WEBVTT - Stranger w/ Ellen Woglom

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 1>These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Dundun. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>I am Liza Trigger and I'm Kara Klank. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Every week we talk about an episode of Law and

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<v Speaker 2>Order SVU, the crime that it is based on, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have an amazing guest every week that was in

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<v Speaker 2>the episode we chat about. And right now we have

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<v Speaker 2>huge news to share with everybody. Yes, Kara and I

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<v Speaker 2>we're lucky enough to be invited to a Zoom bachelorette

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<v Speaker 2>party and there was a stripper on Zoom. We got

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<v Speaker 2>a Zoom stripper, and I think that's the best thing

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<v Speaker 2>that's happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, we got our own personal Bolo.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>We just told you guys last week about the world's

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<v Speaker 1>most epic bacherette party on real houses of Atlanta, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we had ourselves a virtual version of it and

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<v Speaker 1>it was really really hilarious and funny, and was my

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<v Speaker 1>toddler sort of in and out. Yeah, she was okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it was five o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another mom breastfeeding and pumping during the strip

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<v Speaker 2>tease as well, we're a varied group of women, and

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't pay for this advertisement, but we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to shout out Billy Rock Entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Rock Entertainment. If you need an online exotic dancwer,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy did so he did like honestly, he did

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<v Speaker 1>like performance art, like lyrical movement and then like and

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<v Speaker 1>then he like gets a cape. He I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>takes off his you don't see penis or anything like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think that's what anybody was like really

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<v Speaker 1>going for. But like he was really sweet. We were

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<v Speaker 1>like tipping him venmo. We had a really good time

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<v Speaker 1>in the chat. You think it's gonna be awkward. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe we just have a good group of

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriends or something, but like you think it's gonna be awkward,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was really fun. Like the chat was making

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<v Speaker 1>me die. Like everybody was being great.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was weird when he kissed his cross

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<v Speaker 2>necklace and made a movement to the Lord in the

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<v Speaker 2>sky while his while he turned his cape into a

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<v Speaker 2>skirt and showed us his butt cheeks That was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a silly moment.

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<v Speaker 1>He also was in his kitchen and there was like

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<v Speaker 1>a little placard on his table that said Blessed, so

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell he loved the Lord immediately and we

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<v Speaker 1>were all on board.

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<v Speaker 2>He also saw his treadmill. There was a garbage can

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<v Speaker 2>in the background. But my favorite part of Billy Rock,

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<v Speaker 2>besides his perfect eyebrows and body, was in the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>he went, oh, I think my roommate has some vodka.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take a shot with you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like you could have lied and said it's

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<v Speaker 2>your own vodka, Like why why did you tell us

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<v Speaker 2>you had a roommate, Billy.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't let us have a fantasy that you can

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<v Speaker 1>afford to live alone, Billy. But he was Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing. So again, then I kept thinking his roommate

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<v Speaker 1>was going to walk in. Then I kept thinking, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>the roommate's going to come home at some point. This

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a real sitcom. But you should

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Rock Entertainment. It was. It was so fun and funny.

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<v Speaker 1>So my daughter was having a full just like woke

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<v Speaker 1>up too late from a nap and was having a

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<v Speaker 1>meltdown and just needed to be with me, even though

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<v Speaker 1>my husband was home trying to take care of her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was sitting on my lap. And then but

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<v Speaker 1>for the beginning part of the bachelerette, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>the strooper came out, I was like, Okay, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to walk away. And then I just kept like popping

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<v Speaker 1>back in to like see the strooper. But then she

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<v Speaker 1>would be coming following me to be like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you looking at, mama.

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<v Speaker 2>There was also two girls driving in a car while

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<v Speaker 2>watching the shop show.

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<v Speaker 1>People were commuting. That's the beauty of the online strip

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<v Speaker 1>show bachelorette party is that you can be a girl

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<v Speaker 1>on the go and you can still attend, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was incredible. We also had dramatic injuries. Your daughter

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<v Speaker 2>got injured. I had to take my parents cat to

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<v Speaker 2>the er twice because they're so annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a really emotional week. Yeah, my daughter had

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<v Speaker 1>her first injury that drew blood where she hit her head.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very she got the glue, the surgical glue. She's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, it's like for me, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>my husband was more traumatized than anyone else. He was

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<v Speaker 1>likely I was like, I have to talk him down.

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<v Speaker 1>He's sensitive, Yeah he is sensitive, but yeah, she was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just like, you know, when you're calling plastic

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<v Speaker 1>surgeons and you're like, hy, I have a twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>month old. You wouldn't believe how hard it is to

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<v Speaker 1>get a plastic surgeon in LA to pay attention to

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<v Speaker 1>you when you're not getting your tits done.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize that cuts and scrapes lead to plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's on the face. If it's on the face,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if it's a really big laceration, like you

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<v Speaker 1>really do kind of want to get a plastic surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>so that you don't get a bad scar. She didn't

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<v Speaker 1>end up needing it. I just couldn't tell, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not a doctor, so but it was. She

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<v Speaker 1>got on the phone with my mom. My mom's a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>so I called my mom to see what to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and my mind, she was all calm and she got

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone. I showed her to my mom and

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<v Speaker 1>she goes, I got a boom boo grandma and started

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<v Speaker 1>crying and I was like, I'm gonna cry. This is

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<v Speaker 1>so this is so emotional, but it's all so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so cute. It was so cute, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was like she had calmed down. But then seeing my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>who she's not met in real life for the past

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen months. She hasn't seen my mom since she's had

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<v Speaker 1>a memory, you know, Like, so it was just cute.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice she know she still knows her grandma. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but then what happened to your cat?

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<v Speaker 2>A uti? That cat's been fucking and her thyroid was fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>But my parents are just and it's the I don't

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<v Speaker 2>blame them. Like my dad's brother died in surgery in

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<v Speaker 2>Russia in the former Soviet Union because the doctor was

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<v Speaker 2>drunk and fucked up the surgery. Oh my god. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we've just had lots like I understand his fear.

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<v Speaker 2>And then his other brother also died in surgery at

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<v Speaker 2>an older age, and so like everyone is just like

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<v Speaker 2>terrified of doctors, and they've passed it on to me,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm not appreciative of. Like I wait till it

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<v Speaker 2>is the worst case scenario before I go to the doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have friends that are like, oh, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a cough going to the doctor, and I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>had that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'ma have a cough. But I go to

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<v Speaker 1>the dermatologists every year to get chut my moles checked.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to the obgi N every year for my Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just very pro especially because health insurance is so scarce.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've had moments where I thought I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>health insurance, and so when I have it, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going, But I don't go just for like every sniffle.

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<v Speaker 2>No. And when we moved to America, the dentist tried

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<v Speaker 2>tried to convince my mom to knock all her teeth

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<v Speaker 2>out what and just get fake teeth. Yeah, And she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to keep my teeth and they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not worth it. Like they were just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>take her teeth. So they're just distrusting of medical stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And so Kat wasn't eating and I was like, let

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<v Speaker 2>me just take her, and they refused, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>finally let me, but not over and this and that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then my parents are like, listen, Lisa, we've lived

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of life and this is it. We just

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<v Speaker 2>have to say bye and let her die slowly and

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<v Speaker 2>lets the cat die of a uti yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you guys are out of control. I'm taking her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's now jumping around, running, meeting me at the door,

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<v Speaker 2>eating normally, just like living a full life like she

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<v Speaker 2>is thirteen. But they were just like, Liza, it's time

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<v Speaker 2>to let her go.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, so they distrust medicine and doctors, but

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<v Speaker 1>they also like just they just like had a They

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<v Speaker 1>just have What am I trying to say, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>They just confusing, just like an acceptance of the afterlife.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just like this is how she goes, sorry, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a I guess I have a paper cut. Good night.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a nice life.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, well, because our friend Julia, she did tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know, Russia really fucked up

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<v Speaker 2>my parents, and she goes, yeah, I guess when your

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<v Speaker 2>government is going after you and your people, it might

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<v Speaker 2>affect you a little bit. And I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're the targeted attack of the government, you might

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<v Speaker 2>it might affect your beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I watched the Americans and I always think

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<v Speaker 1>about that because they're always like, we're going to go back,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to go back, and I'm like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>you going back? You have a very nice life in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>D c they you don't brainwash their brainsh I In

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<v Speaker 2>the group chat, I revealed my dad said he'll get

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<v Speaker 2>the vaccine when Putin gets the vaccine. Like Putin's waiting

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<v Speaker 2>on something. And it's like who is Putin?

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<v Speaker 3>Who?

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<v Speaker 2>He were not even living there? Why are you?

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, Putin has the vaccine. Putin got vaccinated a

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<v Speaker 1>year ago. I met you. Like Putin is so vaccinated.

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<v Speaker 2>They're brainwashed, you know. Watching the Americans too, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you want to go back?

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<v Speaker 1>Like they'd be like, I can't wait to go back

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<v Speaker 1>with our kids. I'm like, your kids that have lived

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<v Speaker 1>a free life in America are going to love and

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<v Speaker 1>like every time they go back and they show the USSR,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks so terrible on the show. I'm like people

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<v Speaker 1>are like fighting in breadlines and like the supermarket has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing on the shelves. I'm like, yeah, get back there.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks fun anyway. I'm sure's beautiful parts of Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, and don't come for me now. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just thinking of that too.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, great, people are gonna get about our

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<v Speaker 2>anti Russia rhetoric. Putin fans are gonna what if a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of Putin people are listening too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have. We just have like Putin fans listening

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<v Speaker 1>to us. Oh wait, speaking of people that do listen

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<v Speaker 1>to us, we put out a question last week about

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<v Speaker 1>eighty as. We were like, why was Casey Novak at

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<v Speaker 1>the scene in that episode like to Eightya's go to

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<v Speaker 1>the scene? Why was Coreese doing the unassisted pull up

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<v Speaker 1>to eightas go to the scene. We have upwards of

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<v Speaker 1>five listeners who are adas, which I think is really exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>We got at least five or six messages, which means

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<v Speaker 1>that there's probably more out there. Ada's who listened to

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast, who told us varying things. Most of them

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<v Speaker 1>said there's no way in how that adas would go

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<v Speaker 1>to a crime scene because then they become a witness

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<v Speaker 1>to the crime where they could contaminate the crime scene

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<v Speaker 1>or something. But then other people were like, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some cases where they do go for walkthroughs and blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. But mostly it was that SVU is exaggerating it. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like shocked and honored that we have so

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<v Speaker 1>many ada's.

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<v Speaker 2>And our listeners are so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not used to this from the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>We posted the article we are in a magazine in

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<v Speaker 2>Ireland and people were like, that's what I like to see.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell everyone, way to go, girls, I'm like, who

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<v Speaker 2>are you guys? Can you please get on my personal

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter and start guessing me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're lifting Roppo on her personal guys, Glitter Cheese, get

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<v Speaker 1>on it. She needs this. But let's get going because

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a great episode for today. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most haunting and favorite episodes, and it's probably one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones I've seen the most times. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>it so many times. You say that every single episode

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa Haunting, you are just haunted. I know Lisa is

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<v Speaker 1>perpetually haunted, but I have seen this one like several

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<v Speaker 1>several times. All right, let's get into it. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>is stranger. It is season ten, episode eleven. We open

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<v Speaker 1>the episode with a little boy running scared down a

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<v Speaker 1>hallway like a little red Herring for the show and

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<v Speaker 1>his mom. He runs to his mom's arms and it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out it's just his aunt, Nikki is chasing him

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<v Speaker 1>in a mask and she's like, take a chill pill, mom,

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<v Speaker 1>We're just playing.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, what is that mask? A burned man?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>The mask is pretty terrifying. It is like just like

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<v Speaker 1>a ghoule mask. And then in the living room, Erica

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<v Speaker 1>and Nikki's parents are playing Wei. It's just like a

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<v Speaker 1>real sign of the times. It's just like two old

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<v Speaker 1>people playing like we baseball, And I kind of love

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<v Speaker 1>that the mom who I recognize and looked up from her.

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<v Speaker 1>IMDb plays Jesse Pinkman's mom and breaking bed. So she

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<v Speaker 1>answers the door and a girl is standing there and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, can I help you? And the girl's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's me, and then the mom doesn't recognize her, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Erica comes up behind her and notices the shamrock

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo on her hand and goes, mom, it's Heather and

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<v Speaker 1>gives her a big hug. Now he cuts to Olivia

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<v Speaker 1>and Elliot getting a scoop from another detective. Heather Hallander

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<v Speaker 1>went missing at age fourteen, four years earlier. I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't really buy the people's faces changed that much from

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<v Speaker 1>age fourteen to eighteen. But it does turn out that

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<v Speaker 1>she was much heavier when she went missing, and like

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<v Speaker 1>now is super super skinny, so that may have changed.

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<v Speaker 2>What she looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. It just seems weird. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the detective reveals that she ran Everyone thought

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<v Speaker 1>she ran away because her parents were about to ship

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<v Speaker 1>her off to Da Da dn fat camp, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what they call it in the episode. And Lisa's going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk for a second about her actual experience with

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<v Speaker 1>a weight loss camp, and so if anyone has a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with that, please fast forward a couple minutes. Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if maybe you wanted to weigh in

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<v Speaker 1>here as someone who's been a counselor at a fat camp.

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<v Speaker 2>I did work at fat camp. I would just say

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<v Speaker 2>the one I was that was immoral, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>there are some good health based ones. But they were

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<v Speaker 2>giving these kids diet doritos and making them run up

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<v Speaker 2>a hill and yeah, it was intense.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, meanwhile, what's a diet dorito?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I have some?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But what was very very cool it was the fat

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<v Speaker 2>camp that was featured on MTV's True Life, So obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>at twenty years old, I was very thrilled about all

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just like the movies like I had.

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<v Speaker 2>I found bubblegum and hair dryers and rolled up socks.

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<v Speaker 2>There were snacks like candies were everywhere I did find.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I had the teen girls, so I also

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<v Speaker 2>found bags of prescription pills that weren't allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a dark place.

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<v Speaker 2>Because our number one job was we had to walk

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<v Speaker 2>around the camp at night to make sure people weren't fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh those kids are horny. They're horny. They're horny like

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners. We so we would have to take flashlights

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<v Speaker 2>and go on nookie patrol to make sure people weren't humping.

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<v Speaker 2>And we didn't have like a baby being born at camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. See I worked at an all girls camp, so

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really have to deal with that excepted dances

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<v Speaker 1>with the brother camp. But sounds like your camp. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the population is four girls to one guy,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was just like people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the guys were raking it in. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it was a wild place. But I got fired

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<v Speaker 2>because I failed a breathalyzer and I was underage. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I had a great time in New York City after.

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<v Speaker 1>They bussed me. Yes, I always hear about your trip

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<v Speaker 1>to New York after you got fired from Vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the firing sucked and I got betrayed by my

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<v Speaker 2>co counselor, and she told on me because I was

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<v Speaker 2>wasted the night before and I was underage.

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<v Speaker 1>Judas, Judas for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>She was from Oregon, and I fucking hate her, and

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<v Speaker 2>she talked to her boyfriend on the phone every night.

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<v Speaker 2>I just it's like, let a girl be hungover. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you would want someone to get fired

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<v Speaker 2>for drinking too much at twenty years old. Yeah, for

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<v Speaker 2>being fun. It's not like I had to like six

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<v Speaker 2>year olds. I had seventeen year old girls, which one

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<v Speaker 2>of them is my friend. One of my campers was

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen years old from Sweden and she's a famous opera singer.

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<v Speaker 2>But also you're like an adult at eighteen in Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was weird, Like she was like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>these rules?

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<v Speaker 1>I can drink and live a life in Sweden.

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<v Speaker 2>But after I got fired, I was wheeled away in

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<v Speaker 2>a golf cart and she just waved to me slowly.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I got sent to New York, one of us,

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<v Speaker 1>oh and I walked on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>We had like a special event and we wrote things

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<v Speaker 2>that bother us on boards and then we broke the boards,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we burnt the boards, and then we walked

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<v Speaker 2>on the burning boards, like we got over our issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we do that when you come to La Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>burn some boards.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do it in my backyard, on my fake grass

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<v Speaker 1>where our friends already burnt a hole in my one.

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<v Speaker 1>So the detective shows them the old missing poster. You

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<v Speaker 1>see the like the missing Heather, and you're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this could be her. But this girl Heather

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<v Speaker 1>that's back now says that she's been a sex slave

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<v Speaker 1>for the past four years. So now we're at the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollanders home. Olivia and Elliott go to interview Heather and

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<v Speaker 1>she won't, like immediately come out of her room, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting a lot of attitude from Niki, the quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote screw up middle chip that she calls herself, and

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<v Speaker 1>she just freely admits that she used to call her

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<v Speaker 1>sister howther Heffer, and that that's kind of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>the day she went missing. She stormed out of the

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<v Speaker 1>house because she was upset that her sister called her

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<v Speaker 1>this name. And Nicky's like, she probably blames me for

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. And then Heather comes out and is like,

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<v Speaker 1>I never blamed you one time, and she is just

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<v Speaker 1>so self centered.

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<v Speaker 2>Your sister comes home from being a sex slave and missing,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just like, oh, so you blame me, huh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Nicki sucks. She looks like she loves Paramore, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a great band, but that's her vibe, very Avril Levine type,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Kristin Ritterer another breaking bad reference, but looks

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, punk rock. So Benson notices that Heather

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<v Speaker 1>has already showered, and Nicky's like, yeah, three times. Hope

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<v Speaker 1>no one else needed hot water. It's like, your sister

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<v Speaker 1>was a sex slave. She can shower as many times.

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<v Speaker 2>As she needs. And do you pay the water bill?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, it seems like your parents do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard response. We're definitely getting some red flag

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<v Speaker 1>vibes from Nicki. So now they're getting like their story

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<v Speaker 1>from how He Elliott and Olivia, and she says that

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<v Speaker 1>a man grabbed her. She doesn't know his name. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been with him the whole time. He made her call

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<v Speaker 1>him daddy, and he kept her in a concrete room

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<v Speaker 1>and then one day he was drunk and forgot to

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<v Speaker 1>put the padlock on the door, and she just ran

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<v Speaker 1>out into the basement up the stairs and kept running,

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't know where or how far. Then she says,

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<v Speaker 1>the last time he sexually assaulted her was yesterday. So

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<v Speaker 1>Elliott gathers her clothes and Olivia is like, what about

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<v Speaker 1>your underwear? And she's like, he never let me wear

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<v Speaker 1>any very creepy we see. There's like a long scene

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<v Speaker 1>of Heather getting her physical exam as she recounts like

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<v Speaker 1>how the man grabbed her and like what her life

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<v Speaker 1>was like in this basement, and like she said, basically

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<v Speaker 1>what happened was she after she got into the fight

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<v Speaker 1>with Nikki, she was crying in the street. A man

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<v Speaker 1>came up to her and said she was too pretty

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<v Speaker 1>to be crying. So please don't let a man say

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<v Speaker 1>that to you. We're all pretty enough to be crying.

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<v Speaker 1>You can cry whenever you want. You're too pretty to

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<v Speaker 1>cry is basically a level up from you're pretty when

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<v Speaker 1>you smile. So he lured her into this van. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get in, but he put ether or something in

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<v Speaker 1>a rag over her face to make her pass out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all she remembers is she woke up on

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<v Speaker 1>a concrete floor naked. She screamed for help, pounded on

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<v Speaker 1>the door. There was a mattress on the ground. She

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<v Speaker 1>said she just laid down and cried, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>would come in. He would lock the door from the

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<v Speaker 1>inside and like get on top of her. And basically

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<v Speaker 1>she was like, if I couldn't be nice, he'd let

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<v Speaker 1>me starve to death. And she thought she went a

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<v Speaker 1>week without eating, and it was actually two days. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that just goes to show how long we

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<v Speaker 1>think we can survive without food, but mentally it's much

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<v Speaker 1>less time. He kept her in the room the whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>no windows, no running water. He would lower a garden

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<v Speaker 1>hose down and they were like, what did you use

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<v Speaker 1>for a toilet? And she was like a lawn chair

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<v Speaker 1>with a bucket over under it, So pretty pretty horrendous.

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<v Speaker 1>They try to retrace her steps. They're in Columbus Circle,

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<v Speaker 1>which seems like I don't know, I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 2>Many confusing place in Manhattan, like besides anything downtown because

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<v Speaker 2>there's no numbers, but that's circle and how the streets

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<v Speaker 2>go with the park. I have meetings there and get

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<v Speaker 2>lost every single time.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because there's different the subways get out at different

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<v Speaker 1>points of the circle, so you don't know. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the area. I used to live near there,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know the area. But like you, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know you're north or south, you can literally just

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<v Speaker 1>end up very lost there because it is just like

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<v Speaker 1>a huge rotunda. But it doesn't strike me as like

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of neighborhood where I don't know. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're living near Columbus Circle, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could have a basement with a with a

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<v Speaker 1>sex lab and and I suppose anywhere. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm talking about. So she thinks Olivia is

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<v Speaker 1>judging her for not getting out sooner, and Olivia's like, girl, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. Heather gets really confused. There's like the camera

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<v Speaker 1>is spinning, so we kind of are like having the

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<v Speaker 1>same feeling as her of like where am I where

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<v Speaker 1>is this? Like car at car horns are beeping. It

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<v Speaker 1>starts to freak out. She's basically having like a PTSD moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and she just asks if she can do this the

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<v Speaker 1>next stay so she can be with her family. So

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<v Speaker 1>the vessidence Stabler drop Heather at home at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of X two. The press suddenly shows up and starts

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<v Speaker 1>snapping pictures of her, which I just think is like

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<v Speaker 1>so wild. I mean, do they honestly do that? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they get in the faces of like people that were

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<v Speaker 1>captured as sex slaves?

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<v Speaker 2>And like I thought there were rape protection laws where

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<v Speaker 2>you couldn't just publish photos of people that have been right, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think there are. That's what's like so wild about what

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<v Speaker 1>happens next, Like Elliott basically tells the photographers to erase

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<v Speaker 1>the photos and he kind of just moves menacingly towards

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.359
<v Speaker 1>this photographer who backs up, because I think we would

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<v Speaker 1>all back up if Christopher Maloney was coming at us

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<v Speaker 1>at a court. Let go fully in, yeah, or just

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<v Speaker 1>lean in. But you know, if he was coming at

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<v Speaker 1>you with his classic Elliott anger eyes, I think you'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably get moving. And so this guy eventually falls breaks

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<v Speaker 1>the camera, and then the next scene is Craigan reading

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<v Speaker 1>off like these demands from the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>He works for the leg but also the journal so

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<v Speaker 2>there's a journalist and a cameraman. But the journalist is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a young teen sold into sex slaver. We gotta

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<v Speaker 2>sell paper, Like do you hear the words coming out

0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.280
<v Speaker 2>of your mouth? You fucking trauma lunatic?

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.280
<v Speaker 1>And I think the new York Ledger is supposed to

0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.200
<v Speaker 1>be the New York Post like the entire time, like

0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.280
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like a CD paper that people still read.

0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.160
<v Speaker 1>But is like, really, I've said it before on the show,

0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I think the New York Post should only be used

0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.359
<v Speaker 1>to line bird cages. But Craigan's reading off like that

0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the camera costs five thousand dollars and they want disciplinary

0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.880
<v Speaker 1>action against Elliot. Elliott's like, I never touched the guy,

0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.120
<v Speaker 1>and he's right, he never did, so the guy just fell.

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.200
<v Speaker 1>But then they pull up the paper and the paper

0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.720
<v Speaker 1>says sex slave in the city as a fan of

0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 1>sex in the city. Not a cool pun, not funny, Like,

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I just don't that that's the kind of shit that

0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.280
<v Speaker 1>they put on the New York Post headlines all the time.

0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I would like to say I was in Ireland once

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.399
<v Speaker 2>and there was a store called snacks in the city,

0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:49.640
<v Speaker 2>which is a good pun.

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure sure. Heather's sister, Erica, the older sister, shows

0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 1>up at the precinct. She's pissed about the photo in

0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:01.240
<v Speaker 1>the paper. She complains about the miss person's detective. She's like,

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.560
<v Speaker 1>all they ever did was call us once a month

0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.879
<v Speaker 1>to see if we'd heard from her, and like she

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.119
<v Speaker 1>was like, I had to set up my own website

0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to get tips, so I and then they're like, oh,

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.159
<v Speaker 1>did you get any and she's like not really. So

0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.240
<v Speaker 1>she feels guilty for not going after Heather that day

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 1>four years ago. She kind of reveals that. So then

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:21.800
<v Speaker 1>we find out later that Nicki, the bitch sister, of

0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.320
<v Speaker 1>course showed Heather the photos. So now Heather doesn't want

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:25.879
<v Speaker 1>to leave the house, doesn't want to go do the

0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.360
<v Speaker 1>scene re enactment to find out where she ran from

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. Munch feels like something's up with Nicki.

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Munch gets a little bit of like a light bulb.

0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.240
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I mean, I think maybe she saw her

0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 1>sister get abducted, Like her bad behavior could be guilt.

0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:43.240
<v Speaker 2>And also with like her photo being published, her abuser

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>could see that and no like and that track her down.

0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like so fucked up and irresponsible.

0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:54.119
<v Speaker 1>It's very very fucked up. So basically, Olivia says that

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the medical exam revealed that she did have scarring from

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.919
<v Speaker 1>like long term abuse, but no fluids. No fluids were

0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 1>in the exam, but they did find semen on her dress,

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 1>so that's good. That they got some evidence, and then,

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of course, exactly the right moment, Munch gets a tip

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 1>a phone call. So Munch and Finn go to see

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 1>this priest who says he witnessed something. Munch goes, it's kosher,

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>like he always has to get a Jewish joke in

0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 1>which I love. This priest says that he's seen Heather

0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.080
<v Speaker 1>at Mass the last four Sundays and she seemed like

0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:24.600
<v Speaker 1>she was in a spiritual crisis. She was with a

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 1>man in his fifties, but it's not a man who's

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.200
<v Speaker 1>on the membership role, so they can't give him any

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.680
<v Speaker 1>identifying information about this guy. And the priest said, The

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 1>priest goes, I mean I wasn't comfortable dropping a dime.

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I was like, all right, cool, priest, what's the light

0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the lingo here?

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:39.359
<v Speaker 4>Like?

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:41.919
<v Speaker 1>So he the priest is like, should I talk to her?

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Munch is like, we got it. Olivia asks Heather if

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the man ever took her outside, and Heather like very

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 1>fervently denies it, and then Olivia asks her about the church,

0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:55.240
<v Speaker 1>and she freaks out on Olivia and tells her to leave.

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.359
<v Speaker 1>And at the precinct they're all chatting. Wong says that

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 1>albursts of rage, aren't weird abuse victim? And Munch goes

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 1>if she was abused, and it's like they already got

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the medical exam saying that she had trauma like physical

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:10.879
<v Speaker 1>like it was already confirmed that she's been abused. So

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know why Munch is being a jackass here,

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and Cragan's like, for all we know, she ran away

0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.119
<v Speaker 1>with her boyfriend. It's like, this has been confirmed. You

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 1>guys need to shut the hell up.

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 2>And you're in the special victim and you've been there

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 2>just to reminder seasons now you know.

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>They're all abused.

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I just love that there's always one arguing when

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.679
<v Speaker 2>it's been proven tie every week for a decade.

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>And then someone's like, and what about her vitamin D deficiency?

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.639
<v Speaker 1>And then Munch has like this bizarro theory about how

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:42.879
<v Speaker 1>we all have vitamin D deficiencies now because of too

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:47.560
<v Speaker 1>much sunscreen. I'm like, okay, okay. Cragan's like, our choices

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 1>are bone disease or skin cancer. You can't win. I'm like,

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.480
<v Speaker 1>you guys are so New Yorky, like you're allowed to

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 1>get ten minutes of sun a day. Wang explains that

0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Heather was totally under this guy's control, so taking her

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>out in public might have been like the ultimate power

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>play for him. And Elliot's like, why not scream in

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the church? And I'm like, do you guys remember what

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>happened to Jeffrey Dahmer's victim who escaped. Jeffrey Dahmer had

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 1>a victim who escaped, went up to two girls. He

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 1>was so drugged that he couldn't speak. The police showed up,

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>the police gave him back to Jeffrey Dahmer. So I

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>don't think that there's any guarantees that screaming in church

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 1>is going to get you saved, and it's probably going

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>to get you ultimately very punished by this person that's

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.919
<v Speaker 1>keeping you captives. So, and you know we've learned about

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 1>there is also the Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, and Whong talks

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:36.639
<v Speaker 1>about another case where the captor and the victim went

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>out and did karaoke together, so like this has a precedent,

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>you know. So then Benson gets a call that Heather

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 1>has attempted suicide. Since she goes to the hospital, they

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 1>rush her into surgery. Eventually she's okay. Olivia goes to

0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>see her and apologizes and Heather said, She's like, I'm

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 1>sorry I made you so mad. Like Olivia feels like

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>responsible for this suicide attempt, and Heather's like, I didn't

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>do this because of you. I just dreamed of being

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 1>back with my family for so long, and I feel

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>like a freak. I don't belong anywhere. Nobody's comfortable around me.

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>NICKI hates me. My mom will look me in the eye,

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and so like, Olivia tries to comfort her, and Elliott

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>goes to talk to the doctor, like any tips did

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>she say anything when she was under in a seizure

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, And the doctor mentions he goes, well,

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Heather's parents are both type A and Heather is type B,

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.120
<v Speaker 1>so there is no way she can be their child.

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And this is a classic SVU tidbit, a lesson that

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.159
<v Speaker 2>I will keep forever. But I guess right before surgery

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>or anything, they always have to ask the parent for

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>blood transfusions because there could be.

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Some cheating or adopting or whatever.

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I like that's something that I've kept with

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 2>me from this episode forever.

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 1>But they always have to check too. They always do

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:49.679
<v Speaker 1>like a rapid test on their blood test so they

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>can avoid like lawsuits. So at the top of act three,

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>here we are. There's no way Heather is the child

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of this woman because she has admitted to not having

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>any kind of like infidelities or anything. Olivia is like,

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:03.479
<v Speaker 1>how could her own family not recognize her? And then

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.439
<v Speaker 1>they talk about the age difference and the weight loss.

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't really think she looks like the old Heather.

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you, guys. So then they zoom

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 1>in on the tech like they overlay their faces first,

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>which is interesting, like her face is more like oval,

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Like even if you lose weight, your face shape kind

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>of stays the same. So and then they zoom in

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>on the tattoo and it turns out it's a mirror

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>image tattoo. It's not like you don't if you overlay them.

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>The little stem of the shamrock gos the other way.

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.160
<v Speaker 1>So Elliot's like, oh, she's a con artist. So Olivia

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:35.639
<v Speaker 1>goes to talk to Heather first and plays some.

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Passive aggressive games. I would say, Olivia is there to play, Yeah.

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. Olivia shows up. Heather's working on study guides

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>for college. It seems like a real bounce back from

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>like yesterday you tried to kill yourself and today you're like,

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>my dad says I should go to college, Like okay,

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 1>everyone deals with trauma in their own way. I was like,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>if I was in the hospital, i'd be watching SVU,

0:27:56.200 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>but you do your guides. Olivia has Heather's old clarinet

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>because we'd learned earlier in the episode that Heather was

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.360
<v Speaker 1>first chair clarinet and had actually been kidnapped the day

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>before the spring concert. So Olivia's like, play us a

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>little ditty, Heather. Then Heather's like, I don't really, I don't.

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think I could. I don't want to, like,

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and then she is like what's the story behind the tattoo?

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>And Heather's like, I got it at a tattoo parlor

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and Olivia is like, actually you didn't. Nicki's boyfriend gave

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>that tattoo to Heather and they've all got in big trouble.

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>So we're going to run this DNA and we're going

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>to find out that you're not Heather. Heather breaks down.

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Olivia's like pissed off and is like is any of

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>this real? Like why would you do this? And She's

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>like because I needed a family and they needed a daughter.

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at the Hollanders home. Erica calls Heather,

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>let's call her Feather now because she's fake Heather. So

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Erica calls Feather a rancid bitch. Nicki says, I knew it,

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and the mother knew there was a connection missing, but

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>blamed herself. And it turned out that Feather got all

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>these details from the Internet and then some of it

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 1>when she arrived from like looking at scrap books and

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>like picking up on family like chatter, and they think

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>she's an edp and emotionally disturbed person. And the family

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>wants her arrested, Like who's paying for her in this hospital?

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Like? Get her out again? Nikki, so concerned with finances.

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I do not our insurance. You are a dependent, Okay,

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>we know that you are not paying your own taxes,

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I just have never seen such a fiscally like

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 2>conservative punk life.

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah the water this hospital bed girl? Enough? How much

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>is your hair dye budget?

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 2>All right?

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>So now we are in court. Heather is being arraigned

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>one count of identity theft, one count of fraud. The

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 1>judge is Judge Andrews, who I recognize, so I looked

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>her up. The actresses named Lindsay Krauss. She's played a

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>judge on seven episodes of SBU and this was her

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>first appearance. Fun fact, she was married to the playwright

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>David Mammott and is the mother of Zosha Mammot aka

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Shirshana from Girls.

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 2>And she has Jim teacher vibes. Oh, I think she

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>has rich lady vibes. She has rich lady vibes to me.

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>She she has almost an accent of like, young lady,

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>this prosecutor is giving you an open window.

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Like maybe, yeah, I'm just going off physicality. Sure reminds

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 2>me of my junior high gym teacher.

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Is so bad with that hair. She she does have

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a short haircut and sort of a t and his tan,

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 1>which is every gym teacher I've ever had as well.

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>And honestly, I would love to have a show Shana

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>SVU episode.

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I think she would be really good. I

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know what she's doing. We should try to work

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>that out. Let's call some people. She's doing indie movies.

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 2>She's doing indie movies, but now you know, she's probably

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 2>pickling stuff. I bet she's gardening, pickling, maybe making resin necklaces. Yeah.

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Feather is living a really bad life, like basically

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 1>at court and she's like she turns around and begs

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the Hollanders, like not to do this to her. There's

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Gray Lick, my least favorite person is They're asking for

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand dollars bail and her lawyer's like, she's indigen

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>she has no money or friends or family, and Gray

0:30:58.280 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>look's like, well, if she would give a name, she'd

0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>be less of a flight risk. The judge is like,

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>this is a window for you, my darling, and Feather

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>won't do it. Erica has like a full freak attack

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>like breakdown in the courtroom and like because she's convinced

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>that Feather knows where Heather is, and you know, Nicky's

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>like she doesn't know anything, and Erica's going crazy. This

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>is at the point of the episode where I realized

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>that Erica has something I like to call Broadway face,

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I can just immediately tell that Erica is a

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Broadway star. And of course I looked her up and

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>she is two time Tony nominee Kate Baldwin, So why

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>when she was screaming, I was like, this is a

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>woman who knows how to play to the back of

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the theater, Like, so she is a Broadway gal. Wait

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>what plays was she? She was in Hello Dolly with

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>About Middler, I think, and she's been in like is

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>it Finnian's Rainbow? I think, like she's been in a

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<v Speaker 1>bunsh of.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Hello Dolly with Bet Midler twice.

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I bet you maybe, yeah, you probably saw her.

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I saw that twice. I was dying to see that,

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and I went to New York the day after it closed.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, well, I went one to previews and like someone

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 2>had a heart attack in the audience. She messed up words.

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>She it was like it was truly before the premiere.

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>It was the previews. So it was kind of a mess.

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Not really it was amazing, and you know, I cried,

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, seeing Bette Midler. But when I went

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<v Speaker 2>a few months later, I felt really lucky that I

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<v Speaker 2>got to see it a few months in and see

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Bette Midler just like fully in it fully like it

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 2>was awesome.

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm still like devastated I didn't get to see it.

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Bet Miller's like my childhood and like adulthood hero. I'm

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with her. So Munch and gray Lick basically get Erica.

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<v Speaker 1>Once she's calmed down, they get her to the precinct

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>where they kind of like revealed to her like you're

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the one that gave all this information to this girl,

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Like everything that you posted about on your blog helped

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>her build this woman, like build like a case to

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>become this your sister. So she's humiliated. Well, she kind

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 1>of calms down and is like, Okay, this isn't like

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a huge conspiracy where this girl knows where my sister

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is and like did a body snatching thing, and like

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll try to replace her. Elliot says, Sbu is taking

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.719
<v Speaker 1>over Heather's case. We're really going to try to find her.

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Olivia tracks down where Feather got the tattoo and finds

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>out that the guy who paid for it with a

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>credit card is named Carl Vasco, and he matches the

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>description that the priest gave of the man from church.

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>So they go to visit this guy, Carl Vasco. He

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<v Speaker 1>fucking runs immediately iced Tea Sucker punches him while he's running.

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, this had some of my favorite moments because as

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>he starts running, Stabler says, we got a runner. And

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 2>then when Finn punches him. He goes, we got a dropper. Yeah,

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and I liked that, Yeah for sure, lot because it's

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>not even a saying, it's just like it's just I

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I really loved it. Right.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>So Olivia does some very questionably legal police work where

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>she goes, oh, I thought I heard him come down

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>into the basement, so that she can check out the

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>basement and see if like feather story checks out. Olivia

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 1>goes down into the basement finds exactly what she had described.

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>The mattress on the floor, the tub, the lawn chair, toilet,

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>like it's all there. It's like a true, true nightmare.

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>And I know it's because these people are sadists and evil,

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:16.720
<v Speaker 2>but like, if you're gonna like hold someone captive forever,

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>why not make it nice? I never why not?

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I just so yeah, her a bed.

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I just don't get it. I mean, I get there,

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't be able to understand it, but I just

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm like her, just get some plumbing. What's the issue.

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay. So Warner says they got DNA from Vasco,

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 1>which he did not have to offer because basically Finn

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>gave him a bloody ass nose. So his DNA was

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>all over the place and it matches the semen that

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>was on Feathers dress. So Olivia's like, great, about to

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.879
<v Speaker 1>leave the room, classic Warner move where she goes, I'm

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>not finished, okay, and.

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Her curls are looking extra luscious.

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, she's got that bounce.

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Baby.

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>She ran the DNA from Feather's rape kit, found out

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:04.240
<v Speaker 1>that her name is Kristin Vusilik. She is in Kotis

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>for being kidnapped six years earlier. Her mother thought it

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>was a parental kidnapping by her husband, Carl Vusilik flashes

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>a picture of Carl Vusilik. It is Carl Vasco. So

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>he held his own daughter in a dungeon for six

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>years as a sex slave. That's like a big twist.

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Then we see a great scene that Olivia and Elliott

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>do all the time where they kind of do like

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>a good cop bad cop, they do sort of like

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>a feminist misogynist thing together where like Elliot's like, Eh,

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you're on the rag, get out of here. Let me

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>talk to my man, face to mace. Basically, what's crazy

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.839
<v Speaker 1>is when they first start questioning Carl, He's like, I'm

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>a good man, I pay my taxes, I go to church,

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I volunteer, I'm a pillar of the community. It's like what, Like,

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 1>how can you be so delusional? And then he's like,

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 1>they're like, how about your ex wife Marcy? And he's like,

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.319
<v Speaker 1>she's a shrieking, man hating, ball busting bitch, not too

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>different from some of the reviews we've gotten for this

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 1>podcast Lisa, and I'm like, oh no, she's a man

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 1>hating ballbusting bitch after being married to a prince like you,

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>How is that possible? Elliott kind of like, though gets

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 1>tries to get on his side, is like, I know

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the type. They get into a fight right in front

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 1>of him, like it's obviously a game that they play.

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>So Elliott appears like an ally and he's like, I

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to Kristin, like she's a good girl,

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>she'd never say a word about me. And then he goes,

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>where's Kristin? I want to see her, And Olivia goes

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'd like to see you castrated with a rusty

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>steak knife. Neither are going to happen, but we can

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 1>both dream, which is very similar to a line she

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>has in another episode where she goes and i'd like

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:37.959
<v Speaker 1>your balls in a blunder, But ain't life a bitch.

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>That's like a very Olivia. It's a very Olivia delivery.

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>And so then they get into a thing where Elliott's like,

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you need to take a sick day, you're on the

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:48.439
<v Speaker 1>rag and she goes, you touch me again, I'll see

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>you for sexual her husband. These two are ahead of

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>the times. So Olivia goes to talk to Kristen.

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, first she she exits the interrogation room and Craigan

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 2>acts like he just saw Yeah, whoa, guys, that was great,

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and she's like panting like She's like, yeah, that was incredible, yeah.

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Because she loved where their chemistry comes from. His scenes

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>like this where they act like they want to kill

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 1>each other and then have makeup sex. Okay, so she says,

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>So she goes to talk to Kristen in the tombs

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:20.800
<v Speaker 1>because she she's already like on her way to or

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.080
<v Speaker 1>she's in Rikers, like and she's like, I cannot let

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>this girl spend a night in Rikers after what's happened

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to her. So she explains to Olivia how she gained

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Carl's trust over time he started letting her out. She

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>had to work up the courage to run, and when

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>she got out, she didn't turn him in because she

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to kind of join the Hollander family. And

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 1>she was so ashamed of her what her father did.

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 1>And Olivia's like, why didn't you go home to your mom?

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, my mom died. My dad showed me

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.439
<v Speaker 1>the news clipping three years ago. And Olivia's like, that's

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a lie. Your mom is alive and has never stopped

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.760
<v Speaker 1>looking for you. So they let her out. She reunites

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>with her mom. Beautiful moment. Carl is romanded without bail,

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Olivia to give Kristin and Marcy the good news that

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>he's not getting bail and Kristin has gone missing. She

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 1>went to go quote unquote talk to someone and they're like, well,

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the only people she knows are the Holenders. So they

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>go to the Holenders. The mom is like a terrible liar.

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>They're like, have you seen Kristin? She's like, no, I haven't.

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Like she's just like she really cannot lie, and then

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Erica is like, wait, we just saw her and Nikki together.

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>What are you talking about? So then the mom admits

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that Nicki said she knew Kristin wasn't Heather, and that

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 1>she better leave before the same thing happens to her

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>that happened to the real Heather. So Erica's freaking out.

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 1>She's like, mom, you knew that Nicki had something to

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 1>do with Heather's disappearance, and the mom's like, I did,

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.439
<v Speaker 1>but not until much later. I didn't want to lose

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 1>two daughters. And I want to mention there's another episode

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>like this on SVU where a girl comes back and

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>says that she's this missing daughter. That turns out the

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>brother killed her and the father helped cover it up

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>because much like this woman, she didn't want he didn't

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>want to lose both of his children, which is allegedly

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>what people think happened in the Jambonnet Ramsey case. But

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>this is for another day. So we want to know

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.320
<v Speaker 1>where did Nicki kill Heather. So now they're at this

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 1>rooftop where Nicki is making Kristin climb a ladder of

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>some kind of like smokestack or chimney. I don't really

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>know what the function of this thing is in New

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>York City, and you've got to come up and see

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>what happened to the real Heather. Is what Nicki's saying.

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>But does this happen because Kristin has been abused for

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:23.360
<v Speaker 2>so long that she doesn't know how to say no

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.959
<v Speaker 2>and she's going along with it Like I would punch

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Nicky in the face.

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems weird, like Nicki doesn't have a weapon

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 1>or anything that's compelling Kristin to go with her. I

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>don't really know what's up, how she's made.

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she's always confusing and.

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Nikki out like Kristen's kind of slight, and Nicky seems

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>like she could really like cut a bitch, So I

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Maybe she's just worried she's gonna like beat

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the shit out of her. I don't really know what's

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>going on, but she's like trying to get her up

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 1>this ladder, and Nicki's basically like Heather caught me doing drugs.

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 1>She was going to tell mom and dad, so she

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>killed her. It just seems crazy.

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, Also my favorite thing ever is you know Stable

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 2>and Benson show up to the crime scene because it's

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 2>their job, and then so is Heather's sister, Like what,

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I just love that they brought her along to this

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:10.280
<v Speaker 2>crime situation.

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Nikki is about to like jump into the chimney. Again.

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what this chimney thing is. I don't know,

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 1>well that immediately kill you. Where does it lead? I

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.359
<v Speaker 1>don't know what this thing is. But she's like, you've

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>always hated me, the whole family has. And then they

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>eventually talk her into coming down, and on her way down,

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>she just kind of looks at Kristin and is like,

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 1>the police gave up looking for Heather a long time ago,

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 1>why did you pick us? But in a way, it's

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>good she did, because now Heather's murder is solved.

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 2>But where is the body?

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Is it in this heat thing, in that like smoke

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>stack thing?

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Wow?

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Which at this point it's been four years, so

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>it's probably like, you know, just decomposed bones, you know.

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just really glad that Kristen gets to be

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>with her mother.

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 4>I know.

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, wait until we get into the real If you

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>guys think that was traumatic, wait until we get into

0:40:59.200 --> 0:40:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the real crimes.

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Louise and I want to mention the woman. I mean,

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 2>great actors everywhere, but she just kills it like she's

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:08.280
<v Speaker 2>such a good actress.

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>The woman who plays feather slash Kristen. Yeah, yeah, and

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that was stranger. So hangout and we will be right

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 1>back with the real life cases that inspire this episode.

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>So this episode is based on a couple crimes and

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.720
<v Speaker 2>one of them is the case of Frederick Borden Boredan.

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't yees French, but.

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 2>And there's a documentary made about him in twenty twelve

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 2>called The Impostor. Fun fact, I did see it on

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>my twenty fifth birthday with my ex boyfriend, which is

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 2>insane because like you're supposed to celebrate, and after we

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>had sushi with my family, we went to watch crime documentary.

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 2>That was the most insane thing I had ever seen.

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>It's truly unbelievable from top to bottom. But so in

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four, a thirteen year old boy, Nicholas Barclay,

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 2>went missing from San Antonio, Texas, and it didn't make

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the news, you know. The mom, Beverly says, it was

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 2>news to us, but no one really cared. And the

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 2>last day, what happened was he went to play basketball

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 2>and he was supposed to be home by dinner and

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.680
<v Speaker 2>he called home but his mother, Beverly, was asleep. His

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 2>older brother Jason answered the phone and said, Mom's asleep,

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 2>walk home, and that was the last anyone had seen Nicholas,

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.720
<v Speaker 2>So that was it. And then there's a sister, Carrie,

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 2>and she this was really interesting to me. I'd never

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:46.879
<v Speaker 2>thought about that, but she goes the emotions of when

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 2>you find out something like this, she said, twenty four

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 2>hours of crying, then you're worried, sick, and then you

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>get mad, then get scared, and then you get empowered.

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 2>So they really did try to find him, but they

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't really have big time support in any way. And

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 2>he was a really cute, blonde, really fun kid, like

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 2>all his whole movies seem like I would have loved

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>to babysit this kid. So then the documentary goes to

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 2>three years and four months later after Nicholas Barclay's disappearance

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>in Lenaris, Spain. The police get a call from a

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:23.800
<v Speaker 2>tourist couple that they found some teenage boy that is

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 2>scared and alone and is just like fucked up and

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.800
<v Speaker 2>it seems like he needs help. The police come and

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.959
<v Speaker 2>they try to interact with this teenage boy and he's

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 2>not speaking. He's not talking, so they take the kid in. Now,

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 2>this teen boy ends up being a twenty three year

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 2>old man named Frederick, and it is not a kid

0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 2>at all, and he gives advice on how to be

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:50.800
<v Speaker 2>an impostor, and he's like, you just have to fully

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 2>fucking believe it and make everyone else believe it, which

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 2>seems like obvious advice, but basically like, you have to

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 2>act like a fourteen year old damaged kid to be

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:02.319
<v Speaker 2>able to get away with it, and that's what he did.

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>And then further down in the documentary, I'll share it now,

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 2>you find out there was no tourist couple. He called

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:11.399
<v Speaker 2>the police pretending to be this couple calling and saying

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 2>they found a teen So already he's setting the cops

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:17.720
<v Speaker 2>up to believe there's a teen boy when it's clearly

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.720
<v Speaker 2>a twenty three year old man. So it's pretty fucking shocking.

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 2>And he has a long history of impersonating people. His

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:28.439
<v Speaker 2>mother was a single mother who kind of didn't really

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 2>like him that much, and his dad was from Algeria

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 2>and bounced, but his grandfather was super racist and was like,

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you need to abort this kid. So he just like

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 2>grew up in not a very loving home and so

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 2>from a young age pretended to be orphans and different

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 2>kids to get love from other people. So he would

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 2>constantly pretend to be a kid to get into shelters

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and juvenile centers and just take identities of children to

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.800
<v Speaker 2>feel like he belonged. So that's kind of the background

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 2>of this guy. Wow. Yeah, And he says, like with

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the cops, you never tell them what happened. You don't

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:08.919
<v Speaker 2>say anything to make them believe that something awful happen.

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 2>And I'd like to say I use this tactic once

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 2>because when I was in college, I started stand up

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 2>comedy and was like, I don't need college anymore, but

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 2>I had to finish, and so I was like really

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 2>bad at attending class. But my mom always told me

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 2>never lie about health or like personal trauma. That's like

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 2>bad energy in the world. So I had to get

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 2>a pass on all of my absences. So I just

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 2>basically made it seem like something horrific happened to me,

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't share what it was, and every teacher okay.

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 1>To except for one.

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Should I. I don't know if this is if you

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 2>guys think I'm a bad person now, But I had to.

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Pass college.

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't actually lie. I was just like, oh,

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 2>things are hard, okay, So he's playing lots of games.

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:53.759
<v Speaker 2>He knows if he doesn't talk, they'll eventually have to

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:55.879
<v Speaker 2>put him in a shelter. And then after a while

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>of him not talking and them not being able to

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 2>identify him, they get fun. They get annoyed and they're like, listen, kid,

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:02.799
<v Speaker 2>if you don't tell us who you are, we're going

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 2>to fingerprint you and we're going to find out. So

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 2>then he goes. He understands like, oh, if they fingerprint me,

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I will get caught.

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I will go to jail. What am I going to do?

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>So he tells them that he's an American that ran

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>away and he's willing to contact his family back in America,

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>but since the time zone difference, they need to let

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 2>him into the office at night and he will call

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 2>his family alone, and he wants to be left alone.

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 1>And they agree to this. This whole story is unbelievable.

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>This is the Spanish police.

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, So they let him into the office at night,

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 2>alone in the office, and he ends up calling a

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 2>New York City police department saying.

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm a cop in Spain.

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>We found a kid here that's American, and starts describing

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 2>himself like can you help me find him, and they're like, well,

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 2>we can't, but we will connect you to the Center

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 2>for Missing and Exploited Children. So he pretends to be

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 2>a police officer to get information from the center and

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>they're like, it could be this kid. So then he

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.480
<v Speaker 2>goes send it over and then we can check if this.

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Is the kid or not.

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 2>So they send him a photo of Nicholas Barclay and

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 2>he goes, yep, we got him, thank you.

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.800
<v Speaker 1>So now he's gonna be Nicholas Barclay.

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 2>He's a very quick thinker, pretty impressive, and so he

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 2>finally admits like, I'm this kid. I was taken into

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 2>a sex slavery ring and I'm kind of scared to

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 2>call back home, but this is my sister, and let's

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 2>see what happens. So Special Agent Nancy B. Fisher, who

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of obsessed with, she's in the FBI in

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 2>San Antonio and she works there from nineteen seventy eight

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 2>to two thousand and four.

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's impressive, like twenty six years.

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, your math skills are even more impressive. I

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 2>can't believe you did that. But yeah, so she was like, oh,

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I have to interview him asap. As soon as he

0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 2>gets back from America, she says, it's super rare to

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.719
<v Speaker 2>find a kid that's me for years. Usually they're never

0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:04.479
<v Speaker 2>found or they're found dead, so and to be found

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 2>in a different country like that rarely happens, and so

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.440
<v Speaker 2>they needed to see what happened to this child. Then

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 2>he gets a colored photo of the boy, and this

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 2>kid is blonde, blue eyes. He's brunette, brown eyes, and

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.360
<v Speaker 2>he's like, fuck, fuck funk, what am I gonna do?

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 2>So he ran away and wanted to go hitchhike, and

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 2>then the people that picked him up from hitchhiking were

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 2>American authorities that were there to help with the case.

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>So he ends up getting picked up by an agent that.

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Was like, are you Nicholas.

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 2>We've been looking for you. So his plan goes awry.

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>But the saving grace with this case is Nicholas had

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>a gap in his teeth, and so does this guy.

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.680
<v Speaker 2>So the gap is like so instrumental. He ends up

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:50.399
<v Speaker 2>dyeing his hair blonde. And Nicholas, who is thirteen, had tattoos,

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 2>so he had a girl in the shelter tattoo him,

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 2>so they had similar tattoos. The sister meets him and

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:01.320
<v Speaker 2>it is like, you look like uncle Pat, I love you.

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 2>And then he's like covered up. He looks like the

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:07.880
<v Speaker 2>invisible man. I mean he's wearing glasses, hoods, scarves, like

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.080
<v Speaker 2>so covered up. But the sister is so happy to

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:14.360
<v Speaker 2>see him and starts showing him tons of photos.

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Like do you remember this? Do you remember this? This

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.959
<v Speaker 1>is your mother? Remember remember remember? Yeah, So showing him.

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 2>All these photos, and you know, the sister says, he

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.480
<v Speaker 2>was really quiet, he was really different. He held back,

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 2>he was whispering. But you know, he was tortured for

0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 2>four years. What do you expect. You don't expect to

0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.840
<v Speaker 2>see the same person. So the judge and the police

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.759
<v Speaker 2>and the Spain people don't believe this, but the Americans

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:39.279
<v Speaker 2>and the sister are like, no, we do. So the

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Spain people test him and show him photos from his life.

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 2>And because the sister Carrie showed the photos, he knew.

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.240
<v Speaker 2>So he got four out of the five photos correct

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and named everybody. And so by that point they're like, okay,

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:58.240
<v Speaker 2>this is obviously Nicholas Barclay. So they declared him a citizen,

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.759
<v Speaker 2>gave him a passport and flew hi him on over

0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 2>And the thing is in the hotel overnight. He thought, Okay,

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>I have a passport. I can do whatever I want. Now,

0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I can run away and live my life. But then

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:12.960
<v Speaker 2>this yearning for love and family, and he was like,

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.239
<v Speaker 2>this is obviously a loving family that I can be with.

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Like they flew all the way over here to come

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 2>get me, and this is a small, all town vibe,

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 2>like she has never been out of the side of

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:23.720
<v Speaker 2>the country.

0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 1>She this was her first time flying like this.

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So he shows up to San Antonio. The family

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 2>meets him. They're all like, Okay, he's quiet and weird,

0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>but we don't know what's happened to him. We're just

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 2>happy to have him back. And then he is very

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 2>disappointed because he's in San Antonio, Texas. So he's like,

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to America, and he of course expected city

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:48.960
<v Speaker 2>life and metropolitan people and everything, and then he's just

0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:50.240
<v Speaker 2>in Texas.

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:51.840
<v Speaker 1>And is like, what the fuck is going on?

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:55.360
<v Speaker 2>So he arrives at the house and one of the

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.319
<v Speaker 2>fears he has is that the real Nicholas will come back,

0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.759
<v Speaker 2>and that's obviously gonna fuck them over. They wanted him

0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 2>to have a normal routine, so they watched movies lunch dinner,

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and they really like helped him out. The only thing

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:11.600
<v Speaker 2>that's weird is Jason, the brother didn't really look at him,

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 2>came to visit and just said good luck and then left. Uh.

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 2>And so that's his only interaction with his brother, Jason,

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 2>who is the person that took the phone call from

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas the last moments that he was left alive. So

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:29.680
<v Speaker 2>a little shady. So November fourth, nineteen ninety seven, the

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 2>FBI lady meets him to do the first interview and

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 2>get accounts of everything, and she immediately is like, this

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 2>man has a shadow of a beard.

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:38.800
<v Speaker 1>This is what is going on. He is not a

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:39.439
<v Speaker 1>young teen.

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 2>He was very nervous and uncomfortable. And then at this

0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:46.480
<v Speaker 2>point he's supposed to be sixteen, Yeah, okay, well four

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:50.000
<v Speaker 2>yr yeah, seventeen sixteen, seventeen seventeen, yeah, but he's really

0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:53.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty three. And then the story he claims, I hope

0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 2>no one is living through this kind of horrendous stuff

0:51:56.560 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 2>like but he says it's a military sex ring, that

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 2>the military took him, that the military put him in

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.439
<v Speaker 2>a van and a plane. He was chloroformed all the time.

0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:10.680
<v Speaker 2>He was subjected to high ranking military sexual abuse, raped, molested,

0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 2>broke his hands, they burnt him, he had to eat insects.

0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:17.120
<v Speaker 2>His foot was broken, He was experimented on. They put

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 2>needles in his eyes and that's why his eye color changed,

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.279
<v Speaker 2>because they needed to change his eye color so he

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be identified. They used torture techniques on him with headphones, screaming, yelling.

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 2>If he spoke English, he was beaten, which is why

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 2>he had this accent because everyone's like, why is he

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:34.800
<v Speaker 2>speaking in a French accent?

0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:35.400
<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 2>And so he came up with this idea that if

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.399
<v Speaker 2>he spoke English they would beat him, and that's why

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 2>he speaks so weird now. They put solutions in his

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:46.920
<v Speaker 2>eye and then at one point he was able to

0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 2>run and he just like ran, ran, ran, and ran away,

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.480
<v Speaker 2>and like he should be a writer on SVU.

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna say that literally sounds like he

0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:57.160
<v Speaker 1>just watched a marathon of SVU on USA and then

0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:58.640
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, here's what happened to me.

0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:04.720
<v Speaker 2>So then the FBI was very shaken by this account

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and said normal people don't come up with this stuff.

0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 2>And he did have cigarette burns and broken limbs and

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:10.319
<v Speaker 2>he had all.

0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Of these things.

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:12.879
<v Speaker 2>So he was like, fuck, yeah, this is the last

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:16.400
<v Speaker 2>border I win. So they told him do not go

0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:19.879
<v Speaker 2>on the news, do not say any of this because

0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:21.840
<v Speaker 2>we need to catch these people that didn't exchange.

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I am intrigued, beyond intrigued, like I know nothing about

0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:27.000
<v Speaker 1>this story. It's so wild.

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:30.760
<v Speaker 2>So then he ends up going on the news because

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:32.799
<v Speaker 2>to him, he goes, if I'm on the news saying

0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicholas, it makes it more and more real. Yes,

0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:39.479
<v Speaker 2>So he totally defies their orders and goes on the news.

0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:43.040
<v Speaker 2>And Charlie Parker, who I want to marry, is a

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:47.919
<v Speaker 2>private investigator who is like not, I don't believe any

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 2>of this. He makes it a personal mission to investigate

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 2>this case. So then the PI was like, Okay, the

0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 2>eyes are different colors, and to me, it's like you

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 2>don't even have to be that talented of a to

0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:03.040
<v Speaker 2>realize that, Like, what the fuck is going on with everybody?

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 2>And then he learned this tip from Scotland Yard that

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 2>they use this ears like for a long time they

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 2>used ears to identify people because ears don't change and

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.320
<v Speaker 2>ears are just as good as a fingerprint. So he

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 2>called the FBI Lady he got a photo and basically

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:25.080
<v Speaker 2>the ears didn't match, so he knows that this is blowney.

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 2>So the PI calls the FBI woman and but that

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Nancy is like, but why would a family take in

0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 2>a stranger? You know, Okay, that's not him, But that's

0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:36.760
<v Speaker 2>really fucking weird that this family would take in someone

0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 2>that is clearly not Nicholas. But he goes to high school,

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:43.359
<v Speaker 2>he starts his new American life, and the PI, God

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 2>bless him. He thinks this is a spy, that he's

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.839
<v Speaker 2>going to bomb everyone, and he is like an intelligence

0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 2>person that's here to do terrorism. So they bring him

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to Houston with this new information under the guise of

0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:58.120
<v Speaker 2>a forensic interview to help him with his trauma, but

0:54:58.280 --> 0:54:59.719
<v Speaker 2>really it's more investigative.

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:00.840
<v Speaker 1>And Bruce D.

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Perry is an MD and PhD at the Texas Children's Hospital.

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 1>He knew immediately something was wrong.

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:10.080
<v Speaker 2>He goes, this kid did not experience these things because

0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:14.239
<v Speaker 2>he is not going through the normal physiological change that

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:17.400
<v Speaker 2>happens in a person when they talk about something this traumatic.

0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's why Olivia Benson in the episode

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:25.439
<v Speaker 2>knew something happened to fake Heather because she was going

0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 2>through those physiological changes when describing the trauma, like, you

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 2>can't really fake those, So that's why she knew something

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 2>was up. He also was like, no native speaker would

0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:37.399
<v Speaker 2>ever have an accent.

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 5>Okay, like paiging Hilaria Baldwin, paiging Hilaria Baldwin, Like, he goes,

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:46.640
<v Speaker 5>even if you, like we're an English speaker, went somewhere else,

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:48.000
<v Speaker 5>you could always speak English.

0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Like, the fact that he didn't know what was up

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 2>is very strange. So a full investigation starts based on

0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:59.360
<v Speaker 2>this information. I mean, if you can believe it, this

0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 2>is where it gets. It's even more wild. So the

0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:06.839
<v Speaker 2>FBI contacts the family and she goes, hey, you don't

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:08.520
<v Speaker 2>even have to show up at the airport. This is

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:11.759
<v Speaker 2>not Nicholas. This is a fraudulent man. We will take

0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:14.239
<v Speaker 2>care of it. We'll pretend everything's normal, but don't show

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.400
<v Speaker 2>up to the airport. They land, Carrie is at the airport.

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Who's Carrie?

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:19.279
<v Speaker 2>The sister?

0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:21.640
<v Speaker 1>The sister Sorry, no, it's fine, so the sister.

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.600
<v Speaker 2>So the FBI lady Nancy's like, hey, Carrie, this isn't

0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:26.960
<v Speaker 2>your brother. This is a strange man. You don't have

0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:29.400
<v Speaker 2>to come get him. Don't come to the airport. Carrie,

0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the sister, shows up at the airport anyways to pick

0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 2>up this man that the FBI has told her is

0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:38.040
<v Speaker 2>not her fucking brother. What is going on? So Nancy

0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:40.799
<v Speaker 2>is like calling the state's attorney office, like I don't

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:43.279
<v Speaker 2>even know what to do in this situation. So they're like,

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.759
<v Speaker 2>just let her go, we'll figure stuff out. And Carrie

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 2>in the documentary's like, I don't really remember her saying that, Okay,

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the PI could not let it go. The pi's doing

0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:56.160
<v Speaker 2>lots of stuff, lots of work, and he's talking to

0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the neighbors, and the neighbors say that that family was

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:00.320
<v Speaker 2>pretty fucked up. The cops would be called two to

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:02.920
<v Speaker 2>three times a week. There was fighting, screaming, and there

0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:06.279
<v Speaker 2>was always issues. So the FBI lady is like, great,

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll get DNA.

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I don't understand from the beginning, why

0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>they didn't just test this kid's DNA to see if

0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:12.799
<v Speaker 1>it's like matches the mom or the dad.

0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:16.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't think their brain was like, this has never

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.439
<v Speaker 2>happened before. Yeah, this is the first case of its

0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:22.400
<v Speaker 2>kind where someone was able to impersonate a child and

0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:25.520
<v Speaker 2>get access and citizenship into this country. Yeah, so like

0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:29.560
<v Speaker 2>this is not you know, it's set a precedent. I'm

0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 2>sure they're going to handle these things different, but they

0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>don't really assume it. So the fbilady goes to the

0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:37.400
<v Speaker 2>house to talk to the mom Beverly, and it's like, hey,

0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:39.520
<v Speaker 2>we're going to get the DNA. That's not your son.

0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 2>She refuses, like she becomes hostile. The FBI lady says

0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:47.360
<v Speaker 2>that she's laid down and was like, absolutely not, I

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 2>refuse and the mom and the doc is like, I

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:54.080
<v Speaker 2>don't remember that. So like there's a lot of forgetting here,

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:57.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of amnesia going on. And they didn't need

0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 2>to prove who he was, Like that's what family is saying.

0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 2>They're like, we don't need to prove who he is.

0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:03.960
<v Speaker 1>We know who he is. This is Nicholas.

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.520
<v Speaker 2>So it changed from a grieving family to something suspicious,

0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:09.480
<v Speaker 2>because why would you let a stranger to your home

0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:10.760
<v Speaker 2>unless you had something to hide?

0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 1>What are they fucking hiding?

0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 2>So after Beverly refused the blood sample, suddenly the impostor

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:21.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, they killed Nicholas and I'm in danger.

0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Like now I'm not scared. Nicholas is gonna come back,

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 2>like this is fucking twisted. They know I'm not Nicholas

0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and they don't care, and they're pretending that they like me.

0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 2>So now he becomes scared because he's like, who are

0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:37.640
<v Speaker 2>these fucking creeps? And then he suddenly is like, oh,

0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:40.320
<v Speaker 2>she showed me all the photos of the family. She

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:43.160
<v Speaker 2>set me up for all this, like you know, she

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 2>prepped me for pretending to be the brother and decided

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:48.479
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be my brother. So he's like, whoa,

0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 2>they're even bigger liars than me, which is like, hold

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 2>your horses, your psycho. So we get news that, like Jason,

0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>this older brother is a bum and a drug addict

0:58:57.400 --> 0:58:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and only cared about himself and this is from Nicholas's

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 2>old childhood friend. We get this information and then what's interesting,

0:59:04.240 --> 0:59:07.720
<v Speaker 2>the PI noticed that a couple months after Nicholas's disappearance,

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Jason called the police and said that Nicholas tried to

0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.320
<v Speaker 2>break into the house. And the PI said that this

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:16.320
<v Speaker 2>happens all the time, where if like you killed somebody,

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:20.040
<v Speaker 2>you'll call the cops to like have fake sightings. So

0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 2>it seems like that person is still alive. So anyways,

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Frederick's like they fucking killed someone.

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>This is crazy. I don't want to do this.

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:29.240
<v Speaker 2>The FBI Lady Nancy is like, I need to get

0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:31.680
<v Speaker 2>a search warrant because the mom and sister and cooperating

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 2>and we need DNA and Prince. The PI starts tailing him,

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:40.280
<v Speaker 2>following him, and in March nineteen ninety eight, Madrid called

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 2>and identified the Prince and yeah, it's a fucking guy

0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:47.840
<v Speaker 2>that's wanted by Interpol and his name is Frederick Baudin.

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Also he agrees to meet the PI for pancakes, so

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:55.640
<v Speaker 2>he starts talking to him, and Frederick to the PI goes,

0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not Nicholas, and you fucking know it, and straight

0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 2>up is like you know what's going on here? And

1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:05.360
<v Speaker 2>he had a pattern of false identity. They figure everything else.

1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:08.320
<v Speaker 2>There's like a two minute montage of all his identities.

1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:11.280
<v Speaker 2>At this point he is faked being like around forty people.

1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Jeez.

1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So March fourth, nineteen ninety eight, the story broke.

1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:21.440
<v Speaker 2>He got arrested and he's the only person in US history,

1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 2>like I said to him, personate a child like that.

1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:27.760
<v Speaker 2>And then the sister is like, I'm sad, and then

1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:30.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like where's Nicholas And then it's also like, how

1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:34.080
<v Speaker 2>can I be so stupid that I thought this was Nicholas?

1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:37.840
<v Speaker 2>So the impostor calls the San Antonio police and says

1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:39.960
<v Speaker 2>they killed him, like you need to open this investigation,

1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 2>and everyone's like yeah, but he's great, Like why are

1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:46.120
<v Speaker 2>we believing him? So then it's kind of fucked up,

1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:51.240
<v Speaker 2>and basically the investigation goes nowhere. There's no evidence about Nicholas.

1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:54.600
<v Speaker 2>There's no evidence that the mom knew or the mom helped,

1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:57.200
<v Speaker 2>or that Jason did it. I think that Jason killed

1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:03.000
<v Speaker 2>his brother. I do, But Jason ended up overdosing, leaving

1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:06.480
<v Speaker 2>a drug rehabilitation center and overdosing. So he's dead and

1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the family thinks that they're making him the scapegoat because

1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:12.360
<v Speaker 2>he can't defend himself. But it's like he called you,

1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:16.400
<v Speaker 2>you knew where he was. He never arrived again. You know,

1:01:17.120 --> 1:01:19.040
<v Speaker 2>this is what they think. The movie wants you to think,

1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:23.960
<v Speaker 2>is that Jason did it. So it's kind of tough. Okay,

1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:25.920
<v Speaker 2>So he's in jail. He gets six years, and this

1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.400
<v Speaker 2>is my favorite, most insane thing. He continued to scam

1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:34.160
<v Speaker 2>people on a phone in his cell. What why is happening?

1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:36.439
<v Speaker 1>He's own bone in their cell.

1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:40.000
<v Speaker 2>There's videos of him in his cell with his own

1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:43.880
<v Speaker 2>payphone calling people and ruining people's lives and calling parents

1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:46.840
<v Speaker 2>of missing children, lying saying that they found him, and

1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:49.000
<v Speaker 2>no one is stopping him. Like, you have to watch

1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:51.160
<v Speaker 2>the end of this documentary. He is legit in a

1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:54.440
<v Speaker 2>prison cell, terrorizing parents and no one is stopping him.

1:01:54.480 --> 1:01:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how does this happen? But what pisses me

1:01:57.440 --> 1:01:59.960
<v Speaker 2>off the most is a woman saw him on tea

1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:01.720
<v Speaker 2>and was like, I'm going to marry that man, and

1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:04.800
<v Speaker 2>he got married and had five children. I'm just like,

1:02:05.280 --> 1:02:07.320
<v Speaker 2>why can I not find love in my life and

1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:11.200
<v Speaker 2>this lunatic? Yeah? This woman Isabelle, was like I felt

1:02:11.240 --> 1:02:13.080
<v Speaker 2>bad for his story and I just wanted to be

1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:16.120
<v Speaker 2>with him. And so he's the father of five children.

1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Jesus.

1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:19.920
<v Speaker 2>So after he got out of jail, he got deported

1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:23.080
<v Speaker 2>and immediately started faking being other people.

1:02:23.200 --> 1:02:25.360
<v Speaker 1>He was a missing fourteen year old boy. But at

1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:27.360
<v Speaker 1>this point in two thousand and three, isn't he like

1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:28.840
<v Speaker 1>thirty three years old?

1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:29.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

1:02:29.080 --> 1:02:29.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Point or like receding hairline. The other stuff I watched

1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:35.400
<v Speaker 2>on it, they're very shady. They're like, this fucker is

1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:39.880
<v Speaker 2>balding and he's pretending to be children. But yeah, and

1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:42.440
<v Speaker 2>then I read that he had a YouTube channel, and

1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, everything, this is the best.

1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait.

1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:47.920
<v Speaker 2>And there's no vlogs, there's no content, so I was

1:02:48.120 --> 1:02:52.280
<v Speaker 2>very upset. That's pretty much it. And then I don't know.

1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:53.320
<v Speaker 1>If he's divorced or not.

1:02:53.760 --> 1:02:58.520
<v Speaker 2>He's obviously a liar and that's the craziest thing I've

1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:02.320
<v Speaker 2>ever heard. Oh and then wait, so then he pretended

1:03:02.360 --> 1:03:05.040
<v Speaker 2>to be one other person, Reuben Sanchez Espinoza, at a

1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:07.800
<v Speaker 2>youth shelter and lived there and then ended up going

1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to college as this kid. And then a representative of

1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the college saw him on the news and was like,

1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:16.800
<v Speaker 2>holy shit. So like he got caught again pretending to

1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:19.880
<v Speaker 2>be someone in college and served a six month long

1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:21.120
<v Speaker 2>conditional term.

1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:24.440
<v Speaker 1>That's really it's just the psychology of that, of like

1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:26.760
<v Speaker 1>never being able to be yourself and having to always

1:03:26.800 --> 1:03:29.440
<v Speaker 1>be someone else's really wild. But of course in this

1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Asview episode, she was not quite so diabolical. She was

1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:36.560
<v Speaker 1>just trying to, you know, fit in after she had

1:03:36.600 --> 1:03:40.080
<v Speaker 1>a horrible trauma, which is based off of the one

1:03:40.160 --> 1:03:42.640
<v Speaker 1>of the most horrible cases I've ever heard. It's literally

1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:44.840
<v Speaker 1>stuck with me for years. It's complete nightmare.

1:03:44.880 --> 1:03:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Fuel No, and I need to say, Kara mentions this constantly.

1:03:48.880 --> 1:03:50.440
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned this case all the time.

1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:53.120
<v Speaker 1>It's just so disgusting and horrible that like, I'm going

1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:55.439
<v Speaker 1>to take you through it really quickly, and it's just really,

1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:59.720
<v Speaker 1>really awful. It's the Joseph and Elizabeth Fritzel case. Joseph

1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Fritz as an Austrian man who kept his own daughter

1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:05.880
<v Speaker 1>imprisoned in his basement for twenty four years, repeatedly raping

1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.800
<v Speaker 1>her and fathering seven children with her. So how did

1:04:08.840 --> 1:04:10.200
<v Speaker 1>he get away with this? How did he do this?

1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:13.720
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy seven, when Elizabeth was eleven, he started

1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:17.040
<v Speaker 1>sexually abusing her. The thing is he had five daughters

1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and two sons with his wife, and I tried to

1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:21.160
<v Speaker 1>find out whether he had assaulted any of his other children,

1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:23.760
<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't find anything. And apparently he just had

1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a real thing for Elizabeth because she was very strong

1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:30.400
<v Speaker 1>willed and spirited. And like they say that people like sociopaths,

1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:34.080
<v Speaker 1>psychopaths have more fun breaking a strong willed person's spirit.

1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:37.440
<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty two, he starts

1:04:37.480 --> 1:04:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to turn a hidden portion of his basement into a

1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:43.800
<v Speaker 1>prison cell. In nineteen eighty three, when Elizabeth is seventeen,

1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:47.800
<v Speaker 1>she runs away from home, but much like I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>with this, Jeffrey Dahmer Caith police find her within three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and return her to her parents, and sadly, this

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<v Speaker 1>is helpful later to Joseph in painting her as this

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<v Speaker 1>troubled teen who had run away before, even though she's

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<v Speaker 1>running away from her father who has been repeatedly abusing

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<v Speaker 1>her since she was eleven. So one day in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four, when she's eighteen, he lures her into the

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<v Speaker 1>basement to help him put up a door to the basement,

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<v Speaker 1>and once she helps him put up this door, he

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<v Speaker 1>chloroforms her locks her in there, which is where the

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<v Speaker 1>episode I think gets a page out of this chloroform situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and he convinces his wife and everyone else in their

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<v Speaker 1>lives that she has run off and joined a cult,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, I had to create a place where

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<v Speaker 1>I could keep Elizabeth by force if necessary, away from

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<v Speaker 1>the outside world. She did not adhere to rules anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>She would spend whole nights in dingybars, drinking alcohol and smoking.

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<v Speaker 1>I only tried to pull her out of that misery,

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<v Speaker 1>so he thinks he's doing a good thing here. And

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind this man grew up in the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the Nazis. And there also was another similar kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>like this in Austria, And there's an interesting New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times article about how sort of Nazi culture influenced both

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<v Speaker 1>of these kidnappings. But after he kidnaps Elizabeth into the basement,

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<v Speaker 1>she's there for four years. She sees no other human

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<v Speaker 1>being except for her a rapist father. Sometimes he would

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<v Speaker 1>leave her without food or electricity to punish her, just

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<v Speaker 1>like in the show up to ten Days in Darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>Once he left her, her mother, Rose Marie, which is

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<v Speaker 1>too close for comfort to my mother's name, allegedly had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea like Apparently the basement was Joseph's area where

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<v Speaker 1>he worked on projects. He was an engineer, like he

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<v Speaker 1>did work. No one ever went down there or questioned

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<v Speaker 1>why he would go down there. This man was so

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<v Speaker 1>ballsy that he even rented rooms out in his home.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one guy that rented a room in this

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<v Speaker 1>house for twelve years who said he heard noises coming

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<v Speaker 1>from the basement, But was always told, oh, it's old

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<v Speaker 1>pipes and stuff, so this is like horrific, horrific. So

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<v Speaker 1>then in nineteen eighty eight, she gives birth to her

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<v Speaker 1>first child, Kirsten. Kirsten ends up in the basement until

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<v Speaker 1>she is nineteen. In nineteen ninety she gives worth to Stefan.

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<v Speaker 1>Stefan is in the basement until he's seventeen. And now

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<v Speaker 1>this kid has trouble walking because he ends up at

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<v Speaker 1>full height at seventeen. He's five to eight and the

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<v Speaker 1>room is only five foot six, so he has to

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<v Speaker 1>walk hunched over all the time. And apparently all of

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<v Speaker 1>them had to spend a lot of time lying down

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<v Speaker 1>because the room is so small and like physically short.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety two, she gives birth to Lisa, but

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<v Speaker 1>after five months, Joseph takes Lisa and leaves her upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the home in a cardboard box, staging it

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<v Speaker 1>to seem like Elizabeth left the baby there because her

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<v Speaker 1>cult wouldn't allow babies. Okay, He does the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>to a baby named Monica, born in nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in nineteen ninety six, Elizabeth gives birth to

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<v Speaker 1>twin boys. One dies, Michael, dies and after three days

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<v Speaker 1>and Fritzel cremates the body, and the surviving twin, Alexander,

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<v Speaker 1>is also taken upstairs at fifteen months old and like

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<v Speaker 1>discovered and they call these children foundlings, like their children

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<v Speaker 1>that have been abandoned. And so the notes are that

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<v Speaker 1>the notes are from Elizabeth and are like, please take

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<v Speaker 1>care of my baby, and they're in her handwriting because

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<v Speaker 1>he's forced her to write them. Oh my god. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So basically he's also playing god. He's deciding which of

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<v Speaker 1>these children gets to come upstairs and live a quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote normal life with him and his wife, and who

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<v Speaker 1>has to stay down below. So he's also raping his

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<v Speaker 1>dogs in front of his grandchild, in front of his children,

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<v Speaker 1>in front of his children and grandchildren. Yes, so then

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<v Speaker 1>if the final child is born in two thousand and two, Felix,

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<v Speaker 1>but he has to stay in the basement because at

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<v Speaker 1>this point Rosemarie cannot handle any more children. Keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>this woman has already raised seven of her own children.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she's taking in these three quote unquote founding children

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<v Speaker 1>that are her grandchildren. But social services is involved in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Social services is there like approving them to have these

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<v Speaker 1>children like they like they officially adopt these children. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>So in two thousand and eight is when this thing

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<v Speaker 1>fucking blows up. Finally, thank god, Joseph allows the extremely

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<v Speaker 1>ill Kirsten, who is nineteen, to be taken to a

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<v Speaker 1>local hospital. It's later believed she was suffering from kidney failure.

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<v Speaker 1>Her appearance and everything that's going on with her like

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<v Speaker 1>a severe SEVERER vitamin D deficiency. I would imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>makes the hospital kind of suspicious that they're like, we

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<v Speaker 1>really need to talk to her mother, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>know more about what's going on with her, and like

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<v Speaker 1>did she a band? Because he told everyone that he

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<v Speaker 1>just found Kirk Kirsten leaning up against his house and

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<v Speaker 1>that she was abandoned by the mother. So eventually, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he probably realizes that this whole house of cards

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<v Speaker 1>is about to come falling down on him, because he

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<v Speaker 1>eventually brings Elizabeth to the hospital as well, and the

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<v Speaker 1>doctors because they want more information. Elizabeth's teeth are like

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<v Speaker 1>wroughten out, like she hasn't been outside in twenty four years,

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<v Speaker 1>like he has never let her out, so it's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>very alarming. He ended up releasing Elizabeth as well as

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<v Speaker 1>Stefan and Felix too when this whole hospital thing went down. So,

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<v Speaker 1>after Elizabeth has promised that she never has to see

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<v Speaker 1>her father ever again, she gives a two hour video

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<v Speaker 1>account of what has happened, and she starts it by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>no one will ever believe me, which is wild, and

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<v Speaker 1>luckily the world did believe her, because this man is

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<v Speaker 1>a full monster. So two thousand and nine, after a

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<v Speaker 1>four day trial, right before his seventy fourth birthday, Fritzel

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty to the charges of murder by negligence of

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<v Speaker 1>his son Michael, the one the twin who did not survive,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as decades of enslavement incestr I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>raped her three thousand times or more. They say, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's fucking horrific, false imprisonment, coercion, everything, And he is

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to life imprisonment in a psychiatric institution. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a psychiatric jail in Austria. It's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty tough. Like I don't think it's I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he's in a white, padded room, but I think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's probably somewhere in between what we think of

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<v Speaker 1>as like a psychiatric facility and a prison here. And

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<v Speaker 1>what's insane insane is that Fritzl was previously imprisoned for

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<v Speaker 1>breaking into a woman's house and raping her at knife point.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was known for that, he had a record,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was known for indecent exposure, and he served

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<v Speaker 1>a twelve months of an eighteen month prison sentence. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what is happening with these prison sentences? That

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<v Speaker 1>is not enough for raping someone a knife point. But

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<v Speaker 1>in accordance to us with Austrian law, his criminal record

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<v Speaker 1>was expunged after fifteen years. So as a result, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years later when he applied to adopt all these children,

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<v Speaker 1>the social service authorities did not know about his criminal history.

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<v Speaker 1>Really think that you should ever have anything expunge that's

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<v Speaker 1>a sexual assault, but okay. He had apparently a very

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up relationship with his mother, who beat him and

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<v Speaker 1>called him satan. And eventually later in life, his mother

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<v Speaker 1>moved in with him and his wife into the basement

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<v Speaker 1>and he locked her in the attic and bricked up

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<v Speaker 1>her window, telling neighbors she had died, and kept her

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<v Speaker 1>locked up until her death in nineteen eighty. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>unknown how long he had his mother locked up, but

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<v Speaker 1>some newspapers have speculated it's twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's missus Fritzl's Like she didn't know the mom

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<v Speaker 2>was in the attic. She never asked about these babies.

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<v Speaker 2>Is she being abused by what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure in some way he had some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like hold over her, But the basement was

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<v Speaker 1>just his area, and like she never went down there,

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<v Speaker 1>and she thought her daughter ran away to a cult.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she says, she's not quoted. They nobody ever

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<v Speaker 1>talks to her in any of the interviews, Like, no

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<v Speaker 1>one ever has gotten to talk to her, and she

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth had a really hard time with her. They were

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<v Speaker 1>staying in a facility together, all getting therapy, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I think she told the mother to leave because I

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<v Speaker 1>I think she was having a really hard time like

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<v Speaker 1>swallowing her version of the story. But they have since,

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<v Speaker 1>I think formed a relationship and the children do see

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<v Speaker 1>their grandmother. And this guy, is he dead already or what? No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>He at first tried to argue that this was consensual

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<v Speaker 1>sex with his daughter and that he wasn't a monster,

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, oh but he would bring the children's stuffed animals,

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<v Speaker 1>and once he even brought a Christmas tree down to

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<v Speaker 1>the basement. And it's just like really gross. And in

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<v Speaker 1>our sources there are photos of the downstairs, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more like how you were saying before, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>like why would you not kind of make it nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's nice in any way. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is a toilet, there is a tub like it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a mattress on a floor, and like a bucket. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they just kind of got used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a television, they had a radio, like they

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I guess that's how they survived. Nobody

1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:55.200
<v Speaker 1>understands how Elizabeth didn't go insane, Like nobody can understand

1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:57.839
<v Speaker 1>how that happened. I had one child in a hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>I really cannot imagine having seven down a fucking basement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just really really horrific. But I have to mention,

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<v Speaker 1>like the the sliver sliver of a silver lining kind

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<v Speaker 1>of happy ending. Not happy ending. But Elizabeth has had

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<v Speaker 1>extensive therapy, as have all her children. She lives with

1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:15.519
<v Speaker 1>all of her children. They got new identities, They moved

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<v Speaker 1>to a tiny village in northern Austria. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I think is so nice. The entire village knows

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<v Speaker 1>who they are and protects them. Like if reporters come,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, get out of here. No one wants to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you. Like they have like full security around

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<v Speaker 1>their house with like CCTV and everything. But also if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody just kind of wanders into the town and finds

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<v Speaker 1>out where they are, this town has like got it

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<v Speaker 1>on lock. And Elizabeth has fallen in love with a

1:13:37.520 --> 1:13:39.960
<v Speaker 1>security guard who was originally hired to protect her. He's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three years younger than her and get it girl,

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<v Speaker 1>And she got her license and loves to go shopping.

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<v Speaker 1>And Joseph had a bunch of his teeth knocked out

1:13:49.280 --> 1:13:50.920
<v Speaker 1>while he was in a prison brawl because a bunch

1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:52.640
<v Speaker 1>of the inmates made a fake dating for him on

1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:55.720
<v Speaker 1>a German dating app dating profile. So I thought that

1:13:55.800 --> 1:13:58.280
<v Speaker 1>was pretty funny, and I'm happy that he's in jail

1:13:58.320 --> 1:14:01.720
<v Speaker 1>and toothless. And that is the story of Elizabeth and

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Fritzel. It's horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like obviously the actions are all so fucked,

1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:10.400
<v Speaker 2>but also what's so daunting is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Years a lot. Yeah, it's just it's so long. I mean,

1:14:14.920 --> 1:14:17.360
<v Speaker 1>we've there have been stories of like this other girl

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<v Speaker 1>in Austria was kidnapped. I believe she was in a

1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:23.080
<v Speaker 1>in a basement situation for like six or eight years,

1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and like Elizabeth Smart was kept for such and such

1:14:26.040 --> 1:14:29.559
<v Speaker 1>a moun time of twenty four years and having seven children,

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<v Speaker 1>and then some of these children were raised with no sunlight,

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<v Speaker 1>like they said. Little Felix like he luckily was so young.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was born in O two and got out.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like five or six when they got him out,

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<v Speaker 1>so he doesn't even remember that much of the basement.

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<v Speaker 1>And he just was like pressing his nose against the glass,

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<v Speaker 1>like looking at the stars when they got him out,

1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:51.200
<v Speaker 1>because he had just never seen anything like it. And

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<v Speaker 1>what was the Nazi connection, Well, they were just seeing

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<v Speaker 1>like these men that grew up in a Nazi time

1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:01.840
<v Speaker 1>like felt the sort ethnic cleansing or like what he

1:15:01.920 --> 1:15:05.080
<v Speaker 1>felt like, Oh, my daughter is unhelpable. She's a whore,

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<v Speaker 1>and like she carouses with alcohol like I need to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my job to keep her locked up and stop

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<v Speaker 1>her from being part of the regular world, do you

1:15:14.600 --> 1:15:16.839
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? It's like to me, it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just like an ideological similarity. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi said you should do this, but you know, just

1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm I'm glad that she has therapy, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>assuming like the government gives her money, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a feeling that like because she's been provided security

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<v Speaker 2>and the seat, and like I have a feeling that

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<v Speaker 2>the government just like literally gives her a stipend and

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<v Speaker 2>like they're all covered and that no one heard her

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<v Speaker 2>give birth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really wild. I mean he had like you can

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<v Speaker 1>see diagrams of like it was like his workshop, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it was like behind the workshop, like where the

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<v Speaker 1>room was created. And eventually she begged to have the

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<v Speaker 1>place expanded. She's like, I have four people down here, like,

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<v Speaker 1>can we have more space? And he let them expand it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had to dig in the dirt with their

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<v Speaker 1>own hands. Like he's like, honestly, truly, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of a fucking worst criminal. He's so awful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well thanks for that, You're welcome. I'm just happy that

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<v Speaker 1>they're all like in this village living together and they

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<v Speaker 1>get to go outside and kind of hopefully live happy

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<v Speaker 1>rest of their lives after what's happened to them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to have a very talented guest as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as we come back. Liza. I'm so excited for

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<v Speaker 1>our guest today. She has run the gamut of crime shows.

1:16:40.960 --> 1:16:43.760
<v Speaker 1>She's been on Castle, We've seen her on Scandal, We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen her on Criminal Minds, and most recently, she was

1:16:46.800 --> 1:16:51.200
<v Speaker 1>on ABC's Marvels. In Humans, you guys know her as

1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Heather Hollander slash Kristin Muslik. Please stay tuned for our

1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:58.240
<v Speaker 1>interview with Ellen Woglam. Tell us how it came about, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you audition for this part? Like we like Lisa

1:17:01.840 --> 1:17:04.519
<v Speaker 1>was saying, like we do so many like comedy auditions,

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<v Speaker 1>the two of us that like we never have to

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<v Speaker 1>like cry on cue or anything like that, So like no,

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<v Speaker 1>they actually it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's going to make me sound way cooler than

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<v Speaker 3>I am. But it was a straight offer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, okay, I know only offer only.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a feeling that's just the way they operate.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that was like personal to me, but

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<v Speaker 3>I had done a lot of I think I had done.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe they had seen a I think I did like

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<v Speaker 4>a finale of Cold Case or something where there was

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of crying. So it was a straight offer,

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<v Speaker 4>which was surprising, and then yeah, I went to New York.

1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:38.800
<v Speaker 4>And but also it's also kind of nerve wracking, and

1:17:38.840 --> 1:17:41.360
<v Speaker 4>that happens because since you have an auditioned, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I would prefer straight offer anytime, but but you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know that, like what you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Doing is what they responded to and they like, but

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<v Speaker 4>that I feel like is more for comedy.

1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:53.680
<v Speaker 3>It's harder with that. Comedy is so much it's just

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<v Speaker 3>a different muscle.

1:17:54.520 --> 1:17:56.439
<v Speaker 4>And so with comedy, I feel like if it's a

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<v Speaker 4>straight off, you don't know if like they thought you

1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:00.600
<v Speaker 4>were funny, You're like, well, I know, we haven't. You know,

1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:02.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what you're responding to.

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<v Speaker 1>We were looking at your impressive resume and like you

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<v Speaker 1>were really like a crime show girl leading up to SVU,

1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:11.559
<v Speaker 1>like you had done Criminal Lines and CSI and Cold Case.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe I just saw you and all that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like that girl can cry.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>And since then you've done some more Dick Wolf too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Chicago Fire and Chicago p D. Yeah, they've been

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<v Speaker 4>they've been good to me.

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<v Speaker 1>How do the sets differ.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're in Chicago, right, you want to know that

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<v Speaker 3>was so you can't swear.

1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:34.080
<v Speaker 1>You can swear, you can swear, say whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, now, it was so fucking cold that like you'd

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<v Speaker 4>be outside wearing I think we were trying to do

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<v Speaker 4>fall and it was in.

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<v Speaker 3>The middle of winter in Chicago for Chicago.

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<v Speaker 4>Fire and PD and so I'm in a tiny like

1:18:45.200 --> 1:18:48.600
<v Speaker 4>barely jacket and crying and you're just like, this is

1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:49.920
<v Speaker 4>their icicles.

1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Like it was just so hard to do. So that

1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:54.599
<v Speaker 3>was hard. Chicago filming outside in that winter was hard.

1:18:54.720 --> 1:18:57.680
<v Speaker 4>New York was We were indoors for most of it,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was just an amazing experience. I remember, you know, Mariska,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know at that point how many seasons they

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<v Speaker 4>had done.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot.

1:19:06.160 --> 1:19:10.000
<v Speaker 4>And she still went into work every day excited about

1:19:10.040 --> 1:19:12.920
<v Speaker 4>the work, committed to the work, like engaged, and you know,

1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:15.479
<v Speaker 4>sometimes you'll go on sets, especially if you're doing a guest.

1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:18.519
<v Speaker 3>Star, you're kind of a visitor, and that was not

1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:19.880
<v Speaker 3>the vibe at all.

1:19:19.920 --> 1:19:23.560
<v Speaker 4>It was super collaborative and so kind to all the

1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:25.680
<v Speaker 4>cast and crew, and it really sets a precedent for

1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:28.720
<v Speaker 4>just the tone on set, and I remember being so young.

1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:30.920
<v Speaker 3>And there's been a couple other experiences.

1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:34.000
<v Speaker 4>One was I did a series we only were on

1:19:34.120 --> 1:19:36.160
<v Speaker 4>for a year but called Outlaw with Jimmy Smith's and

1:19:36.280 --> 1:19:39.479
<v Speaker 4>he was very similar in that he you know, when

1:19:39.520 --> 1:19:42.240
<v Speaker 4>you're number one on the call sheet, you really set

1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:44.400
<v Speaker 4>the tone for how everything goes. And I just remember

1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:47.160
<v Speaker 4>watching both Mariska and Jimmy and going, That's how I'd

1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:48.840
<v Speaker 4>want to be if ever I was number one, Like,

1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:51.479
<v Speaker 4>That's how I'd want to conduct myself. Like, you know,

1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:54.040
<v Speaker 4>it was a mix a great She's also really funny,

1:19:54.160 --> 1:19:57.479
<v Speaker 4>so a great mix of you know, people joking and

1:19:57.600 --> 1:20:00.360
<v Speaker 4>laughing and a lot of love, but also extremely professional

1:20:00.400 --> 1:20:02.000
<v Speaker 4>when it needs to be professional.

1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:05.679
<v Speaker 3>So it was really that episode with all.

1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:08.080
<v Speaker 4>The I mean, I love all the jobs I've done

1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:10.080
<v Speaker 4>and grateful for all of them, but that's the one

1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:12.240
<v Speaker 4>when people ask what was your favorite job that you've done?

1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Is definitely that SVU Also because it was there was

1:20:15.520 --> 1:20:16.840
<v Speaker 3>meat there, so it was fun to do.

1:20:17.560 --> 1:20:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your character was multi multi layered for sure. Yeah,

1:20:22.640 --> 1:20:24.479
<v Speaker 1>and you had to scream at Marishka like.

1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:25.280
<v Speaker 3>What was that like?

1:20:25.720 --> 1:20:27.559
<v Speaker 1>You had to just like fully be like get out

1:20:27.560 --> 1:20:28.640
<v Speaker 1>of here. I don't want to talk to you.

1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:30.920
<v Speaker 3>And I know that's I hate whatever I have to.

1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:33.280
<v Speaker 4>I think I revisited that just because this and I

1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:35.360
<v Speaker 4>hadn't seen any of the episode in so long, and

1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:36.720
<v Speaker 4>I was, you know, watching your face.

1:20:36.760 --> 1:20:38.880
<v Speaker 3>You're like, oh god, that's my crease. When I do that,

1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:42.200
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, it's great.

1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:44.960
<v Speaker 4>She was. So we became friendly afterwards, and like I

1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:47.360
<v Speaker 4>would go to dinner at her house, you know when

1:20:47.360 --> 1:20:48.120
<v Speaker 4>if I was in town.

1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:51.360
<v Speaker 3>She really took me under her wing. So it was great.

1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:55.000
<v Speaker 1>That's a dream to be a's house for Yeah.

1:20:55.080 --> 1:20:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:58.479
<v Speaker 2>When the episode came out, did you watch it with

1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:01.439
<v Speaker 2>friends and family? Was it a party or is it not?

1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Because the subject matter is so fucked up?

1:21:03.720 --> 1:21:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh no, what happens?

1:21:05.720 --> 1:21:08.320
<v Speaker 4>I think by that point that subject matter it got

1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:11.920
<v Speaker 4>to point I had done so many of those, like.

1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Rape my tones.

1:21:14.000 --> 1:21:15.640
<v Speaker 4>It's a laughing matter, but I just had and then

1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:17.320
<v Speaker 4>I think the last one I did was Scandal.

1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:20.360
<v Speaker 3>Afterwards, I was like, Okay, this is getting a little like,

1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:24.280
<v Speaker 3>let's put it today. But my friends watched it.

1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:28.519
<v Speaker 4>In that opening scene where the mom Tess Harper, who

1:21:28.640 --> 1:21:32.160
<v Speaker 4>actually played she played my mom on a series I

1:21:32.280 --> 1:21:33.679
<v Speaker 4>did called Crash as well.

1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:35.400
<v Speaker 3>So when she opened the door and I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember me?

1:21:36.200 --> 1:21:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Do you?

1:21:36.640 --> 1:21:36.960
<v Speaker 3>My friend?

1:21:37.000 --> 1:21:39.400
<v Speaker 4>So that was really funny anytime then, like when they

1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:41.040
<v Speaker 4>would come over and I'd open the door, they'd be like,

1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:41.800
<v Speaker 4>you don't remember me?

1:21:44.479 --> 1:21:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Well that scene I've always been curious when you lift

1:21:47.800 --> 1:21:50.200
<v Speaker 2>your hand like shocked, like you don't remember me, and

1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:54.599
<v Speaker 2>the tattoo obviously the giveaway was that naturally did.

1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:58.519
<v Speaker 1>You did you know? Did the director tell you to

1:21:58.600 --> 1:21:58.800
<v Speaker 1>do that?

1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Was? It was like, could you win?

1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:05.559
<v Speaker 4>Could you put your hand like right here where the cameras,

1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:08.680
<v Speaker 4>we can get that tattoo and make it like you

1:22:08.960 --> 1:22:10.080
<v Speaker 4>normally put your hand with.

1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:13.080
<v Speaker 3>A tattoo across your face and say you don't remember me?

1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:13.400
<v Speaker 4>Do you?

1:22:14.120 --> 1:22:17.479
<v Speaker 1>You don't remember me? You're like, I have a hair

1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:25.639
<v Speaker 1>muddling green? No, it seems natural and contest. Sure, So wait,

1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:27.200
<v Speaker 1>were you a brunette back then?

1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:28.320
<v Speaker 3>No, that's a wig?

1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay we thought we knew it, Yeah, we knew yeah, And.

1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:35.120
<v Speaker 4>They they put my hair in braids underneath that wig

1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:38.320
<v Speaker 4>so tight that you just be on so much at

1:22:38.360 --> 1:22:38.920
<v Speaker 4>of them all.

1:22:38.880 --> 1:22:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Day because the the headaches because like you guys at

1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:45.599
<v Speaker 1>home cannot see her. But she has this beautiful mane

1:22:45.760 --> 1:22:49.639
<v Speaker 1>of blonde tresses that are very like wavy and curly,

1:22:49.760 --> 1:22:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and that is not what we saw on that episode. No,

1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:56.120
<v Speaker 1>it was definitely like a brown with like some jagged bangs,

1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and so I was like, I wonder if that was

1:22:57.640 --> 1:22:59.240
<v Speaker 1>her real hair. Good to know?

1:22:59.479 --> 1:22:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, You've worked a bunch in New York and LA

1:23:03.800 --> 1:23:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and as you said, Chicago, like do you have a preference?

1:23:06.000 --> 1:23:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you like La better just because you live here?

1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:11.839
<v Speaker 3>And now I love shooting on location because I love hotels.

1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:16.599
<v Speaker 1>In my love room service, Yeah, girl, after ours to order?

1:23:18.200 --> 1:23:21.559
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, I always ordered two lattes in the morning

1:23:22.200 --> 1:23:24.320
<v Speaker 3>just because I once enough and then I don't know

1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.360
<v Speaker 3>my order, probably a burger.

1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:30.760
<v Speaker 4>I remember when I was in Chicago doing Chicago PD

1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:33.000
<v Speaker 4>and Fire, they put me up at the I think

1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:36.519
<v Speaker 4>it was the Ritz, And so that's paid for, but

1:23:36.800 --> 1:23:38.920
<v Speaker 4>room services and paid for like your room is paid for,

1:23:39.040 --> 1:23:42.400
<v Speaker 4>but any incidental you have to cover. And so every

1:23:42.479 --> 1:23:44.519
<v Speaker 4>morning they really get you too, because they were like,

1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:46.240
<v Speaker 4>would you like coffee, miss Walk And I was like,

1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:47.400
<v Speaker 4>of course.

1:23:47.439 --> 1:23:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Down in the lobby.

1:23:48.800 --> 1:23:50.439
<v Speaker 4>And then when I went to go check out, they

1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:52.719
<v Speaker 4>gave me, well, I thought it was a complimentary coffee,

1:23:53.360 --> 1:23:55.280
<v Speaker 4>and they gave me the bell and I remember like.

1:23:55.280 --> 1:23:57.080
<v Speaker 3>Getting to and I was like, oh, I actually really

1:23:57.160 --> 1:23:58.280
<v Speaker 3>can't afford to stay here.

1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:04.080
<v Speaker 2>How much was it a thousand dollars? Oh my god?

1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:05.920
<v Speaker 4>Because you also have to eat rooms of over stuck

1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:08.360
<v Speaker 4>because you'll get home late and restaurants are right open.

1:24:08.680 --> 1:24:10.800
<v Speaker 3>So I got room service and they brought this soup

1:24:10.840 --> 1:24:13.120
<v Speaker 3>and it was the most ridiculous if I've ever seen.

1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:15.000
<v Speaker 3>It was in like a coffee creamer that then the

1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:18.040
<v Speaker 3>guy like poured into a bowl, and it was so

1:24:18.400 --> 1:24:21.400
<v Speaker 3>small and so expensive, and I remember just looking.

1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:23.880
<v Speaker 4>At the guy and I was like really, and he

1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:25.519
<v Speaker 4>was like, I mean he need too, because it was

1:24:25.600 --> 1:24:28.240
<v Speaker 4>just it was comically small.

1:24:28.800 --> 1:24:31.880
<v Speaker 2>A thousand dollars is would that's it?

1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>That's definitely a tear wrenching bill to get. I would cry.

1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did.

1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:40.400
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I you know, so that's the things

1:24:40.439 --> 1:24:41.799
<v Speaker 3>you say, these really nice hotels.

1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:43.679
<v Speaker 1>But then you know, I guess then you just cross

1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:45.439
<v Speaker 1>your finger that they play that episode a bunch of

1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:47.400
<v Speaker 1>times and that your residuals will pay for the.

1:24:47.840 --> 1:24:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so everyone go stream that episode like a lot.

1:24:53.280 --> 1:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Because wait, so you have already you've said you've played

1:24:56.240 --> 1:24:59.400
<v Speaker 1>like this victim a million times. But like, if you

1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>were to get a call back to SVU, like, what

1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:03.280
<v Speaker 1>would you want them to be calling you into play

1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:06.800
<v Speaker 1>like lawyer, judge, like judge, a mom, like somebody out

1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:09.160
<v Speaker 1>like a different kind of criminal.

1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's a good question. Let's pitch it too.

1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well we're hoping, we're hoping you're listening.

1:25:18.360 --> 1:25:22.439
<v Speaker 3>Maybe i'd be the bad guy. Oh I've never.

1:25:22.400 --> 1:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Played the bad guy because you just don't look like

1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:27.839
<v Speaker 1>a bad guy. You look like such a nice person.

1:25:28.760 --> 1:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>But that's always the funnest little twist, isn't it.

1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, not to insult you, but you could be like

1:25:33.680 --> 1:25:39.920
<v Speaker 2>the woman that what's her name for Epstein's woman Gallain. Yeah, yeah,

1:25:39.920 --> 1:25:43.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't, but you can be the decoy or the

1:25:43.200 --> 1:25:47.320
<v Speaker 2>person that does the because you're because you're not suspicious

1:25:47.520 --> 1:25:47.840
<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

1:25:48.240 --> 1:25:49.080
<v Speaker 3>That's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you would be offended. You look

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<v Speaker 2>like you would trap when he's getting maxwell energy from you.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like you're really good at grooming young girl. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a good one. Something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Post mortem time, and I do want to give us props.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've learned that we're incredible at realizing if

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<v Speaker 2>someone's wearing a wig or not. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's our drag race viewing or what, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>fucking on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, Lisa, I think that's probably more you.

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<v Speaker 1>I did think hers was a wig. But I've recently

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<v Speaker 1>been very much awoken to the fact that I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that so many actresses it's their real hair, such as

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Kidman in the Undoing, And many of my gay

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<v Speaker 1>male friends are like, you're insane. You've never seen Nicole

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<v Speaker 1>Kidman's real hair, And I'm like, you're right. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why why I think she has this beautiful mane

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<v Speaker 1>of red hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, someone tweeted, and I agree, They're like, can Nicole

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<v Speaker 2>Kidman do one movie in her real accent?

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<v Speaker 1>Like why can't we get one Australian part from her?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not that great at an American so I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should just let her live. But anyway, this obviously

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<v Speaker 1>these crimes were horrific, this episode is horrific. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say what I've learned is that if your long last

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<v Speaker 1>sister comes home and tells you that she's been a

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<v Speaker 1>sex slave for six years. Why don't you not worry

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<v Speaker 1>about how many showers she's taking. Why don't you just

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<v Speaker 1>let her take as many showers as she wants and

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry about the water bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Niki. Also, I learned never let your spouse have a

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<v Speaker 2>room or a dungeon or a place that you do

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<v Speaker 2>not inspect constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my tool shop. I'll be the judge of what.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my primary area. You know what I was

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<v Speaker 1>wondering too, actually thinking back on it, How did that

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<v Speaker 1>woman not realize how much food was going missing? Like

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<v Speaker 1>he was feeding five people down in that base, four

1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:42.960
<v Speaker 1>people down in that I don't anyway. I've also learned,

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<v Speaker 1>like for as well as from so many cases that

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<v Speaker 1>we've covered, Like women are so fucking strong and resilient,

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<v Speaker 1>it's insane. Like I truly don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Show me a story of a man being held captive

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<v Speaker 1>in a basement for twenty four years and being forced

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<v Speaker 1>to give birth to children with their own parent, and

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<v Speaker 1>how they can come out of it and try to

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<v Speaker 1>make a happy life for themselves. I just don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna see it. I think most men would have

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<v Speaker 1>gone insane by then. That's a really good one. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think women are so strong and like I

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<v Speaker 1>just I like I said, I had one baby in

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<v Speaker 1>a hospital. This woman had seven babies in a dungeon. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>she's extremely strong.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, we learn this almost every week, but that Marishka

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<v Speaker 2>is incredible to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, a never ending lesson. Yeah, oh yeah, don't

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<v Speaker 1>buy the New York Posts. Sex Slave in the City

1:28:31.400 --> 1:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>is not a pennycute title. Not that New York Post

1:28:34.080 --> 1:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>ever wrote that, but it's clearly based on the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Post.

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<v Speaker 2>They've done lots of bad things. You just told me.

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<v Speaker 1>Recently they like outed, Yeah, outed an AMC who had

1:28:42.560 --> 1:28:45.439
<v Speaker 1>an OnlyFans. Yeah, they're great, Like, how is that even news?

1:28:45.560 --> 1:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Motherfucker? We're in a recession. Like, yeah, people want money

1:28:49.320 --> 1:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>and you gotta do what you gotta do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you need like newspaper to like scrape up

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<v Speaker 1>your dog shit, then you can buy the Post. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>No one is using newspaper to pick up dog shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a dog. It's not going to protect you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a dog.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Also, you know this isn't right, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>have someone comes to your home claiming to be a

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<v Speaker 2>miss you, you can't trust them. Get a DNA test immediately. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that's wild about this case you took

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<v Speaker 1>us through is that it was in the nineties, and

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<v Speaker 1>like you could have easily just been like, okay, great, left.

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<v Speaker 1>We could just get a droplet of your blood to

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<v Speaker 1>compare it against his, and we'll be on our way,

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<v Speaker 1>Like just to even or to compare it even against

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<v Speaker 1>the mothers, to make sure that you're a child of

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<v Speaker 1>the mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just don't take in loose strangers. Also, don't allow

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<v Speaker 2>people to have phones in their jail cells when they're

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<v Speaker 2>known to call and commit crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>That was on that Chameleon podcast. I was telling you

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<v Speaker 1>about two This guy was running scams out of jail too. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how people have all this access to

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<v Speaker 1>internet and technology and jail.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, in SVU, I've learned that sometimes the real

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<v Speaker 2>big gangs are run from the prisons, and like the

1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:05.320
<v Speaker 2>outside gang is actually just taking orders from the inside

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<v Speaker 2>prison stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a sure.

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<v Speaker 2>We've learned that through episodes. Throughout time, we learn a

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<v Speaker 2>lot from this show. Can I add one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I learned? Yes, if you're going to come back as

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<v Speaker 2>another human being, you don't have to look anything like them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can just impersonate someone with different air. You

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<v Speaker 1>have a news job, just get a cheesy tattoo and

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<v Speaker 1>you can be that person.

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<v Speaker 2>But actually to spin that in a good way, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the impostor guy from the doc, he was very much

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<v Speaker 2>like you just have to believe it and convince people.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe we could flip that in a positive way

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<v Speaker 2>of like when you go to job interviews or go

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<v Speaker 2>out for an opportunity, Oh yeah, bake it till you

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<v Speaker 2>make it, baby, Like you got to convince people that

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<v Speaker 2>you deserve these jobs and opportunities and moments, and like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think we can all take a life

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<v Speaker 1>lesson from an impostor.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, go flirt with someone you thinks out of

1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>your league and be like convince them that no, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna date me, You're worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so just to spend some criminal knowledge. Okay, now

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<v Speaker 1>it is time for what would sister Peg do? This

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