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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast

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Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazier.

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Speaker 2: And I got a really special guest today. Good friend

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Speaker 2: of mine trains with us at Unbreakable. Also he is

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Speaker 2: a stud of an actor Before that, though, if you're

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Speaker 2: like many people, you may be surprised to learn that

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Speaker 2: one in five adults in this country experience mental illness

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Speaker 2: last year. I am definitely one of those five. Get

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Speaker 2: far too many failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn,

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Speaker 2: behavioral health is doing something about it. They understand that

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Speaker 2: behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering

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Speaker 2: compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs

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Speaker 2: in tandem.

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Speaker 3: Caryln behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy

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Speaker 3: and action.

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Speaker 2: With that, I want to bring in a very close

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Speaker 2: friend of mine, Steven mel who you guys may know

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Speaker 2: from Arrow, you may know from Heels, you may.

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Speaker 3: Know from a ton of things. He's had a ton

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Speaker 3: of credits but Arrow for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: Heels Now is coming up up on second season, which

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Speaker 2: pretty wild, man, I dude, I went to wrestle Media

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Speaker 2: one growing up at Madison Square Garden. Muhammad Ali, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Muhammed Ali was the referee. There's mister T and Hulkogan

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Speaker 2: against Roddy Roddy Plapper and Paul Orndorf and Jimmy super

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Speaker 2: Flassnika was in the good Guys corner and coming by

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Speaker 2: Bob Horton was in the other corner, and man, it

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Speaker 2: was like everything.

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Speaker 3: For me as a twelve year old. Wow, how about that?

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Speaker 4: So I got into wrestling shortly thereafter, and then sort

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Speaker 4: of like eighty eight eighty nine because that was eighty five,

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Speaker 4: and then I went back and I bought the VHS

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Speaker 4: tapes and like went into WrestleMania one, two, three, and four,

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Speaker 4: I think, not knowing what happens. And of course you

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Speaker 4: could get away with that back in the day because

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Speaker 4: you're not going on the internet and finding out the results.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, wow, the garden. I've never been to Madison

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Speaker 4: Square Guard You serious for a sporting event?

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Speaker 4: The premiere of Teenage Meeting Ninja Turtles Out of the

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Speaker 4: Shadows was in the theater where they used to have

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Speaker 4: the NBA Draft for all those years. I've never been,

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Speaker 4: never seen a Rangers game. In the next game, it's

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Speaker 4: it's kind of embarrassing at this point.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you something.

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Speaker 2: Wow. In the nineties, I used to host a show

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Speaker 2: from there with Kurt Menafie, who's now obviously the host

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Speaker 2: of Box NFL Sunday Unnecessary Roughness.

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Speaker 3: We were right there.

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Speaker 2: When you walk into like going into I think beef

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Speaker 2: Steak Charlie's was next to it, and you'd go into

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Speaker 2: just to bail our asses out of this, you know,

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Speaker 2: not having somebody and it was but listen, that's how

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Speaker 2: you have to cut your teeth right, and you know,

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Speaker 2: performing in front of zero people, so you know you

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Speaker 2: you look you your big break was Outrow.

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Speaker 3: Would you say that was your biggest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, sure. I think in the way that you

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Speaker 4: the business, this is the first role that's going to

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Speaker 4: reporter or Deadline. In reality, was the tenth job that

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Speaker 4: I had gotten over a period of about two years

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Speaker 3: But none as leads. Right, Er was the first lead.

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Speaker 4: Was the first lead. It was not it was not

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Speaker 4: They have to see a track record. You know, they

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Er was the Er was the big one.

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Speaker 2: Again, I told you, like, man, you now know because

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Speaker 2: years was it just rejection? Rejection, rejection, rejection before you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen a mental health podcast. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Being able to deal with mental health during these issues

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that the mental health is that I

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Speaker 4: And I mean, I thought, I don't know, I think

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Speaker 4: you know. But I also too, when I came out

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Speaker 2: So well, yeah, became what became you said it used

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Speaker 4: Getting better at it in the early going, using it

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Speaker 4: And I get people that come up to me all

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Speaker 4: with a charity called fuck Cancer. And I'm assuming that

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Speaker 3: Shit me.

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Speaker 4: I've found this charity called fuck Cancer. Sure. Back in

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Speaker 2: I know you're a huge football fan because you'll text

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Speaker 2: me constantly during the Rams games, right, and look, I've

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Speaker 2: got you know from I've Got the Fight. Came as

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Speaker 2: I've got the Fight fans forever and the football John's

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Speaker 2: forever as well. How are comic book fans different than

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Speaker 4: Bryce Young, okay, but you're not walking up to Bryce

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Speaker 4: it's so that, you know, comic fans they're like they're

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Speaker 4: When you go to Unbreakable, you work out for sixty

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Speaker 3: Don't fuck it. Yeah, we don't show it. We don't

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Speaker 2: He went out for like another thirty but van Orzel

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Speaker 2: and then you start sharpening your weapons even more.

436
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 3: And it's not gonna happen with everybody.

437
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 2: But if it could happen on the number one contender slot,

438
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 2: I mean, shit, that's good enough.

439
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 4: Because you can quantify a guy by by looking at him.

440
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 4: You look across the cage. You know, you look across

441
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 4: the line because I played football a little bit in

442
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 4: high school and it's like, well, okay, I'm bigger than

443
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 4: this guy, or I'm small than this guy or the

444
00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 4: center c but like, you can't quantify and measure crazy, right,

445
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 4: You just can't. And that's that's intimidating. You see a

446
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 4: lot of them, Yeah, I see a lot of endurance challenges.

447
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 4: You know when they when they get down to two

448
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 4: people and these people are locked in and normally the

449
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 4: person gives up, not because they're not because they reach

450
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 4: the point of physical exhaustion, but because they look across

451
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 4: at the other person. I'm not mentally, I'm not mentally

452
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 4: at this person's level.

453
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 3: And Randy is a fucked up individual. And I say

454
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 3: this with love.

455
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 2: He has the sweetest to him being off the matter

456
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 2: cage there, he's a different person. We had Marvel sent

457
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: in Natalie Portant for us to train I remember for

458
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,239
Speaker 2: the Thor movie, right, and I was like, Hey, you're

459
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: gonna work with Randy Getorkau. You're gonna be doing some

460
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: five stuff. This guy's one of the expendables. She didn't

461
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: care and Randy on her very first day puts her

462
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 2: hands up and proceeds to punch her in the face

463
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: about seventy four times. I'm like, broke. She looked like

464
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 2: a pez dispenser. It's Natalie Portant, bro, what the fuck

465
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 2: are you doing? He's like, watch us how to keep

466
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 2: hands up. Literally, He's like, just learn how to keep

467
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: her hands up.

468
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, she doesn't, dude. But that's that's like

469
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,719
Speaker 3: week five. Don't worry about that.

470
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: Never came back again. And last we saw from Naale's dormant.

471
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: But in Random's mind, he really thinks he's helping her.

472
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 4: You know, I swear to God back in two I

473
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 4: probably think two thousand and eighteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

474
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 4: I was in there with my wife and we were

475
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 4: we were we're sparring after after the workout, and you know,

476
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 4: you never know who the coach is going to be,

477
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 4: and in this case, it happened to be former UC

478
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 4: heavyweight champion. Oh it's Randy. Randy okay, And so he

479
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 4: gets he gets up there and and Cass and I,

480
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 4: Cass and Iris are sparring, and he's like, no, no, no,

481
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 4: you gotta like actually like try to hit her, otherwise

482
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 4: she's not gonna she's not gonna move. And he gets

483
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 4: in there. He gets in there with me and says

484
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: the same thing to her, and then he cracks me

485
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 4: in the face two times, and he's like, look, man,

486
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: it's just getting hit in the head. It's just getting

487
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: hit in the head. I turned him and I go, Randy,

488
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 4: I'm in my late thirties. I had never been punched

489
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 4: in the face before. That was the first fucking time

490
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 4: that hurt a lot graduations. I feel like water's coming

491
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 4: out of my ears, like holy shit. So yeah, I've

492
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 4: been punched one time in my life and it was

493
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 4: by Randy.

494
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: Randy control and I want people to know they're listening

495
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: to homegoing, I'll never go downbreakable. This doesn't happen normally.

496
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: Randy's out there tormenting people like this. He does it

497
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: to me quite a bit, or Jay Ron or Chuck Oddell.

498
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 3: And that's the coolest thing we've had. There were you

499
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 3: there when Chuck and Randy locked up. Stallone was in

500
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: there and damnd and the whole place stopped, like, whoa,

501
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 3: this is Ali and Frasier. We get to watch this.

502
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: They've never trained before.

503
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 2: It was the first time and Randy ran the practice,

504
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: and his practices are so brutal. Chuck and I both

505
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: we like when we had like thirty second breaks. We're

506
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 2: like texting people to call us. So we're like, how

507
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: to make take business calls because his fucking practice is

508
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: going to GoF for three hours. And we have Chris Pratton.

509
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: There were a lot trained under Randy. When he was

510
00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: fourteen at a wrestling camp or twelve and Oregon State

511
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: wrestling camp. Randy was the assistant coach at Oregon State

512
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: and he said, uh, the first time Chris Pratt came

513
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: in there, he said, oh, is that is that coach Cartur?

514
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, how can you call him coach? He's like,

515
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I can't believe it's coach Gatur. I said,

516
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: what's going on? He's an avenger? You know what the

517
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: f's going on?

518
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 2: And he's like, man, when I was, you know, twelve

519
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: or fourteen, I was at this Oregon State wrestling camp

520
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: and the coach said, heye, one kid here, Christopher Pratt.

521
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: Really picked things up fast.

522
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: Christopher plans to a Granby roll, fireman's carry and you

523
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: know something else.

524
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: And he's like that coach was Randy Gatur.

525
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 4: Wow?

526
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: How about that small? Like our gym is the Kevin

527
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: Bacon of gym's that's.

528
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, right, I think, And you know it helps

529
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: me a lot too, because first of all, Pratt looks

530
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 4: like he could have been a pro athlete.

531
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: That dude, cav's ridiculous.

532
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's you know, I growing up, I did,

533
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 4: like one of my goals before my one of my

534
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 4: goals was to be an actor. I wanted to be

535
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 4: a professional. I wanted to be a professional athlete. And

536
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 4: and it's nice going into it's nice going into Unbreakable

537
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 4: when I realized that even if I had really really

538
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 4: tried hard, probably would have made it.

539
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: Because there's just.

540
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 4: I mean, there are some of the cats that yeah

541
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: about it, No, I just you know, you see it,

542
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 4: you see it. You know when February or March rules

543
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 4: around and and these guys start, these guys start to

544
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 4: heal up from the NFL season and they start to

545
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 4: come back into the gym, it's like, Okay, that doesn't

546
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 4: totally look like a normal human being. I couldn't. No,

547
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 4: I couldn't do that.

548
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 3: Do you notice how cool they are there?

549
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons I want people to

550
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: understand this about Unbreakable. It is a mental health facility.

551
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: Right for me, for my mental health issues, I need

552
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: a community, I need a family. We have no mirrors

553
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: and unbreakable, because I don't want you ever know that

554
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: no unbreakable. I don't want anybody's back turned to the

555
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: rest of the team. I need a team to kind

556
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: of navigate the real world, if you will.

557
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: And that's my team.

558
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: That's my same place, And that's why everybody in there

559
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: has zero ego. So it's more of a mental health

560
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: space where you could be vulnerable with people. It doesn't

561
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: matter who the fuck they are, like, they're all there

562
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: for the same vulnerability.

563
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 4: When I'm in Los Angeles, that's my mental health break spot.

564
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 4: That's my that's my spot for me. I always awesome.

565
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: This is our teammate's great, that's.

566
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 4: Nice if you oh my goodness. First of all, you

567
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 4: go in there and they give you the norm from cheers.

568
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: You walk and like that, and at first you feel

569
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: a little weird, and then all of a sudden, within

570
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 4: you know, a couple of weeks, when someone comes in there,

571
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: you shout their name back, and it fosters this this

572
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: this environment where you're encouraged to go up and introduce

573
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 4: yourself to people and you know and and and not

574
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 4: be intimidated by anyone. And you know someone like you

575
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: know a lot of people that are in there, they

576
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 4: can easily walk around your spot.

577
00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

578
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 4: Oh man. So you know, Wiz works out real hard

579
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 4: when he gets in there. And he his son and

580
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 4: my daughter were in the same pres preschool class in

581
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 4: LA and we went to their moving on ceremony whatever

582
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: that is in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. So Wiz

583
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 4: is there and he's just it's he's he's such a

584
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 4: lovely guy. And you know, he and I hadn't really

585
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 4: talked that much. But then after the moving on ceremony,

586
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 4: we didn't have childcare help, so Cats and I actually

587
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: brought our daughter to the gym. Wiz is already in there.

588
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 4: He's working with a trainer. He's like, no, no, his

589
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 4: kid wasn't His kids wasn't His kid wasn't there. But

590
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: he's in there. He's like he's kickboxing and he's like

591
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: working hard. He shirtless, hes got a huge sweat. They

592
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: were in a class they were called dragonflies. Right we

593
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: walk in there, Wiz doesn't look at me, doesn't look

594
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: at Cass spots Maverick and goes, I know what dragonfly?

595
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 4: When I see what comes over and wrapped off. Yeah.

596
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 4: So when I'm in La. It's important for me. I

597
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 4: set aside a time. If I go at ten or

598
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 4: twelve or eight, I'm there from either eight to ten,

599
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: ten to twelve, twelve to two, and that is my time,

600
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 4: and bring I bring my little notebook and in between sets,

601
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: I'm certainly not looking in the mirror because it's not

602
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: an option, but I'm writing shit down as I you know,

603
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: because that it gets my creative juices flowing. No, it

604
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: is a it is. It is at its core, a

605
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: real team environment. And I don't know what you do

606
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: with the staff. I'm terrible. I'm terrible with names. But

607
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: you obviously queue up everybody to make sure that they

608
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: remember because yeah, it's really cool.

609
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: Well you do something else too. I think it's really

610
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: cool with building communities, and people were talking about how

611
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: they're built, but it's through wine.

612
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: So we my buddy and I started knocking point wine. Gosh.

613
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: It was back in twenty thirteen, you know. In two

614
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 4: thousand and fourteen, it was the first time that we

615
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: ever threw a party. I think our first party was

616
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: in LA but the winery is out of Walla Walla, Washington,

617
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: and we threw a spring release party for the first

618
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: time in twenty fourteen, and Walla Walla, for the uninitiated,

619
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: is a really really small community that now has a

620
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 4: ton of wineries. It's very unique in terms of climate

621
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: and what have you in Washington State, southeastern part of

622
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: Washington State. I mean, they're basically there are roads where

623
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: on one side you're in Washington State and one side

624
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: you're in Oregon. And you know, a lot of people

625
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: from all over the United States and frankly a couple

626
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: of people from from Europe as well. It made the

627
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 4: pilgrimage to Walla Walla and you know, here we are.

628
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: We just had our tenth annual release party this past

629
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: weekend and a lot of the people that were there

630
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 4: the first time we're still there the tenth time. And

631
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: we were talking on our call today because we started

632
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: a sort of wine club based and we would throw

633
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: parties all over the United States when I was doing conventions,

634
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: and you know, I just I noticed it was this

635
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: really it was this really subtle thing where we were.

636
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: We had this private area set up for us at

637
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: the Walla Walla Suites versus Yakima. I don't know, something

638
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 4: triple a baseball game that they had going on there

639
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: minor league baseball game might not have been triple A.

640
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 4: You know, we had someone that that came there for

641
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: the weekend and they showed up and they had just

642
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 4: been in a little bit of an accident. They were

643
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: on crutches and stuff like that. And I just watched

644
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: like six of our members that had become friends through

645
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: Knocking Point just get up and help this person and

646
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: give them a big hug and say hi. So when

647
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 4: we had our our weekly call today, we're just talking

648
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: about the fact that, you know, we've built a really

649
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: good community of people, and it feels also it feels

650
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 4: like like a team. You know, when people get to

651
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: Walla Walla every year, it's like they go to their

652
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: favorite spots and they meet up with people and maybe

653
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 4: they don't see them, you know, except for that weekend

654
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: every year. And I just think that, you know, everybody

655
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: needs a squad, everybody, you know, nobody, nobody can do

656
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: it alone. I mean I you know, my I think

657
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: my kids, you know, Maverick and Bowen, like they don't

658
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: know it, they're my squad, right, I need them, Cassandra

659
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: is my is my squad, you know. I The more time,

660
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: you know, the longer that we've been married, and the

661
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: longer that I've been a dad, the harder it now

662
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 4: is to ever be away from them, right because they're

663
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: my people. And if I'm I'm yeah, I mean I.

664
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: I have been on a path for a couple of

665
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: years now of really working towards getting sober, and that's

666
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 4: mostly been a cut back path, and it hasn't been

667
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: straightforward because you know, I've done a lot of reading,

668
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: a lot of research about it, and you know, what

669
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: happens with certain people is if alcohol becomes a part

670
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: of your life, and it was for me for the

671
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 4: better part of my twenties and my and then through arrow,

672
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: alcohol became something that you just did at the end

673
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: of the day, at the end of a long day,

674
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: you have a drink, and there was never really a

675
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: bad moment along the way. But I'm doing a lot

676
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: of reading, and you know, eventually you can basically rewire

677
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: your brain and eventually it becomes something that you become

678
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 4: dependent on. And you know, you talk about the blue

679
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: and the gray. For me, I constantly, I constantly reference

680
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: this thing that I learned called halt, where if you know,

681
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: if you're getting a craving, if you're doing of those things.

682
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, are you hungry, angry, lonely, or tired?

683
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 4: And you know, when it comes to building a team,

684
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: you know, you eliminate the lonely one immediately because if

685
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: I'm with my family, never lonely ever. But if i

686
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: get stuck somewhere traveling and I'm hungry, I'm probably gonna

687
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 4: get a little anger read and I'm traveling, so I'm tired.

688
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: If I'm lonely, I mean, that's that's the that's the

689
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: quad box right there.

690
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: And you're looking like, all right, I have this crater

691
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: or something. I'm gonna say, halt. If any category is hit,

692
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm not eating.

693
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: Is that what you do?

694
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, if any of if any of those four are happening,

695
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: I'm immediately I mean going, how do I how do

696
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: I fix this? If it's as simple as eating something,

697
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: then then then then then eat and satiate yourself.

698
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: You know you're hungry, right, but if you're tired, you'll

699
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: find something else.

700
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: I well, one hundred percent find something else. And that's

701
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: when it comes down to, like I think, I think

702
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: one of the first things that you do when you're

703
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: trying to you know, achieve sobriety is is you you build,

704
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: you build a network, right and and I've got I've

705
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: got seven eight people that I really trust that they

706
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: know if I call them it means that they need

707
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: to pick up the phone. And I'm lucky. I don't.

708
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: I don't deal with I don't deal with cravings. I

709
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: deal with boredom right right, and and and and boredom,

710
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: boredoms that is tough, you know what I mean? Or

711
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: it's just like and also to and when you go

712
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: through I think the thing that the thing that I'm

713
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 4: trying to reconstruct right now is that we go through

714
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: life and almost all of your reward moments or your

715
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 4: moments of celebration have involved alcohol, because that's such a

716
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: normal thing for a lot of people. To then take

717
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: that away, it takes a while for you to not

718
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: feel like you're missing something or you're missing out on something,

719
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 4: when when in fact, you know, being at the super

720
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: Bowl when the Rams beat the beat the Bengals and

721
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: being sober is just infinitely better than any other.

722
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: Getting tired your president, your president, that that's that's for sure,

723
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: Like I take away I take away all.

724
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: The memories from that entire day, right like I think

725
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: I thinking back, and I think it was actually the

726
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: NFC Championship game where you know, and I was also there.

727
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: It was also so far, it was also sober, and

728
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: you know, I'm I'm there just enjoying it. And I

729
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: snapped a photo of you and Whitworth hugging on the

730
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: field back game and sent it to you, and.

731
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking about is that true? Yes?

732
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: We both? Yes?

733
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 4: Hey?

734
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: Great?

735
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: Good? And just to think of to think of those

736
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: two games and to juxtapose them with the NFC Championship

737
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: game in New Orleans in twenty nineteen and the Super

738
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: Bowl in Atlanta versus the Saints and the and the

739
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: past respectively. I went to both those games, but I

740
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: stressed drength the entire time. And did I have a

741
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: good time? Yeah?

742
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: Did it?

743
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: Did the night end in disaster? No? Do I have

744
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 4: any lasting memories. I don't. It's just all shapes. There's

745
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: no there's no cool conversations with my with our friends

746
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: George and Elissa, who you know, share seats with, or

747
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: my buddy Frank that flew in for the game, or

748
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: you know, just just for me.

749
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: If you're if you're living this sober life now, how

750
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 2: are you doing the wine stuff?

751
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: Just do it. That's more a community now for you.

752
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's about it's it's more. It's more about community.

753
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: Drinking for you now the community.

754
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: No, No, And you know if you're if you're doing

755
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: a wine tasting with people, you can have a few

756
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 4: SIPs and stuff like that. You know, I'm not a

757
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: I'm not a I'm not a hard line. You know,

758
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 4: you go back to zero if you do something wrong.

759
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: I think that that's a little archaic, but you know,

760
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: it becomes it just becomes about the It just becomes

761
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 4: about the community. Is it the most convenient thing? No,

762
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 4: it's not. No, it's not to be a the walla

763
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: walla for for a wine weekend when you're not you're

764
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 4: not gonna have a ton to drink. Is not the easiest,

765
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 4: but you know, but it's listen, that's life. It happens.

766
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: Last question for me, I asked all my guests this

767
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: as their last question. Give me your a breakable moment,

768
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: that moment in your life it should have broken, you didn't,

769
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: and as a result, you came through the other side

770
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: of that tunnel stronger. You could use that now for

771
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: the rest of your life.

772
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: That's a great question.

773
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 3: Damn right, why do this?

774
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to go to December of I'm going

775
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 4: to go to December of two thousand and two thousand

776
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: and nine and just just just getting just getting back

777
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: to Toronto and getting back to a just getting back

778
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: to a to a broken to a broken relationship and

779
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: to a person that didn't want to be with me anymore.

780
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: And you know, with the benefit of hindsight, I realized

781
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: that obviously it was it was for the best, but

782
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 4: in that particular moment, my life was over. It was over.

783
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 4: I had no I had no prospects, I had no

784
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: I didn't think I had any friends, and that that

785
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: that broke me. I cried on my mom's shoulder on

786
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 4: a Saturday morning after we broke up on the Friday night,

787
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: like like a little fucking kid that sobbed, you know,

788
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: could that cry where you can't catch your breath cry?

789
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: And then I went home and just kind of sat

790
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 4: there and I remember, I just I I remember taking

791
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: all of the things in the apartment that we had

792
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: bought together and just like taking them off the wall

793
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 4: or removing them from a cabinet or whatever, and just

794
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 4: putting them all in one spot and just sitting there.

795
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: And then I called a buddy and said, hey man,

796
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: we got to go out for a beer. He's like,

797
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: where are you? I'll be there in fifteen minutes. And

798
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 4: just that said, hey man, I'm struggling before.

799
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: Now we're trying to make it cool to do the

800
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: exact same thing.

801
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and and you know what, and and it

802
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 4: was just that I think that people need to remember that,

803
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: you know, even in that even in that one moment

804
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: where you think that everything is just sit you pick

805
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: up the phone and you just get that that little

806
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 4: spark of human connection or happiness or order some vanilla

807
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: ice cream or something like that sounds stupid, You just

808
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: got that little spark, that little spark, and you can

809
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: build back up that fire.

810
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: Well, I can say this. I don't know if the

811
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: girl's listening right now, but did she fuck up?

812
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 4: No? She didn't, No, no, you know what. There's the

813
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 4: thing though, it's very very very important to note. She

814
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 4: didn't do wrong by me. She just oh sure, okay, No,

815
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: I don't think so she's doing great. I got I got,

816
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: I got nothing, but I got nothing but love for her.

817
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: I got nothing but love for her.

818
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: Well, Man, I got nothing but love for you.

819
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: Brother. I appreciate you being my unbreakable team, my brother

820
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: in every way. Thank you, Thank you so much.

821
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: Man. Heal's two ones that come out.

822
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 4: Heels comes back for season two Friday night, ten o'clock

823
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: July twenty eighth, And if you are a Stars person,

824
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 4: get the Stars app catch up on season one. We're

825
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 4: gonna I think we're gonna pull a bunch of it

826
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 4: in front of the paywall. So if you're a wrestling fan,

827
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: if you like you know, if you like Friday night Lights,

828
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: if you like family drama, all that stuff, you don't

829
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: have to like wrestling to watch it. But very proud

830
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 4: of our second season and it's back on July twenty eighth,

831
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 4: my sister's birthday.

832
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: Man, I'm proud to walk this walk with you, my brother.

833
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

834
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: Thank you.

835
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: Jay,