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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Baby oil so deep at a free cough it causes

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Speaker 2: to slip and falls.

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Speaker 3: Just hold that mental image.

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Speaker 2: This as Diddy bringing a book into court so he

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Speaker 2: can manifest a verdict. Okay, good luck with that. This

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Speaker 2: as jerr R six gets the boot.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 3: being with us.

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Speaker 1: He abused everybody on every level.

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Speaker 4: A lot of them have never come forward. They'd rather

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Speaker 4: just disappear, forget about it. They're too scared.

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Speaker 5: Diddy was menacing, threatening, intimidating.

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Speaker 6: She talked about how he was violent, he was threatening.

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Speaker 7: They are terrified of him.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: That is absolutely inhumane, inexcusable treatment of another human being.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to the Manahan Federal Courthouse where Seawan Combs

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Speaker 2: aka Diddy facing a multi count federal indictment including rico

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Speaker 2: and sex trafficking. Standing by outside the courthouse is investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter and host of TISA Tails on YouTube, Tisa Tales,

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Speaker 2: Tisa thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: A lot happening in court today.

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Speaker 2: Let's just kick it off, pardon the pun with Juror

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Speaker 2: number six getting kicked off, booted off the jury.

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Speaker 1: What happened.

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Speaker 7: So we went into the courtroom and it was solemn.

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Speaker 7: Oddly enough did he came in with a smile on

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Speaker 7: his face like he had just won the golden ticket

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Speaker 7: from Willy Wonka. However, that smile disappeared when the judge

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Speaker 7: actually laid out in a very surgical, precise manner, exactly

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Speaker 7: why he wasn't getting his dream. However, there was another

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Speaker 7: shock upset where after he dismissed you German number six,

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Speaker 7: and we'll get into that, he actually said there is

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Speaker 7: a second juror that is up on the line for

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Speaker 7: possible dismissal, and he invited both sides to write a

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Speaker 7: list of questions so they can question a juror and

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Speaker 7: see if the new juror will actually be allowed to

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Speaker 7: stay to So a lot was going on in the

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Speaker 7: court today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, tast of tails remind us all how many alternates

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Speaker 2: we've got in the hopper.

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Speaker 7: So right now we have officially five alternates. It started

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Speaker 7: a classic set, you know, a jurors doesn't and then

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Speaker 7: there were six alternates. Now that one man has moved

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Speaker 7: in to the place. If you're a number six, there

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Speaker 7: are five alternates left. And with the second jar. If

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Speaker 7: four alternates.

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Speaker 2: Tasta tails Did the court acknowledge who the next juror

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Speaker 2: that may get the boot is?

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Speaker 3: Which jurr is it?

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Speaker 7: So the court didn't give any identifying information except for

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Speaker 7: the fact. And this goes into the judge giving such

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Speaker 7: a hard line. As you saw the judge laying out

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Speaker 7: Toy's space just looked like a very very bad day.

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Speaker 7: Shoulders started falling, he started looking angrily at his lawyers.

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Speaker 7: All the judge did say is that this juror in

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Speaker 7: know what's going on, just wanted to be candid with you.

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Speaker 7: That seems to be the magic word of the hour.

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Speaker 7: I want to be candid with you. And because of

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Speaker 7: But they haven't given any identifying information and they are

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand what you just said, Tisa Tailors

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Speaker 2: joining us outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, TISA number one,

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Speaker 2: j'r six gone out of there booted. We'll get into

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Speaker 2: wine just a moment. And of course, it's the ground

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Speaker 2: for another motion of miss Tralla mistrial by Shawn Combe's

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Speaker 1: Is it valid?

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Speaker 2: No, But you know, you never know if you get

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Speaker 2: one wacko appellate judge what might go wrong with that.

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Speaker 2: That said, now another jarar is in jeopardy. Now, are

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Speaker 2: you telling me that the second questionable.

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Speaker 1: There are approach the court themselves?

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Speaker 7: Yes, that is what my sources are telling me. That

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Speaker 7: and the judge invited both sides to say, listen, write

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Speaker 7: and later on we will ax those questions. Again, they're

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Speaker 7: and Ditty was shocked too that there was a second juror.

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Speaker 7: Literally when he said the second jur in question, Diddy

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Speaker 7: looking at his defense team furiously. After that, the jurors

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Speaker 1: Meltdownload, okay, hold on just a moment.

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Speaker 2: Joining me at the courthouse is Taste of Tails straight

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Speaker 2: out to City Sun, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: also covering the courthouse, Sidney. Do you have you been

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Speaker 2: able to speculate yet which juror the second juror in jeopardy.

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Speaker 8: May be Nancy? We don't know, but it surprises me

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Speaker 8: that Combs was so shocked by this, and that could

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Speaker 8: mean a number of things. But we know that behind

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Speaker 9: He's getting all of his kids to participate in these

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Speaker 9: pr campaigns to make him look like a loving father

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Speaker 9: and not the man that the government is making him

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Speaker 2: Or they You know, again, when you don't know a horse,

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Speaker 1: We know and Sydney and Tasa jump in if you

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Speaker 2: We know that apparently Sean Combs has tried to influence

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Speaker 1: Been reprimanded about that.

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Speaker 2: Would he go so far as to try and contact

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Speaker 2: a Gurr joining me veteran trial lawyer Troy Slayton, criminal

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Speaker 2: defense attorney out of LA at Slayton Lawyers, Troy that

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Speaker 2: will take the cake. If this juror is approaching the

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Speaker 2: judge saying, somebody contacted me over the weekend, I find

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Speaker 2: it really interesting that this is happening on a Monday, right.

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Speaker 2: What if anything happened over the weekend to shake this

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Speaker 1: What about it? What else could have happened over the weekend.

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Speaker 10: It could be any number of things, Nancy. And it

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Speaker 10: looks like all the jurors have the fear of God

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Speaker 10: it's found that that jur who is dismissed actually lied

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Speaker 10: during the dear process, which is the jury questioning, you know,

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Speaker 10: let the truth come out. That's what the Latin phrase means, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: As you know, then all the jurors could be really

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Speaker 10: fearful and thinking about geez, did I say anything wrong?

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Speaker 10: Did I make a mistake during voidir But this is

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Speaker 10: a great opportunity for the defense to get a mistrial

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Speaker 10: because if Diddy's attorneys can show that this that a

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Speaker 10: juror is being dismissed for a racial reason. Then they're

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Speaker 10: going to make what's called a bats in motion to

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Speaker 10: get a whole new trial, which would mean that everything

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Speaker 10: that they've seen so far is just a preview.

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Speaker 3: This is what we're hearing.

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Speaker 2: We're hearing that this juror I'm calling it juror the

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Speaker 3: Okay, you'r six is gone.

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Speaker 2: That's saber with And I'm going to go into why,

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Speaker 2: because now it's an issue for a mistrial. Right is

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Speaker 2: it valid? No, it's not valid. The judge did the

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Speaker 2: right thing. And I think even you, Troy Slater and

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Speaker 2: gonna agree with me on this.

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Speaker 1: But that's it.

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Speaker 2: And remember keeping in mind, Troy, as you know already

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Speaker 2: you're a veteran trial lawyer, copellot team is going to

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Speaker 2: be a completely different team than the trial lawyers.

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Speaker 1: Typically, that's true, right.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons, and the trial lawyers know this

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Speaker 1: Of course, the appellate.

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Speaker 2: Team will claim, right or wrong, that the trial lawyers

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Speaker 2: and that is SOP standard operating procedure. Every defense attorney

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Speaker 2: knows if there's a conviction, they're going to be accused

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Speaker 2: of ineffective assistance a counsel on appeal. Why they're willing

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Speaker 1: It's part of the fee.

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Speaker 3: Let me just say so.

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Speaker 2: My point is a new appella team would be handling

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Speaker 2: saying they should have let this jurr be thrown off.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't right.

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Speaker 2: We demand a new trial. Now as to juror number two, Troy,

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Speaker 2: listen to this. This is what I'm learning. Let me

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Speaker 2: say the second gerar all right, I don't know the

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Speaker 1: The GURR approached the judge.

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Speaker 2: The judge has asked to see the gurrr's phone. The

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Speaker 2: We understand the second questionable gurr was questioned over a conversation.

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Speaker 3: He may have had with a colleague.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's interpret that because you know, Troy, have you

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Speaker 2: ever run out of alternates? I have not, and the

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Speaker 2: reason is I typically would pick at least six alternates

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Speaker 10: I've had jurors drop out. I've had jurors get kicked out.

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Speaker 10: I've had jurors get sick. But I've never run out

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Speaker 10: of jurors. We've gone down to zero alternates before in

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Speaker 2: But I know that Diddy's cannap and I've had stars

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Speaker 2: And I really liked her, but she was so distracted

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Speaker 2: and upset about her child care situation we cut her loose.

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Speaker 3: Those are just the ones I remember off the top

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Speaker 2: And I don't like going to an alternate because I

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Speaker 2: like my twelve that I picked, but you got to

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Speaker 2: do what.

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Speaker 1: You got to do.

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Speaker 2: But here I think they should have had more than

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Speaker 2: six alternates. But that said, this is where we are

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Speaker 2: right now and Bethany Marshall joining us. Real psychoanalyst out

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Speaker 2: of the Barely Hills jurisdiction, author of deal Breakers. You

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Speaker 2: can see her now on Peacock and find her at

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear Tasa Tales?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 2: Let me go back for a refresher, then I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you up for you again, Bethany, Tasa Tales. You stated

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Speaker 2: that in the midst of juror number six, potentially getting

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Speaker 2: kicked off, Seawn Comms came into the court room looking

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Speaker 2: oh happy.

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Speaker 7: Happy as static. There were smiles everywhere, and I literally said,

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Speaker 7: what are they telling, Diddy, Because even though yourself and

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Speaker 7: a lot of legal professionals are saying there is no

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 7: He had I think two motions for a mistrial. He

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Speaker 7: So it was a lot going on. But I've never

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Speaker 3: Do you think that anybody has gotten to a girrar?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, Nancy, he's manifesting a not guilty verdict,

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Speaker 5: So of course he's happy because his prayers have worked.

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Speaker 5: I mean, seriously, Pete, did he has such a vast

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Speaker 2: Jurrr six was booted because he lives outside the jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: That is reversible error. For instance, Uh, let's just pretend you, Sydney,

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Speaker 3: That is the law.

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Speaker 2: The jurors must in the jurisdiction where the case is

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Speaker 2: As you know, murder Ray Chamlay Station, the jura must

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Speaker 2: Is that right, Sydney. Is that why the jarar was booted.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly why the juror was booted, Nancy. But further

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Speaker 8: Then when he was gradually talking about this with court staff,

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Speaker 11: The court learned today that Juror number six was less

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Speaker 2: Joining us now outside the Monahan Courthouse in downtown Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Conlin, star of Pop Crime TV, on YouTube, Lauren,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us, Lauren. I understand that

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Speaker 2: there was so much baby oil at a free cough.

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Speaker 2: We have already heard about two slip and falls.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Lauren.

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Speaker 12: Jonathan Perez is Shawn Combs's fourth assistant to take the

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Speaker 12: Christina Koram, who instructed him on setting up King Knights,

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Speaker 1: Perez says the task was usually left.

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Speaker 12: To the Knight's staff, and he only set up for

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Speaker 2: Okay, objection, ew what happened? The guys had two slip

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Speaker 13: Yes, Unfortunately, that is what we saw in evidence when

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Speaker 13: we saw these text messages between Christina Korum and Jonathan Perez,

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Speaker 14: The rooms that she and Ditty would use there always

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Speaker 13: So it's been a bit stomach turning.

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Speaker 3: Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now outside the Monahan Courthouse is Tasa Tails. Tisa,

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Speaker 2: I understand that Sean Combs has been First of all,

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Speaker 2: he tried the Bible, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Then I guess this. Lawyers told him that's not a

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Speaker 1: good idea. You need to stop that right now. Reading

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Speaker 1: the Bible in front of the jury. Now, if he

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Speaker 2: History of ever going to church or reading the Bible

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Speaker 2: in the past, it might not.

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Speaker 1: Have been a bad move. But using the Bible.

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Speaker 3: As a prop, I'm surprised he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Struck by a bolt of lightning. That said. Now he's

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Speaker 1: got a new book he's bringing into court, The Magic

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Speaker 2: Now, if I'm right, that's all about manifesting your truth,

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Speaker 2: like manifesting a not guilty.

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Speaker 1: Is this real?

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Speaker 7: It is actually real? He has some sort of manifestation book.

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Speaker 7: But again, well each week at this point, I think

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Speaker 1: In these props to me.

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Speaker 7: The Bible perfect prop for him. Okay, like you said

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Speaker 7: about to have thunder and lightening in the courtroom. Now

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Speaker 7: he's all about manifesting. He's trying to remind us of

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Speaker 7: the brain marching he gave the nation for the last

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Speaker 7: ten years and bring that in but at this point

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Speaker 7: it's turned into a joke, which makes me believe how

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Speaker 7: much is art is a legal team actually monitoring social

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Speaker 7: to bring in next? How to make friends and win enemies?

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Speaker 7: I mean, no one really knows what's going on. So

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Speaker 7: again Diddy is trying his best to turn this into

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Speaker 2: Sean Combs in the courtroom manifesting I'm not guilty verdict.

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Speaker 15: Listen is Sean did he Combs trying to manifest and

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Speaker 15: a self help book, The Magic of Believing, back and

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Speaker 15: forth to court. Legal experts say it isn't uncommon for

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Speaker 15: defendants to turn to some sort of coping mechanism during

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 15: Legal experts say it isn't uncommon for defendants to turn

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany manifesting for those of us that aren't really

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Speaker 2: familiar with that, could you explain what it is? Is

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Speaker 2: it like, oh, wish it and it comes true, like

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Speaker 2: I dream of Genie?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 5: Manifesting is this idea that if you form a thought

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Speaker 5: So let's say you want to be an actress. You meditate,

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Speaker 1: Okay? So p did he controls you actually just say

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Whether did you say that? Because I think you did?

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Speaker 1: Whether it's not true? How about going.

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Speaker 2: To school and getting a job to advance your goal.

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Speaker 3: What about what?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you don't tell your clients athletes sit there

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Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, So, just like p did, he tries to

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's like he's trying to go to the universe.

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Speaker 2: His wishes meant Bethany, Please, unless we really need to

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Speaker 2: drag God into this, let's please leave him her out

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Speaker 2: of it. Just first of all, you invaded the question.

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Speaker 2: Do you tell your clients to manifest?

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Speaker 5: I do not, but many of my Beverly Hills clients

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Speaker 5: I try to turn it into real life, you know,

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Speaker 2: Okay, now you're losing me. You're totally losing me in

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Speaker 2: You don't tell your clients to manifest?

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw joining me founder director Lyn's Warriors, a nonprofit which.

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Speaker 3: Means a lot. She's not in it for the money.

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Speaker 2: Dedicated to ending sex exploitation and trafficking of women and girls.

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Speaker 1: I bet they wish the victims.

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Speaker 2: That they could manifest this thing never happened, that they

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Speaker 1: I left out the drugging part and drugged.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, Well, I have news for everybody because I

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Speaker 6: I actually tell them, think positive thoughts, stay in this

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Speaker 4: You want it to look. So I'm manifesting left and

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Speaker 4: You know what we're losing sight of while all this

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Speaker 4: But you know what we're not talking about alleged victims,

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Speaker 4: this attention is being put on that what does he know,

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Speaker 4: because I'll tell you what, he for decades in New

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Speaker 4: York City has been getting away with everything. It's very

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Speaker 4: concerning to me that this is happening. What about we're

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Speaker 4: not talking at all about these alleged victims survived.

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Speaker 1: Where are more of them?

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Speaker 6: I want to see more of them on the stand.

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Speaker 6: There's lots of people complicit here. Why aren't we hearing

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Speaker 6: from them? So it remains to be seen. But I

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Speaker 6: leave you with this, Yes, with anybody who's been attacked

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Speaker 6: or is down in the dumps, is depressed, is even suicidal.

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Speaker 6: I actually tell them manifest positive thoughts, stay positive, stay

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Speaker 6: a warrior. And I use that technique all the time,

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Speaker 6: and you know what they get back to me. It

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Speaker 6: seems to always help them a little bit. So that's

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Speaker 6: a little bit positivity there. But as far as Triple

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Speaker 6: D Dirty Diddy degenerate, we don't care at all about

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Speaker 6: him and his manifestations and his Bibles. It's disgusting and

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Speaker 6: he's going down.

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Speaker 2: Let me speak to someone in law enforcement that maybe

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Speaker 2: I can understand what they're saying.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan gilliam is joining me, former Navy seal, let's start

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Speaker 1: with that.

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Speaker 2: FBI Special agent, Federal Air Marshall and police officer, author

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Speaker 2: of Sheep Know More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival,

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Speaker 2: Star Off the Experts podcast Jonathan Gilliam. Jonathan, I threw

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Speaker 2: that question to land Shaw. I got an answer, but

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Speaker 2: it was an evasive You can go ahead and cut

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Speaker 2: her mic right now. It was an evasive answer, Jonathan,

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Speaker 2: because I asked about seawan Combe's manifesting a not guilty verdict,

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Speaker 2: and she responded that she has crime victims manifest positivity.

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Speaker 2: Now manifesting positivity, that's stay positive. I'm all for that.

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Speaker 2: I'm all for expecting the best outcome, absolutely expecting it

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Speaker 2: and trying to make it happen. Work to make it happen,

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Speaker 2: but be prepared if it doesn't happen. Having a positive

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Speaker 2: attitude is very different from manifesting a jury verdict or

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Speaker 2: manifesting conjuring up anything. The world doesn't work that way,

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gilliam. It boils down to do the jurors believe

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Speaker 2: the state's witnesses. The states witnesses all under went severe

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Speaker 2: cross examination. I'd like to hear you, out of all

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Speaker 2: your years of taking cases to juries, tell me if

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Speaker 2: you think the state has corroborated the victims well enough

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Speaker 2: so far.

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Speaker 16: I don't think so. I'll tell you something, Nancy, from

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Speaker 16: the very beginning of this and going back and looking

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Speaker 16: at the way this case has gone forward. I think

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Speaker 16: that when you look at what the prosecution is trying

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Speaker 16: to prove, and you look at how the witnesses come

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Speaker 16: in and what they've testified to, it doesn't meet so

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Speaker 16: far the threshold on a lot of the charges that

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Speaker 16: they've brought up. And then you need to specific well

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Speaker 16: I'm getting to when you look at the jury you

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Speaker 16: made a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of the charges have not been proven well, racketeering for instance,

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Speaker 2: so far we've not seen really any evidence of racketeering

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Speaker 2: beyond Sean Didty Coombs himself running a very hostile work

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Speaker 2: environment and engage with prostitutes? Okay, hold on, Jonathan, have

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Speaker 2: you been covering the testimony because we now have the

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Speaker 2: fourth assistant be given immunity for completing illegal acts at

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Speaker 2: the behest of Sean comes. So when your employees are

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Speaker 2: told by you to perform criminal acts to further a crime,

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Speaker 2: that is rico for witnesses so far given immunity. One

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Speaker 2: obtained illegal drugs, One went with a gun to hunt

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Speaker 2: down Shug Night for a proposed attack on night. Others

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Speaker 2: had transportation plans to bring in sex workers for an

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Speaker 2: illegal act. Another accountant described sending an extortion email, and

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Speaker 2: there's much much more. A bodyguard went and physically dragg

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Speaker 2: casti Ventura back for a free cough. A bribe was

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Speaker 2: conducted at the behest of Shawn Comes. Those are crimes,

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Speaker 2: and they further a criminal act. So explain to me

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Speaker 2: how that is not racketeering.

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Speaker 16: Well, so, usually typically when we look at the mafia

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Speaker 16: and how racketeering has been used, it's by people who

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Speaker 16: are not coerced into doing these things. And from what

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Speaker 16: we've seen to underline, motivation of most of these people

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Speaker 16: is that they were coerced. They had pressure on them,

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Speaker 16: they thought they would be ruined or fired, and so

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Speaker 16: when they're making a tremendous amount of money, that pressure

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Speaker 16: is on you also through the abuse. So I'm not

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Speaker 16: saying that the reason I even brought that up was

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Speaker 16: because when you hear the term manifestation that this is

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Speaker 16: going on, and that continuously gets pushed out with these

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Speaker 16: other things that you see in the media. Now you

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Speaker 16: start to see that maya as an investigator, not an attorney.

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Speaker 16: As an investigator, I start looking at this, and when

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Speaker 16: these jurors start having issues, I now start asking the

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Speaker 16: question of was there a game being played at the

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Speaker 16: beginning of this to get jurors in there that may

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Speaker 16: or may not have an issue.

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Speaker 1: You're like, you're may king.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say a stinky popore because you have

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Speaker 2: now thrown in a lot of issues to some point.

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Speaker 2: My question to you is why do you say racketeering

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Speaker 2: has not been proven?

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Speaker 1: And you said, because it's.

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Speaker 2: Usually used for the mob. You are familiar, I assume

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Speaker 2: with the rampart r robert A Alpha M Mother p

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Speaker 2: pony a Alpha R Robert T Toy rampart scandal where

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Speaker 2: the lapd we're prosecuted for RICO for why spread corruption

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Speaker 2: because the head care had the minions carry it out.

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Speaker 2: So you don't have to be the mob to be

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Speaker 2: the subject of a Rico prosecution, Right, And that's just say, well,

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Speaker 2: they're not the mob.

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Speaker 1: That's not an excuse.

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Speaker 16: No, no. But what I'm saying, Nancy is I'm trying

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Speaker 16: to show the totalia circumstances of how the coercion was

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Speaker 16: typically used to get people to do things that were

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Speaker 16: violent or things that were nefarious in nature, such as

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Speaker 16: moving prostitutes. Right, we're paid, how that relates to this

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Speaker 16: pay the coercion coming in with the Bible, playing these

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Speaker 16: pressure games in front of the jurors.

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Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with rica. That's theatrics. I agree,

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Speaker 1: it's a game.

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Speaker 13: You are the crack pipe.

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Speaker 7: That's my new name for you, crackpipe. He looked like

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Speaker 7: he was strung out, looked like a crackhead, great gums,

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Speaker 7: shaky hands, disgusting and the cats.

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Speaker 2: I love you, baby, You're just you're my crack pipe.

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Speaker 2: My husband called me a crack pipe.

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Speaker 3: It is up Dateline Special.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: We are at the Monahan Federal Courthouse bringing you the

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Speaker 2: latest of today in the case against Seawan Comebs aka Diddy.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Sydney Sumner. There was a surprise guest

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Speaker 2: gracing the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Guess who listen.

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Speaker 15: I spent like all the money for a commercial.

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Speaker 1: On these new teeth once again. I had to shoot

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Speaker 1: it on the iPhone.

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Speaker 6: Go to easy dot com.

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Speaker 1: That from the official Easy page.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Sidney Sumner, what does Kanye and his million dollar

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Speaker 2: titanium teeth drool have to do with Sean Combs?

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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, Kanye West has been one of the only

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Speaker 8: public supporters of Diddy throughout this thing, and it's interesting

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Speaker 8: because they weren't really close before this. Sean Kalm's and

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Speaker 8: Kanye West kind of had a falling out over Kanye's

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Speaker 8: White Lives Matter T shirt line and they haven't really

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Speaker 8: been close since then. But now that Sean Kalms is

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Speaker 8: behind bars, Kanye West has apparently been reaching out to

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Speaker 8: his sons and offering support. And we saw that devolved

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Speaker 8: from pushing Sean Jalons merchandise on his website to selling

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Speaker 8: swastika T shirts on his website in this tirade that

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Speaker 8: kind of unfolded during Super Bowl week.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, let's take a look at the swastika T

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Speaker 2: shirt Brujha.

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Speaker 17: Within an hour of West's Super Bowl ad airing on TV,

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Speaker 17: the only item available in his shop is a twenty

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Speaker 17: dollars short sleeved white T shirt with a swastika on it.

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Speaker 17: The shirt is named HHO one. Many believe the letters

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Speaker 17: stand for Hyle Hitler. Critics and fans alike are absolutely horrified. Shopify,

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Speaker 17: the site's host suspends Yeezy's account within twenty four hours.

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Speaker 17: The site now reading this shop is not available, so.

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Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter on the

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Speaker 2: Shawncombs trial, Sydney. How is bringing Kanye West to the

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Speaker 2: trial helping anything for the defense?

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Speaker 1: Wait, he did come for the defense, right, The state.

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Speaker 3: Didn't bring him in as an ambush, did they?

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Speaker 8: No, Nancy. Kanye answered a few reporters as he walked

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Speaker 8: into the courthouse, saying he was just there to support

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Speaker 8: Sean Combs and his children. Kanye sat in an overflow

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Speaker 8: room with Christian Combs for just a few minutes, not

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Speaker 8: even an hour, to just show his support for Sean

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Speaker 8: Combs apparently. But Kanye is a huge fan of drama.

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Speaker 8: He created drama nearly everywhere he goes, So a lot

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Speaker 8: of people are feeling like maybe he did this for

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Speaker 8: more selfish reasons than he claimed.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Dodger Bethany Marshall, can you imagine putting your own

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Speaker 2: financial interest a pecuniary interests before that of your longtime friend.

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Speaker 2: So how does it help to bring in a Hitler

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Speaker 2: sympathizer for your case? How does that help anything?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 5: I guess the saying is there's no such thing as

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Speaker 5: bad publicity. I think Kanye did a flyby, meaning he

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Speaker 5: just wanted to be seen walking into the courtroom being

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Speaker 5: sympathetic towards P Diddy's son, like he's like a paternal

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Speaker 5: figure of some sort, and that he's supporting P Diddy's enterprise.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who knows.

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Speaker 5: In his mind, he may feel that P Diddy is

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Speaker 5: going down and he'll take over his whole market in

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Speaker 5: terms of selling albums or records or whatever. So you know,

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Speaker 5: I think that we have to pick our friends carefully.

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Speaker 5: I left the term frenemy is when your friend is

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Speaker 5: actually your enemy, and in this case, it's really unsure.

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Speaker 5: I'm unsure what Kanye West motivations really are.

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Speaker 2: By Troy Slayton joining us veneran trial lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: La Troy Slayton. I mean, with friends like this, why

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Speaker 2: would they bring Kanye to court a known Hitler sympathizer.

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Speaker 10: I don't think Ditty's defense team had anything to do

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Speaker 10: with this. I think Kanye did this on his own

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Speaker 10: because he's selling free Diddy merchandise. If I was Ditty's

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Speaker 10: defense team, I'm not calling in Kanye West with his

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Speaker 10: with his swastikas and his hal Hitler merchandise.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 10: I think Kanye did this absolutely on his own because

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Speaker 10: he's trying to sell merch He's trying to make money

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Speaker 10: off all the free publicity surrounding this trial.

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Speaker 2: Troy Slayton, it cannot help Sean Combs, not that I

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Speaker 2: want them to be helped, but it can't help Sean

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Speaker 2: Combs for Kanye to show up. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: the yours even realized what was happening, but it's done.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you very quickly, Troy Slight, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to circle back to the chaos in the courtroom surrounding

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Speaker 2: your number six. Okay, and will that be reversible error

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Speaker 2: if there's a conviction, could you explain why, whether he's black, white, purple,

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Speaker 2: or green, that juror had to.

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Speaker 10: Go Well, I understand why the judge dismissed them, but

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Speaker 10: I also understand why it's going to be fertile ground

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Speaker 10: for appeal because there's this little thing in this country

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Speaker 10: called the Constitution, and the equal protection clause of the

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Speaker 10: fourteenth Amendment says everybody has to be treated equal. And

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Speaker 10: how that applies to this trial is that you can't

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Speaker 10: dismiss somebody because of their race. You can't. And so

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Speaker 10: if the jurors, I mean, if.

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Speaker 1: The prosecutor Slaton.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, the prosecutors we all exist.

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Speaker 2: We all accept that a juror cannot be thrown off

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Speaker 2: or thrown out of the Va Dyer process because of

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Speaker 2: their race. Bats In Vie Kentucky. It's an age old.

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Speaker 3: Case, right.

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Speaker 2: We all know that this jar was placed on the jury.

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Speaker 2: He was not deselected because of his race. But Troy,

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Speaker 2: he stated, he doesn't live in the jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: He can't be on the jury.

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Speaker 2: You can't get wavebody, you can't waive that constitutional right.

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Speaker 10: They didn't even give him a chance to explain, Nancy,

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Speaker 10: they kicked him out. He gave inconsistent answers. At one

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Speaker 10: point he made he said he lived in New Jersey.

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Speaker 10: The other point he said he lived in the Bronx.

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Speaker 10: So it's not clear exactly where he lived or if

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Speaker 10: he moved.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get some clarification very quickly, Sidney Sumner, what

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Speaker 2: exactly did he say?

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Speaker 1: Plays school Troy Slayton Nancy.

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Speaker 8: The judge said that the issue of race could not

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Speaker 8: outweigh the fact that this juror was possibly lying or

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Speaker 8: trying to stay on this panel. The juror was very

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Speaker 8: unclear and whether or not he actually resided in New

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Speaker 8: Jersey or if he resided in the Bronx full time,

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Speaker 8: and that inconsistency led the judge to believe that this

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Speaker 8: juror was not being truthful because he wanted to stay

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Speaker 8: on the panel, and the juror should not be that

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Speaker 8: invested in the case unless he had some kind of

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Speaker 8: bias toward it.

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Speaker 2: So the judge said, I'm sorry, but his words exactly Sidney.

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Speaker 1: Where did he say he lived?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 8: At first on his jury questionnaire, this juror answered that

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Speaker 8: he lived in the Bronx with his aunt. Then in

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Speaker 8: casual conversation with court staff, he was talking about living

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Speaker 8: in New Journey with his girlfriend and his daughter. So

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Speaker 8: when it came back again, he told the judge, no, no, no,

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Speaker 8: I've spent most of my time in the Bronx. So

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Speaker 8: we have this constant inconsistency of well, you said this,

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Speaker 8: now you said that, now you said this again. So

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Speaker 8: I don't understand what is the truth here, And at

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Speaker 8: that point he just could not be trusted.

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Speaker 2: So he gave conflicting answers about where he lived and

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Speaker 2: isn't it true? Any summer he was given the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to explain himself, he was called into questioning by the

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Speaker 2: judge with the lawyers present.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's absolutely correct. So he was given a chance

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Speaker 8: to explain himself and say, you know, I just didn't

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Speaker 8: think about what I was saying when I answered this

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Speaker 8: jury questionnaire. And no, he tried to correct himself, making

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Speaker 8: that the third inconsistent statement that he made to the court.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Troy's Latin joining me veteran trial lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: the LA jurisdiction. Troy, under our constitution, at tri you

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Speaker 2: are not allowed to waive, to waive constitutional rights such

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Speaker 2: as a right to a lawyer, Okay, a right to

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Speaker 2: cross examination, all of these. Under the sixth Amendment, you

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Speaker 2: cannot waive a jury of your peers unless you go

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Speaker 2: with the bench trial. So here, even if even if

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Speaker 2: the state had gone along with it, that the defense

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Speaker 2: wanted to keep this JURRR, I think because he is

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Speaker 2: a Shawancomb's empathizer.

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Speaker 1: On appeal, that is a reversible error.

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Speaker 2: A new set of lawyers is explained at the top

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Speaker 2: of our show.

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Speaker 1: A new set of appellate lawyers will say, well, you.

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Speaker 2: Can't waive the right to gurrs from your jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: That's reversible on appeal, Troy.

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Speaker 10: That's why Didy's attorneys were so upset they thought that

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Speaker 10: this person was a sympathetic but potentially for them instead

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Speaker 10: of bringing it was an African American UH juror, and

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Speaker 10: they're bringing in a juror, a Caucasian jur from Westchester

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Speaker 10: with a much more conservative area of New York. This

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Speaker 10: person was a corrections officer. The person who was dismissed

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Speaker 10: was a corrections officer who said he enjoyed hip hop

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Speaker 10: and rapped from the early nineties and that he.

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Speaker 1: Enjoyed that he was a constitution nothing.

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Speaker 10: It has to do with whether or not the jurors

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Speaker 10: being dismissed because of a discriminatory because of a discriminatory possible.

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Speaker 2: Please conflicting answers about where he lived. You cannot have

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Speaker 2: jurors that do not land in jurisdiction.

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Speaker 10: It's an immediate Just because there's a conflict doesn't mean

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Speaker 10: that he was lying. Just because he said one thing

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Speaker 10: to court staff not under oath, that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 10: he was lying when he was under oath during the

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Speaker 10: vas deer process or when he was speaking to the court.

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Speaker 2: We remember an American here Z Trooper Frankie Williams, New

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Speaker 2: Jersey State Police, just thirty one killed in a line

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Speaker 2: of duty, survived by grieving wife Kimberly and parents Victoria

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Speaker 2: and Robert.

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Speaker 1: American hero Trooper Frankie Williams. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,