WEBVTT - Fight Everywhere Or Lose Everything | Steve Schmidt & Former Washington State Governor Jay Inslee 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:11.440 Good afternoon. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.680 It's Steve Schmidt with the Warning, pleased again to be 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.079 hosted by the Save American Movement, and we're joined this 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:19.479 afternoon by. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.160 The eighth term member of Congress. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.759 The three term governor of the great State of Washington, 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.520 Jay Insley. And one of the things I like about 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:35.280 these conversations is when you talk to somebody who served 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.840 for eight terms in Congress, who served for three terms 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.240 as governor of a state, and could have gotten elected 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.479 to a fourth term, and that is no small feat. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.920 In today's day and age, there's a lot of things happening, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.480 and it's great to talk about some of the eminences 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.440 to some of the eminences of the party who don't 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.880 have any thing to run for anymore. And we'll tell 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.319 you like it is one hundred percent of the time. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.160 Governor, welcome, Thanks for having Steve. Appreciate it. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.520 There's a terrible tragedy unfolding in the state of Washington. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:20.400 It's really an extraordinarily magnificent state. The beauty of it 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.640 beyond my ability to put into words. But one of 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:29.000 the really special regions of it Eastern Washington. It's the 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.360 part of the state that gets less press attention than 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.800 the West, the big city Seattle. These are the rolling 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:40.120 hills of the Polue and the city of Spokane has 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.680 suffered terrible, terrible damage. Can you tell the warning audience 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.560 to Save America Movement audience what's going on in eastern 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:53.600 Washington and where people can go to help, and we'll 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.880 put that up here by the time we get to 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.040 the to the end of the program. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:05.080 So Spokane, Washington, home of again Zaga Bulldog's birthplace of 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:10.480 bing Crosby, beautiful dynamic community is really we've lost six 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:15.799 hundred or seven hundred homes in this catastrophic fire. There 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.280 are actually three fires burning that have threatened the city. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:24.160 These are fires that burn in grass and bush and 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:29.480 to some degree some pine trees. And Spokane now is 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:35.640 joining the list, unfortunately, of the rolling catastrophe that is 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:43.320 climate changes in the Western United States of Lehina, Hawaii, Altadena, California, Paradise, California. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:48.720 It's just now joining that list and it's devastating. We're 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.079 just talking about Steve before we started. You know, when 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:55.600 you have tragedy, individual tragedy is enough when a person 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.400 gets ill or you lose them, but these are whole 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.040 communities that have been eliminated to some degree of huge 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:07.480 neighborhoods and centers of communities. And it's not alone. Unfortunately, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.320 just down the road three years ago, a little town 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.960 called Molden was wiped out. Eighty percent of all the 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.600 homes were burned down in Malden, Washington, totally eliminated the 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.760 core of the whole city. So Spokane is experiencing that 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:26.120 type of catastrophe. We appreciate everybody's help to the extent 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.880 they can. We hope we get some federal help, which 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.360 unfortunately we have not got from the federal government recently. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:33.680 We hope that the federal government is going to do 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.160 its job and help these homeowners rebuild and community rebuild. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.960 That remains to be seen. We don't know if there's 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.960 been a loss of life yet, so to that degree, 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.560 we hope that we've had some luck. But it is 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.680 an unfortunately exhibit a of what we face in the 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.200 Western United States now. Given the aridity and temperature that 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.560 is unprecedented, these fires are it's hard for us to 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.000 understand if you've never fought a fire, I've actually fought one. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:11.119 The intense heat and rolling flamethrower effect. The firefighters will 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.000 tell you that what used to be a fire that 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:19.080 you could manage, you could slow down with aircraft and personnel. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:24.440 Digging trenches doesn't cut it anymore. These are unmanageable fires 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.400 because they're like flamethrowers and there's no human intervention. And 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.640 that's what we're facing, unfortunately in the Western United States 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.160 and in Spain and France and other places right now. 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.800 So that's what we face at the moment. And I'm 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.560 going to be doing all I can to help this 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.800 community rebuild, which it will, but it's slow. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.880 Governor, has this not been declared a federal disaster? 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.880 I believe it has, at least in the first instance. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.679 The first stage of this is where you actually allow 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.359 to actually be a coordinating agency. So that first step 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:08.480 in the recovery process has been accomplished, and that's good, 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.799 but there are many morning more steps where we'll need 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.360 federal government to step in. And to be honest with 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.280 you that you know, this is called the warning and 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:22.120 there is a warning here that unfortunately the current administration 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:28.799 has willfully denied aid to these families in many places 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.240 in the United States because they happen to be represented 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.120 by folks in the blue side of the team, and 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.080 I experienced this in Malden when this town burned down 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.159 just you know, fifty sixty miles south. This spookan. The 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.400 whole town was eliminated, but the President refused to give 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.080 us any aid. And the tragedy of this was so 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:53.920 disturbing because more than you know, sixty seventy percent of 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.800 the people this little town voted for Donald Trump, and 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.040 then he turned around and refused to help him. And 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.800 we hope that is not the situation Spokane. We hope 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.080 that there will be voices that are loud enough to 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:12.360 shame the administration into helping. And so that's what our 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:12.920 hopes are. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:18.599 As a political leader who has been elected as many 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:31.680 as up we're testing alarms here today. Excuse me, as 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:36.279 a person who has won a lot of elections, what 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.920 is it that you would say if you were walking 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:44.560 into a room full of people eighty percent of whom 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:51.000 voted for Donald Trump, who were just thoroughly betrayed by him. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.200 And I say that, and we're going to talk about 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.680 some other issues. I grew up in New Jersey and 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:02.200 so I am not surprised by that, because there's been 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:10.360 no working class guy, no small businessman, ever that Donald 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:15.440 Trump hasn't screwed over in the building of anything that 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.800 he's ever been involved in. But what would you go 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.200 in tone temperament? 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:23.520 How do you. 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:27.200 Persuade these people? I mean, calling them stupid is not 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:32.640 a smart strategy. Judging them doesn't seem to work, though 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.400 a lot of Democrats have become expert at that. What 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.400 is it that you say to. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.280 Well, first off, I really appreciate your first comments that 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:49.920 neither judgment or works in any discussion like this, you know, 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.120 in to some degree, I suppose maybe some Democrats have 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.320 fallen victim of that because you know, we saw it 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.600 coming and others did not, unfortunately. But what I would 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.240 say is to try to be future focused and try 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.240 to help people get to a place where they look 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.240 to the future, namely like, you know, we had this 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.000 past and he did terrible things to you, unfortunately, and 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.840 at the moment continues to do that. But to help 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.880 people discover their agency about what we do about this now? 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.600 And I think one of the things the leadership is 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.640 to help people recognize their ability to influence their future, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.080 to get them to at least consider how are you 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.840 going to solve this problem now? Well, Frankly, the most 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.480 obvious one is you're going to vote for candidates who 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.040 will not be subservient to him, who will not jump 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.400 when he says jump, who will call a spade a spade, 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.640 and will call him to account when he violates the 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.120 law and the constitution, and to look for candidates who 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.760 will do that. And that could be on either side 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.360 of the agenda. If you know, if you can find 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.480 a Republican who will do that, look for a candidate 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.880 who will do that. It's rare or non existent unfortunately 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.960 at the moment, but you got another party candidates too 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.200 that are available to do that. So I guess what 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.480 I would say is to try to help people look 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.600 to the future and to find their agency and their 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.640 voice and their power and empower them and actually get 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.520 people to understand their power. I actually this is one 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.600 of the things that certainly I've experienced, that people feel 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.960 they can't influence the dialogue or the events or an 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.920 election when they actually can. And I tell stories about how, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.480 you know, one guy stood up and took a position 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.920 and eventually got Congress to pass the law. That happened 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.960 to me when I was young. Congress from one guy 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.960 wrote a letter about how the banks were stealing our 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.400 private information one guy. It ended up a federal law 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.280 that we could stop banks from doing that. So I 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.440 just try to empower people. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.720 When you talk about empowering people, you look out at 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.040 the Democratic Party right now, less than one hundred days 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.200 out from a midterm election, where really the only question 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:11.080 I think matters is putting a check on Donald Trump's 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.720 power in this moment. But come back to that in 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:20.200 a second. You have both the Senate leader right now. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.000 I don't think he'll be the Senate leader for very long, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.200 but for now, he's the Senate leader and the House leader. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.840 In a giant country. I think it's hard if you 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:35.040 live in Brooklyn to conceptualize how big Washington State alone is. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.000 But in a giant country, both congressional leaders live within 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.959 eight blocks of each other in Brooklyn, and every person 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.280 ninety five percent of them that we see on television 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.320 talking about politics, they all live within twenty blocks of 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:56.960 each other in Manhattan or in Washington, DC. And I 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.360 would argue, and have argued, the Democratic Party is a 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:08.200 great national party that no longer functionally is a national party, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.800 doesn't really exist in the Mountain West, and it doesn't 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.760 function in the Deep South. You have two fantastic candidates, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.720 Jamie Davis in Louisiana running for the Senate, Scott Column, 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:25.120 a black prosecutor in Mississippi. And I think when you 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.360 think about Fanny new Hammer, you think about MegaR Evers, 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.320 I think there's a moral obligation for the Democratic Party 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.520 to raise the banner there and say we're here to 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.600 the last dog dies. As Bill Clinton used to say, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.680 We're gonna We're gonna be here until we till we win. 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.520 So many of these issues that. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:52.280 We're talking about, the concept of there's drought across the West, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:58.679 forest management, these are not issues that exist in Brooklyn. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:11:59.600 Uh. 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.240 These are not issues that exist in in large measure 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.720 in our urban areas on the on. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:07.560 The east coast. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:12.280 What does the Democratic Party need to do to put 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:16.480 a Western face on it to be able to communicate 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.040 to people in the Inner Mountain West again, in the 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.160 in the deep Deep South? What how do how do 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.160 you think about that? Is governor of Washington, you represented 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.600 two distinct sections of the As a congressman, you represented 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.360 two distinct areas of the state. We were talking about 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:38.359 that before the show. But Washington State is not Seattle. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:43.280 This is a agricultural state, this is a timber state. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.960 There is a natural resources state. There's an agricultural state. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.319 It's a technology state, of course. But but but talk 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.720 about when you when you hear people saying we're gonna 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.679 build data centers in a corner of Utah twice the 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.160 size of Manhattan, where there's no water in the west, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:06.040 where the Colorado River states are drawing down their compact flows, 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.000 and all of this is tied in together with what 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.360 we're with, what we're talking about. What do you counsel 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.520 democrats on that question? 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.160 Well, first off, I would say that there's some really 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.520 positive things happening on this score that you've identified. You 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.760 look at some of the candidates that are rising to 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.240 the top right now that have found a way to 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.599 do this. You look at Rob sand who's running for 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:34.480 governor of Iowa, who is a fantastic, just individual who 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.920 connects with people, who focuses on his hunting and fishing 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:44.120 to connect with Iowa voters, who has a tremendous theme 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.760 that he talks about. How he says, you know, in Iowa, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.600 we found what works is you need to rotate the crops. Well, 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.840 we need to rotate the crops of the people. Who 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:59.720 are you know, leading Iowa. And so some individual talent 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.480 a Rico in Texas, which is you know, maybe leading 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.720 right now in Texas, who is a found to connect 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.680 with people kind of culturally in a surprising way because 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.640 of his faith based, you know, value system that he is. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.520 He's found a way to connect with Texas voters like that. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.280 You look at Kelly in Kansas who really understood so 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.840 many down home issues, Grisham, you know in New Mexico, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.680 who understands the power of clean energy. And right now 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.680 there is a fantastic opportunity for the state all over 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.120 or for the Democratic Party all over the country on 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:37.400 these data centers as a challenge to these communities, because 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:43.520 people are very angry at the sort of rolling failure 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.360 to listen to local communities and the development of data 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:52.240 centers on three respects. Number one to still threaten their 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.120 ability to get electricity off the grid with not having 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.280 adequate protections to insist that the data centers do not 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:06.280 end up causing rate increases of consumer users in the grid, 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.080 and there are inadequate protections against that. Second, there are 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.120 there are health issues that people are very concerned about 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.280 on pollution. And this is a really sad fact right 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.480 now that I think there's like eighty data centers right 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.760 now that are that are in the process of building 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:29.520 gas turbine powered plants, which cause massive pollution, and unfortunately 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.720 Trump has loosened the protection against air pollution. And these 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:37.239 people are now living in suburban neighborhoods breathing nitrogen oxygen 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:42.360 and nitrosoctions and particulate matter, not to mention the climate 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.400 gases that are coming off these FEISO fuel places. In third, 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:52.760 there is an emerging concern about the AI dominance of 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.360 what it's doing to some of our businesses and employment 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.720 opportunities in privacy that so all those things are tremendous 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.640 opper tunity for Democrats. And I'm pleased to say that 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:09.400 the Democrats are the most health oriented and I think 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.440 most strategic and responding to those concerns, and I think 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.600 you're going to see Democrats win on this issue of 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.320 data center protection against this. You saw it in Virginia 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:24.240 and New Jersey where our two governors really did talk 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.240 about providing protection in this score that were so successful, 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.960 you know, and you see what's happening in Georgia with 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.720 our two great senators. So I think that we are 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:38.640 seeing the emergence of new leadership in some of these areas. 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.360 When you look ahead now to twenty twenty eight, I 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.600 think this is going to be a very fast starting 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.320 presidential election cycle. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:50.920 It's going to come right out of the gate. 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.680 After the mid terms, we'll start to see that democratic 0:16:55.760 --> 0:17:02.320 field take shape. I've said at I think you know 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.000 you it's tough if you if you're a baseball fan, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.359 you have to you have to give everything a number. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.320 Every everything has its rank. So an Aaron Judge is 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:14.640 a number two right behind show he Otani is as 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.560 great as he is. And so I I tend to 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.439 look at these Democratic candidates or prospective ones on in 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.680 terms of who I hope will run, who I think 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:25.280 can do it? 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.840 Uh, that that has the skill level. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:32.800 I'm pretty impressed right now with John Ossoff and and 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.800 and I think I was amongst the first to start 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.640 saying about a year ago, uh, this is somebody who 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.439 has a lot of talent, you know, publicly in that 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.640 space as a presidential candidate. I think Andy Basheer, the governor, 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.760 the governor of Kentucky, and and I think if you 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:54.720 have to, if you have to start ranking governor versus senator, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:59.360 I think advantage goes to the governor, the Washington outsider. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.560 The more the more clear one. Uh. 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:06.040 I think Pritzker has been impressive over the last two years. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:06.840 Uh. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.720 I think that Gavin Newsom, you know, certainly is somebody 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.560 who has a lot of lot of political uh, a 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.680 lot of political skill has been has been in the fight. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.760 Who are who are some of the other people that 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.600 when when you look out and and you you see 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:27.280 his prospective candidates not not looking for an endorsement, you 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.160 know that that share. You know, what I would say 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.560 is Carbal's position, my position, which is run. I hope 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:37.240 Ramammanuel will run. I think that's an important voice in 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:42.000 the in the in the party. I hope Jason Crowe uh, 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.920 the Colorado congressman uh will run. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:46.320 Uh. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.320 I'd like to see a really a really big field 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.399 anybody else out there that that you look at and say, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.280 I'd like to see them as a candidate, see what 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:56.159 they got. 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:01.200 Well. I would encourage anybody who has a and credibility 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:05.200 to run this year because it's an open field to run, right, 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.040 So if you're an open field runner. There's a lot 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.280 to run on, and I think that that you have 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.400 candidates that who may be you know, in the two 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.240 or three percent polling right now, It could end up 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.240 being very credible candidates. You know that happened with Pete 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.960 Budachez when I ran for president twenty twenty, who caught 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:26.240 fire and became a top tier candidate. You got Senator Kelly, 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.439 you know, who is an incredible talent and has a 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.040 story to tell. It's incredibly unique of his personal story. 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.720 You have Wes Moore, who's just a really young talent. 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.240 Andy Basher has such a unique story to tell from 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.800 his both biography and how he's done in his state. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.639 So I would say there's multiple other candidates, and I 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.840 think it is an entirely open field. I will say this, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.800 and I know that this sounds like, you know, just 0:19:54.880 --> 0:20:00.560 one political hack talking about his friends. I there is 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.119 a lot of talent in this field. You know, I 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.960 was governor for twelve years. I've been around the block. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.560 I was in Congress in fourteen. There's like a half 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.040 a dozen of these candidates who I think could be 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:16.040 very very successful presidents in the United States. And I 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.520 know that might be maybe people won't give a lot 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.400 of credibility to that. But I've actually never been as 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:26.760 impressed with the field as this perspective one. And I was, 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.159 it's just a very strong field and it's unpredictable. I 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.439 like the fact that our first primary is now in 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.000 South Carolina. I think that helps the party identify someone 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.360 who can appeal to the broad demographics of the country 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:46.120 earlier will be productive or could be productive. We've got Nevada, 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.359 so we've got a Western voice. I think the current 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:52.040 primary setup is going to help us really find the 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:53.560 right person. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.919 When when you look out of the field and you 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.760 see some of these can that it's asoff in AOC 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.359 who have a lot of attention I was. I was 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:13.360 quite outspoken about Biden's broken promise. I predicted the catastrophe, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:16.160 what it would do to his legacy. 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:17.040 Uh. 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.200 I think it's a I think it's a tragedy for him, 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.800 for the for the country. Uh. But eighty two was 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:31.320 too old. Eighty six is absurd, Uh for for an 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.600 age for the president of the United States. Let me 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.720 let me ask you this. It's forty two young. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:40.800 No, you know, I grew up in the age of 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:41.320 John F. 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:46.720 Kennedy and I forty three, not forty in a in 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:58.160 a in a combat veteran who was a well traveled journalist, 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:05.240 a old soul. I see aspects of that character which 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:11.000 you could attribute to Kennedy in as off who's connected 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.639 through his through his service to John Lewis, there's a 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.520 there's a heaviness about him and I and I just 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:26.680 you have kids. I got kids, right, I'm fifty five. 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.119 I've grown a lot between forty and fifty five. I 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:36.000 just but Teddy Roosevelt was forty one. That's the that's 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.600 the youngest. I mean I would certainly not be for 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.680 somebody who is thirty five, right. I can't imagine a 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.359 scenario where where I would where I would be for 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:49.600 that or comfortable with it, like forty is my is 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.440 my youngest line. I just I just throw it out there, 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.840 like you know, just to started discussion. It's going to 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.080 be talked about to y'all. 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:00.760 I think I think your comment is is well taken. 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.919 That it depends on the individual whether you've been battle 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:08.480 tested somehow in life and have overcome challenges. Have you 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:13.760 had experiences that have given you some depth, But you know, 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:15.440 you look at any Burgsure, I don't know how only 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.920 and he is actually but to see his success an 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:24.320 executive position, I consider him young. But I would not 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.000 have any problem of a person in their you know, 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.800 mid forties being our candidate at all, as long as 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:34.760 they experienced a depth. That's why I like governors, frankly, 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.480 who have been really tested at the firing line, because 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.600 when you are an executive, you go through a fire 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.600 that is very different than a legislator. And I've experienced 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:46.480 both because I was in the Congress for so long 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.280 and as a governor, it's a very different experience. That's 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.640 why I sort of lean towards governors to start with. 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.600 But you point out if John F. Kennedy, who you know, 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.440 swam two miles to save his PT crew and came 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.439 back with the grace to write Pulitzer Prize winning books 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.320 and the best inaugural speech of all time with help 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:11.000 from a sourceen. But so I don't. I'm not afraid 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:16.159 of people of that age scale. And I share your 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.240 view about the tragedy of what happened last time. I 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.479 think it was a very sad combination. Some of us 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:26.840 were concerned. We thought that the next person in line 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:32.400 was not going to be successful either, And so frankly 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.159 that's the concern that I had. It turned out to 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:39.520 be the case. So huge tragedy. But now I tell 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:43.679 you the country is ready for an enormous potential wave 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.720 to regin in this madness, and I'm giving you some 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.760 good news about that. It is incredibly strong. You look 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.240 at the election results last night in my state, which 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:58.480 portend a wave of election. There's no guarantees here, right, 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:03.199 so you know, maybe who knows, But at the moment, 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.040 it looks to me like we're going to have a 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:11.879 mechanism of constraining Donald Trump to some degree. I believe 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:15.080 that as highly likely, and we will I hope will 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:17.200 be effective in that regard. 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:23.480 I will lay something out and have an honest conversation 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:29.000 about it. I was a Republican. I was a member 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:33.439 of the party for twenty nine years. I worked in 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.560 politics at the highest level that you could you could 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.800