1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: and courtse creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: episode is airing in July of twenty twenty five. I 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: am going to be interviewing Kristin Holmes, who is a 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: senior White House correspondent for CNN. She just had her 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: second child in January of twenty twenty five, which means 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: she has spent most of the presidential campaign last year 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: into his on their road covering that pregnant. And that's 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: obviously an interesting angle of combining work in life. People 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: often talk a lot about combining parenthood and work, but 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: combining pregnancy work is its own special version of this, 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: particularly if you have a fairly intense job with irregular 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: hours or a lot of travel or things like this. 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: I mean, so Sarah, you're in a traditional job during 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: your pregnancies, you have strategies that helped you with managing this. 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, pregnancies vary, right, and I definitely think 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: the kind of pregnancy you have is greatly going to 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: impact how much you have to adjust your work or 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: how much is going to impact you. I really only 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: had bad first trimesters. And as I say bad, I 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: mean I think I vomited like once each pregnancy, So 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: not that bad, and that's really really lucky. So for me, 32 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: I didn't really have to do very much. There was 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: so much more I had to I mean the postpartum 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: and the pumping phase that I could do a whole 35 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: episode on how incredibly hard it was and the things 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: I did to get through and how stressful and everything. 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: But the pregnancy time itself, I didn't really make any 38 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: specific concessions that I remember. And in fact, even during 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: like the nausea months, I was like, ooh, distraction, Like 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: the more I focus on something else that's not my nausea, like, 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: the better off I actually am. Even though I might 42 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: feel like I'm dragging myself through the day sitting on 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: the couch wasn't any more pleasant. 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: But again, I've. 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: Had residents that have had complicated pregnancies. Some people have 46 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: a ton of pain with their break So this is 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: all your mileage may vary. 48 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: I do have fond. 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: Memories of leading a tour group of residents when I 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: was thirty nine weeks and two days pregnant and being 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: like anything could happen today, And like when I've spoken 52 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: to those people years down the road, they remember it 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: kind of fondly as well. 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: So there can be bright spot. 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, remembering back to my last one, which was 56 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. At this point, but I was doing 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: a lot of speaking. This was right before COVID. We 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: didn't know that COVID was coming. But in twenty nineteen 59 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: happened to be a very speaking heavy year, which was 60 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: also when I was pregnant with him, so I was 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: doing a lot of traveling. I remember one May speech 62 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: when I was like newly pregnant or just found out, 63 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: I mean, almost fainting on my way up to the stage. 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: It was a hot day in New York City. I 65 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: was woozy, woozy, woozy, and it was not good, but 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: I did it. I remember eating a lot of cinnabon 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: in airports like I was. That was something that didn't 68 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: turn my stomach, and so I was like, I'm going 69 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: to eat a lot of cinnabon. I not nutritious necessarily, 70 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: but if you can keep it down and not feel 71 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: like it's terrible. I also remember lying in hotel bedrooms 72 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: watching TV, like being very, very tired at the end 73 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: of the day because you sort of manage your energy 74 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: to do what you have to do and then just 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: kind of collapse at the end of it. I was like, Okay, 76 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: I could just watch the NBA playoffs. I can watch 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: the home renovation shows here lying on my bed and 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: then getting in the aisle seat on the plane. I 79 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: remember once I for some reason, did not have an 80 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 2: aisle seat. I had a window seat, and I was terrible. 81 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: I had to get up multiple times in the course 82 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: of this flight. The people were very understanding, or one 83 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: person next to me. It was one person next men. 84 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: He's very understanding. He'd like kept being like, oh yeah, yeah, 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: he would like hop up every time I got up, 86 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: even though there's enough space for me to get past, 87 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: you know. 88 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 3: But it was a yeah, that's what it was. Easier 89 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: to be visibly pregnant because you're last. Please feel bad 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 3: for me. 91 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: Feel bad for me. Cinnabon's interesting for me. 92 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: It was like salty, like ramen and chips, And yeah, 93 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: I do think you should honor whatever it is because 94 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: whatever it is probably a reason. 95 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: Maybe or just I mean, cinnabons are good. So there's 96 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: that too. You need a little reward for getting yourself 97 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: through the day. All right, Well, we'll hear what Chris 98 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: Holmes has to say. So Sarah and I are excited 99 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: to have Kristen Holmes with us today. So Kristin, welcome 100 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: to the show. 101 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here. 102 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we are excited to have you as well. So 103 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself. 104 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: I am the senior White House correspondent at CNN, and 105 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: I am the mother of two. We have a three 106 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 4: and a half year old boy and a five month old, 107 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 4: almost five month old little girl. 108 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: Awesome. So she was born in what January? 109 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: Maybe is that one January fourteenth? 110 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: Exactly? Are you back at work now? Are you back 111 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: from eternity? 112 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 4: Least? I've been back about a month, so still getting 113 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: my sea legs, even though a month seems like a 114 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 4: lot of time, but it's definitely not. 115 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: No, of course, of course, And so maybe you could 116 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about your career and how you 117 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: got started into this. So what drew you to journalism. 118 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: Maybe I saw you did the official Northwestern and Columbia 119 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: combo for school, right. 120 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I really did know what I wanted to 121 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: do from it early. 122 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't seem like that if you look 123 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: just at my resume, but I wasn't sure. And my 124 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 4: mom had been a journalist, and she kind of put 125 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 4: the idea in my head that I was really good 126 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: at speech and debate and I could turn that into 127 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 4: a career in some way, and we started looking at 128 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 4: broadcast TV. And I actually spent two years after college 129 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 4: going and doing Teacher. 130 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: For America in Chicago. 131 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: So that was part of the reason I went back 132 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 4: to school, was because I knew if you wanted like 133 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: an entry level job, some of these jobs you really 134 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: needed connections to get and I felt like the best 135 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 4: way to do that was actually going down to a 136 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 4: journalism school and meeting people who were coming adjunct professors 137 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 4: and various people. And that's actually how I got the 138 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 4: job at CNN. I met at the time the executive 139 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 4: producer of Peers Morgan's show in an elevator. He was 140 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 4: with his son, who was adorable, and I just started 141 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 4: talking to his son. 142 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: I had no idea who he was. 143 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: He was there for a career fair, but I hadn't 144 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: spoken to him, and by the end of the elevator ride, 145 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 4: he asked me if I had any interest in interning 146 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: for the show, and I said yes, and that turned 147 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: into me starting at an entry level position producing in 148 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: New York for Piers Morgan. And I just really wanted 149 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: to get down to DC and I didn't know what 150 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: to do. And I'm not really a risky person, like 151 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: I don't take a lot of leaps. 152 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: I married someone. 153 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 4: Who takes a lot of leaps, so I feel like 154 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 4: it balances out, but I do not. So I didn't 155 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 4: have a formal job in DC at CNN, and I 156 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: met with the woman who's actually now running MSNBC, Rebecca Cutler, 157 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: and she was at CNN at the time. Just asked 158 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: her like what she thought I should do, and she 159 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: said to take the risk. 160 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: That it will all line up. 161 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: So I had like a very preliminary freelance booking offer 162 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 4: from CNN, and I just took it, and I decided 163 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: I would live with my parents for a little bit. 164 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: They had moved to DC. 165 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 4: I was raised in Oklahoma, but they had moved to 166 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: DC and I stayed with them. And then I really 167 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: wanted to transition to doing on air stuff and it's 168 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: obviously very difficult. 169 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: It was also a whole different world done. 170 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: I mean, now we do a lot of stuff where 171 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: we promote reporters who are print background and then put 172 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: them on TV. 173 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: That wasn't really happening at that time. 174 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: So I beg beg begged for a job at the 175 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: local affiliate here in DC, weekend cable access station. And 176 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: first they're like, we have nothing, and then I was like, 177 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: I will work literally any hours. And I was still 178 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: freelancing at CNN, and they were like, okay, well we 179 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 4: don't have someone at five am on Saturdays and Sundays. 180 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: So for roughly a year, at five. 181 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: Am, I would go into ABC seven, but it wasn't 182 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 4: even ABC seven, like it wasn't good enough to be 183 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 4: ABC seven. 184 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: It was like their cable access channel. 185 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 4: And I would take a camera out and I would 186 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: go to crime scenes and just kind of try to piece. 187 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: The story together. 188 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: And eventually I had this really awesome producer who there 189 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 4: who was like, you're not technically allowed to go live, 190 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: but we really need somebody, so why don't we just 191 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 4: like not tell anybody because no one's watching anyway, so 192 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: you can go. 193 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: And that really started everything. 194 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 4: So I was working seven days a week, half at CNN, 195 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: half there, and then CNN told me that they wanted 196 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: to eventually pursue possibly a career in broadcast, but if 197 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: to do so, they wanted me to go to the 198 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: White House and be a producer there, and that I 199 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: couldn't do any of the on air stuff anymore because 200 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: I had to be full time. So I did it, 201 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 4: and shortly after I went on the campaign in twenty sixteen, 202 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 4: and they CNN really followed through. I mean, I broke stories, 203 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: I was a producer, I was of the top correspondent Benjabacosta, 204 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 4: and I did kind of hits some one else wanted 205 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 4: to do on TV the weird hours the week, early mornings, 206 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 4: and that parlayed into the on air stuff where I 207 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: went to what we have affiliate program called News Source 208 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 4: that's really meant to like def up your on air skills, 209 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 4: and I got to cover really cool stuff, like I 210 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: went to Guam when there was the threat of a 211 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 4: nuclear attack from North Korea. I went to the Royal wedding, 212 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: Megan and Harry's wedding. I did a lot of like 213 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 4: very awesome stuff that I'm probably never going to do again. 214 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: I always say, like, this is the only person who 215 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: does that, like that many cool things with Anderson Cooper 216 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: so like, but it was really fun and now I am. 217 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 4: Since then, it's transitioned and I have absolutely loved it, 218 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 4: and I've loved covering politics and did the campaign the 219 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 4: last cycle and I covered Donald Trump and then they 220 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 4: made me the senior. 221 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 1: White House correspondent. 222 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: Amazing. Well, I want to back up a little bit 223 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: to this teach for America stint in here, because you 224 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: were middle school in Chicago. Is that what you were? 225 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: It was like middle school, elementary school in Chicago. 226 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm very curious if you learned any skills from 227 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: that that have been helpful in your life. 228 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: Now, I will tell you that there is no job 229 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: that I've ever done that was harder than that. 230 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: And I remember afterwards, I mean I cried a lot. 231 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: I cried a lot, and. 232 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: I didn't have any I mean, when I was twenty two, 233 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 4: I didn't have any experience other than babysitting. 234 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: I had some kids who were amazing and wonderful. 235 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 4: But also very difficult, like behaviorally, and I didn't have 236 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: a lot of experience with that. But the one thing 237 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 4: that I learned from that job that has really taken 238 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: me through the rest of my life is patience. And 239 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 4: I think that I did not have an extraordinary amount 240 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: of patience. My parents didn't really have an extraordinary amount 241 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 4: of patience when I was growing up and everything was. 242 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: Supposed to be go, go go. 243 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 4: And I still remember like the moment that I kind 244 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 4: of like changed in my head and I was with 245 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 4: these kids that we were in thirteen fifth graders and 246 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 4: they didn't know how to tell time. And I was 247 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: staying after school every day with these kids to tutor 248 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 4: them because they're super behind in a bunch of different things. 249 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 4: But all of a sudden, I realized they didn't understand clocks. 250 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 4: And we sat there one day for like three hours 251 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 4: and it just wasn't getting through. And I just remember 252 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 4: being like, Okay, let's try it again, and it was 253 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 4: just like this moment of like there is nothing I 254 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: can do in the second to change what is going 255 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: on other than to keep trying. And I can't get 256 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 4: mad because it's no one's fault and I just need 257 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: to come up with a new strategy to try and 258 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: make this work for these kids. And I did, and 259 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 4: I just kept at it, and it was like this 260 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: kind of bulb switched off in my head that was 261 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: like there's no other option but to be patient. And 262 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: that has just carried through because it's just we live 263 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 4: these lives that are so high stress, high intensity, and 264 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: you sometimes just have to take a moment and be like, Okay, 265 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 4: we got to be patient. 266 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: We got to see what the future holds. 267 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 4: Maybe this is not where we really want to be 268 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: right now, but like, you got to be patient. And 269 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 4: that was the skill set, the greatest skill set I 270 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 4: took away from that experience absolutely. 271 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: All Right, Well, we're going to take a quick ad 272 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: break and then I'll be back with more from Kristen Holmes. Well, 273 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: I am back talking with Kristin Holmes, who is the 274 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: senior White House correspondent for CNN. So, Kristin, we have 275 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people who listen to the show who 276 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: are professional women who are raising young kids. I'm getting 277 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: very much the sense that being a on air correspondent 278 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: is not exactly a nine to five sort of Monday 279 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: through Friday kind of job, which we're going to get 280 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: to doing that job while during your second pregnancy here, 281 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: but you also have a three year old, so you 282 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: were doing all this. You've been doing this job with 283 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: a young child. You said your husband is also I 284 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: believe at CNN, so he probably doesn't have normal hours either. 285 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: He's actually at. 286 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 4: The fire department now he is the chief Yes, he's 287 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 4: a chief communications officer for the firearms, so he was. 288 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: He was primarily, but he has moved to a different 289 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: job now. But still none of this is. 290 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: Like straight regular hours. 291 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: So how have you guys managed that? Like the logistics 292 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: of child Karen, who's with your son, Like, well, you're 293 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: out doing random hours and he is as well. 294 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 4: So this has been like an ongoing evolution and we're 295 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 4: still not there. I mean, I feel like I had 296 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 4: this realization now with two that this is going to 297 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 4: continue to be the evolution of our lives, Like we're 298 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 4: never going to have anything that is like a routine 299 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: for quite some time, maybe when they're a little older, 300 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: but definitely not for the next couple of years. So 301 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: what we have decided to do, and this was my 302 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: husband's idea after I've been on the campaign trail for 303 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: basically a year traveling and he was spent a lot 304 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 4: of time alone as solo parenting, which I am grateful 305 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: to him every second. Four so they know it wasn't 306 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 4: easy that you would get a no pair and it 307 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: has changed our lives. 308 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: She's not even our primary childcare, but she is a 309 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: We kind of. 310 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 4: View her as a mommy's helper, but also she is 311 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: literally like a sibling to our kids. It has made 312 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 4: me feel like I can pay attention to both of 313 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: my kids and do my job. I feel like it 314 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: has been a game changer for us in terms of 315 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: being able to still pay attention to our three and 316 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 4: a half year old, who is very demanding, who is 317 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 4: just learning and growing every second and I don't want 318 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: to miss a thing, but also not feel like I've 319 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: abandoned my newborn, which I know is a common feeling 320 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 4: that we have as women because there's so much focus 321 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: on your older kid and it's like, am. 322 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: I doing enough? 323 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: And so for us, this has been the solution, and 324 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: right now it's working again. I don't know what works forever, 325 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 4: but at this point it took a long time to 326 00:15:59,200 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: get here. 327 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: But having her kind. 328 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 4: Of be able to hold a baby while the baby's 329 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 4: still in the room when I can be home, or 330 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: also be able to run off and take a call 331 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 4: when I need to and not feel like my kids 332 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: are just sitting there, and I'm anxious that for us 333 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: has been the way that we've really figured out how 334 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 4: to manage this and it's been a positive solution. 335 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 336 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean we often talk on the show about 337 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: layering childcare, so I assume me you have something like 338 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: daycare or primary nanny, like for normal we do business hours. 339 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, her normal business as we have a primary nanny 340 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: and my son goes to a school, and with my 341 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 4: new hours at work, I am trying to take him 342 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 4: to camp this summer, but then school so that I 343 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: can work until eight pm. And because generally now I'm 344 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 4: not leaving the White House until eight pm, which means 345 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 4: I generally am going to miss the baby, which was 346 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 4: a hard realization, but like I've mentally gotten there, but 347 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: it took some time before she goes to bed, but 348 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: I will get that's I'm with my son. So we 349 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 4: have the primary nanny who will be with the baby 350 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 4: during the day as well as my son goes to 351 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 4: school camp, and then for the off hours in the 352 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: evening and the weekends we have and no pair. 353 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: Excellent. Well that's what you have to do. And it's 354 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: like when people often start on their parenting journey, they 355 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: think like, okay, well one should work, but if you 356 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: have either parent working different hours, then you need more 357 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: than one layer. 358 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: It was impossible for us, and really, honestly, I had 359 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 4: a conversation with CNN and with my husband and when 360 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 4: they offered me the job. They offer me the job 361 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: right after the campaign, and I said, in order to 362 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: be able to do this job the way that you're 363 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: going to want me to do it the way that 364 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 4: I want to do it, and be good at it 365 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 4: and enjoy it but also enjoy my children, like these 366 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: are the things that I'm going to have to do. 367 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 4: So when I put in my asks for you, I 368 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 4: need you to understand that it's coming from a place 369 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: of not living any kind of lavish lifestyle or anything 370 00:17:59,320 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 4: like that. 371 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: I am literally looking. 372 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 4: At this and thinking, how can my husband and I 373 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 4: make this work and raise two kids and let me 374 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 4: be good at my job. And that was the plan 375 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 4: and how we came up with it, and I felt 376 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: like I went to work with it and I said 377 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 4: this is what I'm I need and they were receptive. 378 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's it's kind of job where Yeah, I mean, 379 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: you say you're working till eight pm, but it's not 380 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: like you know that the news will be done by 381 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: eight pm, like coming out of the White House, and 382 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: what we could see, it could happen any hour of 383 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: the day with this. 384 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: Particular calls to be made. 385 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 4: I might not be physically there, but I mean over 386 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 4: the weekend, we were at an event and the National 387 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 4: Guard was brought into California and that required me to 388 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 4: make a series of phone calls that I was with 389 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 4: my kids and I had to step away. 390 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: And that this whole. 391 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 4: Environment that we've created is the only way that I 392 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: can do that without putting all of the burden on 393 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: my husband all the time, who also has a full 394 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 4: time job, which is hard. 395 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeaholute No, that's what we talk about on this show 396 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: all the time. 397 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 398 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: And so you have a young baby now who's born 399 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: in January, and so a lot of people saw you 400 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: covering the presidential campaign over the last year. When did 401 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 2: you find out you were expecting a kid? Number two? 402 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 4: There March March of twenty twenty four, and I actually 403 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: did not tell anyone for quite some time. 404 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: It was easier to. 405 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 4: Do because I was on the road so much that 406 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 4: like no one was looking at me, but I had 407 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 4: this was really my dream job before I got the 408 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 4: White House. Covering the campaign was my dream job. And 409 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 4: you know, as a woman who got pregnant and was 410 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 4: going to deliver in January right after the election, I 411 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: was concerned that. 412 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: It might impact something, even just to put it out 413 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: there that I was pregnant. 414 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: And I really was worried about that because again, like 415 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 4: I worked for this job, like it really was like 416 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: one of the greatest things I've ever done in my 417 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: whole life, but it was also probably the hardest thing 418 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 4: I've ever done. 419 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 2: Well, I'm curious, what was your concern that people be like, well, 420 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: we don't want to see someone pregnant on the era 421 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: that you're gonna be do you know? It was danger 422 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 2: from anything. 423 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: It was a timeline issue. 424 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 4: It was a time show, so it was like, so okay, 425 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 4: So for example, I gave birth a week My initial 426 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 4: due date was inauguration day, twenty twenty five. 427 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: So like it's Trump won, which we didn't know in 428 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: March what was gonna happen. 429 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 4: But if he won, even if he didn't, what if 430 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: I wanted to cover the inauguration. 431 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: What if they thought of me that way, or what. 432 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 4: If for some reason they thought, well, she's not gonna 433 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 4: be able to travel after a certain time, so we 434 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 4: should just scheduling early. By the way, they were wonderful 435 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 4: when I told them they were wonderful. It was fine, 436 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 4: and there was none of all that was put to 437 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 4: the side. But in my mind, my concern was I 438 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 4: just to make it through November, right, And if they 439 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 4: think I can't make it through there because I'm too 440 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 4: pregnant to go on the road or I'm too pregnant 441 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 4: to keep doing this job and I might needed to 442 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 4: be home, that might impact even the way they subconsciously 443 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 4: think about me, And so I just that was my concern, 444 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: was that I just wanted to wait as long as 445 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: possible to where it was like, Okay, there's not really 446 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 4: any at that point. 447 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: There was no way to like change the dynamics. 448 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you already knew that Kristin was on the air covering, 449 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: so we're going to see Kristin through it to the end. 450 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 451 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about you, but pregnancy for me 452 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: has never been a high energy time, So I'm curious 453 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: how you managed your schedule of flying around seeing the 454 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: various candidate events. I mean, it's presidential campaigns are grueling, 455 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: not only for the people who are doing them, but 456 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: obviously the people who are covering them too. 457 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: I truly don't know. 458 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 4: I look back on that time and I feel like 459 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 4: I was two different people. I feel like I was 460 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 4: the Kristin that was covering the campaign and also the 461 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 4: Kristin was pregnant with her second child. I compartmentalize, which 462 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's healthy or not, but I did, 463 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: and it was the. 464 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: Only way that I could get through it. 465 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 4: When I stopped traveling the month before after the election, 466 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 4: but the month before she was born, it was like 467 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 4: my body just shut down. It was like I couldn't 468 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 4: I stopped being able to get up in the morning, 469 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 4: and I started like it was like I had taken 470 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 4: nine months of exhaustion and just powered through it. And 471 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 4: it just hit me like the second that I couldn't 472 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 4: get on a plane anymore. And I remember saying that 473 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 4: to my bosses and just saying like, I'm just so tired, 474 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: and they were like, you've been going one hundred miles 475 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: per hour for the last nine months. 476 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: Of course you're tired. 477 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: But I think that there was a part of me 478 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 4: that was like I promised my husband that at the 479 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 4: end of the campaign, I knew it was going to 480 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 4: be a really hardier that we would assess what my 481 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 4: next job was, no matter what they offered me, and 482 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: that I was not going to openly take any job 483 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 4: without a full blown discussion about childcare and our. 484 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: Lives and all of that. So for me, it was 485 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: like the end of this is the election. 486 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 4: It is or the inauguration and this baby being born, 487 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 4: because after that is a question mark still until we 488 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 4: see what the layout looks like and until we have 489 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 4: this conversation. 490 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: So it was like I was able to just like look. 491 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: At this timeframe and be like this, I have to 492 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: get through this. But like I said, like I toltally, 493 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 4: like the month before she was born, I was like 494 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 4: a wreck. 495 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: I was sure done. I was done. I was done. 496 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: I was going about at like seven o'clock. 497 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: I was like, it was like, all right, well, We're 498 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: gonna take one more quick ad break and I'll be 499 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: back with more from Kristen Holmes. Well, I am back 500 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: talking with Kristin Holmes, senior White House correspondent for CNN, 501 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: who has been talking about having a three year old 502 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: and also being pregnant on the campaign trail this last year. 503 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: But I've said, one of the things you have mentioned 504 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: is that you can't wait to tell your daughter about 505 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: some of the experiences you had to gather. I guess 506 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: because she was, of course with you the whole time 507 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: on the campag troot. I wonder if you have a 508 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 2: highlight or two that you can share with us. 509 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 4: So I had this amazing producer on the campaign trail 510 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 4: who started with me right before I got pregnant, and 511 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 4: I always say that like she's part of the reason 512 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: that my daughter is still alive, like because she took 513 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 4: such good care of me, and like obviously, as you know, 514 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 4: it takes a village. And so we took photos of 515 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 4: me at like every stage of pregnancy in different places, 516 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 4: and the really fun one for us was in California. 517 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: Trump went to go do a press conference, and it. 518 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 4: Was the first time I was showing and we still 519 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 4: it was still like our secret the two of us. 520 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 4: I'm obviously my husband, but on the road from work, 521 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 4: and it just as this moment where we took all 522 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,239 Speaker 4: these pictures of me like pregnant. I felt pregnant for 523 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 4: the first time, and we were kind of embracing it 524 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 4: because so much of it had been like go go, go, 525 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 4: go go, and we a little photo shoot and it 526 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 4: just was such a fun moment. And then I think 527 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: it was really cool on election night when we were 528 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 4: down there and just that we'd made it on like 529 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 4: she and I, my daughter and I had made it 530 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 4: on this journey, and that we were there standing there 531 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 4: waiting for the results and it was still like what's 532 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 4: going to happen tonight, but it was like that was 533 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 4: the finish line, and I just like we took pictures 534 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 4: there of me standing there and it was just, I 535 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 4: don't know, it was a really cool experience to be like, girl, 536 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 4: we made it together, Like here we are, it's the end, 537 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 4: Like we crossed the finish line. 538 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: And those are probably the two biggest experiences. 539 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just saying, it was funny, you're really 540 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: you're getting yourself to election day. There was at the 541 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 2: time some discussion like whether it would go on for 542 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: a long time, but it turned out it was quick. 543 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: It was that night. 544 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yes, so and that was that was actually 545 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: great in the sense that we just we knew what 546 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 4: would happened, and then it was time to move. 547 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 2: It was time to move on exactly. So how are 548 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: you or organizing things down newly back from maternity leave. 549 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: I know that's a big adjustment for people as well. 550 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm not You're not, okay, Yeah, I'm not. I bought 551 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: a planner. I was actually looking at it before I 552 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: came in here. 553 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: How's the planner working for you? 554 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 4: It's in the box, Okay, I'm taking out today. 555 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: Okay. 556 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 4: My biggest issue that I've had, I had the same 557 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 4: problem with my son, is that I do not have my. 558 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: Full I still a foggy brain. 559 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 4: Yeah and so, and I know this happens to everybody, 560 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 4: and I feel like, look, it'll come back in some sense, 561 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 4: maybe not fully, but I'll be able to remember things 562 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 4: in a way that I can't right now. And so 563 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 4: being organized is not really I need to figure out 564 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 4: a system for that. 565 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: And I think the planner will help. 566 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 4: But also we keep a calendar, a skylight calendar, and 567 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 4: that has been the most amazing thing we've ever done. 568 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 4: It's in our kitchen on the side, and that at 569 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 4: least like keeps us kind of vigilant and also aware 570 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 4: of what's going on, because neither my husband and I 571 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 4: are organized people. Just to be clear, we're that's not 572 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 4: our specialty, and so that has really helped as well. 573 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 4: I think the other thing I think about a lot, 574 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 4: and I'm sure every mom does, is you know how 575 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 4: I'm going to balance when my baby is not just 576 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 4: a baby right like, right now, our lives are about 577 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 4: our son, and the baby is someone we bring with 578 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 4: us to what our son is doing. And I spend 579 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 4: a lot of time thinking about how like best practices 580 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 4: and I still don't know the answer obviously, but of 581 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 4: how I can make sure that I figure out how 582 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 4: to live for two people and two different events and 583 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 4: all the stuff. 584 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: Right now. It's it. It felt like. 585 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: We finally got a handle on it with the three 586 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 4: year old, and now it's like that's just gone, like 587 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 4: we're starting we're starting over now. So it's yeah, So 588 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 4: the like long story long is that I don't have 589 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 4: a way to organize other than the Skylight calendar. 590 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: And now I'll let you know how the planner goes. 591 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: I hope it's a good planners behind this. Yeah, that's 592 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: the one perfect planner. 593 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: It's going to change everything exactly. 594 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: But we also do. But you know, it's honestly the 595 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: thing like, if you have more than one kid, you're 596 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 2: juggling between the two of them constantly anyway, And there's 597 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: this whole narrative about like, oh, well, work is on 598 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: the opposite side of kids, and I'm juggling that. But 599 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: it's like often the kids themselves. It's requiring you to 600 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: split the attention. 601 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And I do want to say, is the 602 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 4: one thing about like the work versus kids? 603 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: And I think this is something that. 604 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 4: I feel like the younger generation is starting to do 605 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 4: and I'm trying to embrace this too, and I've tried 606 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 4: to with my son and now my daughter. 607 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: Is this idea that like. 608 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 4: It's okay to be a working mom. And I feel 609 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 4: like for my mom's generation, it was like, you don't 610 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: want to talk about the fact that you have kids, 611 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 4: because if you talk about the fact that you've kids. 612 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: And people see you differently. And I'm of the mind 613 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: that none of us can. 614 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 4: Actually do this without bringing up the fact that we 615 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 4: have kids. So if it means that I'm working until 616 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 4: nine pm, that might mean that my husband brings my 617 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 4: son to the office and we spend an hour together 618 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: and order dinner and sit there, and then he goes 619 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 4: home and goes to bed. And I don't really want 620 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 4: to live in a world in which I'm embarrassed or 621 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 4: nervous about that hour somehow impacting the way that other 622 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: people view me and my work product, because my work 623 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: product is really great and I'm trying to keep it going. 624 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: And so I really feel like we this generation need 625 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 4: to keep doing that for the younger women as well, 626 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 4: to be like, it's okay to have kids, It's okay 627 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 4: that your life is divided. It doesn't mean you're any 628 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,959 Speaker 4: like any worse at your job or doesn't mean that, 629 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: oh my god. 630 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: It just means you have a full life. 631 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 4: And I just feel like it was really hard for 632 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: at least like in my mom's dinners. 633 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean, she even has said stuff to me. Well, 634 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: She's like, well, don't bring up the kids factor, and 635 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: it's like, but that is the factor. That's my whole thing. 636 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 4: Like I'm a mom and I want to be a mom, 637 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 4: and I want it to be a mom and so 638 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: if I'm gonna do that, then like everybody should know 639 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: that that's what I'm doing as well as doing my job. 640 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely well, that's what we're we're all about here. Gant 641 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: aimen to that, well, Christ we always end with a 642 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: love of the week. You're saying your planner made me 643 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: think of my custom plumb planner. I love it. I 644 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,479 Speaker 2: love it. I have like a planner stack. My co 645 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: host is massively into planners, by the way. But it 646 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: was a tie between that and Sweethearts, because I like 647 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: so love Sweethearts and I got a box that's amazing 648 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: and I'm just so happy to be snacking on that. 649 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: But what are you really enjoying this week? What's your 650 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: love of the week. 651 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: We started solas this week, Oh excitly, And I got 652 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 4: to tell you that I did something that I'd never 653 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 4: done with my son, which does I need food for 654 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 4: like from scratch for the baby, which made me feel. 655 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: Like I was super mom. By the way, You're like. 656 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: Pioneer woman here. 657 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: Exactly know. 658 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 4: I was like in net shurning the butter No, and 659 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 4: so I think my love this week is just like 660 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 4: reliving that moment of because like we're so far beyond 661 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 4: it now with our three year old of what it's 662 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 4: like for her try things for the first time. 663 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: And then obviously I'm hoping that my love of the 664 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: week will be my planner once I take it out 665 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: of the box and bring it to work today. That's 666 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: my second thing that will change my life completely. 667 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: It'll change your life absolutely, the little notebook that's going 668 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: to change our lives exactly. What iful. Well, Kristin, thank 669 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. 670 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. I really appreciate it. It was really fun. 671 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: All right, Well we are back. I was interviewing Kristin 672 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: Holmes from CNN about combining work and life. So this 673 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 2: week's question also comes from a listener who is This 674 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: is a common question we get about family spacing, but 675 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: this person says, I'm hoping to have another kid, but 676 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: probably won't be for another year or two due to 677 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: family circumstances. Are there any particular challenges or upsides to 678 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: having kids further apart like four or more years? What 679 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: would you say, Sarah. 680 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 3: Yeah hhmm, this is a hot take. Maybe I think 681 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: it's generally easier if they're closer, if you're like ready 682 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 3: to have another one. And that's a big if, because 683 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 3: I will say, once you get past the like tyler 684 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: baby stage, and that's like a big don't discount that 685 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 3: because that part's really hard. It's easier when they share 686 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 3: more common activities, friends, they're at the same school for longer, 687 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: et cetera. So for us, like I was ready to 688 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: have another one pretty quickly. I mean, we didn't really 689 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 3: plan Cameron's timing, but I wasn't against it at all either, 690 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: So it was like, great, this, this is so convenient. 691 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: But there's no way I was ready to have a third. 692 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: So even if it might. 693 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: Have been nicer later on, and I'm sure it would 694 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: have been if they for example, if we had kept 695 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: the pattern of two years and Genevieve was in i 696 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 3: don't know, finishing third grade this year instead of first grade, 697 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: certain things might have been a little bit easier. But 698 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: it just we weren't there. So you just got to 699 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: do what works for you. And I don't know that 700 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: you can plan ahead because you don't know how it's 701 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 3: going to feel in your household to have kids of 702 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: different ages. 703 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say you can talk yourself into anything. 704 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: I think. 705 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: I think for health reasons probably you don't want to 706 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: have them too close together, but especially if you start 707 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: your family on the earlier side, there's absolutely no reason 708 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: you couldn't like string it out for longer. And I mean, 709 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: I've found having Henry at five easier than having some 710 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: of my other children be five, partly because I have 711 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: so many older kids and so there's more close to 712 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: adult people around the house to help with him. They 713 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 2: can drive in one case, I have three built in babysitters. 714 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: It's just I kind of like having that bigger gap. 715 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: But I don't know if I would have starting like 716 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: age twenty seven, Laura saying this is the ideal time 717 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: for me to have my kids over the next fourteen years. Like, no, 718 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: I don't know that you can really even think about it. 719 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: So if it works for you to have a bigger 720 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: gap between your kids, like great, you're gonna love having 721 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: a bigger gap between your kids. And you're gonna love 722 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: having a big kid who doesn't view the baby so 723 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: much as a rival but as like some cool, like 724 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: almost pet like thing that has been added to the family. 725 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: Whereas a two year old might be trying to hit 726 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 2: the baby because it's like viewed as totally just a 727 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: bad thing that happened. 728 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 3: No, you're right, that's a good point. I didn't really 729 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 3: think about those sibling relationships. But again, that can go 730 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 3: both ways because sometimes siblings are so happy to be 731 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: so close in age and oh if I didn't really 732 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 3: get to know my sister because they were a decade 733 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: old or whatever. But like same, they also could fight 734 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: when they're close and like love being the little mascot. 735 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 3: So maybe just let it happen how it happens, and 736 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 3: not overthink it too much. 737 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't overthink it if the timing that is good 738 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: for your family, because you know right now is a 739 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: really bad time, Like in a couple of years will 740 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: be a better than great. 741 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 742 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 2: You'll have a wonderful family dynamic whatever it happens to be. 743 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: All right, Well, this has been best of both worlds. 744 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: I have been talking with Kristen Holmes from CNN. We 745 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 2: will be back next week with more on making work 746 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 2: in life fit together. 747 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 748 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore shoebox on Instagram 749 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 3: and you. 750 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 751 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 752 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life 753 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: work together