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On 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.560 this edition of Rush Limbaugh, The Man behind the Golden E. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.680 I B. Mike, we have a treat today, and without 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:21.000 further introduction, Mary Mattlin and husband James Carvel, welcome both 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.800 of you to this podcast series. So we don't do 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:27.320 this together, I have to start by asking Mary and 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.600 James separately, when did you meet Rush? Mary gonna go first, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.560 I thank you. I know you met him before I did. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.720 Go ahead, I met him. We visited him and had 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.200 used to have an apartment like right on Fifth Avenue 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.600 in New York. And the first time I met him 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.760 was at his condo apartment whatever you call it was 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.840 Upper east Side, his Upper east Side digs and Mary, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.080 you was that the time, honey? We went with Russert 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.840 and his wife with Tim, remember that we had dinner 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.720 at that but that was no that was at Central 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.600 when he lived in Central Park. We went and at 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:09.760 dinner with Russers. But Russian James ironically hit it off 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.440 and I knew Brush before he was rushed. We kind 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.360 of I think my dad turned me onto him in 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.359 the eighties, late eighties, and then we've been constant companions 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.679 since then, as James will tell you, since I never 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.240 turned him off. I miss seeing both of you. Remember 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.040 those Tim Russer Christmas shows, and we sure do missing 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.840 those of us who I mean, we love seeing your 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.880 family on Meet the Press with Tim Russer and I 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.720 gotta tell you Meet the Press. Of course, that was 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.120 back in the golden age of Meet the Press. James. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.120 Let me, James elaborate on Meet the Press, because I 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.440 think this is a turning point in a lot of things. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:48.200 When Tim Russer passed but interesting, sad, bitter sweet, but 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:53.720 tribute to Tim Russert in our relationship is, um James 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.440 tell him first of all, I think, James, you said 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.600 we were on there more than anybody else, Like, let's 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.160 elaborate at Tim. I don't know I was on I 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:02.280 was on that a lot. I don't know about more 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.120 than I think Bob Doe Will holds the whole time 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.880 record for me depress, but I could be the longest. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.680 Probably changed since then. Um, well and I were just 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.839 they were like best friends. I mean we've had our 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.679 baseball tickets together with you know, professional basketball or Wizards 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.360 tickets together. His son and I did a top sports 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:25.240 talk radio show for some time. And uh, you're right. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.640 When he died in June the first night we're in 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.320 New Orleans and and part of Washington journalism, I think 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.520 it died with Tim, but you know, it was just 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.360 it was one of those kind of similar events and uh, 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.600 you know it was to was to day. It's it's 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.120 difficult and it was, uh what twelve years ago, thirteen 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.479 years ago kind of order to believe it was the 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.120 first he died the first night that we were going 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.120 to spend in our house in New Orleans. So it 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.240 was it was almost to the date if you look 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.160 it up, maybe it was June eighth and ninth, the 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.320 day died, but before probably topa. I guess it would 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.200 be unfortunately, thirteenth year anniversary. Warm Alright. I don't want 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.320 to talk politics, because that is kind of not why 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.120 we're here. I do want to talk about Rush though. Now, James, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.200 you know Rush had a nickname for you, what washing? 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:21.400 Somebody's Chelby? But what remind me again? It was serpent head. Yeah, 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:32.160 very calm any any nickname is good. Where that came from? Where? Um? 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:37.200 Jeb Bush? Well, it was a jabb or ales No, no, no, Jeb. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.599 It was Jeff Bush. Because I was so smitten with James, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.120 and I was on this rocket of a career trajectory 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:45.880 and I fell in love with him. And it was 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.200 in the middle of that campaign that I was running. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.920 He was running Clinton's, and so everybody was like, who 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.680 is this guy? Nobody knew, And when Jeff saw my 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:58.440 TV goes that's it. That's the guy. And Roddrill said 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.080 this verse, he looks like I issue swam too close 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.440 to a nuclear reactor. And Jeff goes he it's like 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:11.520 a serpent head. I love you head. Well that quickly 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.599 be yeah, that quickly became. That quickly became your nickname 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.680 on the Russi Limbo Show and James, as you may know, 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.960 I don't know whether you know this or not. Rush 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.720 We had a lot of bits. Yeah, people would tell 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.040 me about it not you know, and that you know. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.000 I never you know. It's part of being in a 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.480 public person. But you're right, married Right, every time I 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.279 get in her car that she had previously driven, it 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.600 would be on RUSH Radio. So I don't I think 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:47.440 I'd changed it right away to NPR. But but I 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:52.560 I think if I say something about Rush, if when 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:57.480 you've become famous, and I've noticed some right, people only 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.680 know you for what you're famous for, all right, So 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.599 if if you're a baseball player and you're famous, you 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.080 have a life outside of baseball, people are just not 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.000 that interested in it, are marginally interested in it, and 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.880 they want to talk to you about that. Well, obviously, 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.440 probably two people that Mary was closest to it was 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:22.200 Russian Vice President Cheney, and as a result of that, 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:27.160 I had to spend a fair amount of time and 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.040 but both of them word. They were multidimensional people. So 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.200 whoever I was gonna talk about politics, because I sure 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.440 they didn't agree to anything they said, and they would 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.960 say the same thing about me, but we could talk 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.040 about other things very easily. Was it wasn't a stilted 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:46.000 to force conversation that were They're both multidimensional people, so 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:51.040 you didn't have like uncomfortable small talk. And I think 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:57.000 that's something that's kind of important because, like I said, people, 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.640 when people come famous, they're only known for the thing 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.680 that they become famous for. But they have families, and 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.880 they have interests, and they have you know, children, or 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.720 they have any number of things that they deal with. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.840 And I always found it, you know, easy to in 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.360 a social situation, uh, with both of these men and 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.160 not feel uncomfortable or anything like that. What did Dreames 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:27.160 tell my James tell Russia's James? What are Rush gave 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.480 us for a wedding present? Because that was one of 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:34.280 his things he knew a lot about. I said, let's 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.360 just say it was, hey gave us a magnum of 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.679 Obreon whoa of which, Yeah, it's pretty nice. I mean 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.160 it was any knew whe I mean he did, you 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.440 know and I would, I could talk, you know, vintages 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.960 with him or anything like that. And I uh, I 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.520 think we're gonna open it Thanksgiving if they it's getting 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.439 a little long in the tooth yet, I don't want 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.719 to sell it because you know when somebody gives you 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.440 a gift like that and they don't give it to sell. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.600 And I still have it the Shanador Valley and it's 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.559 under control temperature, so I think that I think it 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:13.320 will drink just fine come November. The great cut post 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:18.040 COVID Thanksgiving, right, yeah, I'll tell you post COVID, I 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.600 just I'll spent a week in Las Vegas. You know 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.600 that was his re entry, James Golding, wonderful. Well, I'm 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:29.680 glad you. I am glad that you are post COVID. Now, 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.360 can I just get your reaction to this? Okay, So 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.640 those of us old enough to remember what the campaign 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:42.640 was like between Bush UH forty one and Bill Clinton, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.800 remember it was a pretty heated campaign there. And then 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:52.079 comes this surprise, and you two took everybody by surprise 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.000 when news I don't know, was it leaked out or 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.640 did you announce it that you two were indeed in 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.040 love with each other and you were having a relationship. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.760 How did what was the reaction at that time that 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.080 both of you encountered what we had a relationship prior 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.960 to the campaign. In fact, when I was doing the 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:18.280 Harris Wofford Race and the fall of but very well, 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.280 I've to go to the Durious three station in Philadelphia, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.959 gorgeous building, you know, the angel holding the fallen soldier, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:32.600 and uh, it was among people in Washington insiders, it 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.280 was pretty well. It was not the secret. I mean 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.439 we'd go to dinner together and do all kinds of things. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.920 And and then once the campaign started, I think that 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.640 the public became sort of more aware of it. And 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.959 it's kind of funny for all of that and that campaign, Uh, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.600 President H. W. Bush and President Clinton became really close. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.520 I mean it was almost like an uncle to President Clinton. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.480 And I'd go to the library, you know, and done 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.800 Evensford very you know, a couple three times, and you know, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.720 always gracious and everything. And you know, it was a 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.480 different era in politics. And we'll just leave it at that. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.520 Do you wish that that some of that Eric could 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.240 come back? I wish I was you know, forty eight. Again, 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.240 you know, nothing stays the same That's what people got 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.679 to realize. It is you're in a place now, but 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.160 you know, the place we were in is a different 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.240 place than we were in in two thousand and six, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.199 which is a different place, and we're gonna be in 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.000 in two thousand and twenty six. I mean, I I 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.840 don't know exactly how it is this ends, but it's 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.680 the one thing I know. It'll morph into something else, 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:46.040 whether whether it moss into something better or worse. Uh, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.960 promisic kind of got something better. But but it's what 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.360 it is right now. The Democrat part never James Carvill, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.600 James Carvil, the Democrat Party that's never been, that's never been. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:02.320 This polace in life boat. That was after Trump was elected. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.520 James Kerver was on yesterday, Biden's gonna be Biden. He's 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.640 gaff pro but he got a hard to go, hard 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.360 to go all out there. You can't say another man 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.439 about on. Joe, Joe are the greatest guys in the 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.280 Democratic body. Leader that we need is exactly kind of leader. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.480 He's a kind of the leader of the world. Day 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.800 Joe back. Over the course of this series, we've been 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.440 taking you on the biographical journey of Russia's life narrated 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.520 by his friends, family, and colleagues. Today we welcome Premier 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:35.040 Networks and nationally syndicated host George Norri. There's so many 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:39.120 commonalities between Russell and Bat and George Norri, both experienced 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:44.199 broadcasters from the Midwest and both from Missouri. Both broadcasters 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.840 host radio programs that are heard on over six hundred 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.760 radio stations daily, many of the affiliate stations bearing the 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.319 same call letters. George Norri is best known as host 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.680 of the Coast to Coast AM radio program All About 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:05.600 the Unexplainable now the incomparable George nor The Life of 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:11.720 Russia Limbaugh Chapter nine, narrated by George nor The nineties 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.040 drew new lines in the political battlefield, ultimately leading to 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.480 a hotly contested two thousand presidential election. But by the 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.040 time George W. Bush was inaugurated and the dust began 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.480 to settle, the era of compassionate Conservatism seemed poised for 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.040 smooth Saley. The Clinton presidency was in the rear view mirror. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.320 The House had a Republican majority, and because Conservatives were 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.679 riding high, Russia's critics predicted, without anyone to complain about, 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.800 his show would soon be on the decline, and then 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:46.640 on a clear Tuesday morning, everything changed and debris is 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.840 just falling off the building. I mean it's underwardly looking 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.360 at the trade towers exactly when it happened. We need 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.960 to unite, We need to understand together. September eleven, two 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:02.120 thousand one profoundly impacted America, the presidency and Russia limbus. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:08.120 All different sets of emotions start taking over. Then in 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.880 the course of the next few weeks, learned that I 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.839 knew people who lost people, family members and friends of 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.280 the World Trade Center. They are still not the same. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.600 The tone of politics changed on a dime, and Russia's 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.520 audience grew dramatically as Americans turned to a familiar, soothing 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.880 voice to calm the chaos, pick up the pieces, and 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.840 move America forward. The Bush White House also recognized the 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.040 breach of his program, as both President Bush and Vice 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.440 President Dick Cheney became regular contributors. Welcome back to the 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.440 program the Vice President, Dick Cheney, Mr Vice President, thank 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.440 you as always, it's a it's an honor and a 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.520 delight to have you here with us. Great talk to 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.080 you again. After two successful terms and despite expertly guiding 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:57.440 America through an unprecedented crisis early in his administration. President 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.800 Bush left Washington with the waning popular the and a 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.560 miss harsh criticism. In the years that followed. Rush tried 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.960 to set the record straight. Bush was a solid leader 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.520 dealing with nine eleven of me. How in the world 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.760 you go from that perception to go to being approval, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:18.360 hated and reviled. You do that by letting the media destraw. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.040 You're not fighting back and not getting political because you 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.240 don't want to sully the office or whatever. To the end, 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.400 Russell Limbaugh had profound respect for his friend, President George W. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.680 Bush and his stewardship of the American President's Bush has 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.400 been rehabilitated. In the eyes of the drive by media, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.680 Bush is gracious. Now. What's missing in this transformation, of course, 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.880 Bush the evil, to Bush the gracious is the acknowledgment 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.680 that he has always comported himself this way. Despite the 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.920 relentless attacks these past eight years, George W. Bush has 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.760 been a class act. He considered Bush a strong leader 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.080 who was unfairly defined by his opponents, and for his part, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.800 George W. Bush had a mutual respect for Rush, and 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.480 a statement after his death, Bush praised Russia's belief in 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.720 God in country as an indomitable spirit with a big 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:07.000 heart like his father before him. Perhaps the same could 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:12.240 be said about number forty three. Hey, James Golden, here, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.000 you know what it's time that you treat yourself to 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.760 a little bit of luxury. You know the company, It's 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.040 my Pillow. But what you may not know is that 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.600 my Pillow makes more than just the incredible pillows that 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:30.120 have captivated America. They make sheets, and these aren't just 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.680 any sheets. 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Let me just say this to you, and 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.840 I'll get your reaction to it. I don't know whether 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.800 you two realizes it or not, but for a lot 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:34.320 of people um that that are really political people, I 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.960 believe that you two are an inspiration because in a 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.920 way you symbolize something. You symbolize that two people who 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:47.960 are on opposite ends of the political spectrum can still 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.520 have a very loving relationship with each other. You guys 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.520 have been married for a while, you have kids now 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.639 that have grown, and I can still hear the love 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.840 between both of you, and this is his apparent always 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.960 been a real thing with you since you've guys decided 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.600 you were in love with each other. And so do 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.680 you share the belief that this is somehow that this 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.040 is in a way you two are larger than yourselves. Well, 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.800 all right, and don't you have a long conversation with Mary. 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.840 I just I'll go back to the original thing is 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.800 if you're famously you're known for something, of course this 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.679 is the way that we're in the living. There was 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.800 a guy, I think Walter Shapiro, wrote a review of 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:33.879 our book, and his point was, it's not surprising that 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.919 something like this happened in Washington, but would really be 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.400 surprising if Mary married a tree surgeon in Idaho. I mean, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.520 if you put thought that would have been you know, 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:50.800 if you put when you put you know, boys and 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.399 girls in the same kind of profession, you know, and 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.920 that there are other examples of of people like us. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.480 I mean, I guess, you know, passed the baton to Kelly, 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.040 Anne and George with which I'm happy to do. But 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.200 like Anna been At and John Buckley, they were good 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.280 friends of ours. They were you know, definitely John Buckley 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.600 was one of the famous Buckley's of Connecticut. And Anna 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.960 ben it's a fort worth uh. And she's a very 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:22.240 accomplished poster. I worked, I thought in New Jersey some 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.080 So I mean that they're instances of it, because it's 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.760 just the way that nature is. When you start mixing 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:34.000 compounds someone we're gonna stick m and uh. And I 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:38.720 think that what's helped us as we maintain interest in 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:42.600 things outside of politics, I think that's it. I think 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.359 that's you know, we both have a describe as a 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.080 healthy interest in politics, and I don't deny that, but 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.919 we have, you know, all kinds of stuff, but we 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:56.439 also enjoy we enjoy so many other things, football, family, food, 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:02.560 friends history. Okay, now let's take the politics if we 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.600 can aside out of the question. All right, what do 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.800 you think Russian blaws legacy is going to be, James, Well, 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:13.920 I mean it saved an entire medium of communications. I 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:18.439 mean they saved a m radio. And the way that 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:23.080 you know a person's legacy is how many knockoffs did 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.680 he create? You know, let Mary go through the list 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:31.320 of names of people you know. And I want to 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:35.160 only limit my remarks to positive remarks, and would note 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.800 that not the appropriate time to make. But but but 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:45.240 but well, in a nation that is really divided into 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.920 people that think difficions is a problem, kind of harder 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.600 to say, what a divisive guy. But having said that, 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.399 what I'd like to focus on because you know, he 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:59.720 created a lot of knockoffs and none of them ever 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:04.800 became him. And that's that's when you you know you've 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:09.720 done something when you've got successful people imitating you. And 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.160 I know in my own life, I mean have any 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.399 talk radio, but I always take such pride and people 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.040 in the campaigns that worked for me to have gone 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:23.560 on to do a lot of great things. Uh, So 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.360 that that that's what you gotta feel good. No, I mean, 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.879 I'm sure that that rush. You know, I don't have 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.160 any doubt that he believed in the things that he said, 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.520 and I'm sure he had to take a certain amount 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:40.600 of pride that so many people imitated him, and that 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:45.400 I think is is I don't think anybody has had 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:50.160 that kind of you know, influence and the right wing 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.240 media at all. And I mean I was listening to 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:58.480 him and I was working in Kentucky, and I mean 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.800 it's like that's that that uh, you know, to do. 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.080 I'm sorry, but I couldn't do three hours of programming 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.600 five days a week for anything in the world, and 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.919 you know he was doing. I mean, he was not 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.480 an overly modest man, but be honest, in terms of 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.199 his professional career, he didn't have a lot to be 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:24.800 modest about. You know, I'll say I I you know, 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.760 and I love coming on here, but Marry, I don't 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.440 know how much she loved r I should love you. 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:33.320 And oh, I was glad that you all asked me 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:35.760 to participate for a few minutes in this. I'm happy 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.240 that you did, and I'm so happy that you did. James, 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.600 thank you so much. We do appreciate your time. You honey, 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:48.360 love you by now married the attention. I mean, actually 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:53.080 we can't talk together. This is how we why we 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.800 were halfway decent on Tim because he we just talk 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.200 over each other. But can I just pick up on 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.960 one point that that James made that's so important and 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.840 its it's tied a little bow around everything you've been 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:10.600 saying about this period, and there's things that people didn't 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:14.680 know about Rush. I mean, of course he was more talented. 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:19.240 He was talent on loan from God, and you too, James. 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.159 The other James were saying confusing and James, but he 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.680 picking up on that point that James made. In real life, 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:31.840 Rush was an overly modest, humble he had he knew 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.960 what the data was. But I think to the very 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:40.480 end he was moved, struck, shocked, awed by his own reach. 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:45.480 He also was a gentleman. He was courteous, he was gentle, 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:47.920 He was patient. He taught me how to use it 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.760 iPhone when in the flip phone days. He knew something 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.960 about He was a Polly math or self taught Polly 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.960 Matthew knew wine and no architecture, new aviation, economic spycraft. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:04.400 The guy was a real renaissance man and that's why 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:08.520 that that's how I think of Rush and the other 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.560 thing that James used to st James listened to him 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.880 a lot when we were in the car together. He 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:19.399 does he could do more better than anybody I've ever seen, 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.840 including James. But this is one of James's talents make 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:28.760 the complex understandable. But it's just there's just now you 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.480 know everybody, I don't. I don't want to make comparisons, 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:33.800 but I don't know anybody else that had as deep 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:42.120 a philosophical and and literal understanding of so many topics. 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.880 And he had first principles, and he was steeped in history. 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:48.680 And you know what else he knew that I don't 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:51.679 know anybody else that knows is is he turned me 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:57.800 onto this is what real liberalism, real legacy socialism is like. 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.800 He understood liberals, if you really, and he inspired me 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.800 to do this. Read a lot about the Russian Revolution 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:07.760 and even proceeding that marks and you know, the Enlightenment 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.639 and all that. He knew the whole thread of history 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.080 that led to liberalism, and he understood how it became 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:17.680 a racket and how it beat, how it transited the globe. 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.120 And that's why he was always a step ahead of 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.120 He always knew what the Democrats were gonna do before 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:26.879 we even knew what was going on. One of the 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:28.960 problems I had with Rush early on was I was 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.800 kind of a hippie dippy, you know, environmentalist in my 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.120 old days, and he when it started to turn into 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:40.200 a racket, and he connected it to environmental wackos, which 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.880 I kind of understood, but I couldn't understand the motivation. 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.240 That was the other thing that he could suss out 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:49.160 and explain the motive. And he never attributed ill motives. 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:53.320 He attributed the reality he was. He was the mayor 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.760 of Realville, so he knew what they were gonna do, 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:59.440 and he would say these things that people go, oh, rush, oh, Rush. 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:05.639 And he was always literally literally sometimes decades, always years 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:10.440 ahead of where the culture and the zeitgeist was. He's 0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:15.800 he's literally an all time twentieth century genius. I said. 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.960 I used to tell him it was uncanny. He would 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.120 make predictions about the way something would roll out, and 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:24.560 sometimes I would be one of those voices. I'll come 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:29.160 on Rush seriously, and within a few months or a year, 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:34.639 sometimes maybe longer, whatever he predicted would start to happen. 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:36.800 But you know the beauty the gift you gave him, 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:40.080 and you would challenge him, and you would poke holton him, 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.879 and you made his particularly as he was thinking. That 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.320 was another thing he did that I've never seen anybody 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.720 do with the aplom that he did it. He would 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:53.680 think out loud, and he would think in full paragraphs 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:57.280 and complete narratives. But you would push him at prod 0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.520 him and pick at him and understand what he understood 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.919 was in his head. And he thought everybody knew you 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:07.160 guys were a great team, James, a fabulous team. Thank you. Well. 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.280 I wanted to know and I always found him interesting 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:11.960 and I wanted to know how he arrived at these conclusions. 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.400 And you know, he gave me the freedom to disagree 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:19.600 with him publicly, which was just amazing and astounding. And 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.679 he could sometimes tell by a look because I'd look 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.840 at him a certain way, Why are you looking at 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.520 me like that? Do you not agree? And that was 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.320 if I didn't, Okay, I don't, and why and then 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.400 he would explain it. He was wonderful that way. That's 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:38.640 the that is the hallmark of a genius is somebody 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:42.800 who is always challenging their own perspectives, their own ideas, 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.480 and is trying to understand how other people think and 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.040 how they're perceiving what he is that the person here, 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:52.639 she is saying he always hadn't and he liked to 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.159 be disagreed with, didn't y'all just always tee up the 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:58.399 liberals first? That's right, that's right. He would demand that 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.760 if someone disagreed, put him up at the top. I 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.280 want to talk to them first. These people are not 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:07.879 interested in democracy. They're not interested in representative democracy or 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:12.560 a republic. We are in a battle for the overall 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.280 kind of countries is gonna be. We're not in a 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.080 battle over who is going to win every four years. 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.959 We're not in a battle over who's going to be president, 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:23.640 who's going to run the senator, who's going to run 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:28.400 the House. The battle we are in is virtually and 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:33.400 literally about will this remain the United States of America 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:40.040 as founded? That is what is being waged here now, 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.400 Mary you um uh. The people that have been with us, 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.400 the lifers, the people that were with us for the 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:49.680 full ride, remember full well that in our very first 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.520 compliment of guest host, we had a guest host rotation. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:59.880 Dr Walter Williams love him me too, Tony Snow, miss 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:04.200 m too, and Mary Mattlin. You're too kind, James, I 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.160 would know I'm not you were you were in our rotation. 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.360 You guest hosted the show many times. What was it 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:12.680 like when you sat down? We used to do the 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.400 show out of Washington, d C. A lot at the 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:20.400 ABC studios. UH their their headquarters in Washington, d C. 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:22.440 They allowed us to come in and use their studios 0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.120 and they were always, by the way, very nice with us, 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.400 very gracious. Um and you used to come in in 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.200 those days, and I used to fly down. We used 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.720 to do the show from from those studios. What was 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:38.400 it like for you guest hosting the Russia Limbus show? Nobody, 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:42.160 and that is that you're You're only like a guest 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.840 in the orbit of Rush. But I think it was 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.760 pretty good when I forgot about those days in Washington, 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:50.360 because then I did have a daily radio show, which 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.400 when I cut my contracts, in no way I want 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.720 to be on any position except after Russia Limb but 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.240 I don't want to be on that. But I the two. 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:01.440 The thing that that I don't remember most is how 0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:03.520 bad I sucked when I came up to New York 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:06.720 and I was frazzled and frenzied, and I was sitting 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.360 in his actual chair behind the e I b my 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.360 and I just could not get my ship together. And 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:16.560 you were so kind and you just the only highlight 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:18.600 of when I did that, and I was so terrible. 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.080 It's like a week was my dad came on and 0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.440 devoted to my dad and the way Russia was devoted 0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.560 to his dad, and it just that's what I remember, 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.720 is your kindness and my dad coming on and that 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.800 I was so inept in the world of Russian limbo. 0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.840 And it really makes you understand the skill set that 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:40.200 he had in addition to being brainy, like radio is 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:44.840 the is the most pleasing medium if you're a chatter, 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:48.160 and it's what's the most difficult. And I do remember 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:53.240 always missing the heart out, always missing the clock, always 0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:57.280 talking over people. So he thank you for having me on. 0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.680 But I remember you kindly said, well you're in the rotation. 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.200 I said, well then you're gonna have a you're gonna 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:06.760 have a big loss of listeners. And now, folks, if 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:08.760 you didn't hear it, don't believe her. She was Mary 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.520 was great because I'll tell you one thing Mary always did, 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:17.640 which was come prepared, and Mary knew and knows subject 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.880 matter of politics like nobody else. I mean, this is 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:22.840 your this is I mean, I hear you saying that 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.000 you and James, you know, you don't talk about politics, 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.280 and maybe with the rest of the family you don't, 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:32.960 but you are a political person and you you understand politics. 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.640 You know it from the inside and the outside. All 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.800 of the stuff that's quote unquote in the weeds, you 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:43.479 understand that stuff, and you can talk about that stuff. 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:47.000 But you can also talk about big picture politics and 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.360 and all of that. And so that's what you brought 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.240 to the table. And I'm and that's what I know 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.280 you still bring to the table Mary, except I've banned 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:59.840 myself because I just this this environment is it's so 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.400 ugly and uncivil, and I don't want to be cliche 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:06.600 about it. But the speaking of the weeds, you mentioned 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:11.280 earlier that uh Russian I we were so on the 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:15.400 same wavelength and we went through so many campaigns together 0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:19.240 that if I if and he knew a lot about politics, 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.520 as you knew a lot about everything, but he wouldn't 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:25.080 have these like blind spots. So I would email him 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.000 and in real time. I don't know how you guys 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.720 did this. In real time, he'd sort three find out 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.560 of his thousand emails a minute, he'd find the one 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.360 and he it would be just I just sent him 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.840 in a headline in the in the title, or a 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:42.760 quick sentence, uh where he was offered another fact to 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.240 add or some poll date or something I had that 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:50.720 he didn't know, and he seamlessly incorporated into his subsequent remarks. 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.480 And it just was I felt like we had such 0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:58.480 a such a team thing going on. And then the 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:05.000 last year, I I I've never seen such courage and bravery. 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.360 I happened to have had health issues with contemporaneous lessly 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.760 with his and some of my friends were going too, 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.000 and my friends were going through the same thing. And 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.040 I don't know how he got up and went to 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:18.960 the studio as often as he did, and he put 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:24.000 off this team. I mean, if people don't, it's just 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:27.960 so unusual in this sort of I don't want to 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.600 say snow flaky, but this in the in this self 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:37.720 uh immediate gratification and uh un uncourageous and the easiest 0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:41.720 way out side guys that we find ourselves in rush 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:46.680 showed the courage of of George Washington. I mean, I can't, 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.600 I can't even I don't even know how he did that. 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.040 Bo you were there, I mean, it just it just 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.280 stunning to me. And he made a huge difference and 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.280 he it. I really felt like he was going to 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.920 bring it over the line, just like he did in 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:07.160 which was amazing. Ye explained the marked to people by 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:11.480 the way he the ninth the Republicans had been but 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.880 we had been friends for some time here at that point. 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.719 I literally like a month after I got married, I 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.160 flew out to California for a book party. I think 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.319 he quit doing book parties, but this might have been 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.560 one of the very first books. And his mother was 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.080 that Millie was there, his beloved Millie. I loved her 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.920 and he so all the time that I knew him. 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:38.480 Preceding this, Republicans were wandering around in the desert and 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.120 they had been in the minority for over half a century. 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:45.920 And he became an honorary member of the Congress because 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:50.279 he they couldn't get there, and there you can see 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.879 this problem today. Republicans have a hard time speaking with 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:58.720 one voice because they're speaking into immediacy. Rush went above 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:03.040 that and laid out the principles and how the policies 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.600 of this uh, the New Gingridge Revolution at that time 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:11.360 was really Russia's revolution, how it how the first principles, 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:16.200 how these policies were predicated on these first principles, and 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.279 everybody was shocked. We won that. No one saw this 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:23.879 coming except for Russia. The Republicans won the majority, they won, 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:29.360 We won the New York governors that Rudy Giuliani. It 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:33.480 was a complete sweep. And I I credit and many 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:36.400 do too. And anybody who knows anything about policies and 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:42.080 how messages delivered and penetrates would attribute to the victory 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.520 and the finest victory in the last century for Republicans 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:50.520 to rush Limbaugh's and I can't call it anything else 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:56.359 but a campaign. His other completely transformational act was um 0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:02.319 Operation Chaos. He watching fluence on politics way more than 0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.320 anybody who's in politics. I shouldn't say that. That's a 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:11.360 little hyperbole, but he had as much influence as everyday 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.040 operatives have on politics. But in the big picture and 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:18.640 the historical picture there he had more influence than anybody else, 0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:22.200 and that is fair to say. And towards the his 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.840 his let's say in the sixties when he and Katherine 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.520 started doing the history book. He had identified the problem 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.240 the way ahead of the curve, that we weren't learning 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:38.719 history right. So he's covered so many generations, uh with 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:42.960 with this unique talent of his, and it it just 0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.839 I'm I can't even keep a train of phone. When 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.200 I think of him. My whole brain just smiles, It 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.360 just lights up. I just this everything about him was 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:56.320 such a special thing. He also was in real life. 0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:01.200 This is a really main point about living happily in 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:05.600 all eras. That man had a sense of humor. Yes 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:12.640 he did. He was funny in the sophisticated way, and 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.080 he just was. He was always so much fun to 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.680 be around. I just I just miss him so much. 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.759 Dreams I miss him too. And some days I'm I mean, 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.920 all of us on were I think, you know, I 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:28.359 still have dreams I miss him. I was talking with 0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.160 Dawn the other day and Dawn was saying, you know, 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.160 she still expects to wake up and just one day 0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.440 all of us to be back in the studio together. 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:41.760 And it's just still really um, it's still mind numbing 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.360 that that that when did you find out he was sick? Well, 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.959 I guess I literally found out or when everybody else did. 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.960 But I knew, I just know. I mean, I just 0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.839 I just I don't. This sounds weird, but we were 0:37:56.719 --> 0:38:03.520 telepathically connected, and I knew something was freighting him before 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.320 didn't when he announced it. I just was not I 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:10.239 remember not being remotely surprised, just sad. And I thought 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.000 he was gonna beat it. I really thought he was 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:17.160 going to beat it. And I he I think he 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:19.120 I don't want to say, stepped up his game because 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.080 he never had a bad day even though he thought 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.880 he did. That's another thing. How many people, do you know, 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.879 do something as long as they he did that, who 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.200 come to work talk about being prepared, who come to 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:36.839 their job every day with the level of intensity and 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.200 depth that he did in those days. He come back 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:40.799 and said, look, yesterday, I don't think I did a 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.520 good job. I let me try. I he just who 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:48.759 keeps that that that self criticism and that self improvement 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.880 and that reaching for the stars uh as part of 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.960 their fundamental being? And he kept that on at a 0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:01.600 whole different level, like a transcendent i'd given level in 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.640 his last year, and I and I could feel when 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.680 he was having good days and bad days, and it 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.359 had so screwed up his time, not his time even 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.680 looking at the clock. You know this because I never 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:17.040 saw many clocks as he did in that last year. 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.040 He was so in his zone. And I'm sure he 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.040 was doing it on all kinds of drugs too, because 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.319 you can't just take him, mom, And I still don't 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.840 to this. I've never I've never seen that, and we 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.560 can expect to never see that again. He's he's actually 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.560 a medical miracle, you know. He um he That's what 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:37.040 I said, And I was in one of the earlier 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.600 podcast I mentioned how at the end of his show 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.719 sometimes he would be so exhausted he couldn't even stand up, 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:47.919 he could barely stand up. But he gave everything that 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:52.120 he could into each one of those shows. And and 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.080 this was something else, you know, going into thirty three 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:59.879 years of being a syndicated holes before, before he real 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.040 eyes he was sick, before he realized that something was wrong, 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:07.799 Rush was still and even of course afterwards, but he 0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:12.480 always gave it his best shot. He didn't mail it in, 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.160 he never mailed it. He was still excited about being 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.520 on the radio. This hadn't become just a dull routine. 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:23.600 To him, this was something that he honestly did believe 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:27.160 he was born to do, and he enjoyed it. This 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.360 is he loved it, and he gave it his best 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:37.319 every single day. You know when he used to say, uh, 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:41.000 more more fun than any human beings should be allowed 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:45.440 to have. That's how he lived his life. And you 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:50.400 know it wasn't without problems, and he overcame so many things, 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.960 as you and David's brother know and all that, but 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.400 he he never even phoned it in when he was 0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:00.239 going through his various trials and tribulations like who doesn't 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.480 have those in life? And those trials and tribulations that 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:07.719 he overcame that were of his own doing, took enormous courage. 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.000 And then so much of the things he had to 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:15.520 overcome were externally imposed on him. And I know in 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:20.120 the beginning, now everybody knows we're in a psycho toxic 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.560 you know, social media world. But when people started coming 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.400 after him, I think it surprised an It hurt him 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.160 in a way that he didn't understand because he was 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.520 his person. He was never mean. Now, I don't know 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.600 how people ever thought he was mean. There was nothing 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.200 ever mean about him. Did he have a mean bonus? 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:44.440 I've never talked anybody. No, No, Nor was he racist, 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.399 nor was he bigoted, nor was he all these other 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.000 things that the left through on him as a means 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:55.560 of trying to hurt him and diminish his credibility. You know, 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.359 they came at him. What what we're all accused of 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:02.600 these days. You know, you want sovereign borders, you're a 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.520 racist if you like you know, whatever it is, you're racist, 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:07.640 no matter what. We know all that. But they did 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.759 that to him first. So in a way, he was 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:15.600 like a punching bag in a in a learning vehicle 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:19.560 or a preparation vehicle for now all of us that 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:23.400 are called racist at any moment. And you know before 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:27.000 that he was a misogynist, and and he was aside, 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.839 he was a a feminazi. That was my favorite thing 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.879 because I I left, I left the feminist whatever way. 0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:36.680 I'm sixty eight, so we're kind of the same age. Well, 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:38.680 I could hang in with them when they said a 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.480 man a woman needs a man like a bike needs 0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.399 a fish. And then they turned in all the id 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:47.440 politics instead of really, you know, equal opportunity and all 0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:51.200 that and feminine you can't even use the word nots anymore. 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:55.719 But when he said feminazi, I just to this day 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.480 I crack up because it was so perfect and it 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:03.040 was such so port entious, like they were so untouchable 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.040 when he started doing that, and it was and he 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:06.920 really had the nail on the head. If I may 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:11.040 say this, A lot of feminists that took took feminism 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.120 in the wrong direction. He couldn't be not you know, 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.000 I don't really even want to say this, but he 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.880 knew what the problem, what the essence of that fanaticism 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.319 was as and it's the same with all kinds of 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:28.320 liberal fanaticism. He understood that and it never tainted his soul. 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:33.719 It just inspired him to get people to understand not 0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:36.080 only what they were doing, what they were planning to do, 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.759 but what to do about it, and to keep doing it, 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:43.080 and to keep doing it and to keep fighting and 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:46.040 the other thing. Besides never being mean to anybody. He 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:49.560 I'm sure he had some depressed days, but you he 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:52.920 how many times did people call in and they were 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.960 crying or they're about to cry, or they were so forlorn, 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.480 or they've just given up, including people lost their jobs 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:02.360 and stuff. He would just talk him back from the brink. 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.799 And it's just that had such a magnifying force for 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.000 so many people that didn't call in. I can't tell 0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:13.400 you how many. When I was on the road, everybody 0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:15.880 everywhere I went people asked this, And you know, I 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:19.719 must have coasted more than you that I remember, But 0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:23.120 everybody always asked me about Rush. But what was he 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.320 really like? And was he really that good? And Bubba 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:31.560 he really well, I'm missing him, James, I'm having I'm 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:35.400 having having Rush rushed through me. He were channeling Rush 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:38.239 right now and he's saying he misses everybody, and he 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:42.399 loves everybody, and he's so grateful. And he really was grateful. Member. 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:46.120 He used to say, no matter what you've given me, 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:48.440 and no matter how much you think you've done for me, 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:51.239 is nothing, and compared, he would tell his orderence to 0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:54.040 what they did for him, and how he was eternally 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:59.279 grateful and gratified by what this audience had given to 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.960 him and his family. And he really meant every single 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:07.279 word of that. Mary, I hope people realize how rare 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:12.560 that is, because he was completely not just rarefied atmosphere, 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:17.200 but his own level. You know, he was his own level, 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.359 and he always believed that. And that's such a rare 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:24.480 occurrence because I've seen too many James says. My James 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:28.440 has two people who get famous and then start believing 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.000 their own press. And this is not antiliar to the 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.440 right or the left. It's like everybody who gets famous 0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:37.680 thinks they're untouchable, and they in a way, they become isolated. 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:39.400 I mean, you couldn't go out with rush I remember 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.799 we went to Patsy's once after his TV show, and 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.000 you know, I just couldn't go anywhere with him. So 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:52.080 it's isolating. But he always stayed genuine and knowledgeable and 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.239 not angry. He wasn't not There's no anger that fueled 0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:02.120 his like it does so much in politics. The man 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.719 was a happy man who was born to do what 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:08.080 he was doing, and in Katherine found the love of 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.200 his life. And I think it's life changed a lot 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.080 when he moved to Florida to that was a lot. 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.560 That was a big I don't want to say. When 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.719 he could have a normal, kind of a normal life. 0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.239 He could drive where he wanted to drive himself, he 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:23.759 didn't need to have people around him for security all 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:27.399 the time. He could have a somewhat normal life. Yes, 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.879 of course it wasn't a somewhat normal life because he 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:35.040 was so surrounded himself with objects of interest and beauty 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.520 and all. He wasn't in any way showing, but he 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.880 wanted to share it. Marry. He'd have the Spring Fling 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:44.799 every spring obviously did be sports people. And one year 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.080 I asked him to invite Vince Flynn and they became 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:50.760 great friends. And then he had the He had the 0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:54.320 twenty four people one year, and he just shared everything. 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.680 He put everybody up when he got married, he and Katherine, 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.160 he put everybody up at that at that hotel hell 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:03.880 and we had hair day, you know, like he's just 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:11.120 so generous with his uh success and and she was 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:17.399 the biggest sharer of anybody an entertainer, um and and 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.200 and trying to and host. That's what I'm trying to 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:24.080 think of host. He's always made everybody so happy, comfortable, entertained, 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.920 and it was never a big foot about it, you know. 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.600 And I'll tell you another story like that right after. Well, 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.239 this was when we were first won the White House 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.919 in two thousand four, and I was then working with 0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:37.759 I had two little babies. Our babies are a little bit. 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:39.960 I wanted to work with Dick Chase. I went back 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:41.800 in the White House, and the first thing Dick Cheney 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.360 wanted to do, and this was the first party we 0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:47.279 planned at the Vice President's residence, was to do it 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:50.560 in honor of Rush, because Cheney understood what happened in 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:55.080 and he really loved Rush and respected Russian in many ways, 0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:59.560 got the same kind of incoming that Rush got. So 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:03.800 then nine eleven happened, so we had to scrap everything 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:05.840 because Cheney and I could not be in town the 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:09.960 same time that Bush was the president was so for 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:12.799 continuity of government. So when we finally had it, it 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:17.040 was after he started losing his hearing, and that was 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.560 very frustrating for him. He couldn't be in a crowd. 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:23.480 It was too cacophonous for him, right, It actually was 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:25.960 painful for him to act and being a crowd and 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.080 half his cochlear implant, it was painful. And this was 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:32.480 even before his cochlear thing, and he was just he 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:35.120 was trying to deal with, you know, like the whole 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:38.280 that was another thing. Who else what is more important 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:45.200 to speech than hearing? Okay, communicating? He never lost his voice, 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.839 It never became unrecognizable. But I do remember that night, 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:52.960 how humble and moved he He wasn't but he couldn't 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.200 really hear everything. So I was sitting next to him, 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.960 trans not translating, you know what I mean, repeating everything, 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:01.600 and I knew ta he He's talked many times well 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.239 then at that time. I don't know if he got 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.279 a note or he talked about that party and how 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:10.960 he wished his dad had been around to see it. 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:16.399 And he again another instance of so beloved and and 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:20.600 so humbled and and so in a he was so 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:25.200 rarefied in in a way that every so many people admired. 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:27.919 But it never failed to surprise him. Never, he never 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.200 took it for granted. He was always in awe every 0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:32.839 time he came to the White House. The man has 0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:39.719 perpetual childlike awe and wonder over things historic in this 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:44.759 country and people who were true public servants, and they 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:48.160 just he was he and he and Dick Cheney had 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:52.560 a very lovely relationship. You everybody used to say, I 0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.000 think I knew Rushed before anybody else in my world. 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.520 And they'd say, your reason, charge of Russia, And I'm 0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:59.319 not in charge of him? And everything? Can I get 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:01.839 on rushed. Can you call Russian? I never never ever 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.760 ever called. He told me I could call for anybody, 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.000 and the only one I just made a liaison with. 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:10.160 And then he had his own relationships subsequent to the 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:14.000 first time was with Dick Cheney and he I think 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.319 he enjoyed those shows. I think they enjoyed each other. 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.360 Yes they did. It was apparent on the air that 0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:22.839 they did, because you could almost feel the bond of camaraderie, 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.800 that they had your perseverance here and your devotion to 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:27.920 service you and you and rumsfelt both. I mean, you've 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.680 given your lives, your country, You've taken all kinds of 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:32.239 slings and arrows for it, and I just want you 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.799 to know that, Um, I am at the top of 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.279 the list among people have a great sense of appreciation 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:41.759 for what you've done. Well mean, in the world count 0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:45.279 from you. Well, I'm I'm flattered, but but you really, 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:46.880 it's it's an honor to have have been able to know 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:50.200 you and get to know your family and and your friends, 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.560 and we wish you the best. Mr Vice President. Keep on. 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:59.160 So last thing, Mary, Here's legacy. What is Russia's legacy? 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:04.919 You know it's I try to separate out myself as 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:09.600 a friend and a mentee if you will, because he 0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:12.719 really was a guiding force from my personal life in 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:15.400 addition to what I just said as an inspiration, but literally, 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:17.680 like I didn't want to write a book about our experience. 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.000 He goes, are you crazy? One percent of the people 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:21.840 in the world have ever done what you've done. You 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.360 owe it to them to to you owe it to 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.719 the public to say what it's like. If you're going 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:28.920 to tell the truth, I always tell the truth. So 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.960 you talked me into writing that book. And it turns 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:35.680 out I'm not a bad writer, and I write all 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.920 my stuff Longhand, And as you said, I come prepared 0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:42.240 and I'm just you know, the firstborn girl child perfectionist. 0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:44.719 And he made me do that and he opened up 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:48.160 all new horizons. So there's a personal legacy for me. 0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:53.399 But his public legacy is in addition to what James said, 0:51:55.320 --> 0:52:00.480 absolutely Tran talk about transformation. He was a transformational force 0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:05.840 in the in the industry. But he I think in 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:10.560 history will show him to be the this era is 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:15.319 equivalent of like a Socrates. Do you know I know, 0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.720 I'm know how I'm the dumbest man in the world. 0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:20.560 That's how I know I'm smart, because I know how 0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:23.239 much I don't know, and I am the smart And 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:25.640 he was the smartest man that I ever knew. But 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:32.040 he always was seeking and explaining virtue. And the essence 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:36.680 of a representative republican freedom is virtue. It takes virtuous people, 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:41.279 and virtue requires and freedom requires constant vigilance. And he 0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:45.560 I think in the span of history it will he 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:50.000 will be understood by fair people, by fair historians, which 0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:57.880 there aren't very many, as a pivotal, transformational, socratic type person. 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:00.840 And if I if you could flash forward, he was 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:03.799 in the modern era, post Enlightenment. He was more like 0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:09.759 Edmund Burke than Rospierre, you know, like he a good revolution, 0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:16.600 a controlled revolution, and incremental revolution, a constructive revolution. Uh. 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:20.400 He just I think his legacy will be that he 0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:23.759 guided us through a very from the industrial age to 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:28.640 the information age, very very, very tricky, while maintaining the 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:33.080 principles that got us to the position that we could 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:41.640 continue to progress constructively and humanely and globally if we 0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:45.960 if we had taken his and it wasn't his advice 0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:48.640 and as the wisdom of the ages, and it was reality, 0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:53.160 it was reality. I just think his legacy will will 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:57.799 really be that honestly, that transformational. And I think Catherine's too. 0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:02.120 You know, she really brought the kind of support and 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:09.360 structure and love and faith and in him that that 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.719 he was always kind of not missing, but you know, 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.480 like she really hit that sweet spot. And man, im, 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:18.799 that's what I want to remember about him, is that 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:23.080 he found not just success, he found his true love 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:28.960 and his true place and his his his true life. 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:32.200 He lived his best life. And that's that's a legacy 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.319 in and of itself. Mary, I cannot thank you enough. 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:37.399 And I and and you know what, I also want 0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:39.400 to thank you, not just for me, not just for 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.000 the time you did here, but you know, all of 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:47.399 us that love Rush, we thank you for being such 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:55.200 a good, steady, wonderful friend to our Rush. It was mutual. 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:59.719 And I want to just say this about Rush. There's 0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:02.480 no body that ever was in the presence of the man, 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:07.719 ever that I know of liberals or conservatives or a 0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:15.240 political people who didn't think he was the most gentlemanly, interesting, humble, 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:21.960 informative person they've ever met. And that's true. The man 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:25.280 was just he was just everything the likes of rush, 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:28.600 we're not going to see again and forever and and 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:32.000 and I have to call you. Ooh, he knew he 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:34.640 and you. I don't think he could have done it 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:36.840 without you, without the whole team, of course, but you 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:43.560 were like the his constant touchstone, like you know, everything 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:46.480 he said, he would take a look at you, or 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:48.920 how many times as he said, we're talking about this, 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:52.520 you don't believe you don't think that you disagree with me, 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:55.200 And it was it's like he was never you never talked, 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:58.239 which is so cool, Like you just we knew where 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:01.439 you were and he would describe it, said, behind the thing, 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.759 and it just was that. That was a beautiful relationship. 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:08.080 And I think a legacy too, because it's something that 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:10.360 some somebody can have for the length of time that 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.239 he had the same team. You have to be a 0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.840 good person with loyalty which goes both ways to have 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.239 the kind of team that he had, which you were 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:22.480 the spearhead of. So we thank you both, Snarley, James, 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:26.640 Golden and best, best best for you and please let 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:29.799 me be a part of your life going forward. Oh yes, 0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:32.400 you know you are. You know. I love you so much, Mary, 0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.760 and thank you for everything. And thank you for doing 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:38.120 this with us. And you know it's just in a way. 0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.960 I mean, I'm still heartbroken, Mary, but you know, just 0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.759 speaking with you it brings its smiles. It smiles. You're 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:48.840 so handsome, You're so cute and so articulate. Please you 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:53.480 keep doing what you're doing. And I don't think anyone 0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:59.680 can maintain in further the Limbaugh legacy better than you can. Both, 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:13.880 what an episode. Thank you, Mary Madlen and James Carville. 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:17.160 On the next episode of Rush Limbaugh The Man Behind 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:21.560 the Golden E I B Microphone, Russia Limbaugh in print, 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.720 the most widely read political news letter in America was 0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:29.160 the Limball Letter. Meet two of the people behind it, 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:32.360 the edit tricks of the Limball Letter, Diana a Loco, 0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:36.280 and the creative director, Denise May. That's coming up in 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:40.120 our next episode. 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