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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and now you're

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Speaker 1: listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. Matt. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Last week, of course, the Steelers were in Mobile, the

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Speaker 1: you know, the the entire brain trust was was down there. UH,

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Speaker 1: did some interviews with some some GM candidates. UH. And

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Speaker 1: then over the weekend the New York Football Giants UM

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Speaker 1: asked for and received an interview with Tarrell Austin for

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Speaker 1: their UH for the defensive coordinator job the Steelers. UH.

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Speaker 1: He's been the guy who's been rumored to be that

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Speaker 1: the new the next defensive coordinator of the entire time

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Speaker 1: here and for whatever reason, a lot of Steeler fans

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Speaker 1: don't seem to be happy about this. I know, I

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Speaker 1: can get in text like how predictable, how boring they

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Speaker 1: like this is what you want to hear, this is

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Speaker 1: good news. Yeah, and I don't understand that. Well. You know,

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Speaker 1: they've UH their defense, They've given up forty plus points

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Speaker 1: in the last three playoff games. Those three have nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with each other. That too, any nothing defensive

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Speaker 1: he got fired in Cincinnati. Okay, so by that token,

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Speaker 1: then wink Martindale, who everybody wanted, he couldn't be the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator because he's got he just got fired in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: And Brian Flores, who a lot of these people wanted,

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Speaker 1: he just got fired in Miami. If you can't hire

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Speaker 1: a coach or to be your your any any job

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Speaker 1: on your roster because he has been fired somewhere else,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna have any candidates. You have no coaching thing.

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Speaker 1: They've all been fired. Um. Martindale to me was what

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Speaker 1: I wanted the side, and it didn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: You gotta redo a defense that's pretty set up. I

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Speaker 1: mean your first round pick would almost have to be

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Speaker 1: a corner, you know, like that would really change the

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Speaker 1: way you build your defense. You know, from just roster

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Speaker 1: wise that that made no sense to me at all. No. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and again, yeah, you have to look at the fit.

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Speaker 1: You have to like I um, late last week, uh,

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Speaker 1: somebody said it was the same thing. I wrote a

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Speaker 1: story Bruce Arians told his his coaching staff in Tampa

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Speaker 1: that they were free to interview elsewhere, even if it

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Speaker 1: wasn't for uh, you know, an advancement because because of

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Speaker 1: the Brady situation and everything that's happening in Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: And so I wrote that, you know, maybe the Steelers

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Speaker 1: would be interested in Larry Foot to come back there

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Speaker 1: outside linebackers coach. He's been the outside linebackers coach the

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Speaker 1: last three years in Tampa, has done a pretty good

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Speaker 1: job with those guys. Um, you know, maybe they'd like

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Speaker 1: to bring him back and interview him as their outside

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Speaker 1: linebackers coach. Because Keith Butler also did that right. People

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Speaker 1: forget he had he wore two hats here, right, and

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Speaker 1: somebody saon, well, they should go after Todd Bowls as

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Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator again. It would be a complete philosophical change.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the Steelers don't want to be reliant

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Speaker 1: on the blitz no right right? The again, Bowls is

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Speaker 1: fourth three matter that much anymore. Puts his corners on

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Speaker 1: islands a lot well, then plays a lot of man coverage,

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Speaker 1: which yeah, you knows can do, but you would have

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Speaker 1: to add things to really let Bowls do what he wants.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't think Todd's interested in taking a

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Speaker 1: lateral defensive coordinator job. I mean, he would be a

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Speaker 1: head coach again if anything right, right, the same thing

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores. Brian was um, but I I I get

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Speaker 1: this question constantly as well, Matt. Maybe the Steelers should

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Speaker 1: do that because t J. Want and Alex Highsmith are

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Speaker 1: too late to play played outside linebacker like they're the

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Speaker 1: same size as defensive ends around the league. And who

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Speaker 1: playing a four three? Yeah? Yeah, and three four and

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Speaker 1: four three doesn't even doesn't make any It doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any difference. Um, Really, all you would be doing is

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Speaker 1: now you need different linebackers. You need a different style

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Speaker 1: so you're really adding to that need, and it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: two I don't understand that logic. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: what the Steelers have implemented on defense, terminology fronts, all

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Speaker 1: those things has worked as well as any defense in

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Speaker 1: the league for generations. Now, yeah, I don't get any

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Speaker 1: continuity in this case is key. Um, one scheme is

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Speaker 1: don't think about what the three four front looks like.

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Speaker 1: Sure they're gonna play some of it, but the majority

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Speaker 1: a misnomer that bases base bass is nickel, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like the bass is called the wrong thing.

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Speaker 1: Base should be called short yardage or it's your Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 1: And here's where it gets interesting for the Steelers is that, well,

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals will play in the super Bowl this

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Speaker 1: they're the division champions. So for years you've the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Sure they run the ball really well, because they run

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Speaker 1: to be able to It's it's the two thousand seventeen

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Speaker 1: So we gotta get lighter and faster. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: because they're very different that they are. Certainly since Taylor

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Speaker 1: the top of the league in eleven personnel with three receivers,

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Speaker 1: and that's why you draft a guy like Bush that

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Speaker 1: that's the value in those type of defenders. Even you know,

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Speaker 1: Hard Grave to be is the mold I mean, like

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Speaker 1: And you know, Dick Lebo wasn't gonna be a head

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm done with it. I think it's ridiculous. But whatever, Um,

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Speaker 1: bad thing that Tarrell Austin is elevated here. Uh Terrell's

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinators. Why aren't they? Yeah? Um, and that's that's

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Speaker 1: a bigger well, that's a bigger subject than than you

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Speaker 1: tackling that. I'm just saying that he's been He's one

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Speaker 1: folks that are listening and saying, boy, he's not good

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Speaker 1: I think it's right. UN's going to take another break.

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