1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Fl media. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert here. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: As a lot of you probably know, about two months ago, 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: my dad took al I spent most of a month 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: in the hospital with him the ICU while he got sicker. 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: He passed a couple of weeks ago, so I have 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: lost some worktime. Needless to say, we'll be taking another 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: break this week, and then we should be back with 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: new episodes for the foreseeable future. I just needed another 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: week to get back ahead, get myself going again for reruns. 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: This week, we're running a trio of great episodes that 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: we did a couple of years ago with Tom Ryman 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: from Game for the Unemployed about right wing talk show 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: guys of the past, the dudes who kind of like 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: laid down the groundwork that made Tucker Carlson and Glenn 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Beck possible. So they're great episodes. Check them out. And 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: I also wanted to plug the Portland Diaper Bank. Every 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: year around this time we do a fundraiser for the 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Portland Diaper Bank. This is our fifth year in a row. 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: Last year raised nearly thirty thousand dollars to provide diapers 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: to low income people, and over the course of the 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: last four years, this will be our fifth year Behind 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: the Bastards listeners have raised more than one hundred thousand dollars. 24 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: So if you want to help out, just google go 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: fund me bTB fundraiser for PDX Diaper Bank. That's go 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: fund me bTB fundraiser for PDX Diaper Bank. Thanks everybody. 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: Fall Yeer I was a German name for paratrooper. I 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: don't know why. I started the episode saying, Tom's why 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: you did that? 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: How are how are you doing? Do you know that 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: the German word for paratrooper is falschwormjegger. 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: I did not know that. Well, now you do, thank you. 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: They had a you know, the the Nazis had an 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: aquatic little jeep that could go on the water. They 35 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: called a sh Fimenwagen. That's sweet, that's kind of funny. Yeah, 36 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: what do we call it? That's our swimming wagon head is, yeah, 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: gijoe vehicle. It does the women, Tom, how are you 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: feeling two pieces of ship into this? I'm vibing on 39 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: some clown shoes right now you are vibing on some 40 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: clown shoes. Well, right now, Tom, this exact moment, this 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: second in time, that we both inhabit, which may be 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: eternal if certain philosophers are right. This very moment could 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: go on forever, both forwards and backwards in time, could 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: be completely encompassing, as all moments are. This moment, we're 45 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: going to talk about a guy you have heard of, 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: mister Morton Downey dances all the way down just just 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: six my ears. 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's a name. That's a name. 49 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom, what do you know about Morton Danny Jr. 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Oh Man Jay as we call him. 51 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 3: He's like a pinky ring that fell into a puddle 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: of toxic waste and became a man. He's he's he 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 3: plays the he plays the slimy journalist that Danny Glover 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: punches in the face and Predator two, and he. 55 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: Sure is in Predator too, you god damn right, playing himself. 56 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's absolutely playing himself in Predator Too, which is incredible. Yeah, 57 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: easily the second best Predator movie. 58 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: It's it's easily the second Predator film. Yeah, yeah, definitely, 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: you can't take that away from it. It is the 60 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: second one of them, indisputably the second Predator film. 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, he's like a he's a he was sort. 62 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: Of like the uh. 63 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: The ying to Phil Dona Hughes Yang at the time, 64 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: where Phil Donahue was like kind of nice and personable 65 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: and Morton Downey was a real son of a bitch. 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: When he was a real piece of shit. Yeah. 67 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: And the fun thing about Morton Downey Junior, tom Uh 68 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: is that if you start researching Morton Downey Junior, the 69 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: first like Google result that tries to auto fill when 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: you start typing his name in is is Morton Downey 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: Junior related to Robert Downey Jr. And my answer to 72 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: that is it does not appear to be. So No, 73 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: just just just a fun coincidence, which is weird because 74 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: he does have a famous dad, like Robert Downey Junior. Yeah, 75 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: but just a completely different one. I just that's that's 76 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah, so let's let's let's let's talk about MDJ. 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: So. 78 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior was born on December ninth, nineteen thirty two, 79 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California. His father was obviously a guy 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: named Morton Downey. Yeah, two thirds of these guys are Californians. 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: Well that in the thirties, I'm like, fuck, he's old, 82 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: like a lot of these far's ancient, dusty, old racist mummies. 83 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: That's because they were established by the time the eighties 84 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: got going, and they could really start fucking some shit 85 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: up for everybody. 86 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: That's true. I keep thinking that the eighties was four 87 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: decades ago. 88 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a long time since the eighties, thank god. 89 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: So his father was obviously Morton Downey, which probably means 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: nothing to everyone listening, but I meant an awful lot 91 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: to people in the nineteen twenties and early thirties. Morton 92 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: Downey's nickname was the Irish Nightingale, and he was one 93 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: of the most popular singers of his day. He had 94 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior, whose first name was Sean, with his 95 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: first wife, Barbara Bennett, and Barbara was famous because she 96 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: was the sister of two women who were famous actresses. 97 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: Morton Downey Senior would ultimately have five children, four sons 98 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: and a daughter. He was not a nice man, or 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: at least, people who knew Morton Downey Junior say he 100 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: did not think well of his father. There is, in fact, 101 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: significant evidence that he despised the man. He desperately wanted 102 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: to succeed as a singer, and he tried repeatedly as 103 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: a young man to follow in his father's footsteps. Appearing 104 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: on early game shows, where his performance was reviewed positively 105 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: by guys like Dean Martin. I thought he had an 106 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: all right voice, but most experts agree he just didn't 107 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: have what his father had. There was something lacking in 108 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: his voice that like he was just never going to 109 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: have the kind of career. 110 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: His dad had. 111 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: The Downey family were well to do. He grew up, 112 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, richish. They lived in I mean, if you 113 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: want to know how well to do they were, they 114 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: lived in Hyannasport in Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and their next 115 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: door neighbors were the Kennedys. Yeah, yes, it's like that's 116 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: how much money they got. 117 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: His kids rich Ish? 118 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there hang in with the Kennedy's. Morton Downey 119 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: Junior was good friends with Joe Kennedy. Will Or Morton 120 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: Downey Senior was good friends with Joe Kennedy and as 121 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: when Morton Downey Junior was a child, he would hang 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: out regularly with the Kennedy boys, you know, like he 123 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: knew Robert and JFK when they were younger. They were 124 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: all buds together. I guess Downey Emmy's a bit younger. 125 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: But Downey attended New York University and like the others, 126 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: and like our other subjects, seems to have immediately known 127 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: he wanted a career in radio. He got a job 128 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: as the program director an announcer for a radio station 129 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: in Hartford, Connecticut, in the early nineteen fifties. Over the 130 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: next decade and change, he was hired primarily as a DJ, 131 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: although he also sang for several pop and country records 132 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: and wrote a handful of songs that saw modest success. 133 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: Like Wally, George Morton, Downey Junior bounced around various markets Phoenix, Miami, 134 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: Kansas City, San Diego, and Seattle. Also like Wally, he 135 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: was a huge asshole and had trouble working with people. 136 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: He was forced to resign from a Miami network when 137 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: he gave the home phone number for a competing DJ 138 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: out on the air and insulted the man's wife. 139 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: Oh like Docks, the guy on on the air. 140 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: I want to I want to hear I hear him croon. 141 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: I had no idea that was his background. Oh, I 142 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: mean we can't he cut an album? 143 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: Tom? Oh boy, you know what, Tom, We'll play this 144 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: right now. Sweet. Yeah, let's do it. 145 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Let's let's do this now. I need you to 146 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: hear his song about the war on drugs. 147 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: What's it called? Hey there, mister dealer, Oh. 148 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 4: Many name, mister taler. 149 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: Push son of the minds are the kids of America? 150 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Just don't make your back. 151 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 5: You all the sleeves, bag on the country, garbage of all. 152 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: He's like attacking the microphone. 153 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so welcome to his eternal mob. 154 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: He looks like a skeleton at a costume contest dressed. 155 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: As Dan Martin. 156 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: All right, that's probably enough of Hey there, mister dealer. 157 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: God it is so this will mean more. 158 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: When you've had Dean Martin was too kind to him. 159 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: He was better when he was younger too. 160 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, his earlier, his earlier shit is I think because 161 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: he's he's what, he was famous when he recorded. 162 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: He's so he was like doing a thing. Yeah, but 163 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: he's still like yeah, it's yeah. 164 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he had a bad voice and 165 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: the stuff you can hear from younger. There's a good 166 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: documentary about his tours. 167 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, he is. 168 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: He is going real agro there, and it's because you know, 169 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: he was already a name at that point. He was 170 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: he was doing a bit or maybe he just like 171 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: was out of his mind because that's what being famous 172 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: does to you. 173 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: After a while, I. 174 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: Don't know, you can see the cocaine, just like in 175 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: an aura. Yeah, yeah, it followed him around. In nineteen 176 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: sixty eight, Morton took a break from his work, his career, 177 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: which was again he was kind of a mix of 178 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: a DJ and a kind of a pinch hitter in 179 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: the music industry, coming into do background vocals and stuff 180 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: to work on that campaign for his good childhood friend 181 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy. When Kennedy was assassinated, Morton wrote a book 182 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: of poetry with the title Quiet Thoughts Make the Loudest Noise. 183 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: The book was a way of processing grief, and you 184 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: can still find a handful of hardcover copies on Amazon 185 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: for like one hundred and forty eight dollars. Yes, I 186 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: am not buying one of them, but I did transcribe 187 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: one of the poems he wrote specifically about Robert Kennedy's death, 188 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: from the documentary Avocatur And I'm going to read that 189 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: to you now. Row upon row of grief racked followers, 190 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: sunken cheeks replacing their years ago happy faces, saying proudly 191 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: for their departed friend, their final hope and wondered why 192 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: a man must die to be a hero, and whether 193 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: we honor only those our own selfish hearts destroy. 194 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think sunk in cheeks is what he 195 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: meant to say, But but yeah, it's kind of you know, 196 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: it's kind of profound, that's right. 197 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: He's certainly like a man who's thinking about like the 198 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: nature of Yeah, yeah, that it was thoughtful. You wouldn't 199 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: call him a shallow man based on that. He's a 200 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: man who's trying to process complicated and sorrowful emotions in 201 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: an artistic way. Clearly a person capable of not just 202 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: feeling grief, but of expressing it artistically. He continued to 203 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: sing occasionally, and he made his living as yet another 204 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: disc jockey until in nineteen eighty three, the same year 205 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: that the Wally George TV Show starts. A year before 206 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh gots on talk radio, he gets a job 207 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: as a talk radio host on WDBO in Orlando, Florida. 208 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, and again they're both kind of writing this 209 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: wave of right wing populism in the rise of the 210 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: religious right and Ronald Reagan like they're part of a thing. 211 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: They're not starting it, but they are also influencing the 212 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: way this thing grows. So Wally George and Morton Danny 213 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: Junior both rode that right wing wave and helped to 214 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: shape it. Morton Danny Junior was even more incendiary and 215 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: control uncontrolled than Wally. He lost his first talk show 216 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: gig after he punched a guest, an abortion rights activist 217 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 1: named Bill Baird, who he then called a son of 218 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: a bitch. 219 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 2: So how many episodes in that? 220 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 4: So? 221 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Wally George screams at people and stuff, and I 222 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: think shoved some folks a few times. Or Nanny Junior 223 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: just cold cock some motherfucker Like months into his first 224 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: talk show and again a radio talk show. 225 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: I wonder if you can hear like the meat sound 226 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: on the microphone. 227 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: I haven't found this audio, but I bet it's great. 228 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: Next. 229 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: According to the New York Times quote, mister Downey was 230 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: soon hired by KFBKAM Radio, a news talk station in Sacramento, California. There, 231 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: he told a joke in which he used the word 232 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: chinaman several times, angering Tom. Yeah, not that surprising, is it, Tom? 233 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: So Yeah, he tells a joke in which he uses 234 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: the word chinaman several times, which pisses off Tom Chin, 235 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: a Chinese American member of Sacramento City Council who was 236 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: listening in his car. 237 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: Why. I wonder why that bothered him. 238 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: I wonder why he got angry at that. Mister Chin 239 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: called the station. According to the councilman and to Paul R. 240 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: Errand then the station's program director, mister Chin was put 241 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: through to mister Downey, who let loose a verbal tirade 242 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: against him. Mister Downey was discharged the next day. So 243 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: he tells a racist joke on air. It offends a 244 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: member of the city council who calls, and then he 245 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: proceeds to be racist to that guy, lafe on. 246 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: The air and loses his job. Yeah, yeah, that's usually 247 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: probably should be what happens. 248 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Now the station had to obviously had to 249 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: shit can Morton Downy. 250 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: June I liked that. 251 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: He was like, Oh, I'm sorry, I'll just be racist 252 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: to you directly. Then, Yeah, do you do what would 253 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: you like me to just be a piece of shit 254 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: to your face? I did not mean to do it 255 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: to your back on the air. Absolutely not. Oh forgive me, 256 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: let me be an asshole directly. 257 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: To let me be an asshole directly to you, I 258 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: don't mean to be rude. So they had to fire him. 259 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: But he was also and you'll you'll hear different things 260 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: about how popular he was. By some accounts he was 261 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: he was very successful. By some accounts just modestly successful. 262 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: I can't tell you which. But he did well enough 263 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: that the station was like, well, this guy's built an audience. 264 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: They're very dedicated, and so when he leaves, they decide 265 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: they need to replace him with another right wing firebrand, 266 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: someone who can stir up the same kind of populist 267 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: rage but also isn't quite as racist. You know, they 268 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: picked Tom I don't know who followed him into the job. 269 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: You might have heard of this guy, little fella. He 270 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: might know his name, Rush Limbaugh. Oh that's how Rush 271 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: gets His first big political gig. 272 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: Was Morton Downey being too racist on the issue. 273 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: It was too racist, and so Rush Limbaugh came in 274 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: and said, I can be slightly less racist than that 275 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: for a while, for a little while. Eventually I'll be 276 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: much more racist than that. I could be slightly less 277 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: racist to people's faces. Yeah again, for a while, for 278 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: a while. 279 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: I love like, man, that was too racist. Let's get 280 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: Russian here, let's get you get that Rush Limbaugh hit 281 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: in air. Yeah, we would tone things down somewhat. 282 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: Tom, Where do you go when you've just gotten fired 283 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: from your right wing radio job for being too much 284 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: of a racist? 285 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 2: Uh? Television? 286 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 6: No? 287 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 7: I mean? 288 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: But what city do you go to? 289 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 4: Mmm? 290 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: Portland? I don't know. No, Cleveland, Cleveland? Oh yeah sure, yeah, yeah. 291 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah you get yeah, you get your ass on down 292 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: to Cleveland. Hey, our rivers are very rarely on fire, 293 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: unlike Cleveland. So he gets hired by w E. R. 294 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: E a M. To improve the poor ratings of its 295 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: talk show department. He was forced out there when he 296 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: again hurled racial slurs at an elected leader. This one 297 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: of your municipal court seeing this coming, who could have guessed? 298 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: Wally George, the man who punched an abortion rights activist 299 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: and lost his first radio show, lost a second for 300 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: screaming racial slurs at a city councilor would lose his 301 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: third show for screaming racials? Is it a municipal court judge? 302 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: Oos among us. 303 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: Has not on a bad day a hurled racist slurs 304 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: at a circuit court judge? 305 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: Or or yeah, those of us who have not gone 306 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: to jail have done that. So while his former employer 307 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: wrestled with a lawsuit. As a result of this, Morton 308 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: Downey Junior moved to Chicago to do it all over again. 309 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: So during both of these strategy yeah the OK strategy Chicago, Yeah, 310 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: Chicago forgives all sense. During his first two dalliances with 311 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: talk radio, Morton Downey Junior had a regular segment on 312 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: his shows called the Executive Intelligence Report, which is him 313 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: reading from a magazine published by Lyndon LaRouche. 314 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna have to do a whole. 315 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: Episode on Lyndon LaRouche at some point, but for now 316 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: you'll have to be satisfied with this quick description of 317 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: Lindon courtesy of a New York Times obituary. And again, 318 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: this is the source of Morton Downey Junior's execus Kative 319 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: Intelligence Report quote. Lyndon LaRouche, the quixotic, apocalyptic leader of 320 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: a cult like political organization who ran for president eight 321 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: times once more. Prison cell died on Tuesday. He was 322 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: ninety six. Defining what mister LaRue is yeah right, that's 323 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: a motherfucking sentence, is an entire sentence. Defining what mister 324 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: Larouge stood for was no easy task. He began his 325 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: political career on the far left and ended it on 326 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: the far right. He said he admired Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, 327 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan and loathed Hitler the composure 328 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: Richard Wagner and other anti Semites, though he himself made 329 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: anti Semitic statements and boy Diddy a lot of them. 330 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: He was a fascist tom He was a fascist political 331 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: cult leader. 332 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: I liked the obituary was like, we don't know what 333 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: the fuck he believed. 334 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: He believed in Lyndon Larouge having a bunch of like 335 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: he had a bunch of followers who basically it was 336 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: a cult, like they lived for this man, and they 337 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: would go out and proselytize on the street. They would 338 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: hand out papers at call campuses. LaRouche argued that environmentalists 339 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: were trying to wipe out the human race, which is 340 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: a claim that Alex Jones now parrots. He believed Queen 341 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: Elizabeth was trying to murder him personally. He argued that 342 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: Jews had founded the KKK, and he described Indigenous Americans 343 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: as lower beasts. So this is the source of Morton 344 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: Downey Junior's intel I'm finding a couple of consistent threads 345 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: in his belief structure that perhaps his obituary could have 346 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: latched onto it. May I think they may have gotten 347 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: into that later. That was like the first two paragraphs. 348 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: I just I read that obituorian was like, my god, 349 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: that is a sentence. 350 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: Yeahah, that first sentence almost knocked me out of my chair. Yeah, 351 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: what a fucking life the president eight times once from prison? 352 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: But what it was a tax thing? I think. 353 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: Again, we'll do I'll have to read into him and 354 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: we'll do a whole episode on Lyndon Larouge. He's quite 355 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: a character. Yeah, yeah, the head of Morton Downey Junior's 356 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: Intel program. Now, the fact that Morton Downey Junior platform 357 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: this guy is very and it's arguably more fucked up 358 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: because Morton Downey Junior did not really like him. As 359 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: he told The New York Times, I decided I was 360 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: going to be as friendly towards these people and get 361 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: as much information out of them as I could, because 362 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: someday I would expose them. Now that's bullshit. It's true 363 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: that he did eventually get Lyndon Larushe on his TV show, 364 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: and he tore him apart like it was a very 365 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: aggressive interview with Lyndon, but he also continued to spread 366 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: Laruche's newsletter and other publications after that point, calling the 367 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: fascist cult leader's intelligence information quote the second or third 368 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: best in the world. 369 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 3: Based on what Morton Downey Junior he Morton Downey Junior 370 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 3: doesn't know nice build cast member of Predator two. 371 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, mother, I mean he did make the top ten 372 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: look look in fairness, that's more than either of us 373 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: have ever done in terms of predators. 374 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: That's true. 375 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 3: But I'm not out here saying this is the second 376 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: or third most reputable intelligence support in the world. 377 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: No, you're not. 378 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: No, based on your experience, which is you and I 379 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: both did get to look at the Predator costume. 380 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: Yes, oh wait, no, this was it. I didn't well, 381 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: oh you weren't there that it wasn't, But I saw 382 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: the video. 383 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: It was rad It seems like a. 384 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: Just knowing that I was that close to something that 385 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: had touched Morton Downey Junior was was just powerful. Tom 386 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: was really powerful. You know what else has touched Morton 387 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: Downey Junior in a sexual man? 388 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: He's products and services. Probably they fucked him. They fucked him. 389 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: Products and services have been inserted into Morton Downey Junior. 390 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that is again the only promise we make about 391 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: our sponsors. So if he seems fine with us, so 392 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna continue. 393 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an AD that's an AD throw, that's an 394 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 3: AD throw baby. 395 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: Oh we're back. 396 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: So by nineteen eighty seven, Rush Limbaugh's show had exploded 397 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: in popularity. Wally George was the talk of Orange County. 398 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: This is kind of the height of the Wally George 399 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: Show too. And despite Morton's mixed success on radio, a 400 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: station in New York slash New Jersey, I guess it 401 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: covered both decided let's give this guy a TV show. 402 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: And I think they're looking at Wally George over in 403 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: OC They're seeing Rush Limbubloup in the radio and they're like, 404 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: this guy could be a could be a hit on TV. 405 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: And in fairness, they're not wrong. 406 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 5: He was. 407 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was filmed in Secaucus. The Morton Downey Junior 408 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: Show was cut very much in the shape of Wally 409 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: George's hot seat. In fact, Wally even had Morton on 410 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: his show in the late nineteen eighties and it was 411 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: immediately hostile. And I'm first going to play this clip 412 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: Morton Donny Junior on the Wally George, Oh boy. 413 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: It's really a Freddy versus Jason moment. Just say two 414 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: rats fighting over a dead cat. 415 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: Oh boy. 416 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: And I have to say before if you're wondering what 417 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior looks like, well so if he gets 418 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: this clip together, remember Iron Giant, Remember the bad guy 419 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: from Iron Giant. He looks like Christopher Sleazy Fed. Yeah, 420 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: he looks like he looks like Shooter mcgavett. It looks 421 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: like yeah he does. Who is the same I was 422 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: blew me away to learn that Shooter mcgafvin and the 423 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: Fed from uh uh uh the Iron Giant are the 424 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: same guy. 425 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: Incredible thing. He looks like he looks like Shooter McGavin 426 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: with novelty teeth. Yeah, he looks like Shooter McGavin if 427 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: Shooter McGavin did like birthday parties for children. 428 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: Oh, here it is. 429 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 4: You. 430 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 5: You're coming up with the usual simplistic answers. Wally that 431 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 5: conservatives who don't know what the hell they're talking about. 432 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 6: Stop. 433 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 4: I've got an audience out here. 434 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 5: You've got an audience of monkeys. 435 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: Out here will do everything that you tell him to do. 436 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: He's not wrong. 437 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 5: I'm warning you the next time you don't warn me, 438 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 5: Punk God. 439 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 4: Lolly. 440 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: George looks incredible, man. 441 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: He looks like the entertainment direct that a cruise ship, 442 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: but like a bad cruise ship. 443 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: The cops have come on now, and they're pulling Morton 444 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Downey Junior off the show and tackling. 445 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: He gets tackled by jor total Roger Stone vibes from 446 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 2: that guy with. 447 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: Like a. 448 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: And obviously all of that was set up ahead of time. 449 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: The plan was always I suspect for Morton Downey Junior 450 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: to get tackled by sheriff's deputies on the seat of 451 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: Wally Joege's on seat. 452 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 3: It seems so extreme, and he's already so famous at 453 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: that point that they wouldn't Yeah, they would not dare 454 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: do that to him and listen to staged. 455 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean while yeah, yeah, it's it's very funny 456 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: and and honestly, I can't tell you it may not 457 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: have been pre planned as much as both men just 458 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: naturally knew going in. This is how this is going 459 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: to end. Like I'm I'm Morton Danny Junior and the 460 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: Wally george Show. Of course, I'm going to get tackled 461 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: off stage during like a nearly physical fight between the 462 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: two of us. This is just how this has to happen. 463 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: I am naturally enough of a right wing shithead firebrand 464 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: that jet that's just in my blood. Well, the thing 465 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: that at the moment we were on a ca Amra together, 466 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: this was what had to happen, right. 467 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: Whoever wins, we lose. Yeah, the real fredge Jason situation. 468 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 3: The thing that stuck out to me was when there's 469 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: a scene, well not a scene. I'm fucking talking about 470 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 3: this like it's a movie because it's so stage. 471 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: Uh. 472 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: There's a part in the clip where Wally George stands 473 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: up after uh uh morton down. He says, don't don't 474 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: warn me. He stands up like he's gonna fight, but 475 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: he buttons his He buttons his coat. He buttons his 476 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 3: fucking coat. That's a thing you do when you know 477 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: you're gonna be on camera. You do the opposite when 478 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: you know you're about to start throwing hands, is you 479 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: want to unbutton that coat. 480 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, you want to un button You 481 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: might even want to take that. If you're really gonna 482 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: throw hands, you take that shirt off and you fold 483 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: it on the table where you say, all right, here's 484 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: how things are gonna go, you know. 485 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: So the fact that he's stoo up and buttoned his jacket, 486 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, yeah, you know you're not going to 487 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: course of course, yeah that it would have been very fun. 488 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: But I don't think either of well, actually, no, Morton 489 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: Danny Junior definitely threw a punch. He punched that guy 490 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: who came on his radio shift to. 491 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: Every you know, all the all the what a terrible 492 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 3: piece of shitty is and all the funny things we're 493 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 3: going to do to make fun of him on this episode, 494 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 3: Morton Downy doesn't look like. 495 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: He hasn't been in a fight. 496 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: No, No, Morton Downey Junior wouldn't have survived to this 497 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: age if he hadn't learned a couple of things about fighting, 498 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: because that's a man who pisses people off. Yeah, Wally 499 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: George is a man who was very careful to never 500 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: piss anyone off until he felt like he wouldn't get 501 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: the shit beaten out of him, like he was an 502 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: adult and polite society. 503 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: That was a kid who hid. 504 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, he can bully into giving you an extra ride 505 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 3: on the Teacups at the Curb. 506 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: Now Morton Danny Junior was different from Wally George and 507 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: in fact, well he started off as way more out 508 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: of control. Again, he got fired from his first job 509 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: for assaulting a guest. He toned it down for his 510 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: actual TV show, not much, but in an intelligent way. 511 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: He was actually in a lot of ways, he was 512 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: kind of a mix between Wally George and Joe Pine 513 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: because like Wally George he would be like a lunatic 514 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of the time and like very loud, get 515 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: into fights on stage and whatnot a showman. But Joe 516 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: Pine he could actually sit down and have conversations with people, 517 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: even once he disagreed with without just screaming at them, 518 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: And there were actual debates on his show. So he 519 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: was not the same as Wally and I think that's 520 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: why he was. He made more of an impact because 521 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: Wally George was never anything but just like pure id 522 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: and there was a little bit of thinking on the 523 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior show. I'm not saying that to praise it, 524 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: just to like characterize what he was doing. It was 525 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: a bit different than Wally George. He opened his first 526 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: episode with the words certain things really burn my buns, 527 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: and that more or less summed up the focus. Morton 528 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: was irritated by a lot of things feminism, environmentalism, social justice, 529 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: and he wanted to make his audience angry too. Like Wally, 530 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: he was happy to platform people with differing beliefs so 531 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: long as they would get into arguments with him. That 532 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: made good television. His show was an immediate success, and 533 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: its wide audience meant that some of his guests became 534 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: stars in their own right. One of his early interviews 535 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: was a little known congressman you might have heard of 536 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: tom named Ron Paul. Now Morton Downey Junior. What a 537 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: friendly introduction of Ron Paul. Here he brings the congressman 538 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: up on stage by saying, we're going to talk to 539 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: a man who could be snorting cocaine in the Oval office. 540 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: Because again, Ron Paul, the thing that like, one of 541 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: the things that made him prominent early on is he's 542 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: for the decriminalization or legalization of all drugs. And Morton 543 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: Downey Junior is, as a Republican in this period of time, 544 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: an art drug warrior. So here's here's Ron Paul on 545 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: the Morton Downey Junior show. 546 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 5: Now, would you believe that the government should stay out 547 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 5: of our personal business all together? 548 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 6: Ye? 549 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: Matter of fact? 550 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 5: Is all right, that's good guys, but also happens to 551 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 5: be my personal business if I want to kill my 552 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 5: four year old kid. Right, No, no, no, no, wait 553 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 5: a minute, wait, you're giving you're giving libertarian a distorted explanation. 554 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 5: Oh sir, your people gave it to yourselves and your platform. 555 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 2: No, let me explain that. 556 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 5: The answer is that we allowed to do what we want. 557 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: We even permit people smoke. Serious happened. 558 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 5: That happens to be the most deadly drug in the 559 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 5: United States. 560 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 8: You know, three. 561 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 2: Appreciated. 562 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 5: Maybe we ought to make it will need a banded. 563 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: I wish you'd bean it. 564 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 4: Right now. 565 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 8: You can buy it out on the street and pay 566 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 8: five out. 567 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: So you see what a number one? 568 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: Ron Paul really comes across as a reasonable man in 569 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: that interview. Yeah, yeah, but you see, you see what 570 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. He's kind of a mix of Wally 571 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: George and Joe Pine because he's way more aggressive and 572 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: rude than Joe Pine. But he's also he's not just 573 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: shouting over him. Ron Paul gets and he'll he'll he'll 574 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: quiet his audience. 575 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: Down and whatnot. 576 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: Like he's he's he's he's found this middle level between 577 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: the two men that's certainly not like, I mean, he's 578 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: a bully, he's a dick, but he's not what Wally 579 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: George was. It's not quite that same level of like 580 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: it's not as much of a lynch mob the audience. 581 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, still a lot. 582 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: Of audience participation, but yeah, less violently fascist, Yeah, but 583 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: still the bad faith arguments still, of course, in the 584 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: same way that Joe Pine was bad faith that exactly. 585 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: You know, they all have this in common. Yea, they 586 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: all have this in common. 587 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: And I just think it's interesting how Morton, I think, 588 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: is very consciously mixing Joe Pine with Wally George in 589 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: order to kind of like Wally went way too far. 590 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: Joe Pine is not far enough for today's TV. Nobody 591 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: would listen to Joe Pine today. 592 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's too. 593 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: Calm, you know, He's like, he wants to maintain he 594 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: wants the same kind of controversy and intense emotions of 595 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 3: Wally George, but he wants to maintain firm control of 596 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: the show. 597 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's exactly that's exactly it, and 598 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: this is probably why his show. And also you know 599 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: the fact that when he has people on emibly disagrees with, 600 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: he does allow them more of a chance to make 601 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: their point. Ron Paul gets to say a lot in 602 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: this interview, and this is I don't want to say 603 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: this is like the reason he became prominent, but this 604 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: is a decent part of it. This is a significant 605 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: reason for his like why he started to become well known, 606 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: and it's in part because he does get he looks 607 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: good up there. 608 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: He makes a lot of sense. 609 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people, like listening to 610 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: Ron Paul on the Morton Downey Junior Show, would be like, well, 611 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: this is actually a reasonable man, especially considering the kind 612 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: of like angry young men who would watch the Morton 613 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: Downey Junior Show. 614 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of them got into Ron Paul watching. 615 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: This in a way that like with Wally George, that 616 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure never happened because he never let people say 617 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: that much. And yeah, I mean it's hard to watch 618 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: the Ron Paul interview and dislike the man where Joe 619 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: Pine was always chivalrous to his female guests, though even 620 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: though he disagreed with Morten felt no need to hold 621 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: his punches. At one point he had on a vegan, 622 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: which is again that was like the first thing we 623 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: saw Joe Pine doing is like talking to a vegan 624 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: so he can make fun of him, which is a big, 625 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: a long reoccurring thing in like right wing politics. And yeah, 626 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: she made the point, this vegan that Morton's talking to 627 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: you made the point that vegan diets were healthier, to 628 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: which Wally responded, I eat raw hamburger, I eat raw fish. 629 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: I smoke four packs of cigarettes a day. I have 630 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: about four drinks a day. I'm fifty five years old, 631 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: and I look as good as you do, which is 632 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: gonna be funny later, although you do have to be 633 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: fair like he looks a lot younger than Joe Pine does. 634 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 3: When Joe Pine was like forty, Joe Pine looked like 635 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: a pyramid, like a pyramid made man. 636 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: He says he's smoking four packs of cigarettes a day. 637 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: Joe Pine is smoking for backs of cigarettes an hour, 638 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: like he sees he's on his commute. 639 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 640 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: So one of his most popular sparring partners was feminist 641 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: lawyer Gloria Allred, who again gained a lot of her 642 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: popularity because of the Morton Downey Junior Show. This is 643 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: a big vector for a lot of people who are 644 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: who are still prominent today. Again not the only reason, 645 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: but like, this is a big show, this is a 646 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: significant cultural moment, and she has a big role in it. 647 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: She's a regular guest, and she and Downey would like 648 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: spar a lot constantly. You might have expected her to 649 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: hate him, like, given her politics and his politics. They 650 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: certainly fought like Heena is on the air, but as 651 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: the documentary of Vakatur makes clear, the two got along. 652 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: This was a game and they were both happy to 653 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: play it in order to make themselves famous. And I'm 654 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: gonna have Sophie play this clip. This is from the 655 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: documentary of Vakatur, which I really do recommend. 656 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 5: Anyone who had breasts was a feminist. 657 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 4: There are almost no feminists who have ever burned a bra, 658 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 4: So let me get that straights. 659 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 5: No feminist who ever had anything that they needed to 660 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 5: wear a bra. 661 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 4: For Between us, there was a certain amount of sexual tension, 662 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 4: likewise on your jockstrap. 663 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 5: But in any case, how does she know she has 664 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 5: a tape measure on her tongue? 665 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: Like Jesus, I know, right, that's just gross all around. 666 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: Do you feel like I need a shower? 667 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: But also you see the difference again when Wally George 668 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: never had any like it wasn't yelling at people he 669 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: was like friendly with, Like clearly he wanted that with 670 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: some of them, Like he was willing to like talk 671 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: with Blaze and be like, hey, we could have a 672 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: good thing going. He was able to find people who 673 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: were media trained, who were talented in their own right, 674 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: who could go on and have show arguments with him 675 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: to keep the crowd braying. But there was nothing he didn't. 676 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: He didn't again, he didn't believe in shit. But while 677 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: Wally George like couldn't. I guess I don't think Wally 678 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: when Morton Jenny Junr was willing to do, was someone 679 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: get in hits on him verbally, like he wanted that 680 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: kind of sparring, you know, because that's good TV. I 681 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: think Wally George was just too brittle a man to 682 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: accept that. Yeah, yeah, Morton I think never would have 683 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: taken anything really personally because he's a showman and he 684 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: gets that like, well, I'm having Gloria on, Like neither 685 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: of us believe in anything. We just are using this 686 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: as a vehicle for our own personal fame. Yeah, and 687 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: we can say, like, have whatever fights we. 688 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: Want to have. 689 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, they would have made a good couple because 690 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: they're both the same person more or less. 691 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: So. 692 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: Eight months into its run, the Morton Downey Junior Show 693 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: was a wildfire hit. The New York Times sent in 694 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: a reporter to watch the show as it was taped, 695 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: and his recollection does a good job of setting up 696 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: the mood. Quote Sean Morton Downey Junior, Sean to his friends, 697 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: mort mort to the adoring t shirted fans crowding the 698 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: New Jersey Television studio audience, smoked and paste and spewed venom. 699 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: You're not licking the butts of the boots of the 700 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: bureaucracy that doesn't give a damn about the American people, 701 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: he commanded. Bureaucratic bitch, he shouted. As the congregation and 702 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: as unruly as any splatter film crowd at the nearby 703 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: Low's Metal Plaza eight jumped up and loudly voiced its approval. So, yeah, 704 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: that's the it's it's combative. But as you saw from 705 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: that glare already quote, don't cheer it like somebody getting 706 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: in a hit. On Morton too. It's not the same 707 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: like we're getting closer to Springer here. We're getting closer 708 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: to Springer here. That's right, that's more about the spectacle. 709 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: They just want to see him, They just want to 710 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: see shit fly. 711 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 712 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: Mort was separated from later imitators, people like Jerry Springer, 713 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: and from people like Wally. 714 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: George, who was a little. 715 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: Earlier by his willingness to physically confront his guests. He 716 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: came very close to getting into fights on several occasions. 717 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: And his studio, Yeah, his studio was the first in 718 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: television to put the audience through a metal detector. 719 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 2: Oh man. 720 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: And I'm sure there was a mix of that's practical 721 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: because he has somebody might get fucking stabbed, but also 722 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: that's like, that's another thing we can rag about. It's like, 723 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: this is TV is so hot, we gotta have a 724 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: metal detector for the audience. 725 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 3: The audience, that's how in Yeah, this show is Yeah, 726 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 3: it's a gimmick. 727 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: As with Wally George, his live audience particularly skewed towards 728 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: young and disaffected men, a lot of the same kind 729 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: of guys who would have been in the alt right 730 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: and would have been like edgy Kids Online Today. The 731 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: documentary of Acatur includes interviews with some of these audience members, 732 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: including Joshua Rothman, who is now a history professor who 733 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: was part of Wally's regular audience when he was like 734 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: fucking like, it looks like he's like sixteen in this. 735 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure he was a little older. But here's here's 736 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: Joshua explaining the appeal of showing up to a taping 737 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: of More Show. 738 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 2: If you guys and that other grem went over there, 739 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: like japads, this is him as a kid, I shove 740 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: it wor up all right. 741 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 7: Just was also sort of perfect for seventeen year olds 742 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 7: because it had no nuance at all. 743 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: Everything was black or white, and seventeen year olds. 744 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 7: Card everything is either totally one thing or totally the other. 745 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 2: There is no middle. We are amer Car, We're number one. 746 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 2: You know what I think. I think Donald Trump should 747 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 2: take his game and just go to hell. Yeah that's 748 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 2: all that's all you got, man. 749 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked like he was gonna say something colorful 750 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 3: for sixteen year old you know, So that that says 751 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: a lot of it right there. 752 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, both like we didn't have YouTube if you're a 753 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: kid and you want to, like you feel like you 754 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: have something to say, you could get on TV. As 755 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: long as you're willing to like shout something stupid. Morton 756 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: Downey Junior will put your ass on television. 757 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as you to get possibly beaten up 758 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: by him on the air. 759 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 7: Yeah. 760 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's can I know, I get I get it, 761 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 2: I get it. It's yeah. He's given them not only. 762 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 3: In uh, he's. 763 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 2: Given them an outlet. 764 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems like they, like we were talking 765 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 3: about with the crowd of Wally's show, it's it's more 766 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 3: that it's it's not necessarily the political views. It's there 767 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 3: latching onto this sort of maximum anger anything goes kind 768 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 3: of environment. 769 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: It's this space where they can let out, like every 770 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: seventeen year old is angry as shit about a bunch 771 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: of different things. And you could get on Morton Downey 772 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: Junior's show and you could either express real anger with 773 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: something or what's probably more common, you could express the 774 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: anger inside you and just throw it at anything, like 775 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He just wants you to be loud 776 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: and yelling and he'll be happy with you. And there's 777 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: no you can be edgy if you want to just 778 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: say something fucked up on TV. He can, He'll let 779 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: you do that. It's like shit posting too, like all 780 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: of this like four chance stuff. You can see those impulses. 781 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: He's giving people an outlet for them. 782 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And they show the clip from their homemade video 783 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 3: that they that they made, like a sketch that they did, 784 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 3: these kids who yeah, pretending to be Morton Downey Junior. 785 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: So it's clear that it's it's his like bombastic, this 786 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 3: character that he is that they're latching onto less than 787 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: his views. It's more just the way he speaks and 788 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 3: the way he behaves and the way he's sort of 789 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 3: you know, it's like when people would chant, when people 790 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 3: would chant Jerry Jerry, Yeah exactly, people would get into fights. 791 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 3: It's nothing to do with Springer himself. 792 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's nothing to do these kids don't 793 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: care about I'm sure didn't. I mean, I'm sure at 794 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: the time they agreed with whatever political shit he was saying, 795 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: but they didn't think about policy. Were fucking seventeen year 796 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: olds like they were just they identified with the way 797 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: that he expressed emotion and the way that he let 798 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: them do it. 799 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 3: And as they identified with an angry white man of 800 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: being an angry white man on television and being colorful 801 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 3: about it. 802 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, Morton absolutely played the role of a religious extremist. Again, 803 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he believed in anything, certainly not God, 804 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: but he knew that fights over religion could make good television. 805 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: And I'm going to play an excerpt here from an 806 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: episode titled God Versus Atheism. And we don't think that 807 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: shows us if they forced to pray when they don't 808 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: want to. 809 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 2: Any child is free to pray at any time that 810 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 2: he wants. 811 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: In the public schools today, we. 812 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 5: Say we're going to give you a minute to pray 813 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 5: anytime you want. 814 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: No, they the government doesn't tell children when. 815 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 3: To pray, what to pray, how to pray, or even. 816 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 2: If they doesn't. 817 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 4: Reths like you and Madam y'all had I made sure 818 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 4: we can't even say in the Pledge of Allegiance the 819 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 4: word God anymore in a public school because of you, guys. 820 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same shit you see nowadays. It's a stupid, 821 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 2: useless argument we're still making. 822 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, exactly. Later on in that same interview, Downy 823 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: tells his atheist guest, this is a nation of freedom, 824 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: are you a religion, then you have no fucking freedom, 825 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: just like like. 826 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 2: Nine year old arguments. 827 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I don't even know what the fuck 828 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: that's supposed to be. 829 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 2: Now. 830 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: While the Morton Dannie Junior Show had lots of yelling 831 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: and fighting, some of its most sinister impacts came from 832 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: the segments that were calm, thoughtful debates. In my research, 833 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 1: I came across a roundtable discussion from nineteen eighty eight 834 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: about black crime featuring Reverend Al Sharpton. Who's another person 835 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: who really the Morton Downey Junior Show massively increased his platform, 836 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: his profile, Like he owes a lot of his fame 837 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: to the Morton Downey Junior Show. It made him, It 838 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: helped make him into like a regular fixture on TV. 839 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: While the authority or while the audience does hoot and 840 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: holler some the discussion is very simple and it's kind 841 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: of chilling because one of Morton's guests here goes on 842 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: an extended tirade about black on white crime statistics, which 843 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: is like a major argument point for fucking neo Nazis today. 844 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: So here that is, in. 845 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 7: The United States, nineteen eighty six, more murders were committed 846 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,760 Speaker 7: by blacks twelve percent of the population than we're committed 847 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 7: by whites eighty five percent of the population. These are 848 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 7: the numbers right here, right out of the Justice Department figures, 849 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 7: and you can check them later if anyone has any 850 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 7: doubts on that. When you check the murder figures in 851 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 7: interracial crime, now interracial means that you have a perpetrator 852 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 7: of one race and of another race. When you check 853 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 7: those figures, yeah, you find and I'll just get to 854 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 7: the conclusion of it. You find that a black in 855 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 7: nineteen eighty four, a black crack Jesus was over fifteen 856 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 7: times more likely the murder of white than the white 857 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 7: was the murderer. 858 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 2: Wright. 859 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: That's enough of this. So obviously this guy statistics are 860 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: very flawed. And one of Morton's other guests, doctor Gloria Toot, 861 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: does point this out pretty much immediately, and we're going 862 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: to play that clip now too. Here's her like slapping 863 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: back on this. 864 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 6: Number One, your credit is erroneous. Crime is being reduced 865 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 6: in America, not simply by black but by Americans in general. 866 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 6: We have mest crime in nineteen eighty seven than we 867 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 6: had ten years ago. Number Two, with the Justice Department 868 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 6: and state and local government officials and crime have admitted 869 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 6: that the reporting statistics are an era as it relates 870 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 6: to the crime reported by minorities and crimes reported about 871 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 6: white Number three also has now been acknowledged by those 872 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 6: officials that in many instances, the white criminal is not 873 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 6: is up convicted or even arrested, whereas your minority is. 874 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 5: Now. 875 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 6: I could go on and on and on, but the 876 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 6: fact toy is gaining. I'm just not accurate, and we. 877 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 2: Do ourselves at disservice and we. 878 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 6: Don't look at what the problem is. 879 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: So obviously that's a more productive debate than was ever 880 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: had on the Wally George Show. It seems more like 881 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you might have heard on Joe Pine. 882 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: And in fairness, he is bringing on people to contradict 883 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: and argue with this guy talking about black on white crime. 884 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: So you could call this, on one level, a more 885 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: responsible and productive debate than a lot of what you 886 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: see on right wing TV today. But I can't help 887 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: but see in this echoes of the kind of fascist 888 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: platforming that would become much more common in later years 889 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: without the measured pushback that Morton's show at least gave 890 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: it the specter of black on white crime and high 891 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: crime rates among black people are two of the most 892 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: virulent and productive talking points of the fascist right. I 893 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: could go on a rant about Dylan Roof here, who 894 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,919 Speaker 1: he claims inspired to go on his massacre by reading 895 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: about black on white crime, but this discussion has very 896 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: deep roots. And I'm kind of torn between seeing Morton 897 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: here as someone who handed it better than some people 898 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: in the right, because he did have two very well 899 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: prepared black guests to counter this line of argument, or 900 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: whether I'm just more unsettled by the fact that he 901 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: put this fucking argument on television at all. Like, I 902 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: don't know kind of where to land on that, but 903 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: it leaves me feeling unsettled. 904 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 905 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 3: No, I don't trust anything that any of these people do. 906 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 3: So it's he just did it for Rady. He knew 907 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 3: this was a hot button issue for a lot of people. 908 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And he had a full panel so that 909 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 3: he could maximize the outrage and the controversy and just 910 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 3: you know, you don't get one person on there to 911 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 3: talk about their views because that's not going to start 912 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 3: a fight. You have to get somebody else on there 913 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 3: to contradict what they're saying or counter what they're saying. 914 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's I think what's going on here. But 915 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: you know who won't platform people spreading Nazi talking points 916 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: about race related crimes, Tom. 917 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 3: Hopefully the fine people bringing us these products and services. 918 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, they absolutely do not, unless it's in which case. 919 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 2: Wo boy, here's ads. All right, we're back. Oh yeah. 920 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: So Reverend Al Sharpton was another media figure who got 921 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: a massive early boost to his career thanks to the 922 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: Morton Downey Junior Show. Maybe not early, but he got 923 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: this really increased a lot of his visibility. He and 924 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: Morton were regular sparring partners, and they also were clearly friends. 925 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: Al made for great television. At one point, he called 926 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 1: another guest a punk F word in a moment of rage. 927 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: In fact, it was Al's friendship with Morton Downy Junior 928 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: that would prove to be the downfall of the Morton 929 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: Downey Junior Show. From the Chicago Tribune quote, it all 930 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: came to a head when the show began focusing on 931 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: the case of Tijuana Brawley, a fifteen year old African 932 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: American girl who claimed to have been raped by six 933 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: white men, including a police officer and had KKK another 934 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: vile words scrawled on her body. Show after show was 935 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: devoted to this case, many featuring the Brawley advisor and 936 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: then relatively unknown Al Sharpton. Downy beat that story to death, 937 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: and his ratings began to plummet, especially after Brawley's accusations 938 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: were deemed false by a grand jury. So it does 939 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: seem to be a case where Brawley was lying. I 940 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: think it's because she'd like stayed out late and like 941 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: had to come up with an excuse and it just 942 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: was like a kid doing a dumb thing, and then 943 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: it blew up and became national news. It's a very 944 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: sad story. I think she's still like, for the rest 945 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: of her life will owe money to one of the 946 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: people she accused. 947 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 2: Who suit her. 948 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: It's like pretty fucked uptail and Morton Danny Junior jumped 949 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: on it and took it as a crusade, not because 950 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: he cared about this woman and thought that it was true, 951 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: but because you know, it was TV and he's Morton 952 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: Danny Junior. 953 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 3: Shit and issue of the day. It's a Zac sat 954 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 3: mentality behind the debate. We just listened to yep, yep, 955 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 3: exactly now. The Tawana Brawley case led to one of 956 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 3: the most infamous moments of nineteen eighties television, when Mort 957 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 3: had Al Sharpton on with a black, white right wing 958 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 3: activist named Roy. The stated goal of the episode was 959 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,720 Speaker 3: to determine who was the leader of Black America. Both 960 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 3: in it. 961 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: It's so boy, Tom, it's a little more complex than 962 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 1: is it Sharp Dinner? 963 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 2: Ennis? 964 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: But that's kind of like the inference that, like, yeah, 965 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: both Innis and Sharpton receive a chorus of booze when 966 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: they're introduced, because that's the kind of show this is. 967 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 2: Oh boy. 968 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: Mort starts the interview by bringing up comments Sharpton made 969 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: criticizing Ennis. Sharpton goes on a rant, calling Ennis a sellout, 970 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: and then this happens, and it's in us speaking at 971 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: the start of this, Oh ahead. 972 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 8: I'm one of the few, none bigger than black leaders. 973 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 2: Run. 974 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 8: I will say, let me stay now, let's deal with 975 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 8: the facts. Let's go to a record tonight. We want 976 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 8: to deal with the records and the facts. Please do 977 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 8: it on this program, your program. 978 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 2: You heard me. 979 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,720 Speaker 8: You have me on tape defending this man. Recently, even 980 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 8: after the Shenanigans with him and the others a lot 981 00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:59,720 Speaker 8: of crap. 982 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 2: You'll have time, brother ship. Yeah, he was pushed out sharp. 983 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: He just he just shoved his s down onto the 984 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: stage and a bunch of dudes rush up to start 985 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: shoving ship balls. 986 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 987 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: He pushed him right off the stage. He pushed him 988 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: right off the damn stage. Yeah, ship, Yeah, And it 989 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,240 Speaker 1: went fucking viral. This moment was huge. Every TV show, 990 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: like every news show had the clips of this fucking weeks, 991 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,919 Speaker 1: like in a way that like no genocide today goes 992 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: as viral is this clip of Al Sharpton getting shoved 993 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: off a stage went which is not a great didn't 994 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: because I know, gret, I bet I know, yeah, because yeah, yeah, 995 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 1: I bet you Yeah, I bet we all to. 996 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 2: It's Yeah. 997 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: After the Tawana Brawley case fell apart, nothing could abate 998 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 1: the downward slide of Morton's ratings. The next year, in 999 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, he made a desperate stab at regaining 1000 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: his relevance. He filed a police report claiming three skinheads 1001 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: had jumped him, beaten him up, and drawn a swastika 1002 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: on his forehead and an airplane bat in an airport bathroom. 1003 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: The police almost immediately came forward and said that the 1004 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: facts of the case as he had reported it to them, 1005 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: or is he reported it to the media, did not 1006 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: align with like what he had said. Basically, he said, 1007 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: like he's fucking lying. We have no evidence that any 1008 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: of this is true. We can't substantiate any of his claims. 1009 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: And it came out later one of his friends hastified, 1010 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: like he faked it. He like drew a swastika, Like 1011 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: the photos that he gave the cops are different from 1012 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: like the photos that he put up on TV of 1013 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,359 Speaker 1: like the swastika on his forehead, Like he just like 1014 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: faked getting jumped by skinheads to try to drum up 1015 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,280 Speaker 1: like a media controversy. He's just a desperate scumbought bag. 1016 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: He made several comeback scumbought. 1017 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, Android created only to be a scumbag. 1018 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: Just a shit droid full of just spew and poop. 1019 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: So he made a few and comeback attempts, and he 1020 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: tried to make a living doing talk radio, and he 1021 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: maintained actually a surprisingly robust career in movies you've already mentioned. 1022 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: He's Knife Bills and Predator too. He was in Revenge 1023 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: of the Nerds three Sure, which is really quite a film. 1024 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: He was in The Silencer. He was in Tails of 1025 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 1: the Crypt to name but a few episodes, although Wally 1026 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 1: George really should have been the one Entails from. 1027 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 2: The Grip honestly. Yeah. 1028 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety six he was diagnosed with lung cancer, 1029 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: which was embarrassing. Yeah, how dare you really? We have 1030 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 1: we have to thank comrade cigarettes for getting two thirds 1031 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: of these guys out of the planet critical support to 1032 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: chain smoking. This was embarrassing. To live by the sword, Robert, 1033 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: you die by the sword. And he had he made 1034 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,879 Speaker 1: a big deal about being a smoker on the year, 1035 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: kind of like the way kind of Bill Hicks did. 1036 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 1: If you listen to some of like those routines. 1037 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 2: He would talk on a cigarette and like every clip 1038 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 2: we've yes, yeah, and he would talk about like these 1039 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 2: aren't bad for me. I look better than you. 1040 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: You know we read that clip a little bit earlier, 1041 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: were you? 1042 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 3: And he does fore it back? Does motherfucker looks? Yeah, 1043 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 3: he doesn't look good. He does look good. He's all teeth. Yeah, 1044 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 3: he had, he had. He had made so much hay 1045 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 3: out of like being a smoker. He had autographed cigarette 1046 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 3: seed promised never to quit, but then he gets lung cancer, 1047 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,760 Speaker 3: and so he immediately becomes an anti smoking activist, begging 1048 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 3: people to stop. He told one interviewer, I used a 1049 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 3: cigarette as a combat weapon, and I never gave much 1050 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,439 Speaker 3: thought to the chance that the cigarette would most likely 1051 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 3: kill me. Just very funny, mmmm or yeah. Morton died 1052 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,879 Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, but his influence lives on. 1053 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 3: When his show was canceled in nineteen eighty nine, a 1054 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 3: TV reviewer with the Chicago Tribune wrote that the cancelation 1055 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 3: quote removes from our lives one of the most abrasive 1056 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 3: people ever to appear on television. But do not think 1057 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 3: that this represents a move towards a calmer climb. Downy 1058 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,240 Speaker 3: wetted people's appetites for confrontational TV. There will be someone 1059 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,720 Speaker 3: to take his place. That's a that's. 1060 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 2: Pressure be a few someones. Yeah. 1061 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: In an opinion column for CNN, Michael Smerconish makes this 1062 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,439 Speaker 1: point quote. When Fox News launched in nineteen sixty six, 1063 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,760 Speaker 1: it adopted the talk radio playbook, and NBC briefly gained 1064 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: viewers by giving Keith Olberman a Downey like platform for 1065 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: his diatribes against President George W. 1066 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:19,720 Speaker 2: Bush. 1067 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: The model for each was a toned down version of 1068 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: that which Downey had established. Entertainment masked a news constant conflict, 1069 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,240 Speaker 1: good guys versus bad guys and preordained outcomes. But Downey's 1070 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: influence extended beyond media outlets and should be appreciated as 1071 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: more than just another contributing factor to the decline of 1072 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: America's cultural health. The media paradigm he fathered has taken 1073 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: a toll on the way in which we are governed. 1074 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: There has been a noticeable uptick in incivility and polarization 1075 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,319 Speaker 1: among our leaders in the exact same period in which 1076 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,919 Speaker 1: the media has moved to the extremes, in part because 1077 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: of the power that Downey's successors exert over primary voters now. 1078 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: In this columns Murconish cites Brian Rosenwald, a fellow at 1079 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,759 Speaker 1: the University of Pennsylvania who did his doctoral dissertation on 1080 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: talk radio. Rosenwald writes Downey's heirs have fostered polarization through 1081 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,439 Speaker 1: their influence in primary elections. Republican members of Congress must 1082 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,800 Speaker 1: fear infuriating talk radio and cable news hosts because media 1083 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: personalities can use their platforms to offset several major advantages, 1084 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: including significantly greater fundraising and name recognition, held by incumbents 1085 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,720 Speaker 1: in primary elections. Hosts demand purity from elected officials, label 1086 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,880 Speaker 1: compromises treason, and glorify Congress's rhetorical bomb throwers such as 1087 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: Senator Ted Gruz. Yeah, it's pretty pretty good. There's some 1088 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: quotes in this that are talking about like polarization in 1089 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: Washington that notes that like as late as the nineteen seventies, 1090 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: the typical member of one party voted with his colleagues 1091 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,840 Speaker 1: his party members just over sixty percent of the time, 1092 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: and that those numbers have raised every decade. In twenty ten, 1093 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 1: Democrats voted together ninety one percent of the time, Republicans 1094 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: eighty nine percent of the time. Unfortunately, those able to 1095 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 1: reverse those trends have ceded the debate to the loudest voices. 1096 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: A Gallup survey released in January have found that more 1097 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: Republicans regard themselves as independent forty three as more Americans 1098 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,800 Speaker 1: regard themselves as independent forty three than Democrat thirty or 1099 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,880 Speaker 1: Republican twenty six percent. But any ground gained by the 1100 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,880 Speaker 1: non partisan ranks continues to be offset by higher political 1101 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,320 Speaker 1: interest resting at the political extremes. It's all about passion. 1102 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: As documented by Pew Research Center this past spring, liberals 1103 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,800 Speaker 1: and conservatives exceed moderates and independence in their levels of 1104 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 1: political interest, which translates into voter participation. So it's got 1105 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: Most people have been turned off by this hyper partisanization, 1106 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: but those who stay in the game just get angrier 1107 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: and angrier at each other, and it just makes for 1108 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,720 Speaker 1: an angrier country and more. And Danny Junior was certainly 1109 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: the most successful person on TV doing it before our 1110 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: modern media era because Molly George was kind of a 1111 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: marginal figure. He was influential in OC and influential to 1112 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: other media figures, but more than Danny Junior had a 1113 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 1: national show right like he was everywhere. 1114 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 3: I knew who he was, and I was a little kid. 1115 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,160 Speaker 3: I didn't even really know why I knew who he was. 1116 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 1: People knew Morton Downey Junior. He was kind of this 1117 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,160 Speaker 1: perfect synthesis, and that's what it took to really get 1118 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 1: like this kind of specific kind of right wing media 1119 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,880 Speaker 1: off the ground was a synthesis of Joe Pine and 1120 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: Wally George. Morton Downey Jr. Was the first guy to 1121 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: do that and you know. He eventually he flew too 1122 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: close to the sun and drew a swastika on his 1123 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: own forehead. But you know, like the Tale of air 1124 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: just this in the Tale of Itchlor it did happen 1125 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,240 Speaker 1: in an airport. 1126 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,479 Speaker 2: Tom, that's true. 1127 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, what a dope, What a dope. 1128 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, three people I didn't I don't like very much. Well, 1129 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 2: if it's any consolation, they're all super dead. 1130 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: They are very dead, two thirds of them because they 1131 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: smoked too much. 1132 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 3: A man, But it's a it's a good thing they 1133 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 3: didn't do like irreparable damage to the country. 1134 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, thankfully we're sailing right along. 1135 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 3: That's a good, good thing. Like the beginning, Like the 1136 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 3: seeds they planted haven't grown at a terrifying fucking forests 1137 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 3: of races. 1138 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that never happened. Speaking of which, I'm 1139 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,239 Speaker 1: gonna open my news app for the first time since 1140 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. See what's been happening. Oh, dear Tom, 1141 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: I have some bad news about the Twin Towers. You 1142 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 1: may want to sit down for this one. Damn it 1143 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: did they smoke too many cigarettes. 1144 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 2: Too in a way? 1145 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:31,320 Speaker 1: Tom in away, Oh Tom, that brings us to the 1146 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 1: end of our long journey. 1147 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,400 Speaker 2: Oh thanks, thanks, thanks. 1148 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,320 Speaker 3: For sitting through this with me and a lot of clicks. 1149 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,320 Speaker 3: I now I have a fuller picture of Moreton Downy 1150 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,239 Speaker 3: Junior in my mind. 1151 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,359 Speaker 1: Glad that was for It's the only goal I've ever 1152 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,000 Speaker 1: had for this show, which is why this is our 1153 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,799 Speaker 1: final episode. All Right, Tom, what do you gotta I'm 1154 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: just I'm just just exhausted sad. 1155 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I'm just sad. Now, I'm exhausted sad. I'm 1156 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 2: gonna get it. I'm gonna get a flaxen Wally George Wig. 1157 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: I am gonna get a wall George Wig. I need 1158 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,360 Speaker 1: to I need to do something to recharge after this. 1159 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll watch Hot Rot again or. 1160 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,320 Speaker 2: Uh watch Predator. 1161 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,879 Speaker 1: To watch Predator too, You're right with Gary Busey, Thank god. 1162 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: By the way, Lover punches Morton Downy right in the face. 1163 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: The best thing about Gary Busey's role in that is 1164 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: that Wally George could absolutely have played Gary Busey's character 1165 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:21,800 Speaker 1: in that movie. 1166 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,799 Speaker 2: He's playingly George. 1167 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: In that movie, and fucking Morton Downey Junior is in 1168 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: it too. 1169 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,800 Speaker 2: My god, what a film. 1170 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:29,319 Speaker 4: Uh. 1171 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this Predator because he's on a mirror. 1172 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: I kind of want to rewatch Revenge of the Nerds 1173 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,359 Speaker 1: three and see what the fuck Morton Danny Junior. 1174 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 2: Was doing and that shit. I wouldn't, yeh, I didn't. 1175 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 2: I didn't really enjoy watching it the first time. At 1176 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:46,319 Speaker 2: least Predator too has. 1177 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,560 Speaker 1: I think they were on the beach if I'm remembering right, 1178 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: it was on it was in like the Bahamas or something. 1179 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 3: I think it's Nerds and Nerds in Paradise, that's right. 1180 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,800 Speaker 3: I think that's one of the seals. At least Jesus Christ. 1181 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 2: Revenge of the Nerds whole movie is a bastard. It's 1182 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,000 Speaker 2: the Morton Downey of a film series. You can do it. 1183 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,759 Speaker 2: You could do an episode on just the Revenge of 1184 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,240 Speaker 2: the Nerds Jesus Christ. 1185 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,880 Speaker 1: All right, well you gotta plug anything, tom Oh sure. 1186 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 3: I have a podcast network Gameplean Employed, and I do 1187 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,800 Speaker 3: with my partner, my podcasting partner David Bell, also from Cracked. 1188 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 3: He is from from Cracked. Yeah, we all used to 1189 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 3: work there, we did, Tom. You can check it out 1190 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 3: a Gamelean not game flannplay dot patreon dot com, slash 1191 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 3: Gamepley Unemployed, where you can check out our Patreon. 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Find him at his home, you. 1203 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: Know, please do Yeah, no, docks me on attack him 1204 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,240 Speaker 1: in an airport bathroom and draw swastika on his forehead 1205 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,440 Speaker 1: to improve his career for unclear reason, I really do 1206 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,080 Speaker 1: wonder what was the what was the game plan there, Morton? 1207 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,840 Speaker 2: How is this going to help? He was gonna he 1208 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 2: was gonna make that in like three months of show. 1209 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, hunting down the Nazis who beat him up. 1210 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a whole plan. He had a whole pitch. 1211 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 2: Deck Man. 1212 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 1: God, I wish we'd all just agreed to, like, see 1213 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: what he was going to do first before I do what. 1214 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 2: I kind of see where he's going with us. Behind 1215 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,680 Speaker 2: the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. For 1216 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 2: more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool zonemedia 1217 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 2: dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 1218 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.