Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the Khan.
Speaker 2: My name's Peggy and I'm the CEO of King Management.
Speaker 2: King Management is a company I founded because I wanted
Speaker 2: to help professional athletes manage their finances.
Speaker 1: Professional athletes like NBA superstar Dennis Rodman, who hires this
Speaker 1: beguiling money manager in two thousand and nine to take
Speaker 1: the reins of his financial life. She said she's a
Speaker 1: Harvard grad. She said she made millions of dollars on
Speaker 1: Wall Street. She said she's creating generational wealth for Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodman with savvy investments She's making all over the world.
Speaker 1: She said a lot of things.
Speaker 3: She mentioned to us to call her Raquale.
Speaker 1: But three years after Raquel aka Peggy gets power of
Speaker 1: attorney and takes full control of all of Dennis Rodman's
Speaker 1: bank accounts and finances, things start going off the rails.
Speaker 4: Who called me and say my cable is off or
Speaker 4: my power is off. He was renting out this place
Speaker 4: in Eventuro. The landlord will call me all the time,
Speaker 4: like the lake, and I'm like.
Speaker 5: What are you talking about? The rent is late. He's
Speaker 5: got plenty of money. D Rinch shouldn't be late.
Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton, and this is Queen of the Khan
Speaker 1: The Athlete Whisperer Episode two, Victorious Secrets.
Speaker 5: This is Today with Savannah go Thrie.
Speaker 1: And It's twenty thirteen and Dennis Rodman is on the
Speaker 1: Today Show being interviewed by Lester Holt about all the
Speaker 1: headlines he's been making for not paying child support. At
Speaker 1: this point, the public perception is that Dennis Rodman is broke,
Speaker 1: struggling with his addiction to alcohol, and can't afford to
Speaker 1: take care of himself or his family.
Speaker 5: Are you broken? No, I'm not broke at all.
Speaker 1: I'm not one of the guys and me not the
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan money or the Scottic Pippy money. I mean
Speaker 1: a decent living in the NBA. But broke.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not broke part and person.
Speaker 6: With all your legal problems, people around you have said
Speaker 6: that you're sick, that you're not well, and they've talked
Speaker 6: specifically about your struggles with alcohol.
Speaker 1: What Lester Holt has no way of knowing here is
Speaker 1: that while Dennis Rodman does have a well documented drinking problem,
Speaker 1: according to his manager at the time, he's still making
Speaker 1: a lot of money doing movies, TV shows and public appearances.
Speaker 4: We'd go to events and sometimes they pay us in CASS.
Speaker 4: We could have one hundred thousand thousand cass. It wasn't
Speaker 4: a lot of money to us.
Speaker 1: Regardless, all that money would go straight to his financial manager, Peggy,
Speaker 1: to supposedly pay all of Dennis's bills, especially his child support.
Speaker 1: She's the one with power of attorney. She's the one
Speaker 1: depositing every dollar into his bank account, a bank account
Speaker 1: he no longer has access to. That was the arrangement
Speaker 1: he made with Peggy years earlier. Dennis Rodman didn't trust
Speaker 1: himself to be a good steward of his money, so
Speaker 1: he put all his trust in Peggy and insisted everyone
Speaker 1: around him trust her too.
Speaker 4: You have to remember, Prince Marketing Group has to send
Speaker 4: the money to wherever Dennis wants them to.
Speaker 1: Prince Marketing Group was one of the companies getting Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodman endorsement deals at the time and booking him lucrative
Speaker 1: public appearances.
Speaker 4: Their fiduciary responsibility is to Dennis. It's his decision, it's
Speaker 4: his money. He can send it anywhere he wants. I
Speaker 4: was advising him very strongly not to send it anymore
Speaker 4: to Peggy, because I just didn't have any trust in her.
Speaker 1: And at the height of his public money woes, Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodman's girlfriend at the time, Gigi, steps in and tries
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of things.
Speaker 7: I'm calling Peggy, going, what's going on? Where's the money?
Speaker 7: I know that he just did a gig. She's like, oh, well,
Speaker 7: you know he has back taxes. All that money had
Speaker 7: to go to the irs. He doesn't have any money, Gigi.
Speaker 7: He has no money, and.
Speaker 8: I would say, how is that possible?
Speaker 1: According to Gig, Dennis is getting numb to it all
Speaker 1: at this point and resentful, but he's not necessarily angry
Speaker 1: at Peggy. He's just fed up with the situation in general.
Speaker 7: So he would go to work and he felt like
Speaker 7: he was working for free, you know. He'd go and work,
Speaker 7: do the job, and then wasn't rewarded for it because
Speaker 7: it was all according to Peggy.
Speaker 8: Oh, I'm sorry, Dennis.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, honey, but you don't get anything this time
Speaker 7: because all this had to go here, here and here
Speaker 7: and here.
Speaker 8: So he was going like, why do I even try?
Speaker 1: And Gigi wasn't the only one taken aback by Dennis's
Speaker 1: cash flow problem. His manager at the time was also
Speaker 1: growing very very suspicious of where and how Peggy was
Speaker 1: supposedly investing all of Dennis's money, so he did some snooping.
Speaker 4: I had a buddy of mine who worked for a
Speaker 4: private investment bank, have a meeting with her, and he
Speaker 4: went and met with her, and he called me right
Speaker 4: after and he's like, she.
Speaker 9: Couldn't explain any of the investments because she always claimed
Speaker 9: that she was investing some of his money in some
Speaker 9: overseas investment.
Speaker 4: When he went to try to ascertain, okay, well, exactly
Speaker 4: what are you doing, like how are you handling it?
Speaker 4: She just couldn't speak on a very competent level as
Speaker 4: to like finance. She just didn't understand like basic finance.
Speaker 4: So there's no way she was invested this money because
Speaker 4: she couldn't even explain what she was doing.
Speaker 5: Nor did this get any reports.
Speaker 1: And that was the other troubling thing. Peggy was just
Speaker 1: not leaving any kind of paper trail at all. She
Speaker 1: didn't appear to be documenting anything.
Speaker 5: It was so ambiguous.
Speaker 4: I could never get a straight answer from anybody. And
Speaker 4: I talked to Dennis and he would say, oh, well,
Speaker 4: you know, she's handling my stuff and I'm paying her
Speaker 4: to handle it. I go, well, how much are you
Speaker 4: paying her? Like he could never really communicate to me
Speaker 4: what the arrangement was because I would ask Peggy, like, Peggy,
Speaker 4: what is the arrangement you have? Where are the documents?
Speaker 4: Where are the bank statements? And she would always have
Speaker 4: an answer for everything.
Speaker 1: And when Peggy was asked where Dennis Rodman's child support
Speaker 1: payments were, or his tax payments or his rent money.
Speaker 5: She was like the best at saying the check is
Speaker 5: in the mail.
Speaker 4: She always was like, oh, I sent it from the
Speaker 4: wrong account, or oh the wired didn't come in, or
Speaker 4: oh someone at the bank didn't whatever.
Speaker 5: The bank closed early.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, one by one. The people in
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman's life try to warn him about Peggy.
Speaker 5: And he would just kind of blow it off.
Speaker 1: Dennis's girlfriend at the time, Gigi, makes plea after plea
Speaker 1: after plea.
Speaker 7: I was like, Dennis, I've been telling you that this
Speaker 7: doesn't make sense. I've been telling you that I feel
Speaker 7: like Peggy's stealing. He kept saying na, na, na, and
Speaker 7: I'd say she's stealing from you, Like, literally, where's this
Speaker 7: money going?
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman is flat out refusing to believe Peggy is
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. After all, she's like a mother to
Speaker 1: him at this point, even though he's getting blasted in
Speaker 1: the press for not making his child support payments, which
Speaker 1: was entirely Peggy's responsibility. She's supposed to be paying all
Speaker 1: his bills, especially his child support.
Speaker 6: It's just kind of a heartless move.
Speaker 1: My buddy, Evan Goldstein, like.
Speaker 6: Steal the other shit, but like, how about you at
Speaker 6: least like stick to the paying for the little kids.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like, as a father, like shit like that pisses
Speaker 6: me off man.
Speaker 1: So I spoke to Michelle, Dennis Rodman's ex wife, and
Speaker 1: she agreed to the interview. Then she backed out of
Speaker 1: the interview, but in a half hour so I spoke
Speaker 1: to her. She did tell me she knew Peggy was
Speaker 1: a scammer from the get real. She said the minute
Speaker 1: Peggy entered their lives, the money stopped. She would get evicted,
Speaker 1: She'd be staying in motels. The money for their kids,
Speaker 1: she couldn't buy them groceries like. She talked about being
Speaker 1: in constant desperation for money from Dennis to support the
Speaker 1: kids and her that just stopped coming when Peggy came
Speaker 1: on board, so she knew Peggy was up to no good. Yea,
Speaker 1: and Michelle Rodbin blew the whistle early and often, but
Speaker 1: nobody was listening, including Dennis Rodbin. And maybe it's because
Speaker 1: by then she was his ex wife. And you know,
Speaker 1: even that title alone, it doesn't engender much like Sharster
Speaker 1: believe you think she's got an extra grind. But Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodbin's manager at the time, remembers all too well Michelle
Speaker 1: Rodbin's concerns.
Speaker 4: We're standing in the four yer of the house and
Speaker 4: Michelle pulled me aside. She said, you know, Peggy's stealing
Speaker 4: from Dennis. That's the first time anyone like said out
Speaker 4: loud what I was thinking, like, there's something off here.
Speaker 4: But she was the first one to come out and
Speaker 4: say it. And that's what started the ball rolling as
Speaker 4: far as my mindset, And it was just maddening because
Speaker 4: I'm like, Dennis, listen, man, you have got to do
Speaker 4: something about this, and he just wouldn't do it. We
Speaker 4: tried for years, years to get him to fire her.
Speaker 5: He just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: At this point, Peggy, in an attempt to share responsibility
Speaker 1: with Dennis's manager, or share blame tries to include him
Speaker 1: on Dennis's financials.
Speaker 4: Peggy wanted to add me onto Dennis's accounts, and I said, absolutely,
Speaker 4: under no circumstances will I be listed on any of
Speaker 4: his accounts.
Speaker 1: Little does Peggy know she's about to be found out.
Speaker 1: We'll explain how after the break. Welcome back to Queen
Speaker 1: of the Cohn. Dennis Rodman's financial manager. Peggy is doing
Speaker 1: some shady things and it's all about to catch up
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 4: Peggy wanted to add me onto Dennis's accounts, and I said, absolutely,
Speaker 4: under no circumstances will I be listed on any of
Speaker 4: his accounts.
Speaker 1: Around this time in twenty thirteen, Dennis Rodman hires a
Speaker 1: new attorney to go to court and make the case
Speaker 1: that his child support payments should be reduced because he's
Speaker 1: not making the kind of money he was making back
Speaker 1: in the heyday when he was playing in the NBA.
Speaker 1: He's making much less now, so his child support payment
Speaker 1: should be based on his current income and not what
Speaker 1: he was making a decade or so earlier. But by
Speaker 1: Peggy defaulting on his current child support payments, it causes
Speaker 1: a bunch of problems for Dennis that no one sees coming.
Speaker 1: According to the family attorney Dennis Hires, one.
Speaker 11: Of the major issues is when he would have to travel.
Speaker 11: Obviously he need a passport, like we all would, and
Speaker 11: if you don't pay your child support, your passport gets revoked.
Speaker 11: So that's what was consistently happening. The passport issue took
Speaker 11: on a life of its own right, So that was
Speaker 11: sort of like a case in and of itself.
Speaker 1: I was dealing with a child.
Speaker 11: Support enforcement agency and pretty much begging them please, like,
Speaker 11: let him use his passport. Here's the proof, here's the contract.
Speaker 11: He wants to make money, he wants to pay everybody,
Speaker 11: you know, so he literally would be afraid to go
Speaker 11: to the airport for fear of being stopped.
Speaker 8: It's horrible. It is a horrible situation to be in.
Speaker 1: On the bright side, though, once this new attorney starts
Speaker 1: looking into Dennis's finances to make her child support payment
Speaker 1: modification request to the court, things start unraveling. For Peggy.
Speaker 11: We were just constantly, constantly getting the run around. It
Speaker 11: was always he doesn't have the money, but yet I
Speaker 11: can't really show it. And then the last minute, these financials,
Speaker 11: if there was any type of a balance sheet or
Speaker 11: anything put together. It was just completely half assed. It
Speaker 11: was a joke. I mean, this is accounting one oh one.
Speaker 11: So she obviously was hiding something, but.
Speaker 1: Exactly what that was would take a while to figure out.
Speaker 1: What that attorney did know was. When Dennis hired Peggy
Speaker 1: to run his finances in two thousand and nine, he
Speaker 1: was one hundred thousand dollars in debt. Peggy was supposed
Speaker 1: to pay that debt down and invest the rest of
Speaker 1: his money instead, by twenty twelve, Dennis Rodman is eight
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in debt and none of his bills
Speaker 1: are getting paid. And yet Dennis still refuses to believe
Speaker 1: Peggy is doing anything wrong, leaving his attorney no choice
Speaker 1: but to drag it out in public.
Speaker 11: I remember one day sitting in court in Orange County
Speaker 11: and questioning Dennis and trying to explain, you know, trying
Speaker 11: to prove his modification.
Speaker 1: So picture it. Dennis Rodman is on the stand in
Speaker 1: family court being asked about all his expenses, all the
Speaker 1: charges that are showing up on his credit card statements
Speaker 1: which are now being shown to the entire courtroom on
Speaker 1: an overhead projector. Suddenly Dennis notices several charges on his
Speaker 1: credit card for thousands of dollars at Victorious Secret, and
Speaker 1: it stuns him.
Speaker 11: He just sat back and he says, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 11: like it was an out of body experience.
Speaker 1: He wasn't even.
Speaker 11: Really worrying about the fact that he's in the middle
Speaker 11: of his own trial. He says, I was never I've
Speaker 11: never been there, Like, that's not me.
Speaker 1: Finally, these random Victorious Secret charges seem to snap Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodman out of the Peggy induced hayes he's been in
Speaker 1: for years.
Speaker 6: And he's literally in a courtroom on record, and the
Speaker 6: lawyer is like kind of pulling a fast one, just like,
Speaker 6: let me just now that I have you sitting still
Speaker 6: here and not shotgunning a beer off of top models,
Speaker 6: you know, cleavage, Like here we go, sit right here,
Speaker 6: read these And it took that for him to go,
Speaker 6: ohh wait a second, Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: His girlfriend at the time is there when it all
Speaker 1: goes down.
Speaker 7: I remember him coming back and he was just so upset,
Speaker 7: you know, just so distraught. And in fact, he had
Speaker 7: called me at one point and said, hey, did you
Speaker 7: take my credit card? Did you spend two thousand dollars
Speaker 7: at Victoria's Secret, and I said, Dennis, wouldn't you know
Speaker 7: if I spent two thousand dollars at Victoria's Secret, wouldn't
Speaker 7: you see it?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 7: So he was like kind of just caught off guard.
Speaker 7: And I think that's when he started realizing, wait a minute,
Speaker 7: I know I didn't do it. She didn't do it,
Speaker 7: And so that's when he really started going, Okay, what's
Speaker 7: going on here.
Speaker 1: It's not long after that California court appearance, Dennis is
Speaker 1: back in Miami and he's becoming increasingly frustrated with a
Speaker 1: lack of money in his life. He's working all the time,
Speaker 1: and yet he feels like he has nothing to show
Speaker 1: for it. So Dennis Rodman finally decides to take matters
Speaker 1: into his own hands. He grabs Gigi and drives to
Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale at the crack of dawn.
Speaker 7: He and I in the early morning went to Peggy's
Speaker 7: house because he had no money, he didn't have a dollar,
Speaker 7: and he was ringing the doorbell, ringing the doorbell, and
Speaker 7: she didn't come down, she wasn't answering her phone. And
Speaker 7: then after a while she finally came to the window
Speaker 7: and she yelled out the window. She was just waking
Speaker 7: up and she had a robe on. She's like, honey, honey,
Speaker 7: I'm sleeping. You have to come back later. He was like, Hey,
Speaker 7: I have no money, what's up with that? And she
Speaker 7: was just like, Dennis, Dennis Darling, don't worry, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: fix it.
Speaker 8: Let me get up and I'll get stuff together for you.
Speaker 8: And he was irate.
Speaker 1: And in a weird twist, Peggy's brother, Elkin, was Dennis
Speaker 1: Rodman's road manager at the time and de facto best friend.
Speaker 1: Remember Elkin's the one Dennis thanks along with Peggy during
Speaker 1: his Basketball Hall of Fame speed Peggy King, Elkin King
Speaker 1: the family that these guys are taking care of me
Speaker 1: these days. Thank you, Peggy. Steve Simon Elkin works alongside
Speaker 1: his sister Peggy at King Management. At least that was
Speaker 1: the story Dennis's people were told.
Speaker 4: It was quite some time after Peggy was in the
Speaker 4: picture that Elkin was coming to town, like I had
Speaker 4: no idea who he was, And she said it was
Speaker 4: her brother was coming to town to help her with
Speaker 4: her business. And there were significant warning signs of what
Speaker 4: was to come next. Something just did not add up
Speaker 4: with Elkin's relationship with Peggy.
Speaker 1: But in no time, Elkin becomes Dennis's road manager and
Speaker 1: the two are inseparable trapesing all over the world together,
Speaker 1: doing public appearances in Russia, in North Korea, in all
Speaker 1: kinds of profitable places.
Speaker 9: My responsibilities were to like completely run Dennis. I lived
Speaker 9: in the same apartment building. I did all of the
Speaker 9: all of the security, all just basically one on one
Speaker 9: with Dennis. It's like this shit happened so fast.
Speaker 10: In my eyes.
Speaker 9: What people don't really understand is like I had a
Speaker 9: lifestyle that was roughly about fifty thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 9: Dennis and I that's what we spend. We live like
Speaker 9: king five hundred dollars breakfasts. I'm with this guy for years,
Speaker 9: and that's what Dennis spent fifty thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 1: Dennis's girlfriend at the time, Gigi, never liked Elkin at all.
Speaker 1: She had a bad feeling about.
Speaker 7: Him, and I would tell Dennis like, I don't want
Speaker 7: Elkin hanging around you.
Speaker 8: I don't want him to go on trips with you.
Speaker 8: He's not the person that should be going on trips
Speaker 8: with you.
Speaker 7: I felt like Elkin was definitely writing his coattails. He
Speaker 7: wanted to be in his realm. He wanted to be
Speaker 7: able to brag about Dennis. I felt like they were
Speaker 7: using Dennis in every aspect.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to Dennis at the time, his road manager and
Speaker 1: yes friend Elkin, was trying to help Dennis get a
Speaker 1: handle on his money problems. Behind his back.
Speaker 7: Elkin would be like, Gigi, you know that, Like, we
Speaker 7: gotta control Dennis because he's out of control, and that
Speaker 7: means we got to control his money. We got to
Speaker 7: watch what he's doing. He can't know what's in his account.
Speaker 7: And part of me was thinking, Okay, I'm in agreement
Speaker 7: with that, because he was drinking, and I know that
Speaker 7: if we would go out, let's say he had money
Speaker 7: in his pocket, he'd want to go to the strip
Speaker 7: club and turn those into ones and throw them in
Speaker 7: the air. I understood that, so I'm in agreement with that.
Speaker 1: But shortly after, Dennis confronts Peggy outside her Fort Lauderdale
Speaker 1: mansion in the wee hours that fateful morning.
Speaker 8: He was like, Hey, I have no money, what's up
Speaker 8: with that?
Speaker 1: In a fit of rage, Dennis goes over to Elkin's place,
Speaker 1: grabs him and the three of them, Dennis, Elkin, and
Speaker 1: Gig jump in a car and start driving.
Speaker 7: So he got Elkin and said, we're going to the bank.
Speaker 7: And we went to the bank and Elkin's like, Dennis,
Speaker 7: you don't have any money, Okay.
Speaker 8: You have to just leave it alone. We'll fix it.
Speaker 7: So he gets out of the car and Elkin goes
Speaker 7: he cannot talk to those bankers. We've already told the
Speaker 7: bankers that they cannot talk to him about his finances.
Speaker 1: Needless to say, Dennis didn't get any money out of
Speaker 1: the bank that day. While the bank account was actually
Speaker 1: in his name, he was not listed as a signatory,
Speaker 1: meaning he wasn't legally allowed to withdraw money from that account.
Speaker 1: That's how Peggy had set things up. And not long
Speaker 1: after that fiasco, Dennis Rodman's attorney sends a letter to
Speaker 1: Peggy firing her, accusing her of fraud, writing, although you
Speaker 1: claim to have a graduate degree from Harvard, it's more
Speaker 1: like your resume could be a study in fictional writing
Speaker 1: at Harvard. That letter gets leaked to the press and
Speaker 1: TMZ picks it up and publishes a story about it
Speaker 1: headlined Dennis Rodman brutally fires business manager quote She's a
Speaker 1: total fraud. And you won't believe what Peggy says after
Speaker 1: the break Welcome Back to Queen of the Cohn So.
Speaker 1: TMZ runs a piece calling Peggy a total fraud.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the TMZ article, it was like a bomber gone off.
Speaker 4: It was the first public announcement that Peggy was stealing.
Speaker 1: And Peggy responds publicly accusing Dennis of lying. Dennis Rodman
Speaker 1: is out more than a million dollars at this point,
Speaker 1: and according to his manager at the time, Peggy's theft
Speaker 1: was insanely egregious.
Speaker 4: Dennis's agency within Dennis a wire of ninety thousand dollars
Speaker 4: at like, say, ten thirty in the morning. By three
Speaker 4: o'clock the same day, all ninety thousand had swept out
Speaker 4: of his account, and it shows up in Peggy's account.
Speaker 5: I mean all of it.
Speaker 4: She wouldn't even leave him a couple hundred dollars for
Speaker 4: a loaf of bread.
Speaker 5: I mean she took all of it.
Speaker 1: But the hardest blow and the biggest betrayal comes when
Speaker 1: Dennis finds out that Elkin, his road manager and best friend,
Speaker 1: who he thought was Peggy's brother, is actually her son.
Speaker 1: Dennis's manager at the time remembers Dennis's pain and anguish
Speaker 1: when that brother's son revelation came to light.
Speaker 4: I think it was devastating for Dennis emotionally.
Speaker 5: I think it was devastating.
Speaker 4: He had so much faith and trust in Peggy and
Speaker 4: Elkin and they so betrayed his trust.
Speaker 5: I just think he was really hurt by this.
Speaker 3: I believe that Elkin was her brother at the time.
Speaker 1: Remember Sean tell Cohen. She worked as Peggy's assistant for
Speaker 1: a time, and early on she witnesses a major, major
Speaker 1: crack in that whole brother sister story that Peggy and
Speaker 1: Elkin are telling.
Speaker 3: We happened to go out and go party one day
Speaker 3: and Elkie and I stayed up later than everybody else,
Speaker 3: and we were just talking very drunk drunk, and he
Speaker 3: said something something my mom and I kind of like
Speaker 3: perked up and I was like, wait, wait, wait what
Speaker 3: And he's like, we don't talk our family business. You
Speaker 3: didn't hear that, I said, oh mg, because when I
Speaker 3: babysat her kids at a young age, she said that
Speaker 3: they were her ex husband's kids with another person, and
Speaker 3: she just stepped in as a mother. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: I never had kids. Look at this body I have.
Speaker 1: You know that she said she never had never had kids.
Speaker 3: It was crazy, Like, I don't even know how I
Speaker 3: would feel as a kid, and my mom doesn't want
Speaker 3: to claim me like that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a mind fuck.
Speaker 3: It's definitely a mind fuck.
Speaker 1: It is like, Yeah, that's the most important relationship you
Speaker 1: have as a as a person, your mother and father. Yes,
Speaker 1: your mother's telling you tell everyone you or my brother, yes,
Speaker 1: and you go along with it. Yes, God, that messes
Speaker 1: you up. It has to. And shockingly, it's not the
Speaker 1: first time in Elkin's life where he's pretending to be
Speaker 1: someone other than who he is at his mother, Peggy's insistence.
Speaker 1: Around the man who would become Peggy's fourth husband, Peggy
Speaker 1: has her own son, Elkin pretend to be her nephew
Speaker 1: and implores Elkin to refer to her as Aunt Peggy
Speaker 1: because she's convinced her fourth husband that she doesn't have
Speaker 1: any kids. As you can imagine, that charade doesn't end well.
Speaker 9: They started having problems when he found out that I
Speaker 9: was actually her son. I lent a slip one day
Speaker 9: and we were talking about something I wanted them to
Speaker 9: bring me somewhere. I was like, my Mom's gonna bring
Speaker 9: me Like it was just a slip of the tongue,
Speaker 9: you know. I just wasn't thinking and I came back
Speaker 9: and it was a whole issue. I think that was
Speaker 9: the hardest pill to swallow. I really do. We would
Speaker 9: fight and I would get upset sometimes and it got
Speaker 9: me drinking a lot. It's like, am I not good
Speaker 9: enough to be your son?
Speaker 1: So, while masquerading as other people at his mom's request
Speaker 1: clearly bothered Elkin, he still knowingly and intentionally pretended to
Speaker 1: be Peggy's brother for years. But when Dennis Rodman and
Speaker 1: his girlfriend at the time, Gigi, find out that Elkin
Speaker 1: is actually Peggy's son, Elkin acts as if he's shocked
Speaker 1: by it too.
Speaker 7: But then Elkin, when he was confronted one night when
Speaker 7: I was there, he went into, you mean, Peggy my
Speaker 7: sister is my mother? Elkin was very angry, very disturbed,
Speaker 7: like he had just found out that Peggy was not
Speaker 7: a sister like he had thought all these years, and
Speaker 7: found out that she was his mother.
Speaker 1: Which completely contradicts what Elkin has said publicly that he
Speaker 1: knowingly went along pretending to be his mother's brother.
Speaker 6: So he's in on it, right.
Speaker 1: My buddy Evan Goldstein again, Well, I mean it does
Speaker 1: beg the question if he will go that far and
Speaker 1: pretend to be her brother for years, more than a
Speaker 1: decade by some accounts, what else is he going along with?
Speaker 1: If you're a Dennis Rodman and one day you find
Speaker 1: out that your best friend, this guy who's been your
Speaker 1: road manager, traveling with you to all these places, this
Speaker 1: guy you can fight it in, who you believe to
Speaker 1: be Peggy's brother, and you find out no, they lied,
Speaker 1: he's her son. Like, how do you feel?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's.
Speaker 1: Almost worse than the money. To me, it's like our
Speaker 1: whole relationship is a lie.
Speaker 6: It's the ultimate betrayal because you know, it's not that
Speaker 6: she just said it. He was going along with it.
Speaker 6: You know, Dennis Rodman confided in this guy. You know,
Speaker 6: he shared things. They're partying, they're doing things, you know,
Speaker 6: you know, oh, he told him dark secrets. When a
Speaker 6: relationship starts with a lie, yeah, and not only that
Speaker 6: that is perpetuated, that is continued on.
Speaker 1: It turns into a million, but it just gets worse
Speaker 1: and worse and worse and worse. And when Dennis Rodman
Speaker 1: confronts Elkin about everything about the missing money, about Elkin
Speaker 1: being Peggy's son and not her brother.
Speaker 9: We got into a huge fight. The fight was concerning
Speaker 9: me and my mother or me and Peggy. We're stealing
Speaker 9: all of his money. He called my mother a whore,
Speaker 9: so I punched him. I have precuted him. I ain't
Speaker 9: seen him since.
Speaker 1: Elkin has insisted time and time again that his mom, Peggy,
Speaker 1: is not the scammers he's accused of being.
Speaker 9: Everybody can make a mistake. If I was to invest
Speaker 9: your money, unless say Apple went to shits tomorrow. It
Speaker 9: looks good now does But we lost all our money,
Speaker 9: didn't we? Am I responsible for that? I think she
Speaker 9: just put their money in places that weren't good, and
Speaker 9: I don't necessarily think it all went in her pocket.
Speaker 4: I think that Elkin is in damage control, and I
Speaker 4: don't blame him because this is going to be devastating
Speaker 4: for his family, for everybody. I can't speak for what
Speaker 4: he did know or didn't know. It just doesn't add up,
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Elkin has stated publicly that other than pretending to be
Speaker 1: Peggy's brother, he did nothing wrong. He didn't steal any
Speaker 1: of Dennis Rodman's money, nor did he help his mother
Speaker 1: defraud Dennis Rodman in any way.
Speaker 3: How could I believe anything you say when you lied
Speaker 3: about this being your.
Speaker 1: Mom Peggy's former assistant again, Chantelle Cohen, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: valid I mean, come on, And that's.
Speaker 3: Not a little long No, that's a huge lie, whole
Speaker 3: existence because he wants everyone to know that he didn't
Speaker 3: have anything to do with it, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, I want to believe you, because
Speaker 3: I actually like you guys, you know, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to believe it. But it's like, you lied about this.
Speaker 3: What else are you lying about. There's no way that
Speaker 3: you went throughout this whole time not seeing something. Even
Speaker 3: if you feel like you didn't do anything with your mom,
Speaker 3: you've seen things. Come on, come on, you're grown.
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman's former manager isn't buying Elkin's explanation either.
Speaker 4: Elkin was part of the company that was defraud and clients,
Speaker 4: so that's his burden to carry. I still can't understand
Speaker 4: why he would allow his mother to say that he's
Speaker 4: her brother and just allow that to go on.
Speaker 5: That to me, it makes everything else. Tanket it to me.
Speaker 5: If you're not part of the fraud, why are you
Speaker 5: participating in it?
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman was the pinnacle for Peggy in her con
Speaker 1: game of chess. He was the king, he was the checkmate,
Speaker 1: and she got to the king by quietly taking out
Speaker 1: a lot of pawns, other professional athletes who never told
Speaker 1: a living soul that Peggy scammed them.
Speaker 3: You know, it's an embarrassing situation, and no one wants
Speaker 3: to come out and say anybody, I wasn't watching my
Speaker 3: money and this is what happened. But I feel like
Speaker 3: in love, love love Travis.
Speaker 1: Travis was Peggy's first pro athlete and her first victim.
Speaker 3: If he would have said something, then it wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been such a domino effect.
Speaker 1: Oh, I said the same thing a million percent, because
Speaker 1: victims are ashamed, and what they don't realize is they're
Speaker 1: enabling the con artists to do it again, and do
Speaker 1: it again, and do it again, like until someone stands
Speaker 1: up and goes public, which is hard to do. Yes,
Speaker 1: she gets away again and again and again. It turns
Speaker 1: out the one point two million dollars Peggy tricks out
Speaker 1: of Dennis Rodman is just a hop in the bucket
Speaker 1: compared to the millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 3: So many millions.
Speaker 1: Peggy scams from a bunch of other professional athletes in
Speaker 1: the plane light of day, and how she manipulates one
Speaker 1: athlete to get the other on board, to get the
Speaker 1: other on board and so on is just a master
Speaker 1: class in confidence trickery. Never occurred to you. She's doing
Speaker 1: this to twenty other.
Speaker 10: Oh no, wow, hell no, hell no. And that's why
Speaker 10: it was so like once I heard that she was
Speaker 10: doing it to other people, and I'm like Dennis Robin,
Speaker 10: we hung out with his homeboy, and she used to
Speaker 10: brag about these people, and it's like, oh, you was
Speaker 10: robbing them too.
Speaker 1: Next time.
Speaker 10: On Queen of the Khan, it is what it is,
Speaker 10: and it's not nothing you could take back.
Speaker 1: One of Peggy's pro athlete victims reveals a different side
Speaker 1: of Peggy entirely.
Speaker 10: She was a cougar. Yeah, cougar?
Speaker 1: Was she flirting with you?
Speaker 10: You with somebody that would probably have sex with one
Speaker 10: our clients.
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