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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. I'm Hannah Elliott and

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller.

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Speaker 2: This is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's podcast, we have a very special

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Speaker 1: farewell episode with our very own Keith Manton, who joined

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg as an automotive reporter in two thousand and nine

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Speaker 1: and has been covering cars, especially Ford since then. He

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Speaker 1: is really an institution at this point. I think he's

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Speaker 1: been reporting for over forty years.

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Speaker 2: On cars, on cars for over forty years, so he

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Speaker 2: spends way back into the eighties. Very cool to talk

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Speaker 2: to Keith. I have relied on him for decades in

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Speaker 2: terms of getting help in my coverage of the automotive industry,

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Speaker 2: and like, whenever I have a really big interview, I'll

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Speaker 2: call up Keith and just game plan with him about

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Speaker 2: what I should ask and what we want to get

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Speaker 2: out of it. So, yeah, a real resource will be lost.

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Speaker 2: But also it's so cool for him, like getting to

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Speaker 2: another stage.

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Speaker 1: In life completely and he's still he's still young. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's still running marathons and has quite a vibrant life

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Speaker 1: with his with his Subaru.

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Speaker 2: He tells us and his family, Yeah, we'll get into

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Speaker 2: that we're also going to talk about Audi. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the German car industry, as we've been discussing, is going

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Speaker 2: through such upheaval and it has resulted in an amazing

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Speaker 2: amount of job losses at audi parent company Folkswagen, and

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Speaker 2: as well as their individual divisions. Those job losses extend

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Speaker 2: to BMW as well. Now we know thousands of jobs

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Speaker 2: will be lost there and Mercedes. But in a way,

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Speaker 2: I think Audi has already had its crisis, and so

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Speaker 2: this is one company that I think is right for

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Speaker 2: a rebound. And you saw one of their new vehicle

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Speaker 2: offerings this week. That's part of the reason that you're

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Speaker 2: in New York. Plus, I want to touch again on

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Speaker 2: the Mercedes AMG GT, like the whole lineup. I'm driving

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Speaker 2: the GT Pro right now, which, as we said last week,

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Speaker 2: is kind of like the if you want to make

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Speaker 2: a nine to eleven analogy, it's the GT three of

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Speaker 2: their lineup. They have also the GT sixty three se Performance,

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Speaker 2: which is a mouthful. And you know they're all very expensive,

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Speaker 2: but that's like the turbos you could just buy. I

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Speaker 2: guess you could buy an older one, but I've been

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Speaker 2: thinking about it a lot lately. Because I've been driving it,

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Speaker 2: and because I've been hearing people on other podcasts complain

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Speaker 2: about like just rich guy go fast cars. So Doug

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Speaker 2: and co on the Cars and Bid podcasts got a

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Speaker 2: letter this week explaining or complaining that McLaren's are just

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Speaker 2: a rich guy, go fast car. Right that there. I

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Speaker 2: guess the idea is that they're super expensive. That's the

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Speaker 2: only barrier to entry, but otherwise they work fine and

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Speaker 2: there's nothing super special about them. Those guys pushed back

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Speaker 2: on it, Yeah, go ahead, but they were sort of

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Speaker 2: arguing for these enthusiast cars, these special, you know, high

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Speaker 2: end vehicles that weed out the rich guys who don't

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Speaker 2: know or don't care, right, because you've got a deal,

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Speaker 2: if you want to kontash Hannah for example, you've got

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Speaker 2: to deal with, you know, the difficulty driving it, the

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Speaker 2: fact that there's no cup holders or whatever. And their

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Speaker 2: pushback was that, hey, McLaren has its own problems as well,

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Speaker 2: but I don't understand why you need to have problems

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Speaker 2: in the vehicle to make it like enthusiast approved.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, something that's problematic doesn't make it virtuous. That

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Speaker 1: exactly backward logic and.

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Speaker 2: And then I was thinking, if there is a rich

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Speaker 2: guy go fast car, like a multiple one hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: super high horsepower, absolutely beautifully designed vehicle. These Mercedes amggts

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Speaker 2: are it. And I don't mean that in a bad way,

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Speaker 2: but like they're very expensive, right, they're over two hundred

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Speaker 2: six hundred or seven hundred or eight hundred horse power

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Speaker 2: depending on the version that you buy, and but they're

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Speaker 2: it's also exhilarating. It's not like it's not at all, right,

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Speaker 2: it sounds amazing. They're comfortable to drive, they're luxurious, but

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Speaker 2: they're amazing gts. Like I feel like this is this

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Speaker 1: I think what you're describing is the opposite of how

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Speaker 1: you defined rich guy go fast. I mean everything you're

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Speaker 1: describing depicts nuance and character and personality and intelligence and

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Speaker 1: to me, if I'm understanding your definition of rich guy

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Speaker 1: go fast, that's just like sort of a generic fast

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I don't actually see

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Speaker 1: that many AMGGT sixty threes around and I drive through

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Speaker 1: and appreciate it, because it's not ubiquitous like a nine

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Speaker 2: is I guess the one drawback I guess in part

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Speaker 2: and you do maybe not get that as much with

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Speaker 2: still do make at Mercedes affordable cars right or practical cars.

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Speaker 2: But I think this one is just so special. And

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Speaker 2: I've driven now I think three at least three versions

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Speaker 2: four door versions, which I which I don't enjoy as much.

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Speaker 2: They're just such amazing vehicles. I can't believe how good

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Speaker 2: yet they stay exhilarating in fun when you throw them

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Speaker 2: in to corners. This sound is amazing, even though it's

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Speaker 2: a manufactured sound coming through your stereo. Yes, they have

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Speaker 2: like certain pipes coming from the engine into the cabin,

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Speaker 2: but it's still real. It's so comfortable. I was thinking

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Speaker 2: how could they make this better? And I thought, for

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Speaker 1: I completely agree, and I think even though Mercedes has

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Speaker 1: so I completely agree. As you know, the E Performance

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Speaker 1: Time flies, Time flies, Yeah, I totally agree. I as

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Speaker 1: I said, I would probably choose it over a nine

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Speaker 2: I think it's better looking, you really, And I'm a

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven like obviously a great car, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: Like to me, the nine to eleven is the answer

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Speaker 2: the one I am driving, which is in like I

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Speaker 2: Normally I'm not a white car fan, but I actually

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Speaker 2: really like this one in exactly moonlight white. Magno. It's

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Speaker 2: I would I would definitely take one over at nine

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Speaker 1: These are cars that make us smile, and I think

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Speaker 1: life is too short to drive cars that don't make

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Speaker 1: you smile. Whatever that means for you.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sure I've told you a million times,

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Speaker 2: but speaking of cars that make me smile, I was

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Speaker 2: having lunch with an executive from Audi today and I

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Speaker 2: like got some money from my grandmother for a down

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Speaker 2: buy an Audi A four A Vaunt, which is the

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Speaker 2: wagon version in Dolphin Gray. I chose the two point

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Speaker 2: so that like just talking about that with her was

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Speaker 2: brought back such a huge smile to my face and

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Speaker 2: such amazing memories, Like I still remember the day I

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Speaker 2: rocked up on the train and like took a taxi

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Speaker 2: and it was an amazing car. I regret having sold it.

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Speaker 2: I wish I still had it. And you just saw

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Speaker 1: Out. He's got plenty plenty and it's uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yes, there you go, There you go, And so does

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Speaker 2: Keith Norton. Right, how's that for a transition. Bloomberg Auto

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Dude?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know I'm winding down.

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Speaker 1: When's your last day tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god?

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Speaker 3: Wow, what a run. Yeah, it's been great, forty one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I've seen a lot over those four decades.

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Speaker 2: So wait, Keith, how many years have you been married?

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Speaker 3: Less than that? Thirty nine? So, yes, it's from where

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Speaker 3: I'm from Detroit. I'm a Detroit boy. And the way

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Speaker 1: Forty one years later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here we are, Here we are.

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Speaker 1: I have to ask keep as a top note, what

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Speaker 3: I've always felt like the American auto industry is a

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Speaker 2: Even vehicles, right because America, the American auto industry mostly

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Speaker 3: Now yeah, I mean for sure, and makes a ton

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Speaker 3: and that's not just a result of President Trumpeting taking

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Speaker 2: in terms of bringing out a new product, the insul,

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Speaker 2: and now that story is the cyber truck. They've taken

436
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Speaker 2: that mantle.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely that the eSeL failure destroyed Ford's CEO of the time,

438
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Speaker 3: Monkey Knutsen, and destroyed his career. The family, the Ford

439
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: family never really wanted the Exell name on there because

440
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Speaker 3: they worried it would you know, the spurch the name

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Speaker 3: of Henry Ford's son, eSeL Ford, and that'sl Ford the

442
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Speaker 3: second who is Henry Ford's son. So you know it

443
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Speaker 3: it is a black mark for the company, for the family.

444
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Speaker 3: And I know that Elon doesn't admit failure, but the

445
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Speaker 3: cyber truck is not on a prosperous road.

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Speaker 1: Steeth, I'm so curious. You know, we're talking about this

447
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Speaker 1: idea of you and you have really been in close

448
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: uh contact with these legendary figures like Alan Malali, you know,

449
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: Bob Lutz I remember covering even back in the day,

450
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Speaker 1: and I'm curious it seems like these days, you know,

451
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: in our modern world, car companies are the executives are

452
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Speaker 1: really not quite as swash buckling as they used to be.

453
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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if you see a different kind of

454
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Speaker 1: hubris in the companies today, and I'm thinking, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: in relation to what's happening in China and just some

456
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Speaker 1: sort of miscalculations with what a lot of automakers thought

457
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: they could do there that there turns out they can't do.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Can you just talk a little bit about how you

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Speaker 1: have seen the nature of the culture of the car companies,

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Speaker 1: especially the people operateaing and running them. How has that

462
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Speaker 1: changed in your career or has it really?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it definitely has, Hannah, You've put your finger

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Speaker 3: on it. And you know when I was first, I

465
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Speaker 3: was at the Detroit News after the Indianapolis News, and

466
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Speaker 3: I was when I was there, I was covering Chrysler,

467
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Speaker 3: which means I was covering Leiah Coca and me Leiah

468
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: Coca pulled no punches. He went on that famous trade

469
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Speaker 3: mission to Japan with George H. W. Bush Shoy back

470
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Speaker 3: when when I don't if you remember, but President Bush

471
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Speaker 3: ended up throwing up on the lap of the Prime

472
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Speaker 3: Minister because he got sick traveling anyway. Rito was on

473
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Speaker 3: that trip. He flies back and gives a speech immediately

474
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Speaker 3: at the Detroit Economic Club where he says, we should

475
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Speaker 3: go to war against Japan, which you know, that kind

476
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Speaker 3: of language was a little probably out of bounds, but

477
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Speaker 3: he didn't care. Yeah, yeah, and I was. I was

478
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Speaker 3: walking and talking with Bob Lutz with a few of

479
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Speaker 3: my other reporter friends at the New York Auto Show

480
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Speaker 3: several years ago when he uttered the immortal global warming

481
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Speaker 3: is a crock of wop. And I'm editing that last

482
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Speaker 3: part there. So these guys say what's on their mind.

483
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: You know, as with any industry, as you get farther

484
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Speaker 3: from the founders, as you get farther from the Steve jobs,

485
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: they get more bureaucratic and more conservative, and they have

486
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Speaker 3: handlers who tell them what to say and what not

487
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Speaker 3: to say. Some people like lots can't be constrained by that.

488
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: I remember talking to Lotz's PR practitioner, and that guy said,

489
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Speaker 3: I don't counsel Bob Blotz. I witness boblots and that

490
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: was very true. But these days it's a little harder.

491
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Speaker 3: I find Mary Barrow a little more careful in her

492
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Speaker 3: commentary than Jim Farley. I feel like Jim Farley Ford

493
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Speaker 3: CEO speaks his mind a little bit, but it's a

494
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Speaker 3: long way from the Leia Coca days.

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Speaker 2: I remember when Farley said he wanted to beat DM

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Speaker 2: with a baseball bat. I mean, he is a pretty

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Speaker 2: outspoken CEO, and you cover primarily Ford, right, what what

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Speaker 2: what do you make of Farley versus you know, the

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Speaker 2: last few predecessors versus you know, Alan Malalley versus Jacques.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they've had some pretty colorful characters in there.

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Speaker 3: They have, absolutely I covered Jack Nasser too, Yeah, he

502
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Speaker 3: was very colorful. And I guess the through line on

503
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Speaker 3: some of these guys who are more slash buckling, are

504
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Speaker 3: more characters is that they're really into cars. And you know,

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Speaker 3: Farley races cars on the weekend. I know you guys

506
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Speaker 3: have had Farley on your show before, and my goodness,

507
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Speaker 3: when Matt and Farley get going, I need a decoder

508
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: to figure out what they're talking about because they go

509
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: so deep into the racing stuff. So Farley definitely has

510
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Speaker 3: the petrol in his veins, as they say in Europe.

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Speaker 3: But so so that really helps them. I think it

512
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Speaker 3: definitely orients the company to take some chances. But you know,

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Speaker 3: the next phase of the automotive, you know, evolution, will

514
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Speaker 3: probably be a little different from those from those you

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Speaker 3: know hot lap racing days. I mean, we can still

516
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Speaker 3: do hot laps in electric vehicle, right, Matt. But it's

517
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Speaker 3: it's going to change, and it's just a different era

518
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Speaker 3: than it was back in its beginnings when folks were

519
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, everybody talked about Bob Lutz's golden gut.

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Speaker 3: That's how they made product decisions. Now product decisions are

521
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Speaker 3: made by committee, but.

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Speaker 2: They still I mean, Keith, don't you think the pendulum

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Speaker 2: has it seems swung too far, not just in terms

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Speaker 2: of the powertrain, like for a moment, everybody was fully

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Speaker 2: dedicated to going all EV by twenty thirty five or whatever,

526
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Speaker 2: but also in terms of the other stuff that Hannah

527
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Speaker 2: and I talk about all the time, Like a lot

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Speaker 2: of carmakers had planned on no more buttons or knobs

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Speaker 2: in their cars. They they were going to go, and

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Speaker 2: now they realize the consumer doesn't want all screens, so

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Speaker 2: they're gonna it has to swing back the other direction.

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Speaker 3: But I think what happens is is they they see

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Speaker 3: it as a zero sum game. So if people are

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Speaker 3: complaining about the touch screens that you know are too

535
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Speaker 3: have too much latency, and you touch something and you

536
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Speaker 3: have to wait a long time, so you start touching

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Speaker 3: it again. Then you're turning on and off the heated seats.

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Speaker 3: If they complain about that to JD Power, then it's like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, let's just go back to one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent buttons. And that's not actually, I don't think what

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Speaker 3: people want. They want some you know, sort of logical

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Speaker 3: practical combination. People now view touch screens as a part

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Speaker 3: of a modern automobile. You can't have a car without

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Speaker 3: a touch screen in the center of the dash or

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Speaker 3: or they feel like they're driving around in an atsle.

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Speaker 3: So you need to have that. You need some functionality.

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Speaker 3: You can't just have a dumb terminal that does nothing.

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00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: It has to do something. But perhaps those things like

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Speaker 3: heated seats and volume controls and HVAC controls still need

550
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Speaker 3: to be redundant knobs and dials so that people don't

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Speaker 3: have to turn away from the road, don't have to

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Speaker 3: look away from the road just to simply turn up

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Speaker 3: the radio.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I'm very curious. You wrote a piece relatively

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Speaker 1: recently about Ford and j Y building cars together in Spain,

556
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Speaker 1: and that to me is really interesting because it seems,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've heard you speak on other Bloomberg things

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Speaker 1: about back in the day, it was American automakers were

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Speaker 1: very scared of the Japanese brands from coming to the US.

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Speaker 1: Now they're very scared of about the Chinese brands coming

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Speaker 1: to the US. In your perspective, where are we is

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote threat from the Chinese automakers as is

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Speaker 1: it the same as it was with the Japanese brands?

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Speaker 1: And is it inevitable that when we see this creep

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Speaker 1: so to speak, of Ford now working with Chila Cent,

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Speaker 1: is it actually inevitable that we will see Chinese vehicles

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Speaker 1: sold in the US? Ultimately?

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Speaker 3: I think that is absolutely inevitable. And that's what Bill Ford,

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Speaker 3: Ford's executive chairman, said a couple of weeks ago. The

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Speaker 3: Chinese will come to America eventually. These trade barriers will

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Speaker 3: eventually fall. American consumers are becoming aware, you know, through

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Speaker 3: social media and influencers of these really high tech, low

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Speaker 3: priced Chinese SUVs that are everywhere, electric SUVs that are

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Speaker 3: everywhere else in the world, and they're going to start

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Speaker 3: demanding them, particularly since we have the supportability crisis in

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Speaker 3: America where the average price of a new car is

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Speaker 3: fifty Grand, so it is inevitable. There are definitely parallels

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Speaker 3: between what happened in the nineteen eighties when I was

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Speaker 3: first on the beat and everybody was worried about the Japanese.

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Speaker 3: And one of the first big stories I covered in

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis was where would Toyota locate its first factory? Indiana

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Speaker 3: was its hat in the Ring, and eventually it was Georgetown, Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: So I was there for that groundbreaking. What the Japanese

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Speaker 3: did is they were excellent on quality and efficiency and cost.

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00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: What the Chinese do is they're excellent on efficiency and cost,

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00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: but they also have really good tech. You know, you

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00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 3: sit in the Chinese suv electric suv and it has

588
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: facial recognition that customizes the dashboard, so everything, every screen

589
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: in front of you is tailored just to you where

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00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: you like things to be, pictures of your family, whatever

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00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 3: it is you want. And the way that you customize

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Speaker 3: your mobile phone is how your dash appears to you

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Speaker 3: when you sit in the car because it recognizes your face. Also,

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Speaker 3: when you get to a parking garage and you don't

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Speaker 3: want to drive up and look for a space, you

596
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: just get out of your car and it goes up

597
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: on the tone and finds the space on its own

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Speaker 3: and parks itself, and when you come out of your

599
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: meeting or your dinner, you just you just call it

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00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: and it comes down to you. I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: the kind of tech the Chinese are offering and that

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00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 3: America currently can't match. Well.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if is there any product or is there

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Speaker 2: any market for a product that has no tech with

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Speaker 2: which we don't have to connect our mobile phones. I

606
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: don't have to like put my fingerprint in and agree

607
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: to like sign a hip a waiver for Is there

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Speaker 2: any chance of an automaker giving us an analog product again?

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00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: Or do the regulations make that impossible?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think you know, you look at Slate, you know,

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00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: the Jeff Bezos backed electric pickup truck or what do

612
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 3: we call that? Is it a pickup or is an suv?

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: It's whatever you want to make it right, It is

614
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: called slate because it is a clean flate and you

615
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: can figure it any way you want to online. And

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00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: that's a vehicle that's that's going to start under thirty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars. So bare Bones is different today than bare

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00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: Bones used to be. I don't think Barebones is ever

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Speaker 3: going to go back to, you know, an internal combustion

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00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: engine car that you can work on as a shade

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Speaker 3: tree mechanic and has roll up windows. No, you can get.

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Speaker 3: What you need is a barebones EV that still has

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Speaker 3: the tech you want, but at a very low price,

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00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: and that takes ruthless efficiency. So I think you know

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00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: there is there is a huge market for reasonably priced cars,

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00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: whether they're electric or hybrid or internal combustion engine. That

627
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: is just something that Detroit and the broader auto industry

628
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: hasn't been serving, and people have been defecting to the

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Speaker 3: used car market. So if you can come up with

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00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: that mouse trap at a lower price, you will get

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Speaker 3: a lot of customers and that volume will give you.

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Speaker 1: Keith, I want to pivot a little bit and go

633
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Speaker 1: back back to the early days when you were growing

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Speaker 1: up in Detroit. Were you interested in cars for yourself

635
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Speaker 1: or were you just sort of immersed in it because

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Speaker 1: it was Detroit.

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Speaker 3: I think it's more the latter, Hannah. I've never been

638
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: the shade tree mechanic that I just referred to. That

639
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: I am certain that Matt is, But it was around

640
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: a lot of those sort of people people on my

641
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: street growing up had had cars in their garage that

642
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: they raced. I remember, you know, I'm a little young

643
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: for the for the muscle car stuff that was in

644
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: the late sixties, but my older brothers were involved in that.

645
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Speaker 3: And I remember riding in a gto the first time

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Speaker 3: I ever went one hundred miles an hour in a car.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, that was just that was the town

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00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: it is, you know, it is the motor city. So

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Speaker 3: you really can't help but absorb that stuff. So you're

650
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Speaker 3: fascinated by the industry. It employs most of the people.

651
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Speaker 3: You know.

652
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Speaker 2: So your daughter is a reporter as well. Is she

653
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Speaker 2: also covering automotive.

654
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Speaker 3: She covered Yeah, she covered the auto industry for for

655
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Speaker 3: the Detroit News, where I once worked for the Wall

656
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: Street Journal and for a Business Insider, So she's and

657
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: she interned at the Automotive News. So yeah, she covered

658
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: the industry. She she left reporting about a year ago,

659
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: but but she did that for about ten years and

660
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: it was such a pleasure to be on the beat

661
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 3: with her. We covered auto shows together. We scrummed Jim

662
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 3: Farley together.

663
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Speaker 2: Photo.

664
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Speaker 1: I saw that photo.

665
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was it was it was great. And I mean,

666
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Speaker 3: just like I was talking about growing up in Detroit,

667
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: growing up in you know, our household. She couldn't help by,

668
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: but through osmosis, you know, get an interest in this,

669
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: this fascinating industry we cover.

670
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: But do you think, Keith, I'm sorry, do you think

671
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: the auto industry is going to be different for her

672
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: or her children than it was for us and our parents?

673
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: Like?

674
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: Are kids going to care about buying a cool car

675
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: having a cool car at any point in their lives?

676
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: Or is it just about like mobility solutions getting from

677
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: A to B from now on?

678
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: You know, I have three kids, they're all young adults now,

679
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: but I've been around all their friends. I don't think

680
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: it's just Detroit. Young people still are love cars. I've

681
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: always thought it's total bs that they're more into their

682
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: mobile phones than they aren't a cars. That's just not true.

683
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: Kids love to drive. Kids are fascinated by the technology

684
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: of cars. They want their cars to be a rolling

685
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: mobile phone. They want it to be part of their

686
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: digital life. But you know, I see how they drive.

687
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: My goodness, They're not driving like Granny's or something. They

688
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 3: love cars, and I think that continues. The only question

689
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: I have about the future is will those cars be

690
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: made by American automakers or will they be made by

691
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: Chinese automakers and other Asian automakers. So that's the question

692
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: is you know, it's a very perilous time for the

693
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: American auto industry. They've been given this reprieve by Donald

694
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: Trump and before him, Joe Biden. Let's not forget he

695
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: put one hundred percent tariffs on Chinese evs. They've been

696
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 3: given this moment to get more competitive, to come up

697
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: with better cars, and they better take it because when

698
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: the Chinese do eventually arrive, they need.

699
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 5: To be able to compete against them.

700
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm curious.

701
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: This goes back to my previous question, which was to

702
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: what do you attribute your longevity in this field and

703
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: as a reporter. You know, we know journalists have certain

704
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: different strengths. Each journalist is a little different. Did you

705
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: have any particular strength that you thought was really key

706
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: to you following this industry and these stories?

707
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: What's the Keith not and unique selling point?

708
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I'm on a job interview. No,

709
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it all started out like many

710
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: of us in journalism. I was a kid growing up.

711
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: I was good at English, I was good at writing

712
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 3: stories and that's what fueled me. I was fascinated by

713
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: Watergate and all the President's Men, both the book and

714
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: the movie. But I also loved Rolling Stone magazine, and

715
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: I loved rock journalism, and and you know, so so

716
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 3: I grew up immersed and all that kind of stuff.

717
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 3: And then you just, you know, you pursue a career

718
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: and something that already fascinates you. That's what I've told

719
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: my three kids. You know, you can do whatever you

720
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 3: want to do, but it's what you'll do for most

721
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: of the hours of your day, so you better enjoy it.

722
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 3: And I always enjoyed it. And you know, one job

723
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: led to the next, led to the next. I feel

724
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: very fortunate, very very fortunate that I've been able to

725
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: work for a bunch of international news organizations. I went

726
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: from the Detroit News to BusinessWeek Magazine when it was

727
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 3: owned by McGraw hill, to Newsweek Magazine for ten years

728
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: as the Detroit bureau chief, and then to Bloomberg for

729
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: the last seventeen years, where I came back to BusinessWeek

730
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: Magazine after we bought it. And I've been able to

731
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: stay in the same place. My kids went to the

732
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: same schools. It's been marvelous that I've been able to

733
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: advance in my career because this industry is so big

734
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: it can't be ignored by the national and international media.

735
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: And they've always had bureaus here so I could just

736
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: do bureau work. I've been working for New York editors

737
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: for the last thirty years, and I've been right here

738
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: in Detroit, by the way.

739
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: As much as especially journalists, but especially New York editors

740
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Speaker 2: want to or it. Do you find like I do,

741
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: that you know, the sort of Northeastern intellectual elite which

742
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: runs I guess the media in America seems to have

743
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: not only no understanding, but no desire to know anything

744
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: about cars, unlike the rest of the country in the middle.

745
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: Well, I guess since I'm retiring and they can't fire me,

746
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: now I can really unload. But no, here's the challenge

747
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: with some New York editors, not all because many New

748
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: York editors, many New Yorkers, are just transplanted from somewhere

749
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: else in the country where they drove cars. But you

750
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: don't have to drive a car in New York, particularly

751
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: if you know you live in Manhattan. All you have

752
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: to do is hop the subway and it costs a

753
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: lot to have a car in Manhattan, with garaging it

754
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: and so forth, so people don't. So that has been

755
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 3: a challenge through the years writing about cars for people

756
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: who don't own and drive them and buy them. That

757
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 3: is a challenge for sure. I think that is part

758
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: of how you end up with these stories that kids

759
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: care more about cell phones phones than they do about cars,

760
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: because that is probably certainly true in New York City

761
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: because kids are not getting the driver's license at sixteen

762
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: years old as they are out here and eager to

763
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: drive a car because that's not what mom and dad

764
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: were doing either. So I do think it can color

765
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: your view. That's why you need good, strong Detroit bureaus

766
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: and bureaus elsewhere in the country that can provide that

767
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 3: point of view.

768
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: But it does seem like if Hannah writes a story

769
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: about Ferrari, that's going to go top ten most read

770
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: almost every single time. And yet editors who have never

771
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: owned or driven a car, they don't care as much

772
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: as they do about a story on Apple for example,

773
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 2: you know, or something that they do interact with every day,

774
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: like it doesn't have to be a story on the

775
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: market cap. But even like the next iPhone? What's going

776
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: to have? Don't you feel like we are overlooked by

777
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 2: a lot of the leadership in mainstream media.

778
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: I think there is an attitude by some, not all, again,

779
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: certainly not by the top editors here at Bloomberg, who

780
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: we have a thriving Detroit terre. I'm sitting in it

781
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: right now, and we have a lot of people dedicated

782
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: to covering this industry. But I think there's an attitude

783
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: in a lot of media that Detroit is already dead,

784
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 3: that it's a twentieth century relic that's been out of

785
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: business for years, rather than a business that employs tens

786
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: of hundreds of thousands of people around the world, and

787
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: it's still very much in the mix. GM still sells

788
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: more cars than anybody else in America, period, so you know,

789
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: I think that is lost on folks. I think part

790
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: of the problem, too, is the types of cars that

791
00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: Detroit sells also propagates this, you know of obsolescence because

792
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: it's pickup trucks. And you don't see a lot of

793
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 3: pickup trucks in Manhattan unless they're being driven by you know,

794
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: commercial businesses. But out here in the Midwest that's the

795
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 3: predominant vehicle. And it doesn't mean you're a farmer, it

796
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you're a blue collar worker, it doesn't mean

797
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: you're a contractor. It's just what people like to drive.

798
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, great family, great family car. I guess I have

799
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: a little bit of a chip on my shoulder, Keith,

800
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: because we have, like, you know, hours of television programming

801
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: dedicated solely to tech and and and we don't have

802
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: one show that's about cars. And yet, yes, we've just

803
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: learned that cars are global trade, cars are global politics.

804
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: Like everything that Trump does with Canada and Mexico and

805
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: all these concerns about China and the Bridge to Europe,

806
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: like it's all about global automotive production.

807
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you know, say what you will about Trump,

808
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 3: but he gets the cars. Automotive is a trophy industry.

809
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: So two to the Democrats. I'm not saying that Biden

810
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: didn't understand that or Obama. Obama saved the auto industry right,

811
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: taking a handoff from George W. Bush. They both recognized

812
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: that the American auto industry couldn't go under its critical

813
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: to national security. It's critical to national defense, you know.

814
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: GM and Florida right now bidding for a new contract

815
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: with the Department of Defense. So you know, this is

816
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: an essential industry for any major economic power. If you

817
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: don't have a thriving domestic auto industry, you are not

818
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: a top tier economic power. And I think that's recognized

819
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: in Washington. I know it's not new tech. I know

820
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: the companies have been around for over one hundred years,

821
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: but they're still essential.

822
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Speaker 1: I think I'm going to quote you on that, Keith,

823
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: that is so bracing and clarifying to hear. It's nice

824
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: to hear your perspectives on that, having been in it

825
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: for so long. I don't want to talk too much

826
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: about AI, but do you see AI affecting the reach

827
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Speaker 1: of the traditional OEMs.

828
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think AI is going to be huge, and

829
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: it's going to be everywhere in the first place it's at.

830
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 3: And this actually gives the American auto makers an opportunity

831
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: or a tool to try and catch up with the Chinese.

832
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: Is it can really speed up product development times. That's

833
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: one of the big areas where the Chinese have a

834
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: huge advantage. They can conceive and come up with and

835
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 3: put a car on the road in two years, and

836
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: it takes American automakers and Western automakers in general twice

837
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 3: that at least, and you've got to cut that time down.

838
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 3: It reduces cost, it gets your latest fashions out on

839
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 3: the streets quicker. So it's something that's essential, and AI

840
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: can really speed up that development process. And then when

841
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: you talk about AI in the car, well, as I

842
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 3: was saying earlier, touchscreens, having a rolling mobile phone part

843
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 3: of your digital life, AI will help people get from

844
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 3: point A to point B more efficiently and more comfort

845
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: And you know, we are of course entering the age

846
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 3: of you know, I don't like to call them self

847
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: driving cars, but you know of a lot of autonomy

848
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 3: in your car more and more. We already have hands

849
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: off with Tesla, with GM, with Forward, with Many, and

850
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: the Chinese have it even better. You know, when we

851
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: get to that kind of level for autonomy where you

852
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: really can take your eyes off the road and do

853
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: other stuff that needs to be AI assisted, I.

854
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Speaker 2: Mean I always thought to develop a new car are

855
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: from scratch, you had to spend a billion dollars and

856
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 2: five years, which is why a lot of the new

857
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 2: cars we get are things that we wanted like five

858
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: years ago rather than what we want now. Is that

859
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 2: how significantly. Do you think that timeline is going to change.

860
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: Keith, Well, here I have a modern example of that

861
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: that's happening right now in real time. So Ford just

862
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 3: discontinued it's Ford Escape Crossover mid compact crossover suv hybrid.

863
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 3: They've taken affordably priced hybrid off the market. At the

864
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: very moment gas prices have gone above four dollars a gallon. Wow.

865
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Speaker 3: Do you think that decision was made with current times

866
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: in mind? That decision was made three or four years ago,

867
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: right and its replacement or the alternative for a buyer

868
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 3: going into the Ford showroom right now, is the Bronco

869
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: Sport Compact suv, which does not offer a hybrid feature.

870
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 3: Were those decisions made with today in mind? Clearly not.

871
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 3: They were made years ago and they look very wrong

872
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: right now. So if you can reduce the development time

873
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: and also have the ability to pivot quicker, you know,

874
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: two years is still a long time. But if as

875
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: you're approaching the market you see this soaring gas prices,

876
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 3: maybe you pivot and you get that hybrid out there

877
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: that much quicker.

878
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: By the way, do you after so many years of

879
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: covering forward, do you like prefer the Mustang to the Corvette, or.

880
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: Do you have careful careful?

881
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell us now because you're leaving. I mean,

882
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: do you have favorites or are there big flops that

883
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: you can't believe they made, or like, can you tell

884
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: us about some of the individual cars because we care

885
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: about that stuff.

886
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I prefer the Mustang to the Vet,

887
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 3: although the direct corollary to the Mustang is really the Camaro,

888
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 3: which has been discussed.

889
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: Okay, fair, fair, I was just trying to pick their

890
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: two currents.

891
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: But well, part of the reason I like the Mustang

892
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: is because this may actually be sexist now, but you

893
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 3: remember they used to have what they called the Secretary's

894
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: car Mustang, which was which was the lower price, lower

895
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: horse powered car, and so it was affordable. People could

896
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 3: have that really cool look, that really cool shape in

897
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: an affordable price. That was never something that that offered you.

898
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: I you know, that ve now looks like Supercard of me.

899
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 3: It doesn't even look like a Corvette. When I was

900
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 3: a kid, you know, it was the Corvette Stingray, that

901
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: very low slung seventies beauty. There was a guy down

902
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: the street that had went, oh my god, it was

903
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: gorgeous so.

904
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Too.

905
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, in history. Do you know the one I'm

906
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: talking about, Hannah, that early seventies, Yes.

907
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: I guess yes, to me, that's the best generation, probably

908
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: a chrome bumper.

909
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: Yes, it just gorgeous. And you know you see that

910
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: go down the street and heads turn, and you know,

911
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: the Corvette has always been sort of like GM's at

912
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: show Pony, and they do a nice job and the

913
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 3: current one is amazing. But boy, if you ask me

914
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: what the best of that ever was, it's that C three.

915
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: What do you drive?

916
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: Now?

917
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

918
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: I D I D Now, You're really gonna get me

919
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 3: in trouble with my sources. But again, who cares I drive?

920
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 3: I drive a Subaru out Back Wilderness Edition, so and uh,

921
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 3: you know kind of lifted crossover, you know, compact suv

922
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: with the boxer motor, yes, yeah, which which I like

923
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 3: a lot. And uh, my daughter in law is a

924
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: Subaru salesman, so that worked out well too, and so

925
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: the whole family has kind of switched over to that

926
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: brand as a result.

927
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: Well, I have to ask. I know you are a

928
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: really talented and devoted runner and may have run a

929
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: marathon or two or three in your day. I think

930
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: I saw the Boston Marathon. Within the last few years.

931
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: Will you be in your retirement, will you be doing

932
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: more running and trainee?

933
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: That is the hope, Hannah, and I believe you also

934
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: have a background in running. Yes, but yeah, I ran

935
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 3: Boston and April with my son Connor, like you, Hannah,

936
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: as a collegiate runner, and so we have plans to

937
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 3: maybe try to get into Chicago. He's already qualified because

938
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: he's so fast. I was happy just to qualify for Boston.

939
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: Boston was my twelfth marathon. I ran my first marathon

940
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 3: when I was fifty two. Yeah, I got into it.

941
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 5: Well.

942
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 3: Both my middle daughter Claire and my son Connor both

943
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 3: were high school and then collegiate runners, so they're running.

944
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 3: Bug really hit the family. And yeah, So now my

945
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 3: hope is, you know, I don't get as many weekday

946
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 3: runs in as I would like because of you know,

947
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: work in life. And now you know, once I've done

948
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 3: I'm done walking my dog fin Bar in the morning,

949
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 3: I can go for a run without having to worry

950
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 3: about checking into work.

951
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: Jill, Well, that is so cool that you started at

952
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: the age of fifty two, because it means you have

953
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: a lot of miles still left on your legs. They're

954
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: practically fresh.

955
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is true. My older brother Kevin, who was

956
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: faster than me and was great into his fifties, the

957
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: knees went on him. So I am fortunate. That's what

958
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 3: I always say. I didn't shoot the knees by running

959
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 3: for my entire life, so I still have I hope

960
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 3: a few years left in them.

961
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: Hey, when you mentioned Boston, it makes me think about

962
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: music again. You said you loved Rolling Stone Rock. Reporting.

963
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: I was at a fish concert last night and they

964
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: started playing something and I told my brother, you know what,

965
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: Boston does this better because it sounded like that kind

966
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: of polished prog rock thing. What kind of bands do

967
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: you listen to? Hannah and I talk about music here

968
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 2: all the time. I think it goes hand in hand

969
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: with cars, right, because one of the best things to

970
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: do in a car is listen to music. So what

971
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 2: are you into?

972
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah? So you know. I I am a long time,

973
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: long time You Two fan. I've seen them many times,

974
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: including with my kids in Dublin, and but You Two

975
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 3: is not giving us a lot of new music lately,

976
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: so I am finding other artists to turn to. I

977
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: love Noah Khan. I know he's become you know, hot

978
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,479
Speaker 3: and huge, but I liked him before he became hot

979
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: and huge. I'd like to point out, so you know

980
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: that that kind of music appeals to me. Uh and

981
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: and I do think you know, cars and music go

982
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: hand in hand, which is you know why you guys

983
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: should talk about music on this show, because you know

984
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: that's part of the driving experience, you know.

985
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: I know some curists say we just listened to the

986
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: sound of the engine when we drive, and I never

987
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: I just have to roll my eyes at that one.

988
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you can hear the engine over the music

989
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: if it's a good car.

990
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And don't they kind of blend. I mean yeah,

991
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: they should, I think, of course, and if and if

992
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: you're going to drive fast, and let's face it, all

993
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 3: three of us drive fast a lot. You know, you

994
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: want a soundtrack for that. There you go.

995
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes a lot of a lot of music

996
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: has it in I think Eddie van Halen, like back

997
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: to Lamborghini in the studio when they were.

998
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: Recording you Can't Drive fifty five Panama off Panama.

999
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: They were recording Panama. But you know, cars stereos to

1000
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: me are a huge issue and they never seem to

1001
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: be so good, And it always bothers me that like

1002
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: Bose has no problem licensing its name to you know,

1003
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: ex car maker, and then they put out a horrible system.

1004
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: Everybody does it, even Macintosh.

1005
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1006
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: I just wish more people would pay attention to the stereos,

1007
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: but I guess I'm hoping for too much.

1008
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'm old enough to remember, because this is how

1009
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: it was for me back in the eighties when you

1010
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: didn't buy the car factory stereo. In fact, the first

1011
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 3: car I purchased, I bought without a radio because you

1012
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 3: would have an aftermarket stereo put in because it would

1013
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: be so much better. So, you know, we had you know,

1014
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: Panasonic did some great aftermarket There were these standalone speakers

1015
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 3: you could put in the back of the car. It

1016
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: was awesome. You'd get a you could get a subwoofer

1017
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: to put under the back seat. It was incredible. So

1018
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 3: back in the day, that was the way it was done.

1019
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: And then the auto companies realized they were losing a

1020
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: lot of money to the aftermarket folks. It's the same

1021
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: with the off road packages that now you can get

1022
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: from the auto companies that you used to have to

1023
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 3: go to an outfitter to get you know, the companies

1024
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: eventually see profit streams that they're missing out on and

1025
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: they figure out a way to get in on the action,

1026
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 3: and that kills the independent guys.

1027
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: Now you can do it with your slate.

1028
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, you can get your slate. I think Slate's

1029
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: gonna be fascinating. That'll be really fascinating to watch, and

1030
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 3: you know, it'll be coming out at the same time

1031
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: Ford comes out with this thirty thousand dollars electric pickup

1032
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: truck that they have coming late next year. The two

1033
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: of them side by side, it'll be interesting to see

1034
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: who wins.

1035
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: I do think. I do think in a weird way.

1036
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: Often nothing new, everything new is old. You know. Whatever

1037
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: that's saying, is this slate thing, Okay, we're going back

1038
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: to exactly what you described in the eighties.

1039
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1040
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting that in a way we've made so

1041
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: much progress and cars, and yet it's not really that

1042
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: different in some ways. Back then.

1043
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: It's like it's like fashion, we want to be in

1044
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 3: with the latest styles, but we want to have like

1045
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: our own individual imprint on it. Right, So that's why

1046
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 3: people do the things they do to their cars to

1047
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: try and customize them, whether it's on the interior or

1048
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: the exterior. You know, some people like a lot of

1049
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 3: bumper stickers, some people like balaro beads, you know, inside

1050
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 3: the car, you know, whatever it is. People like to

1051
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: make their cars their own. It's a personal statement. And

1052
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 3: so you do that with the clothing you wear, and

1053
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: you do that with the car you drive. You do

1054
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 3: that with the home you live in. Those are the

1055
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: three areas that you want to make a personal statement.

1056
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 3: But cars are obviously a mass market device, so they

1057
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 3: start as a slate, right, They start as something everybody

1058
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: else has, and then you have to work to customize

1059
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: it and make it your own.

1060
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: Cool. So cool to have you on the show, Keith,

1061
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: and I hope we stay in touch because I have

1062
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: relied on your expertise and in your help, frankly in

1063
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: my interviews for I don't know, at least fifteen years

1064
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 2: or so, so I may continue to call you up

1065
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: in your retirement.

1066
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: We're not going away.

1067
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 3: That's fine by me. No, this is going to blast.

1068
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: Thank you both for having me on. I love you, Thank.

1069
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: You so much.

1070
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: Congratulations again, all right, cool, amazing. He will be missed.

1071
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: I especially because he helped me do my job for

1072
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: so long. I'm going to miss him. I am still

1073
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: going to call.

1074
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: Him it when he's a huge He's a very valuable

1075
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: brain trust that I don't really want to let go of.

1076
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, we can still tap in.

1077
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm alone, by the way, or we

1078
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: are alone. I think our reporters and editors are going

1079
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: to be calling Keith a lot over the next few years. Yes,

1080
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: definitely great. Uh what have you got going on, Hannah?

1081
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: You're you're still in New York, but your head is back.

1082
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm guessing too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go back to LA on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and then it is all systems go for Monterey Car Week.

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Speaker 1: I'm We're lining up interviews, We're lining up drives, We're

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: lining up chats. So it's like full bore into that

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01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: in August and hopefully I'll have some news and impressions

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Speaker 1: to share with everyone.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to drive there? What are you

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Speaker 2: going to drive to Monterey?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm drive there. Uh, I'm going to drive the Lamborghini Urus.

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01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: Now they offered me the Ravolto again, which I jumped

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: at that because, as you recall, I love that car,

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01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: and I loved it so much I got a ticket

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01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: in it, but I would I wanted it. But here's

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01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: the problem. In terms of carrying luggages and driving around

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01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: during the car week, it is unfortunately not the most

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Speaker 1: practical beast also for the fact that it is the

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01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: opposite of low key. And when I had it the

1101
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: last time, I drove it around quite a bit, which

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Speaker 1: was really fun and quite an honor and a treat.

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01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: But every car paparazzi guy like that, you have no

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01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: you have no protection. You're gonna be everyone's looking at

1105
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,479
Speaker 1: you all the time when you arrive anywhere, and it's

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01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: just a lot. So I'm actually kind of happy to

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: have the Suvu this time, just to be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more under the radar.

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Speaker 2: So I how come I never get to drive the

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Speaker 2: rev weel Toe. I'm the biggest link, you know, the guys.

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01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: I really want to drive that car. I still, I still,

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01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about my week with the Temorrio and the

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Speaker 2: fraud relationship.

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Speaker 1: A palate cleanser. You need a palate cleanser.

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Speaker 2: I ended up with that car, and when I was

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01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: having lunch with the AUDI executive today, I was like,

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: you guys made such a great car, Phillimborghini Temorrio. It

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01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: should have four rings on it though, instead of a bowl.

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Speaker 1: And what did that person say? Did they just smile?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no comment. No, actually was happy that I

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01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: liked the car, and the new Valari is gonna probably

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01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 2: be somewhat similar, but okay, very cool. So you're driving

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Speaker 2: the eurists there and then I can't wait to hear

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Speaker 2: about you. I'm gonna be calling you like every day.

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Speaker 2: That does it for this week's show. Remember to follow

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Speaker 2: Email us a Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net, and you.

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,960
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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,200
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Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott and

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller will be back in your podcast feed

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Speaker 2: again next week