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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: I am joined as I am every single episode by

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Speaker 1: my co host, my companion, my compadre, my BFF, professional

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Speaker 1: better from the Fighting City of Philadelphia. Home with the

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Speaker 1: team we love to win the NFC East, especially with

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Speaker 1: their odds. Mr Simon Hunter, Yeah, you know me chat

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Speaker 1: East Coaster for life, can't can can't be saved for you? Right?

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Speaker 1: I think you're looking West Coast? What's going on there, dude? Listen.

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Speaker 1: I was in Los Angeles last week, had a great

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Speaker 1: Friday the Action Network team. A lot of folks were there,

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Speaker 1: you know, Sean Kerner, Chris Raybon, Uh, they live out there.

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Speaker 1: We had some Action Network NFL brainstorming. Everybody should be

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Speaker 1: listening to the Action Network NFL podcast at this point

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Speaker 1: because it's ridiculously smart. You'll hear Kerner, You'll hear Raybon,

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Speaker 1: you'll hear Stucky, and we were talking about a lot

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Speaker 1: of ideas. And then that night we went to so

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Speaker 1: Far So the Rams play the Texans, and of course,

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Speaker 1: like the total in the game, I think it opened

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Speaker 1: so it started making everyone sweat. The night before was

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Speaker 1: that Seahawks Bears game, and there was an Action Network

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Speaker 1: had the under thirty eight in that game. It's sweating time.

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Speaker 1: It's summer, but it's already sweating time for the NFL season.

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Speaker 1: It's the best, like just sweating preseason games chat. It's

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Speaker 1: it's the ultimate appetizer before the main meal. We're about

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Speaker 1: the half it is, so listen. In a few minutes

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Speaker 1: are volume PUBA. Colin Cowherd is gonna come on. He's

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Speaker 1: him change his mind, because the guy doesn't really know

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Speaker 1: that much. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm

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Speaker 1: I just saw the Los Angeles Rams. Obviously, the Rams

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Speaker 1: Where did you get the value on Trey Lance? Did

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Speaker 1: Why is it okay to gamble on a lot of

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Speaker 1: Ryan Jensen top five center gone. Now the backup got her,

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Speaker 1: and the Packers no longer have Davante Adams. So it

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Speaker 1: feels like to me, Brady will be able to throw

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Speaker 1: on play action, but on straight drops against the Rams

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Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald it will be a problem. On straight

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Speaker 1: drops against the Niners pass rush, it will be a problem.

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Speaker 1: So as you guys well know, sometimes it's how do

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Speaker 1: you match up? Like Green Bay, to me, no longer

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Speaker 1: feels like a team that can fall behind and quickly

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Speaker 1: catch up. Without a number one receiver, They're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to control the line of scrimmage and be a different

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Speaker 1: team Tampa. Similarly, with this, Tom Brady hates pressure at

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Speaker 1: the feet. They cannot trail late and drop eighteen straight times.

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Speaker 1: That's not what this old line is. Jensen was a

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Speaker 1: fantastic center, I mean, one of the league's more underrated players.

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Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like in a weird way,

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Speaker 1: as the a f C it just gets better and

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Speaker 1: all these young quarterbacks get better and more experienced. The

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Speaker 1: NFC is just open for the Rams and the Niners.

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Speaker 1: I think, and I think what Trey Lance will be

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Speaker 1: is a less accurate Jimmy G with more big plays athletically,

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Speaker 1: and that'll be fine. I mean, Jimmy G had twenty

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Speaker 1: tv s twelve picks last year they got to the

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship. They really had no over the top ability, right,

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Speaker 1: But he's an accurate thrower. So I kind of feel

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Speaker 1: like Rams Niners they've gotten a huge break with Davante

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Speaker 1: Adams leaving and the Buck's injuries. I don't think Tampa

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Speaker 1: Green Bay have the ability to play from behind at

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Speaker 1: the same level as they did in previous years. So

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Speaker 1: right now, according to fan Duel, Tampa Bay Buccaneers plus

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Speaker 1: three forty on the money line. That's all Tom Brady, right,

455
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Speaker 1: Like Colin, what you just said about the offensive line

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Speaker 1: is accurate. Every better knows you pay attention to what's

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Speaker 1: happening there. It's why betters watch preseason games so they

458
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Speaker 1: can see how the second and third string offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: are doing. Because in Week ten, if that guy's out,

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Speaker 1: it starters out. They want to know what kind of

461
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Speaker 1: value they're going to get, right, So that's a public play.

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Speaker 1: Bucks at plus three, Rams five to one plus five

463
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Speaker 1: right now, Packers five to one on FanDuel. That feels

464
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Speaker 1: like an Aaron Rodgers public play, too, right because, like Colin,

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Speaker 1: I've heard you talk on the radio about Matt Lafleur

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Speaker 1: about the scheme about the knee for receivers. Right now.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got the Niners at plus seven fifty. Of

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Speaker 1: those four teams, which two teams have the most talent,

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Speaker 1: have the best coaches, and are the most loaded at

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Speaker 1: every single position that matters the most right now in football? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the two teams I've watched in the preseason, even with backups,

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Speaker 1: I'm gone, Wow, Bills Niners, Like the Rams have really good,

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Speaker 1: really good high end talent, but they don't have a

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Speaker 1: second corner um their linebacking core outside of Bobby Wagner's

475
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Speaker 1: pretty pedestrian interioral lines. A. When I watched the Bills

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Speaker 1: and the Niners, I'm like ship I mean that Niners

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Speaker 1: all those that running back from l Sue Danny Gray

478
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Speaker 1: like they hit them and they had on some draft picks.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh wow, while they were deep. I think

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Speaker 1: we forget to the Niners have had and maybe at

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Speaker 1: Shanahan style. They've overcome a lot of injuries in the

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Speaker 1: last two years in the toughest division. They still give

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Speaker 1: the Rams fits with injured Jimmy G, injured Devo, injured Kittle.

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Speaker 1: They have overcome injuries so far. It's been a pretty

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Speaker 1: clean camp and I think they have more depth now

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Speaker 1: than they had the previous two years. So in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance, everyone's getting excited about him. When you look

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Speaker 1: at a Tray Lance as quarterback, see what he hasn't done,

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Speaker 1: See what he did in college against clearly inferior competition.

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Speaker 1: What makes you feel comfortable by into the Niners about

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Speaker 1: him because I think they have a super Bowl coach,

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Speaker 1: is super Bowl defensive, super Bowl roster. I think they

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Speaker 1: have depth. Seattle's tanking in the division. That's two wins

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Speaker 1: and my takeaway is, um, I think he's going to

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Speaker 1: complete about his throws and he's going to be Jimmy G.

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Speaker 1: But healthier and more dynamic moving the ball. Um Shanahan's

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Speaker 1: very interesting. Privately, he may have concerns about his accuracy.

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Speaker 1: But what Kyle Shanahan wouldn't want. I'd make the argument

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't want Aaron Rodgers because Aaron wouldn't listen to him.

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Speaker 1: Kyle likes quarterbacks who he can tell what to do

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Speaker 1: and they'll listen. And I think most great offensive coaches

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Speaker 1: truth be told. I think far drove home grown crazy.

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Speaker 1: Um Montana was a good listener. That's why Walsh liked him.

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Speaker 1: Is that we always have this idea like I think.

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Speaker 1: I think Mahomes is hard to coach. I think mechanically

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Speaker 1: he goes sideways every year for about six weeks. I

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Speaker 1: think Andy Reid loves him, but he's hard. So there's

508
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Speaker 1: always this feeling that, um, you know, the more talent

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Speaker 1: the better. No, really, it's actually Brady knows his limitations

510
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Speaker 1: and that's why he's always taken to coaching. Aaron Rodgers

511
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Speaker 1: is harder to coach. Marino was harder to coach, Jeff

512
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Speaker 1: George was hard to coach. So Trey is not good

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Speaker 1: enough to be uncoachable. And I think Tray knows it.

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Speaker 1: And I think in a weird way, Shanahan can mold

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Speaker 1: him to what he wants him to be. So I

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Speaker 1: don't see all his limitations as flaws. I see them

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Speaker 1: as sort of benefits for a brilliant coach who doesn't

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Speaker 1: want a guy at living who doesn't want a guy

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Speaker 1: out there, who who believes, like I could win with

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Speaker 1: any coach. I think Trey Lance needs Kyle, and so

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Speaker 1: I think the relationship when the quarterback needs the coach,

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Speaker 1: it works. I never know, when you say privately, I

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Speaker 1: never know how behind the curtain you're bringing us because

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Speaker 1: of all your contacts in the NFL that was not sourced.

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Speaker 1: That is my belief. I think if you listen to

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Speaker 1: my show, you watch yeah. So my belief is like

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton is a great example. Drew Brees was short,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees wasn't super athletic. Drew Brees couldn't throw it

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Speaker 1: over the top his last seven years. He needed coaching. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: he was really coachable. That's why Sean Payton loved him.

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Speaker 1: Right Like Josh Allen is great, but he would drive

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton at times crazy. Mahomes drives Andy crazy at

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Speaker 1: times like they like you know, it's it's not easy,

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Speaker 1: it's constantly managing. So the downside of Lebron is he

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Speaker 1: doesn't need a lot of coaching, and so you kind

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Speaker 1: of sometimes the knock on Lebron has been in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of his team. The offense runs through Lebron.

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Speaker 1: You don't do a lot of coaching. And so for

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Speaker 1: for Frank Vogel that maybe is okay, but for Spoelstra

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Speaker 1: it drove him fucking baddy. Like like Spoilster's a coach,

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Speaker 1: He's really good coach. He likes to coach. Lebron doesn't

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Speaker 1: need a lot of coaching. So I think Shannahan's a genius,

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Speaker 1: and I think he likes to mold stuff out of

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Speaker 1: his vision. And Jimmy and Trey, I mean Jimmy's let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, it wasn't Jimmy's lack of talent. It's just

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Speaker 1: Jimmy's not as committed as Kyle is. He disappears and

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Speaker 1: he's hurt, but trays trays issues are you know, he

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Speaker 1: I wish he was a pretty er thrower. He's not.

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Speaker 1: He's not Joe Brow, he's not kinda lets't know who

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Speaker 1: he is, but I think in the end he's gonna

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Speaker 1: like Tray Tray and get to about sixty one and

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Speaker 1: a half sixty completion percentage. He's he's talented enough to win,

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Speaker 1: but not talented enough to not listen. Alright, So for value,

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Speaker 1: we like the Niners, but the Rams are probably the

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Speaker 1: Niners to me, are the better bet because you get

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Speaker 1: from value. Yeah, I think people view lance as weak

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Speaker 1: or a weakness, and I'm like, I don't. I I

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Speaker 1: also I think the Niners are one of the better bet.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is my favorite bet in the NFC. I think

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Speaker 1: they're I think nine and a half is just incredibly

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Speaker 1: like I would pound me under Dallas, pound me over

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Speaker 1: on Minnesota. But I think the Niners are the rare.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the second best roster in the League

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Speaker 1: of Buffalo, I really do. I think it's in every

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Speaker 1: unit they have a star. I mean seriously, I mean

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Speaker 1: Fred Warner, Bosa, Trent Williams, Debot Uh, Elijah Mitchell, Frankly

567
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Speaker 1: in Kyle's system is kind of a star. Like they

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Speaker 1: have stars everywhere, tight end, safeties, pass rushers, tackles. I

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Speaker 1: love their roster. I mean, I can't disagree with column

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Speaker 1: that it's it is a good value bet on the

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Speaker 1: forty niners. To me, the value has been bet out

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Speaker 1: of at this point. That's why I'm just all hesitant

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Speaker 1: on it. Where the pros have already hit it. Where

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Speaker 1: we talked about and late in the seat, like late

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Speaker 1: after the season ended, Jimmy was still the quarterback, so

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Speaker 1: people were still kind of down on the four And

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Speaker 1: I is just because we've seen the same song and

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Speaker 1: dance with Jimmy and there was no real upside to

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Speaker 1: the betting that team. Now Trey Land stepping in, they've

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Speaker 1: been bet up to this point. So to me, I

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Speaker 1: disagree in the sense that I think the best values

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Speaker 1: on the Rams because their number really has come down

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Where we talked about that news about

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford getting two shots into his elbow is throwing arm.

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Speaker 1: That moved that number right, people immediately were like me,

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Speaker 1: there's that. That's red flags. When you're hearing some again

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Speaker 1: injections in August, that's bad. So to me, that's the big,

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Speaker 1: the big pause of the Rams right now. If I

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Speaker 1: was gonna put six figures on them head into the season,

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Speaker 1: that's cut way down, way way down. So to me,

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Speaker 1: I was all in on the Rams head into it.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna get in on it with a lot

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Speaker 1: of other guys. But I think we're all kind of

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Speaker 1: all on a motive. We'll touch the Rams, will bet

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Speaker 1: the Rams. So I think Colin touched and I still

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Speaker 1: think they're the best team them in the four nineers

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Speaker 1: in the NFC with everything going on Green Band Tampa.

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Speaker 1: But there's still so many question marks. I'd rather bet

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Speaker 1: these other teams that are way down the NFC because

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Speaker 1: I just think it's wide open. There's just a lot

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Speaker 1: of question marks on all these teams, even the top

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Speaker 1: ones NFC. There's no value in the a f C

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Speaker 1: this year. We know who the six big dogs are

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Speaker 1: in the FC, the six best quarterbacks NFC. Like again,

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Speaker 1: well we talked about the Eagles. There's all these new

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Speaker 1: and upcoming quarterbacks NFC that you able to hit on

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Speaker 1: one of these guys, and that's where the value is

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Speaker 1: gonna be. Listen, Colin just said the Niners could be

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Speaker 1: the second best roster after the Bills. Bills are six

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Speaker 1: to one to win the Super Bowl right now. Uh

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Speaker 1: And according to FanDuel, the San Francisco forty Niners are

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Speaker 1: six team to one, and there are five teams that

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Speaker 1: separate them, the Bucks, Chiefs, Rams, Packers, Chargers, then Niners

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Speaker 1: at sixteen to one. So what I'll say is, as

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Speaker 1: we wrap it up here, listen to Colin, go b

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Speaker 1: the Niners sixteen to one to win the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: What I bet that? Are you asking me at six

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Speaker 1: That's how I'm ending it. That's what I'm saying. Go.

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Speaker 1: But then listen to Colin. The Niners have the second

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Speaker 1: best roster. They are one to three, four, five, six,

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Speaker 1: seven shortest odds at sixteen to one to win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That feels like a play you want to make.

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Speaker 1: Boom totally agree. Brandon a US had a great camp,

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Speaker 1: by the way, so it feels like they've got two a's.

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Speaker 1: The reports I get from like Middle calf UK has exploded.

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Speaker 1: Are you debo? Like you said? Along the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: along the defensive line. It's an elite team with elite

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Speaker 1: coaching staff and a big question at quarterback and whether

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Speaker 1: or not they can manage that becomes the question. It's

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Speaker 1: also the defining moment for Kyle Shanahan's legacy. I agree. Okay,

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