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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zara Elizabeth Zarren.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Yeah, buddy, you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean this cold that we've given each other. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. But either than that, we.

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Speaker 1: Each brought in, yeah, maybe two different streams.

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Speaker 2: And passing them back and forth in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Crazy mind virus is to go all over.

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Speaker 2: That would this is weird.

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Speaker 1: We're patient zero at zero.

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Speaker 2: Point zero can be patient negative one. Yes, He's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how he got it. Twice I was

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Speaker 2: doing research for something and I found that I thought

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Speaker 2: was pretty ridiculous. I wanted to tell you about it

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Speaker 2: because I know you like animals.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety three, the Associated Press had the story with

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Speaker 2: the headline A gorilla with a badge helps capture smugglers.

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Speaker 1: Love that.

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Speaker 2: It was like a gorilla bit the badge. I gotta

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Speaker 2: click on that. So turns out the fifty year old

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Speaker 2: suspect was this cat Victor Burnaal. He was the director

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Speaker 2: of zoos and Parks for the Mexican State of Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Know that that's all worked for the So in Monday,

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Speaker 2: he's in an air On Monday, morning that in Miami

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Speaker 2: suburb of Opa Laca, right, and he's there to meet

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Speaker 2: with some people who promised to give him some gorillas

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Speaker 2: and monkeys. These a middleman, right, So while he's there,

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Speaker 2: he's promised he'll paid ninety two thousand dollars. He wants

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Speaker 2: a real gorilla and go. Yeah, And so the people

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Speaker 2: from Fishing Wildlife, they didn't want to put a real

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Speaker 2: gorilla in the cage to do their sting operation. So

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Speaker 2: they're like, hey, Steve, you still got that gorilla suit

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Speaker 2: from the office party. So they had Steve go and

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Speaker 2: put on the climb in the cage and they sent

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Speaker 2: him to Opa Laca for this sting operation because quote,

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Speaker 2: it's risky and dangerous to you use a real animal,

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Speaker 2: so we had to use a willing substitute, an agent

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Speaker 2: and a gorilla's outfit. So the unidentified agent flown down

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Speaker 2: to Opa Laca. They busted this guy because he gets

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Speaker 2: flown as I said, away, he's supposed to get flown

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Speaker 2: all the way to Mexican city of Tu Luca. Like

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Speaker 2: if they missed this and somehow something went wrong, had

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Speaker 2: a long time. Anyway, they busted the guy. He gets

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Speaker 2: there when it's arrested, nag out on bail. But gorilla

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Speaker 2: in the bas I love that.

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Speaker 1: What I wish I could have been there and watched.

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Speaker 2: That total the gorilla pulled a gun out of the seat.

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Speaker 2: So there you got ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Huh that is ridiculous. And do you want to know

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Speaker 1: what else is ridiculous? I was hoping you had something

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Speaker 1: for me stowing away. Stowing away is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: There going away.

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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 1: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder for you,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh you damn right.

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Speaker 1: Do you like to travel?

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Speaker 2: Love it? Love love it? L o v E love it?

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Heay, I love it until I've just completed some travel.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean then I'm like, I need a

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Speaker 1: break from this for a while.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you can travel yourself out of travel.

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Speaker 1: I can totally travel myself out of travel.

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Speaker 2: You're like so dumb with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like all eagerly awaiting it. I get all excited

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Speaker 1: and then I love it while I'm doing it, But

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Speaker 1: then like I get home, I'm like, Okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got it.

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Speaker 2: Not for what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Thank god, I'm home.

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Speaker 2: You you do love being home?

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Speaker 1: I God, I do. When was the last time you

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Speaker 1: were on a plane.

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Speaker 2: A little while ago? I couldn't tell you. I don't

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Speaker 2: remember that was the trip?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember? If you don't remember which one?

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Speaker 2: I think I flew to Hawaii must no see I

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Speaker 2: could before that. I flew to Florida. I saw tod

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have a dedicated ticket?

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Speaker 2: What are we doing? Yes? I shouldn't have a dedicated ticket.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't like somebody else's ticket.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh I got to you just had a

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Speaker 1: ticket just sneak on.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I mean I I don't know how to

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Speaker 2: do that. Well, I mean like it's real hard these days.

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Speaker 2: If you put me in the eighties, I think I

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Speaker 2: could have gotten on a plane.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but now.

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Speaker 2: It's like real hard, like so many layers.

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Speaker 1: Not everyone gets a ticket though, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, really? Yeah, who you get on a plane when you.

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Speaker 1: They still always there? Oh I forgot exactly.

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Speaker 2: I'm over here buying pilot uniform.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, they just stow away. As you said,

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Speaker 1: it used to be easier than it would be now,

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Speaker 1: so of course.

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Speaker 2: I mean you could buy a plane a ticket on

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Speaker 2: the plane.

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, but like security now makes it. Oh

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Speaker 1: you're impossible, good luck, But it still happens. Remember Brian Robson,

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Speaker 1: the guy shipped.

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Speaker 2: Shipped him out.

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Speaker 1: I got more stowaways for you today.

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Speaker 2: So are these people who are like going into like

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Speaker 2: climbing on the plane.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're going to find out. There are a couple

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm into this.

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Speaker 1: Let's begin with the og. This is the first aerial stowaway.

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Speaker 2: Take me back.

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Speaker 1: Clarence Terhoon, Clarence Clarence Trehoon, nineteen twenty eight, Little Clarence, he's.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's nineteen yearsyears old.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of faith. They've just gotten good.

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Speaker 1: Wait till you hear. Okay. So he's a native son

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Speaker 1: of Saint Louis, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: He had worked as a golf caddy. That was like

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Speaker 1: his you know, have golf shoes, will travel, I think

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Speaker 1: so idiots. He was loved. He loved stowing away on

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Speaker 1: trains and ships.

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Speaker 2: Who does it was like his favorite thing that I

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Speaker 1: He also he loved to sneak into like big sporting

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Speaker 2: Also fun used to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a rambling sort. So it's like he's

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Speaker 1: in Saint Louis. He hitchhiked to San Francisco and back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't like two.

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Speaker 1: Years nineteen twenty six to twenty eight, he's bounces all

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Speaker 2: You gotta stay clean and smell good though, I guess well.

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Speaker 1: So on one of his trips, he gets out to

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Speaker 2: It's not a lot of golfing up there.

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Speaker 1: But then he made it back. He made it there

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Speaker 2: Actually don't know golf.

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Speaker 1: But then tragedy struck. His parents suffered a grizzly fate.

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Speaker 1: One I'm not going to get No, it would have

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Speaker 1: been rad if that. No, this is back in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: Not assion the time it was, it was, it was.

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Speaker 1: Bad, it was very violent. That's in July. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: That was in July.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I thought Sarah that we were respectful anyway. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So July of twenty his world comes crashing down. But

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Speaker 1: then October if that same year, opportunity arose. So that

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Speaker 1: And it kicked off with the airship graf Zeppelin oh

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Speaker 2: The blim the huh how long did that take.

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Speaker 1: For us real stow away forever? Like Clarence, Right, this

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Speaker 1: gate in the sky, right, this is a whole new world.

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Speaker 2: It's so rich, idiot.

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Speaker 1: The craft Zeppelin is in Lakehurst, New Jersey, and like,

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Speaker 1: the temptation is just too much. So he makes a

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Speaker 1: the first stowaway in an aircraft. He's like, look, I've

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Speaker 2: A pioneer of a new game.

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Speaker 1: His brother in law, George Hall said, quote, it's just

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Speaker 1: like him. He's been doing things like that for two years.

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Speaker 1: But this is the biggest job he ever undertook.

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Speaker 2: This family.

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Speaker 1: He did so the graft Zeppelin came from Germany and

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Speaker 1: to Germany, it had to return of course. Yes, Clarence

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Speaker 2: I was wondering when and how he did this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then he pokes around and he finds the mail compartment. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And in no time he's going to be in Germany, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: It's like two weeks at least to make that flight.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I looked it up.

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Speaker 1: I did. It took the graf Zeppelin one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Minutes eleven hours, okay, so it's like four and.

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Speaker 1: A days, four and a half days. So he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tuck in with the mail bags. We'll

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Speaker 2: They say, don't go longer in three days without water.

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Speaker 2: He's really pushing it, and I.

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Speaker 1: Don't believe he brought anything with him. Yeah, so he's like, whatever,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to go to Germany and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do some German golf caddies there.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they do golf.

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Speaker 1: They must must assume.

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 1: I'll get a job so I'll have some more adventures,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So but then he gets discovered.

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Speaker 2: In the hangar in the air to the air though

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Speaker 2: he makes it into.

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Speaker 1: The air, but they and they don't make him walk

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Speaker 2: They don't make him turn around, you like.

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Speaker 1: No, They're like, we can't turn the ship around. Like

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Speaker 1: they put them to work work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the drinks, you know, the.

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Speaker 1: Captain made him do the dishes and like peel potatoes

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Speaker 1: like in the traditional yeah.

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Speaker 1: And he also just had to like basically be a gopher,

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Speaker 1: like go get me this, and he would.

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Speaker 2: Just lowest person on the order.

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Speaker 1: There was no steerage to put him because like Zeppelin's

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Speaker 1: like you're saying this high class, that's trap expensive.

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Speaker 2: It's only for like the very luxurious find China and

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Speaker 2: you know whatever bone China, whatever you'd expect have then

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Speaker 1: On this particular one, there were ten passenger cabins and

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Speaker 2: Right, great one. I'm jealous.

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Speaker 1: Two years later he popped up in an Associated Press piece. Really,

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Speaker 2: That is so fing?

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Speaker 1: This guy's a nobody, Yeah, begging for job.

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Speaker 2: Piss off the writer? I mean, like two years ago,

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Speaker 1: A round World hitchhiker stopped in China gives up.

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Speaker 1: Clarence Terhun graf Zeppelin stow away, great thirties voice, by

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Speaker 1: March ninth on a proposed quote hitchhiking trip around the world.

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven. Clarence Terrehoon, semi Coolin was zeppelin stowaway.

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Speaker 1: I hope you do a good thing.

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Speaker 1: So here, well, here I can I can tell you

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Speaker 1: about two?

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Speaker 2: Let's let's hop it, let's happen it Ireland. I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: Dublin Iron Kids, August nineteen.

444
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Speaker 2: Eighty five, eighty five, What a time Dublin eighty five.

445
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Speaker 1: Live Aid Fever as local boy Bob Geldoff raises millions

446
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: of pounds for famine relief in Ethiopia?

447
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Speaker 2: Did you lie laugh the worst? I'm over here laughing,

448
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: and you're like and and I'm still laughing.

449
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: We were there and I thought we were the sensitive

450
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Speaker 1: types here.

451
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Speaker 2: I normally am until you get me on these hooks.

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Speaker 1: So there's these two boys. Yes, there's ten year old

453
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Speaker 1: Keith Burne and thirteen year old Noel Murray.

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Speaker 2: Noel Murray and Keith.

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Speaker 1: Keith and knowle little Keith, bigger nol Keith. And so

456
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Speaker 1: like any boys of this age in nineteen eighty five,

457
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Speaker 1: they loved the show the eighteen and they loved it

458
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Speaker 1: when a plan came together. And they also these two

459
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Speaker 1: loved to get up to no good little chancers, as

460
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Speaker 1: they'd say, they shoplifted, they robbed people.

461
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Speaker 2: They lived in the Murdock would be so impressed.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have no idea. They lived in

463
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Speaker 1: a rough area and they were just like these little

464
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Speaker 1: adorable hoodlums. She's so cut.

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Speaker 2: You think they had nicknames from the eighteen like one

466
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Speaker 2: called themselves.

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Speaker 1: Hannibal with ba barocas of course.

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Speaker 2: I thought they call themselves be A Barca, Murdoch.

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Speaker 1: Face and Murdoch some of them were. Yeah, and so

470
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Speaker 1: they they talked a lot about bunking. That's basically riding

471
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Speaker 1: public transportation without paying.

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Speaker 2: Oh like free riding bunking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they would they would take buses and trains

474
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Speaker 1: all over Ireland together without their parents knowing, just getting

475
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Speaker 1: up to no good. So the parents would sometimes call

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Speaker 1: the cops, the guardy and maybe the GUARDI would come

477
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Speaker 1: and pick them up. They'd be dragged back home, only

478
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Speaker 1: to do it again the next week.

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Speaker 2: So they're bring them around the pub.

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Speaker 1: They'd go to Donegal. They went to Galway from corner

481
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Speaker 1: to corners. Yeah, they're all over the place. And then

482
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Speaker 1: one day they went a little further where. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: Keith's mom tells them to go down to the shop

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Speaker 1: and pick up a bag of potatoes. A bag of

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Speaker 1: potatoes for dinner. She needed potatoes, which, let's be honest,

486
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Speaker 1: we all need potatoes.

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Speaker 2: Who does it now more than ever?

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Speaker 1: We need potatoes sweet and kind whatever? Sweet? I like that.

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Speaker 1: Let's run with it, so Keith he obliges. On his

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Speaker 1: way back from the store, he runs in a knoll.

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Speaker 1: Want to hang out? Oh yeah, sure, let's do this,

492
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Speaker 1: And so Keith he takes the potatoes home, drops him

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Speaker 1: off spuds as he keeps calling, drops them off.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, the spuds.

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Speaker 1: His mom says these fateful words. Don't go far. Your

496
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Speaker 1: dinner's nearly ready.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, so we're talking like fifteen twenty minutes.

498
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're already out the door because she yells us.

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Speaker 1: And the first thing they did was go to the

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Speaker 1: nearby train station, the Dart station, and they hopped on

501
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Speaker 1: a train. Didn't pay, of course. And from there they

502
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Speaker 1: went to dune Leary, like on the outskirts of done.

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Speaker 1: So they walk around a bit, they see that the

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Speaker 1: ferry is in port, and so they jump on the ferry.

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Speaker 1: They've done that a couple times before. Okay, didn't pay, ever,

506
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Speaker 1: so like whatever they you know, your ma is slaving.

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Speaker 2: Over your dinner, the hot potatoes.

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Speaker 1: But like, why not so they they duck into the

509
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Speaker 1: duty free shop. They steal a bunch of cigarettes on

510
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Speaker 1: the on the ferry, they don't smoke. This is just figure,

511
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Speaker 1: just what I'm thinking, perhaps, And so there they are

512
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Speaker 1: cruising the Irish seat not a care in the world.

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Speaker 1: Ten and thirteen, the ferry docked in Wales. Wow, and the.

514
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Speaker 2: Boys they crossed the Irish Channel or the Irish.

515
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Speaker 1: The boys disembark with everybody else and then there's like, oh,

516
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Speaker 1: we're at the train station and you know, we could

517
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Speaker 1: just take a train to London. So off they go.

518
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Speaker 1: Why not? Why not? Your mom slave it over your din? Okay,

519
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Speaker 1: So they get on.

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Speaker 2: The train train from Whales to London.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they go to London. Somehow they made friends on

522
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Speaker 1: the train with this guy and his girlfriend, and these

523
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Speaker 1: two weirdos let the boys crash at their house overnight.

524
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Speaker 1: I have no idea what load of bull stories the

525
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Speaker 1: boys fed him, but it must have been amazing.

526
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Speaker 2: But this is very eighties. I mean, like used to

527
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Speaker 2: make whole TV movies about doing this, sleeping at a

528
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Speaker 2: bus station and common adults into like taking him in.

529
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Speaker 1: And that's probably where this came from. So there they

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Speaker 1: are in London, they've obviously missed dinner and bedtime breakfast

531
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Speaker 1: the next day, but whatever, they're in the big city.

532
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Speaker 1: It's so exciting for them. London ten and thirteen. Dublin

533
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Speaker 1: is this world capital, right, but London is another London

534
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Speaker 1: and London in nineteen eighty five. So in the morning,

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Speaker 1: the boys make their way to Heathrow and because they're

536
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Speaker 1: not too far from it where they're saying and like back.

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Speaker 2: Home, pop over to heat.

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Speaker 1: Well back home in Dublin, they would go to the

539
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Speaker 1: airport as a great place to go steal food.

540
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because you could like.

541
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Speaker 1: Slip into restaurants and take plates, or they go through

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Speaker 1: the buffet.

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Speaker 2: Line and then before security. It was a great place

544
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Speaker 2: because so much action's happening. People are leaving, no one's stay.

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Speaker 1: It's good, good stuff. So, as Noel says in the documentary,

546
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Speaker 1: that's called nothing to declare, which is great, by the way. Yeah,

547
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Speaker 1: he said, quote, we're too little.

548
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Speaker 2: The airport know who you are.

549
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: The documentary he's constantly apologizing for cursing and it's so sweet. Anyway,

550
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: So at the airport they figured out they'd be able

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Speaker 1: to jump on a flight back to Dublin. No one's

552
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: the wiser, Bob's your uncle, you know whatever, just get

553
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Speaker 1: up there. Now. They didn't have the security that we

554
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Speaker 1: have now, but they did have security eighty five Heathrow.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that the bridge would have some because of

556
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Speaker 2: all the issues with the IRA.

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Speaker 1: At that point, precisely. So the boys they had to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to run that gauntlet. So they did,

559
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: like Liam and Manchester, and they just trailed along with

560
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Speaker 1: another family and as Noel tells it, quote somebody just

561
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Speaker 1: fell for that and we kind of just held hands,

562
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Speaker 1: like two little innocent brothers. So they're just hamming it up.

563
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Speaker 1: So they make it through security. Now, okay, find a

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Speaker 1: flight to Dublin. So the boys are asking people at

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Speaker 1: each gate where the planes are going, and it's like

566
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Speaker 1: all very overwhelming. But then a man tells them that

567
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Speaker 1: a particular flight is going to America, New York City.

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Speaker 1: The boys look each other the A team like maybe

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Speaker 1: we can meet be a barcas. So the next thing

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Speaker 1: you know, they're on the plane. They're like, let's just

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Speaker 1: go to New York City.

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Speaker 2: To New York.

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Speaker 1: Neither hauld it ever been on a plane before. Every time, luckily,

574
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Speaker 1: the flight was nowhere near full, like a lot of

575
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Speaker 1: empty seats. So the boys they sit next to each

576
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Speaker 1: other in an empty rope. They buckle up and they

577
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Speaker 1: just acted like they knew.

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Speaker 2: The first time I ever flew, I was thirteen. I

579
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Speaker 2: flew by myself. I wasn't terrified, but I wasn't so chilly.

580
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Speaker 1: These guys, these are some little street tofts.

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Speaker 2: This is amazing.

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Speaker 1: It was all very exciting. The noise you got, the

583
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Speaker 1: rumble of the engines taken off into the wild blue yonder.

584
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Speaker 1: And it's an It's an Air India flight.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

586
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Speaker 1: So the flight attendants are in Sorry's with like Bindy's.

587
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Speaker 1: They serve curry, and the boys hadn't really had it,

588
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: and they thought it was way too spicy.

589
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: They're like, what, yeahm uses many spices.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking. So they watched a movie. They watched

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Speaker 1: a classic film, one of my fas a view to

592
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Speaker 1: a kill Bond double O seven Duran Duran theme song, Christopher,

593
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Speaker 1: It's perfection.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: They took little snoozes. Uh, let's watch it. Maybe I'll

596
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Speaker 1: do an episode where I just recount exactly next thing

597
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Speaker 1: they know, They're in New York's JFK.

598
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: Are you kidding this? Is amazing.

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00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: No plans, just vibes. So they get off the plane.

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Speaker 1: They're headed through the airport. They get asked for their

601
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Speaker 1: passports and they say, oh, mam has them and she's

602
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: just behind right. So the customs agent tells me, wait

603
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: there and let's let your mom catch up with you.

604
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: And so they do the whole like blink blink yes, sir,

605
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: uh oh, we have adorable accents.

606
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: And then the.

607
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: Guy when he's not looking, they just slip through. So

608
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Speaker 1: they hang around the airport for a couple hours and

609
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: they're like sitting in those massage chairs, just people watching.

610
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: In they'd walk outside anyone.

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00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: No, no, not a bit. Uh yeah. But so they see

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Speaker 1: a cop and they go up to the cop and

613
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: they're like, excuse me, how do you get to the

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Speaker 1: city center?

615
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Speaker 2: The city center? City center because that's what they call it,

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Speaker 2: Dublin city Center.

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Speaker 1: Where's the center? And the cop is like, well, where's

618
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Speaker 1: your parents? And as the cop describes it, quote, I said,

619
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Speaker 1: where are your parents? And a little guy, well he

620
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Speaker 1: was the mouth, he was the rig leader. He says me, mo,

621
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Speaker 1: me ma, in the center of town. We're going to meet.

622
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Speaker 1: I said, you're meeting your parents? In the center of town. Keith,

623
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Speaker 1: that's the little one by the way. So Keith, he

624
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: tried to clarify with the cop. No, mem isn't in town.

625
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Speaker 1: We're here all on our own, like this little ding

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Speaker 1: Dong tells. So the cop, Officer White, he called his

627
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Speaker 1: supervisor and he said, quote, as soon as I heard

628
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: the brogue, I said, you know, these kids didn't just

629
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Speaker 1: come from the Bronx. They thought they fooled people on

630
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: the airline, that they could do the same with Officer White,

631
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: and I, well, it turned out not to be the case, right,

632
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: So before too long, the boys are in the back

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Speaker 1: of a New York police squad car headed for a

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Speaker 1: precinct office. When they got there, the cops questioned them,

635
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like who who are these boys,

636
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: where they come from, where are they going? You know,

637
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: who's with them? If anybody The boys they're cheeky the

638
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: whole time, like they don't give straight answers. What they

639
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: don't take this seriously at all. They did give a

640
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: solid account of their flight from London to New York.

641
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: So the precinct captain, he made calls to London to

642
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: see if they were missing. Two wise cracking street tufts

643
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: cute as buttons is the description with able bro Zarin

644
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: close you app Oh, yes, I want you to picture.

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00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: You are a police officer in New York City, name

646
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Speaker 1: Joseph Stabler. Your son Elliott just graduated from the academy

647
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: and is following in your footsteps, hopefully not too much,

648
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: because you play a little fast and loose. You've been

649
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: on desk duty for three weeks after roughing up a witness,

650
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: so on this day you find yourself passing the time

651
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: going through old casepies. But then those little kids came in.

652
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: Oh they're hilarious. You love them. You know an Irish

653
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: accent a mile away, and those kids got them. You

654
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: tried to tell the captain that how even though they

655
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: were on a flight from London, those kids are Irish

656
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: for sure, got the map of Ireland across their faces.

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Speaker 1: Your grand used to say, the Captain of George you're

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00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: a loose cannon Stabler, a real cowboy. A patrol officer

659
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: brought some soda and chips for the kids, and now

660
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: all of you are kicked back and yucking it up.

661
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Phones go unanswered, papers occasionally slide from the desks. Who

662
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: cares they've asked to see any real American money you

663
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: have in your wallets. They lose it at the sight

664
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: of ones and fives. You tell them they can keep them,

665
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: and the boys are ecstatic. Then the little one, Keith, asks,

666
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: if that's a real gun on your belt? Is you

667
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: tell him? Can I hold it? He asks, I've seen

668
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: Hill Street blues on the telly. You and the rest

669
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: of the guys laugh, Sure, you can hold the gun.

670
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: You take the bullets out and hand it over to him.

671
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: Keith immediately turns and fires the gun of Noel. Whoa.

672
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: Everybody shouts and you grab the gun back. You can't

673
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: do that, you tell him, even if there are no

674
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: bullets in there. Just then the Captain comes out of

675
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: his office. I just got off the phone with Dublin,

676
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: he says, and you boys are in a lot of

677
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: trouble and scene so back in Dublin.

678
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: Immediately turns and squeezes. But I believe it probably the same.

679
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: So back in Dublin the Guardian they go to tell

680
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Keith's mom that he's been located and he's in New

681
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: York and she says, York Street, no New York, America.

682
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: So she's trying to process back in America. The boys

683
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: they get brought back to the airport, specifically to Air

684
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: India security.

685
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: Who has to pay for the tickets.

686
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Now, Well, what's looming in the background here is that

687
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: just two months prior, and Air India flight had exploded

688
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: off the coast of Ireland as it made its way

689
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: from Montreal to Delhi via London. Oh All, three hundred

690
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: and twenty nine people on board were killed in the bombing.

691
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: It's like tensions are high, especially with Air India, sure,

692
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: especially coming out of London. So the Air India folks

693
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: they put the boys up in this luxury hotel suite

694
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: with around the clock security while they straighten things out.

695
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: They tried to cuff the boys at first, but their hands,

696
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: their wrists were too small, so they just gave up.

697
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: The boys though, they're loving it. They have McDonald's delivered in,

698
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: they're watching TV, they're lounging around.

699
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: It was amazing for them.

700
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: My favorite part though, is that they had stolen jewelry

701
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: from the duty free shop at heath Grows, Oh nice,

702
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: and they wound up selling it to the security guards.

703
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: So they befriend the security guards. They're selling them, I'm

704
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: sure the cigarettes too. The security guard to take them

705
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: on a sight seeing trip around New York, like they

706
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: give them the iHeart New York shirts and they see

707
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: like the Brooklyn Bridge, the Empire State Building, they buy souvenirs,

708
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: they get back and then they're like the interrogation really begins,

709
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: and so they're asked like, how exactly did you do this.

710
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm glad they got that little experience. Here's let's get

711
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: you some ice cream in Central Park.

712
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: And besides, I bought some I bought the boys asked

713
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: the security guys like, are you going to give this

714
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: jewelry to your wives? And they tell the boys no,

715
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to give them to a hooker. And the

716
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: boys are like.

717
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: What the boys exactly my girlfriend.

718
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: It's just like so nuts. Anyway, so they realized, now, okay,

719
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: this is a big deal. When the interrogations kind of

720
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: finally begin, and so they explain every last detail. Keith

721
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: tells it quote, they didn't care that we were two

722
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: young kids having the cracker messing about. They were seeing

723
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: the serious side of this. So then we kind of

724
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: started realizing, Okay, this is serious. We better help these people.

725
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: So the boys they had to go back to the

726
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: airport and walk everyone through what they'd done, step by step,

727
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: every last yeah. And so when all was said and done,

728
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: everyone realized these aren't terrorists, these are just rascals. Yeah.

729
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: So they put them on an aer Lingus plane home, Yeah,

730
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: New York to Shannon to Dublin. And the boys are like,

731
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're in so much trouble. And so

732
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: their parents are going to be mad. They're like, okay,

733
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: well we stop in Shannon when we let's let's jump

734
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: off the plane and leg it and Shannon. But they

735
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: just they were so knocked out by the whole thing

736
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: they fell asleep and when they woke up, they were

737
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: in Dublin. Everyone else had gotten off the planes and

738
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: they're all blank blank and they're wearing their iHeart New

739
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: York shirts when they get off the plane. It's just hysteric.

740
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: But what wasn't funny is that thirteen year old nol

741
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: he had warrants what. Yeah, so his reunion with his

742
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: family was short lived and he was sent off to

743
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: a boy's home whoa yeah something. Yeah. Most of his

744
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: family were like on drugs or in jail, so he

745
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: was kind of on his own, and they basically sent

746
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: him to an orphanage. Keith's parents sent him off to

747
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 1: boarding school to straighten him out, and it worked for Keith,

748
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: but not so much for Nol. So Keith bounced around. Eventually,

749
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: he gets married, he gets a really good job, has

750
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: some kids. Noel just keeps crying, gets into drugs. But

751
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: now he is cleaned up, functioning really, really well, and

752
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: I want only the best things in life for him,

753
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: for both of them, totally. I highly recommend the documentary.

754
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: It's like a thirty minute doc and it's them as

755
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: adults telling the story and they're the most charming people,

756
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: and I just love it. Let's break for some ads,

757
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: and then I have one more mad captail of stowing

758
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: away for you.

759
00:37:45,400 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 6: Hell yeah, Zaren.

760
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: I mentioned Brian robson up Top Man who mailed himself

761
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: love Trains. I got another one like that for you.

762
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Charles McKinley, also a self mailer. Self mailer, twenty five

763
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: years old, having a hard time of things. So this

764
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: is in like two thousand and three. He's born and

765
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: raised in DeSoto, Texas, which is like Dallas. Basically, he's

766
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: a good dude. His very sincere comes from this really

767
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: good family, has a degree in microbiology. Just a sweet

768
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: mer cree. Yeah, he's living in New York, but it

769
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: was really overwhelming for him, and then he and his

770
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: girl had a falling out. He was making twenty five

771
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month at a retail job in New York,

772
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: but like in the less than three months that he

773
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: lived there, he blew through fifteen thousand, so it was

774
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: not working.

775
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so too fast a life for him.

776
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just everything was way more expensive than a

777
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: lot of money paid it. Yeah, So he moves down

778
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: to Florida temporarily to like get himself together, try and

779
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: make some cash. She's living with a he's crashing with

780
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: a friend. So he gets a gig there at a

781
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: financial firm and like things are starting to look up.

782
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: He's just racking up money. So he's like, you know what,

783
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm going back to New York. Oh Happy two thousand

784
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: and three to make okay. So he wanted to make

785
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: things right with his girlfriend. He wants to get back the.

786
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: Safriend still there, she's still there. He's still holding out

787
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: hope for that life.

788
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: He wants to make another go at the relationship.

789
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm pulling for these crazy cakes.

790
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: He wants to make another go at life in the city.

791
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, you girl.

792
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: So he takes the cash that he had and he

793
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: goes back. Quote my girlfriend and I had ended on

794
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: a bad note and I wanted to smooth things over.

795
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: This is what he told the Guardian. But that was

796
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: a big mistake and it just made things worse. While

797
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I was away, she had overdrawn our joint credit card

798
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: and checking account and I was back to square one

799
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: and ready to give up. Oh all right, prot that's rough.

800
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: If you aren't like it, it's just your girlfriend or

801
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: your boyfriend, or you're not you're not married, don't get

802
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: a joint account.

803
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't even recommend a joint account.

804
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: You're married, you can a joint account or joint just don't.

805
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't. I would not. I'm not gonna be

806
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: telling people what to do with their money. But damn

807
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: your peace of mind, I think too.

808
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: You always just have to think about your protecting yourself,

809
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: and not necessarily if they're a bad actor, like you're

810
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: going to rack that up, but if there's something we're

811
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: to happen.

812
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: Whatever happens to the identity theft, you've now exposed.

813
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: It to two people away precisely so you know this guy,

814
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: lessons learned for him, as we'll find out.

815
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So this seems that you're telling me going from

816
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: York to Florida. I'm just starting to paint a picture.

817
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: Nothing against what I'm hearing, No, but yeah, meaning to

818
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: be judgmental, but fifteen thousand dollars in a few months

819
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: is a lot of money. Yeah, having a joint bank

820
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: account with your girlfriend is.

821
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: A little sus, little suss. He's low, he is brought

822
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: low by this. Okay, like darkest days.

823
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure twenty five.

824
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, okay, what's the answer. Go home?

825
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: I just got to go back to Texas, back to Texas.

826
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: And apparently, like his mom and dad had foretold this.

827
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: People in Texas generally too are people who leave Texas,

828
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: you'll come back.

829
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Quote mom and dad always said I'd never make it

830
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: in New York because I was a small town boy,

831
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: and they were right. So at the end of August

832
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: I told him I was coming home. Yeah. So when

833
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: he went down to Florida on that mission to make money,

834
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: he'd left some of his clothes and his computer at

835
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: a friend's house in Long Island. Okay, Yeah, and so

836
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: he went out to pick it all up. He gets

837
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: and he walked back to Queens from Long Island.

838
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: Some of his choices are starting to see him a

839
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: little dressed.

840
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: No little charge. So poor little guy got through.

841
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: Let's just put it that way, right.

842
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: So he's got his stuff is. He's walking along, walking

843
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: back to Queens. He passes a church from Long Island

844
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: and he hears music coming from inside the church.

845
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: Sure, Heaven sent.

846
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: It was Madonna rehearsing for an upcoming tour.

847
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?

848
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: Yes, he dropped his laptop. He like strode into the building,

849
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: wowing her with deadly dance moves that did not happen. No,

850
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: he's walking, sucking from Long Island to Queens, and he

851
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: walks by a church. And then here's what really happened.

852
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: He noticed that there was a big wooden crate outside.

853
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: No Madonna, Sorry, I got you all excited. He asked

854
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: the people there, like, hey, can you set this aside

855
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: for me so I can use it to ship my

856
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: stuff back to Dallas the Great?

857
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: But these are the kind you put art in, okay.

858
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: But these are good carrying people of faith with love

859
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: for a stranger.

860
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 2: Sure of course.

861
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: So they set it aside, and they kept their eyes

862
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: on it. They did. They're like, all right, we'll after

863
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: good good luck on your walk. So he's shuffling off

864
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: to Queens. His mind starts cranking. He's like, I think

865
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: I have an idea, or as he said, quote, I

866
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: have no choice, he finishes. Brother, he said quote, I

867
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: had far too much pride to ask mom and dad

868
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: or my friends for the money. And I had literally

869
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: no money of my own and no credit card that

870
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: would work. But I did have a UPS charge card,

871
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: which I could pay off in installments. Even though it

872
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: cost me more money than a passenger flight. It was

873
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: the only way what.

874
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: Happened to freight trains. Brother, let me come on, I

875
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: just swallow.

876
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: Your way down, swallow your pride and make it a lesson.

877
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: Learn anyway. So he gets on the horn with UPS.

878
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: He sets it up for the shipperd to pick up

879
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: the car. He has a UPS card car. I think

880
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: it's from like a previous job, so he he It's

881
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: basically like a UPS gift card, is how I like?

882
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: So he he's like, okay. UPS picked this crate up

883
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: at four pm on September fifth, two thousand and three,

884
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: outside this chair like, yeah, Madonna's inside, don't don't be

885
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: star straight. How much is this going to cost him?

886
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: Six hundred and eighty eight dollars for overnight delivery, which

887
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: is not bad. The same flight one way JFK to

888
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: Dallas two and forty.

889
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: He can't can't get that with an can't.

890
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: Put it on a UPS account charge. So Charles was careful.

891
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: He measured the box to make sure he would fit,

892
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: that he'd be able.

893
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: To determine what fitting was.

894
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 5: Well.

895
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: He wanted to be able to sit straight up, like

896
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: just sitting straight up. You remember Brian Robson was like,

897
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: can I fold myself into a pretzel and not carry

898
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: any water? He carried water, I don't know whatever. So no,

899
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: He's like, I want to be able to sit straight

900
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: up and like not be crunched over the whole time. Yeah,

901
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing he's like sitting cross.

902
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: Legged, okay, legs a caimbo kind of.

903
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he tells UPS that the crate is going

904
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: to be holding very precious, very expensive of very powerful

905
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: computer equipment and it has to be treated with the

906
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: utmost care, white gloves service. You have to protect the

907
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: microchips there. So Charles he's ready to do this. He

908
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: takes off two loose pieces of wood from the crate,

909
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: squeezes inside, puts like head and shoulders first like worms

910
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: his way in.

911
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: Does he have someone seal him in?

912
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: And he gets inside and then nails the slats back

913
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: in place from the inside out, nails would wraps himself

914
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: in a blanket and then waits and then just pretty soon,

915
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: pretty soon, he's on a flatbed truck on his way

916
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: to Newark Airport.

917
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: On his back. Imagine if he's crate, maybe he's standing.

918
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: Maybe he's sitting. He just wanted to be able to

919
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: sit straight up. Okay, so I'm just imagining it's like

920
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: a box, like a square box type.

921
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh you're imagining a square box. I was maaging a

922
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: rectangular box. Well either way, well one is sitting straight up.

923
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: If you're in a rectangular box, it's more likely going

924
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: to be sitting on one face or you know.

925
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's say he's probably on his back maybe whatever. Anyway,

926
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: he gets very lucky and they put him into a

927
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: pressurized hole because he made such a big deal about it.

928
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean he called them multiple times. I had it

929
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: like I got to remind you it's computer equipment. So

930
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: they they put them, they're like put a note on

931
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: his file like this trouble. They put him on a

932
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: commercial flight, not a cargo and so if he'd have

933
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: been in a cargo flight, he'd died because it was

934
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: like unpressurized.

935
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: The unpressurized to I.

936
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Guess can't breathe. So he had to stay super quiet

937
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: while he was being loaded into the plane. Didn't want

938
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: to give himself away, he told The Guardian quote. I

939
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: was put on a conveyor and started bumping into other containers.

940
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: I could hear beeping noises and somebody calling out numbers. Finally,

941
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: someone said everything, tag the pilots of the information they need.

942
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: Then the voices disappeared, and I heard the door closed.

943
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: We taxied on the runway for a while, and I

944
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: knew it was too late to turn back. After about

945
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, I removed the slats from my crate and

946
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: squeezed myself out. I noticed some NBCTV equipment when I

947
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: walked around a couple of feet within the container. I

948
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: was happy to be going home, but I was nervous.

949
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: He gets out of the crate, gets.

950
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: Out of the crate. That moment of like I knew

951
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: it was too late to turn back.

952
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: That's terrify you said that I had this sense of

953
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: shows like I had that feeling You're locked in now,

954
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: there's no way I can go back.

955
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: You just can't.

956
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: Got to commit now, hold on, but exactly.

957
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: Now, it wasn't a street shot from Newark to Dallas. No,

958
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: he went from Newark to Buffalo.

959
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: That's the wrong direction, right the.

960
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: Wayne Indiana?

961
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: Oh my god, did he gets stuck somewhere where it's cold? Oh?

962
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: I know?

963
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: And then then he's put on a plane to Dallas.

964
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: So he left Indiana.

965
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: He left New York at four pm on September fifth,

966
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: and he gets into Dallas at seven am on September seven,

967
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: So it could have been a whole off overnight. Yeah,

968
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: that actually sounds like the New York at four arriving

969
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: Dallas at seven am the next day. Kind of sounds

970
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: like the classic Southwest multi stop cheapo. Like, yeah, taking

971
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: this right exactly. I mean that's the thing too. Guy's

972
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: like twenty five, right, think about when you're twenty five dumb?

973
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: So many ways I had to like suffer for my choices.

974
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: Like now you get to go to five airports because

975
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: you wanted to wait the last minute to fly on

976
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: the holiday thirty dollars money. So here you go. Yeah,

977
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: enjoy Midway Airport.

978
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: I hope you like Baltimore, but like, Okay. So he's

979
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: bouncing around, but unlike if you're in one of those

980
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: Southwest flights, he's not sitting in like a warm enclosed

981
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: cabin or killing time at a Hudson News paying eight

982
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: bucks for a bag of gummy life savers. No, he's

983
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: in the cargo area. Quote. The second plane was hell.

984
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: That's when I really wanted to get it out. It

985
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: was so cold. When we stopped at Fort Wayne, I

986
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: could hear dogs barking in the warehouse, and I felt

987
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: like I sat there for hours. I could see a

988
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: US Customs building and other containers heading for huge scanners,

989
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, that's it. I'm gonna get caught. Yeah,

990
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: but I was one of the first palettes to be

991
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: put on the plane. I began to feel sleepy, and

992
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: when I woke up we landed, I just knew we'd

993
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: made it to Dallas. You can just feel it when

994
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: you're home.

995
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 2: Three things the dogs not I'd be worried they'd be barking.

996
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: How did these dogs not smell the sweaty.

997
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: Guy in what I was wondering, are they like police

998
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: dogs or are they dogs being shipped somewhere?

999
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: If sniffing dogs.

1000
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: It could be like, you know how people are dogs,

1001
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: they thought. I wondered that when I read the quote.

1002
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: Who And then also the second one, when you start

1003
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 2: to feel sleepy nervous about the carbon monoxide, like.

1004
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: Do not get sleepy, force yourself slap in the face.

1005
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: So I've yes, I've actually done that caused physical pain

1006
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: for an hour to keep myself yes exactly. And then

1007
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: third the feeling like I'm in Texas, Like you just

1008
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: feel like I'm in Texas. I can send it. I

1009
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: came down through the clouds and I in Texas.

1010
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: Well you know here home connection but yees, So he did.

1011
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: He made it to Dallas to go, and then he

1012
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: was put on a truck and that truck made it's

1013
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: weighted to Sodo. And here's how he tells it, quote,

1014
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: my mom signed for the crate. My mom signed for

1015
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: the crate at the front door. The driver climbed back

1016
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: into the truck and backed it into the alleyway at

1017
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: the side of my house. Suddenly, as he was letting

1018
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: the lifting gate down. The slats fell out of my crate.

1019
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: I quickly leaned out and picked them up. But as

1020
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: he came around the back he saw me peeking through

1021
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: the gaps. He just let out this sigh and said,

1022
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: oh man, such a So his mom and dad are

1023
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: there watching the whole thing, and quote, my dad said,

1024
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: this is like something you see on TV. Mom just said,

1025
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what you've done, and I don't want

1026
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: to know, but you'r home and safe now.

1027
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: It's such a perfect text of dance. Is really the

1028
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: whole South? Yeah, New York City.

1029
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: The problem was to New York City.

1030
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: You come back selling yourself in a box.

1031
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: Look at you. The problem was the snitch delivery driver.

1032
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 2: Oh, because nobody would have known the cops that.

1033
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: So they took their sweet time.

1034
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: Though, is he just mad?

1035
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: I guess he's a security security comes out, Yeah, they'll

1036
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: be like, oh you didn't notice when.

1037
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: Itself.

1038
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: So the cops though, like they took forever. Charles had

1039
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: time to come inside, get settled, take but when he

1040
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: comes out, he's all fresh, clean changed. There's two DeSoto

1041
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: ped officers in his living room and they grilled him.

1042
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: They said he was lying. They said he wasn't telling

1043
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: him everything. They said he was a terrorist. They said

1044
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: he planned to like pop out of the crate and

1045
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: choke out the pilots.

1046
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: They stand where the box.

1047
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: Was about this though, two thousand and three. This happened

1048
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: after the towers.

1049
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: Still, Oh, I had not put that together the whole time.

1050
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: There's no joking around aloud, that crying out of new Yeah.

1051
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: So they locked Charles up for a.

1052
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: Month, Homeland Security didn't come to his house.

1053
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: Well that's what I think. Eventually happened. He gets charged

1054
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: with ten felonies, ten terrorism charges up the who hot

1055
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: and eventually he was able to shed all but one

1056
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: of them.

1057
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: Good.

1058
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: So February fourth, two thousand and four, he pleaded guilty

1059
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: to a charge of misdemeanor stowaway and he got four

1060
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: months house arrest and a fifteen hundred dollars fine that

1061
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: he avoided fifty years. Yeah, gitmo, So four months house

1062
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: arrest not so bad at all. His dad, a chemical engineer,

1063
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: had to pay seven thousand dollars in restitution to UPS

1064
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: for what that was?

1065
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: My I have no ideas therapy.

1066
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: Paid who cares? Damn who knows? And it got the

1067
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: conversation going about screening cargo because like you know, and

1068
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: that pops up every now and then about how uh,

1069
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, how folderable we are in terms of cargo

1070
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: and they don't scan that kind of stuff. So Charles

1071
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: when he spoke with the Guardian newspaper in August of

1072
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, he was working at the local

1073
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: walmart and he told the paper quote, I'm being flown

1074
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: to Japan next month by a TV company. They want

1075
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: to interview me and do a reenactment of what happened.

1076
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how much money I'm getting for it.

1077
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: My lawyer's dealing with that. There's also an appearance on

1078
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: the Oprah Winfrey Show in the works. I know they'll

1079
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: make a joke about it like everyone else, but I'm

1080
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: used to it now. And you know what, though the

1081
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: whole mess wasn't over.

1082
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 4: No.

1083
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: In fact, around the time that he said he was

1084
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: used to it, he really wasn't. House arrest means you

1085
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: have to stay at the house. He has to stay

1086
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: at his parents' house.

1087
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: Did they like change his ankle or not? You know,

1088
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 2: he cut on the monit.

1089
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed to leave the area without permission from

1090
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: the court. Okay, you know that's house arrest. So but

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Speaker 1: at the end of August two thousand and four, he

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00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: got stopped by Georgia police after failing to pay for

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Speaker 1: gas at a station.

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Speaker 2: That's the wrong state, Elizabeth.

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00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: Right, bah bah bus states away. Yeah. So in two

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00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: thousand and December two thousand and four, just four months later,

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Speaker 1: Charles he's in court for this on the probation violation charge.

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00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: He apologized to the US magistrate for leaving the state.

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00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: He said that it was partly to escape the notoriety

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00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: that surrounded his case. So here he's saying like, oh,

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00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm used to it. No you're not.

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00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: Also, if you would have stayed inside your house, you

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have gotten the notoriety unless you the news,

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00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: turned the TV or whatever turn.

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00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: The radio, wanted all the reporters.

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00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: Outside your home in Desoda.

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00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he he had to do a little bit

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00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: of time for that.

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00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: I don't believe this kid, but he tell me he

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00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: gives quotes to the press. They always sound like he's

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00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: trying to portray himself in a certain light.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, I couldn't find anything on him

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00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: after that, which I'm going to take a good sign.

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00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: I want that to be a good thing. Stay out

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00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: of the papers, y'all.

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00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: There little line.

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00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for this kid unless he like milkshake ducks,

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00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: in which case I wash my hands of the whole thing.

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00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: Definitely. And I'm hoping that he goes back to Texas

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00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: in a way that it returns him to his roots

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00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: in some way that's beneficial for him.

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00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he has something fulfilling.

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00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: Some purpose, happiness in the room.

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00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: We've all been in our mid twenties, and oh boy.

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00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm surprised I survived my twenties, honestly. And then I'm

1126
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: also surprised that I've survived just as long as I have.

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00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: But I mean, like my twenties in particular, that was

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00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: a lot of like rough businessman. Why would you think

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00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: that would be a good anyway? What's your takeaway the

1130
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: graph Zeppelin? Like, no, actually strike that. I think it's

1131
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: Keith the Irish kid, like out of him being like

1132
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: lippy And then like I just something, I really want

1133
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: to see his portray. I'm gonna I'm gonna check that documentary.

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00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: I'd like to see them done up as like a

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00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: TV movie or something. Well, they just like to see

1136
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 2: some child actors.

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00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: I know that that story has been options.

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00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: It's it's right. I mean, that is so mazing, like

1139
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: a fun I mean not like obviously an A twenty

1140
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: four movie. This is gonna be a little bit more mainstream,

1141
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: middle of the road, but that's a fun. Yeah.

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00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: The Irish papers had stories on the on the story

1143
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: getting option for production, and then I tried to trace

1144
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: it and I couldn't see.

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00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of stories get options, of course. Yeah,

1146
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 2: who knows, what is Elizabeth? What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: Right? All of these people are so charming to me.

1148
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: You did a good job of finding, you know, because

1149
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: there are some not so charming ones.

1150
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: Last guy maybe a little worried. I was constantly worried

1151
00:56:59,280 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: about it.

1152
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for all of them. But yeah, they're all

1153
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: really fascinating characters. So I was I was pleased with

1154
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: that that I didn't have anyone that I have to

1155
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: be like, we're.

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00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: Going to skip over this part.

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00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Dave, I need to talk back.

1158
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: I got one for you.

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00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he went.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Sarah, Elizabeth, producer, Dave Interns and all those who

1161
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 4: are responsible for the Ridiculous Crime Podcast. Thank you for

1162
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 4: bringing so much laughter in my life right now, especially

1163
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 4: when things are tough. You also remind me that those

1164
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 4: who are making it tough for me are going to

1165
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: be in your show sometime in the future. Can I

1166
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: wait to listen to their stories? Thank you.

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00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: I love that guarantee.

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00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: This is the thing, like we've we've got to thank

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00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: you Dave for giving us a lot of love on

1170
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: the talkbacks this week. True, but I think we need

1171
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: to be very gentle with each other. And I think

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00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: this is another thing that I've always said, not even

1173
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: when times are distressing, but it's always really important that

1174
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: if you if you enjoy something either about media that

1175
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: you consume or also just about people that you know,

1176
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: tell them.

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00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the little shop owner you see all the time,

1178
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: let him know I was looking forward to seeing you, yeah, Or.

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00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: Just like there's so I have a friend who every

1180
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: time I see her, she just makes me smile. And

1181
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: I told her that once, and it's like, every time

1182
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: I see her, she just tells me how much it

1183
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: means to her. And so it's like, when you have

1184
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: those feelings, you got to share them. That's how we survive.

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00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: And as a guy. I gotta say to you men

1186
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: out there, you know how rarely you get complimented. Try

1187
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: to compliment a man because I think they're doing a lot.

1188
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying like we should all compliment man.

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00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I said, guys, you should compliment

1190
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: a man. We should all look at each other.

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00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: Come.

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00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean meaningful, not in some bs.

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00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: You mean it s so excellent? Yeah, I tell you

1194
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: we're shutting dark, Elizabeth. We're gonna go to positive sunshine.

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00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: Elizabeth can hear against all delusion?

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00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: Me.

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: God, I love a good delusion.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today. You can find us online at

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