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That's t the number 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: two t dot org. You are the most generous audience 31 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: there is, and we thank you for your support. On 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: this edition of Rush Limbaugh, The Man behind the Golden E. 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: I B. Mike, we have a treat today, and without 34 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: further introduction, Mary Mattlin and husband James Carvel, welcome both 35 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: of you to this podcast series. So we don't do 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: this together, I have to start by asking Mary and 37 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: James separately, when did you meet Rush? Mary gonna go first, 38 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: I thank you. I know you met him before I did. 39 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: Go ahead, I met him. We visited him and had 40 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: used to have an apartment like right on Fifth Avenue 41 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: in New York. And the first time I met him 42 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: was at his condo apartment whatever you call it was 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Upper east Side, his Upper east Side digs and Mary, 44 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: you was that the time, honey? We went with Russert 45 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: and his wife with Tim, remember that we had dinner 46 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: at that but that was no that was at Central 47 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: when he lived in Central Park. We went and at 48 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: dinner with Russers. But Russian James ironically hit it off 49 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: and I knew Brush before he was rushed. We kind 50 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: of I think my dad turned me onto him in 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: the eighties, late eighties, and then we've been constant companions 52 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: since then, as James will tell you, since I never 53 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: turned him off. I miss seeing both of you. Remember 54 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: those Tim Russer Christmas shows, and we sure do missing 55 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: those of us who I mean, we love seeing your 56 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: family on Meet the Press with Tim Russer and I 57 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: gotta tell you Meet the Press. Of course, that was 58 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: back in the golden age of Meet the Press. James. 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: Let me, James elaborate on Meet the Press, because I 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: think this is a turning point in a lot of things. 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: When Tim Russer passed but interesting, sad, bitter sweet, but 62 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: tribute to Tim Russert in our relationship is, um James 63 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: tell him first of all, I think, James, you said 64 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: we were on there more than anybody else, Like, let's 65 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: elaborate at Tim. I don't know I was on I 66 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: was on that a lot. I don't know about more 67 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: than I think Bob Doe Will holds the whole time 68 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: record for me depress, but I could be the longest. 69 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: Probably changed since then. Um, well and I were just 70 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 1: they were like best friends. I mean we've had our 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: baseball tickets together with you know, professional basketball or Wizards 72 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: tickets together. His son and I did a top sports 73 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: talk radio show for some time. And uh, you're right. 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: When he died in June the first night we're in 75 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: New Orleans and and part of Washington journalism, I think 76 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: it died with Tim, but you know, it was just 77 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: it was one of those kind of similar events and uh, 78 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: you know it was to was to day. It's it's 79 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: difficult and it was, uh what twelve years ago, thirteen 80 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: years ago kind of order to believe it was the 81 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: first he died the first night that we were going 82 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: to spend in our house in New Orleans. So it 83 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: was it was almost to the date if you look 84 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: it up, maybe it was June eighth and ninth, the 85 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: day died, but before probably topa. I guess it would 86 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: be unfortunately, thirteenth year anniversary. Warm Alright. I don't want 87 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: to talk politics, because that is kind of not why 88 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: we're here. I do want to talk about Rush though. Now, James, 89 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: you know Rush had a nickname for you, what washing? 90 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: Somebody's Chelby? But what remind me again? It was serpent head. Yeah, 91 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: very calm any any nickname is good. Where that came from? Where? Um? 92 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: Jeb Bush? Well, it was a jabb or ales No, no, no, Jeb. 93 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: It was Jeff Bush. Because I was so smitten with James, 94 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: and I was on this rocket of a career trajectory 95 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: and I fell in love with him. And it was 96 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: in the middle of that campaign that I was running. 97 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: He was running Clinton's, and so everybody was like, who 98 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: is this guy? Nobody knew, And when Jeff saw my 99 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: TV goes that's it. That's the guy. And Roddrill said 100 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: this verse, he looks like I issue swam too close 101 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: to a nuclear reactor. And Jeff goes he it's like 102 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: a serpent head. I love you head. Well that quickly 103 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: be yeah, that quickly became. That quickly became your nickname 104 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: on the Russi Limbo Show and James, as you may know, 105 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: I don't know whether you know this or not. Rush 106 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: We had a lot of bits. Yeah, people would tell 107 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: me about it not you know, and that you know. 108 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: I never you know. It's part of being in a 109 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: public person. But you're right, married Right, every time I 110 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: get in her car that she had previously driven, it 111 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: would be on RUSH Radio. So I don't I think 112 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: I'd changed it right away to NPR. But but I 113 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: I think if I say something about Rush, if when 114 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: you've become famous, and I've noticed some right, people only 115 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: know you for what you're famous for, all right, So 116 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: if if you're a baseball player and you're famous, you 117 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: have a life outside of baseball, people are just not 118 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: that interested in it, are marginally interested in it, and 119 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: they want to talk to you about that. Well, obviously, 120 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: probably two people that Mary was closest to it was 121 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Russian Vice President Cheney, and as a result of that, 122 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: I had to spend a fair amount of time and 123 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: but both of them word. They were multidimensional people. So 124 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: whoever I was gonna talk about politics, because I sure 125 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: they didn't agree to anything they said, and they would 126 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: say the same thing about me, but we could talk 127 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: about other things very easily. Was it wasn't a stilted 128 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: to force conversation that were They're both multidimensional people, so 129 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: you didn't have like uncomfortable small talk. And I think 130 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: that's something that's kind of important because, like I said, people, 131 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: when people come famous, they're only known for the thing 132 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: that they become famous for. But they have families, and 133 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: they have interests, and they have you know, children, or 134 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: they have any number of things that they deal with. 135 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: And I always found it, you know, easy to in 136 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: a social situation, uh, with both of these men and 137 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: not feel uncomfortable or anything like that. What did Dreames 138 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: tell my James tell Russia's James? What are Rush gave 139 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: us for a wedding present? Because that was one of 140 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: his things he knew a lot about. I said, let's 141 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: just say it was, hey gave us a magnum of 142 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: Obreon whoa of which, Yeah, it's pretty nice. I mean 143 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: it was any knew whe I mean he did, you 144 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: know and I would, I could talk, you know, vintages 145 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: with him or anything like that. And I uh, I 146 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: think we're gonna open it Thanksgiving if they it's getting 147 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: a little long in the tooth yet, I don't want 148 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: to sell it because you know when somebody gives you 149 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: a gift like that and they don't give it to sell. 150 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: And I still have it the Shanador Valley and it's 151 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: under control temperature, so I think that I think it 152 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: will drink just fine come November. The great cut post 153 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: COVID Thanksgiving, right, yeah, I'll tell you post COVID, I 154 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: just I'll spent a week in Las Vegas. You know 155 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: that was his re entry, James Golding, wonderful. Well, I'm 156 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: glad you. I am glad that you are post COVID. Now, 157 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: can I just get your reaction to this? Okay, So 158 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: those of us old enough to remember what the campaign 159 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: was like between Bush UH forty one and Bill Clinton, 160 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: remember it was a pretty heated campaign there. And then 161 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: comes this surprise, and you two took everybody by surprise 162 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: when news I don't know, was it leaked out or 163 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: did you announce it that you two were indeed in 164 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: love with each other and you were having a relationship. 165 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: How did what was the reaction at that time that 166 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: both of you encountered what we had a relationship prior 167 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: to the campaign. In fact, when I was doing the 168 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: Harris Wofford Race and the fall of but very well, 169 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: I've to go to the Durious three station in Philadelphia, 170 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: gorgeous building, you know, the angel holding the fallen soldier, 171 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: and uh, it was among people in Washington insiders, it 172 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: was pretty well. It was not the secret. I mean 173 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: we'd go to dinner together and do all kinds of things. 174 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: And and then once the campaign started, I think that 175 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: the public became sort of more aware of it. And 176 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny for all of that and that campaign, Uh, 177 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: President H. W. Bush and President Clinton became really close. 178 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was almost like an uncle to President Clinton. 179 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: And I'd go to the library, you know, and done 180 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: Evensford very you know, a couple three times, and you know, 181 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: always gracious and everything. And you know, it was a 182 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: different era in politics. And we'll just leave it at that. 183 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: Do you wish that that some of that Eric could 184 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: come back? I wish I was you know, forty eight. Again, 185 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, nothing stays the same That's what people got 186 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: to realize. It is you're in a place now, but 187 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, the place we were in is a different 188 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: place than we were in in two thousand and six, 189 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: which is a different place, and we're gonna be in 190 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand and twenty six. I mean, I I 191 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how it is this ends, but it's 192 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: the one thing I know. It'll morph into something else, 193 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: whether whether it moss into something better or worse. Uh, 194 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: promisic kind of got something better. But but it's what 195 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: it is right now. The Democrat part never James Carvill, 196 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: James Carvil, the Democrat Party that's never been, that's never been. 197 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: This polace in life boat. That was after Trump was elected. 198 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: James Kerver was on yesterday, Biden's gonna be Biden. He's 199 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: gaff pro but he got a hard to go, hard 200 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: to go all out there. You can't say another man 201 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: about on. Joe, Joe are the greatest guys in the 202 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: Democratic body. Leader that we need is exactly kind of leader. 203 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: He's a kind of the leader of the world. Day 204 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: Joe back. Over the course of this series, we've been 205 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: taking you on the biographical journey of Russia's life narrated 206 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: by his friends, family, and colleagues. Today we welcome Premier 207 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: Networks and nationally syndicated host George Norri. There's so many 208 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: commonalities between Russell and Bat and George Norri, both experienced 209 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: broadcasters from the Midwest and both from Missouri. Both broadcasters 210 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: host radio programs that are heard on over six hundred 211 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: radio stations daily, many of the affiliate stations bearing the 212 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: same call letters. George Norri is best known as host 213 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: of the Coast to Coast AM radio program All About 214 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: the Unexplainable now the incomparable George nor The Life of 215 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Russia Limbaugh Chapter nine, narrated by George nor The nineties 216 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: drew new lines in the political battlefield, ultimately leading to 217 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: a hotly contested two thousand presidential election. But by the 218 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: time George W. Bush was inaugurated and the dust began 219 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: to settle, the era of compassionate Conservatism seemed poised for 220 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: smooth Saley. The Clinton presidency was in the rear view mirror. 221 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: The House had a Republican majority, and because Conservatives were 222 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: riding high, Russia's critics predicted, without anyone to complain about, 223 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: his show would soon be on the decline, and then 224 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: on a clear Tuesday morning, everything changed and debris is 225 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: just falling off the building. I mean it's underwardly looking 226 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: at the trade towers exactly when it happened. We need 227 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: to unite, We need to understand together. September eleven, two 228 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: thousand one profoundly impacted America, the presidency and Russia limbus. 229 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: All different sets of emotions start taking over. Then in 230 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: the course of the next few weeks, learned that I 231 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: knew people who lost people, family members and friends of 232 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: the World Trade Center. They are still not the same. 233 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: The tone of politics changed on a dime, and Russia's 234 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: audience grew dramatically as Americans turned to a familiar, soothing 235 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: voice to calm the chaos, pick up the pieces, and 236 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: move America forward. The Bush White House also recognized the 237 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: breach of his program, as both President Bush and Vice 238 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: President Dick Cheney became regular contributors. Welcome back to the 239 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: program the Vice President, Dick Cheney, Mr Vice President, thank 240 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: you as always, it's a it's an honor and a 241 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: delight to have you here with us. Great talk to 242 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: you again. After two successful terms and despite expertly guiding 243 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: America through an unprecedented crisis early in his administration. President 244 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: Bush left Washington with the waning popular the and a 245 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: miss harsh criticism. In the years that followed. Rush tried 246 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: to set the record straight. Bush was a solid leader 247 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: dealing with nine eleven of me. How in the world 248 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: you go from that perception to go to being approval, 249 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: hated and reviled. You do that by letting the media destraw. 250 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: You're not fighting back and not getting political because you 251 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: don't want to sully the office or whatever. To the end, 252 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: Russell Limbaugh had profound respect for his friend, President George W. 253 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: Bush and his stewardship of the American President's Bush has 254 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: been rehabilitated. In the eyes of the drive by media, 255 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: Bush is gracious. Now. What's missing in this transformation, of course, 256 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: Bush the evil, to Bush the gracious is the acknowledgment 257 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: that he has always comported himself this way. Despite the 258 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: relentless attacks these past eight years, George W. Bush has 259 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: been a class act. He considered Bush a strong leader 260 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: who was unfairly defined by his opponents, and for his part, 261 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: George W. 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Log 279 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: on to my pillow dot com, clicking on the new 280 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: radio listeners specials and use promo code icon. Lots of 281 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: incredible offers there. Now that's my pillow dot Com promo 282 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: code icon. Let me just say this to you, and 283 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: I'll get your reaction to it. I don't know whether 284 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: you two realizes it or not, but for a lot 285 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: of people um that that are really political people, I 286 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: believe that you two are an inspiration because in a 287 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: way you symbolize something. You symbolize that two people who 288 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: are on opposite ends of the political spectrum can still 289 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: have a very loving relationship with each other. You guys 290 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: have been married for a while, you have kids now 291 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: that have grown, and I can still hear the love 292 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: between both of you, and this is his apparent always 293 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: been a real thing with you since you've guys decided 294 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: you were in love with each other. And so do 295 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: you share the belief that this is somehow that this 296 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: is in a way you two are larger than yourselves. Well, 297 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: all right, and don't you have a long conversation with Mary. 298 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: I just I'll go back to the original thing is 299 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: if you're famously you're known for something, of course this 300 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: is the way that we're in the living. There was 301 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: a guy, I think Walter Shapiro, wrote a review of 302 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: our book, and his point was, it's not surprising that 303 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: something like this happened in Washington, but would really be 304 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: surprising if Mary married a tree surgeon in Idaho. I mean, 305 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: if you put thought that would have been you know, 306 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: if you put when you put you know, boys and 307 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: girls in the same kind of profession, you know, and 308 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: that there are other examples of of people like us. 309 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, you know, passed the baton to Kelly, 310 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: Anne and George with which I'm happy to do. But 311 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: like Anna been At and John Buckley, they were good 312 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: friends of ours. They were you know, definitely John Buckley 313 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: was one of the famous Buckley's of Connecticut. And Anna 314 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: ben it's a fort worth uh. And she's a very 315 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: accomplished poster. I worked, I thought in New Jersey some 316 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: So I mean that they're instances of it, because it's 317 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: just the way that nature is. When you start mixing 318 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: compounds someone we're gonna stick m and uh. And I 319 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: think that what's helped us as we maintain interest in 320 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: things outside of politics, I think that's it. I think 321 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: that's you know, we both have a describe as a 322 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: healthy interest in politics, and I don't deny that, but 323 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: we have, you know, all kinds of stuff, but we 324 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: also enjoy we enjoy so many other things, football, family, food, 325 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: friends history. Okay, now let's take the politics if we 326 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: can aside out of the question. All right, what do 327 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: you think Russian blaws legacy is going to be, James, Well, 328 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: I mean it saved an entire medium of communications. I 329 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: mean they saved a m radio. And the way that 330 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: you know a person's legacy is how many knockoffs did 331 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: he create? You know, let Mary go through the list 332 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: of names of people you know. And I want to 333 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: only limit my remarks to positive remarks, and would note 334 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: that not the appropriate time to make. But but but 335 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: but well, in a nation that is really divided into 336 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: people that think difficions is a problem, kind of harder 337 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: to say, what a divisive guy. But having said that, 338 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: what I'd like to focus on because you know, he 339 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: created a lot of knockoffs and none of them ever 340 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: became him. And that's that's when you you know you've 341 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: done something when you've got successful people imitating you. And 342 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: I know in my own life, I mean have any 343 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: talk radio, but I always take such pride and people 344 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: in the campaigns that worked for me to have gone 345 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: on to do a lot of great things. Uh, So 346 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: that that that's what you gotta feel good. No, I mean, 347 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure that that rush. You know, I don't have 348 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: any doubt that he believed in the things that he said, 349 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: and I'm sure he had to take a certain amount 350 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: of pride that so many people imitated him, and that 351 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: I think is is I don't think anybody has had 352 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: that kind of you know, influence and the right wing 353 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: media at all. And I mean I was listening to 354 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: him and I was working in Kentucky, and I mean 355 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: it's like that's that that uh, you know, to do. 356 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I couldn't do three hours of programming 357 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: five days a week for anything in the world, and 358 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: you know he was doing. I mean, he was not 359 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: an overly modest man, but be honest, in terms of 360 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: his professional career, he didn't have a lot to be 361 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: modest about. You know, I'll say I I you know, 362 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: and I love coming on here, but Marry, I don't 363 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: know how much she loved r I should love you. 364 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: And oh, I was glad that you all asked me 365 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: to participate for a few minutes in this. I'm happy 366 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: that you did, and I'm so happy that you did. James, 367 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much. We do appreciate your time. You honey, 368 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: love you by now married the attention. I mean, actually 369 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: we can't talk together. This is how we why we 370 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: were halfway decent on Tim because he we just talk 371 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: over each other. But can I just pick up on 372 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: one point that that James made that's so important and 373 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: its it's tied a little bow around everything you've been 374 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: saying about this period, and there's things that people didn't 375 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: know about Rush. I mean, of course he was more talented. 376 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: He was talent on loan from God, and you too, James. 377 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: The other James were saying confusing and James, but he 378 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: picking up on that point that James made. In real life, 379 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: Rush was an overly modest, humble he had he knew 380 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: what the data was. But I think to the very 381 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: end he was moved, struck, shocked, awed by his own reach. 382 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: He also was a gentleman. He was courteous, he was gentle, 383 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: He was patient. He taught me how to use it 384 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: iPhone when in the flip phone days. He knew something 385 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: about He was a Polly math or self taught Polly 386 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: Matthew knew wine and no architecture, new aviation, economic spycraft. 387 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: The guy was a real renaissance man and that's why 388 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: that that's how I think of Rush and the other 389 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: thing that James used to st James listened to him 390 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: a lot when we were in the car together. He 391 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: does he could do more better than anybody I've ever seen, 392 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: including James. But this is one of James's talents make 393 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: the complex understandable. But it's just there's just now you 394 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: know everybody, I don't. I don't want to make comparisons, 395 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: but I don't know anybody else that had as deep 396 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: a philosophical and and literal understanding of so many topics. 397 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: And he had first principles, and he was steeped in history. 398 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: And you know what else he knew that I don't 399 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: know anybody else that knows is is he turned me 400 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: onto this is what real liberalism, real legacy socialism is like. 401 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: He understood liberals, if you really, and he inspired me 402 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: to do this. Read a lot about the Russian Revolution 403 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: and even proceeding that marks and you know, the Enlightenment 404 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: and all that. He knew the whole thread of history 405 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: that led to liberalism, and he understood how it became 406 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: a racket and how it beat, how it transited the globe. 407 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: And that's why he was always a step ahead of 408 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: He always knew what the Democrats were gonna do before 409 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: we even knew what was going on. One of the 410 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: problems I had with Rush early on was I was 411 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: kind of a hippie dippy, you know, environmentalist in my 412 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: old days, and he when it started to turn into 413 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: a racket, and he connected it to environmental wackos, which 414 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: I kind of understood, but I couldn't understand the motivation. 415 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: That was the other thing that he could suss out 416 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: and explain the motive. And he never attributed ill motives. 417 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: He attributed the reality he was. He was the mayor 418 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: of Realville, so he knew what they were gonna do, 419 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: and he would say these things that people go, oh, rush, oh, Rush. 420 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: And he was always literally literally sometimes decades, always years 421 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: ahead of where the culture and the zeitgeist was. He's 422 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: he's literally an all time twentieth century genius. I said. 423 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: I used to tell him it was uncanny. He would 424 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: make predictions about the way something would roll out, and 425 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: sometimes I would be one of those voices. I'll come 426 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: on Rush seriously, and within a few months or a year, 427 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: sometimes maybe longer, whatever he predicted would start to happen. 428 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: But you know the beauty the gift you gave him, 429 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: and you would challenge him, and you would poke holton him, 430 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: and you made his particularly as he was thinking. That 431 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: was another thing he did that I've never seen anybody 432 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: do with the aplom that he did it. He would 433 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: think out loud, and he would think in full paragraphs 434 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: and complete narratives. But you would push him at prod 435 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: him and pick at him and understand what he understood 436 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: was in his head. And he thought everybody knew you 437 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: guys were a great team, James, a fabulous team. Thank you. Well. 438 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to know and I always found him interesting 439 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: and I wanted to know how he arrived at these conclusions. 440 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: And you know, he gave me the freedom to disagree 441 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: with him publicly, which was just amazing and astounding. And 442 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: he could sometimes tell by a look because I'd look 443 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: at him a certain way, Why are you looking at 444 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: me like that? Do you not agree? And that was 445 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: if I didn't, Okay, I don't, and why and then 446 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: he would explain it. He was wonderful that way. That's 447 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: the that is the hallmark of a genius is somebody 448 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: who is always challenging their own perspectives, their own ideas, 449 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: and is trying to understand how other people think and 450 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: how they're perceiving what he is that the person here, 451 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: she is saying he always hadn't and he liked to 452 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: be disagreed with, didn't y'all just always tee up the 453 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: liberals first? That's right, that's right. He would demand that 454 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: if someone disagreed, put him up at the top. I 455 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: want to talk to them first. These people are not 456 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: interested in democracy. They're not interested in representative democracy or 457 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: a republic. We are in a battle for the overall 458 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: kind of countries is gonna be. We're not in a 459 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: battle over who is going to win every four years. 460 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 1: We're not in a battle over who's going to be president, 461 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: who's going to run the senator, who's going to run 462 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: the House. The battle we are in is virtually and 463 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: literally about will this remain the United States of America 464 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: as founded? That is what is being waged here now, 465 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: Mary you um uh. The people that have been with us, 466 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: the lifers, the people that were with us for the 467 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: full ride, remember full well that in our very first 468 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: compliment of guest host, we had a guest host rotation. 469 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Dr Walter Williams love him me too, Tony Snow, miss 470 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: m too, and Mary Mattlin. You're too kind, James, I 471 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: would know I'm not you were you were in our rotation. 472 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: You guest hosted the show many times. What was it 473 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: like when you sat down? We used to do the 474 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: show out of Washington, d C. A lot at the 475 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: ABC studios. UH their their headquarters in Washington, d C. 476 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: They allowed us to come in and use their studios 477 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: and they were always, by the way, very nice with us, 478 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: very gracious. Um and you used to come in in 479 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: those days, and I used to fly down. We used 480 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: to do the show from from those studios. What was 481 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: it like for you guest hosting the Russia Limbus show? Nobody, 482 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: and that is that you're You're only like a guest 483 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: in the orbit of Rush. But I think it was 484 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: pretty good when I forgot about those days in Washington, 485 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: because then I did have a daily radio show, which 486 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: when I cut my contracts, in no way I want 487 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: to be on any position except after Russia Limb but 488 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to be on that. But I the two. 489 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: The thing that that I don't remember most is how 490 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: bad I sucked when I came up to New York 491 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: and I was frazzled and frenzied, and I was sitting 492 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: in his actual chair behind the e I b my 493 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: and I just could not get my ship together. And 494 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: you were so kind and you just the only highlight 495 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: of when I did that, and I was so terrible. 496 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: It's like a week was my dad came on and 497 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: devoted to my dad and the way Russia was devoted 498 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: to his dad, and it just that's what I remember, 499 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: is your kindness and my dad coming on and that 500 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: I was so inept in the world of Russian limbo. 501 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: And it really makes you understand the skill set that 502 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: he had in addition to being brainy, like radio is 503 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: the is the most pleasing medium if you're a chatter, 504 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: and it's what's the most difficult. And I do remember 505 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: always missing the heart out, always missing the clock, always 506 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: talking over people. So he thank you for having me on. 507 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: But I remember you kindly said, well you're in the rotation. 508 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: I said, well then you're gonna have a you're gonna 509 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: have a big loss of listeners. And now, folks, if 510 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: you didn't hear it, don't believe her. She was Mary 511 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: was great because I'll tell you one thing Mary always did, 512 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: which was come prepared, and Mary knew and knows subject 513 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: matter of politics like nobody else. I mean, this is 514 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: your this is I mean, I hear you saying that 515 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: you and James, you know, you don't talk about politics, 516 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: and maybe with the rest of the family you don't, 517 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: but you are a political person and you you understand politics. 518 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: You know it from the inside and the outside. All 519 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: of the stuff that's quote unquote in the weeds, you 520 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: understand that stuff, and you can talk about that stuff. 521 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: But you can also talk about big picture politics and 522 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: and all of that. And so that's what you brought 523 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: to the table. And I'm and that's what I know 524 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: you still bring to the table Mary, except I've banned 525 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: myself because I just this this environment is it's so 526 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: ugly and uncivil, and I don't want to be cliche 527 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: about it. But the speaking of the weeds, you mentioned 528 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: earlier that uh Russian I we were so on the 529 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: same wavelength and we went through so many campaigns together 530 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: that if I if and he knew a lot about politics, 531 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: as you knew a lot about everything, but he wouldn't 532 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: have these like blind spots. So I would email him 533 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: and in real time. I don't know how you guys 534 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: did this. In real time, he'd sort three find out 535 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: of his thousand emails a minute, he'd find the one 536 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: and he it would be just I just sent him 537 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: in a headline in the in the title, or a 538 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: quick sentence, uh where he was offered another fact to 539 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: add or some poll date or something I had that 540 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: he didn't know, and he seamlessly incorporated into his subsequent remarks. 541 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: And it just was I felt like we had such 542 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: a such a team thing going on. And then the 543 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: last year, I I I've never seen such courage and bravery. 544 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: I happened to have had health issues with contemporaneous lessly 545 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: with his and some of my friends were going too, 546 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: and my friends were going through the same thing. And 547 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how he got up and went to 548 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: the studio as often as he did, and he put 549 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: off this team. I mean, if people don't, it's just 550 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: so unusual in this sort of I don't want to 551 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: say snow flaky, but this in the in this self 552 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: uh immediate gratification and uh un uncourageous and the easiest 553 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: way out side guys that we find ourselves in rush 554 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: showed the courage of of George Washington. I mean, I can't, 555 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: I can't even I don't even know how he did that. 556 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: Bo you were there, I mean, it just it just 557 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: stunning to me. And he made a huge difference and 558 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: he it. I really felt like he was going to 559 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: bring it over the line, just like he did in 560 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: which was amazing. Ye explained the marked to people by 561 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: the way he the ninth the Republicans had been but 562 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: we had been friends for some time here at that point. 563 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: I literally like a month after I got married, I 564 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: flew out to California for a book party. I think 565 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: he quit doing book parties, but this might have been 566 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: one of the very first books. And his mother was 567 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: that Millie was there, his beloved Millie. I loved her 568 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: and he so all the time that I knew him. 569 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: Preceding this, Republicans were wandering around in the desert and 570 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: they had been in the minority for over half a century. 571 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: And he became an honorary member of the Congress because 572 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: he they couldn't get there, and there you can see 573 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: this problem today. Republicans have a hard time speaking with 574 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: one voice because they're speaking into immediacy. Rush went above 575 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: that and laid out the principles and how the policies 576 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: of this uh, the New Gingridge Revolution at that time 577 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: was really Russia's revolution, how it how the first principles, 578 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: how these policies were predicated on these first principles, and 579 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: everybody was shocked. We won that. No one saw this 580 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: coming except for Russia. The Republicans won the majority, they won, 581 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: We won the New York governors that Rudy Giuliani. It 582 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: was a complete sweep. And I I credit and many 583 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: do too. And anybody who knows anything about policies and 584 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: how messages delivered and penetrates would attribute to the victory 585 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: and the finest victory in the last century for Republicans 586 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: to rush Limbaugh's and I can't call it anything else 587 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: but a campaign. His other completely transformational act was um 588 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: Operation Chaos. He watching fluence on politics way more than 589 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: anybody who's in politics. I shouldn't say that. That's a 590 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: little hyperbole, but he had as much influence as everyday 591 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: operatives have on politics. But in the big picture and 592 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: the historical picture there he had more influence than anybody else, 593 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: and that is fair to say. And towards the his 594 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: his let's say in the sixties when he and Katherine 595 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: started doing the history book. He had identified the problem 596 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 1: the way ahead of the curve, that we weren't learning 597 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: history right. So he's covered so many generations, uh with 598 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: with this unique talent of his, and it it just 599 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: I'm I can't even keep a train of phone. When 600 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: I think of him. My whole brain just smiles, It 601 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: just lights up. I just this everything about him was 602 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: such a special thing. He also was in real life. 603 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: This is a really main point about living happily in 604 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: all eras. That man had a sense of humor. Yes 605 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: he did. He was funny in the sophisticated way, and 606 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: he just was. He was always so much fun to 607 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: be around. I just I just miss him so much. 608 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: Dreams I miss him too. And some days I'm I mean, 609 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: all of us on were I think, you know, I 610 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: still have dreams I miss him. I was talking with 611 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: Dawn the other day and Dawn was saying, you know, 612 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: she still expects to wake up and just one day 613 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: all of us to be back in the studio together. 614 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: And it's just still really um, it's still mind numbing 615 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: that that that when did you find out he was sick? Well, 616 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,959 Speaker 1: I guess I literally found out or when everybody else did. 617 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: But I knew, I just know. I mean, I just 618 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: I just I don't. This sounds weird, but we were 619 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: telepathically connected, and I knew something was freighting him before 620 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: didn't when he announced it. I just was not I 621 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: remember not being remotely surprised, just sad. And I thought 622 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: he was gonna beat it. I really thought he was 623 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: going to beat it. And I he I think he 624 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to say, stepped up his game because 625 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: he never had a bad day even though he thought 626 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: he did. That's another thing. How many people, do you know, 627 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: do something as long as they he did that, who 628 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: come to work talk about being prepared, who come to 629 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 1: their job every day with the level of intensity and 630 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: depth that he did in those days. He come back 631 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: and said, look, yesterday, I don't think I did a 632 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: good job. I let me try. I he just who 633 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: keeps that that that self criticism and that self improvement 634 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: and that reaching for the stars uh as part of 635 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: their fundamental being? And he kept that on at a 636 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: whole different level, like a transcendent i'd given level in 637 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: his last year, and I and I could feel when 638 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: he was having good days and bad days, and it 639 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: had so screwed up his time, not his time even 640 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: looking at the clock. You know this because I never 641 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: saw many clocks as he did in that last year. 642 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: He was so in his zone. And I'm sure he 643 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: was doing it on all kinds of drugs too, because 644 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: you can't just take him, mom, And I still don't 645 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: to this. I've never I've never seen that, and we 646 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: can expect to never see that again. He's he's actually 647 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: a medical miracle, you know. He um he That's what 648 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: I said, And I was in one of the earlier 649 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: podcast I mentioned how at the end of his show 650 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: sometimes he would be so exhausted he couldn't even stand up, 651 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,919 Speaker 1: he could barely stand up. But he gave everything that 652 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: he could into each one of those shows. And and 653 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: this was something else, you know, going into thirty three 654 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: years of being a syndicated holes before, before he real 655 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: eyes he was sick, before he realized that something was wrong, 656 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: Rush was still and even of course afterwards, but he 657 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: always gave it his best shot. He didn't mail it in, 658 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: he never mailed it. He was still excited about being 659 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: on the radio. This hadn't become just a dull routine. 660 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: To him, this was something that he honestly did believe 661 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: he was born to do, and he enjoyed it. This 662 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: is he loved it, and he gave it his best 663 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: every single day. You know when he used to say, uh, 664 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: more more fun than any human beings should be allowed 665 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: to have. That's how he lived his life. And you 666 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: know it wasn't without problems, and he overcame so many things, 667 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: as you and David's brother know and all that, but 668 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: he he never even phoned it in when he was 669 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: going through his various trials and tribulations like who doesn't 670 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: have those in life? And those trials and tribulations that 671 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: he overcame that were of his own doing, took enormous courage. 672 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: And then so much of the things he had to 673 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: overcome were externally imposed on him. And I know in 674 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: the beginning, now everybody knows we're in a psycho toxic 675 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, social media world. But when people started coming 676 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: after him, I think it surprised an It hurt him 677 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: in a way that he didn't understand because he was 678 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: his person. He was never mean. Now, I don't know 679 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: how people ever thought he was mean. There was nothing 680 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: ever mean about him. Did he have a mean bonus? 681 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: I've never talked anybody. No, No, Nor was he racist, 682 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 1: nor was he bigoted, nor was he all these other 683 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: things that the left through on him as a means 684 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: of trying to hurt him and diminish his credibility. You know, 685 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: they came at him. What what we're all accused of 686 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: these days. You know, you want sovereign borders, you're a 687 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: racist if you like you know, whatever it is, you're racist, 688 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: no matter what. We know all that. But they did 689 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: that to him first. So in a way, he was 690 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: like a punching bag in a in a learning vehicle 691 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: or a preparation vehicle for now all of us that 692 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: are called racist at any moment. And you know before 693 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: that he was a misogynist, and and he was aside, 694 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 1: he was a a feminazi. That was my favorite thing 695 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: because I I left, I left the feminist whatever way. 696 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm sixty eight, so we're kind of the same age. Well, 697 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: I could hang in with them when they said a 698 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: man a woman needs a man like a bike needs 699 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 1: a fish. And then they turned in all the id 700 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: politics instead of really, you know, equal opportunity and all 701 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: that and feminine you can't even use the word nots anymore. 702 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: But when he said feminazi, I just to this day 703 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: I crack up because it was so perfect and it 704 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: was such so port entious, like they were so untouchable 705 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: when he started doing that, and it was and he 706 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: really had the nail on the head. If I may 707 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: say this, A lot of feminists that took took feminism 708 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. He couldn't be not you know, 709 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't really even want to say this, but he 710 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: knew what the problem, what the essence of that fanaticism 711 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: was as and it's the same with all kinds of 712 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: liberal fanaticism. He understood that and it never tainted his soul. 713 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: It just inspired him to get people to understand not 714 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: only what they were doing, what they were planning to do, 715 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: but what to do about it, and to keep doing it, 716 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: and to keep doing it and to keep fighting and 717 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: the other thing. Besides never being mean to anybody. He 718 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure he had some depressed days, but you he 719 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: how many times did people call in and they were 720 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: crying or they're about to cry, or they were so forlorn, 721 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: or they've just given up, including people lost their jobs 722 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: and stuff. He would just talk him back from the brink. 723 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: And it's just that had such a magnifying force for 724 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: so many people that didn't call in. I can't tell 725 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: you how many. When I was on the road, everybody 726 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: everywhere I went people asked this, And you know, I 727 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: must have coasted more than you that I remember, But 728 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: everybody always asked me about Rush. But what was he 729 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 1: really like? And was he really that good? And Bubba 730 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: he really well, I'm missing him, James, I'm having I'm 731 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: having having Rush rushed through me. He were channeling Rush 732 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: right now and he's saying he misses everybody, and he 733 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 1: loves everybody, and he's so grateful. And he really was grateful. Member. 734 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: He used to say, no matter what you've given me, 735 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: and no matter how much you think you've done for me, 736 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: is nothing, and compared, he would tell his orderence to 737 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: what they did for him, and how he was eternally 738 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: grateful and gratified by what this audience had given to 739 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: him and his family. And he really meant every single 740 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: word of that. Mary, I hope people realize how rare 741 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: that is, because he was completely not just rarefied atmosphere, 742 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: but his own level. You know, he was his own level, 743 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: and he always believed that. And that's such a rare 744 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 1: occurrence because I've seen too many James says. My James 745 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: has two people who get famous and then start believing 746 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: their own press. And this is not antiliar to the 747 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 1: right or the left. It's like everybody who gets famous 748 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: thinks they're untouchable, and they in a way, they become isolated. 749 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't go out with rush I remember 750 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: we went to Patsy's once after his TV show, and 751 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, I just couldn't go anywhere with him. So 752 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: it's isolating. But he always stayed genuine and knowledgeable and 753 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: not angry. He wasn't not There's no anger that fueled 754 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: his like it does so much in politics. The man 755 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: was a happy man who was born to do what 756 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: he was doing, and in Katherine found the love of 757 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: his life. And I think it's life changed a lot 758 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: when he moved to Florida to that was a lot. 759 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: That was a big I don't want to say. When 760 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: he could have a normal, kind of a normal life. 761 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: He could drive where he wanted to drive himself, he 762 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: didn't need to have people around him for security all 763 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,399 Speaker 1: the time. He could have a somewhat normal life. Yes, 764 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: of course it wasn't a somewhat normal life because he 765 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: was so surrounded himself with objects of interest and beauty 766 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: and all. He wasn't in any way showing, but he 767 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: wanted to share it. Marry. He'd have the Spring Fling 768 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: every spring obviously did be sports people. And one year 769 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: I asked him to invite Vince Flynn and they became 770 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,760 Speaker 1: great friends. And then he had the He had the 771 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,320 Speaker 1: twenty four people one year, and he just shared everything. 772 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: He put everybody up when he got married, he and Katherine, 773 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: he put everybody up at that at that hotel hell 774 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: and we had hair day, you know, like he's just 775 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: so generous with his uh success and and she was 776 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 1: the biggest sharer of anybody an entertainer, um and and 777 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: and trying to and host. That's what I'm trying to 778 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: think of host. He's always made everybody so happy, comfortable, entertained, 779 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: and it was never a big foot about it, you know. 780 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you another story like that right after. Well, 781 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: this was when we were first won the White House 782 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,919 Speaker 1: in two thousand four, and I was then working with 783 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: I had two little babies. Our babies are a little bit. 784 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to work with Dick Chase. I went back 785 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 1: in the White House, and the first thing Dick Cheney 786 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 1: wanted to do, and this was the first party we 787 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 1: planned at the Vice President's residence, was to do it 788 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: in honor of Rush, because Cheney understood what happened in 789 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: and he really loved Rush and respected Russian in many ways, 790 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: got the same kind of incoming that Rush got. So 791 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,800 Speaker 1: then nine eleven happened, so we had to scrap everything 792 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,840 Speaker 1: because Cheney and I could not be in town the 793 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: same time that Bush was the president was so for 794 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: continuity of government. So when we finally had it, it 795 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: was after he started losing his hearing, and that was 796 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: very frustrating for him. He couldn't be in a crowd. 797 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: It was too cacophonous for him, right, It actually was 798 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: painful for him to act and being a crowd and 799 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: half his cochlear implant, it was painful. And this was 800 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: even before his cochlear thing, and he was just he 801 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: was trying to deal with, you know, like the whole 802 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,280 Speaker 1: that was another thing. Who else what is more important 803 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: to speech than hearing? Okay, communicating? He never lost his voice, 804 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: It never became unrecognizable. But I do remember that night, 805 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: how humble and moved he He wasn't but he couldn't 806 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: really hear everything. So I was sitting next to him, 807 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: trans not translating, you know what I mean, repeating everything, 808 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: and I knew ta he He's talked many times well 809 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: then at that time. I don't know if he got 810 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: a note or he talked about that party and how 811 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: he wished his dad had been around to see it. 812 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,399 Speaker 1: And he again another instance of so beloved and and 813 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: so humbled and and so in a he was so 814 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: rarefied in in a way that every so many people admired. 815 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,919 Speaker 1: But it never failed to surprise him. Never, he never 816 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: took it for granted. He was always in awe every 817 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,839 Speaker 1: time he came to the White House. The man has 818 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: perpetual childlike awe and wonder over things historic in this 819 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 1: country and people who were true public servants, and they 820 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: just he was he and he and Dick Cheney had 821 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: a very lovely relationship. You everybody used to say, I 822 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: think I knew Rushed before anybody else in my world. 823 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: And they'd say, your reason, charge of Russia, And I'm 824 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,319 Speaker 1: not in charge of him? And everything? Can I get 825 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,839 Speaker 1: on rushed. Can you call Russian? I never never ever 826 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,760 Speaker 1: ever called. He told me I could call for anybody, 827 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 1: and the only one I just made a liaison with. 828 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: And then he had his own relationships subsequent to the 829 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: first time was with Dick Cheney and he I think 830 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: he enjoyed those shows. I think they enjoyed each other. 831 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,360 Speaker 1: Yes they did. It was apparent on the air that 832 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,839 Speaker 1: they did, because you could almost feel the bond of camaraderie, 833 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,800 Speaker 1: that they had your perseverance here and your devotion to 834 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: service you and you and rumsfelt both. I mean, you've 835 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: given your lives, your country, You've taken all kinds of 836 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 1: slings and arrows for it, and I just want you 837 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,799 Speaker 1: to know that, Um, I am at the top of 838 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: the list among people have a great sense of appreciation 839 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: for what you've done. Well mean, in the world count 840 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: from you. Well, I'm I'm flattered, but but you really, 841 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 1: it's it's an honor to have have been able to know 842 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: you and get to know your family and and your friends, 843 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: and we wish you the best. Mr Vice President. Keep on. 844 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: So last thing, Mary, Here's legacy. What is Russia's legacy? 845 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,919 Speaker 1: You know it's I try to separate out myself as 846 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,600 Speaker 1: a friend and a mentee if you will, because he 847 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 1: really was a guiding force from my personal life in 848 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: addition to what I just said as an inspiration, but literally, 849 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: like I didn't want to write a book about our experience. 850 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: He goes, are you crazy? One percent of the people 851 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: in the world have ever done what you've done. You 852 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: owe it to them to to you owe it to 853 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: the public to say what it's like. If you're going 854 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: to tell the truth, I always tell the truth. So 855 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 1: you talked me into writing that book. And it turns 856 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 1: out I'm not a bad writer, and I write all 857 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: my stuff Longhand, And as you said, I come prepared 858 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,240 Speaker 1: and I'm just you know, the firstborn girl child perfectionist. 859 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: And he made me do that and he opened up 860 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: all new horizons. So there's a personal legacy for me. 861 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,399 Speaker 1: But his public legacy is in addition to what James said, 862 00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,480 Speaker 1: absolutely Tran talk about transformation. He was a transformational force 863 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,840 Speaker 1: in the in the industry. But he I think in 864 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: history will show him to be the this era is 865 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,319 Speaker 1: equivalent of like a Socrates. Do you know I know, 866 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm know how I'm the dumbest man in the world. 867 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: That's how I know I'm smart, because I know how 868 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,239 Speaker 1: much I don't know, and I am the smart And 869 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: he was the smartest man that I ever knew. But 870 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: he always was seeking and explaining virtue. And the essence 871 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: of a representative republican freedom is virtue. It takes virtuous people, 872 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: and virtue requires and freedom requires constant vigilance. And he 873 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: I think in the span of history it will he 874 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: will be understood by fair people, by fair historians, which 875 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: there aren't very many, as a pivotal, transformational, socratic type person. 876 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,840 Speaker 1: And if I if you could flash forward, he was 877 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,799 Speaker 1: in the modern era, post Enlightenment. He was more like 878 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: Edmund Burke than Rospierre, you know, like he a good revolution, 879 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:16,600 Speaker 1: a controlled revolution, and incremental revolution, a constructive revolution. Uh. 880 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,400 Speaker 1: He just I think his legacy will be that he 881 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,759 Speaker 1: guided us through a very from the industrial age to 882 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 1: the information age, very very, very tricky, while maintaining the 883 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: principles that got us to the position that we could 884 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 1: continue to progress constructively and humanely and globally if we 885 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: if we had taken his and it wasn't his advice 886 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 1: and as the wisdom of the ages, and it was reality, 887 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: it was reality. I just think his legacy will will 888 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: really be that honestly, that transformational. And I think Catherine's too. 889 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,120 Speaker 1: You know, she really brought the kind of support and 890 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:09,360 Speaker 1: structure and love and faith and in him that that 891 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,719 Speaker 1: he was always kind of not missing, but you know, 892 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,480 Speaker 1: like she really hit that sweet spot. And man, im, 893 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,799 Speaker 1: that's what I want to remember about him, is that 894 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,080 Speaker 1: he found not just success, he found his true love 895 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,960 Speaker 1: and his true place and his his his true life. 896 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: He lived his best life. And that's that's a legacy 897 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 1: in and of itself. Mary, I cannot thank you enough. 898 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,399 Speaker 1: And I and and you know what, I also want 899 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 1: to thank you, not just for me, not just for 900 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 1: the time you did here, but you know, all of 901 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:47,399 Speaker 1: us that love Rush, we thank you for being such 902 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: a good, steady, wonderful friend to our Rush. It was mutual. 903 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: And I want to just say this about Rush. There's 904 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: no body that ever was in the presence of the man, 905 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: ever that I know of liberals or conservatives or a 906 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:15,240 Speaker 1: political people who didn't think he was the most gentlemanly, interesting, humble, 907 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 1: informative person they've ever met. And that's true. The man 908 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,280 Speaker 1: was just he was just everything the likes of rush, 909 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,600 Speaker 1: we're not going to see again and forever and and 910 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 1: and I have to call you. Ooh, he knew he 911 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: and you. I don't think he could have done it 912 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: without you, without the whole team, of course, but you 913 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 1: were like the his constant touchstone, like you know, everything 914 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: he said, he would take a look at you, or 915 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 1: how many times as he said, we're talking about this, 916 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 1: you don't believe you don't think that you disagree with me, 917 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,200 Speaker 1: And it was it's like he was never you never talked, 918 00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,239 Speaker 1: which is so cool, Like you just we knew where 919 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,439 Speaker 1: you were and he would describe it, said, behind the thing, 920 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 1: and it just was that. That was a beautiful relationship. 921 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: And I think a legacy too, because it's something that 922 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,360 Speaker 1: some somebody can have for the length of time that 923 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,239 Speaker 1: he had the same team. You have to be a 924 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,840 Speaker 1: good person with loyalty which goes both ways to have 925 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 1: the kind of team that he had, which you were 926 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 1: the spearhead of. So we thank you both, Snarley, James, 927 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,640 Speaker 1: Golden and best, best best for you and please let 928 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,799 Speaker 1: me be a part of your life going forward. Oh yes, 929 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,400 Speaker 1: you know you are. You know. I love you so much, Mary, 930 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,760 Speaker 1: and thank you for everything. And thank you for doing 931 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,120 Speaker 1: this with us. And you know it's just in a way. 932 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still heartbroken, Mary, but you know, just 933 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 1: speaking with you it brings its smiles. It smiles. You're 934 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,840 Speaker 1: so handsome, You're so cute and so articulate. Please you 935 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing. And I don't think anyone 936 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: can maintain in further the Limbaugh legacy better than you can. Both, 937 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: what an episode. Thank you, Mary Madlen and James Carville. 938 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Rush Limbaugh The Man Behind 939 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: the Golden E I B Microphone, Russia Limbaugh in print, 940 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,720 Speaker 1: the most widely read political news letter in America was 941 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,160 Speaker 1: the Limball Letter. Meet two of the people behind it, 942 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 1: the edit tricks of the Limball Letter, Diana a Loco, 943 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,280 Speaker 1: and the creative director, Denise May. That's coming up in 944 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: our next episode. 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