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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Training Camp Cast. The Patriots Training

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Speaker 1: Camp Cast is your source for all the news from

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Speaker 1: Patriots training camp.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do still watch the news.

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Speaker 1: Practice is over. But the writers of Patriots dot com

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Speaker 1: have you covered well? I miss yesterday now here to

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Speaker 1: review today's practice. The writers of Patriots dot.

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Speaker 2: Com today, that would be Evan Wlizar and Paul Perillo. No,

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Speaker 2: Mike do so a rare absence for Mike in these

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Speaker 2: training camp casts. It's a it's family days family. His

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Speaker 2: boys are here, Tyson Campbell is here, so correct, all

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Speaker 2: of them, Tyson Campbell, Tyson Campbell.

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Speaker 3: The Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: So. But I will say Mike took in day twelve

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Speaker 2: of training camp before he he relieved himself of his duties.

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Speaker 2: Full pads once again. We sort of talked about that

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Speaker 2: a little bit on the normal PU program, a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a shorter maybe a half hour less, a

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Speaker 2: lot of preppara work, I would say for Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: What really stood out to me, Evan was, you know

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Speaker 2: the first team period, it's Bailey Zappy, So my guess

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Speaker 2: is you're gonna see ZAPPI to start. Then you saw

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Speaker 2: a lot of Trace MC slowly in Malie Cunningham wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be surprised to see a good, good chunk of all

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Speaker 2: three of those Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was definitely a clear line of Mac and

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Speaker 3: some of the other top receivers that he's been throwing

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Speaker 3: to regularly in these practices were going through drills either

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Speaker 3: on a separate field or just behind the guys that

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Speaker 3: are going to be playing on Thursday night, and there

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Speaker 3: was definitely a feel of Bailey Zappi's gonna start on

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Speaker 3: Thursday night for the Patriots, and you'll see some of

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Speaker 3: the exciting younger receivers. I'm sure you know, Pop Douglas

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Speaker 3: and Kashan Boody will probably be his primary receiver. So

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Speaker 3: you're not it's not like you're gonna see You're not

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Speaker 3: gonna see anybody on Thursday Night that might make the

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Speaker 3: team or have some value on the team. But it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be this the clear cut veteran starter group. It

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Speaker 3: looks like they're all gonna sit out. And actually, after practice,

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Speaker 3: Dietrich Wise basically spilled the beans. Instead of yeah, he

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Speaker 3: said he's not going to play. And if he's not playing,

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Speaker 3: then that the domino effect. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, one guy semi regular guy I would say,

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Speaker 2: is Taekwon Thohnton. I think you could get some of

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Speaker 3: I don't know how long Zapi's going to play, but

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Speaker 3: I would think that as long as Zappi is out

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Speaker 3: think the interesting thing with Taekwon is he's I don't

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Speaker 3: of another word besides demoted honestly to a secondary group

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Speaker 3: of receivers and not with those frontline guys. But he

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Speaker 3: is popping in those reps that he's getting now. I

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Speaker 3: would like to see him against a Christian Gonzales for example,

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Speaker 3: noticed that his speed and his ability to create separation

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Speaker 3: with that speed has given no pun intended the emre

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Speaker 3: speeds and Isaiah Boldens of the world some problems. So

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't surprise me if if Taekwan sees some run

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no question he should get an opportunity. He's

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Speaker 2: gonna be playing against some guys that probably are fighting

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Speaker 2: relations department was efforting to try to get him to

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Speaker 2: media availability. It was a rap. Okay, so unless it surprises, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Still no time Montgomery, still no cold. Strange, you know,

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Speaker 2: much fun. I agree. It looked like Trent was pretty rusty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yesterday he was a part of the walkthrough at

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Speaker 3: So definitely a ramp up in participation for him. And

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Speaker 2: And one other thing I'll add before we put a

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Speaker 2: the one on ones makes a lot of sense. They're

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Speaker 2: Interesting to hear how each of those guys talked about

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Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't really slow down, which is probably

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Speaker 2: a little bit rare for a rookie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, his route running is fantastic. It really does

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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of these speed guy sometimes,

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Speaker 3: and his ability to do that definitely stands out. I

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Speaker 3: think the one thing with him and not to you know,

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Speaker 3: rain on the parade. You know, I'm a pop Douglas guy.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about you, induce, but just smack me around

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Speaker 3: every day. Let's just wait until we see it in

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Speaker 3: great that he's a one on one darling. It's great

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Speaker 3: real football. And one on one. I think this is

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Speaker 3: him a superstar just because he's going out there and

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Speaker 3: to see him on Thursday night because I want to see. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we see the traits, we see the skill, and we

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Speaker 2: So you guys can continue to listen to Mike and

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Speaker 2: Paul about Tomorrio Douglas. If you want to stay excited,

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Speaker 2: if you want to get rained on the parade. I

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Speaker 3: I'm just being honest, like this is such a training

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Speaker 3: that in training camp practices where contact isn't quite as

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Speaker 2: All right, So that's going to put a rap on

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Speaker 2: not only Day twelve, but our training camp casts because

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Speaker 2: as of now there will be no more open training

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Speaker 2: camp practices. I think that could change in terms of

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Speaker 2: not sure if we'll have training camp casts for those days.

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Speaker 2: But it's been a quick couple of weeks and I

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Speaker 2: think you know, they got a decent amount of work done.

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Speaker 2: You could see the progression I think that you're looking

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Speaker 2: for that we didn't see last year. Offensively, it started

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Speaker 2: So I think if you're looking for reasons for optimism offensively,

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Speaker 2: that would be it. You're seeing the progression.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely said the progression. I would think mainly

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Speaker 2: Sorry, those hard play action with the little swing to

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Speaker 2: the back is given the defense fits. Yeah, all summer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now all of a sudden, they're starting to make

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Speaker 3: some more plays. MIKEASICKI had maybe the catch of training can.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up. Tremendous one handed catch.

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Speaker 3: One handed catch tax to test. I think there are

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Speaker 3: biggest difference between the offense this year and the offense

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Speaker 3: last year? And I just think that this year the

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Speaker 3: details look like they're they're being ironed out. It looks

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Speaker 3: like the timing and the rhythm and then also obviously

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Speaker 3: the scheme is doing what it's supposed to be doing

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Speaker 3: at most of the time. Now, I think they've looked good,

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Speaker 3: you know, the skeleton, the seven on seven looks good.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what the offensive line play looks like and

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Speaker 3: how it all comes together from there. But in terms

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Speaker 3: of the timing, the ability to get open from the

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Speaker 3: and day compared to last year.

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Speaker 2: All right, So that's Sevan Wizar and Paul Parolo that's

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Speaker 2: going to put a rap on Day twelve here in Foxborough.