1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Guess what will what's that man go? So I was 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: telling my kids about how my family used to go 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: on really long car trips when I was young, Like 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: my mom and dad loved piling us up in the 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: car and just driving to really cool places. And occasionally 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: there was an excuse for it, right, like once they 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: drove us from New Jersey all the way to Quebec City, 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: just so my dog could drink some holy water, just 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: so your dog could drink. Yeah, as I'm saying this 10 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: out loud, I realized it makes less and less sense. 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: But our dog was ill at the time, and we'd 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: adopted him as a pop from this Catholic family, and 13 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: even though we aren't Catholic, my mom decides she wanted 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: to honor his religious traditions. So we drove all the 15 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: way up to Santa and de Properate, which is this 16 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: stunning basilica in Quebec City where a lot of healing 17 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: miracles tend to happen, and we let him laugh up 18 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: some holy water there. Your mom is the best. What 19 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: a great idea, But I do have to ask did 20 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: it work? Did your dog live? Yeah? Well, we all 21 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: fell in love with Quebec, so that part worked and uh, 22 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: and he did live for a few more years. So 23 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether that was St Anne's doing or 24 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: whether his medication was doing the heavy lifting, but you know, 25 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: it did make me curious about the miracles that have 26 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: taken place there, And when I started reading online, it 27 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: sent me down this massive Catholic rabbit hole of like 28 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: saints and pilgrimages. And after a few hours, I can't 29 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: tell you how many tabs I had opened about like 30 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: the Vatican's official cricket team and how they have received 31 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: letters from like both Jefferson Davis and Abe Lincoln. Like 32 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: I realized we had to do an episode on like 33 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: the Vatican and all the secrets hiding there. So that's 34 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: what today's episode is all about. Why don't we dig in? 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson and as 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: always I'm joined by my good friend Man Gueshot Ticketer, 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: and today we're talking about the secrets of the Vatican. 38 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: And this is a topic that Mango and one of 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: our brilliant researchers, Nolan Brown, have been talking about for 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: a few weeks. And so after all that research, Mango, 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: I've got several questions for you But why don't we 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: start out with this one? Have you ever actually been 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: to the Vatican. That's a pretty easy one. I have 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: actually way back when I was in seventh grade, and 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: I was completely fascinated on my tour there. But you 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: know what's funny was that when I was researching today's episode, 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: I decided to look up trip Advisor just to see 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: what other people thought and what their experiences were. And 49 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: one of the things I loved reading was all these 50 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: one star reviews of the place. So I just have 51 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: to read a few tears for it. This one's titled 52 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: Vending Machines. The vending machine worked very well. It's worrying 53 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: when this is the first thing you started review with. 54 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: The Vatican is by far the most boring place I 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: have visible. One star. And here's another, highly recommend you 56 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: realize what you're getting into before booking a tour. It's 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot of broken English from guides and a lot 58 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: of paintings in art one star. What these people expect? 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: And how did this become a hobby of ours where 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: we like going to different places and just eating the 61 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: one star reviews on church Advisor. I remember we were 62 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: looking at once for I think it was Yellowstone, and 63 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: one of them about Yellowstone was just a bigger central 64 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: park but with bears. But we're obviously coming from a 65 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: very controversial angle that there's plenty to see at the Vatican. 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: But I do want to clarify for our listeners up front. 67 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of history on vatty leagues 68 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: and sex scandals and whatnot, and of course there's plenty 69 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: of discussion around all of those things, but today's show 70 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: is really just about the surprising things we didn't realize 71 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: about Vatican City and the Vatican both and how it functions, 72 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: but also what's hiding behind those walls. Yeah, we're not 73 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: trying to knock religion or delve into controversy. We just 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: want to dig into the fascinating history. All right, Well 75 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: let's start with that. Then why why do you think 76 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: it's such a fascinating place for us? Well, for me, 77 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: part of it's that the Church has played this outsized 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: role in history. I mean you think about the Crusades 79 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: and the early explorers and people like Mendel and Copernicus. 80 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the Catholic Church is just this constant, recurring 81 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: character in our history books. But at the same time, 82 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: there's so much that's cloaked in mystery, and as an outsider, 83 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: is just completely unnoble when it comes to the rituals 84 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Church. What you mean by that, well, I 85 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: feel like you read these tiny tidbits and they seem 86 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: totally impossible but also maybe true. Like I read this 87 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: widely circulated story that when the Pope passes away, the 88 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: physician will tap him on the forehead three times with 89 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: a special silver hammer just to make sure he's actually dead. 90 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: That does sound maybe made up, right, And that's what 91 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: I thought too. It's like too good to be true. 92 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: But also I'm not a priest, I don't know, so 93 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: I looked it up on snopes and they can't tell 94 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: whether it's true either. I mean, there actually is a 95 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: tiny silver death hammer, and it sits in waiting at 96 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: the Vatican, and once the Pope passes away, it actually 97 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: does have the special use like first to chamberlain will 98 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: call out the deceased pope's name three times, which sounds 99 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: a little like the forehead thing, right, And if the 100 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: Pope doesn't respond, the hammers used to break the seal 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: on the Pope's ring, and only then is the room 102 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: cordoned off, and that's when they actually start ranging for 103 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: the funeral. With all that detail, I mean, I guess 104 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: it sounds like there's some truth there. Yeah, according to Snokes, 105 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: there probably was a time when the hammer was used 106 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: to you know, double check that the pope was dead, 107 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: back when people were accidentally buried alive. But you know, 108 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: it's a long time since then. Still, I think you 109 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: can see what I mean, right, Like, there's so much 110 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: old ceremony and tradition that isn't really public knowledge. That 111 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: makes it easy for someone like, you know, a writer 112 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: like Dan Brown right at the edge of these myths 113 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: and make all these things feel plausible. Well, and there's 114 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: so many things like that. I remember before we even 115 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: talking about this episode, reading some story about those pope 116 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: chairs with the holes in them. Did you read? Yeah, 117 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: the Holy chairs? All right, So for our listeners that 118 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: don't know about these, these are these strange chairs. Was 119 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: holes at the center of the seat, and there's this, 120 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: I guess, kind of a dubious origin story that accompanies them. 121 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: So the legend goes back to whether or not there 122 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: was a female pope at one point, and supposedly there 123 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: was this very astute pope named John who turned out 124 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: to be a Jane, And the story goes that, you know, 125 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: she was pregnant and giving birth during a parade, and 126 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: then of course because of this, she was stoned to 127 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: death when everybody realized she was a woman. And after 128 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: that happened, the church made future popes sit in a 129 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: chair with a hole in it, so, you know, so 130 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: that a physician could reach through the bottom and verify 131 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: the pope's manhood. How weird is this so outrageous? Like 132 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: why would you need a chair for that? Wait? Wait, 133 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: how else would you do a physical? But you see 134 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: this story everywhere. I saw one on Scientific American about 135 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: Pope Benedict the third and they were doing a check 136 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: on him and apparently they all said, thanks be to 137 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: God after that check, you know, the verify that he 138 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: had testicles. And you know, there's some speculation from historians 139 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: that maybe the chair was used to ensure a pope 140 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: hadn't been castrated. But it's it's honestly all very murky. Yeah, 141 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: and it's it's all kind of like that silver hammer, right, 142 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: like these chairs actually do exist. Yeah, Well that you know, 143 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: there's plenty of tradition and history that we don't know, 144 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: but why don't we start with some of the things 145 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: that we do. You know, after all your research, I 146 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: think maybe you should give us a little bit of 147 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: background on the Vatican. Yeah, yeah, I can definitely do that. Actually, 148 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: let me just pull up my notes so on. Viously, 149 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: the Vatican City is like the spiritual and governing center 150 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: of the Roman Catholic Church. And originally the land was 151 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: actually this Marshy area and then apparently it turned into 152 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: the CD District. But by Coligula's time in thirty s 153 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: D it had totally been gentrified, like there are nice 154 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: houses and gardens and whatnot. And today, like the area 155 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: is pretty much built around St. Peter's tomb because that's 156 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: the area where he was martyred. Vatican spans, if you 157 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: think about it, like about a hundred acres or so, 158 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: and it's considered a monarchy with about a thousand people 159 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: living there, and the pope is at the top of 160 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: that obviously, but something I would not have thought about before. 161 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: But there's no vice pope, right, yeah, he's he's kind 162 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: of alone at the top. I mean, he delegates duties 163 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: to various people and councils, but all that stuff you 164 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: think about with the three branches of government like legislative, judicial, executive, 165 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: like all of that sits with him. Plus he's got 166 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: all the spiritual things to deal with. It's a ton 167 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: of responsibility. And the funny thing is there's no turning 168 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: the job down when you're nominated, Like you can't say 169 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: no to God. Well that's true, but I have read 170 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: seven real times about all these cardinals that don't want 171 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: the job that get really stressed out thinking about it 172 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: just because of all of the international responsibility that that 173 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: goes with the job. Yeah, I mean, like you've got 174 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: to deal with the church's legal stuff and the public relations. 175 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: All that falls on your shoulders and it can feel overwhelming. 176 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is the room the new 177 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: pope is scored to after he's just been elected. It 178 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: actually has a nickname. It's called the Room of Tears. Yeah, 179 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: it's a big job, and most popes need some time 180 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: to compose themselves and like deal with the motion after 181 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: they've been nominated. And here's something else about that room. 182 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: Because no one knows who the next pope is going 183 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: to be, the tailors actually have three papal ropes waiting. 184 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: There's a small, medium and large. I never really thought 185 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: about it, but I guess I just kind of assumed 186 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: it was a one fits all kind of thing. But 187 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, you're right, no one knows who's going to 188 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: be elected. There's actually this great story about Pope Fabian, 189 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: who wasn't even a candidate for the pope, but a 190 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: dove landed on his shoulder during the election, and so 191 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: he got this unanimous vote to be pope. And you know, 192 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: I'll have some questions for you out elections and in 193 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: just a bit. Yeah, good, because I really want to 194 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: talk about like how they send up black smoke and 195 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: white smoke, and like when they make a decision. It's 196 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: kind of amazing. Yeah, all right, Well, well, let's back 197 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: up for just a second and talk about how Vatican 198 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: City became its own sovereign state. Obviously we know when 199 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: an impact the Roman Catholic Church had on history, but 200 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: give me a quick sense of why there are these 201 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: hundred acres carved out for it. Yeah, so those hundred 202 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: acres are a little fuzzy. I mean, there's a McDonald's 203 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: just outside the Vatican border that's actually on Vatican property, 204 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: and it's kind of blurry, actually, here. You can order 205 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: a new Tela burger and fries in this room. Yeah, 206 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of an Italy specific thing. And they also 207 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: don't allow mixed spaghetti there. That's only a Filipino thing. Okay, 208 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: But you know you're right about the Vatican size. I mean, 209 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: for a while, and we're talking way back in the 210 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, the Pope ruled over a number of papal 211 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: states in the region. But when Italy unified as a 212 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: country in the late eighteen hundreds, it seized up all 213 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: the Vatican's land. And then this really really strange thing happened, right, 214 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: and it was completely new to me. Apparently Italy and 215 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: the Vatican actually had a cold war. Like I always assumed, 216 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: Italy and the Vatican had this super cozy relationship. But 217 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: for about sixty years, the Pope refused to acknowledge Italy 218 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: as a country or even going to the balcony to 219 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 1: bless people, especially if he thought like Italians were in 220 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: the square. And even more than that, the Pope refused 221 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: to leave the Vatican. Like Pope Pius the Ninth, preferred 222 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: to himself as a prisoner of the grounds. But here's 223 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: the craziest part of the story. The person who actually 224 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: brokered the peace is Benito Mussolini. Yeah, he delivered a 225 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: pack that recognized the Vatican as sovereign and in the deal, 226 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: Italy brought back all the land it had taken for 227 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: about ninety million dollars or about a billion dollars in 228 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: today's money. Well, and obviously Italy and and the Vatican 229 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: have a great relationship. Now. I think there's an arrangement 230 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: where something like eight percent of Italian income taxes can 231 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: be diverted to the Catholic Church if a citizen chooses them, 232 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: and any criminals who were sentenced by the Vatican court, 233 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: they get moved to an Italian prison. And if a 234 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: person loses their Vatican citizenship, which ends when your job 235 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: ends there, and if they don't have a country to 236 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: go to, they become an Italian citizen by default, which 237 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: has to be the weirdest way to get a citizenship. Well. 238 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting though, that while that one billion 239 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: dollar amount we were talking about sounds huge, and you 240 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: think about all the artwork and all the other things 241 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: that are in the Vatican, all the treasure the Vatican 242 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: isn't exactly swimming and wealth. The annual operating budget is 243 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: about three hundred million dollars that comes in from ties, 244 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: but also museum tickets and printing services and all the 245 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: souvenirs and those kinds of things. But think about a 246 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: place like Harvard. The university's annual budget is something like 247 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: ten times that, at about three point seven billion. It 248 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: kind of makes the Vaticans proceeds, you know, feel almost 249 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: shoe string. Yeah, And while the Vatican could easily put 250 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: some of that fancy artwork up on Craigslist to get 251 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: some like quick cash, the Vatican has zero intention of 252 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: selling anything. As Cardinal Caprio, the budget office once said, 253 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: all the artwork belongs to humanity, and the Vatican books 254 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: reflect that. In their accounts. All these billions of dollars 255 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: of artwork were assigned a value of one lira, which 256 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of the Academy Awards and how 257 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: actors actually have to sign a contract when they win 258 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: an oscar, Like if they or their heirs want to 259 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: sell the trophy, the most they can sell it for 260 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: as a dollar, and they have to offer it to 261 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: the Academy first, all right, But in numbers, a dollar 262 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: was like two thousand lira which means if you wanted 263 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: a fair trade, that'd be like trading a finger of 264 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: an oscar for the Sistine Chapels, the Pietas, all the 265 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: pope tiaras, plus all the other treasures of the Vatican. 266 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: It sounds like a good deal. So I've forgotten about 267 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: the Pope's tiras, by the way, So why don't we 268 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: talk about the Pope's fashion after little break? Domengo, who 269 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: do we have on the line today? So today I've 270 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: got a super flimsy excuse for including some old friends 271 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: on the show. Okay, when we started doing a part 272 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: time Genius, my friends from way back from elementary school, 273 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: Tim and Brian Gantscorne wrote me and they were so 274 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: kind about the show, and I thought it'd be fun 275 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: to them on. And then when we were doing this 276 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: show on the Vatican, I thought perfect because they were 277 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: both alter boys. But it turned out only Tim was 278 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: an ulter boy, and I hadn't messed up in my 279 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: memories of it. But welcome Tim and Brian. Thanks, thanks 280 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: an honor to be here. So Tim, because I really 281 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: don't know much about the church, I want to know, um, 282 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, isn't an honor to be an alter boy 283 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: and how do you get selected for that position? Well, 284 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: when I was a young child, my mother decided that 285 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: I needed to be an alter boy and me to 286 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: the church and dropped me off and didn't give me 287 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: much choice. My older brother was awesome alter boy. I 288 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: have three brothers. I'm not sure why half of us 289 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: were selected for ball and told to do this and 290 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: half of us I didn't have to do it. I'll 291 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: have to ask my mother that we'll get her on 292 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: the line for the next quiz. All right, well, what 293 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: quiz are we playing today? Mango? We're gonna play a 294 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: game called Name that Pope. So we'll give you a 295 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: pretty long clue and you'll just have to give the 296 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: name of the pope we're talking about. We're gonna have 297 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: them competing with each other, right, So here's how we 298 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: do this. Guys. When we're competing, we have you chime in. 299 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: But in order to make sure that we can understand 300 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: your chimes, we're going to give you animal noises. So 301 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: Brian you get to make the cow noise. You will 302 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: be mooing in order to chime in, and Tim you 303 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: will get to kaka. Okay, you guys ready, So when 304 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: you know the answer, make your noise. Here we go. 305 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: Question number one. He was pope before our current pope. 306 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: Also a name for a style of eggs poached with 307 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: hollandaise sauce. Alright, that was a move, Brian ben addict. Okay, 308 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: here we go. Question number two. This pope was only 309 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: pope for thirty three days in His name is the same. Wow, 310 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: Brian's the all star here. Well, let me finish the 311 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: question and I'll let you answer. His name is the 312 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: same as two beetles strung together. Who do we have? Brian? Okay? 313 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: All right? Question number three. This pope and sat from 314 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: four a d. Shares his name with a word you 315 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: might plea if you didn't do the crime. All right, 316 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: I believe I heard of Coca. Tim, who was it? Okay? 317 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: Two to one? Here we go. Number four. This pope 318 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: was an academic who reintroduced Europe to the Avacus. He 319 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: shares his name with a black and white Looney Tunes 320 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: cat and an actor named stallone. Oh, to tie it up, 321 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: let's hear it, Tim, Yes, Sylvester the second. I believe right, 322 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: that's right. I'm acting like I knew that it was 323 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: on the sheet. Here I believe that would be Sylvester 324 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: the Second, because yeah, okay, tied up, all right, here 325 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: we go. This is the last one for the big 326 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: win number five. This pope, known as the Warrior Pope, 327 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: shares a name with Caesar, a basketball player named Irving, 328 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: and in our drink stand at the mall, just barely 329 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Brian for the win, let's hear it. That's right, and 330 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: the Warrior Pope was Julius the Second, who also commissioned 331 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: this his team Chapelo. Okay, so, so how have our 332 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: contestants done today? Mango? It was obviously very close, but 333 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: Brian edged out Tim and uh so first places always 334 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: gets a note to your mom or boss, sing your praises, 335 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: and because we don't want Tim's mailbox feeling lonely, we're 336 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: gonna send him a p plant, just like greg Or 337 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Mendel used to grow. What a great prize. Sometimes it 338 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: almost seems better to be runner up on these quizzess. Definitely, well, guys, 339 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: congratulations and thanks so much for joining us on Part 340 00:16:42,680 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: Time Genius. Thank you so much. Welcome back to Part 341 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Time Genius now, Mango. I know we both wanted to 342 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: talk the Pope's fashion and We've also promised to talk elections. 343 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: I know, we promised so much stuff. Plus I don't 344 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: think we've given enough details yet to make those one 345 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: star reviewers happy. Probably not Well, I was going to 346 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: suggest a super quick rundown of the government. Again. You 347 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: you guys have done all this research on this. So 348 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: here's what I want to do. I'll give you a 349 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: department and you tell me a fact that you guys 350 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: have pulled up. That sound good? Yeah, and I can 351 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: use my notes, right all right, yes, yeah, you're allowed to, 352 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: but you have to close your eyes, all right, Okay, 353 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: the fire department, So this is easy. Like, I love 354 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: that their fire trucks kind of look like short busses. 355 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: All right, what about the justice system. There's only one judge, 356 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: got no like an actual judge, but he has a 357 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: lot of works. Well have I never heard about a 358 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: judge that's that's so interesting? Okay? How about how about treasury? 359 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: Well there's a coin and stamp department, but unlike the Pope, 360 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: they're not infallible. In two thousand thirteen, they issued a 361 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: coin that mistakenly spelled Jesus as leases, which instantly boosted 362 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: the coins value, and luckily they only sold four before 363 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: they discovered that those things are worth so much, they've 364 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: only sold four of them. Okay, you must have read 365 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: about this because I just thought it was interesting to 366 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: think about the space program. Yeah. So you think with 367 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: their history with early astronomers that the Church wasn't interested 368 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: in telescopes, but they've actually invested in them since the 369 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds and even today they have this advanced Vatican 370 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: telescope at Mount Graham in Arizona, which was built in 371 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: the nine nineties. Like it's really an area of interest. 372 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: So the Vatican has a telescope in Arizona. Yeah, because 373 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: they're interested in the heavens. Oh, that's interesting, all right. 374 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: What about the military, Yeah, so, uh, this is easy too. Well, 375 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: they've they've been using a small core of the Swiss 376 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Guard since the fourteen hundreds when the Swiss were considered 377 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: the best mercenaries in the world. And uh, and they 378 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: don't actually do a lot of fighting, like obviously they're 379 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: they're just there for ceremonial purposes. They were this like 380 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: really flamboyant guard and they do wear plain clothes when 381 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: they've got duty to protect the pontiff, but it's highly 382 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: selective like they're only a hundred fifty and you've got 383 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: to be over five eight and Catholic and male and unmarried. 384 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: There are lots of requirements. Yeah, alright, how about athletics. 385 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: The Vatican actually has a soccer team and a cricket team. 386 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: And the cricket team is really funny because they've they've 387 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: only played a few matches, but they did beat a 388 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: traveling Dutch team called the Fellowship of Fairly Odd Places. 389 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: This Fellowship Fairly Odd Places. That doesn't sound like it 390 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: would be a good cricket team. Is this Is this 391 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: really a thing? I know, I want the jersey, but 392 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: that's actually the name. They play like old school cricket 393 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: in places where cricket isn't like traditionally played, so like 394 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: Iceland or the Vatican and Dora. But the Vatican actually 395 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: trounced them. Oh wow, that's pretty cool. All right. How 396 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: about transportation? Okay, so I love this one. There's a 397 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: train that comes through and there's only one station, like 398 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: it just comes in and then it backs out, and 399 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: it's mostly for freight. I mean, sometimes a dignitary will 400 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: get on it. But you know, if you're talking about 401 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: like the Pope's transportation. He's got this fleet of cars, 402 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: like amazing old fancy cars, but because Francis doesn't love 403 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: fancy things like, he mostly uses his forward focus and 404 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: that's his popemobile, and sometimes he pleads with guards to 405 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: let him take the city bus. He actually kind of 406 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: sounds like the teenager who's been embarrassed about being driven 407 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: around by his parents. But all right, so what about 408 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: the Department of Exorcisms was something I saw? Oh, actually, 409 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: I've got one more fact about transport that I want 410 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: to say. So this is top secret and off limits, 411 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: but there's one hollow wall that can be used to 412 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: help the pope fleet in case the city's ever sacked, 413 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: and it's been used historically and it runs from the 414 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: papal apartments to a castle and possibly to other places. Oh. 415 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: I thought maybe you were just trying to get around 416 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: get the Department of exorcisms here while looking for a fact. 417 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: But that's actually really interesting. Okay, but you still have 418 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: to do exorcism. Yeah, so you actually hear less about 419 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: exorcisms now, But Benedict was obsessed with them, and the 420 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: Vatican's chief exorcist, this guy, Father Gabriel m R. He 421 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: claimed to have performed twenty th cicisms between two thousand 422 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: and two thousand ten. Also, you'll never guess his favorite movie. 423 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: What's that? The Exorcist? Actually, I think I could have 424 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: guessed that once you said that. All right, I think 425 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: I've got one more. How about banking? So this one 426 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: we've known for a long time, and it's like my 427 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: favorite fact. The Vatican has the world's only a t 428 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: M that operates in Latin. That is pretty awesome. All right, 429 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: So there's certainly a lot for the pope to think about. 430 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: But there's one more thing on the pope's mind, and 431 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: that's fashion. So before Frances tried to get out of 432 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: wearing fancy duds and going casual, pope fashion was actually 433 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: kind of a thing. Yeah, it really was. And Benedict 434 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: was kind of a clothes horse. I mean, John Paul 435 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: the Second was known for wearing Doc Martin's and brown ones. 436 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember seeing that he and the Doali 437 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: Lama actually traded tips on footwear and both wore Doc 438 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: Martins for their comfort. Yeah, it's funny, like I think 439 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: of Doc Martin's is such a punk brand and nothing 440 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: to do with religion. But Benedict he wouldn't be caught 441 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: dead and does popes In the olden days they used 442 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: to wear red, but he brought the style back of 443 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: wearing a red slippers and also the cave with an 444 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: ermane for In fact, he was so fashionable that Donna 445 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: Tulla Versacci actually designed a line using him his inspiration. Well, 446 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: and I know the Church was sensitive about Benedict being 447 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: seen as as two fan. Yeah. When a reporter commented 448 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: on his red Gucci slippers, the Vatican responded by saying 449 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: that Benedict isn't concerned with labels, and here's their statement. 450 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: He said he couldn't spot a Gucci from a smoochi. 451 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I could either. Yeah, I'm not that fashionable. 452 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: Any other innovations I know Pope John Paul the Second 453 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: War rainbow vestments once, yeah, which was a little disastrous 454 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: because this artist convinced him that the rainbow represented God's 455 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: promise to Noah that there would be all this peace 456 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: after the rainstorm. But when the artist later suggested that 457 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: maybe it was a gesture of goodwill to the LGBT community, 458 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: the Vatican responded that no one has a copyright on rainbows, 459 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: and what about those ceremonial tiaras. They're they're so ornate. Yeah. Well, 460 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: the only person I could find who was truly envious 461 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: of the trs was Napoleon. Like, apparently the crown wears 462 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: about seven ounds. But when he designed one and gifted 463 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: it to a pope, and he had the thought in 464 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: the back of his mind that one day he might 465 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: like take that power, he constructed a ten pound t 466 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: r I know, which is so Napoleon. It's like a 467 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: bowling on your head. Crazy. But back cround is actually 468 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: also in the rotation, and they are often worn during 469 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: important events, like you know, during the papal coronation. All right, 470 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: well that brings us back to the election of the Pope, 471 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: as we promised we would get to. I do know, 472 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: there's a council and they deliberate forever and they decide 473 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: I think under the Sistine Chapel. But tell us a 474 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: little bit about the process. Yeah, so's it's kind of amazing. 475 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: First off, even if you bought take us to the 476 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: Sistine Chapel, like to go on a tour, everything closes 477 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: down for the election, so you're out of luck. But 478 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: that's where the Council of Cardinals meets, they do a 479 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: morning mass, and they take an oath of secrecy, and 480 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: then they vote with paper ballots and they deliberate and 481 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: it's all super quiet. Well, and that's for good reason, 482 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: because I do remember reading that King's used to have 483 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: the right to veto the decision of who became pope, 484 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: and so they try to influence the elections, and so 485 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: the secrecy is really to protect you know, the institution. Yeah, 486 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: that's right. And in fact, you can actually be excommunicated 487 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: if you leak any details. It's a little like being 488 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: on jury duty, Like you can't tweet or read the 489 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: paper or make any phone calls. And to prevent leaks, 490 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: the Vatican actually brings in porta potties. I mean there's 491 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: no I mean they're easy to access, like bathrooms one 492 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: floor down, but no one's allowed to leave. Wow. When 493 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: it can take days to do this, right, Yeah, which 494 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: is why they sent up those smoke signals. That's to 495 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: communicate to the public. When the signal is white, they're 496 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: just burning ballots, and when it's black they used to 497 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: add straw, but now they add chemicals. I also read 498 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: that there's a second furnace now too, and I didn't 499 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: really understand that, but I guess sometimes the smoke would 500 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: come out gray and people would be all confused start 501 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: asking questions, so they added a second furnace to make 502 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: sure the smoke comes out the right color. Now. Yeah, 503 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: so this is the weirdest thing to me, and that's 504 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: that at the end of this massive process, the pope 505 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: isn't even really declared pope, like his official title is. 506 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to read this Bishop of Rome, Vicar of 507 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme 508 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and 509 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of 510 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: the Vatican City, Servant and sorry, servant of the Servants 511 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: of God. You've done. He's got eight titles and none 512 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: of them are the Pope, and apparently that comes from 513 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: people calling him like the Holy Father or Santa Papa. Also, 514 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but I remember 515 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: being really tickled when I saw this March Madness style 516 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: bracket for popes Like this was back when Benedict was 517 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: being elected, and I had no idea that betting on 518 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: the pope was a thing. Like it's been a thing 519 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: since the sixteen hundreds. Apparently the Italian market just goes 520 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: crazy for it. Yeah, the Irish sights are all over 521 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: it too, I guess not. Not surprisingly, if you put 522 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: your money on Francis, you would have made twenty five 523 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: to one, Yeah, which is a lot of money. But 524 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: you know, all this talk of the pope and we 525 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: still haven't gotten into some of the crazy things hiding 526 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: in the Vatican archives. All right, well, why don't we 527 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: break for a quiz and then we'll dive right into 528 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: those juicy stories. Our guest today is the best selling 529 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: author and journalist. We got to know her pretty well 530 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: in our years at Mental philoss and because we're talking 531 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: about secrets of the Vatican today, we wanted to have 532 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: her on just because one of her many brilliant books 533 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: is titled If Nune's Ruled the World. Ten Sisters on 534 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: a Mission. Joe Piazza, welcome to part time Genius. Thanks 535 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, of course, So, Joe, Uh, I 536 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: know you started out as a Gossap columnist and I 537 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: remember you telling me some incredible stories of like baking 538 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: injuries to get into hospitals to chase down stories and 539 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: I want to know if you could share, like a 540 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: funny story or the lens you've gone to to get 541 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: a story. I did, indeed. So I was a goss 542 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: of commist for the New York Daily News back in 543 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: the days when people still read newspapers. It was a 544 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: really long time ago, and I was down in Florida 545 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: covering the MTV Video Music Awards, and it was that 546 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: the year that Signite, the music producer, got shot at 547 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: one of these parties. And I decided that I was 548 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: going to crack this story wide open, that I was. 549 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: I was going to discover who shot Signite. So I 550 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: busted into the emergency room by faking appendicitis. I made 551 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: it all the way. I made it all the way in. 552 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: And I was just young early twentysomething reporter UM trying 553 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: to make a name for myself, and busted into the 554 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: emergency room, doubled over in in fill Paine and got 555 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: so far as that they inserted and I V And 556 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: it turns out my big scoop was that Schignight shot himself. 557 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: That the safety wasn't done. Um, there wasn't some big 558 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: East coast West coast rap war thing going on. It 559 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: was It was just some some idiot guy and some 560 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: idiot girl who's been stuck in the e er with 561 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: an IVY in her arm and a bunch of doctors 562 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: asking her about her stomach king. Um. But it was great. 563 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: We did get that story and my editors. My editors 564 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 1: never sent me to a Video Music Awards over again, 565 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: which I think was a blessing in the sky. So 566 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: how did you get out of this situation? You're you're 567 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: there with the ivy in your arm, Like, what what 568 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: happens next? I ripped? I ripped to help myself, and 569 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: I snuck out of the hospital. I mean, I think that. 570 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: I think at that point I told myself that I 571 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: was in a romantic comedy, um like, and I was 572 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: like in a movie and had had this scripted, and 573 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: so I was I was accouring, I've got this, ripped 574 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: the ivy out just and just snuck out with a 575 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: hospital bracelet on, you know, and those things are hard 576 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: to get off. I think I had that thing on 577 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: for like the next two days. It was kind of 578 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: this badge of honor. But it was also pre smartphones 579 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: and pre social media, so there was really like otherwise 580 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: if this happened now, people would be tweeting from that emergency. 581 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: That's what they do when they see a celebrity in there. Um, 582 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: but no one I still get to tell this story 583 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: like word of mouth. I have no pictures. I would 584 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: have video if this happened now. So I kind of 585 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: cherished the story because it's something that only I can tell. 586 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: I have no evidence. I have no proof. I could 587 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: be making it up, like, well, we are going to 588 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: get to the romantic comedy that is your life bit. 589 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask what made you go from 590 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: being this incredible journalist to like studying and writing about nuns. Well, 591 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: I was burnt out. I was burn I blame Britney 592 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: Spears actually, um, And I tell I tried to explain 593 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: this to the nuns several times and they're like, Brittaney, 594 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: what Brittney, And let me show you this video of 595 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: her as a Catholic school girl. So it was it 596 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: was very Britney Spears big breakdown. And I was covering that, 597 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: the one where she shaved her head and started attacking 598 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: with orders with an umbrella, and I was covering that, 599 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: And I was covering the two thousand and eight election 600 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: and the Elliott Spitzer scandal all at the same time, 601 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: and I was burning out on these terrible people. I 602 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: was just exhausted by them. And so the Daily News 603 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: would pay for me to go back to school and 604 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what's what's the answer, doe to Britney Spears. 605 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, it's religious studies. So I had the 606 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: newspaper pay for me to get this masters and religious studies, 607 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: and through that I started interviewing nuns from my final thesis. 608 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: And I like to say that one nun leads to 609 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: another nun like a gateway drug. And I just I 610 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: fell into this rabbit hole of the world of nuns 611 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: and was hooked right away because their stories just hadn't 612 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: been told. I mean, the Vatican really kind of covers 613 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: up everything that the nuns do, all of their good 614 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: work there. It's it's funny. They're almost ashamed of all 615 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: of the good things that the nuns are doing. And 616 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: I spent about two years with with these Catholic nuns. 617 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: I interviewed hundreds of them, but the stories, uh that 618 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: are in the book If Nun's Ruled the World, there's 619 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: about ten of them, and they're just they're all these badass, 620 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: cool feminist women who changed their little corner of the 621 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: world or the big corner of the world in some 622 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: cases for for good, just because they wanted to do 623 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: to make the world a better place. Well, what's what's 624 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: one one of your favorite stories from the book? Um? 625 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: I think my favorite story is about the Iron Nune. 626 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: This fun blows people away when I when I talked 627 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: to them about it. Um. Sister Madonna Boodher started running 628 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: when she was in her forties and she's now in 629 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: her late eighties and she's done more than forty seven 630 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: iron Man races and they call her the Iron Nun. 631 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: She's been since the book came out. She been in 632 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: a Nike commercial, and she's written, she's written her own 633 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: her own book, and she's she's just this feisty little 634 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: octogenarian who happens to run iron Men, and she's absolutely incredible. People. 635 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: People fall madly in love with her on the race 636 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: course because when people start to lag behind, she actually 637 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: slows down. She cares less about her time that about 638 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: helping everyone else on the race course. She slows down 639 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: and sings with them and praise with them sometimes to 640 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: try to help them get through the race. Which is 641 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: the opposite of everyone else who's doing an iron man's 642 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: probably like a subset of the most self obsessed people 643 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: in the in the athletic world. And yeah, she's great. 644 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: She's the one that got me running. I was I 645 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: used to you know, smoke like a pack of cigarette today, 646 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: and she got me into running half marathons. So yeah, 647 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: she she's one of the one of the most inspiring 648 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,479 Speaker 1: sisters that's in the book. Now you've you've just had 649 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: a baby, but you've also recently written a book with 650 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: your husband and called How to Be Married? So what 651 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: what made you take on this project? I did? I 652 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: did um mostly because I had no idea how to 653 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: be married? Uh. And my way of figuring, my way 654 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: of figuring out the world is pretty much just a 655 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: report on it and you know, then report back. So 656 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: my poor husband is like, you really you have no 657 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: idea what you're doing. And I'm like, no, no clue. 658 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: So I was a travel editor at the time for Yahoo. Uh. 659 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: God God blessed them, and they were sending me all 660 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: over the world, and I figured, all right, what if 661 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: I could crowdsource marriage advice from hundreds of people as 662 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: as I'm going to these different countries, and I was 663 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: going to France and Kenya, Tanzania, India, Israel, and I 664 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: did like, I got Yahoo pretty much to foot the 665 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: bill for me traveling all over and asking for marriage advice, 666 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: and it ended up being really interesting. It came out 667 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: in April, and since then I get emails from from 668 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: when my all of the time who were like, thank you, 669 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: because everyone gives you advice about the wedding, about this 670 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: one day where you have these tiny past appetizers and 671 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: a band who looks like Mumford and sons and people 672 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: are sitting on hay Ma else and you spend a 673 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: lot of money, but no one talks about the next 674 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: fifty years about the actual marriage. And this book talks 675 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: about what happens with the actual marriage. So this was 676 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: us figuring out how to be married on the fly, 677 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: and it's going pretty well because we made a baby 678 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: about four weeks ago. I love that we pulled you 679 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: out of that to take a quiz with us. That's right, 680 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: that's right. So speaking of quizzes, what what quiz do 681 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: we have for Joe today? Mango, We're gonna play a 682 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: game called where they cell abate? Alright, so here we 683 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: go I will reach is involved. We'll reach you a name, 684 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: and you have to tell us whether the person was, 685 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: in fact sellibate. Here we go, alright. Number one, Isaac Newton, 686 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: the physicist and inventor of the cat flap. Isaac Newton 687 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: sellibate or not? I kind of want to say celibate. 688 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: You're right. Well, while he was interested in the laws 689 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,479 Speaker 1: of motion, none of them had to do with the ocean. Right, 690 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: all right, one for one for Isaac excellent. Number two 691 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: Florence Nightingale. Don't see. I feel like Clarence Nightingale really 692 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: could have could have gotten a lot of tail out there. 693 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say, but she you're not celibate. I'm 694 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: going to not celibate. That would have been what I 695 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: would have guessed as well. What's the answer, mango, she's celibate? Um? Yeah, 696 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: I mean, all these patients fell in love with her, 697 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: and she had countless marriage proposals, but but she decided 698 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: to stay true and she lived into pretty old age. 699 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: Right at wow? Okay, all right, here we go one 700 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: out of two. Number three Tesla Nicola, Tesla inventor and 701 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: the Thomas Edison rival. I'm gonna say celibate. That's right, correct, right, 702 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: maybe because of the heartbreak over the pigeon. We have 703 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: all heard the pigeon story, right, fell in love with 704 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: a pigeon. All right, Well, you know that's that's the 705 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: kind of thing you don't get over. That's very, very true. Okay. 706 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: Number four, Laura Ingalls Wilder was not celibate, absolutely right. Okay. 707 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: The last one a till of the hun sell it. 708 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: You kind of want that to be the answer, but 709 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: unfortunately it's I know, I wish full thinking, but he 710 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: was not sell of it yet. Twelve wives, twelve wives. Wow, alright, 711 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: So how is Joe done today? Mango? So Joe wh 712 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: an excellent three for five and Whish entitles her to 713 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: the big prize, which is our total admiration. Al right, congratulations, 714 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: which is not a box of condoms. But but thank 715 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: you so much for being here, Joe. If if if you're listening, 716 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: go out and get How to Be Married or her 717 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: other book, Fitness Junkie, which is on shelves now. Thanks 718 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: for having me, guys, Somyga. At the top of the show, 719 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: we talked about the Vaticans one star reviews on trip Advisor, 720 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: and you were telling me how much awesomeness is at 721 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: the Vatican, So why don't we prove it with some 722 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: of our favorite things hiding behind the Vatican doors. Well, 723 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: they're the obvious things, right, like the letter of Henry 724 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: the eighth cent with his request for an annulment, which 725 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: obviously got rejected, and the Pope's letter to excommunicate Martin Luther. 726 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: There's awesome historical stuff like that all stored there. But 727 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: like I mentioned at the top, I have no idea 728 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: what other sort of records were on file. Like there's 729 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: a note Michael Angelo sent the Pope letting him know 730 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: that the Vatican was three months behind on paying their 731 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: guards and if they didn't put me up fast enough. 732 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: There was all this talk of like the guards walking 733 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: out on their job. Or this is letter from the 734 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: Ojibway tribe and ontarry go and it's written on bark 735 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: and it comes from seven and just thanking the Pope 736 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: for his help. But the details are really sweet, like 737 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: they addressed the Pope as the great master of prayer. 738 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: He holds the place of Jesus. And while he was 739 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: set in May, the date actually says where there is 740 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: much grass in the month of the flowers like, I 741 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: kind of love that. That is pretty great. And there 742 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: are also things like the letters from Lincoln and Jefferson 743 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: Davis that you mentioned before during the Civil War, and 744 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: they were each trying to get the pope support. But 745 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: what's so strange about that is that neither of them 746 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: was Catholic. Yeah, the Pope's note back acknowledging Jefferson Davis 747 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: and the Confederacy. It was touted as this big win, 748 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: like the South treated as like this official documentation that 749 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: it was its own nation, And I guess it was 750 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: kind of obvious, but I didn't even think about the 751 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: paper trail, Like there are all sorts of documents about 752 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: the personal affairs of cardinals, both good and bad, from 753 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: the nine twenties on, and hundreds of years of annulmen papers. 754 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a ton of records to keep if 755 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: you think about this. And there's something like fifty two 756 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: miles of shelves there. So browsing is definitely prohibited. But 757 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: the so called Secret Archives where all this stuff is housed, 758 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: it it actually is open to scholars. Yeah. One funny 759 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: thing about the Secret Archives is that it's actually this 760 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: mistranslation and there's probably some fun stuff parted there. It 761 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: actually translates more is the pope's personal archives. Okay, but 762 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: I don't think just a bunch of historical records are 763 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: going to impress our trip Advisor friends, So we might 764 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: need some more off limits type of things of what 765 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: else you got for us. It's funny because I had 766 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: all these like cute things lined up, Like Renaissance painters 767 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: used to get bored with their motifs that they had 768 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: to paint, So like, I know, there's one who had 769 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: to paint all these lions, and he did this one 770 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: line facing the other ways, sort of like playful, and 771 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: so does this whole where's Waldo motif going on? So 772 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: there's an erotic fresco that you need to hear about. 773 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: All right, I think this might be the one. This 774 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: might be what we're looking for. So, you know, there's 775 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: all this talk about the Vatican having these giant stacks 776 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: and like perverse art and and uh, most of that's 777 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: completely bunker really, it's all hogwash, But this one's actually true. 778 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: So in fifteen sixteen, the painter Raphael was commissioned to 779 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: decorate a cardinal's bathroom, and the cardinal wanted this really 780 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: like lusty sex scene filled with pagan creatures, and Raphael 781 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: got really into it. It's like totally in a classical style, 782 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: but he goes crazy. It's supposedly done like a graphic novel, 783 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: and they're like naked nymphs and sadder's and like outrageous 784 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: sex scenes. There's a goddess looking in a mirror while 785 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: she's wrapped in a guy's legs. It's it's really nuts. 786 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: But over the years there's been so much outrage about 787 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: it that it's been whitewashed and the space has been 788 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: turned into a kitchen and then I think a meeting room, 789 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: but there's still portions the peak out and according to 790 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,479 Speaker 1: one visitor who saw it, there's a drawing of Pan 791 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: who apparently was well, he has this enormous member and 792 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: he's also excited. But then someone whited out his member, 793 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,959 Speaker 1: so now it looks even more like comically big because 794 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: you can't see how large it was. All Right, that 795 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: made do the trigger. I think that probably takes it 796 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: from a one star to maybe a one and a 797 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: half star for somebody's too. But before we sign off, 798 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: what do you say we have a little fact off? 799 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,760 Speaker 1: All right, here's one about the Sistine Chapel, so michael 800 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: Angelo never wanted to paint it. Apparently it was just 801 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: painted as a giant sky with stars before and the 802 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: gig didn't appeal to him. He only saw himself as 803 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: a sculptor. In fact, in his letter to friends, he 804 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: complained that he never should have taken on the assignment, 805 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: saying I'm not in the right place. I'm not a painter, 806 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,439 Speaker 1: but he is a painter. So the reporter who broke 807 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: the news about Bendicks stepping down from being Pope actually 808 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: got the scoop because she is the only person in 809 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: the room who understood his announcement. And that's because he 810 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: made it in Latin. All right, Well, the Vatican has 811 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: a strong stance against gluten free Eucharus. They'll allow it, 812 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, for people with serious gluten problems, but they 813 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: do not like it. Also, adding honey or flavoring to 814 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: the bread is severely frowned upon. So, according to the 815 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: Definitive Book of Body Language, five University of Texas College 816 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: students were arrested at the Vatican for flashing the hook'm 817 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: horns side. Apparently it's a sign for cuck holding someone. 818 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: In Italy, it's bad idea. All right, well, the Vatican 819 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: has announced this position on baptizing aliens. Did you know this. 820 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: It's good to have a stance on this. Just to 821 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: be clear, they'll happily convert extraterrestrials if they're interested in 822 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: becoming Catholics. I love that and I want to sit 823 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: in on those confessions. But before we go, I wanted 824 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: to give a special shout out to Dolan Brown for 825 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: pulling together a ton of research for this episode, and 826 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: for all of you out there on Part Time Genius Land, 827 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. Thanks again for listening. 828 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: Part Time Genius is a production of how stuff works 829 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: and wouldn't be possible without several brilliant people who do 830 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: the important things we couldn't even begin to understand. Tristan 831 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,879 Speaker 1: McNeil does the editing thing. Noel Brown made the theme 832 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 1: song and does the MIXI mixy sound thing. Jerry Rowland 833 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: does the exact producer thing. Gave Bluesier is our lead researcher, 834 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: with support from the research army including Austin Thompson, Nolan 835 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: Brown and Lucas Adams and Eve Jeff Cook gets the 836 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: show to your ears. Good job, Eves if you like 837 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: what you heard, we hope you'll subscribe. And if you 838 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: really really like what you've heard, maybe you could leave 839 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: a good review for us. Did you did you forget Jason? 840 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 1: Jason who