WEBVTT - Come Fly with Me: Airline Stowaways

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Zara Elizabeth Zarren.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, Yeah, buddy, you know it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you mean this cold that we've given each other. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's ridiculous. But either than that, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Each brought in, yeah, maybe two different streams.

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<v Speaker 2>And passing them back and forth in the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy mind virus is to go all over.

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<v Speaker 2>That would this is weird.

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<v Speaker 1>We're patient zero at zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Point zero can be patient negative one. Yes, He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how he got it. Twice I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing research for something and I found that I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty ridiculous. I wanted to tell you about it

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<v Speaker 2>because I know you like animals.

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen ninety three, the Associated Press had the story with

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<v Speaker 2>the headline A gorilla with a badge helps capture smugglers.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a gorilla bit the badge. I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>click on that. So turns out the fifty year old

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<v Speaker 2>suspect was this cat Victor Burnaal. He was the director

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<v Speaker 2>of zoos and Parks for the Mexican State of Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that that's all worked for the So in Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in an air On Monday, morning that in Miami

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<v Speaker 2>suburb of Opa Laca, right, and he's there to meet

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<v Speaker 2>with some people who promised to give him some gorillas

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<v Speaker 2>and monkeys. These a middleman, right, So while he's there,

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<v Speaker 2>he's promised he'll paid ninety two thousand dollars. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>a real gorilla and go. Yeah, And so the people

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<v Speaker 2>from Fishing Wildlife, they didn't want to put a real

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<v Speaker 2>gorilla in the cage to do their sting operation. So

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, hey, Steve, you still got that gorilla suit

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<v Speaker 2>from the office party. So they had Steve go and

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<v Speaker 2>put on the climb in the cage and they sent

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<v Speaker 2>him to Opa Laca for this sting operation because quote,

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<v Speaker 2>it's risky and dangerous to you use a real animal,

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<v Speaker 2>so we had to use a willing substitute, an agent

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<v Speaker 2>and a gorilla's outfit. So the unidentified agent flown down

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<v Speaker 2>to Opa Laca. They busted this guy because he gets

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<v Speaker 2>flown as I said, away, he's supposed to get flown

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to Mexican city of Tu Luca. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if they missed this and somehow something went wrong, had

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. Anyway, they busted the guy. He gets

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<v Speaker 2>there when it's arrested, nag out on bail. But gorilla

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<v Speaker 2>in the bas I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>What I wish I could have been there and watched.

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<v Speaker 2>That total the gorilla pulled a gun out of the seat.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you got ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh that is ridiculous. And do you want to know

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<v Speaker 1>what else is ridiculous? I was hoping you had something

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<v Speaker 1>for me stowing away. Stowing away is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>There going away.

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<v Speaker 1>This is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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<v Speaker 1>and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder for you,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you damn right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like to travel?

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<v Speaker 2>Love it? Love love it? L o v E love it?

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Heay, I love it until I've just completed some travel.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean then I'm like, I need a

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<v Speaker 1>break from this for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, you can travel yourself out of travel.

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<v Speaker 1>I can totally travel myself out of travel.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like so dumb with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like all eagerly awaiting it. I get all excited

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<v Speaker 1>and then I love it while I'm doing it, But

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<v Speaker 1>then like I get home, I'm like, Okay, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not for what?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Thank god, I'm home.

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<v Speaker 2>You you do love being home?

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<v Speaker 1>I God, I do. When was the last time you

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<v Speaker 1>were on a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>A little while ago? I couldn't tell you. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember that was the trip?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember? If you don't remember which one?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I flew to Hawaii must no see I

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<v Speaker 2>could before that. I flew to Florida. I saw tod

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<v Speaker 2>see family. I think fluid to Florida family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you have a dedicated ticket?

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<v Speaker 2>What are we doing? Yes? I shouldn't have a dedicated ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't It wasn't like somebody else's ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh I got to you just had a

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<v Speaker 1>ticket just sneak on.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I mean I I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. Well, I mean like it's real hard these days.

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<v Speaker 2>If you put me in the eighties, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>could have gotten on a plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like real hard, like so many layers.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone gets a ticket though, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, really? Yeah, who you get on a plane when you.

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<v Speaker 1>They still always there? Oh I forgot exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm over here buying pilot uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, they just stow away. As you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it used to be easier than it would be now,

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<v Speaker 1>so of course.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you could buy a plane a ticket on

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<v Speaker 2>the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sure, yeah, but like security now makes it. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>you're impossible, good luck, But it still happens. Remember Brian Robson,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy shipped.

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<v Speaker 2>Shipped him out.

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<v Speaker 1>I got more stowaways for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>So are these people who are like going into like

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<v Speaker 2>climbing on the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're going to find out. There are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of different ways to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm into this.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's begin with the og. This is the first aerial stowaway.

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<v Speaker 2>Take me back.

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<v Speaker 1>Clarence Terhoon, Clarence Clarence Trehoon, nineteen twenty eight, Little Clarence, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's nineteen yearsyears old.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of faith. They've just gotten good.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait till you hear. Okay. So he's a native son

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<v Speaker 1>of Saint Louis, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He had worked as a golf caddy. That was like

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<v Speaker 1>his you know, have golf shoes, will travel, I think

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<v Speaker 1>so idiots. He was loved. He loved stowing away on

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<v Speaker 1>trains and ships.

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<v Speaker 2>Who does it was like his favorite thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>could still do.

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<v Speaker 1>He also he loved to sneak into like big sporting

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<v Speaker 1>events with the ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>Also fun used to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a rambling sort. So it's like he's

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<v Speaker 1>in Saint Louis. He hitchhiked to San Francisco and back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't like two.

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<v Speaker 1>Years nineteen twenty six to twenty eight, he's bounces all

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<v Speaker 1>over the country working as a caddy here there like

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<v Speaker 1>to make cash. So like he gets somewhere and needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be that bag for him.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta stay clean and smell good though, I guess well.

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<v Speaker 1>So on one of his trips, he gets out to

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco, sneaks onto a government ship and that takes

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<v Speaker 1>him to Nome, Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a lot of golfing up there.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he made it back. He made it there

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<v Speaker 1>and back.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually don't know golf.

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<v Speaker 1>But then tragedy struck. His parents suffered a grizzly fate.

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<v Speaker 1>One I'm not going to get No, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been rad if that. No, this is back in Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 2>Not assion the time it was, it was, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad, it was very violent. That's in July. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>laughing at it.

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<v Speaker 2>That was in July.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought Sarah that we were respectful anyway. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So July of twenty his world comes crashing down. But

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<v Speaker 1>then October if that same year, opportunity arose. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was the start of commercial transatlantic flights.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wondering.

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<v Speaker 1>And it kicked off with the airship graf Zeppelin oh

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<v Speaker 1>flying across the Atlantic Ocean from Germany to the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>The blim the huh how long did that take.

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<v Speaker 1>For us real stow away forever? Like Clarence, Right, this

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<v Speaker 1>is an opportunity. This is this is I'm up my

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<v Speaker 1>gate in the sky, right, this is a whole new world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so rich, idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>The craft Zeppelin is in Lakehurst, New Jersey, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>the temptation is just too much. So he makes a

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<v Speaker 1>bet with his brother in law that he can become

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<v Speaker 1>the first stowaway in an aircraft. He's like, look, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got trains down boats. Dang, I went up to the

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<v Speaker 1>Arctic Circle and so.

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<v Speaker 2>A pioneer of a new game.

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<v Speaker 1>His brother in law, George Hall said, quote, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like him. He's been doing things like that for two years.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the biggest job he ever undertook.

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<v Speaker 2>This family.

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<v Speaker 1>He did so the graft Zeppelin came from Germany and

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<v Speaker 1>to Germany, it had to return of course. Yes, Clarence

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<v Speaker 1>has a plan, right. He sneaks onto the airship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and while it's in the hangar, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wondering when and how he did this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then he pokes around and he finds the mail compartment. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that he just cut tucked himself in there,

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<v Speaker 1>sat and waited.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And in no time he's going to be in Germany, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how long this takes, yeah, when the

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<v Speaker 1>next years whatever. So he figured that, Okay, I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to Germany and then I'll bum around there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like two weeks at least to make that flight.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I looked it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I did. It took the graf Zeppelin one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eleven hours and forty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Minutes eleven hours, okay, so it's like four and.

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<v Speaker 1>A days, four and a half days. So he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna tuck in with the mail bags. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>They say, don't go longer in three days without water.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really pushing it, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't believe he brought anything with him. Yeah, so he's like, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to go to Germany and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to do some German golf caddies there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they do golf.

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<v Speaker 1>They must must assume.

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<v Speaker 4>You.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get a job so I'll have some more adventures,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah. So but then he gets discovered.

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<v Speaker 2>In the hangar in the air to the air though

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<v Speaker 2>he makes it into.

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<v Speaker 1>The air, but they and they don't make him walk

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<v Speaker 1>the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't make him turn around, you like.

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<v Speaker 1>No, They're like, we can't turn the ship around. Like

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<v Speaker 1>they put them to work work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the drinks, you know, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain made him do the dishes and like peel potatoes

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<v Speaker 1>like in the traditional yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also just had to like basically be a gopher,

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<v Speaker 1>like go get me this, and he would.

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<v Speaker 2>Just lowest person on the order.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no steerage to put him because like Zeppelin's

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<v Speaker 1>like you're saying this high class, that's trap expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only for like the very luxurious find China and

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<v Speaker 2>you know whatever bone China, whatever you'd expect have then

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<v Speaker 2>very nice things.

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<v Speaker 1>On this particular one, there were ten passenger cabins and

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<v Speaker 1>each had ten two bunk beds, which doesn't sound particularly

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<v Speaker 1>luxurious in each cabin, but they're like sleeper cars and

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<v Speaker 1>trail converted.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a long history of making that luxury.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a day to night look for the sofa

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<v Speaker 1>to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>I got the Orient Express. You would have bunk beds

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<v Speaker 2>in your cabinet, and that's like definitely luxury, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll give it to you. But I'm sure there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of velvet up in this place, velveteen

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<v Speaker 1>son of So let's talk about how hair brained this

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<v Speaker 1>plan was from the start. So, as we learned from

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<v Speaker 1>lawn Chair Larry, it gets cold up there quickly, and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't heat places like.

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<v Speaker 2>The mail compared why would they need to.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, Clarence is really lucky he got caught. He

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<v Speaker 1>frozen to death, and so there he is working away

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<v Speaker 1>with the crew. Zeppelin lands in Weimar, Germany. Clarence he

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<v Speaker 1>gets arrested right on the spot, foot on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>The They didn't even let him lay down and kiss

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<v Speaker 1>the ground, like oh that I mean? This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is his first flight. This is most people's first flight.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a couple cops, this guy may be a

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<v Speaker 2>bit screwy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, so he just they haul him away.

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<v Speaker 2>But like do you think he was cool with them?

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<v Speaker 2>Like when he's getting on, like thanks for the.

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<v Speaker 1>Flight, that was great, he was, Well, here's like back then,

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<v Speaker 1>when you got into Germany without a passport, you could

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<v Speaker 1>get a fine anywhere between twenty marks and ten thousand marks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna guess he had zero marks totally. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans they got in touch with the American Consulate

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<v Speaker 1>to quote hasten an amicable settlement. And so the American

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<v Speaker 1>Consulate they like they jump into action, like we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>rustle up a passport for little dude. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times wrote, quote a curly headed adventurer

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen years old attained to prominence such as he had

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<v Speaker 1>never known yesterday by becoming the first stowaway on a

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<v Speaker 1>transatlantic airliner. He is Clarence Terrehoon, golf caddie, who had

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<v Speaker 1>hitchhiked his way here from his home in Saint Louis

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<v Speaker 1>because he wanted to quote see the world. The zeppelin

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<v Speaker 1>stowaway Clarence Terrahoon is certainly the most talked about person

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<v Speaker 1>in friedrich Schaffen today. Quite a number of well known

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<v Speaker 1>persons have indicated to the local police their readiness to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of the young man until his people should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Heard from in their homes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's another paper wrote quote, the daring of the

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<v Speaker 1>boy's feet thrilled the Germans and gave them a good chuckleman. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess the captain was like, oh, you rascal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like everybody loved him.

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<v Speaker 2>So Wheneber They loved that baron he's going around. They

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<v Speaker 2>love a good wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Person, and so it makes sense Clarence becomes a folk hero.

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<v Speaker 4>There.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see they love him, The Americans love him.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone wants a piece of him. Clad he gets dinner invitations,

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<v Speaker 1>job offers. There's in fact, one of the job offers

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<v Speaker 1>came in before he even landed and got arrested because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone finds out, oh there's this stowaway. Store was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll hire you if you want to work in our store,

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<v Speaker 1>right like a department store, the like, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>position open in the shoot department.

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<v Speaker 2>We could use them free advertising.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then fourteen different women offered their own hands

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<v Speaker 1>in marriage, their own hands. Yeah, they're just I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>times were tough. I hear you're invited to dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the depression gets caught kicked off. Ye, the stock

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<v Speaker 2>market crashed, but I know things are going early for

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<v Speaker 2>some people to I don't know, but yeah, wow fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot of offers. That's a lot of offers publicly,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like just coming forward, Can I join the list?

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<v Speaker 1>Clarence didn't stick around Germany. No, he was put on

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<v Speaker 1>a French ship back to the States. It was not

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<v Speaker 1>a bad adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, great one. I'm jealous.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years later he popped up in an Associated Press piece. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>the headline his a vanished fame nineteen thirty. So Clarence

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<v Speaker 1>Terrahoon Zeppelin stow away unnoticed at air Exposition. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like dateline Saint Louis. This is so, it's so cold blooded.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing but vanished quote fame for Clarence Terrehoon. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty eight, his name was well known for he

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<v Speaker 1>became the world's first air stowaway when the graf Zeppelin

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<v Speaker 1>pointed at silvered bulk toward Europe. Today, he labored at

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<v Speaker 1>the International Aircraft Exposition, twirling the crank of a miniograph

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<v Speaker 1>machine to feed out stories of another file of quote

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<v Speaker 1>paper heroes. Great and near great, stalked by the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one year old youth without seeing. No one knew him,

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<v Speaker 1>no one cared. His temporary work drawing to a close,

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<v Speaker 1>is fleeting, fame forgotten? He petitioned an exposition manager for

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<v Speaker 1>a recommendation, just a note, he said, tell them I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a good boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Like, why why I publish that?

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<v Speaker 1>Why write this?

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<v Speaker 2>That is so fing?

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's a nobody, Yeah, begging for job.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know how bad of nobody here that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Anyway, did hes.

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<v Speaker 2>Piss off the writer? I mean, like two years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>Dania consult the writer, and the writer waited until I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know three years ago. The writer's girlfriend was like, will

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<v Speaker 1>you be so that takes this? So we're in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty and all the women just like everyone wants this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Two years after this, thirty two, Sure he's in the

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<v Speaker 1>papers again.

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<v Speaker 2>Every two years, they're like, we gotta check in on

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<v Speaker 2>Turhoo headline.

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<v Speaker 1>A round World hitchhiker stopped in China gives up.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch China, get out of here, Turhoo.

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<v Speaker 1>Clarence Turhoon, who stowed away on graf Zeppelin, returns to

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the sub editor wild turhoo. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Clarence Terhun graf Zeppelin stow away, great thirties voice, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, thank you so much. Who left Saint Louis

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<v Speaker 1>March ninth on a proposed quote hitchhiking trip around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Returned home Sunday after being forced to abandon the journey

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<v Speaker 1>because of unsettled conditions in China. Oh read yes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he calls himself read at this.

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<v Speaker 2>Point, Oh he's read now read tun said.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he said he reached Shank And he reached Shanghai

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<v Speaker 1>April eleventh, after stowing away aboard the Empress of Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>but was prevented by conditions from going on to Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>He stowed away on a dollar Liner bound for the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and got a job in the engine room.

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<v Speaker 1>Following his arrival in San Francisco, Tarhun rode freight trains

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<v Speaker 1>to Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 2>Anti shanghaied himself Anti fur.

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<v Speaker 1>He's San Francisco, exactly one of the few San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>he was allergic to buying tickets apparently right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it seems. At some point he studied under these really

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<v Speaker 1>incredible aviators and became involved in the industry. Somehow I

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<v Speaker 1>found an obituary for this UH aviation engineer who was

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<v Speaker 1>also like a great pilot and instructor, and they listed

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<v Speaker 1>read Turrhoon or one of his Yeah, So the only

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<v Speaker 1>other mention I could find from him was his obituary

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty seven. Clarence Terrehoon, semi Coolin was zeppelin stowaway.

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<v Speaker 1>Clarence red Terrehouon, a local resident who gained international attention

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty eight when he crossed the Atlantic Ocean

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<v Speaker 1>as a stowaway on the Graf Zeppelin. Died Sunday at

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri Baptist Hospital after a heart attack. He was seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>At mister Terhune's request, no funeral arrangements will be made.

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<v Speaker 1>The body will be cremated. Mister Terrehoon of Shrewsbury was

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<v Speaker 1>the first aerial stowaway to Europe to make his adventure possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Terrehoun, who was nineteen at the time, hid among

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<v Speaker 1>the mail bags of the Zeppelin a dirigible. Upon his

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<v Speaker 1>return to the United States, mister Terrehoon was hailed as

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<v Speaker 1>a great adventurer. Surviving or his wife Catherine, a daughter

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<v Speaker 1>Janet Seacats of San Dimas, California. San Diemus Hied football rules,

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<v Speaker 1>a son, Don Lee Terrehoon of Manhattan, Kansas, seven grandchildren

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<v Speaker 1>and two great grant children. So it sounds like he

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<v Speaker 1>had a pretty marvelous true adventurer. You want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>about another adventure. Let's take a break and we get back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you all about him, deal zaren. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>just had Clarence read love him.

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<v Speaker 2>I may you name a car read he should?

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<v Speaker 1>You should? Let's do it. I got another one for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Liam Corcoran na Liam co he is an adventurer. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve, Liam was eleven years old and he was

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<v Speaker 1>out with his mom shopping and somehow he like slipped

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<v Speaker 1>away from her over it and he made his way

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<v Speaker 1>to the airport in Manchester, England, like a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>miles away.

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<v Speaker 2>He got on a bus the heck of an adventurous queen.

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<v Speaker 1>Wandered around Terminal one and then quote tailgated another family

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<v Speaker 1>as they went through security.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, just stayed with it, right on the stuck right

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<v Speaker 2>with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>That's smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So an airport employee told the Daily Mail, quote

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<v Speaker 1>often one parent has the boarding card for all their children,

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<v Speaker 1>so the security guard should count the cards and the children,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously they failed to notice there was one extra.

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<v Speaker 1>So he gets through security and then just headed for

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<v Speaker 1>the first gate that he could find, and he's actually

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<v Speaker 1>like looking for restrooms, but he figures like whatever, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get on a plane, and so like with security, he

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 1>blended in with other families traveling with kids, made his

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<v Speaker 1>way onto a flight to Roam. Onto a flight, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>the airline jet too. They didn't do head counts or

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.639
<v Speaker 1>like secondary boarding pass checks. So Liam just takes a

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<v Speaker 1>seat and buckles up his first time ever on a plane. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty soon, like the other passengers are noticing that there's

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<v Speaker 1>this boy all alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, it also looking like he's never done this before.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And by this time it's too late to like

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<v Speaker 1>abort the flight and head back to Manchester, So they

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<v Speaker 1>continued on to Roam and police intercepted him, interviewed him

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<v Speaker 1>on the plane, they kept him on the craft and

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<v Speaker 1>he had to stay right there until the flight went

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<v Speaker 1>back to Manchester two hours later.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, yeah, you get an air marshall now.

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<v Speaker 1>But apparently he's like unfazed. He's just chatting enough cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget this is July twenty twelve, right around the

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:37.399
<v Speaker 1>London Olympics, and so this is like a major security lender.

0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And so like the transport secretaries freaking out about it

0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 1>jet to the company. They suspended three employees who just

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<v Speaker 1>like waved him through, and then they started initiating head

0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.640
<v Speaker 1>counts on all flights. Liam was like told the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper that it was super easy to pull it off.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, it was quote easier than doing my homework.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have anything on me and no one asked

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<v Speaker 1>me for anything, he said. A neighbor said, I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be a bit of a hero among

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<v Speaker 1>his friends for managing it. I think, And then a

0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.720
<v Speaker 1>relative of his added, Liam's an attention seeker. He runs

0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 1>away constantly, but he's never done anything like this. The

0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 1>little monster went off to Rome.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is twenty twelve, you said twenty twelve, So

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen years later, she's twenty four years now. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hear from Liam again soon. I bet I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you do a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, like you may not be busted, but.

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<v Speaker 1>So here, well, here I can I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about being able to follow a story all the way

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.760
<v Speaker 1>through with that's one child on an airline that what

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<v Speaker 1>about two?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's hop it, let's happen it Ireland. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Dublin Iron Kids, August nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty five, eighty five, What a time Dublin eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Live Aid Fever as local boy Bob Geldoff raises millions

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<v Speaker 1>of pounds for famine relief in Ethiopia?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you lie laugh the worst? I'm over here laughing,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like and and I'm still laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>We were there and I thought we were the sensitive

0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:06.119
<v Speaker 1>types here.

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<v Speaker 2>I normally am until you get me on these hooks.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's these two boys. Yes, there's ten year old

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Burne and thirteen year old Noel Murray.

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<v Speaker 2>Noel Murray and Keith.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith and knowle little Keith, bigger nol Keith. And so

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<v Speaker 1>like any boys of this age in nineteen eighty five,

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.439
<v Speaker 1>they loved the show the eighteen and they loved it

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.320
<v Speaker 1>when a plan came together. And they also these two

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<v Speaker 1>loved to get up to no good little chancers, as

0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 1>they'd say, they shoplifted, they robbed people.

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<v Speaker 2>They lived in the Murdock would be so impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you have no idea. They lived in

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<v Speaker 1>a rough area and they were just like these little

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<v Speaker 1>adorable hoodlums. She's so cut.

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<v Speaker 2>You think they had nicknames from the eighteen like one

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<v Speaker 2>called themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Hannibal with ba barocas of course.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they call themselves be A Barca, Murdoch.

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<v Speaker 1>Face and Murdoch some of them were. Yeah, and so

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:08.760
<v Speaker 1>they they talked a lot about bunking. That's basically riding

0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 1>public transportation without paying.

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh like free riding bunking.

0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they would they would take buses and trains

0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>all over Ireland together without their parents knowing, just getting

0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 1>up to no good. So the parents would sometimes call

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the cops, the guardy and maybe the GUARDI would come

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.760
<v Speaker 1>and pick them up. They'd be dragged back home, only

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<v Speaker 1>to do it again the next week.

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 2>So they're bring them around the pub.

0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.720
<v Speaker 1>They'd go to Donegal. They went to Galway from corner

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.120
<v Speaker 1>to corners. Yeah, they're all over the place. And then

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 1>one day they went a little further where. Okay, so

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Keith's mom tells them to go down to the shop

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:46.240
<v Speaker 1>and pick up a bag of potatoes. A bag of

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.399
<v Speaker 1>potatoes for dinner. She needed potatoes, which, let's be honest,

0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:50.680
<v Speaker 1>we all need potatoes.

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Who does it now more than ever?

0:23:52.600 --> 0:24:00.119
<v Speaker 1>We need potatoes sweet and kind whatever? Sweet? I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's run with it, so Keith he obliges. On his

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>way back from the store, he runs in a knoll.

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Want to hang out? Oh yeah, sure, let's do this,

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.879
<v Speaker 1>And so Keith he takes the potatoes home, drops him

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 1>off spuds as he keeps calling, drops them off.

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeh, the spuds.

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 1>His mom says these fateful words. Don't go far. Your

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:19.920
<v Speaker 1>dinner's nearly ready.

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, so we're talking like fifteen twenty minutes.

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're already out the door because she yells us.

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:27.119
<v Speaker 1>And the first thing they did was go to the

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 1>nearby train station, the Dart station, and they hopped on

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.159
<v Speaker 1>a train. Didn't pay, of course. And from there they

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 1>went to dune Leary, like on the outskirts of done.

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 1>So they walk around a bit, they see that the

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>ferry is in port, and so they jump on the ferry.

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>They've done that a couple times before. Okay, didn't pay, ever,

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>so like whatever they you know, your ma is slaving.

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Over your dinner, the hot potatoes.

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>But like, why not so they they duck into the

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 1>duty free shop. They steal a bunch of cigarettes on

0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the on the ferry, they don't smoke. This is just figure,

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:06.200
<v Speaker 1>just what I'm thinking, perhaps, And so there they are

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 1>cruising the Irish seat not a care in the world.

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Ten and thirteen, the ferry docked in Wales. Wow, and the.

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:20.879
<v Speaker 2>Boys they crossed the Irish Channel or the Irish.

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>The boys disembark with everybody else and then there's like, oh,

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>we're at the train station and you know, we could

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.639
<v Speaker 1>just take a train to London. So off they go.

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Why not? Why not? Your mom slave it over your din? Okay,

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>So they get on.

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 2>The train train from Whales to London.

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh, they go to London. Somehow they made friends on

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the train with this guy and his girlfriend, and these

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.680
<v Speaker 1>two weirdos let the boys crash at their house overnight.

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what load of bull stories the

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.160
<v Speaker 1>boys fed him, but it must have been amazing.

0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 2>But this is very eighties. I mean, like used to

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>make whole TV movies about doing this, sleeping at a

0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 2>bus station and common adults into like taking him in.

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's probably where this came from. So there they

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>are in London, they've obviously missed dinner and bedtime breakfast

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the next day, but whatever, they're in the big city.

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 1>It's so exciting for them. London ten and thirteen. Dublin

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.919
<v Speaker 1>is this world capital, right, but London is another London

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>and London in nineteen eighty five. So in the morning,

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the boys make their way to Heathrow and because they're

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 1>not too far from it where they're saying and like back.

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Home, pop over to heat.

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Well back home in Dublin, they would go to the

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:37.919
<v Speaker 1>airport as a great place to go steal food.

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because you could like.

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Slip into restaurants and take plates, or they go through

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:42.919
<v Speaker 1>the buffet.

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Line and then before security. It was a great place

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>because so much action's happening. People are leaving, no one's stay.

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>It's good, good stuff. So, as Noel says in the documentary,

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that's called nothing to declare, which is great, by the way. Yeah,

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>he said, quote, we're too little.

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>The airport know who you are.

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>The documentary he's constantly apologizing for cursing and it's so sweet. Anyway,

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>So at the airport they figured out they'd be able

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to jump on a flight back to Dublin. No one's

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the wiser, Bob's your uncle, you know whatever, just get

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>up there. Now. They didn't have the security that we

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 1>have now, but they did have security eighty five Heathrow.

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that the bridge would have some because of

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>all the issues with the IRA.

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>At that point, precisely. So the boys they had to

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to run that gauntlet. So they did,

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>like Liam and Manchester, and they just trailed along with

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>another family and as Noel tells it, quote somebody just

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>fell for that and we kind of just held hands,

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>like two little innocent brothers. So they're just hamming it up.

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.159
<v Speaker 1>So they make it through security. Now, okay, find a

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 1>flight to Dublin. So the boys are asking people at

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:51.959
<v Speaker 1>each gate where the planes are going, and it's like

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 1>all very overwhelming. But then a man tells them that

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.879
<v Speaker 1>a particular flight is going to America, New York City.

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>The boys look each other the A team like maybe

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>we can meet be a barcas. So the next thing

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're on the plane. They're like, let's just

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>go to New York City.

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>To New York.

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Neither hauld it ever been on a plane before. Every time, luckily,

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the flight was nowhere near full, like a lot of

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>empty seats. So the boys they sit next to each

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 1>other in an empty rope. They buckle up and they

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 1>just acted like they knew.

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 2>The first time I ever flew, I was thirteen. I

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 2>flew by myself. I wasn't terrified, but I wasn't so chilly.

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>These guys, these are some little street tofts.

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 2>This is amazing.

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:35.760
<v Speaker 1>It was all very exciting. The noise you got, the

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>rumble of the engines taken off into the wild blue yonder.

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>And it's an It's an Air India flight.

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>So the flight attendants are in Sorry's with like Bindy's.

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>They serve curry, and the boys hadn't really had it,

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and they thought it was way too spicy.

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>They're like, what, yeahm uses many spices.

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm thinking. So they watched a movie. They watched

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>a classic film, one of my fas a view to

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a kill Bond double O seven Duran Duran theme song, Christopher,

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>It's perfection.

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>They took little snoozes. Uh, let's watch it. Maybe I'll

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>do an episode where I just recount exactly next thing

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>they know, They're in New York's JFK.

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding this? Is amazing.

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>No plans, just vibes. So they get off the plane.

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>They're headed through the airport. They get asked for their

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>passports and they say, oh, mam has them and she's

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>just behind right. So the customs agent tells me, wait

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>there and let's let your mom catch up with you.

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>And so they do the whole like blink blink yes, sir,

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>uh oh, we have adorable accents.

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 2>And then the.

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Guy when he's not looking, they just slip through. So

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>they hang around the airport for a couple hours and

0:29:55.680 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>they're like sitting in those massage chairs, just people watching.

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 2>In they'd walk outside anyone.

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not a bit. Uh yeah. But so they see

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>a cop and they go up to the cop and

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>they're like, excuse me, how do you get to the

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>city center?

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 2>The city center? City center because that's what they call it,

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Dublin city Center.

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Where's the center? And the cop is like, well, where's

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>your parents? And as the cop describes it, quote, I said,

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>where are your parents? And a little guy, well he

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>was the mouth, he was the rig leader. He says me, mo,

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>me ma, in the center of town. We're going to meet.

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, you're meeting your parents? In the center of town. Keith,

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that's the little one by the way. So Keith, he

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.479
<v Speaker 1>tried to clarify with the cop. No, mem isn't in town.

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 1>We're here all on our own, like this little ding

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Dong tells. So the cop, Officer White, he called his

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>supervisor and he said, quote, as soon as I heard

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 1>the brogue, I said, you know, these kids didn't just

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>come from the Bronx. They thought they fooled people on

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the airline, that they could do the same with Officer White,

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and I, well, it turned out not to be the case, right,

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>So before too long, the boys are in the back

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>of a New York police squad car headed for a

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>precinct office. When they got there, the cops questioned them,

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out like who who are these boys,

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>where they come from, where are they going? You know,

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>who's with them? If anybody The boys they're cheeky the

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>whole time, like they don't give straight answers. What they

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 1>don't take this seriously at all. They did give a

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>solid account of their flight from London to New York.

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>So the precinct captain, he made calls to London to

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>see if they were missing. Two wise cracking street tufts

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>cute as buttons is the description with able bro Zarin

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 1>close you app Oh, yes, I want you to picture.

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>You are a police officer in New York City, name

0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Joseph Stabler. Your son Elliott just graduated from the academy

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and is following in your footsteps, hopefully not too much,

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>because you play a little fast and loose. You've been

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 1>on desk duty for three weeks after roughing up a witness,

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>so on this day you find yourself passing the time

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>going through old casepies. But then those little kids came in.

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh they're hilarious. You love them. You know an Irish

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>accent a mile away, and those kids got them. You

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>tried to tell the captain that how even though they

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>were on a flight from London, those kids are Irish

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>for sure, got the map of Ireland across their faces.

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Your grand used to say, the Captain of George you're

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 1>a loose cannon Stabler, a real cowboy. A patrol officer

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>brought some soda and chips for the kids, and now

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>all of you are kicked back and yucking it up.

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Phones go unanswered, papers occasionally slide from the desks. Who

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>cares they've asked to see any real American money you

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 1>have in your wallets. They lose it at the sight

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>of ones and fives. You tell them they can keep them,

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>and the boys are ecstatic. Then the little one, Keith, asks,

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>if that's a real gun on your belt? Is you

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>tell him? Can I hold it? He asks, I've seen

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Hill Street blues on the telly. You and the rest

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of the guys laugh, Sure, you can hold the gun.

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 1>You take the bullets out and hand it over to him.

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Keith immediately turns and fires the gun of Noel. Whoa.

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Everybody shouts and you grab the gun back. You can't

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>do that, you tell him, even if there are no

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 1>bullets in there. Just then the Captain comes out of

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>his office. I just got off the phone with Dublin,

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 1>he says, and you boys are in a lot of

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>trouble and scene so back in Dublin.

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Immediately turns and squeezes. But I believe it probably the same.

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>So back in Dublin the Guardian they go to tell

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Keith's mom that he's been located and he's in New

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>York and she says, York Street, no New York, America.

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>So she's trying to process back in America. The boys

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>they get brought back to the airport, specifically to Air

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>India security.

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Who has to pay for the tickets.

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Now, Well, what's looming in the background here is that

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>just two months prior, and Air India flight had exploded

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>off the coast of Ireland as it made its way

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>from Montreal to Delhi via London. Oh All, three hundred

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>and twenty nine people on board were killed in the bombing.

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like tensions are high, especially with Air India, sure,

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>especially coming out of London. So the Air India folks

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>they put the boys up in this luxury hotel suite

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 1>with around the clock security while they straighten things out.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>They tried to cuff the boys at first, but their hands,

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 1>their wrists were too small, so they just gave up.

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.839
<v Speaker 1>The boys though, they're loving it. They have McDonald's delivered in,

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>they're watching TV, they're lounging around.

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>It was amazing for them.

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 1>My favorite part though, is that they had stolen jewelry

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>from the duty free shop at heath Grows, Oh nice,

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and they wound up selling it to the security guards.

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>So they befriend the security guards. They're selling them, I'm

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 1>sure the cigarettes too. The security guard to take them

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>on a sight seeing trip around New York, like they

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>give them the iHeart New York shirts and they see

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>like the Brooklyn Bridge, the Empire State Building, they buy souvenirs,

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>they get back and then they're like the interrogation really begins,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and so they're asked like, how exactly did you do this.

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad they got that little experience. Here's let's get

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 2>you some ice cream in Central Park.

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And besides, I bought some I bought the boys asked

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the security guys like, are you going to give this

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>jewelry to your wives? And they tell the boys no,

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give them to a hooker. And the

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>boys are like.

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 2>What the boys exactly my girlfriend.

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:40.760
<v Speaker 1>It's just like so nuts. Anyway, so they realized, now, okay,

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>this is a big deal. When the interrogations kind of

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:47.399
<v Speaker 1>finally begin, and so they explain every last detail. Keith

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 1>tells it quote, they didn't care that we were two

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>young kids having the cracker messing about. They were seeing

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the serious side of this. So then we kind of

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>started realizing, Okay, this is serious. We better help these people.

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>So the boys they had to go back to the

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>airport and walk everyone through what they'd done, step by step,

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>every last yeah. And so when all was said and done,

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.879
<v Speaker 1>everyone realized these aren't terrorists, these are just rascals. Yeah.

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 1>So they put them on an aer Lingus plane home, Yeah,

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>New York to Shannon to Dublin. And the boys are like,

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, we're in so much trouble. And so

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>their parents are going to be mad. They're like, okay,

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>well we stop in Shannon when we let's let's jump

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>off the plane and leg it and Shannon. But they

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>just they were so knocked out by the whole thing

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>they fell asleep and when they woke up, they were

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>in Dublin. Everyone else had gotten off the planes and

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>they're all blank blank and they're wearing their iHeart New

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>York shirts when they get off the plane. It's just hysteric.

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 1>But what wasn't funny is that thirteen year old nol

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>he had warrants what. Yeah, so his reunion with his

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>family was short lived and he was sent off to

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a boy's home whoa yeah something. Yeah. Most of his

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>family were like on drugs or in jail, so he

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:05.879
<v Speaker 1>was kind of on his own, and they basically sent

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 1>him to an orphanage. Keith's parents sent him off to

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.959
<v Speaker 1>boarding school to straighten him out, and it worked for Keith,

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 1>but not so much for Nol. So Keith bounced around. Eventually,

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 1>he gets married, he gets a really good job, has

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>some kids. Noel just keeps crying, gets into drugs. But

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 1>now he is cleaned up, functioning really, really well, and

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I want only the best things in life for him,

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>for both of them, totally. I highly recommend the documentary.

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>It's like a thirty minute doc and it's them as

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 1>adults telling the story and they're the most charming people,

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and I just love it. Let's break for some ads,

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and then I have one more mad captail of stowing

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 1>away for you.

0:37:45.400 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 6>Hell yeah, Zaren.

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned Brian robson up Top Man who mailed himself

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 1>love Trains. I got another one like that for you.

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Charles McKinley, also a self mailer. Self mailer, twenty five

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>years old, having a hard time of things. So this

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>is in like two thousand and three. He's born and

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 1>raised in DeSoto, Texas, which is like Dallas. Basically, he's

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>a good dude. His very sincere comes from this really

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>good family, has a degree in microbiology. Just a sweet

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>mer cree. Yeah, he's living in New York, but it

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 1>was really overwhelming for him, and then he and his

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>girl had a falling out. He was making twenty five

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars a month at a retail job in New York,

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>but like in the less than three months that he

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>lived there, he blew through fifteen thousand, so it was

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:56.760
<v Speaker 1>not working.

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so too fast a life for him.

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just everything was way more expensive than a

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of money paid it. Yeah, So he moves down

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to Florida temporarily to like get himself together, try and

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>make some cash. She's living with a he's crashing with

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>a friend. So he gets a gig there at a

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>financial firm and like things are starting to look up.

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>He's just racking up money. So he's like, you know what,

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm going back to New York. Oh Happy two thousand

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.279
<v Speaker 1>and three to make okay. So he wanted to make

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 1>things right with his girlfriend. He wants to get back the.

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Safriend still there, she's still there. He's still holding out

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>hope for that life.

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>He wants to make another go at the relationship.

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm pulling for these crazy cakes.

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>He wants to make another go at life in the city.

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:36.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you girl.

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>So he takes the cash that he had and he

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:43.320
<v Speaker 1>goes back. Quote my girlfriend and I had ended on

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:45.439
<v Speaker 1>a bad note and I wanted to smooth things over.

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>This is what he told the Guardian. But that was

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 1>a big mistake and it just made things worse. While

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I was away, she had overdrawn our joint credit card

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>and checking account and I was back to square one

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.879
<v Speaker 1>and ready to give up. Oh all right, prot that's rough.

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 1>If you aren't like it, it's just your girlfriend or

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 1>your boyfriend, or you're not you're not married, don't get

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a joint account.

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't even recommend a joint account.

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>You're married, you can a joint account or joint just don't.

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't. I would not. I'm not gonna be

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.280
<v Speaker 2>telling people what to do with their money. But damn

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 2>your peace of mind, I think too.

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>You always just have to think about your protecting yourself,

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:26.839
<v Speaker 1>and not necessarily if they're a bad actor, like you're

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:28.439
<v Speaker 1>going to rack that up, but if there's something we're

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>to happen.

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Whatever happens to the identity theft, you've now exposed.

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.359
<v Speaker 1>It to two people away precisely so you know this guy,

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>lessons learned for him, as we'll find out.

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this seems that you're telling me going from

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 2>York to Florida. I'm just starting to paint a picture.

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Nothing against what I'm hearing, No, but yeah, meaning to

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 2>be judgmental, but fifteen thousand dollars in a few months

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 2>is a lot of money. Yeah, having a joint bank

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 2>account with your girlfriend is.

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.800
<v Speaker 1>A little sus, little suss. He's low, he is brought

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>low by this. Okay, like darkest days.

0:40:58.080 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sure twenty five.

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's like, okay, what's the answer. Go home?

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I just got to go back to Texas, back to Texas.

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.320
<v Speaker 1>And apparently, like his mom and dad had foretold this.

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>People in Texas generally too are people who leave Texas,

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>you'll come back.

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Quote mom and dad always said I'd never make it

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in New York because I was a small town boy,

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and they were right. So at the end of August

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 1>I told him I was coming home. Yeah. So when

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>he went down to Florida on that mission to make money,

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>he'd left some of his clothes and his computer at

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a friend's house in Long Island. Okay, Yeah, and so

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>he went out to pick it all up. He gets

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and he walked back to Queens from Long Island.

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Some of his choices are starting to see him a

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 2>little dressed.

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 1>No little charge. So poor little guy got through.

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's just put it that way, right.

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.879
<v Speaker 1>So he's got his stuff is. He's walking along, walking

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 1>back to Queens. He passes a church from Long Island

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 1>and he hears music coming from inside the church.

0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Heaven sent.

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 1>It was Madonna rehearsing for an upcoming tour.

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding?

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he dropped his laptop. He like strode into the building,

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 1>wowing her with deadly dance moves that did not happen. No,

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>he's walking, sucking from Long Island to Queens, and he

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:22.320
<v Speaker 1>walks by a church. And then here's what really happened.

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>He noticed that there was a big wooden crate outside.

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>No Madonna, Sorry, I got you all excited. He asked

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.280
<v Speaker 1>the people there, like, hey, can you set this aside

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>for me so I can use it to ship my

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:35.879
<v Speaker 1>stuff back to Dallas the Great?

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>But these are the kind you put art in, okay.

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>But these are good carrying people of faith with love

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>for a stranger.

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Sure of course.

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>So they set it aside, and they kept their eyes

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>on it. They did. They're like, all right, we'll after

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 1>good good luck on your walk. So he's shuffling off

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to Queens. His mind starts cranking. He's like, I think

0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I have an idea, or as he said, quote, I

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 1>have no choice, he finishes. Brother, he said quote, I

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 1>had far too much pride to ask mom and dad

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.320
<v Speaker 1>or my friends for the money. And I had literally

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>no money of my own and no credit card that

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:18.720
<v Speaker 1>would work. But I did have a UPS charge card,

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 1>which I could pay off in installments. Even though it

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>cost me more money than a passenger flight. It was

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the only way what.

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Happened to freight trains. Brother, let me come on, I

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 2>just swallow.

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Your way down, swallow your pride and make it a lesson.

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Learn anyway. So he gets on the horn with UPS.

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.359
<v Speaker 1>He sets it up for the shipperd to pick up

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the car. He has a UPS card car. I think

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 1>it's from like a previous job, so he he It's

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.759
<v Speaker 1>basically like a UPS gift card, is how I like?

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So he he's like, okay. UPS picked this crate up

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>at four pm on September fifth, two thousand and three,

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>outside this chair like, yeah, Madonna's inside, don't don't be

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 1>star straight. How much is this going to cost him?

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Six hundred and eighty eight dollars for overnight delivery, which

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 1>is not bad. The same flight one way JFK to

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Dallas two and forty.

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 2>He can't can't get that with an can't.

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Put it on a UPS account charge. So Charles was careful.

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.439
<v Speaker 1>He measured the box to make sure he would fit,

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:28.320
<v Speaker 1>that he'd be able.

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>To determine what fitting was.

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 5>Well.

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to be able to sit straight up, like

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>just sitting straight up. You remember Brian Robson was like,

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:41.280
<v Speaker 1>can I fold myself into a pretzel and not carry

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>any water? He carried water, I don't know whatever. So no,

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I want to be able to sit straight

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 1>up and like not be crunched over the whole time. Yeah,

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.759
<v Speaker 1>but I'm guessing he's like sitting cross.

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Legged, okay, legs a caimbo kind of.

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So he tells UPS that the crate is going

0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:01.839
<v Speaker 1>to be holding very precious, very expensive of very powerful

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 1>computer equipment and it has to be treated with the

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 1>utmost care, white gloves service. You have to protect the

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 1>microchips there. So Charles he's ready to do this. He

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 1>takes off two loose pieces of wood from the crate,

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 1>squeezes inside, puts like head and shoulders first like worms

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>his way in.

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Does he have someone seal him in?

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 1>And he gets inside and then nails the slats back

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>in place from the inside out, nails would wraps himself

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 1>in a blanket and then waits and then just pretty soon,

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty soon, he's on a flatbed truck on his way

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:42.280
<v Speaker 1>to Newark Airport.

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:46.200
<v Speaker 2>On his back. Imagine if he's crate, maybe he's standing.

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's sitting. He just wanted to be able to

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>sit straight up. Okay, so I'm just imagining it's like

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>a box, like a square box type.

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're imagining a square box. I was maaging a

0:45:56.200 --> 0:46:01.279
<v Speaker 2>rectangular box. Well either way, well one is sitting straight up.

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 2>If you're in a rectangular box, it's more likely going

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 2>to be sitting on one face or you know.

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's say he's probably on his back maybe whatever. Anyway,

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 1>he gets very lucky and they put him into a

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>pressurized hole because he made such a big deal about it.

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean he called them multiple times. I had it

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 1>like I got to remind you it's computer equipment. So

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:27.040
<v Speaker 1>they they put them, they're like put a note on

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:30.400
<v Speaker 1>his file like this trouble. They put him on a

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>commercial flight, not a cargo and so if he'd have

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>been in a cargo flight, he'd died because it was

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 1>like unpressurized.

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 2>The unpressurized to I.

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Guess can't breathe. So he had to stay super quiet

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 1>while he was being loaded into the plane. Didn't want

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to give himself away, he told The Guardian quote. I

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 1>was put on a conveyor and started bumping into other containers.

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I could hear beeping noises and somebody calling out numbers. Finally,

0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.760
<v Speaker 1>someone said everything, tag the pilots of the information they need.

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Then the voices disappeared, and I heard the door closed.

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>We taxied on the runway for a while, and I

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 1>knew it was too late to turn back. After about

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes, I removed the slats from my crate and

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>squeezed myself out. I noticed some NBCTV equipment when I

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:18.399
<v Speaker 1>walked around a couple of feet within the container. I

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 1>was happy to be going home, but I was nervous.

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 2>He gets out of the crate, gets.

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Out of the crate. That moment of like I knew

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 1>it was too late to turn back.

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 2>That's terrify you said that I had this sense of

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>shows like I had that feeling You're locked in now,

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 2>there's no way I can go back.

0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 1>You just can't.

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Got to commit now, hold on, but exactly.

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Now, it wasn't a street shot from Newark to Dallas. No,

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>he went from Newark to Buffalo.

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 2>That's the wrong direction, right the.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Wayne Indiana?

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, did he gets stuck somewhere where it's cold? Oh?

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 2>I know?

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:53.800
<v Speaker 1>And then then he's put on a plane to Dallas.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 2>So he left Indiana.

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>He left New York at four pm on September fifth,

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:01.240
<v Speaker 1>and he gets into Dallas at seven am on September seven,

0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>So it could have been a whole off overnight. Yeah,

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that actually sounds like the New York at four arriving

0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Dallas at seven am the next day. Kind of sounds

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:16.399
<v Speaker 1>like the classic Southwest multi stop cheapo. Like, yeah, taking

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>this right exactly. I mean that's the thing too. Guy's

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.400
<v Speaker 1>like twenty five, right, think about when you're twenty five dumb?

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 2>So many ways I had to like suffer for my choices.

0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Like now you get to go to five airports because

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to wait the last minute to fly on

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 2>the holiday thirty dollars money. So here you go. Yeah,

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>enjoy Midway Airport.

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I hope you like Baltimore, but like, Okay. So he's

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>bouncing around, but unlike if you're in one of those

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Southwest flights, he's not sitting in like a warm enclosed

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 1>cabin or killing time at a Hudson News paying eight

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>bucks for a bag of gummy life savers. No, he's

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.359
<v Speaker 1>in the cargo area. Quote. The second plane was hell.

0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 1>That's when I really wanted to get it out. It

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.319
<v Speaker 1>was so cold. When we stopped at Fort Wayne, I

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 1>could hear dogs barking in the warehouse, and I felt

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>like I sat there for hours. I could see a

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 1>US Customs building and other containers heading for huge scanners,

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and I remember thinking, that's it. I'm gonna get caught. Yeah,

0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 1>but I was one of the first palettes to be

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:19.880
<v Speaker 1>put on the plane. I began to feel sleepy, and

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>when I woke up we landed, I just knew we'd

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>made it to Dallas. You can just feel it when

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>you're home.

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Three things the dogs not I'd be worried they'd be barking.

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 2>How did these dogs not smell the sweaty.

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Guy in what I was wondering, are they like police

0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>dogs or are they dogs being shipped somewhere?

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 2>If sniffing dogs.

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 1>It could be like, you know how people are dogs,

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 1>they thought. I wondered that when I read the quote.

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Who And then also the second one, when you start

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:53.919
<v Speaker 2>to feel sleepy nervous about the carbon monoxide, like.

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Do not get sleepy, force yourself slap in the face.

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.799
<v Speaker 2>So I've yes, I've actually done that caused physical pain

0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:07.960
<v Speaker 2>for an hour to keep myself yes exactly. And then

0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>third the feeling like I'm in Texas, Like you just

0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:14.840
<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm in Texas. I can send it. I

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>came down through the clouds and I in Texas.

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Well you know here home connection but yees, So he did.

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 1>He made it to Dallas to go, and then he

0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 1>was put on a truck and that truck made it's

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>weighted to Sodo. And here's how he tells it, quote,

0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:38.840
<v Speaker 1>my mom signed for the crate. My mom signed for

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the crate at the front door. The driver climbed back

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.759
<v Speaker 1>into the truck and backed it into the alleyway at

0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the side of my house. Suddenly, as he was letting

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the lifting gate down. The slats fell out of my crate.

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:53.399
<v Speaker 1>I quickly leaned out and picked them up. But as

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>he came around the back he saw me peeking through

0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the gaps. He just let out this sigh and said,

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:06.879
<v Speaker 1>oh man, such a So his mom and dad are

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 1>there watching the whole thing, and quote, my dad said,

0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.800
<v Speaker 1>this is like something you see on TV. Mom just said,

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you've done, and I don't want

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:20.560
<v Speaker 1>to know, but you'r home and safe now.

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 2>It's such a perfect text of dance. Is really the

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:26.840
<v Speaker 2>whole South? Yeah, New York City.

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 1>The problem was to New York City.

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 2>You come back selling yourself in a box.

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Look at you. The problem was the snitch delivery driver.

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, because nobody would have known the cops that.

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 1>So they took their sweet time.

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Though, is he just mad?

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess he's a security security comes out, Yeah, they'll

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh you didn't notice when.

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Itself.

0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.640
<v Speaker 1>So the cops though, like they took forever. Charles had

0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 1>time to come inside, get settled, take but when he

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 1>comes out, he's all fresh, clean changed. There's two DeSoto

0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 1>ped officers in his living room and they grilled him.

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 1>They said he was lying. They said he wasn't telling

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 1>him everything. They said he was a terrorist. They said

0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 1>he planned to like pop out of the crate and

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>choke out the pilots.

0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:19.360
<v Speaker 2>They stand where the box.

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Was about this though, two thousand and three. This happened

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:22.880
<v Speaker 1>after the towers.

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Still, Oh, I had not put that together the whole time.

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>There's no joking around aloud, that crying out of new Yeah.

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 1>So they locked Charles up for a.

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Month, Homeland Security didn't come to his house.

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Well that's what I think. Eventually happened. He gets charged

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 1>with ten felonies, ten terrorism charges up the who hot

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and eventually he was able to shed all but one

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 1>of them.

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Good.

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 1>So February fourth, two thousand and four, he pleaded guilty

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:54.120
<v Speaker 1>to a charge of misdemeanor stowaway and he got four

0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 1>months house arrest and a fifteen hundred dollars fine that

0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 1>he avoided fifty years. Yeah, gitmo, So four months house

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.320
<v Speaker 1>arrest not so bad at all. His dad, a chemical engineer,

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 1>had to pay seven thousand dollars in restitution to UPS

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>for what that was?

0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 2>My I have no ideas therapy.

0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Paid who cares? Damn who knows? And it got the

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 1>conversation going about screening cargo because like you know, and

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.239
<v Speaker 1>that pops up every now and then about how uh,

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:32.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, how folderable we are in terms of cargo

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and they don't scan that kind of stuff. So Charles

0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:38.920
<v Speaker 1>when he spoke with the Guardian newspaper in August of

0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four, he was working at the local

0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:44.880
<v Speaker 1>walmart and he told the paper quote, I'm being flown

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to Japan next month by a TV company. They want

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to interview me and do a reenactment of what happened.

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:53.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much money I'm getting for it.

0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:56.799
<v Speaker 1>My lawyer's dealing with that. There's also an appearance on

0:53:56.840 --> 0:54:00.479
<v Speaker 1>the Oprah Winfrey Show in the works. I know they'll

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:02.440
<v Speaker 1>make a joke about it like everyone else, but I'm

0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>used to it now. And you know what, though the

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 1>whole mess wasn't over.

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 4>No.

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.040
<v Speaker 1>In fact, around the time that he said he was

0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:13.440
<v Speaker 1>used to it, he really wasn't. House arrest means you

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:15.560
<v Speaker 1>have to stay at the house. He has to stay

0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:16.359
<v Speaker 1>at his parents' house.

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Did they like change his ankle or not? You know,

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:18.919
<v Speaker 2>he cut on the monit.

0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.319
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't supposed to leave the area without permission from

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:24.160
<v Speaker 1>the court. Okay, you know that's house arrest. So but

0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 1>at the end of August two thousand and four, he

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 1>got stopped by Georgia police after failing to pay for

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:30.040
<v Speaker 1>gas at a station.

0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:31.920
<v Speaker 2>That's the wrong state, Elizabeth.

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, bah bah bus states away. Yeah. So in two

0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand and December two thousand and four, just four months later,

0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Charles he's in court for this on the probation violation charge.

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He apologized to the US magistrate for leaving the state.

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:49.080
<v Speaker 1>He said that it was partly to escape the notoriety

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that surrounded his case. So here he's saying like, oh,

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm used to it. No you're not.

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Also, if you would have stayed inside your house, you

0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:59.280
<v Speaker 2>probably wouldn't have gotten the notoriety unless you the news,

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>turned the TV or whatever turn.

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:04.239
<v Speaker 1>The radio, wanted all the reporters.

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Outside your home in Desoda.

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he he had to do a little bit

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 1>of time for that.

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe this kid, but he tell me he

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:14.839
<v Speaker 2>gives quotes to the press. They always sound like he's

0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:16.759
<v Speaker 2>trying to portray himself in a certain light.

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing, I couldn't find anything on him

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:21.839
<v Speaker 1>after that, which I'm going to take a good sign.

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I want that to be a good thing. Stay out

0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 1>of the papers, y'all.

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:27.320
<v Speaker 2>There little line.

0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm pulling for this kid unless he like milkshake ducks,

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 1>in which case I wash my hands of the whole thing.

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Definitely. And I'm hoping that he goes back to Texas

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.560
<v Speaker 2>in a way that it returns him to his roots

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:38.920
<v Speaker 2>in some way that's beneficial for him.

0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then he has something fulfilling.

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Some purpose, happiness in the room.

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.719
<v Speaker 1>We've all been in our mid twenties, and oh boy.

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised I survived my twenties, honestly. And then I'm

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 2>also surprised that I've survived just as long as I have.

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, like my twenties in particular, that was

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:57.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot of like rough businessman. Why would you think

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that would be a good anyway? What's your takeaway the

0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:07.640
<v Speaker 2>graph Zeppelin? Like, no, actually strike that. I think it's

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Keith the Irish kid, like out of him being like

0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:14.600
<v Speaker 2>lippy And then like I just something, I really want

0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:17.920
<v Speaker 2>to see his portray. I'm gonna I'm gonna check that documentary.

0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see them done up as like a

0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:23.719
<v Speaker 2>TV movie or something. Well, they just like to see

0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.240
<v Speaker 2>some child actors.

0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I know that that story has been options.

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 2>It's it's right. I mean, that is so mazing, like

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:34.040
<v Speaker 2>a fun I mean not like obviously an A twenty

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.360
<v Speaker 2>four movie. This is gonna be a little bit more mainstream,

0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.480
<v Speaker 2>middle of the road, but that's a fun. Yeah.

0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:41.160
<v Speaker 1>The Irish papers had stories on the on the story

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:43.880
<v Speaker 1>getting option for production, and then I tried to trace

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:44.759
<v Speaker 1>it and I couldn't see.

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of stories get options, of course. Yeah,

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:49.760
<v Speaker 2>who knows, what is Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Right? All of these people are so charming to me.

0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:55.200
<v Speaker 1>You did a good job of finding, you know, because

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 1>there are some not so charming ones.

0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Last guy maybe a little worried. I was constantly worried

0:56:59.280 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 2>about it.

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm pulling for all of them. But yeah, they're all

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<v Speaker 1>really fascinating characters. So I was I was pleased with

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<v Speaker 1>that that I didn't have anyone that I have to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to skip over this part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, Dave, I need to talk back.

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<v Speaker 2>I got one for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, he went.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, Sarah, Elizabeth, producer, Dave Interns and all those who

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<v Speaker 4>are responsible for the Ridiculous Crime Podcast. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 4>bringing so much laughter in my life right now, especially

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<v Speaker 4>when things are tough. You also remind me that those

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<v Speaker 4>who are making it tough for me are going to

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<v Speaker 4>be in your show sometime in the future. Can I

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<v Speaker 4>wait to listen to their stories? Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that guarantee.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the thing, like we've we've got to thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Dave for giving us a lot of love on

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<v Speaker 1>the talkbacks this week. True, but I think we need

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<v Speaker 1>to be very gentle with each other. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is another thing that I've always said, not even

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<v Speaker 1>when times are distressing, but it's always really important that

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you enjoy something either about media that

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<v Speaker 1>you consume or also just about people that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tell them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the little shop owner you see all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>let him know I was looking forward to seeing you, yeah, Or.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like there's so I have a friend who every

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<v Speaker 1>time I see her, she just makes me smile. And

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<v Speaker 1>I told her that once, and it's like, every time

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<v Speaker 1>I see her, she just tells me how much it

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<v Speaker 1>means to her. And so it's like, when you have

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<v Speaker 1>those feelings, you got to share them. That's how we survive.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a guy. I gotta say to you men

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<v Speaker 2>out there, you know how rarely you get complimented. Try

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<v Speaker 2>to compliment a man because I think they're doing a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying like we should all compliment man.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say that. I said, guys, you should compliment

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<v Speaker 2>a man. We should all look at each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Come.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean meaningful, not in some bs.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean it s so excellent? Yeah, I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>we're shutting dark, Elizabeth. We're gonna go to positive sunshine.

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth can hear against all delusion?

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<v Speaker 4>Me.

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<v Speaker 1>God, I love a good delusion.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for today. You can find us online at

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