WEBVTT - What are our favorite secrets about the Vatican? 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.920 Guess what will what's that man go? So I was 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:03.720 telling my kids about how my family used to go 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.400 on really long car trips when I was young, Like 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.680 my mom and dad loved piling us up in the 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.240 car and just driving to really cool places. And occasionally 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:14.800 there was an excuse for it, right, like once they 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.480 drove us from New Jersey all the way to Quebec City, 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.239 just so my dog could drink some holy water, just 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.560 so your dog could drink. Yeah, as I'm saying this 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.880 out loud, I realized it makes less and less sense. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.320 But our dog was ill at the time, and we'd 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.080 adopted him as a pop from this Catholic family, and 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.720 even though we aren't Catholic, my mom decides she wanted 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.280 to honor his religious traditions. So we drove all the 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.519 way up to Santa and de Properate, which is this 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.840 stunning basilica in Quebec City where a lot of healing 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.440 miracles tend to happen, and we let him laugh up 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.519 some holy water there. Your mom is the best. What 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.239 a great idea, But I do have to ask did 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.199 it work? Did your dog live? Yeah? Well, we all 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.880 fell in love with Quebec, so that part worked and uh, 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:56.880 and he did live for a few more years. So 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.320 I'm not sure whether that was St Anne's doing or 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.720 whether his medication was doing the heavy lifting, but you know, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.039 it did make me curious about the miracles that have 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.160 taken place there, And when I started reading online, it 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.080 sent me down this massive Catholic rabbit hole of like 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.600 saints and pilgrimages. And after a few hours, I can't 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.560 tell you how many tabs I had opened about like 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.720 the Vatican's official cricket team and how they have received 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.080 letters from like both Jefferson Davis and Abe Lincoln. Like 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.280 I realized we had to do an episode on like 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.960 the Vatican and all the secrets hiding there. So that's 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.440 what today's episode is all about. Why don't we dig in? 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.640 Welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson and as 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.880 always I'm joined by my good friend Man Gueshot Ticketer, 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.040 and today we're talking about the secrets of the Vatican. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.240 And this is a topic that Mango and one of 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.000 our brilliant researchers, Nolan Brown, have been talking about for 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.440 a few weeks. And so after all that research, Mango, 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.840 I've got several questions for you But why don't we 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.760 start out with this one? Have you ever actually been 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.480 to the Vatican. That's a pretty easy one. I have 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.520 actually way back when I was in seventh grade, and 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.440 I was completely fascinated on my tour there. But you 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.480 know what's funny was that when I was researching today's episode, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.799 I decided to look up trip Advisor just to see 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.800 what other people thought and what their experiences were. And 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:25.760 one of the things I loved reading was all these 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.160 one star reviews of the place. So I just have 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.960 to read a few tears for it. This one's titled 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:36.360 Vending Machines. The vending machine worked very well. It's worrying 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.359 when this is the first thing you started review with. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.280 The Vatican is by far the most boring place I 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:47.160 have visible. One star. And here's another, highly recommend you 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.000 realize what you're getting into before booking a tour. It's 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.120 a lot of broken English from guides and a lot 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.480 of paintings in art one star. What these people expect? 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.000 And how did this become a hobby of ours where 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.320 we like going to different places and just eating the 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.280 one star reviews on church Advisor. I remember we were 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.160 looking at once for I think it was Yellowstone, and 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.880 one of them about Yellowstone was just a bigger central 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.640 park but with bears. But we're obviously coming from a 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.600 very controversial angle that there's plenty to see at the Vatican. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.200 But I do want to clarify for our listeners up front. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.160 I know there's a lot of history on vatty leagues 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.640 and sex scandals and whatnot, and of course there's plenty 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.320 of discussion around all of those things, but today's show 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.200 is really just about the surprising things we didn't realize 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.880 about Vatican City and the Vatican both and how it functions, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.520 but also what's hiding behind those walls. Yeah, we're not 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.120 trying to knock religion or delve into controversy. We just 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.400 want to dig into the fascinating history. All right, Well 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.440 let's start with that. Then why why do you think 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.320 it's such a fascinating place for us? Well, for me, 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.800 part of it's that the Church has played this outsized 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.400 role in history. I mean you think about the Crusades 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.840 and the early explorers and people like Mendel and Copernicus. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.680 I mean, the Catholic Church is just this constant, recurring 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.720 character in our history books. But at the same time, 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.320 there's so much that's cloaked in mystery, and as an outsider, 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.920 is just completely unnoble when it comes to the rituals 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.760 of the Church. What you mean by that, well, I 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.000 feel like you read these tiny tidbits and they seem 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:15.520 totally impossible but also maybe true. Like I read this 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.760 widely circulated story that when the Pope passes away, the 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.320 physician will tap him on the forehead three times with 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.600 a special silver hammer just to make sure he's actually dead. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.520 That does sound maybe made up, right, And that's what 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.679 I thought too. It's like too good to be true. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.160 But also I'm not a priest, I don't know, so 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.480 I looked it up on snopes and they can't tell 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.120 whether it's true either. I mean, there actually is a 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.800 tiny silver death hammer, and it sits in waiting at 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.560 the Vatican, and once the Pope passes away, it actually 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.440 does have the special use like first to chamberlain will 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.640 call out the deceased pope's name three times, which sounds 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.039 a little like the forehead thing, right, And if the 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.840 Pope doesn't respond, the hammers used to break the seal 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.120 on the Pope's ring, and only then is the room 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.440 cordoned off, and that's when they actually start ranging for 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.839 the funeral. With all that detail, I mean, I guess 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.640 it sounds like there's some truth there. Yeah, according to Snokes, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.560 there probably was a time when the hammer was used 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.920 to you know, double check that the pope was dead, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.080 back when people were accidentally buried alive. But you know, 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.520 it's a long time since then. Still, I think you 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.280 can see what I mean, right, Like, there's so much 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.599 old ceremony and tradition that isn't really public knowledge. That 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.000 makes it easy for someone like, you know, a writer 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.440 like Dan Brown right at the edge of these myths 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.920 and make all these things feel plausible. Well, and there's 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.480 so many things like that. I remember before we even 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.400 talking about this episode, reading some story about those pope 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.279 chairs with the holes in them. Did you read? Yeah, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.599 the Holy chairs? All right, So for our listeners that 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.960 don't know about these, these are these strange chairs. Was 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.599 holes at the center of the seat, and there's this, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.920 I guess, kind of a dubious origin story that accompanies them. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:49.880 So the legend goes back to whether or not there 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.840 was a female pope at one point, and supposedly there 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.440 was this very astute pope named John who turned out 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.039 to be a Jane, And the story goes that, you know, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.159 she was pregnant and giving birth during a parade, and 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:02.960 then of course because of this, she was stoned to 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.719 death when everybody realized she was a woman. And after 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.400 that happened, the church made future popes sit in a 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.720 chair with a hole in it, so, you know, so 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.160 that a physician could reach through the bottom and verify 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.560 the pope's manhood. How weird is this so outrageous? Like 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.760 why would you need a chair for that? Wait? Wait, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.200 how else would you do a physical? But you see 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.240 this story everywhere. I saw one on Scientific American about 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.880 Pope Benedict the third and they were doing a check 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.280 on him and apparently they all said, thanks be to 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.080 God after that check, you know, the verify that he 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.480 had testicles. And you know, there's some speculation from historians 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.599 that maybe the chair was used to ensure a pope 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.440 hadn't been castrated. But it's it's honestly all very murky. Yeah, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.480 and it's it's all kind of like that silver hammer, right, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.520 like these chairs actually do exist. Yeah, Well that you know, 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.040 there's plenty of tradition and history that we don't know, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:50.880 but why don't we start with some of the things 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.080 that we do. You know, after all your research, I 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:54.360 think maybe you should give us a little bit of 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.359 background on the Vatican. Yeah, yeah, I can definitely do that. Actually, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.280 let me just pull up my notes so on. Viously, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.000 the Vatican City is like the spiritual and governing center 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.320 of the Roman Catholic Church. And originally the land was 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.680 actually this Marshy area and then apparently it turned into 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.640 the CD District. But by Coligula's time in thirty s 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.160 D it had totally been gentrified, like there are nice 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.840 houses and gardens and whatnot. And today, like the area 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.760 is pretty much built around St. Peter's tomb because that's 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.200 the area where he was martyred. Vatican spans, if you 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.320 think about it, like about a hundred acres or so, 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.040 and it's considered a monarchy with about a thousand people 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:32.960 living there, and the pope is at the top of 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.280 that obviously, but something I would not have thought about before. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.960 But there's no vice pope, right, yeah, he's he's kind 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.200 of alone at the top. I mean, he delegates duties 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.000 to various people and councils, but all that stuff you 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.760 think about with the three branches of government like legislative, judicial, executive, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.600 like all of that sits with him. Plus he's got 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.040 all the spiritual things to deal with. It's a ton 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.520 of responsibility. And the funny thing is there's no turning 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.720 the job down when you're nominated, Like you can't say 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.720 no to God. Well that's true, but I have read 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.320 seven real times about all these cardinals that don't want 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.560 the job that get really stressed out thinking about it 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.600 just because of all of the international responsibility that that 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.480 goes with the job. Yeah, I mean, like you've got 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.240 to deal with the church's legal stuff and the public relations. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.160 All that falls on your shoulders and it can feel overwhelming. 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.720 But you know what's funny is the room the new 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.200 pope is scored to after he's just been elected. It 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.400 actually has a nickname. It's called the Room of Tears. Yeah, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.800 it's a big job, and most popes need some time 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.280 to compose themselves and like deal with the motion after 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.360 they've been nominated. And here's something else about that room. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.400 Because no one knows who the next pope is going 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.480 to be, the tailors actually have three papal ropes waiting. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:41.160 There's a small, medium and large. I never really thought 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:42.720 about it, but I guess I just kind of assumed 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.560 it was a one fits all kind of thing. But 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.160 you know, you're right, no one knows who's going to 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.400 be elected. There's actually this great story about Pope Fabian, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.920 who wasn't even a candidate for the pope, but a 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.719 dove landed on his shoulder during the election, and so 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.840 he got this unanimous vote to be pope. And you know, 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.839 I'll have some questions for you out elections and in 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.480 just a bit. Yeah, good, because I really want to 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.320 talk about like how they send up black smoke and 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.000 white smoke, and like when they make a decision. It's 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.760 kind of amazing. Yeah, all right, Well, well, let's back 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.720 up for just a second and talk about how Vatican 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.160 City became its own sovereign state. Obviously we know when 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.719 an impact the Roman Catholic Church had on history, but 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.839 give me a quick sense of why there are these 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.680 hundred acres carved out for it. Yeah, so those hundred 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.079 acres are a little fuzzy. I mean, there's a McDonald's 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.440 just outside the Vatican border that's actually on Vatican property, 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.680 and it's kind of blurry, actually, here. You can order 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.320 a new Tela burger and fries in this room. Yeah, 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.560 that's kind of an Italy specific thing. And they also 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.040 don't allow mixed spaghetti there. That's only a Filipino thing. Okay, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.360 But you know you're right about the Vatican size. I mean, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.640 for a while, and we're talking way back in the 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.480 eighteen hundreds, the Pope ruled over a number of papal 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.959 states in the region. But when Italy unified as a 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.600 country in the late eighteen hundreds, it seized up all 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.319 the Vatican's land. And then this really really strange thing happened, right, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.440 and it was completely new to me. Apparently Italy and 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.640 the Vatican actually had a cold war. Like I always assumed, 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.600 Italy and the Vatican had this super cozy relationship. But 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.240 for about sixty years, the Pope refused to acknowledge Italy 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.600 as a country or even going to the balcony to 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.599 bless people, especially if he thought like Italians were in 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:21.160 the square. And even more than that, the Pope refused 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.400 to leave the Vatican. Like Pope Pius the Ninth, preferred 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.640 to himself as a prisoner of the grounds. But here's 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.640 the craziest part of the story. The person who actually 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:35.120 brokered the peace is Benito Mussolini. Yeah, he delivered a 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.640 pack that recognized the Vatican as sovereign and in the deal, 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.200 Italy brought back all the land it had taken for 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.640 about ninety million dollars or about a billion dollars in 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.400 today's money. Well, and obviously Italy and and the Vatican 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.040 have a great relationship. Now. I think there's an arrangement 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.080 where something like eight percent of Italian income taxes can 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.559 be diverted to the Catholic Church if a citizen chooses them, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.560 and any criminals who were sentenced by the Vatican court, 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.760 they get moved to an Italian prison. And if a 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.760 person loses their Vatican citizenship, which ends when your job 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.680 ends there, and if they don't have a country to 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.080 go to, they become an Italian citizen by default, which 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.280 has to be the weirdest way to get a citizenship. Well. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.439 You know what's interesting though, that while that one billion 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.000 dollar amount we were talking about sounds huge, and you 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.280 think about all the artwork and all the other things 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.079 that are in the Vatican, all the treasure the Vatican 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.840 isn't exactly swimming and wealth. The annual operating budget is 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.240 about three hundred million dollars that comes in from ties, 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.400 but also museum tickets and printing services and all the 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.040 souvenirs and those kinds of things. But think about a 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.400 place like Harvard. The university's annual budget is something like 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.839 ten times that, at about three point seven billion. It 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.480 kind of makes the Vaticans proceeds, you know, feel almost 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.440 shoe string. Yeah, And while the Vatican could easily put 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.679 some of that fancy artwork up on Craigslist to get 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.920 some like quick cash, the Vatican has zero intention of 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.679 selling anything. As Cardinal Caprio, the budget office once said, 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.960 all the artwork belongs to humanity, and the Vatican books 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.880 reflect that. In their accounts. All these billions of dollars 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.400 of artwork were assigned a value of one lira, which 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.280 kind of reminds me of the Academy Awards and how 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.439 actors actually have to sign a contract when they win 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.040 an oscar, Like if they or their heirs want to 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.000 sell the trophy, the most they can sell it for 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.040 as a dollar, and they have to offer it to 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.360 the Academy first, all right, But in numbers, a dollar 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.079 was like two thousand lira which means if you wanted 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.480 a fair trade, that'd be like trading a finger of 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.719 an oscar for the Sistine Chapels, the Pietas, all the 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.800 pope tiaras, plus all the other treasures of the Vatican. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.520 It sounds like a good deal. So I've forgotten about 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.320 the Pope's tiras, by the way, So why don't we 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:44.720 talk about the Pope's fashion after little break? Domengo, who 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.199 do we have on the line today? So today I've 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.200 got a super flimsy excuse for including some old friends 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.960 on the show. Okay, when we started doing a part 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.800 time Genius, my friends from way back from elementary school, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.200 Tim and Brian Gantscorne wrote me and they were so 0:12:58.280 --> 0:12:59.840 kind about the show, and I thought it'd be fun 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.160 to them on. And then when we were doing this 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.000 show on the Vatican, I thought perfect because they were 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.120 both alter boys. But it turned out only Tim was 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.440 an ulter boy, and I hadn't messed up in my 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.800 memories of it. But welcome Tim and Brian. Thanks, thanks 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.440 an honor to be here. So Tim, because I really 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.640 don't know much about the church, I want to know, um, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.680 you know, isn't an honor to be an alter boy 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.080 and how do you get selected for that position? Well, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.920 when I was a young child, my mother decided that 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.400 I needed to be an alter boy and me to 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.440 the church and dropped me off and didn't give me 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:37.960 much choice. My older brother was awesome alter boy. I 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.000 have three brothers. I'm not sure why half of us 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.120 were selected for ball and told to do this and 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.240 half of us I didn't have to do it. I'll 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.040 have to ask my mother that we'll get her on 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.480 the line for the next quiz. All right, well, what 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.800 quiz are we playing today? Mango? We're gonna play a 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.920 game called Name that Pope. So we'll give you a 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.640 pretty long clue and you'll just have to give the 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.560 name of the pope we're talking about. We're gonna have 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.160 them competing with each other, right, So here's how we 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.200 do this. Guys. When we're competing, we have you chime in. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.559 But in order to make sure that we can understand 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.080 your chimes, we're going to give you animal noises. So 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.960 Brian you get to make the cow noise. You will 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.080 be mooing in order to chime in, and Tim you 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:23.080 will get to kaka. Okay, you guys ready, So when 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.400 you know the answer, make your noise. Here we go. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.440 Question number one. He was pope before our current pope. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.640 Also a name for a style of eggs poached with 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:40.680 hollandaise sauce. Alright, that was a move, Brian ben addict. Okay, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.880 here we go. Question number two. This pope was only 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:50.080 pope for thirty three days in His name is the same. Wow, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.560 Brian's the all star here. Well, let me finish the 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.680 question and I'll let you answer. His name is the 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:01.920 same as two beetles strung together. Who do we have? Brian? Okay? 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:06.440 All right? Question number three. This pope and sat from 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.320 four a d. Shares his name with a word you 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:14.240 might plea if you didn't do the crime. All right, 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:19.000 I believe I heard of Coca. Tim, who was it? Okay? 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.000 Two to one? Here we go. Number four. This pope 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.960 was an academic who reintroduced Europe to the Avacus. He 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.520 shares his name with a black and white Looney Tunes 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.880 cat and an actor named stallone. Oh, to tie it up, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:38.800 let's hear it, Tim, Yes, Sylvester the second. I believe right, 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.960 that's right. I'm acting like I knew that it was 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.320 on the sheet. Here I believe that would be Sylvester 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:48.920 the Second, because yeah, okay, tied up, all right, here 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.920 we go. This is the last one for the big 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.960 win number five. This pope, known as the Warrior Pope, 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.000 shares a name with Caesar, a basketball player named Irving, 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:05.240 and in our drink stand at the mall, just barely 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:10.200 Brian for the win, let's hear it. That's right, and 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.320 the Warrior Pope was Julius the Second, who also commissioned 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.560 this his team Chapelo. Okay, so, so how have our 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.360 contestants done today? Mango? It was obviously very close, but 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.120 Brian edged out Tim and uh so first places always 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.440 gets a note to your mom or boss, sing your praises, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.280 and because we don't want Tim's mailbox feeling lonely, we're 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.240 gonna send him a p plant, just like greg Or 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.440 Mendel used to grow. What a great prize. Sometimes it 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.920 almost seems better to be runner up on these quizzess. Definitely, well, guys, 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.640 congratulations and thanks so much for joining us on Part 0:16:42.680 --> 0:17:02.720 Time Genius. Thank you so much. Welcome back to Part 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.960 Time Genius now, Mango. I know we both wanted to 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.960 talk the Pope's fashion and We've also promised to talk elections. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.560 I know, we promised so much stuff. Plus I don't 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.760 think we've given enough details yet to make those one 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.760 star reviewers happy. Probably not Well, I was going to 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.320 suggest a super quick rundown of the government. Again. You 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.159 you guys have done all this research on this. So 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:22.560 here's what I want to do. I'll give you a 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.359 department and you tell me a fact that you guys 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:26.960 have pulled up. That sound good? Yeah, and I can 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.280 use my notes, right all right, yes, yeah, you're allowed to, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.920 but you have to close your eyes, all right, Okay, 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.240 the fire department, So this is easy. Like, I love 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.320 that their fire trucks kind of look like short busses. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.480 All right, what about the justice system. There's only one judge, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.000 got no like an actual judge, but he has a 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.560 lot of works. Well have I never heard about a 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.880 judge that's that's so interesting? Okay? How about how about treasury? 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.520 Well there's a coin and stamp department, but unlike the Pope, 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.800 they're not infallible. In two thousand thirteen, they issued a 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:02.720 coin that mistakenly spelled Jesus as leases, which instantly boosted 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.080 the coins value, and luckily they only sold four before 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.720 they discovered that those things are worth so much, they've 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.280 only sold four of them. Okay, you must have read 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:12.960 about this because I just thought it was interesting to 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.720 think about the space program. Yeah. So you think with 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.600 their history with early astronomers that the Church wasn't interested 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.439 in telescopes, but they've actually invested in them since the 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.960 fifteen hundreds and even today they have this advanced Vatican 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.920 telescope at Mount Graham in Arizona, which was built in 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.600 the nine nineties. Like it's really an area of interest. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.320 So the Vatican has a telescope in Arizona. Yeah, because 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.760 they're interested in the heavens. Oh, that's interesting, all right. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.400 What about the military, Yeah, so, uh, this is easy too. Well, 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.439 they've they've been using a small core of the Swiss 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.280 Guard since the fourteen hundreds when the Swiss were considered 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.600 the best mercenaries in the world. And uh, and they 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.000 don't actually do a lot of fighting, like obviously they're 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.840 they're just there for ceremonial purposes. They were this like 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.639 really flamboyant guard and they do wear plain clothes when 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.840 they've got duty to protect the pontiff, but it's highly 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.440 selective like they're only a hundred fifty and you've got 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.400 to be over five eight and Catholic and male and unmarried. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:12.320 There are lots of requirements. Yeah, alright, how about athletics. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.000 The Vatican actually has a soccer team and a cricket team. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.600 And the cricket team is really funny because they've they've 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.159 only played a few matches, but they did beat a 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.200 traveling Dutch team called the Fellowship of Fairly Odd Places. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.040 This Fellowship Fairly Odd Places. That doesn't sound like it 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.760 would be a good cricket team. Is this Is this 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.639 really a thing? I know, I want the jersey, but 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.199 that's actually the name. They play like old school cricket 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.199 in places where cricket isn't like traditionally played, so like 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.399 Iceland or the Vatican and Dora. But the Vatican actually 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.919 trounced them. Oh wow, that's pretty cool. All right. How 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.240 about transportation? Okay, so I love this one. There's a 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.159 train that comes through and there's only one station, like 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.960 it just comes in and then it backs out, and 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.760 it's mostly for freight. I mean, sometimes a dignitary will 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.200 get on it. But you know, if you're talking about 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.959