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, all right, Well, we've got Ken standing by,

847
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Speaker 2: so let's go ahead and get to him on his

848
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: latest reporting inside of DHS.

849
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Speaker 4: We're always happy to be joined by Ken clippin see

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Speaker 4: and he joins us now. Make sure to follow Ken

851
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 4: on his website Kenclipinstein dot com. That's where you can

852
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 4: follow his substack, follow him on x wherever you get

853
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: your news. Ken is there and he has been reporting

854
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Speaker 4: from inside the vowels of ICE and Customs and Border

855
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Speaker 4: Protection where he's getting leaks, and those leaks paint a

856
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Speaker 4: picture of the internal dynamics at these agencies that have

857
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Speaker 4: been tested enormously over the last several months. Ken is

858
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 4: out with a new report that was Ken I saw

859
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 4: yesterday LinkedIn the Drudge Report. By the way, you probably

860
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 4: already know that, but mega traffic, mega traffic. So everyone

861
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 4: was posting this and some of the quotes just from

862
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Speaker 4: Ken's sources. Here's one ICE agent tells Ken, I can

863
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Speaker 4: go on and on, but overall it's been a ridiculous experience.

864
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 4: Another one says, as much as I support this administration,

865
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: there needs to be more common sense in situations like this,

866
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: not a knee jerk damage control narrative that does not

867
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 4: line up with the evidence on video That was from

868
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: a Border Patrol agent. So, Ken, thanks for joining us.

869
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: Please walk us through your reporting here. What are you

870
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: hearing from inside these agencies.

871
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 7: One of the things that surprised me most was I

872
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 7: asked each of the people I interviewed, which is eight

873
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 7: people from both ICE and Border Patrol. One of the

874
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 7: most surprising things was asking what that's shooting this past week,

875
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 7: and every single one of them blamed the Border Patrol

876
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 7: officers involved. And I want to truss that's not coming

877
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 7: from some liberal, lefty position. I think every person I

878
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 7: talked to, maybe with the exception of one, were Republicans.

879
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 7: They just thought it was unprofessional, chaotic, and crazy, and

880
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 7: when you talk to them, you get the impression of

881
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 7: an episode of Reno nine to one one more than

882
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 7: some federal elite law enforcement response, like it's been framed

883
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 7: by the administration, And they would basically say that themselves

884
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 7: because they've been inundated and young, inexperienced recruits, who I

885
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 7: thought when I talked to them they'd be excited about

886
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 7: this tripling of the ICE law enforcement budget. All of

887
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 7: them said that these new recruits are useless because they

888
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 7: haven't been trained, they don't know what the hell's going on.

889
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 7: They've been dumped into this foreign context is completely different

890
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 7: from where Border Patrol usually primarily operates, or even what

891
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 7: ICE typically does, And so it was kind of this

892
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 7: topsy turvy like opposite in so many ways of what

893
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 7: I'd expected that I was going to find when I

894
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 7: talked to them, because they all support immigration enforcement in principle,

895
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 7: they just don't support what's taking place because it's not

896
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 7: immigration enforcement. It's become a national security mission, as was

897
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 7: described to me, a counter insurgency against the protesters on

898
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 7: the ground, who the federal government.

899
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: Perceives to be terrorists. And they've said that openly.

900
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: How does that square can with the fact that the

901
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: guys we see out there in Minneapolis seem pretty enthusiastic

902
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: about what they're up to. You know, they seem to

903
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: be into the mission of you know, randomly brutalizing people

904
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: that they encounter and pulling random people off the street,

905
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. So how do those two things

906
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: square in your view?

907
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 7: So that's you're seeing a big selection bias and the

908
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 7: people that actually get set out there because the more

909
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 7: experienced people are pulling every lever they can to try

910
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 7: to avoid these deployments because they don't want to be

911
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 7: involved in any of this. And so the people that

912
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 7: you're going to see out there are either going to

913
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,479
Speaker 7: be the young recruits that have just been hired off

914
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 7: of these like crazy memes and recruitment push that you're

915
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 7: seeing by ice, and that's going to filter for a

916
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 7: certain time person. And the second point is that the

917
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 7: people that are being sent there are doing so on

918
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 7: a volunteer basis. The government is not handling this like

919
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 7: they normally would, where they just say, okay, you, you,

920
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 7: and you you're going to go out there because you

921
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 7: have the skill set that we want. They and this

922
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 7: has been described to me by you know, a bunch

923
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 7: of different agents. I don't know if it's been reported,

924
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 7: but they're going on and saying, so who wants to go?

925
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 7: And that's a sign first of all, that they're worried

926
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 7: that people don't want to go. They don't want to

927
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 7: send people out there that don't support the mission are

928
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 7: going to drag their heels and things. And second of all,

929
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 7: that's going to get the really dung hope people that

930
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 7: are like yeah. When I talk to people for the story,

931
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 7: what came up again again was these are the types

932
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 7: that want to go and get an altercation and really

933
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 7: buy into this idea of the protesters is some kind

934
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 7: of radical insurgency that we need to counter. And I

935
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 7: think that explains a lot of the just crazy levels

936
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 7: of just you know, macho and like aggressiveness that we're

937
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 7: seeing posts of the social media all the time. Is

938
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 7: that this is the most aggressive part of the agent's

939
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 7: that's going on there.

940
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 4: Well, it's something interesting. I mean, we can roll be

941
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 4: to here. This is an officer, federal LA Enforcement officer.

942
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's a CDPR. I think he's

943
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 4: ice who appears to be. If people thought he was

944
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: a little drunk, I thought he was woozy. I don't

945
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: know if it was from like some chemical irritant that

946
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 4: had been sprayed. This is outside the home too, sweets Hilton,

947
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: where people were believed that Ice was staying and we're

948
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 4: disrupting it all night, trying to make sure that the

949
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 4: ICE agent's got no sleep and the like. You've probably

950
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 4: seen people have probably seen a lot of viral videos

951
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 4: from this particular scene and believe this was Sunday night.

952
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 4: We can go ahead and roll the clip and then

953
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: we'll get Ken's reaction. Well pressed here, Okay this officer, now,

954
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, are you okay? I'm fine?

955
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 5: Where's the local?

956
00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: Prev's there? Okay, where's the locals?

957
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 5: Please give me the roof.

958
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 4: Here's a Ice guy mooning the protesters from above for

959
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 4: the listening audience. Yeah, and Ken, I think.

960
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: You've reported the professional behavior here.

961
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ken, I think you report there's been some drinking

962
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 4: on the job. But one of the things I also

963
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: found interesting from your Ice unlads report that people can

964
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 4: check out at Kenclippins dot com. Is you mention a

965
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 4: lot of these guys are not on the left. How

966
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: are they like? What do they want to see done?

967
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 4: They know they're not in an easy situation, so what

968
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 4: is there I mean here obviously having the support of

969
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: the local law enforcement has helped them, and that's what

970
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 4: they want, and you can understand why they would want that,

971
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 4: But how do they It's not like they're welcoming the

972
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 4: ante the ICE protesters that they understand that that's created

973
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 4: a challenging situation. So what more do they want to

974
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 4: see is a leadership organization? What are they looking for?

975
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 7: I mean, they're opposed to the entire idea of this

976
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 7: massive federal deployment that they they don't want to find

977
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 7: the counter insurgency. They hate this and it's really interesting

978
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 7: to talk to them because the admin is very triumphalist

979
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 7: about all this. We're never going to back down, and

980
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 7: this is so popular virtually all the guys I talk to,

981
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 7: you think this is a disaster for the agency, that

982
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 7: long term it's going to just destroy the reputation of it,

983
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 7: and that they won't be able to do what frankly

984
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 7: a lot of them you know, believe in, which is

985
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 7: prioritizing violent felons.

986
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a range of attitudes.

987
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 7: Some of them want to just you know, deport anyone

988
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 7: who is here without legal status, but a lot of

989
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 7: them also, you know, they have this cop mentality of

990
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 7: like I signed up to fight like cartels, and like

991
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 7: I hope that I can get sort of these powerful

992
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 7: people that we want to remove from the country. And

993
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 7: now it's like I have to go and deal with

994
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 7: protesters in crowd control, and it's like I would have

995
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 7: signed up for the National Guard or something like that

996
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 7: if I want to do that. I don't want to

997
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 7: do that. It's just so it's like really profoiling, demoralizing.

998
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 7: And something I struck me was how much they are

999
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 7: hearing the protesters Like now I'm you know, I don't

1000
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 7: want to give you the impression that they're like going

1001
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 7: to go out there and wave a you know, like

1002
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 7: wave the flag.

1003
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: Of like the laugh or something.

1004
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 7: But it's like they they hear that and they find

1005
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 7: it embarrassing and depressing and like it was almost despondent,

1006
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 7: and it was so weird because I just I go

1007
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 7: from that to talk into like some of my lefty

1008
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 7: friends that are like, you know, what difference does any

1009
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 7: of this make.

1010
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: We're not reaching anybody.

1011
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 7: It's like they hear and see that stuff and they

1012
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 7: might not perceive it the same way that people on

1013
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 7: the left do, but that factors into their judgment about

1014
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 7: what is going on. And so this whole thing of

1015
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 7: like it being this massive mission. They could just be

1016
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 7: doing enforcement with the coordination of state in OL government.

1017
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 7: It wouldn't be this kind of like spectacle, you know.

1018
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 7: So they're opposed to all of it.

1019
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: How n only do the ICE agents view CBP? How

1020
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: do CBP view ICE? And I'm thinking about this in

1021
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: the context of, you know, we're starting to get the

1022
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: demands from some Senate Democrats about the changes that they

1023
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: would want to see in order to sign off on

1024
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 2: DHS funding. And one of the things is these CBP

1025
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: agents they need to go back to the border. As

1026
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: part of the switch out in leadership from Bavino to

1027
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: Tom Homan, some CBP agents were apparently pulled as well.

1028
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: We have no idea how many. In any case, you'll

1029
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: help us understand some of the cultural differences between those

1030
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: two agencies.

1031
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, so when it comes to border patrol, it's really

1032
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 7: alarming some of the resources they're tapping. They've sent bord

1033
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 7: Tac out, which is kind of like their version of

1034
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 7: special Forces. And just so you said, culturally, culturally at

1035
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 7: the border, it's a very different environment than it is

1036
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 7: within the interior. I was talking to one border patrol

1037
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 7: agency said, you know, you just have a lot fewer

1038
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 7: civil liberties at the border, like when you're in an airport,

1039
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 7: for instance, because the laws are just completely different, and

1040
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 7: the idea at least is supposed to be like, okay, well,

1041
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 7: this is like people entering the country, so it's kind

1042
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 7: of like got to be a heightened state of security.

1043
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: So that's the mindset they come into this mission with.

1044
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: And you can't just.

1045
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 7: Snap your fingers say all right, now you're just in

1046
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 7: an American city and you've got to forget all that.

1047
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: They're not going to forget that. Like, they have a

1048
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: very different world view.

1049
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 7: They actually will have, you know, dealt with cartels and

1050
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 7: things at some level, human trafficking at the border, and

1051
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 7: so they bring all those assumptions and that lends to

1052
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 7: Minneapolis or you know, whatever city, and that's how they're

1053
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 7: going to see things. So, you know, and this was

1054
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 7: a border patrol age and telling me this, it's like,

1055
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 7: you know, it's a very different world out there in

1056
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 7: the Southwest where you have you know, coyotes and you

1057
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 7: have you have real human trafficking and you know, some

1058
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 7: amount of it, like they didn't sound hysterical. But then

1059
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 7: it's like you come into the city. Not only is

1060
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 7: the population different, the attitudes are different. Like there are

1061
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 7: all these videos of ice officers slipping and falling in

1062
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 7: the ice.

1063
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: I asked them about that. They said, well, these.

1064
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 7: Are boys from the Southwest, Like a lot of them

1065
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 7: have literally never been somewhere with they don't how to

1066
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 7: walk on it, so it's like they're in this far

1067
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 7: away alien land that like sounds to me it's like

1068
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 7: they're talking about Vietnam where the locals hate them. No seriously,

1069
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 7: like yeah, they don't know what's going on.

1070
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: They hate the.

1071
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 7: Officer Corps, they don't trust the leadership, they don't want

1072
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 7: to be here. And I was really surprised because I thought,

1073
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 7: I assume there'd be some level of criticism, but it

1074
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 7: was like far beyond like what you know, and including

1075
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 7: from young recruits. One young recruit told me, he's like, yeah,

1076
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 7: I looked at the other guys that joined along with me,

1077
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Speaker 7: and it was like he said, the word he use

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Speaker 7: was sketchy. He said, these guys are passing a flask

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Speaker 7: around while we're supposed to be at a stakeout following

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Speaker 7: by the way, yeah, seriously, that's why I went. As

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Speaker 7: soon as I wrote that story, I started getting replies,

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Speaker 7: people posting video of ICE officers drinking at these hotels,

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Speaker 7: and it was like clear that this is like a

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Speaker 7: systemic thing more than just these crazy anecdotes that I got.

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Speaker 4: Well, and you're go ahead, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was just gonna ask, you know, there's an

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Speaker 2: attempt from the administration right now to sort of send

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Speaker 2: out this. They're trying to do pr right, They're trying

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Speaker 2: to say like this was some bad apples. Steven Miller

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Speaker 2: even came out and was like, these agents weren't falling protocol,

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Speaker 2: they weren't doing what we wanted them to do. There

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Speaker 2: was the leadership shift from Okay, we're sending Baveno back

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00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: to California, he's getting demoted. We've got Tom Homan coming in.

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Speaker 2: He's the law enforcement professional. It's going to be a

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Speaker 2: totally different day and different approach. What have you found

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Speaker 2: in terms of what's being communicated internally about whether there

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Speaker 2: is a true pivot here, Because while you know, obviously

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Speaker 2: and for understandable reasons, the murder of Renee Good and

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Speaker 2: of Alex pretty have really captured, you know, the public's

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Speaker 2: attention and have created a lot of horror. I talked

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Speaker 2: to legal analyst Kyle Chaney yesterday's tracking twenty three hundred

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Speaker 2: cases where the administration has just completely flouted judges orders

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Speaker 2: and are arresting and deporting people illegally. So there is

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Speaker 2: a systematic problem in the approach from top to bottom,

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Speaker 2: which is utterly lawless. You is there any indication that

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Speaker 2: there's an intent to change that overall approach?

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Speaker 4: Well, and let's put be four up on the screen too,

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Speaker 4: because Ken, this is you've got a Border Patrol memo

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Speaker 4: about the Funk reference. Yeah. So yeah, but we could

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Speaker 4: throw a before up on the screen. Ken, this is

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Speaker 4: your reporting. You obtained this memo, so tell us what

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Speaker 4: this means.

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Speaker 7: So, after Bovino was reassigned and everybody sees this and

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Speaker 7: it leads to this discourse, a friend of mine in

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Speaker 7: CBP says, hey, we just got this, and you know,

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Speaker 7: as it shows on the screen there, it says we're

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Speaker 7: at a quote steady states kind of military speak for

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Speaker 7: like everything's going to stay the same and we're going

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Speaker 7: to maintain it and the operations are going to continue

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Speaker 7: as planned.

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Speaker 1: So I think that there's kind of a tug of

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Speaker 1: war going on right now.

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Speaker 7: I don't think the right reaction to that is like, oh, nothing,

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Speaker 7: you know, none of this made any difference.

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Speaker 1: They're under a lot of pressu right now.

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Speaker 7: But Trump is being pulled by his base who doesn't

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Speaker 7: want him to concede anything. But then on the other side,

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Speaker 7: there's Congress has finally gotten off its ass and you know,

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Speaker 7: requested hearings and even the Republican leadership and a lot

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Speaker 7: of these relevant committees. So he's under a lot of

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Speaker 7: pressure right now to try to feel like he can

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Speaker 7: give both sides.

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Speaker 1: Something.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I want to stress, like again, when

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Speaker 7: you talk to ICE in Border Patrol, they see this

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Speaker 7: as devastating for the agency and as something that's going

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Speaker 7: to outlive the Trump administration. But to Crystal's point about

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Speaker 7: policies and what they're allowed to do, the admin is

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Speaker 7: talking out of both sides of its mouth because internally,

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Speaker 7: and I've reported a lot of these slides and briefings,

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Speaker 7: they're being told, oh, here's what you can't do. You know,

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Speaker 7: people are allowed to film you. They can even curse

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Speaker 7: at you and swear and things. So the legal counsel

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Speaker 7: within Homeland Security has basically said all the things they're

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Speaker 7: supposed to say. But it's kind of like they're fighting

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Speaker 7: against the ADMIN, which publicly is calling these guys terrorists.

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Speaker 7: And just think about, aside from policy, think about the

1148
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Speaker 7: psychological like effect of your boss's boss's boss, the ADMIN

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Speaker 7: saying every day that it's some insurgency, it's terrorists, it's

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Speaker 7: an assault on liberty, they're going to overthrow the dark,

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Speaker 7: all these things, it's like, and then meanwhile, some lawyers, oh,

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Speaker 7: by the way, you can't do this, Like it's confusing,

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Speaker 7: and if you're a young recruit in particular, there won't

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Speaker 7: have been that sort of anybody's built up of like, okay, well,

1155
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Speaker 7: whoever's in the White House, this is how we do things.

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Speaker 7: Like they're going to listen to this stuff and consume

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Speaker 7: it and act on that basis.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of I mean, they killed the aid

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Ross, the guy who killed Renee Good. They called

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Speaker 2: him a hero. So and jade Van says, they have

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Speaker 2: absolute immunity, So what message does that send to people?

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Speaker 2: Exactly the way that they want you to behave And look,

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Speaker 2: I think that Jonathan Ross murdered renee Good. I think

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Speaker 2: Emily disagrees in what the legal definition would be. How

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Speaker 2: are you feel about that? Nobody, nobody who has looked

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Speaker 2: at this, nobody who has any law enforcement experience, thinks

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Speaker 2: that Jonathan Ross behaved in the correct way there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he put himself in danger by going in front of

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Speaker 2: the vehicle to begin with. Officer created jeopardy. And that

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Speaker 2: guy they called, they said he's a hero. They you know,

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Speaker 2: people were raising money for him. So of course that's

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Speaker 2: the message that's received, is like the most belligerent, aggressive

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Speaker 2: tactics against a group of people who have been labeled

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Speaker 2: literal domestic terrorists and are being entered into a database

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Speaker 2: and being tracked by our government as domestic terrorists. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what sort of behavior do you think that is going

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Speaker 2: to create among not just the new recruits, but all

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Speaker 2: these guys. I mean the two killers here, well actually three,

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Speaker 2: because we now know there were two agents that fired

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Speaker 2: on Alex pretty these were not new recruits. These were

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Speaker 2: guys who had years and years of experience, which I

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Speaker 2: think is you know, a very important fact here, because

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Speaker 2: you can't just sort of shift it off to like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we got these new bunch of hooligans in and they

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Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, totally. And again it's an ideological thing. I mean

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Speaker 7: there's a range of people and people that talk to me.

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Speaker 7: That's not a scientific sample. It wasn't a partisan sample

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Speaker 7: like some people are saying like, oh, just democrats, the

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Speaker 7: idea of democrats working for ICE.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of like democratic liberal ICE

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Speaker 2: agents guys. Come on, come on, yeah, signing bonus guys,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sorry, I had to do it.

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Speaker 1: What are about for me? Journalism doesn't pay?

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Speaker 4: Man need more money for macha.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, you talk to these guys and it's like,

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Speaker 7: you know, that's the way to advancement, that's the way

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Speaker 7: to you know, doing what they had been wants. And

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Speaker 7: you talked to about these briefings that they're getting where

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Speaker 7: they're like, oh, you can't do this and this. All

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01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 7: the agents I talked to were like, yeah, that's just

1202
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 7: legal checking a box so that then the adamin can

1203
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 7: say later if there's some kind of like investigation, like

1204
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 7: what do you want? We had our legal compliance tell

1205
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 7: them what they what they can do and what they

1206
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Speaker 7: can't do. But what that's missing is like what you

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Speaker 7: just said fristal, which is that all the leaders are saying.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know, uh, full immunity.

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Speaker 7: And when I ask the agents how that's received, they say, well,

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Speaker 7: that's everyone knows. That means we're going to have your

1211
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Speaker 7: back if you if you get in trouble, and that's

1212
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Speaker 7: how it's perceived. And that's I mean, that has to

1213
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,959
Speaker 7: be what it is intended to be too.

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Speaker 4: So it doesn't help you from state immunity. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they can say federal immunity as much as they want,

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01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 4: and you can the state of Minnesota can still go

1217
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 4: after your Jaidevance doesn't have control over.

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Speaker 7: Them, right, And that's why all this is so important

1219
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 7: because to the extent that Trump is even moderated, I

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Speaker 7: mean obviously there's you know, fair to criticize the cynicism there,

1221
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 7: but the law enforcement will hear that and say, oh,

1222
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Speaker 7: look they're getting a little wobbly. Maybe they maybe they

1223
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 7: won't have my back as much as I thought. So

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Speaker 7: so you know, I have a comment.

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Speaker 2: And they won't if the going gets tough, they won't.

1226
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: Like you should understand that Donald Trump is not going

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Speaker 2: to like save your ass if it is even slightly inconvenient.

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Speaker 1: For him totally, totally well.

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Speaker 2: Ken as always, thank you so much for your reporting

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Speaker 2: and for joining us to break it down. I think

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01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: it's these were incredibly valuable insights.

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Speaker 1: Thank you and thanks thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our pleasure anytime.

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Speaker 4: President Trump went to Iowa yesterday as part of what

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Speaker 4: appears to be the CZ Wilds orchestrated economic messaging speaking tour.

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Speaker 4: It was supposed to be squarely focused. The event was

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01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 4: supposed to be squarely focused on drawing attention to what

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump believes is an economy and recovery after the

1239
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Speaker 4: Biden administration. Instead, of course, it was overshadowed by the

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Speaker 4: situation in Minneapolis, just basically from start to finish, and Chris,

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Speaker 4: I watched the speech before we started this morning. It

1242
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Speaker 4: was remarkable how often Trump was pivoting back to Joe Biden,

1243
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Speaker 4: and not just on the economy in general, of making

1244
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 4: funeral right for being sleepy and crooked, but constantly reminded

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01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 4: me of like somebody who had a great high school

1246
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 4: football career and now they're thirty and can't stop talking

1247
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Speaker 4: about it. You say, he's constantly going back to high school.

1248
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Speaker 4: But let's take a listen to what Trump said as

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Speaker 4: he talked with reporters on the ground in Iowa. Oh cool,

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Speaker 4: mister President. With the current value of the dollar, do

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Speaker 4: you think it's declined too much?

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Speaker 5: No, I think it's great. I mean the value of

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Speaker 5: the dollar. Look at the business would no dollars doing great?

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Speaker 5: If a Democrat got half a point down? This is

1255
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Speaker 5: like hundreds of Depending the way you want to calculate it,

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Speaker 5: you could say it's an eighty percent reduction, or you

1257
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Speaker 5: could say it's one thousand percent reduction. You could say

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Speaker 5: whatever you want. But it's the biggest reduction in history

1259
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Speaker 5: by many, many times. I think they're the best Paul numbers,

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Speaker 5: the real Paul numbers. I think we have the best

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Speaker 5: Paul numbers we've ever had. Think of it, if I

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Speaker 5: were to run again, if I ran again, would you

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Speaker 5: would anybody? So we have some of the best call

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Speaker 5: numbers we've ever had.

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Speaker 4: Thank you all very much. Okay. So, then Trump stopped

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Speaker 4: by Fox News for an interview on the Will Kine

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Speaker 4: Show and was asked about farmers.

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Speaker 5: Here's what he said, And by the way, I just

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Speaker 5: gave the farmers twelve billion dollars because they were treated unfairly.

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Speaker 5: We take it we'll take it in a fortune with tariffs.

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Speaker 5: And I wrote him a little check about two weeks

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Speaker 5: ago for twelve billion. Anybody in this room.

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Speaker 1: Get any of it yet?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: Well, meanwhile, MS now did a man on the street

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Speaker 4: in what appears to be a Target parking lot in Iowa.

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Speaker 4: Here's what one woman told them. He needs to get

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Speaker 4: his act together, and our representatives here in Iowa need

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Speaker 4: to stop following his lead.

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Speaker 6: I'm not voting from public again.

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Speaker 4: Did you ever vote for him first time around? And

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Speaker 4: he did a good job, but then he got stupid.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

1285
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Speaker 6: Means that he just changed and it's all about him.

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Speaker 4: He thinks he's God.

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Speaker 2: So we can go ahead, and I love everything matter.

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Speaker 4: Just making me realize I want to go to target,

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Speaker 4: or need to go to target. Now, let's go ahead

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Speaker 4: and put the Trump approval rating by state up on

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Speaker 4: the screen. We're going to skip ahead one element here

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Speaker 4: because Trump's approval rating in Iowa's hovering in the low forties.

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Speaker 4: So this is from USA today, but kind of across

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Speaker 4: the board. The couple of places I looked where they

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Speaker 4: have approval ratings on a state by state basis, had

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Speaker 4: him I think between forty around like forty four or

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Speaker 4: forty three percent approval in Iowa. So Trump talked about

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Speaker 4: Crystal was he was talking about how he brought John

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Speaker 4: Deere excavator manufacturing to North Carolina, got you know, some

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Speaker 4: plause for that. He's talking about how now you don't

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Speaker 4: have to be a PhD to repair your tractor anymore,

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Speaker 4: and some lines that are economic populism, and you can

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Speaker 4: see why. At one point he asked the audience who

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Speaker 4: had a four o one guy? Because he was trying

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Speaker 4: to convince it. He was trying to convince everyone that

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Speaker 4: he's been he's been a huge economic boost to the

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Speaker 4: country because the stock market is going up. Uh, and

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Speaker 4: you talk about how he made a lot of people

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Speaker 4: rich who hate him and all of that, but also

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Speaker 4: that normal people, you know, yesked He literally at that

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Speaker 4: point was like, who was a four oh one k?

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Speaker 4: But he constantly was saying, this is the Biden administration.

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Speaker 4: We're crawling out of the hole, and we're doing such

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Speaker 4: a great job. Then he's also constantly getting diverted into

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Speaker 4: these tangents. The whole thing. I mean, I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: all the headlines this morning. It was really really overshadowed. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: even if you even if you agree with his economic messaging,

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Speaker 4: really overshadowed by Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in Iowa has been sort of uniquely hurt

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Speaker 2: by the you know, the Trump tariff schemes. The soybean

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Speaker 2: issue there looms very large, and you know, the farmers

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Speaker 2: that I've heard interviewed are like, yeah, we don't really

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Speaker 2: want a bailout from the government. We want to be

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Speaker 2: able to sell our crops like into a market. That's

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Speaker 2: what we would like. And you have a put the

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Speaker 2: last element that we have here actually up on the

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Speaker 2: screen because this indicates, you know, is indicative of where

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Speaker 2: the public opinion is and how Republicans are faring in

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Speaker 2: the state. Iowa obviously a very rural state, and you

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Speaker 2: have a Democratic candidate for governor because their governor's race

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Speaker 2: is coming up this year, who was in was actually

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Speaker 2: leading the Republican Now, this was I think a Democratic poll,

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Speaker 2: so factor that in, but say they're like roughly tied,

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Speaker 2: and I know, you know, the people that I've spoken

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Speaker 2: with in the state actually feel like Democrats have a

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Speaker 2: shot there and maybe even an outside shot at an

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Speaker 2: open Senate seat. That is that is you know up

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Speaker 2: this time around, now, I'm not going to like put

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Speaker 2: my eggs in that basket. I think it's still unlikely.

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Speaker 2: But you know, this is a state that Trump won handily, infamously,

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Speaker 2: and Seltzer thought it was going the other way. And

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Speaker 2: many people are saying, Emily, maybe she wasn't wrong. Just early.

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Speaker 4: You still got thousands of people to his rally yesterday,

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Speaker 4: and you know, it's it's it's Iowa. It's a friendly

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Speaker 4: place for him overall. But if your approval rating is

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Speaker 4: down in the forties in a place that you've seen,

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Speaker 4: I mean, he talks about how much he loves Iowa.

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Speaker 4: It's a place where he's seen a lot of success

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Speaker 4: with economic populism. Those some of those candidates in Iowa

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Speaker 4: are talking a lot about anti trust and you started

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Speaker 4: to see a little bit of that from Brooke Rollins

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 4: and Gail Slater in the AG space. So but it

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Speaker 4: seems like they're out on an island like nobody is.

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Speaker 4: Because all of the corporate lobbyists who are hounding MAGA

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Speaker 4: in Washington, DC are picking up fancy new clients who

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Speaker 4: want them to prevent that from happening. And so there's

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Speaker 4: a long way to go if they want to have

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Speaker 4: an economic populism that farmers are ultimately really happy with,

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Speaker 4: apart from being sort of sated with bailouts like in

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Speaker 4: Trump one, they've been giving him a lot of grace

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Speaker 4: and patience because they know that they have that They've

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Speaker 4: been trying to get people's attention for years to what's

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Speaker 4: happened with China and trade deficits and the like. So

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Speaker 4: they it's not as though they're, you know, they wanted

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Speaker 4: things to continue as usual. They had reasons for putting

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Speaker 4: their hope and their eggs in the Trump basket, and

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Speaker 4: they've been very patient with him. But if things keep

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Speaker 4: looking the way that they're looking, that's going to be

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Speaker 4: a much much harder case for him to make.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Iowa is an interesting test case as well,

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Speaker 2: because it really does get to the question of material politics.

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Speaker 2: When I say Iowa, it really is one of the

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Speaker 2: states that has suffered the most under Trump's economic policies.

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Speaker 2: I was just looking it up. They're ranked forty ninth

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Speaker 2: to fiftieth in terms of economic growth. They're ranked forty

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Speaker 2: eighth in terms of personal income growth, so you know,

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Speaker 2: things are not going well there. But because it is

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Speaker 2: a rural, culturally conservative state, you know, obviously Republicans for

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Speaker 2: you know, since the Obama era, he was the last

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Speaker 2: one Democrat to win Iowa, Republicans have cleaned up there

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Speaker 2: quite easily. So, you know, like I said, it will

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Speaker 2: be an interesting test case of the importance of material politics.

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Speaker 2: Although the other thing is Democrats obviously have to offer

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Speaker 2: something on that front that also looks measurably superior to

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Speaker 2: what they have got and enough for them to sort

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Speaker 2: of look away from the you know, the cultural issues

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Speaker 2: where they may disagree.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a great point. Well, if there's

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Speaker 4: widespread dissatisfaction with and even just a lack of motivation

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Speaker 4: among Trump voters on the immigration issue come November because

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Speaker 4: they're demoralized that Christy Noan hasn't done a good job,

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Speaker 4: you know, even from the perspective of immigration hawks, that

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Speaker 4: can be a problem. Trump was repeatedly trying to all right,

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Speaker 4: he said, the reason he's like, I love Iowa, but

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Speaker 4: the reason that I'm here is to start spreading this

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Speaker 4: economic message for the midterms. You know, he said, they're

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Speaker 4: not here, You're not hearing much about affordability a new

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01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:13,839
Speaker 4: word anymore. But everyone's saying, this is an affordability midterm cycle.

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Speaker 4: And then he's laying the groundwork for Republican loss in

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Speaker 4: the midterms. He said, did you know. He spent a

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Speaker 4: lot of time saying, did you know, everybody whose party

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Speaker 4: is in power and the presidency ends up losing those

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Speaker 4: first midterms and so lowering expectations a little bit. But

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Speaker 4: he was literally imploring, imploring the audience to remember like

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Speaker 4: the John Deere deal come midterm season, to remember their

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01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 4: four oh one ks come midterm season. So that's that's

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Speaker 4: where they're going with this. Meanwhile, let's put up this

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Speaker 4: post from Trump on True Social I'm hearing that the

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Speaker 4: great country of Iraq might make a very bad choice

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Speaker 4: by reinstalling Nori Almaliki as prime minister. And he goes

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Speaker 4: on to say, make a rock great again. This was

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Speaker 4: posted literally on his way to i Iowa to make

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Speaker 4: a pitch for his economic agenda. He's posting, make a

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Speaker 4: rock great again. Well, he is on the plane, yes,

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01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 4: sensibly from the timeline, he's saying make a rock great again.

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Speaker 2: And then on the way back or once he got back,

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Speaker 2: he's threatening Iran again and threatening war with Iran again.

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Speaker 2: So good hard to get the economic message to really

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Speaker 2: break through when number one, people feel like the economy sucks,

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Speaker 2: and number two, you're constantly, you know, doing these like

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Speaker 2: foreign adventures in a variety of new countries. Seems like

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Speaker 2: a new one pops up every day.

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Speaker 4: When we can put this Washington Post element up on

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Speaker 4: the screen. This was from yesterday as well. Facing US turmoil,

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Speaker 4: Europe in India announced blockbuster trade deals. So a major

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Speaker 4: free trade negotiation between Europe and India announced yesterday. Yesterday, Crystal.

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Speaker 4: So that question of you know, Mark Carney's speech in

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Speaker 4: Davos last week about the fiction, the polite fiction of

1429
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 4: the international rules based order crumbling, where he's trying to

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Speaker 4: make overtures to China. We'll see how that pans out,

1431
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Speaker 4: but where he's trying at least to move Canada closer

1432
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Speaker 4: to China amidst all of the threats from the United States,

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Speaker 4: which we were promised by Gavin Newsom was just a temporary,

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 4: a temporary disruption. We'll see how temporary it is. But

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Speaker 4: it's dormant, right is I think the word that he used,

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Speaker 4: the relationship is dormant. Some of these relationships are dormant.

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Speaker 4: Then you have Europe and India trying to move closer together,

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01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 4: and the realignment is happening in the background here. I

1439
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,679
Speaker 4: think it's unclear what happens at the end of the day.

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01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 4: If when Trump leaves office, maybe a Democratic president comes in.

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,839
Speaker 4: It's Possiblely Gavin Newsom is right, and these relationships were dormant,

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01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 4: and there's an effort to kind of rebuild, but meaningful

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Speaker 4: that these relationships are now sprouting up or closening opening

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Speaker 4: during the second Trump administration, m