1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Brian, Hi Katie, and hello listeners. Now, Brian, you 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: grew up right here in l A, on the main 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: streets of Brentwood, and I know you've been obsessed with 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: politics as long as you've been able to talk practically 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: guilty as so tell us about today's guest, our latest 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: wonder woman, Congresswoman Maxine Waters, who represents California's forty three 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: congressional district. Well to start, her career has certainly had longevity. 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: She's been a fixture in the California political scene since 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: before I was born. She was elected to the California 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: bragging Yes, I'm so youthful. She was elected the California 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: State Assembly in the late seventies, then to Congress. She's 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: represented l A through some very notable and difficult moments 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: in its history, including, for example, the riots that followed 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: the Rodney King verdict. And while she's been in politics 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: for a long time, lately she's really captured the public imagination. 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: This is Maxine Waters moment. She's a big head among 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: millennials who call her Anti Mazine. They get t shirts 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: and coffee mugs with her now famous slogan, which we'll 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: talk about, and she is not mincing words these days. 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: She recently said that quote, the United States of America 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: is being represented by the most despicable human being that 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: could possibly ever walk the earth. That's pretty clear. Tell 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: us what you really think, Maxine. So I suppose now 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: is the time to mention Katie that the idea with 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: our Wonder Women's series is not to endorse a particular viewpoint, 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: but instead we're having meaningful conversations with women who have 27 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: made a big impact in their particular fields. That's right, 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: And as I alluded to earlier, Congresswoman Waters certainly made 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: a huge splash last summer in an exchange with Treasury 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: Secretary Steve Venuchin. Will get to that as well, but 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: we started by asking her about President Trump's recent comments 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: to crying immigrants from what he called shiphole Country. Her 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: reaction to what he said. When you heard that, Maximi, 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: I call you maccine by absolutely. When you first heard that, 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: what was your reaction, Well, you know, it was just 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: a feeling of disgust. You know, I have been watching 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: this president and paying a lot of attention to what 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: he said, how he acts, and his tweeting, and I've 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: known for a long time that this was a dishonorable 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: human being, that this was a person with no good values. 41 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, I'd heard just about everything 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: that you could possibly hear from him, and when I 43 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: heard this statement about shiphole countries, I thought, this is it. 44 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: You know, we have got to put the pressure on. 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: Not so much to the people of Congress. They know 46 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: and they should be doing more, but we've got to 47 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: keep saying to the American people, this is your country. 48 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: You have got to make sure that you put pressure 49 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: on your elected officials, that you show up that we 50 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: do everything that we can to get this man out 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: of office. So what do you think is the recipe 52 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: for doing that? I mean, you know, we've heard this before. 53 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: You were saying impeachment a few months ago, and people 54 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: hear this, they're mortified. But what is the path forward? Well, 55 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, I have hope that our special counsel Moller 56 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: is going to connect the dots in a way that 57 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: people cannot deny it, that you can easily see that 58 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: he's been involved in collusion, that he's obstructed justice, that 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: he's been involved in money laundering, and when you add 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: all of that to what he's revealed about his character, 61 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how members of Congress are going to 62 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: be able to stand with him. So I have a 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: lot of hope that Mueller is going to reveal information 64 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: about him that will make people understand and believe how 65 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: danger he is. So clearly to me at least, the 66 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: remarks were racist. Do you think that Donald Trump is 67 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: a racist? Donald Trump is a racist? And I said 68 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: at this morning on MSNBC, I wanted to be known 69 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: by everyone that I am not unsure about how I 70 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 1: feel about him and what I've seen and what I've heard. 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: And the interesting thing is now it seems that even 72 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: in the media, print media, you know, electronic media, etcetera, 73 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: you're hearing others say it more and more and more. 74 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: And so yes, I'm sure that he's a racist. And 75 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: what do you make of that change in tone and 76 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: change in sort of characterization of the president? Well, first 77 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: of all, for me, I cannot help but think, why 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: did it take him so long to understand what I 79 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: think I have known for a long time, going back, 80 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: even taking a look at his history where he and 81 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: his father denied rental units to African or Americans and 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: had to settle that. And there are other kinds of 83 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: incidents that has helped me to come to this conclusion. 84 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: But I think for those who are willing to say 85 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: it for the first time is that they can't doubt 86 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: themselves anymore. They can't say, uh, maybe uh, you know, 87 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: people are Russian to judgment about him, maybe he didn't 88 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: really mean it. I think now more and more people 89 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: are saying, oh, no, he has demonstrated without a doubt 90 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: that he is a racist. Why do you think Donald 91 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: Trump says these things? I mean, he's with a lot 92 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: of members of Congress when he does it. It's not 93 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: as if he says it even privately. So what is 94 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,559 Speaker 1: motivating him to do these things? Do you think he's 95 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: got mental issues or do you think he's a jerk? 96 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: Or what? What do he why? Why is he doing this? Well? 97 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: You know, I've had some people say to me, oh, 98 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: you know, he's strategic, he knows what he's doing. I 99 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: don't think he can help himself. I think this something 100 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: about his basic character. I think this is something about 101 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: the way that he has learned to deal with the world, 102 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: in the business world, with his family and all of that. 103 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: I think it's the way he's been socialized, and I 104 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: think it's the way he's been able to win in 105 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: certain ways. Uh. And so I think that he can't 106 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: help himself. It comes out and I really believe that 107 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: because sometimes he tries to so called walking back, you know. 108 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: So I think he is out of control. It's just 109 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: very it's unfathomable to me that he does this. It's 110 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: so self sabotaging. Yes, yes, well, let me just say this. 111 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: I think one of the most recent denials he's made 112 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: is with the Wall Street Journal, and he is basically 113 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: saying that he did not say what they're saying he said. 114 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: But this period of his uh, this year that he's 115 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: been in office, is replete with that kind of stuff. 116 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: Don't forget Billy Bush and the recording that was made 117 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: where he talked about grabbing women by their private parts, 118 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: and now he's trying to say that really wasn't my 119 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: voice on tape. So I think he can't help himself. 120 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: I think that he's dangerous. Uh. And what bothers me 121 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: is that number one, he is negotiating with other countries 122 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: and representing US, and he's alienating other countries. Do we 123 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: do you think that any of the sticks, you know? 124 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: I wonder if it all becomes white noise. And I 125 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: wonder if people become inured to this kind of rhetoric 126 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: and this kind of behavior. Well, could you imagine if 127 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: any other president had, if any other president paid off 128 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: a porn star to keep quiet about their extramarital relationship. 129 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: And that wasn't even the top story a couple of 130 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: days ago when it came out. No, as a matter 131 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: of fact, there's not been a lot of discussion about that. 132 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: A hundred and thirty thousan dollar ears to the porn 133 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: star that was paid off by Cohen. But that's my question, 134 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: though doesn't matter. Well, here's what It won't matter if 135 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: it is sub rosa, if we don't talk about it, 136 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: if we don't discuss it. And it's not so much 137 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: about just saying I'm worried. We have to talk about 138 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: this in relationship to the democracy, to our country. This 139 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: is a man who doesn't care about the constitution, he 140 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: doesn't care about the protocols of government, and care about 141 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: anybody but himself. Really, But I think we have to 142 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: keep reminding people how unusual this is, how abnormal it is, 143 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: and not allow it to become normal. So you mentioned 144 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: Bob Mueller, the special counsel doing this Russia investigation. You've 145 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: been out front on a campaign to protect Mueller. What 146 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: are you protecting him from? Well, as you know, this 147 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: president has demonstrated that he will cross over the line 148 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: in anything. I mean, when he decides that he wants 149 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: to punish someone, when he decides he wants to say 150 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: something nasty about someone, he has no filter, he will 151 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: do it. And I think he was poised to fire Muller. 152 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: I think he still would like to do it. But 153 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: I think that enough people rose up. Uh, and not 154 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: just members of Congress. I organize one dred and seventy 155 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: one members. But you could hear some Republicans mumbling he 156 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: better not do that. And so I think that enough 157 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: people you know, stood in support of Mola in different 158 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: ways that caused him to at least back off to 159 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: this point, can we do one, one or two more 160 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: moral questions, just as long as just because I want 161 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: to mention her poem that did so So you recently 162 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: wrote a poem did very well, like the rest of 163 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: your social media posts, can you read it to us? Yes? Absolutely, 164 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: Um a message to me life, stay strong and stand calm, 165 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: continue to investigate them all you're indeed answering the people's call. 166 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: The Krimlin clan is going to fall around you. The 167 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: Democrats are building a wall. We look forward to the 168 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: day to prison. They will all be hauled. Regular William, 169 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: So you've asked about this investigation. What is Trump so 170 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: afraid of? Yes, what do you think he's so afraid of? Well, 171 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: I absolutely believe he certainly knows what he has done 172 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: and who he has been connected to, and he knows 173 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: what Kushner has done, he knows what Wilbert Ross has 174 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: been involved in, and all of the rest of them, 175 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: that's you know, his allies around him. And so he 176 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: knows if the investigation continues that they're going to find 177 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: out what he has done and what his connections are 178 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: to Putin and to some of the oligarchs of Russia, 179 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: and so he would like to stop it. He has 180 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: put forth a lot of effort at starting out when 181 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: he thought he could co op Comy and get him 182 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: to uh not go forward with the investigation as he 183 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: asked him not to do. And so I think he's 184 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: afraid he's going to be discovered. I don't know the 185 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: extent to which you know he has been involved with 186 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: Russian and the extent to which he's been involved in 187 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: money laundrying. But I believe that it is substantial. So 188 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: you mentioned in your poem the Kremlin clan. Yes, do 189 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: you believe the Steel dossier that basically says Putin has 190 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: some kind of blackmail on Trump? I believe that there 191 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of things in that that's here that 192 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: are true. Uh. You know, I keep hearing from the 193 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: FBI and others that it has not all been vetted. 194 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: I wish they would get through with the vetting so 195 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: that we will know which parts of it are absolutely true. 196 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: But I do think that a lot of it is true. 197 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 1: And Trump has never said I wasn't in that hotel room. 198 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: You know, I don't care what you said. He's never 199 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: denied that. And of course we have learned that this 200 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: is the way the Russians work. They blackmail, Uh. They 201 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: lure you into situations so that they can have something 202 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: on you. This is supposed to be common practice with 203 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: Putin in particular. You've been a member of Congress since that. 204 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: There was a moment last year when you really lit 205 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: up the national stage just to set the scene. You 206 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about Treasury Secretary Stephen Nuchin was 207 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: testifying before the House Financial Services Committee, where you're the 208 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:44,239 Speaker 1: top Democrat, and you became frustrated and said these infamous 209 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: or famous three words, reclaiming my time. Is there some 210 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: reason why I did not get a response to the 211 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: letter that I sent May twenty three, So, Ranking Member Waters, 212 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: first of all, let me thank you for your service 213 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: to California. Being a resident of California, I appreciate everything 214 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: that you can the community there. I don't want to 215 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: take my time. I also have appreciated the opportunity to 216 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: claim in my time. Claim in mind, we're doing our 217 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: claim in my time. The time belongs to the general. 218 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: Lady from California. Just say it for us one more time, vaccine, 219 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: reclaiming my time, reclaiming my time. I think that should 220 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: be the title of your memoirs, if you ever write them. Well, 221 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think that he had been taught that 222 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: if he could take up the time complimenting me and 223 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: saying nice things about me, I could not get to 224 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: question him about why he had not answered the letter 225 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: that we had sent. And in fact, those the rules 226 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: of the House where if he does, it takes away 227 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: from your time period. You're questioning the time. That's right. 228 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: It takes away from our time period. And there's nothing 229 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: new about those words. You know, this is the regular 230 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: art of business, and it has been used by other members. 231 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: It's used from time to time, and for some reason 232 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: people heard it for the first time. Well, I think 233 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: it meant more than just reclaiming my time. I think 234 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: that was symbolic for a lot of things at this 235 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: moment in our history. Why do you think it captured 236 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: the public's imagination. It went viral, and it's really becomes 237 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: revered thing. I know, I don't know. I've thought about 238 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: it a lot. I think, um, one thing that happened 239 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: was here you had a woman who's the ranking member 240 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: of the Financial Services Committee, it happens to be an 241 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: African American woman, and you had a rich, powerful man 242 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: who's part of the president's cabinet, who is now the 243 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: Treasury secretary. And for me to just not be intimidated 244 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: by him, to not allow him to get away what 245 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: he was trying to do. I think it was inspiring 246 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: and I think it helped people to have hope that 247 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: g we've got some people there that are willing to 248 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: take them on and to you know, force them to 249 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: have to answer questions and to you know, deal with 250 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: the issues that are before them. So I think it 251 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: might have been a little inspiring. What kind of my 252 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: goodness all kind of being back as you know, there's 253 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: a man who created a song that's right, sort of 254 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: a remix of reclaiming My Time. And so I was 255 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: on the view and they surprised me with him coming 256 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: out of the audience sing and reclaiming My Time and 257 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: the audience joining in with I was shocked. I said, 258 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: I can't believe, first of all, and he's a good singer, 259 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: he's excellent wan to talk about the things y, But 260 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: I tell you what, the most interesting thing about it is, 261 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: I have a lot of women who have decided that 262 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: they were going to make some changes in their lives. 263 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: One person talked about a divorce, and this was a 264 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: man really about how uh he felt, you know, he 265 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: couldn't go on with his life, you know, because it 266 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: had been so traumatic for him. But he said, I'm 267 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: reclaiming my time. All kind of stories like that, and 268 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: then of course these cute little things that happened on 269 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: the internet at Halloween. There was these little girls kind 270 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: of they had them dressed up like me, you know, 271 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: with the kind of a jacket suit jacket and little 272 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: pearls and ear rings. And one was sitting there with 273 00:16:53,960 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: the pumpkin, said reclaiming my candy. And you're are all 274 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: kinds of stories, like people have taken this to fit 275 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: situations in their lives and they are using it to 276 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: basically declare that something different is going to happen. And 277 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: so I've enjoyed these stories. It's a matter of fact, 278 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: I'm writing about them. Are you? Are you writing a 279 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: book about this? Not yet, but I'm I'm your journaling. Yes, 280 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: is that what you call that? Okay, I'm good. We're 281 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with 282 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: more from Congresswoman Maxine Waters right after this. Now back 283 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: to our conversation with Congresswoman Maxine Waters. So, I think 284 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people have gotten to know you recently 285 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: as sort of a hero of the resistance movement, but 286 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't think they really know you well. So you 287 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: grew up the fifth of thirteen children in St. Louis. 288 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: Your dad left when you were two years old. About 289 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: that time, tell us about your mother. My mother, Um 290 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: was a really beautiful woman who uneducated. She only went 291 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: to third grade, and she came out of an interest 292 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: in history because her father was not married to my grandmother, 293 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: her mother, and he married someone else, and the that 294 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: family became pretty prominent family, and the daughters of that 295 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: family went to college, and the relatives on that side 296 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: were quite different from my mother's side. My mother's side 297 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: was rather poor, and I was raised partly with my 298 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: great grandmother because my grandmother died pretty early and she 299 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: helped my mother. My mother was this young woman at 300 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: sixteen years old, she married a man about thirty something 301 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: years old, and I think a lot of that had 302 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: to do with being poor and with your grandparents saying 303 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: it's okay, you know. And so she had all of 304 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: five or six of us by my father. And I 305 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: don't know all of the information about how she decided 306 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: to leave and go to St. Louis. I mean, I 307 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: don't I don't understands Arkansas. But was interesting that the 308 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: first five children were all born in different states. And 309 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: I think it was because my father was didn't have 310 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: a talent or career. He was like a handy man, 311 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: and so I think he traveled wherever that was work. 312 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: So I don't know how she managed that. I don't 313 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: really understand how she took her children and left, but 314 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: he followed her at one point, I think, to St. Louis. 315 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: And that's when I was born at home without you know, 316 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: we had no health insurance. I think, um, I mean why, um, 317 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: very poor, went on welfare and I think he was 318 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: there for a while, left and then came back when 319 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: I was about two years old. Yeah, so I didn't 320 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: know a lot about him. Thirteen children and very poor, 321 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: uh family, and yet your mother must have given you 322 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: all something. So she was strong. Now, she was very 323 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: very strong and amazingly uh kind of self educated because 324 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: she didn't get a formal education, wrote lovely letters, and 325 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: she was a survivor. And she was married a second time. 326 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: There were two children that was born in between the 327 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: first marriage and the second marriage, and all the rest 328 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: were born to the second marriage, and like a whole 329 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: a different family. But she was strong and uh we 330 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, she raises in church. We went to church 331 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: every Sunday and went to Sunday schools, a lot of 332 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: hard work because don't forget, the first three were girls, 333 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: the first four for girls, and so we did everything 334 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: we had to do it. We shovel coal, we watched wendows, 335 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: we fixed broken things. I mean, we did everything. But 336 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: I want to tell you I'm very grateful for it 337 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: now because I depend on nobody. You know, I can, 338 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, whatever I have to be prepared for whatever 339 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: I have to get ready for whatever I have to do. 340 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: You know, we're in an old house, for example, and 341 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, life went out. I said, 342 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: where's the shields box? You know, I had to go 343 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: and put I want to stow at bottom fields as 344 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: I put him into black My husband did quite no. 345 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: So she taught you how to be strong and independent. 346 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm curious of the thirteen kids, are are many still living? 347 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: And do you still stay in touch with them? That yes, 348 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm in touch with them. As a matter of fact, 349 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: long before my mother passed three years ago, I had started, 350 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: maybe twenty years ago, of having a Mother's Day luncheon. 351 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a family reunion, but it happens 352 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day, and so all of the family participates, 353 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: all of the my siblings participate in this luncheon. And 354 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: now you know, my nieces and nephews and great nieces 355 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: and nephews. They all participate and we went on her 356 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: like you know a queen and you know she would 357 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: be senter focus. Well she only so she How old 358 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: was she when she passed? Ninety seven years old? And 359 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: that was three years ago that she passed away. But 360 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: the all thirteen kids are still learning. No no, no, 361 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: no no. We have at least four of them have 362 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: passed along the way. So you moved here to l Ae. 363 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: You worked at a factory, as a telephone operator, as 364 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: a teacher at head Start, assistant teacher. What I don't 365 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: want to gild the lily there. What drew you then 366 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: to get involved in politics? Well, I think it was 367 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: my time and head Start, the head Start program was 368 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: and still is very special for me. It was doing 369 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: the war on poverty. It was a new program. There 370 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: was a new program under the Big War on Poverty 371 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: where a Sergeant Shriver and others had been had decided 372 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: that they were going to deal with poverty and they 373 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: were going to put funds into creating programs that would 374 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: help people get jobs, help people get job trained, help 375 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: people service interns. When they elected officials, all of this 376 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: was coming about. This was a very exciting time and 377 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: so at that time, I would say service representative for 378 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: the gas company. And I had a friend and she 379 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: heard about the War on Poverty and the head Start program, 380 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: and we talked about, you know, this program is going 381 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: to be very important. It's gonna give little children from 382 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: poor families and from working class families an opportunity to 383 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: have a preschool education, which you know was kind of 384 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: unheard of except for if you were rich or you 385 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: had money, you were wealthy. And so we both tracked 386 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: it down and we applied. Oh I got the jobs, 387 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: she didn't. There's increasing scientific evidence that early childhood education 388 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: is so critically important, Maxine, as we know. And yet 389 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: there is a piece in the New York Times magazine 390 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: talking about how preschool teachers are paid pitiful wages and 391 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: really treated with very little respect and considered babysitters. How 392 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: do you see that changing? Because there's such a disparity 393 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: between children of means and children of poverty when it 394 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: comes to their vocabularies, when it comes to really starting 395 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: them off on the right track. How can how can 396 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 1: we change that? Well, you know, at one time this 397 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: country was moving towards embracing the fact that we had 398 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: to invest in our very young children and provide preschool. Now, 399 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: we always had a few right wingers who thought, no, 400 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: they didn't want a preschool. Uh, this was putting their 401 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: children in the hands of others, too young and all 402 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: of that. But really there was a feeling that this 403 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: was very, very important. You know, when I look at 404 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: where we are today with right wing conservatives who don't 405 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: have they don't want government to support education. They want 406 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: to privatize all education. And when I take a look 407 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: at the way these private post secondary schools or ripping 408 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: off you know, the government, I am almost numbed by 409 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: the fact that we have gone backwards. But you're absolutely 410 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: right to the degree that you invest in education for 411 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: young of children. Uh, not only do you get them 412 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: prepared for elementary school, but you have them learn to 413 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: think early. And we were taught and head Start to 414 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: help individual children understand that they were important, that they 415 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: were good. And so I I love head Start and 416 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: I believe in hit Start, and I'm worried because their 417 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: efforts to spread out head Start without more money. It's interesting. 418 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: I just want to point out there was a study 419 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: that showed for kids of means versus kids of poverty, 420 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: by the time they're five, the vocabulary gap is thirty 421 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: million words. What yes? And then if kids aren't at 422 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: the same level by fourth grade, they never catch is 423 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: never going to catch you. So I think that just 424 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: shows how critically important early childhood education is. That's right. 425 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: We should the Congress of the United States of America 426 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: should be doing everything possible to invest in preschool education. So, uh, 427 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: you got elected to the California State Legislature and your 428 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: signature cause it seemed at that time was divesting from 429 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: apartheid era South Africa. Lot of the important issues I 430 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: dealt with. So now there's discussion on college campuses and 431 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: elsewhere about divesting from Israel. How are those movements similar 432 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: and different in your mind? And do you think that's 433 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: a good idea? Well, you know, Uh, the investment has 434 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: always been kind of controversial. Uh. When we worked to divest, uh, 435 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: and I worked on divesting our pension funds from companies 436 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: that we're doing business in South Africa, I was very 437 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: sure that all of those companies, American firms in particular, 438 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: that were there, uh, and they were a part of 439 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: the exploitation. Uh, they were part of not only the 440 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: under payment of their workers, but they could see how 441 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: they lived, they could see how the apartheid government treated them, 442 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: but they were only interested in their bottom line. And 443 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: so that moved me to say, no, this is not right. 444 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: These American firms cannot be there basically sighting with the 445 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: apartheime government against these people that they're exploiting and they're 446 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: working for pennies and all of that, and so I 447 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: felt very comfortable with the fact that we should get 448 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: involved in divestment. I'm hearing a lot more about this 449 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: movement with Israel, and so I have to admit that 450 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: I have not paid as much attention to what goes 451 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: on in Israel as I was paying attention to what 452 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 1: was going on in Africa, and so I am learning. 453 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: I joined Jay Streak just to learn more about because 454 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: they seemed UH and they are. I'm convinced that they are. 455 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: That they are credible in the way that they evaluate 456 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: what is happening, and the way that they deal with 457 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: the issues, and the way that they take responsibility, and 458 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: the way that they sometimes don't agree certainly with net 459 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Yahoo and others UH and their pro peace and pro Israel. 460 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: It's an organization largely started by Jewish co Founders, but 461 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: they therefore a peace agreement, and I agree with them 462 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: and I follow them a lot, but they advocate divesting 463 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: from Israel. So divesting from Israel is hugely controversial and complicated, 464 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: and and what are your views on that, Brian. I'm 465 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: opposed to it because I think there's no moral equivalence 466 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: between what happened in South Africa and what is currently 467 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: happening in Israel. Despite the profound differences that I personally 468 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: have with Netanya, whose government, I don't think divestment is 469 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: the right way to move them to change. But it's interesting. 470 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: It's become a big topic of conversation among a lot 471 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: of young liberals in particular. It is and one of 472 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: my dearest friends who I really need so often to 473 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: be able to talk to, died. Did you ever hear 474 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: the name Stanley Shinbau, Yes, of course, long time very 475 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: famous Democratic Jewish actor this in l Yes. And he 476 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: was an adviser to me, you know, he helped me 477 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: through some of these issues. So I will keep up 478 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: with it and I will see. Yes, you've represented the 479 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: district where there were major riots. Of course after the 480 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: Rodney King's verdict. Of course I was covering that on 481 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: a daily basis, and and you try not to excuse 482 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: but explain why people were rioting. More than sixty people 483 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: were killed, lots of shops and businesses destroyed. Has been 484 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: more than a quarter of a century. When you look 485 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: back on these riots, what are your thoughts today? Was 486 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: anything really accomplished? Well, here's basically what I think and 487 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: what I was thinking then. After I was elected, and 488 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: in that district that I had at the time, there 489 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: were several public housing projects, and supposedly we had programs 490 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: at the city. Leave of all that was dealing with 491 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: the job training and dealing with trying to get young 492 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: people employed because the employment rates were very high. But 493 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: every time I went through, whether it was Nickerson Gardens, 494 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: Jordan Downs, Imperial Courts, Kanzak Village, all of these places, 495 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: I could see nothing but young men hanging out, hordes 496 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: of young people, and I could think, why aren't the 497 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: city resources getting here? Why don't we see the job 498 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: training programs that I decided to create one myself. And 499 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: while I was there doing this work, I learned an 500 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: awful lot about how people were living and why they 501 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: were living that way. First of all, real poverty secondly, 502 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: lost hope. These young people didn't think anything was gonna 503 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: happen to them. They couldn't get a job, they didn't 504 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: have any money. Uh, they didn't think anybody cared about them, 505 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: And so their lives were absolutely separate and apart from 506 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: what goes on in the other part of the city. 507 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: It's another world. And so when it happened, it was 508 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: almost as if I knew that something was going to give. 509 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: And I attempted to describe the hopelessness. You don't agree 510 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: to riots as being the answer, but what you have 511 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: to understand is that if you have this consistent poverty, 512 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: and you have hopelessness, and you have abandonment, that something's 513 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: gonna give. That's what I saw. Do you think things 514 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: have improved, Oh, over the years, yeah, things have improved. 515 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: But you know, the way that the conservatives talk about 516 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: it is as if you don't continue to build on progress. 517 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: We put money there, Look, nothing happened, you know, we 518 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: put money there a long time ago. Things change, but 519 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: it takes time. To your point, well, it takes time. 520 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: And to move families and children from generations of poverty 521 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: takes even more than time. It takes time plus time 522 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,239 Speaker 1: and so, yes, there have been changes, and yes, I 523 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: think there have been setbacks, but I don't think that 524 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: our country and our government have been prepared to deal 525 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: with the complications of poverty and how to unwind it 526 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: and get people out of it. So coming back to 527 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: your personal story, Yes, there was an article last year 528 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: in the Daily Beast and the headline was Maxine Waters 529 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: from most Corrupt to resistance hero. I want to ask 530 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: you about the first part of that headline. That must 531 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: have hurt a lot. Well, I wish that I could 532 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: say it did, except I have heartened over the years 533 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: because I have been involved in controversial issues and I 534 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: have fought against the established way of doing things. So 535 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: I've been criticized and I've been called names, and I'd 536 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: be happy to discuss with you what this is all about. 537 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: And I think about it a lot now, uh, in 538 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: terms of how it evolved, and here's what. When the 539 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: recession took place where there was a subprime meltdown which 540 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: brought us to basically a crash. When that happened, one 541 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: of the things that happened was a bank, a black 542 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: bank that my husband served on as the board of 543 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: directors who never took any director's fees. Just wanted to 544 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: make sure that we had a minority institutions in the community, 545 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: and he had retired from that even before this incident 546 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: took place. But when it took place, the president of 547 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: the Minority Bankers Association came to me and said, this 548 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: is a disaster. It put them at great risk. They said, 549 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: we we'll go out of business. Gotta do something. I 550 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: said yes, because I worked with minority institutions. So I 551 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: called the Treasury Secretary and asked him if he would 552 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: meet with the representatives from the minority banks, and he 553 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: said yes. So just to give some background to our 554 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: listeners that the controversy at the time was, as you said, 555 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: there was this bank in the community where your husband 556 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: had been involved, and the criticism of you was that 557 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: you would intervene to try to get bail out money 558 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: in support of this bank. Just so people understand. But 559 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: so people also understand small banks, community banks, and minority 560 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: banks can't get into the Treasurer's office. Yeah, Jamie Diamond 561 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: walks into the treasure's office like he owns it, and 562 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: the big CEOs of the banks, and so they need 563 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: some help. I am not above given help where I 564 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: think help is needed, and so Republican inside the Treasurer's 565 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: office Maxine Waters controversial husband. They tried to say he 566 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: was serving on the bank boyd At the time he 567 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 1: was not, but both of us had money in this bank, 568 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: and so they tried to say that I was doing 569 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: something special for a bank. When they came to me, 570 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: it was representing all of the banks, the minority banks, 571 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: and so they met with him. Uh and uh. It 572 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: became a story. As a matter of fact, it was 573 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: somewhere in the New York Times who got a call 574 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: with this. And I handled it very wrong because when 575 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: this person came to me because they had gotten a 576 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: call from the Republican and asked me about this, I 577 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to him. I said, you're out of your mind. 578 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I just handled it wrong. And I think 579 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 1: that the story really developed out of the fact that 580 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: I resisted engaging the reporter. At the time. You were 581 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: cleared by an investigator. Absolutely, and we always knew we 582 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: would be. Is it frustrating? Is it frustrating vaccine that 583 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: that this sort of label kind of pops up and 584 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: seems to haunt you now and again. Oh, here's what 585 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: I have come to groups with It's the same way 586 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: that I deal with airplane flights. When I'm on the 587 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: airplane and I'm in the air, no matter how restless 588 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: I am, no matter if I had fear, it's nothing 589 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: I can do at the time. I have to stay 590 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: on that plane and keep riding, you know what I'm saying. 591 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: And so, of course this is gonna pop up. And 592 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: one of the things that I do believe is that 593 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: everybody knows that we're totally exonerated, that they found none 594 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: of that to be true. Uh. And the other thing is, 595 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, if your constituents developed trust because you have 596 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: dealt with them in a trustful way, it doesn't bother them. 597 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: Let's move on. And I want to get your thoughts. 598 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: As a strong African American female, he's been involved in 599 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: politics for a very long time, how you feel about 600 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: this so called reckoning that we're in the midst of 601 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: in terms of women reclaiming their powers and he claiming 602 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: their time and standing up and speaking out. Well, I 603 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: come from the women's movement, Bella Apps A Glorious Steinhum, 604 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: pat Ty Mink. I mean this was part of my 605 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: development and I think what either we did wrong or 606 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: we were not able to do well was we did 607 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: not keep it going, so that we entered into a 608 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 1: point in time where young women said, you know, I'm 609 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: going to have a career and I don't want to 610 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: be seen as a broad burning woman the way those 611 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: women were, and we do it differently. Excepted just come 612 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: full circle. Accepted his come full circle with the focus 613 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: on sexual assault. And so I'm pleased that women are 614 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: willing to speak up and now that we know there's 615 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 1: a difference, because you know, at my age, we came 616 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,280 Speaker 1: from a time when men whistling, when men talking about 617 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: how good you look with your body. I mean, we 618 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: just thought that was the way it was, you know 619 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: what I mean. And so you know, I'm hearing these 620 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: stories about women in workplace situations. And we always heard 621 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 1: about the casting couch. Now that we always heard about 622 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: and we everybody just took it for granted that's the 623 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: way it is. But now that's being undone and women 624 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: can come forward and they can say it, they can 625 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: talk about it, and they know it's something wrong with it. 626 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: The only thing that I worry about is that I 627 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: want and I think this will happen at some point 628 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: in time. There has to be a way by which 629 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: we have the opportunity to understand and is there a 630 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: difference between rape and putting your hands on somebody and 631 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: saying certain things? I mean, we got to figure all 632 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: that out and tried to say that, uh, and he 633 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: got damon ized, if you will, for making It's a 634 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: very very fraught time right now, and think emotions are 635 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: extremely high. Are you optimistic this is going to translate 636 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: into changes in policies and especially even on Capitol Hill. 637 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: I was shocked to hear that there was a whole 638 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: fund to help people who had been accused of this, right, 639 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: I mean to talk about that what? Yes, yes, as 640 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: it's slight discrimination, uh, in the workplace and in government 641 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: where you know, people have complaints and they're real, and 642 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: so there has to be some structures that are designed 643 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: to deal with that. We had one wasn't very good. 644 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: We found it wasn't wasn't it designed primarily to pay 645 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: off of victims. So yeah, well, I guess you know, 646 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: and I guess we didn't pay enough attention to it. 647 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: But we did find there were settlements that were made 648 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: that was a thirty day cooling off period. All of 649 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: that's being changed now the women have gotten together and 650 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: they are redefining the kind of support that women should 651 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: have who have complaints that they come forward with. Let 652 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 1: me ask you a political question. Yes, there's a lot 653 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: of optimism now among Democrats that you all can win 654 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: the House this year. But there's been a lot of 655 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: angst and a lot of consternation over the unpopularity of 656 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: your leader Nancy Pelosi, and many Democrats have said it's 657 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: time for her to step aside, that she's hurting the cause. 658 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: What's your reaction to that. Well, first of all, I 659 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: know Nanty Pelosi very well. We've worked in this state together, 660 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: and we worked on voter registration many years ago. I 661 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: think she might have been chair of the party at 662 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: the time. She's strong, she's smart, and she's politically a 663 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,240 Speaker 1: genius really and we would not have Obamacare but for Nancy, 664 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: and I can name probably a few other things. And 665 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: so she has done a fabulous job. This attack on 666 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: her started with Republicans, for sure. Yeah, they demonized her 667 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: San Francisco Republican Nancy Pelosi, what have you? And they 668 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: took it out and they worked it And so I 669 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: don't like the fact that Democrats would pile on to 670 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: what Republicans started and the way that they use this 671 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: to demonize her. Of course, there has to be room 672 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: for young people to come in. Look, I'm seventy nine 673 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: years old, but the millenials like me, you know what 674 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. They're saying. But so I don't know if 675 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: it's age as much as it is you know, how 676 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: you frame what you do when you're the speaker, and 677 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: she has been the speaker, and when you're the leader 678 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: and you're balancing everything from the liberals, you know, to 679 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: the conservatives in your party. It takes an expert and 680 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: a good mind to do that. I like her. I 681 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: don't think she should be driven out. I think that 682 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: she's done a good job. I would stand up and 683 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: defend her any day of the week. I don't know 684 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. Of course, we have young people 685 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: coming into the Democratic Party. They're hungry and they want 686 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: to move up. I'm kind of from the old school, 687 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm saying, look, you can't just jump 688 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: over everybody, you know what I mean. It takes a 689 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: little work, you know, to do this. And so I'm 690 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: sympathetic among the millennials whom you're so popular. There's a 691 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: there's a label you've been given lately. Anti. Yeah, can 692 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: you explain that label for people who don't understand it. 693 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: I can try and explain it. And I think the 694 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: person who really kind of got it started works at 695 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: All Magazine, a young creative writer, Eric Thomas, and I 696 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: think he started and the way he describes it, sometimes 697 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: it's complimentary in the beginning, and sometimes it's not. It's 698 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: like that aunt who comes to your house, looks around 699 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: and talks about things aren't right and things should be changed, 700 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: and just because she's done a little bit better in 701 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: her life and now she's got a good retirement and 702 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like I uh that uh, but it's like 703 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: sometimes you do. And she's bossy uh she um, she 704 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: takes advantage sometimes she schools. Uh. But but you know, 705 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,399 Speaker 1: when you're in hard times, in difficult she's always got 706 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: that extra dollar to give you, you know. I mean 707 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: it's that kind of thing. You know, you mentioned your 708 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: seventy nine and we're going to let you go and 709 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of your Sunday. But how long do 710 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: you think you'll be doing this? Maxine? I haven't the 711 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: slightest idea. Sometimes well, let me just say this, I 712 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: am blessed in many ways because I have a lot 713 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: of energy, and I have good health and I'm not tired. Ever, 714 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I sometimes ask myself, why 715 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: are you doing this? Why do you continue to do this? 716 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: And then something good will happen, like Alabama, you know, 717 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: and then you go, oh boy, we can at them 718 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: now vote like Alabama. And so I go through these 719 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: periods where I'm sometimes disgusted and I think, um, I 720 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,799 Speaker 1: should be off someplace enjoying life a different way. And 721 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: then when something good and inspiring happens, and I see 722 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: people being helped and you get a good story about, 723 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, something that happened to a family or veteran 724 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: or childs or seniors, or I just get all inspired 725 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 1: all over again, and it gives me more energy and 726 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,959 Speaker 1: I get up ready to go. If you say, God, 727 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,720 Speaker 1: bless those African American women in Alabama, oh God, yes, 728 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: I mean to tell you, uh, you have to think 729 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: about this. There was a time when in the South 730 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 1: and Alabama, people were so intimidated they didn't even get 731 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: registered to vote. They were fraid that the local grocery 732 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: store was going to cut off their line of credit. 733 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: They thought that someone's gonna come and force them out 734 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: of their rental house. They went about to and just 735 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: think how far they have home. They have come to 736 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: the point where they're exercising power and I'm just thrilled 737 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: about it. What's your prediction. I think we can take 738 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: back the house. I think we can do that, not 739 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: only because of Donald Trump, but a lot has to 740 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,919 Speaker 1: do with him. And I think now for people who 741 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: had sold, sold, solid sold on the Democrats and the party, 742 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: that they see a big difference now, the big difference. 743 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: Like you know how some people say are it's no 744 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,400 Speaker 1: difference between Democrats and Republicans, they are all politics and 745 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: not saying that. Now, Uh, they see that there's a 746 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: big difference, and I think that's helping a lot. I 747 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: think people are inspired. But you know, when you uh 748 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: think about the women, the women's movement and what's happening 749 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: with racism that now people stand up against as as 750 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: you saw in Alabama when you took a look at 751 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,080 Speaker 1: those two candidates and how there's no way that a 752 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: Democrat could have been elected to that Senate seat, but 753 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: a Democrat was elected to that Senate seat, because not 754 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: only are people not fearful and intimidated anymore, they inspire it. 755 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: They know that there's a difference now and I'm glad 756 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: that the young people are saying it, because if you 757 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: haven't had the experience of racism upfront, if you have 758 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: not been denied, if you've not have not been called 759 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,280 Speaker 1: the N word, if you've not been told you couldn't 760 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: eat at a counter, you don't really get what these 761 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: people are talking about. I mean, they don't really understand that, 762 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: but I think now they get it. Well. Maxine Waters, 763 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 1: thank you so much again for coming to visit us 764 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,720 Speaker 1: after church here in Los Angeles, and it's been really 765 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: fun to watch you in action, especially in the last 766 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: year or so. And uh, we'd love to have you 767 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: back on because one thing is certain, we'll have plenty 768 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: to talk about even in two weeks time, so maybe 769 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: you'll come back down the road is the all our 770 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: investigation continues, and have talked to us about that. I'll 771 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: be happy to I try to keep the discussion going. 772 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: I think that's so important. And thank you for keeping 773 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: it going. Thank you for having me. He appreciate it. 774 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: That wraps up this week show. The Invisible Studios in 775 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,760 Speaker 1: Los Angeles helped us out this morning on a Sunday morning, 776 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: no less, so thank you to them. Add to our 777 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: producer Gianna Palmer, who joined us in l A for 778 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: this one. A little bit of a boon doggo, but 779 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: we're glad she's here. Really selfless of you, Gianna, to 780 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: abandoned snow in New York for l A to do 781 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,240 Speaker 1: this one with us. Anyway. Jared O'Connell, back in the cold, 782 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: mixed this episode. Thank you to him. To our assistant 783 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,759 Speaker 1: producer Nora Richie as always, and to Emily being a 784 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: over at Katie Current Media, My great assistant Beth Demas. 785 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how I would live without her. Moves Mountains, 786 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: Alison Bresnik brings all things social media in for a 787 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 1: smooth landing. Mark Phillips wrote our theme music, and Katie 788 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: Kurriic and I are the executive producers of this show. 789 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: So our wonder Women's series keeps on rolling. Next week, 790 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you then from Sonny, Los Angeles. Bye bye, 791 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 1: bye bye