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Speaker 2: for I have followed. I'm Jessica Ossabetto, executive producer of

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Speaker 2: the hit Netflix series Dancing for the Devil the seven

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Speaker 2: Chakaina Church on their healing journeys. Pastor Robert Schin founded

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Speaker 2: Chakaina Church in La over two decades ago before establishing

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Speaker 3: And I'm Kalia Gray, former member of seven M Films

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Speaker 3: and Chakina Church. This podcast picks up where the series

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Speaker 3: we dive deep with Marilyn, a former member of Shakaina Church.

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Speaker 2: Marilyn once believed that dedicating her life to God through

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Speaker 1: They put things in your head like that, you're dying

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Speaker 3: And sometimes it would feel so silly, like, oh, you

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Speaker 1: When they gave us the news that we were getting

435
00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 1: roommates the same day, within two hours, I was because

436
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, it's not like I never lived

437
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: with roommates. It's just we had no idea we were

438
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: ever getting roommates, and it wasn't presented to us like, oh,

439
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, is it okay if we put some people

440
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 1: in the house that you know, you just paid fifteen

441
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: K to move into, Like is it fine with you?

442
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: Like no, it was never how do you feel about this?

443
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 1: Like are they even comfortable with you? Like we have

444
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: little kids? Like is it gonna annoy them? Just stuff

445
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 1: like that was going through my head, you know, like right,

446
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 1: And I also thought it was temporary, like they presented

447
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: like as someone that's serving God, like you need to

448
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: serve and help others in need. Right, So whatever thoughts

449
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: were going through my head or what I quickly put

450
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: them aside. I'm like, Okay, my first priority is I'm here,

451
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get closer to God. I'm going

452
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: to serve. So if there's any way I can help others,

453
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. So no questions asked. I'm like, Okay,

454
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't ideal, it wasn't what I expected, but it's

455
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: happening and welcome, you know.

456
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: Right, And it really very much was not what you

457
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: signed up for. You had just sold your house and

458
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: moved and that was the day that we met, when

459
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 3: Kevin and I had like moved into the house, and

460
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: so I'd imagine, I know, like you have kids, you

461
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: have like a whole family there, Like that was extremely invasive,

462
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 3: and you know, on our end, like we were told

463
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 3: that there was a family living there, but like that

464
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 3: they already knew that they were going to have people

465
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 3: move and they just weren't sure who, right.

466
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 2: So, Marilyn, can you walk us through a little bit

467
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: of what that moment was for you and those moments

468
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: for you of wanting to leave.

469
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: You know, I'm over here working on a regular, full

470
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: time desk job. You know, I'm tired as it is.

471
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: I have a kid in school. I have a little

472
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: kid that's like not sleeping through the night, and that's

473
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: just my personal life. So on top of that, I

474
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: have to attend these Bible studies that are like three

475
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: hours long, you know, these services on Wednesdays and Sundays

476
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 1: that are four hours sometimes depending how long they want

477
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: to talk, go longer. So it's just a lot. It

478
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: was starting to just wear me out little by life

479
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: and not only just being you know, rebused and corrected.

480
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: That was also like on my mental health. That was

481
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot because nothing I did was ever good enough.

482
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: I was always getting rebused left or right. But you know,

483
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: I was just being told constantly, like die to yourself,

484
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: die to yourself, like you know, it doesn't matter. You'retired.

485
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: Die to that, like, die to whatever it is that

486
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: you're thinking, Like, die to your thoughts, just even simple

487
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: things like wanting to take my kids to the park

488
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: and just not think about anything. You're just like, I

489
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what the truth is anymore

490
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: because you're just so bubbled in that place. You're only

491
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: surrounded by them, what they're telling you. You can't be

492
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: on social media, at least for us. You're not communicating

493
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: with anybody outside. So you're literally just eating up everything

494
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: they're telling you constantly.

495
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: So you found out that you were pregnant, and how

496
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: did your relationship change with them?

497
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: Obviously it was unexpected. I had moved locations, so it

498
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: took forever to finally get an appointment to go get

499
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: a birth control implant. That's my instruction was, and that's

500
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: what I was there for. You know. Obviously they took

501
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: my urine and they said, oh, we can't give it

502
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: to you because you're pregnant. And just as they're telling me,

503
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm shocked, I'm hyperventilating, And the first thing I have

504
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: to do is, obviously I texted my husband and I

505
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: called my mentor because she, you know, the reason I

506
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: was there. I can no longer proceed, so they're like

507
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: asking all these weird questions. And then my mentor I

508
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: felt like she was kind of giving me like kind

509
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: of like don't talk to me, like I'm not happy

510
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: with you right now. That I just felt broken. I

511
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: went home after the Bible study. I cried and I

512
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: told my husband, I don't feel safe here and I

513
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: feel horrible that I'm even pregnant, like and I shouldn't

514
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: be feeling like this, and I broke down. I told

515
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: him I struggled with the fertility for six years. I

516
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: finally got pregnant at thirty years old again after my

517
00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: first child, and I felt that this pregnancy for me,

518
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: it was a blessing that God was, you know, doing

519
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: big things for me. And for them to treat me like,

520
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: oh no, like this was wrong. Like I even had

521
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: a nightmare. I had a nightmare that they were gonna

522
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: take my baby away. Whether it was true or not,

523
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that was my nightmare and I

524
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: felt it was valid. It was just my emotions, my anxiety,

525
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: and that was it for me. I started like going

526
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: deep into how am I going to get out of

527
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: here because they have control. After that, it was just

528
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: for me. It was more like how am I gonna leave?

529
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: What am I going to leave behind?

530
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 2: Like?

531
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: How do I get out of here?

532
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: When we return, Marilyn will guide us through her journey

533
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: of escaping. This is forgive me for I have followed.

534
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. Here's

535
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: the conclusion of our conversation with Marilyn.

536
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: I felt like, in a way, they wanted me to

537
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: die to my blood family, not just my family outside,

538
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: like my actual family, like I hardly say my husband.

539
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 1: It was only like at nighttime my kids that they

540
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: were being sent to other members' houses, like for me

541
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: to serve and be in other places. And that's just

542
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: it for me. And honestly that Bible said. I wanted

543
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: to just get home and wait for Kleian and hug

544
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: her and cry and tell her like I'm going to leave,

545
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: but I want you to leave with me, and I

546
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: didn't have the balls to do it. I regret it

547
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: because I felt maybe if I would have said something sooner,

548
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: I could have, you know, prevented other people from being hurt,

549
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: and maybe people still in there could have opened their eyes,

550
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't be there right now, so I was

551
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: left with a lot of regret.

552
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: No, it's really not your fault because it was such

553
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: a confusing time for all of us. And when you

554
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 3: finally told me that you were pregnant when we were there,

555
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: I was so excited for you, so like to hear

556
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 3: how they treated you regarding your pregnancy, and like it

557
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: was hard to hear then and it's still hard to

558
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 3: hear now, and like, I am really happy that you

559
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: were able to see it for what it was and

560
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: leave at the time that you did, And I think

561
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 3: I want to know, like how was that process like

562
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: for you leaving?

563
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: I was so motivate to get out of there. I

564
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: texted my husband. He was at the church at the time,

565
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: he was probably going to get home late, and I said,

566
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to pack everything I physically can and bags

567
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: and whatever. I'm going to leave it down stairs for you.

568
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: All you have to do is carry down the bed,

569
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: carry down our washroom dryer, because that was from our

570
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: house that we had purchased. And I'm just going to

571
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: take whatever I brought from my previous house and I'll

572
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: deal with the rest later. I took just my children's

573
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: belonging with my belongings, and I left, and I know

574
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: Khalia and Kevin, I think meanwhile, I was packing or something.

575
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: They came briefly and they didn't question it. They just

576
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: saw our stuff, and you know, it was kind of

577
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: like a sad goodbye, because yeah, there was just so

578
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: much I wanted to tell her, and I couldn't. I

579
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: was just in a rush to pack and just get

580
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: out of there. And I was always curious what they

581
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: said to the church once we left, because we lived

582
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: soad like it was literally like I think it took

583
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: us like a day and a half.

584
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: What did they say to you, Khalia when they left.

585
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: I'm curious after you guys had packed up and left,

586
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: they were trying to like make up some crazy story

587
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: like they're mad at you guys, like they don't want.

588
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: To be here.

589
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: They're really upset at you guys. That's why you shouldn't

590
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: talk to them. And then also like wow, right, no exactly,

591
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 3: and then oh, they're like, oh, they probably had like

592
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of like random people in the house to

593
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: like whatever, and all of your stuff is here, and

594
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: we were like.

595
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: Right, oh, that's funny, seriously.

596
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 3: And Kevin and I looked at them and we were like,

597
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: that's totally fine if they had family come and help.

598
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: That's what family does when you move place to place.

599
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: How else were they going to get all of their

600
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: stuff out of here? Like to us, we were like, okay, and.

601
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: That was a two person move and my husband and

602
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: let me tell you, it was not easy. We literally

603
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: left and drove off at night, but we still had

604
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: to come back the next day to recover a few

605
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: things and leave a few things. And it wasn't like

606
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: we cut off complete communication after that, you know, a

607
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 1: few months past and then you know, our family was

608
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: totally confused, like we hadn't talked to at least me

609
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: and my family. I hadn't talked to them in like

610
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: seven months. I cut them off cold turkey. So when

611
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: we came back, they didn't even know how to talk

612
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: to us. It was like seeing aliens for the first time.

613
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: The only people we actually had communication at first was

614
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: my husband's mother. She welcomed us and we all crammed

615
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: in her room and when we left, she gave us

616
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: permission to stay there until we found somewhere to go.

617
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: And it's a big change when you're going from literally

618
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: complete dependency and just following orders and instructions. Your mindset

619
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: is just like, Okay, what do I do next? Can

620
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: I do this? That? To finally getting your freedom back

621
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: and having to think for yourself, it's a complete change.

622
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: And my husband struggled a little bit more than I did. Spiritually.

623
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: He couldn't talk about it, he couldn't talk about the church,

624
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 1: he didn't want to talk to me about it.

625
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: He was just mute.

626
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: And he still had that kind of mentality to die

627
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: to yourself. So anything I wanted to do, like now

628
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: that we were free, hey, let's go did this, Let's

629
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: take the kids here. I want to do I want

630
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: to buy this, his response was always like, die to yourself,

631
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: Die to yourself.

632
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: And I felt like.

633
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: Even though we left physically, he was still there spiritually,

634
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: and there was a time that we were almost getting

635
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: stuck back in. He was like emailing Matthew, his mentor

636
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: at the time, and I emailed truly, and I was

637
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know if we did the right thing.

638
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of how when you finally leave, it's

639
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: not so easy, Like you don't just because you leave

640
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you feel free. Like we still felt

641
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: like we.

642
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: Had to go back.

643
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Like there was a time we almost went back, and

644
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: I think I think you remember it was around the

645
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: time you were leaving, around the process of leaving. I

646
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: didn't know that till after, but it was like fourth

647
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: of July. I already had my baby and we went

648
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: over there and we were literally so close to rejoining

649
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: because we thought maybe everything they told us was true,

650
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: and we were so lost. We were scared we were

651
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Speaker 1: being cursed and that's why, you know, things were not

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Speaker 1: going so well, and we were slowly coming back and

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Speaker 1: thank god we didn't because I was like, no, like

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Speaker 1: we left for a reason, I'm going to stick to that.

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Speaker 1: And if we're cursed, if things happened to us, because

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Speaker 1: this was the tutrition, and so be it. But we

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Speaker 1: finally got back on our feet and we started thinking

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Speaker 1: for ourselves again, and like things started moving along and

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Speaker 1: we finally like woke up and we started seeing things

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Speaker 1: for what they were, all the red flags. Everything just

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Speaker 1: came out of nowhere like boom. But it took a while.

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Speaker 1: It was a process.

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Speaker 3: And I remember that fourth of July because that was

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Speaker 3: the day after we decided to leave.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, oh that was like the very next day.

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Speaker 4: A little bit later.

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Speaker 3: That's when Jessica and I got together and started talking

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Speaker 3: and getting involved with the documentary.

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Speaker 4: And I really want to know, like, what.

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Speaker 3: Was it like for you after the documentary came out,

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Speaker 3: just like your reaction to it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to watch it at first. I wasn't ready.

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Speaker 1: My husband watched the first and I was on like

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Speaker 1: my little corner office, but I could hear the documentary

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Speaker 1: plane and anytime they played an audio of just like

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Speaker 1: a not in my stomach. But when I saw it all,

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Speaker 1: like it kind of brought peace to me to know that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys were able to share your story

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Speaker 1: and like you guys understood in a sense what we

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Speaker 1: went through, why we left, you know, all the red flags.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't in my head, no, So it was super

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Speaker 1: amazing to watch and just to hear you guys and

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Speaker 1: to know that we weren't alone.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for sitting and having this conversation

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Speaker 3: with us. And I know the conversation between us was

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Speaker 3: so overdue that I'm glad to be able to do

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Speaker 3: it in this way where we could like potentially help

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Speaker 3: other people that have been involved and it gave me

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Speaker 3: a lot of like closure and good reminder as to

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Speaker 3: like why I did the documentary in the first place. Yes,

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Speaker 3: this was a shared experience between all of us, like

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Speaker 3: we all have the story because this is what was

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Speaker 3: really going on, Like it's definitely not in your head,

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Speaker 3: and like I'm hoping that other people will hear that

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Speaker 3: and know that too, whether it be this situation or

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Speaker 3: a different situation. But no, I really want to thank

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Speaker 3: you for your vulnerability to come on and talk with

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Speaker 3: us about it, and you know, hopefully we can make

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Speaker 3: you know some more waves to let more people hear

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Speaker 3: and help them not feel so alone as well.

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Speaker 4: Now, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's a scary thing to voice and say your story

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Speaker 1: and what you went through, So thank you for being

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Speaker 1: one of the brave ones.

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Speaker 3: Marylyn's story of leaving the church and embarking on a

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Speaker 3: new beginning is deeply inspiring. We wish her the very

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Speaker 3: best on her journey toward dealing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning into this episode of Forgive Me

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Speaker 2: For I Have Followed. We are extremely thankful to Marilyn

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Speaker 2: for sharing her experience with us. We'll be back next.

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Speaker 3: Week Forgive Me For I Have Followed is a production

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Speaker 3: from WVCA, Dirty Robert and iHeartMedia's Michael Tore podcast network,

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Speaker 3: hosted by me Khalia Gray and me Jess Talsovetto Forgive

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Speaker 3: Me for I Have Followed is produced by Aaron Berlson

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Speaker 3: and Sophie Spencer zabos.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Khalia Gray, myself, Walmer Balderama, Leo

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Speaker 2: Klam and Aaron Burlison at wv Sound.

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Speaker 3: This episode was edited by Sean Tracy and features original

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Speaker 3: music by Madison Davenport and Halo Boy. For more podcasts

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Speaker 3: from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 3: you listen to your favorite shows. See you next week,

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