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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome to another edition of W. Kamau Bell's podcast,

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Speaker 1: Who's With Me? I'm your host, W. Kamau Bell, until

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Speaker 1: I'm replaced. Maybe by Roy Wood Jr. Anyway, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast this week. This is episode 15 of Who's

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Speaker 1: With Me? Today the guest is Shannon Lee. Shannon Lee

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Speaker 1: is actually a friend of mine. Often I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't really know this person that well. Shannon I know

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Speaker 1: pretty well. Shannon Lee, as you may or may not know,

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Speaker 1: is most known for being the daughter of martial arts

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Speaker 1: icon and international icon and just general icon, Bruce Lee.

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Speaker 1: She's also known as the sister of Brandon Lee, who's

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Speaker 1: an icon in his own right. And we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about both her dad and her brother, both of whom

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Speaker 1: she is in charge of their legacies. And she takes

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Speaker 1: it very seriously. I think you're gonna really see in

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Speaker 1: this episode that Shannon Lee is really Bruce Lee's daughter.

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Speaker 1: Like you're gonna see some of the things In Shannon's eye,

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Speaker 1: when she gets fired up, it's like, there's the Bruce Lee.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she is Bruce Lee's daughter. There's no debate.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying it's definitely in the DNA. And I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to know Shannon. I've known Shannon for several years now.

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Speaker 1: Grew up as a Bruce Lee fan as a kid.

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Speaker 1: Never thought I'd be friends with his daughter. You know,

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Speaker 1: she's just a great person. And she's really fired up

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Speaker 1: about doing the right things for his legacy. But also

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Speaker 1: wrestling with what other people will think if she does

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Speaker 1: certain things for Bruce Lee's legacy. And she has some

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Speaker 1: questions about Brandon Lee's legacy, which, again, I'll let her

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Speaker 1: talk about. We'll talk about that later. But also stand-up

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Speaker 1: dates and another date. So Stanford, Connecticut, Stanford, Connecticut, September

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Speaker 1: 25th and 26th. Stanford University, October 1st. Bellingham, Washington, February

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Speaker 1: 20th of next year. Go to my website, wkamaubell.com, W-K-A-M-A-U-B-E-L-L-D-O-T-C-O-M

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Speaker 1: for those tickets. And then also this Thursday, August 27th,

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Speaker 1: if you're watching this at the right time, At 4 p.m.

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Speaker 1: Pacific Standard Time, 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a virtual event with my friend Adam Mansbach for our

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Speaker 1: new children's book, Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese. It's a picture book,

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Speaker 1: so it's for young kids. And the book stars my family,

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Speaker 1: but in cartoon form. So if you've ever seen Me

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Speaker 1: Saw My Family, you will see us in this children's book.

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Speaker 1: The illustrations are incredible. They're by an illustrator named Brianna Chambers.

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Speaker 1: The book comes out October 27th, but this Thursday, August 27th,

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Speaker 1: which happens to be International Rock, Paper, Scissors Day, me

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Speaker 1: and Adam are doing a live virtual event at Talk

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Speaker 1: Shop Live. Talk Shop Live. You can go to talkshop.live, talkshop.live,

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Speaker 1: and you can figure out how to watch us there.

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Speaker 1: It's a virtual event, so we'll be live. And you

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Speaker 1: can pre-order our book, and if you pre-order it for

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Speaker 1: that event, you'll get an autographed copy from me and Adam.

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Speaker 1: Adam is most famously known as being the author of

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Speaker 1: the book Go the Fuck to Sleep. So you've probably

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Speaker 1: heard that book, especially if you're a parent. heard of

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Speaker 1: that book. Most famously, that book was read by Samuel L.

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Speaker 1: Jackson in the audio form. He recently had a book

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Speaker 1: audio for this book was read by an actor named

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Speaker 1: Ted Danson, and I'm very proud to say that I

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Speaker 1: the podcast. He was with me, so we keep building

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Speaker 1: here and keep connecting. Yeah, so please, rock, paper, scissors, cheese.

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Speaker 1: You can pre-order the book now wherever you want to

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Speaker 1: pre-order your books, but also if you go to talkshop.live.com,

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Speaker 1: that book. So yeah, my first children's book that stars

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Speaker 1: go to our-hawaii.org. Our dash, not underscore, our-hawaii.org. Or on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you can go to OurHawaii808. So all one word, at OurHawaii, our, O-U-R, Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: 808 on Instagram. Find out how you can support Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: If you want to help people out in Memphis, I

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Speaker 1: go to local Memphis activist and public organizer, Amber Sherman.

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Speaker 1: You can find her on Instagram at A is for Afro,

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Speaker 1: just exactly the sound, the letter A, A-I-S-F-O-R. A-F-R-O. Did

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Speaker 1: her Venmo. We talk about mutual aid on this show.

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Speaker 1: trusted resource vetted through Elizabeth Booker Houston, who I trust,

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Speaker 1: the people who need it. They're raising money there for food, obviously, supplies, generators,

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Speaker 1: tornado monsoon. XAI has a big data center there, which

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Speaker 1: your favorite history teacher on Instagram, Chester Gregory at Chester

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Speaker 1: C-H-E-S-T-E-R-G-R-E-G-O-R-Y on Instagram. But one of the ways you can

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Speaker 1: do is donate to Flourish, the Flourish Church. So it's Flourish, F-L-O-U-R-I-S-H, Church, C-H-U-R-C-H, N-W-I,

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Speaker 1: know if you've read. But our government is trash. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: win the doofus award of the week. Royce white. Who's

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Speaker 1: is a friend of mine. She is best known for

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Speaker 1: Shannon is also the CEO of Bruce Lee Enterprises, which

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for watching an episode of Who's With Me.

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Speaker 3: We're going, I assume, because.

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Speaker 1: They always start.

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Speaker 4: We've already started.

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Speaker 1: That's how they do it. Look at this.

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Speaker 4: It's just going.

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Speaker 1: It's always be rolling. Always be contenting. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: Shannon Lee, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, every episode of this podcast starts

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I just really... appreciate and admire how you

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Speaker 1: And I can't, at some point I realized she had

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Speaker 4: That's not what it means to be like Bruce Lee.

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Speaker 4: Like you are responsible and you aren't hurling your inner

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Speaker 4: you know? And cultivating it and expressing it and sharing it.

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Speaker 4: Like that's what it means to be like Bruce Lee,

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Speaker 4: It's about self-actualization. You know, I mean, they did the quotes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Yes, very good. Very good. You know, and

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Speaker 1: And look, don't look to other people to do their

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Speaker 4: Well, this is connected to the Quentin Tarantino movie, Once

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Speaker 4: benefit to wrath. That wrath comes from a place of protection.

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00:22:29,864 --> 00:22:30,544
Speaker 1: Protection.

420
00:22:33,674 --> 00:22:38,674
Speaker 4: That when you are wrathful as a Buddhist deity, because

421
00:22:38,694 --> 00:22:42,514
Speaker 4: they have all these wrathful deities that will like destroy shit.

422
00:22:45,184 --> 00:22:50,844
Speaker 4: They're doing it out of protection. Protection for, you know,

423
00:22:51,564 --> 00:22:56,524
Speaker 4: whatever it is, the compassionate, for nature, for, you know,

424
00:22:56,984 --> 00:23:02,294
Speaker 4: those who need protecting, you know? And so to me, like...

425
00:23:03,224 --> 00:23:06,524
Speaker 4: I tend to be a very even keeled, chill person.

426
00:23:06,904 --> 00:23:10,994
Speaker 4: But like when someone crosses the line, then I'm stepping

427
00:23:11,014 --> 00:23:12,274
Speaker 4: to my wrath a little bit.

428
00:23:12,494 --> 00:23:15,934
Speaker 1: And it felt like you had given Tarantino a lot

429
00:23:15,974 --> 00:23:16,494
Speaker 1: of grace.

430
00:23:17,134 --> 00:23:18,334
Speaker 4: I really tried.

431
00:23:18,354 --> 00:23:20,314
Speaker 1: Because this actually came.

432
00:23:20,274 --> 00:23:21,534
Speaker 4: Out after the book came out.

433
00:23:21,614 --> 00:23:23,914
Speaker 1: So you had like, the movie had come out. It

434
00:23:23,934 --> 00:23:28,134
Speaker 1: was a big hit. Wins awards. People are like, Tarantino

435
00:23:28,174 --> 00:23:31,534
Speaker 1: finally wins his Oscar. I think he literally congratulated, thanked himself.

436
00:23:31,814 --> 00:23:33,614
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the Oscar speech, he

437
00:23:33,854 --> 00:23:38,523
Speaker 1: thanks himself. And so you had really like given him

438
00:23:38,564 --> 00:23:40,584
Speaker 1: a lot of space and grace. And then the book

439
00:23:40,624 --> 00:23:42,764
Speaker 1: came out and sort of the whole story bubbled up again.

440
00:23:42,784 --> 00:23:44,884
Speaker 1: I think he was on Rogan. Yes.

441
00:23:45,124 --> 00:23:48,914
Speaker 4: I mean, I did do an article after the film

442
00:23:48,944 --> 00:23:53,194
Speaker 4: came out because a lot of press reached out to

443
00:23:53,254 --> 00:23:55,934
Speaker 4: me and they wanted my comment and I hadn't actually

444
00:23:56,014 --> 00:23:59,464
Speaker 4: seen the movie. And so, you know, to be an integrity. Like,

445
00:23:59,504 --> 00:24:02,263
Speaker 4: I can't comment about something I haven't seen. So I

446
00:24:02,464 --> 00:24:07,544
Speaker 4: went to go see it. And it was so uncomfortable.

447
00:24:07,564 --> 00:24:13,544
Speaker 4: It was like when that scene happened. And then I

448
00:24:13,584 --> 00:24:15,704
Speaker 4: was like, okay, now I'm ready to comment.

449
00:24:15,844 --> 00:24:16,444
Speaker 1: I have a comment.

450
00:24:16,464 --> 00:24:20,464
Speaker 4: You know what? I have something to say. And it's

451
00:24:20,544 --> 00:24:26,584
Speaker 4: interesting because... And I tried... I always try to just

452
00:24:26,664 --> 00:24:29,464
Speaker 4: say what I mean and don't go down the slings

453
00:24:29,524 --> 00:24:32,004
Speaker 4: and arrows of like, you know, fuck that guy. I

454
00:24:32,044 --> 00:24:36,384
Speaker 4: don't know him. I've never met him. I don't know

455
00:24:36,424 --> 00:24:38,544
Speaker 4: what he's like. I mean, I can see what he's

456
00:24:38,614 --> 00:24:40,954
Speaker 4: like in a lot of ways, but I don't actually

457
00:24:40,994 --> 00:24:43,174
Speaker 4: know him. So it would be wrong for me to

458
00:24:43,214 --> 00:24:46,914
Speaker 4: comment on his character. But I can comment on his

459
00:24:47,034 --> 00:24:51,794
Speaker 4: actions and his words. And I mean, he just said

460
00:24:51,874 --> 00:24:55,944
Speaker 4: things wrong. About my dad that even in his rebuttals

461
00:24:56,064 --> 00:25:02,974
Speaker 4: to me that weren't just blatantly false and unresearched and untrue. And,

462
00:25:03,194 --> 00:25:05,474
Speaker 4: you know, what came out of that was that the

463
00:25:05,494 --> 00:25:08,654
Speaker 4: Chinese government actually asked me about my opinion of that

464
00:25:08,694 --> 00:25:11,854
Speaker 4: film and they refused to release the film in China

465
00:25:11,894 --> 00:25:17,754
Speaker 4: because of it. Oh, my God. So I don't know

466
00:25:17,774 --> 00:25:18,734
Speaker 4: if you know that part.

467
00:25:18,834 --> 00:25:21,513
Speaker 1: I didn't know that part of it. Whoa.

468
00:25:21,674 --> 00:25:22,254
Speaker 2: Whoa.

469
00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:23,394
Speaker 1: That's like, ooh.

470
00:25:23,834 --> 00:25:24,154
Speaker 4: Yeah.

471
00:25:24,754 --> 00:25:25,014
Speaker 1: Yeah.

472
00:25:25,254 --> 00:25:29,054
Speaker 4: Which I'm sure that Sony Pictures Classic or whoever did

473
00:25:29,074 --> 00:25:30,404
Speaker 4: it was not so happy about.

474
00:25:30,644 --> 00:25:33,524
Speaker 1: What do you mean they don't want a Tarantino film? Yeah,

475
00:25:33,564 --> 00:25:34,324
Speaker 1: we're good on this one.

476
00:25:34,604 --> 00:25:39,224
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then he came out and was promoting the

477
00:25:39,444 --> 00:25:45,434
Speaker 4: novelization of it. And just doubled down and said even

478
00:25:45,534 --> 00:25:48,714
Speaker 4: more terrible things. And then I had to say things back.

479
00:25:51,284 --> 00:25:53,604
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because I'm going to try not to

480
00:25:53,644 --> 00:25:58,064
Speaker 1: draw too many connections to the, I mean, it's weird

481
00:25:58,084 --> 00:26:01,244
Speaker 1: to say, between you and your dad. But one of

482
00:26:01,284 --> 00:26:03,344
Speaker 1: the things that I learned as a youth from watching,

483
00:26:03,564 --> 00:26:06,044
Speaker 1: that I really appreciated from watching your dad's movies, is

484
00:26:06,094 --> 00:26:08,794
Speaker 1: that it was always like, it was generally, I'm trying

485
00:26:08,814 --> 00:26:10,854
Speaker 1: to think if there's not an example of this, if

486
00:26:10,874 --> 00:26:17,864
Speaker 1: I think of the four classics, it's generally like the

487
00:26:17,984 --> 00:26:20,564
Speaker 1: first 20 minutes of the movie is him like, I

488
00:26:20,644 --> 00:26:23,644
Speaker 1: don't want to fight. Look, I don't want... Just be cool.

489
00:26:23,664 --> 00:26:24,404
Speaker 1: Could you just be cool?

490
00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:25,544
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

491
00:26:25,564 --> 00:26:26,284
Speaker 1: Could you just chill?

492
00:26:26,304 --> 00:26:27,144
Speaker 4: Yeah.

493
00:26:27,344 --> 00:26:30,684
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, weird mobsters, could you not be beating

494
00:26:30,724 --> 00:26:32,474
Speaker 1: up people in this Chinese restaurant in Italy? If you

495
00:26:32,494 --> 00:26:34,094
Speaker 1: could just not do that. I'm just here to say

496
00:26:34,114 --> 00:26:38,514
Speaker 1: they don't like to be beaten up. Hey, weird... Ice

497
00:26:38,554 --> 00:26:42,763
Speaker 1: Factory or whatever that was in Chinese Connection. If you

498
00:26:42,784 --> 00:26:45,264
Speaker 1: could just not, just if you could leave these people alone,

499
00:26:45,364 --> 00:26:47,644
Speaker 1: I'd be really like, and it's sort of the thing

500
00:26:47,664 --> 00:26:49,184
Speaker 1: you did where you, I felt like you kept trying

501
00:26:49,204 --> 00:26:51,584
Speaker 1: to give Tarantino, hey man, okay, you said your point.

502
00:26:52,984 --> 00:26:55,674
Speaker 1: You made the film, made a lot of money. Just

503
00:26:55,744 --> 00:26:57,994
Speaker 1: no more with my dad. Just no more. And he

504
00:26:58,014 --> 00:27:01,494
Speaker 1: wouldn't stop. And then you went to Wrath, Wrath versus Anger.

505
00:27:01,514 --> 00:27:03,354
Speaker 1: I feel like that's gonna be a lot of people

506
00:27:03,414 --> 00:27:05,994
Speaker 1: watching this like, Oh, let me write that down. Because

507
00:27:06,354 --> 00:27:08,793
Speaker 1: it's interesting, I think, in the format of, I don't

508
00:27:08,834 --> 00:27:11,454
Speaker 1: even know where this comes from, but the seven deadly sins,

509
00:27:11,744 --> 00:27:14,324
Speaker 1: and I think wrath is listed among the seven deadly sins.

510
00:27:14,444 --> 00:27:14,744
Speaker 2: Is it?

511
00:27:15,084 --> 00:27:18,844
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the seven deadly sins are classification of vices

512
00:27:18,884 --> 00:27:23,763
Speaker 1: in the Christian tradition, pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath,

513
00:27:23,854 --> 00:27:27,934
Speaker 1: and sloth. So wrath, not anger, wrath. And to me,

514
00:27:27,974 --> 00:27:32,744
Speaker 1: that's the version of Christianity that says, be a faithful

515
00:27:32,784 --> 00:27:34,224
Speaker 1: servant and keep your mouth closed.

516
00:27:34,304 --> 00:27:34,704
Speaker 4: That's right.

517
00:27:34,904 --> 00:27:35,104
Speaker 2: Yeah.

518
00:27:35,224 --> 00:27:38,523
Speaker 1: While we're, while we're over here, uh, uh, while exchange

519
00:27:38,564 --> 00:27:41,484
Speaker 1: doing money, exchanging money in the temple as Jesus was,

520
00:27:43,264 --> 00:27:45,834
Speaker 1: we're over here, we're over here exchanging, doing money lending

521
00:27:45,874 --> 00:27:48,334
Speaker 1: and changing money in the temple. Why is Jesus flipping

522
00:27:48,354 --> 00:27:52,834
Speaker 1: the tables over? Uh, he seems so wrathful, uh, that like, yeah, that,

523
00:27:52,854 --> 00:27:54,614
Speaker 1: so it's interesting to hear like, cause wrath, I don't

524
00:27:54,634 --> 00:27:56,374
Speaker 1: think it's, wrath has gotten a bad rap.

525
00:27:56,614 --> 00:27:57,574
Speaker 4: It's gotten a bad rap.

526
00:27:57,614 --> 00:27:59,854
Speaker 1: And you, you know, the, so the, the title of

527
00:27:59,874 --> 00:28:05,594
Speaker 1: this podcast is, uh, Shannon Lee, On the virtues of wrath.

528
00:28:06,154 --> 00:28:07,094
Speaker 4: I like it.

529
00:28:07,154 --> 00:28:07,374
Speaker 1: Yes.

530
00:28:07,994 --> 00:28:09,414
Speaker 4: It's good. It's good for where I'm at in my

531
00:28:09,454 --> 00:28:10,454
Speaker 4: life right now, actually.

532
00:28:10,474 --> 00:28:10,734
Speaker 2: Okay.

533
00:28:10,954 --> 00:28:14,364
Speaker 1: All right. That's good. That's good. Where are you at

534
00:28:14,384 --> 00:28:15,184
Speaker 1: in your life right now?

535
00:28:15,954 --> 00:28:19,504
Speaker 4: I think last year was a difficult year for everybody

536
00:28:20,004 --> 00:28:23,244
Speaker 4: in a variety of ways. I think it was a

537
00:28:23,264 --> 00:28:27,424
Speaker 4: difficult year for me. It had me, you know, sort

538
00:28:27,464 --> 00:28:31,844
Speaker 4: of back to your initial point of, you know, stewarding

539
00:28:31,864 --> 00:28:35,604
Speaker 4: my father's legacy and giving that, giving my energy to that,

540
00:28:36,164 --> 00:28:40,264
Speaker 4: it's always been a little bit of a challenge in particular.

541
00:28:40,324 --> 00:28:42,644
Speaker 4: Like we went over all the quotes, right? Like not

542
00:28:42,704 --> 00:28:48,464
Speaker 4: self-image actualization, but self-actualization. And then you take yourself and

543
00:28:48,584 --> 00:28:56,264
Speaker 4: you're lending your life to stewarding somebody else's life. And

544
00:28:56,284 --> 00:28:58,834
Speaker 4: then you go, wait, Where am I?

545
00:28:58,934 --> 00:29:03,734
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I get there?

546
00:29:04,074 --> 00:29:06,354
Speaker 4: Yeah, where am I in this?

547
00:29:06,474 --> 00:29:09,194
Speaker 1: Because you can't help but, I would imagine, sometimes be

548
00:29:09,254 --> 00:29:12,364
Speaker 1: subsumed by the weight of this legacy.

549
00:29:13,504 --> 00:29:16,224
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it is a huge legacy. It does

550
00:29:16,264 --> 00:29:20,284
Speaker 4: require a lot of energy from me. People, I think,

551
00:29:20,524 --> 00:29:23,154
Speaker 4: who meet me tend to think, oh, she's so personable

552
00:29:23,274 --> 00:29:26,494
Speaker 4: and all this stuff. I'm actually sort of one of

553
00:29:26,554 --> 00:29:31,754
Speaker 4: those like, ambiverts, like introvert and extrovert. But I think

554
00:29:31,794 --> 00:29:34,994
Speaker 4: the key sort of characteristic of an introvert is that

555
00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:39,134
Speaker 4: their social battery winds down real fast. And so for me,

556
00:29:39,214 --> 00:29:42,414
Speaker 4: because of the weight, I think at times I'm like,

557
00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,814
Speaker 4: I have to go lock myself in a dark room

558
00:29:45,894 --> 00:29:48,574
Speaker 4: and get under a blanket for a little while.

559
00:29:48,714 --> 00:29:50,254
Speaker 1: I can imagine that.

560
00:29:50,954 --> 00:29:51,034
Speaker 2: So.

561
00:29:51,364 --> 00:29:51,864
Speaker 1: That.

562
00:29:52,104 --> 00:29:57,294
Speaker 4: So I am definitely more of an introvert on the scale, probably. Although, obviously,

563
00:29:57,314 --> 00:30:00,394
Speaker 4: when I do stuff like this, I can get the

564
00:30:00,454 --> 00:30:00,984
Speaker 4: energy up.

565
00:30:01,174 --> 00:30:02,774
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a choice.

566
00:30:03,234 --> 00:30:03,754
Speaker 4: It's a choice.

567
00:30:03,814 --> 00:30:05,834
Speaker 1: And I would imagine when I texted you and said,

568
00:30:05,854 --> 00:30:07,554
Speaker 1: do you want to be on my podcast? You had

569
00:30:07,584 --> 00:30:07,754
Speaker 1: to go.

570
00:30:10,374 --> 00:30:10,634
Speaker 3: Yes.

571
00:30:10,754 --> 00:30:12,594
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what.

572
00:30:12,814 --> 00:30:16,494
Speaker 4: I'll tell you exactly how it went. I was like, Kamau,

573
00:30:16,574 --> 00:30:18,594
Speaker 4: I love Kamau. Yes, I want to do it. Yes,

574
00:30:18,654 --> 00:30:20,484
Speaker 4: let's do it. And then you were like, you have

575
00:30:20,524 --> 00:30:27,604
Speaker 4: to drive to Glendale on Wednesday. And I was like, oh.

576
00:30:28,144 --> 00:30:30,044
Speaker 1: I'm prepared for people to go, not anymore. I don't

577
00:30:30,064 --> 00:30:32,204
Speaker 1: do it. If you'd said that, I would have understood.

578
00:30:32,224 --> 00:30:32,934
Speaker 1: I'd have understood.

579
00:30:33,864 --> 00:30:38,504
Speaker 4: Yeah, at 5 o'clock on a Wednesday. But that's more

580
00:30:38,574 --> 00:30:43,954
Speaker 4: the part. I sometimes get really overwhelmed by little detail-y

581
00:30:44,074 --> 00:30:52,934
Speaker 4: things that are challenging. So anyway, I have been struggling,

582
00:30:53,014 --> 00:30:55,534
Speaker 4: I think, over the last few years to really find

583
00:30:55,634 --> 00:30:59,104
Speaker 4: my identity in all of this. It's like I have

584
00:30:59,184 --> 00:31:02,714
Speaker 4: my identity, but when what I do for a living–

585
00:31:02,984 --> 00:31:08,104
Speaker 4: is constantly think about my father and how to do

586
00:31:08,204 --> 00:31:11,674
Speaker 4: right by him. I sometimes forget about how to do

587
00:31:11,724 --> 00:31:14,814
Speaker 4: right by me. And I also sometimes feel a little

588
00:31:15,894 --> 00:31:19,854
Speaker 4: put upon that all my energy goes there and I

589
00:31:19,994 --> 00:31:23,614
Speaker 4: start to think like, well, do I need to pull

590
00:31:23,714 --> 00:31:27,544
Speaker 4: myself back from this in order to make sure I'm

591
00:31:27,584 --> 00:31:31,104
Speaker 4: doing what I want to do? And I think that

592
00:31:31,594 --> 00:31:34,474
Speaker 4: This last year was challenging in a lot of ways.

593
00:31:36,294 --> 00:31:43,104
Speaker 4: I had to end some relationships because they were, they

594
00:31:43,144 --> 00:31:46,924
Speaker 4: didn't have my best interest at heart. And those were

595
00:31:46,944 --> 00:31:50,924
Speaker 4: all really challenging things, but also really good things because

596
00:31:50,984 --> 00:31:53,004
Speaker 4: I think what came out of it for me at

597
00:31:53,044 --> 00:31:59,114
Speaker 4: the end was like, oh, no. this is my legacy. Like, yes,

598
00:31:59,254 --> 00:32:06,124
Speaker 4: it's his legacy, but it's also my legacy. And I

599
00:32:06,144 --> 00:32:09,304
Speaker 4: know it's like, it's funny because I always used to

600
00:32:09,384 --> 00:32:13,384
Speaker 4: talk about how I make business decisions is that I

601
00:32:13,464 --> 00:32:18,304
Speaker 4: feel into whether it makes sense for my energetically for,

602
00:32:18,484 --> 00:32:21,464
Speaker 4: is it within the energetic guidelines and boundaries of my

603
00:32:21,584 --> 00:32:26,164
Speaker 4: father's legacy and what he stood for? But now I'm like,

604
00:32:26,424 --> 00:32:29,354
Speaker 4: is it in within the energetic boundaries of who I

605
00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:34,214
Speaker 4: am and what I stand for? And knowing that he

606
00:32:34,254 --> 00:32:37,194
Speaker 4: and I are aligned in so many ways, you know,

607
00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:40,594
Speaker 4: like I'm never going to be the kind of martial

608
00:32:40,614 --> 00:32:42,694
Speaker 4: artist that he was. I don't want to be. I

609
00:32:42,734 --> 00:32:47,484
Speaker 4: literally have no interest in it. But I'm very grateful

610
00:32:47,524 --> 00:32:49,324
Speaker 4: for the martial arts that I did do and what

611
00:32:49,364 --> 00:32:52,204
Speaker 4: it did for me as a human being. But where

612
00:32:52,304 --> 00:33:00,364
Speaker 4: we align is in this. Energetics of wrath, to be honest.

613
00:33:02,944 --> 00:33:06,184
Speaker 1: New podcast title, Shannon Lee on the energetics of wrath.

614
00:33:06,304 --> 00:33:06,564
Speaker 2: Okay.

615
00:33:06,584 --> 00:33:09,484
Speaker 1: All right. We keep refining the energetics of wrath. Is

616
00:33:09,504 --> 00:33:10,184
Speaker 1: that your next book?

617
00:33:11,484 --> 00:33:11,874
Speaker 4: Maybe.

618
00:33:11,894 --> 00:33:14,764
Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like a time. I'll say this

619
00:33:14,804 --> 00:33:17,634
Speaker 1: right now. Like people associate what I do sometimes, like

620
00:33:17,654 --> 00:33:19,974
Speaker 1: come out of your state. I get reflected back at me,

621
00:33:20,034 --> 00:33:22,954
Speaker 1: how friendly I am and how compassionate I am and

622
00:33:22,994 --> 00:33:26,044
Speaker 1: how kind I like the onscreen. And I'm like, I

623
00:33:26,044 --> 00:33:29,184
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think that people understand that belief

624
00:33:29,264 --> 00:33:34,194
Speaker 1: that beneath that is a seething anger, like about like

625
00:33:34,234 --> 00:33:36,914
Speaker 1: the injustice that is being, that this person I'm talking

626
00:33:36,954 --> 00:33:39,574
Speaker 1: to is facing or the injustice person is putting out

627
00:33:39,594 --> 00:33:41,534
Speaker 1: into the world. I'm sort of trying to like, how

628
00:33:41,554 --> 00:33:44,124
Speaker 1: do I help this person communicate? And the way that

629
00:33:44,144 --> 00:33:46,504
Speaker 1: I helped him communicate is by being funny and, and, and,

630
00:33:47,044 --> 00:33:49,464
Speaker 1: and empathetic. And I am empathetic and all these things,

631
00:33:50,024 --> 00:33:55,314
Speaker 1: but it's powered by like, Like, why isn't the world

632
00:33:55,374 --> 00:33:57,734
Speaker 1: doing the thing it's supposed to do? Why isn't our

633
00:33:57,774 --> 00:34:01,634
Speaker 1: government doing the thing it's, why do we? I always

634
00:34:01,674 --> 00:34:04,904
Speaker 1: reflect back on, there's a lot of people whose words

635
00:34:04,964 --> 00:34:07,344
Speaker 1: I take to heart. And one is the prophet, Zach

636
00:34:07,364 --> 00:34:11,304
Speaker 1: de la Rocha. Anger is a gift. And so connected

637
00:34:11,324 --> 00:34:13,183
Speaker 1: to your wrath thing that he was like the Zach

638
00:34:13,204 --> 00:34:14,643
Speaker 1: de la Rocha from Rage Against the Machine is saying like,

639
00:34:15,064 --> 00:34:17,303
Speaker 1: that anger can be a fuel. And I think that's

640
00:34:17,334 --> 00:34:19,594
Speaker 1: what you're saying with the, And the wrath can be protection.

641
00:34:19,754 --> 00:34:20,294
Speaker 4: Protection.

642
00:34:20,433 --> 00:34:23,354
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that they're different. Like anger is just like,

643
00:34:23,393 --> 00:34:25,033
Speaker 1: this is, but then if you take it and turn

644
00:34:25,053 --> 00:34:27,854
Speaker 1: it into fuel, it can help you get, and wrath

645
00:34:27,913 --> 00:34:32,344
Speaker 1: is like, you will not continue to go on this path.

646
00:34:32,703 --> 00:34:32,943
Speaker 4: Yes.

647
00:34:33,203 --> 00:34:36,024
Speaker 1: You will not keep my dad's name out your mouth.

648
00:34:36,464 --> 00:34:37,524
Speaker 4: Yeah.

649
00:34:37,604 --> 00:34:39,284
Speaker 1: You will understand that that's how I feel.

650
00:34:39,864 --> 00:34:44,763
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of times I feel, You know,

651
00:34:44,783 --> 00:34:46,703
Speaker 4: and we were kind of joking earlier before we started

652
00:34:46,723 --> 00:34:52,283
Speaker 4: recording about being a spiritualist, which I am. And, you know,

653
00:34:52,303 --> 00:34:54,524
Speaker 4: a lot of I really put a lot of my

654
00:34:54,564 --> 00:35:01,413
Speaker 4: faith and trust in. In energetics and in the dualities

655
00:35:01,513 --> 00:35:05,413
Speaker 4: of the universe, which are really and in particular of this,

656
00:35:06,373 --> 00:35:08,513
Speaker 4: you know, human experience we're all having, which is is

657
00:35:08,574 --> 00:35:12,613
Speaker 4: really challenging. And there are times when I'm like, you

658
00:35:12,634 --> 00:35:15,274
Speaker 4: know what? There's nothing I have to do here because

659
00:35:15,314 --> 00:35:19,934
Speaker 4: this is so ridiculous. It's going to take care of itself.

660
00:35:20,614 --> 00:35:23,354
Speaker 4: And yes, of course, if I'm called to speak, if

661
00:35:23,413 --> 00:35:26,073
Speaker 4: I'm called in a moment to step into action, I

662
00:35:26,134 --> 00:35:32,143
Speaker 4: will 100%. But like the flip side of wrath is compassion.

663
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:35,804
Speaker 4: It is. It's the other side of the coin because

664
00:35:35,864 --> 00:35:41,024
Speaker 4: it's like I care deeply about making sure that people

665
00:35:41,104 --> 00:35:44,863
Speaker 4: are not suffering anymore. You know what I mean? And

666
00:35:44,964 --> 00:35:48,983
Speaker 4: so that is what will enact my wrath is when

667
00:35:49,044 --> 00:35:52,803
Speaker 4: people are made to suffer when there's no need for it.

668
00:35:54,114 --> 00:35:58,994
Speaker 4: And that is people taking out their inner experience on others,

669
00:36:00,734 --> 00:36:02,933
Speaker 4: which is a no.

670
00:36:03,094 --> 00:36:05,674
Speaker 1: It's a no for me, dog.

671
00:36:05,754 --> 00:36:08,413
Speaker 4: That's a no for me. And so it's like all

672
00:36:08,453 --> 00:36:10,554
Speaker 4: of this craziness that's happening in the world.

673
00:36:10,594 --> 00:36:10,854
Speaker 1: Yeah.

674
00:36:11,033 --> 00:36:18,363
Speaker 4: It's no good. And my hope and my wish and,

675
00:36:19,203 --> 00:36:22,143
Speaker 4: you know, my belief is, well, what do they say?

676
00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:24,303
Speaker 4: The arc of the universe is long and it bends

677
00:36:24,324 --> 00:36:29,104
Speaker 4: towards justice. Is that, is that this is lifting, like

678
00:36:29,143 --> 00:36:32,174
Speaker 4: we're seeing under, we're peeking under the, looking behind the veil,

679
00:36:32,203 --> 00:36:34,734
Speaker 4: peeking under the hood, whatever, you know, metaphor you want

680
00:36:34,754 --> 00:36:38,493
Speaker 4: to use. And, um, And we're going like, oh, yeah,

681
00:36:38,533 --> 00:36:39,364
Speaker 4: this is a no.

682
00:36:39,614 --> 00:36:40,253
Speaker 1: This is a no.

683
00:36:40,493 --> 00:36:41,173
Speaker 4: This is a no.

684
00:36:41,194 --> 00:36:41,474
Speaker 1: Yeah.

685
00:36:42,013 --> 00:36:44,274
Speaker 4: And it'll take us some time and a lot of

686
00:36:44,433 --> 00:36:48,593
Speaker 4: unfortunate stuff. Hopefully, we do get there sooner than later.

687
00:36:48,614 --> 00:37:01,564
Speaker 2: Thank you.

688
00:37:06,703 --> 00:37:14,184
Speaker 1: What do you say to people? Don't make your dad political. Yeah.

689
00:37:14,723 --> 00:37:18,893
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we don't do, as I'm sure

690
00:37:18,933 --> 00:37:22,793
Speaker 4: you're aware, a lot of political posting. We don't do it. But,

691
00:37:23,134 --> 00:37:25,754
Speaker 4: you know, when there are things that come up, of course,

692
00:37:25,873 --> 00:37:28,233
Speaker 4: we're going to say, yeah, no, that's wrong. And no, yeah,

693
00:37:28,274 --> 00:37:32,294
Speaker 4: we stand with this, you know. And to me, it's

694
00:37:33,074 --> 00:37:36,173
Speaker 4: like basic human decency is not political. It should not

695
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:41,004
Speaker 4: be political. Like taking care of others and making sure

696
00:37:41,143 --> 00:37:44,164
Speaker 4: that people don't suffer should not be a political talking point.

697
00:37:44,364 --> 00:37:45,104
Speaker 4: It really shouldn't.

698
00:37:45,384 --> 00:37:47,024
Speaker 1: And you say, we don't do political posts. It's not

699
00:37:47,044 --> 00:37:51,074
Speaker 1: like Bruce Lee endorses X candidate. My dad would have

700
00:37:51,114 --> 00:37:54,993
Speaker 1: endorsed this candidate for president. So we on behalf of

701
00:37:55,074 --> 00:37:58,294
Speaker 1: my dad are endorsing this candidate for, or we're actively

702
00:37:58,373 --> 00:38:01,194
Speaker 1: not endorsing the, you know, the work speaks for itself.

703
00:38:01,984 --> 00:38:06,203
Speaker 1: And as you certainly can speak to, people, you know, again,

704
00:38:06,243 --> 00:38:08,743
Speaker 1: talking about China and Hong Kong, people have taken up

705
00:38:08,783 --> 00:38:10,893
Speaker 1: your dad's image and your dad's words as a way

706
00:38:10,913 --> 00:38:13,874
Speaker 1: to sort of like represent, to stand up for human rights.

707
00:38:14,134 --> 00:38:21,513
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, I believe that if my message is,

708
00:38:21,953 --> 00:38:25,733
Speaker 4: you know, do your work on the inside, like, you know,

709
00:38:26,594 --> 00:38:28,714
Speaker 4: I'm looking at your do the work, do your do

710
00:38:28,734 --> 00:38:29,693
Speaker 4: the work book right there.

711
00:38:29,714 --> 00:38:30,433
Speaker 1: Yeah.

712
00:38:31,243 --> 00:38:33,914
Speaker 4: To really understand what's going on for you and where

713
00:38:33,993 --> 00:38:38,154
Speaker 4: you're suffering and where that's coming from for you, that

714
00:38:38,834 --> 00:38:42,254
Speaker 4: that will change the world. It really will.

715
00:38:42,274 --> 00:38:42,754
Speaker 2: Yeah.

716
00:38:42,993 --> 00:38:45,734
Speaker 4: You know, and it's like it, but it's hard work.

717
00:38:46,254 --> 00:38:48,973
Speaker 4: It's hard to get people to step into it.

718
00:38:49,154 --> 00:38:49,414
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:38:50,134 --> 00:38:53,233
Speaker 4: But that's my way of being additive to.

720
00:38:53,674 --> 00:38:53,873
Speaker 2: Yeah.

721
00:38:55,553 --> 00:38:56,573
Speaker 4: What's happening right now.

722
00:38:56,953 --> 00:39:00,173
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. And there's a lot happening right now. I'm

723
00:39:00,234 --> 00:39:01,673
Speaker 1: so happy to hear you talk about the fact that

724
00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:03,653
Speaker 1: you have, that you have sort of like last year,

725
00:39:03,703 --> 00:39:06,014
Speaker 1: you sort of figure out it's not just about what

726
00:39:06,033 --> 00:39:08,123
Speaker 1: would my dad do all the time. It's not always

727
00:39:08,163 --> 00:39:09,944
Speaker 1: what would Bruce Lee do? It's also like, I get

728
00:39:09,964 --> 00:39:11,584
Speaker 1: to ask what would Shannon Lee, what is Shannon Lee

729
00:39:11,623 --> 00:39:13,104
Speaker 1: going to do? You know, like what are we, what

730
00:39:13,143 --> 00:39:14,984
Speaker 1: am I going to do as a, I'm representing him,

731
00:39:15,064 --> 00:39:16,743
Speaker 1: but also I get to sort of have a vote

732
00:39:16,803 --> 00:39:19,504
Speaker 1: in here. I'm not just voting on behalf of my dad.

733
00:39:19,763 --> 00:39:22,033
Speaker 4: Yeah, and also like, where have I been asleep at

734
00:39:22,074 --> 00:39:24,094
Speaker 4: the wheel a little bit? Where have I been over

735
00:39:24,154 --> 00:39:29,294
Speaker 4: trusting and over giving? Where does that come from within me?

736
00:39:31,154 --> 00:39:36,214
Speaker 4: It's not the person who was manipulative and a bad apple.

737
00:39:36,393 --> 00:39:42,124
Speaker 4: Those people are everywhere. It's what in me allowed myself

738
00:39:42,884 --> 00:39:46,904
Speaker 4: to be manipulated by this person. What did I miss?

739
00:39:47,044 --> 00:39:49,303
Speaker 4: What was I, you know, my dad used to talk

740
00:39:49,344 --> 00:39:52,204
Speaker 4: about finding out the cause of your own ignorance, right?

741
00:39:52,344 --> 00:39:57,504
Speaker 4: Like where was I being ignorant or just sitting too

742
00:39:57,544 --> 00:40:01,683
Speaker 4: deeply in my unconscious wound wherever that comes from. And

743
00:40:01,703 --> 00:40:03,004
Speaker 4: by the way, I've done a lot of work on

744
00:40:03,044 --> 00:40:05,444
Speaker 4: where that comes from. That's a whole other podcast.

745
00:40:05,464 --> 00:40:05,724
Speaker 1: Sure.

746
00:40:08,663 --> 00:40:12,524
Speaker 4: But, you know, like, what in me, like, I'll give

747
00:40:12,544 --> 00:40:16,163
Speaker 4: you one perfect example. I have a degree in music.

748
00:40:17,053 --> 00:40:17,863
Speaker 4: We know this about me.

749
00:40:17,884 --> 00:40:17,954
Speaker 2: Yes.

750
00:40:18,134 --> 00:40:21,093
Speaker 4: I acted a bit in my 20s. Yep, yep.

751
00:40:21,854 --> 00:40:24,274
Speaker 1: And is it a degree in voice? Because I know

752
00:40:24,314 --> 00:40:24,673
Speaker 1: you're a singer.

753
00:40:24,694 --> 00:40:25,653
Speaker 4: In vocal performance, yeah.

754
00:40:25,674 --> 00:40:28,694
Speaker 1: I just want people to be exact.

755
00:40:28,754 --> 00:40:34,404
Speaker 4: Yes, in vocal performance. And I acted for a little while.

756
00:40:34,884 --> 00:40:38,323
Speaker 4: And then I stepped into doing this. So I have

757
00:40:38,384 --> 00:40:42,254
Speaker 4: no background in business. I have no background in law,

758
00:40:42,594 --> 00:40:44,134
Speaker 4: legal issues.

759
00:40:44,174 --> 00:40:46,854
Speaker 1: You have no background in intellectual property rights.

760
00:40:46,873 --> 00:40:47,933
Speaker 4: Intellectual property rights.

761
00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:48,334
Speaker 1: Nope.

762
00:40:48,794 --> 00:40:52,274
Speaker 4: So I had to learn all of that. And in

763
00:40:52,314 --> 00:40:55,114
Speaker 4: the back of my mind, over these last 26 years

764
00:40:55,154 --> 00:40:58,343
Speaker 4: I've been doing this now, is this little voice that's like,

765
00:40:58,384 --> 00:41:01,923
Speaker 4: you're You don't know what you're doing. You're not good

766
00:41:01,964 --> 00:41:04,484
Speaker 4: at business. You're not a business person. You don't know

767
00:41:04,504 --> 00:41:08,433
Speaker 4: what you're doing. And then because that little voice is there,

768
00:41:08,453 --> 00:41:12,073
Speaker 4: you have a little chip on your shoulder where you're like, well,

769
00:41:12,154 --> 00:41:17,893
Speaker 4: I'm smart. But it's not the same as fully embodying

770
00:41:17,933 --> 00:41:23,203
Speaker 4: your own wisdom, listening to your intuition, getting that out

771
00:41:23,243 --> 00:41:25,683
Speaker 4: of the way enough to ask for the help you need.

772
00:41:26,643 --> 00:41:29,863
Speaker 4: Making sure that the people that you're like doing your

773
00:41:29,884 --> 00:41:33,504
Speaker 4: due diligence, all of that, like sometimes that can be

774
00:41:33,544 --> 00:41:36,823
Speaker 4: a barrier, right? Because you're like, well, I don't really know.

775
00:41:36,844 --> 00:41:38,834
Speaker 4: They must know. So I'm just going to let them

776
00:41:38,873 --> 00:41:39,134
Speaker 4: do it.

777
00:41:39,194 --> 00:41:39,413
Speaker 2: Yeah.

778
00:41:39,774 --> 00:41:41,733
Speaker 4: And then you find out like, well, they, A, don't

779
00:41:41,774 --> 00:41:44,573
Speaker 4: really know either. And B, they just want what they

780
00:41:44,614 --> 00:41:45,453
Speaker 4: want for themselves.

781
00:41:45,473 --> 00:41:49,334
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not asking what, they're asking what,

782
00:41:49,533 --> 00:41:50,913
Speaker 1: what do I want to do? They're not even asking

783
00:41:50,933 --> 00:41:52,473
Speaker 1: what Shannon Lee want to do or Bruce Lee would do.

784
00:41:52,553 --> 00:41:54,594
Speaker 1: It's like what I want to do. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

785
00:41:55,254 --> 00:41:59,493
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like researching my own experience, finding those

786
00:41:59,513 --> 00:42:02,933
Speaker 4: little places within myself where I'm like, oh, yeah, it's

787
00:42:03,013 --> 00:42:05,294
Speaker 4: not that I'm sitting here going like, well, I am

788
00:42:05,393 --> 00:42:07,114
Speaker 4: now a savvy business person.

789
00:42:07,314 --> 00:42:08,054
Speaker 1: I'm now an expert.

790
00:42:08,134 --> 00:42:11,673
Speaker 4: I'm now an expert. But it is a little bit

791
00:42:11,944 --> 00:42:13,723
Speaker 4: of saying like, first of all, I have 26 years

792
00:42:13,743 --> 00:42:18,084
Speaker 4: of experience behind me at this point. And now I

793
00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:23,493
Speaker 4: am going to make sure. To just fully check before

794
00:42:23,634 --> 00:42:27,433
Speaker 4: jumping in with both feet. Like, I'm going to not

795
00:42:27,513 --> 00:42:32,304
Speaker 4: only check resumes, but I'm going to check my interior

796
00:42:33,324 --> 00:42:40,873
Speaker 4: sense of my intuition. Like, does this seem right? Don't just,

797
00:42:41,354 --> 00:42:44,634
Speaker 4: don't just blow past the yellow and red flags and

798
00:42:44,953 --> 00:42:47,213
Speaker 4: be like, well, I guess that's just a weird quirk

799
00:42:47,254 --> 00:42:50,974
Speaker 4: that they have. You know?

800
00:42:50,993 --> 00:42:51,334
Speaker 1: Yeah.

801
00:42:51,754 --> 00:42:52,154
Speaker 4: So.

802
00:42:52,334 --> 00:42:54,133
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, and I would, I mean, I can,

803
00:42:54,303 --> 00:42:58,104
Speaker 1: I can only imagine that because you're, in some ways

804
00:42:58,143 --> 00:43:00,643
Speaker 1: your dad is just as shiny of a toy as

805
00:43:00,683 --> 00:43:03,544
Speaker 1: he was in his life. Like, so that you are being,

806
00:43:03,564 --> 00:43:09,924
Speaker 1: I would imagine, inundated with all manner of awful ideas.

807
00:43:11,354 --> 00:43:15,273
Speaker 1: Some of which could be lucrative. Yeah, sure. That awful

808
00:43:15,314 --> 00:43:16,893
Speaker 1: idea could make a lot of money. You know what

809
00:43:16,913 --> 00:43:19,013
Speaker 1: I mean? So it's not even awful in that. And

810
00:43:19,033 --> 00:43:23,404
Speaker 1: then also inundated with ideas like our mutual friend Jeff Chang.

811
00:43:23,663 --> 00:43:23,924
Speaker 4: Yes.

812
00:43:23,964 --> 00:43:25,544
Speaker 1: Who recently wrote a book about your dad.

813
00:43:25,584 --> 00:43:26,744
Speaker 4: Yes, he did.

814
00:43:27,544 --> 00:43:29,564
Speaker 1: And I remember when Jeff was in the middle of

815
00:43:29,643 --> 00:43:31,723
Speaker 1: it and hadn't reached out to you. I think I

816
00:43:31,743 --> 00:43:34,484
Speaker 1: was part of like, oh, you guys. Sort of making

817
00:43:34,524 --> 00:43:38,573
Speaker 1: sure you two connected. And you're in the position of

818
00:43:38,993 --> 00:43:43,224
Speaker 1: people are regularly coming to you to want your help

819
00:43:43,464 --> 00:43:47,084
Speaker 1: with creating their version of your dad. And you have

820
00:43:47,123 --> 00:43:50,434
Speaker 1: to say yes, no, and sometimes they do it anyway.

821
00:43:51,254 --> 00:43:55,294
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, Jeff is a great example because Jeff Chang

822
00:43:55,594 --> 00:43:58,674
Speaker 4: is a wonderful, lovely human being.

823
00:43:59,174 --> 00:43:59,413
Speaker 1: True.

824
00:43:59,854 --> 00:44:03,303
Speaker 4: And so he sent me an early draft of his book,

825
00:44:03,424 --> 00:44:10,973
Speaker 4: which I read and found extremely challenging. Um, And there

826
00:44:11,013 --> 00:44:15,113
Speaker 4: were things I didn't love. And there were conversations I

827
00:44:15,154 --> 00:44:18,774
Speaker 4: wanted to have. And it brought up a lot in me,

828
00:44:19,033 --> 00:44:24,604
Speaker 4: quite frankly. But because I know that Jeff is an

829
00:44:24,663 --> 00:44:27,564
Speaker 4: exceptional human being, I know I can have a conversation

830
00:44:27,604 --> 00:44:32,383
Speaker 4: with him. I mean, conversely, there was a biography that

831
00:44:32,424 --> 00:44:37,814
Speaker 4: came out about my dad by another writer. Yeah. Several,

832
00:44:37,973 --> 00:44:38,754
Speaker 4: few years back.

833
00:44:38,774 --> 00:44:41,493
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. This is all Google-able.

834
00:44:41,834 --> 00:44:42,854
Speaker 4: Yes, all Google-able.

835
00:44:42,893 --> 00:44:45,133
Speaker 1: We won't give him the pleasure of naming the book

836
00:44:45,203 --> 00:44:45,673
Speaker 1: or his name.

837
00:44:45,803 --> 00:44:50,243
Speaker 4: That's correct. And he was not, as it turns out,

838
00:44:50,763 --> 00:44:57,284
Speaker 4: an integral human being who was really centered on sensationalism and,

839
00:44:59,504 --> 00:45:05,173
Speaker 4: you know, publishing stuff that is questionable as to its veracity.

840
00:45:05,214 --> 00:45:07,854
Speaker 1: Journalistic, yeah.

841
00:45:08,393 --> 00:45:11,734
Speaker 4: And who tried to take advantage of his relationship with me.

842
00:45:12,614 --> 00:45:18,554
Speaker 4: And so, you know, with that, it's like, okay, so

843
00:45:18,834 --> 00:45:20,944
Speaker 4: Jeff and I had a long conversation. We talked for

844
00:45:20,973 --> 00:45:26,074
Speaker 4: maybe like three hours. We both cried. Oh, my God.

845
00:45:26,084 --> 00:45:31,383
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? He listened really deeply. Really deeply,

846
00:45:32,783 --> 00:45:37,163
Speaker 4: he heard me. I know he made some changes based

847
00:45:37,283 --> 00:45:41,514
Speaker 4: on our conversation in the book. But without, because I'm

848
00:45:41,803 --> 00:45:45,513
Speaker 4: always careful to say, like, I'm not here to tell

849
00:45:45,674 --> 00:45:49,973
Speaker 4: you how to be an artist. Like, I mean, like,

850
00:45:50,114 --> 00:45:53,254
Speaker 4: I would be failing in stewarding my father's legacy if

851
00:45:53,574 --> 00:45:56,393
Speaker 4: I felt like that was my job. That's not my job.

852
00:45:57,533 --> 00:46:01,383
Speaker 4: My job is just to express myself and try to

853
00:46:01,424 --> 00:46:04,863
Speaker 4: connect with people about what I care about and what

854
00:46:04,944 --> 00:46:11,123
Speaker 4: knowledge I have and can share. And so I was

855
00:46:11,203 --> 00:46:14,614
Speaker 4: able to do that with Jeff. And I'm happy, even though,

856
00:46:15,174 --> 00:46:18,174
Speaker 4: and I'll be 100% honest, I haven't reread the book

857
00:46:18,354 --> 00:46:19,774
Speaker 4: since it's been published.

858
00:46:20,033 --> 00:46:21,673
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the other thing about you is that

859
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:26,513
Speaker 1: I just would imagine that there would also be some like,

860
00:46:28,433 --> 00:46:30,244
Speaker 1: understandable Bruce Lee exhaustion.

861
00:46:30,654 --> 00:46:32,823
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.

862
00:46:33,243 --> 00:46:35,024
Speaker 1: I'm in it all day, every day, y'all. And it's

863
00:46:35,084 --> 00:46:39,433
Speaker 1: literally in my DNA. And it's my life's work. And

864
00:46:39,493 --> 00:46:41,593
Speaker 1: it's what many people, when I'm on the street and people,

865
00:46:42,694 --> 00:46:45,423
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you my story about this your

866
00:46:45,444 --> 00:46:48,674
Speaker 1: dad that i did yeah that there would be i

867
00:46:48,703 --> 00:46:50,913
Speaker 1: mean i'll say this i get exhausted i get w

868
00:46:51,214 --> 00:46:54,393
Speaker 1: kamau bell exhaustion and it's me you know what i

869
00:46:54,413 --> 00:46:56,653
Speaker 1: mean like there are times when i'm like someone will

870
00:46:56,674 --> 00:46:58,093
Speaker 1: push me on the street and i will talk to

871
00:46:58,154 --> 00:47:00,453
Speaker 1: you and i will take a selfie with you but

872
00:47:00,553 --> 00:47:02,613
Speaker 1: you will start to put someone to go through the

873
00:47:02,953 --> 00:47:06,553
Speaker 1: remnants of my career and i'm just like i appreciate

874
00:47:06,594 --> 00:47:08,484
Speaker 1: it but i i got things to do you know

875
00:47:08,504 --> 00:47:10,484
Speaker 1: what i mean like or i've heard that story before

876
00:47:10,504 --> 00:47:13,484
Speaker 1: you know And I'm happy to talk to, I'm happy to,

877
00:47:13,533 --> 00:47:14,634
Speaker 1: but it's my career.

878
00:47:14,953 --> 00:47:15,823
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

879
00:47:15,844 --> 00:47:17,524
Speaker 1: So I would imagine that like, even the fact you

880
00:47:17,544 --> 00:47:20,143
Speaker 1: read the book one time, you're like, whew, now read

881
00:47:20,163 --> 00:47:21,704
Speaker 1: the new version. Oh my God.

882
00:47:21,743 --> 00:47:21,964
Speaker 4: I know.

883
00:47:22,044 --> 00:47:24,163
Speaker 1: Are you going to tell me the story about how

884
00:47:24,183 --> 00:47:25,604
Speaker 1: when he was 18, he got in a fight in

885
00:47:25,643 --> 00:47:27,883
Speaker 1: Hong Kong and then he got on a boat and

886
00:47:27,924 --> 00:47:30,243
Speaker 1: had to go and then he was in, he was

887
00:47:30,324 --> 00:47:33,383
Speaker 1: in Seattle and he met a woman named Linda. Yeah.

888
00:47:33,783 --> 00:47:35,683
Speaker 1: I got to read, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

889
00:47:35,944 --> 00:47:39,263
Speaker 4: No, a hundred percent. And so it's funny, but like,

890
00:47:39,824 --> 00:47:43,013
Speaker 4: I have sat on panels with Jeff in promotion of

891
00:47:43,074 --> 00:47:46,953
Speaker 4: his book, the published version of which I have not reread.

892
00:47:47,674 --> 00:47:51,623
Speaker 4: But because I know that Jeff's intent is good and

893
00:47:51,743 --> 00:47:56,544
Speaker 4: he's a good person and he's an excellent writer. And

894
00:47:56,564 --> 00:47:58,404
Speaker 4: there were parts of the book that were very moving

895
00:47:58,444 --> 00:48:02,613
Speaker 4: and touching. And I know what his intention is. And

896
00:48:02,893 --> 00:48:05,284
Speaker 4: that I was like, yes, of course I will sit

897
00:48:05,344 --> 00:48:08,614
Speaker 4: next to you and be in support of you.

898
00:48:08,623 --> 00:48:10,064
Speaker 1: Which when you sit next to him, you're giving him,

899
00:48:10,324 --> 00:48:14,424
Speaker 1: there's sort of a public, like I'm blessing this in

900
00:48:14,464 --> 00:48:14,943
Speaker 1: some way.

901
00:48:14,964 --> 00:48:15,623
Speaker 4: Yeah.

902
00:48:15,643 --> 00:48:17,123
Speaker 1: By being next to this person in ways you're not

903
00:48:17,163 --> 00:48:19,653
Speaker 1: next to the other person or other people. Correct. Yeah.

904
00:48:20,033 --> 00:48:20,493
Speaker 3: Correct.

905
00:48:20,774 --> 00:48:22,214
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

906
00:48:22,413 --> 00:48:25,234
Speaker 4: And, you know, I mean, to the, I will say this,

907
00:48:25,314 --> 00:48:30,013
Speaker 4: like I'm notoriously a bit bad about going dark sometimes.

908
00:48:30,053 --> 00:48:33,344
Speaker 4: Takes me a while. To return an email sometimes takes

909
00:48:33,384 --> 00:48:34,864
Speaker 4: me a while to return a text, takes me a

910
00:48:34,864 --> 00:48:37,663
Speaker 4: while to return a phone call sometimes. And I'm just

911
00:48:37,703 --> 00:48:40,404
Speaker 4: going to say right now that my excuse is Bruce

912
00:48:40,424 --> 00:48:41,084
Speaker 4: Lee exhaustion.

913
00:48:41,104 --> 00:48:44,113
Speaker 1: Had you had that phrase before?

914
00:48:44,134 --> 00:48:44,194
Speaker 2: No.

915
00:48:44,283 --> 00:48:47,714
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because I just, I mean, I see the

916
00:48:47,734 --> 00:48:49,993
Speaker 1: look in my kids' faces when people approach me on

917
00:48:50,033 --> 00:48:52,314
Speaker 1: the street and they're like, so you're a big fan?

918
00:48:52,334 --> 00:48:55,443
Speaker 1: You love his work? You know what I mean? Yeah.

919
00:48:55,723 --> 00:48:57,643
Speaker 1: And you're big, you love his work. And now you're

920
00:48:57,663 --> 00:48:58,883
Speaker 1: going to turn to me and go, isn't it cool

921
00:48:58,904 --> 00:49:01,944
Speaker 1: that he's your dad? And I'm not a percentage of

922
00:49:01,984 --> 00:49:04,564
Speaker 1: the cool, you know what I mean? That like, you can't,

923
00:49:04,824 --> 00:49:06,604
Speaker 1: the idea, this is the, why I would love you

924
00:49:06,623 --> 00:49:10,183
Speaker 1: and Kelly Carlin to talk because there's a sense that like,

925
00:49:11,154 --> 00:49:13,933
Speaker 1: you can't, you don't get to turn it off. Yeah.

926
00:49:14,354 --> 00:49:16,633
Speaker 1: And of course it's your career, but also sometimes just

927
00:49:16,674 --> 00:49:18,794
Speaker 1: a person at the grocery store. Yeah.

928
00:49:18,854 --> 00:49:20,653
Speaker 4: Well, and I have to say that is one thing

929
00:49:20,674 --> 00:49:24,473
Speaker 4: that I really appreciate about me being me, which is

930
00:49:24,513 --> 00:49:28,764
Speaker 4: I'm not, famous like that. I'm not publicly recognizable to

931
00:49:28,864 --> 00:49:31,723
Speaker 4: most people. Does it happen? It has happened. Yes, for sure.

932
00:49:32,104 --> 00:49:33,903
Speaker 4: But you have to be a pretty diehard Bruce Lee

933
00:49:33,944 --> 00:49:36,883
Speaker 4: fan to know what I look like and recognize me

934
00:49:36,964 --> 00:49:41,334
Speaker 4: out in public. And I'm totally okay with that. The

935
00:49:41,393 --> 00:49:44,654
Speaker 4: place I'm most recognizable is at a Bruce Lee event.

936
00:49:44,754 --> 00:49:46,274
Speaker 4: Then of course everybody knows who I am.

937
00:49:46,354 --> 00:49:48,733
Speaker 1: And you've charged your battery to the point of like,

938
00:49:48,893 --> 00:49:52,373
Speaker 1: I'm going to be I'm going to hear everybody's first,

939
00:49:52,594 --> 00:49:56,134
Speaker 1: the first time I saw, it's that Star Wars convention

940
00:49:56,254 --> 00:49:58,674
Speaker 1: starting out live where they're like, so can you explain

941
00:49:58,694 --> 00:50:01,334
Speaker 1: to me why on page 22 of the Tao of

942
00:50:01,373 --> 00:50:04,283
Speaker 1: Jeet Kune Do your dad said you need to move

943
00:50:04,283 --> 00:50:08,524
Speaker 1: 10 degrees to the right? That's what I'm here for. Yeah.

944
00:50:08,564 --> 00:50:10,504
Speaker 4: I mean, and in a way it's easier to be

945
00:50:10,544 --> 00:50:12,903
Speaker 4: me than you in that regard because you are always

946
00:50:12,944 --> 00:50:17,263
Speaker 4: walking around as you. I get to choose in, in

947
00:50:17,364 --> 00:50:20,493
Speaker 4: most instances when I, and know that I'm choosing to

948
00:50:20,553 --> 00:50:23,854
Speaker 4: step into the Bruce Lee position, you know?

949
00:50:24,913 --> 00:50:28,554
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just, I wonder again with my kids, like, again,

950
00:50:28,594 --> 00:50:31,913
Speaker 1: they're not, their experience is very different than yours, but

951
00:50:31,933 --> 00:50:34,654
Speaker 1: I do think about them as, as they get older.

952
00:50:35,513 --> 00:50:40,924
Speaker 1: Like now my, my, my oldest daughter, Sammy, is it a, she's,

953
00:50:41,344 --> 00:50:44,913
Speaker 1: she's at a new school and she saw, one of

954
00:50:44,933 --> 00:50:46,794
Speaker 1: the posters, the poster from Do the Work says End

955
00:50:46,814 --> 00:50:50,114
Speaker 1: White Supremacy was on the wall of one of her teachers' classroom.

956
00:50:50,774 --> 00:50:53,403
Speaker 1: And she's like, where'd you get that from? And she's like,

957
00:50:53,424 --> 00:50:56,143
Speaker 1: it's from this book, Do the Work. And she was

958
00:50:56,183 --> 00:50:57,984
Speaker 1: just like, and to that moment she goes, yeah, my

959
00:50:58,004 --> 00:51:03,703
Speaker 1: dad wrote that book. Teacher's like, oh my God. She

960
00:51:03,944 --> 00:51:06,143
Speaker 1: brings it home. I sign it for the teacher. I'm

961
00:51:06,183 --> 00:51:08,173
Speaker 1: happy to do that. Also happy to get my, yeah,

962
00:51:08,194 --> 00:51:09,854
Speaker 1: maybe that'll get you from a B plus to an A.

963
00:51:09,893 --> 00:51:12,274
Speaker 1: I don't care, you know, whatever. But like, and I

964
00:51:12,314 --> 00:51:16,433
Speaker 1: can see, and I sort of say to her, I

965
00:51:16,453 --> 00:51:18,073
Speaker 1: was sort of happy to hear her choose to tell

966
00:51:18,114 --> 00:51:18,814
Speaker 1: her teacher that.

967
00:51:18,973 --> 00:51:19,193
Speaker 4: Yes.

968
00:51:20,254 --> 00:51:22,173
Speaker 1: Cause I don't, if she doesn't tell her, I don't care. Yeah,

969
00:51:22,203 --> 00:51:24,223
Speaker 1: of course. But also I'm happy that she didn't feel

970
00:51:24,263 --> 00:51:26,623
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be, you know, she also

971
00:51:26,643 --> 00:51:29,283
Speaker 1: had a great story. I went to see, she's playing

972
00:51:29,303 --> 00:51:31,564
Speaker 1: basketball and I was at the basketball game. It was

973
00:51:31,584 --> 00:51:32,924
Speaker 1: like the first game of the season that I was at.

974
00:51:33,574 --> 00:51:36,893
Speaker 1: And her coach just, just, it just happened this way.

975
00:51:37,774 --> 00:51:40,223
Speaker 1: Her coach, like, I'm sitting on the opposite side of the,

976
00:51:40,384 --> 00:51:41,863
Speaker 1: they're over there on the bench and I'm over here.

977
00:51:42,424 --> 00:51:46,434
Speaker 1: And her coach goes, that guy over there looks like W.

978
00:51:46,424 --> 00:51:49,683
Speaker 1: Kamau Bell. And Sammy sort of looks at him and smiles.

979
00:51:49,723 --> 00:51:50,954
Speaker 1: She goes, oh, he goes, oh, do you know who W.

980
00:51:50,964 --> 00:51:55,453
Speaker 1: Kamau Bell is? He has a team of players he

981
00:51:55,473 --> 00:51:57,893
Speaker 1: could have said this to. It just so happens that

982
00:51:57,933 --> 00:51:59,934
Speaker 1: he has said it to my daughter.

983
00:51:59,953 --> 00:52:01,613
Speaker 4: The one person who really knows.

984
00:52:01,674 --> 00:52:05,093
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he is. And she goes, that's my dad.

985
00:52:05,134 --> 00:52:08,964
Speaker 1: And he goes, what? What is this? And I appreciate

986
00:52:09,004 --> 00:52:13,594
Speaker 1: the fact that she gets to choose when that distinction happens.

987
00:52:13,634 --> 00:52:15,214
Speaker 1: And if she doesn't choose, I'm not gonna feel like

988
00:52:15,234 --> 00:52:17,633
Speaker 1: she denied me Jesus. I'm gonna feel like she's like,

989
00:52:17,674 --> 00:52:22,593
Speaker 1: I don't wanna deal with that conversation today in this format.

990
00:52:23,114 --> 00:52:25,594
Speaker 1: But also, like I said, you've taken it on as

991
00:52:26,354 --> 00:52:31,594
Speaker 1: your life's work. If I gave you a magic wand

992
00:52:32,154 --> 00:52:36,474
Speaker 1: and said, you are you who you are now, snap

993
00:52:36,493 --> 00:52:42,564
Speaker 1: your fingers, Somehow somebody else was in charge and you're

994
00:52:42,604 --> 00:52:46,803
Speaker 1: just whatever Shannon Lee was in the world. Do you just,

995
00:52:47,504 --> 00:52:50,764
Speaker 1: maybe you get to do it for a week, but

996
00:52:50,803 --> 00:52:53,834
Speaker 1: would you want to see what, do you ever go,

997
00:52:53,893 --> 00:52:56,694
Speaker 1: what is my life without this? What is my, what

998
00:52:56,734 --> 00:52:59,473
Speaker 1: is the sliding door that what's the alternate universe where like,

999
00:52:59,973 --> 00:53:03,053
Speaker 1: where when 26 years ago you were like, nah, I'll

1000
00:53:03,074 --> 00:53:05,413
Speaker 1: let somebody else handle that. I'm going to do some

1001
00:53:05,453 --> 00:53:05,974
Speaker 1: other things.

1002
00:53:06,493 --> 00:53:09,303
Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is, is that, 26 years ago

1003
00:53:09,384 --> 00:53:12,183
Speaker 4: doesn't unmake me as Bruce Lee's daughter. No. I mean,

1004
00:53:12,203 --> 00:53:14,484
Speaker 4: so the question is like, what would my life be

1005
00:53:14,524 --> 00:53:17,093
Speaker 4: like if Bruce Lee wasn't my father is a different

1006
00:53:17,134 --> 00:53:19,593
Speaker 4: question from what was my life like if I didn't

1007
00:53:19,654 --> 00:53:20,933
Speaker 4: choose to do this.

1008
00:53:22,074 --> 00:53:24,573
Speaker 1: And I don't think we can distinguish. I don't think

1009
00:53:24,594 --> 00:53:26,134
Speaker 1: we can do what if Bruce Lee wasn't your father.

1010
00:53:26,174 --> 00:53:27,453
Speaker 1: That's too much. That's too much.

1011
00:53:27,473 --> 00:53:29,133
Speaker 4: That's like fully unwinding. Yeah.

1012
00:53:29,154 --> 00:53:32,153
Speaker 1: That's fully unwinding. Yeah. I don't know how that, I'm

1013
00:53:32,174 --> 00:53:36,483
Speaker 1: just wondering like some kids of people, like some people

1014
00:53:36,504 --> 00:53:38,913
Speaker 1: who are, who are, the children of people who are

1015
00:53:38,953 --> 00:53:41,254
Speaker 1: famous or have legacies to control are like, I'll be

1016
00:53:41,294 --> 00:53:41,733
Speaker 1: over here.

1017
00:53:42,174 --> 00:53:46,494
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Which is a completely valid choice, you know?

1018
00:53:46,794 --> 00:53:49,774
Speaker 4: And like I said to my daughter, especially when she's

1019
00:53:49,854 --> 00:53:53,854
Speaker 4: seen me struggle sometimes, and I will say, I have

1020
00:53:54,334 --> 00:53:57,803
Speaker 4: a zero expectation of you that you need to do this.

1021
00:53:58,564 --> 00:54:01,444
Speaker 1: Actually, that helps answer the question because you've told your daughter,

1022
00:54:02,123 --> 00:54:04,343
Speaker 1: you don't have to take on the family hardware store. Nope.

1023
00:54:04,604 --> 00:54:05,243
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nope.

1024
00:54:05,854 --> 00:54:11,823
Speaker 4: Like if you want to, that's great. Awesome. But if

1025
00:54:11,844 --> 00:54:13,643
Speaker 4: you have something else you want to do with your life,

1026
00:54:13,683 --> 00:54:16,344
Speaker 4: go do it. Like I'm in full support of you

1027
00:54:16,544 --> 00:54:20,323
Speaker 4: as a human being. Like go blossom in whatever way

1028
00:54:20,404 --> 00:54:25,194
Speaker 4: you would like to blossom. And, you know, and the

1029
00:54:25,234 --> 00:54:27,573
Speaker 4: other thing I tell her is I'm like, I also say,

1030
00:54:27,634 --> 00:54:30,234
Speaker 4: I'm like, listen to me. Just listen to me. I

1031
00:54:30,254 --> 00:54:33,814
Speaker 4: want to tell you this. When I'm gone, like I'm gone.

1032
00:54:35,024 --> 00:54:38,483
Speaker 4: Like you do whatever you want. You want to sell

1033
00:54:38,524 --> 00:54:43,323
Speaker 4: this business? You want to drive it into the ground? Like,

1034
00:54:43,344 --> 00:54:47,254
Speaker 4: I don't care. That's on you. That's you. I'm not here.

1035
00:54:47,294 --> 00:54:50,754
Speaker 1: You don't feel like you better make sure you uphold

1036
00:54:50,794 --> 00:54:56,774
Speaker 1: the tradition. Please. But so, but you, but to just

1037
00:54:56,794 --> 00:54:59,113
Speaker 1: to sort of button this up, there's no, but you,

1038
00:54:59,134 --> 00:55:02,774
Speaker 1: it sounds like you, can you imagine? a version of

1039
00:55:02,834 --> 00:55:04,473
Speaker 1: you that has not been in charge of business for

1040
00:55:04,493 --> 00:55:07,223
Speaker 1: the last 26 years that sort of like went off

1041
00:55:07,283 --> 00:55:09,024
Speaker 1: and did. Sure.

1042
00:55:09,044 --> 00:55:12,143
Speaker 4: I mean, like I, I'm a person who loves to

1043
00:55:12,183 --> 00:55:16,824
Speaker 4: do many things, you know, I've written books, I've acted,

1044
00:55:16,944 --> 00:55:22,153
Speaker 4: I've sung, I've produced, I've, I've, I've been on albums.

1045
00:55:22,654 --> 00:55:25,613
Speaker 4: You may not know this, but I've written books. I've, uh,

1046
00:55:25,654 --> 00:55:33,533
Speaker 4: you know, uh, I love to just create. I just

1047
00:55:33,574 --> 00:55:38,513
Speaker 4: love to be creative. And so I'm sure there are multiple,

1048
00:55:38,714 --> 00:55:40,754
Speaker 4: if we believe in the multiverse, there are multiple timelines

1049
00:55:40,814 --> 00:55:45,493
Speaker 4: where I am off doing something else entirely. But I

1050
00:55:47,053 --> 00:55:50,424
Speaker 4: really am in a practice of like, I don't want

1051
00:55:50,473 --> 00:55:54,323
Speaker 4: my life to be any other than it is. Because

1052
00:55:54,344 --> 00:55:58,443
Speaker 4: I mean, I've learned so much and grown so much

1053
00:55:58,604 --> 00:56:04,304
Speaker 4: and in particular through the challenges and through doing this,

1054
00:56:04,473 --> 00:56:07,734
Speaker 4: it has taught me probably more about my identity and

1055
00:56:07,814 --> 00:56:10,493
Speaker 4: who I am by, and this is what I mean

1056
00:56:10,533 --> 00:56:13,413
Speaker 4: by learning through the duality, it's taught me more about

1057
00:56:13,453 --> 00:56:15,453
Speaker 4: my identity and who I am and what's meaningful to

1058
00:56:15,493 --> 00:56:18,904
Speaker 4: me and what my purpose is by having to serve

1059
00:56:19,004 --> 00:56:24,133
Speaker 4: somebody else's identity and Like, that's a sharper lens. Do

1060
00:56:24,174 --> 00:56:27,373
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And so, and it's a

1061
00:56:27,473 --> 00:56:31,433
Speaker 4: never-ending process, you know, until it ends.

1062
00:56:32,513 --> 00:56:34,714
Speaker 1: Until you die and your daughter just runs it into

1063
00:56:34,754 --> 00:56:35,373
Speaker 1: the ground.

1064
00:56:35,413 --> 00:56:40,334
Speaker 4: That's right. And then she just, yeah. But, you know,

1065
00:56:40,354 --> 00:56:42,814
Speaker 4: I mean, I truly believe, and it took me a

1066
00:56:42,814 --> 00:56:45,294
Speaker 4: really long time to get here, but I truly believe, like,

1067
00:56:45,594 --> 00:56:49,724
Speaker 4: I am my father's legacy. Like, in my body, in

1068
00:56:49,824 --> 00:56:50,744
Speaker 4: my soul.

1069
00:56:50,763 --> 00:56:51,133
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

1070
00:56:51,703 --> 00:56:56,174
Speaker 4: And my daughter is my legacy in her body, in

1071
00:56:56,274 --> 00:57:00,594
Speaker 4: her soul. And so there's nothing she actually has to do.

1072
00:57:01,254 --> 00:57:04,314
Speaker 4: And I think all the things that hopefully maybe I've

1073
00:57:04,334 --> 00:57:07,944
Speaker 4: been able to pass on to her are just through

1074
00:57:07,953 --> 00:57:13,363
Speaker 4: our shared experience and being lucky enough to be her

1075
00:57:13,404 --> 00:57:17,724
Speaker 4: guide in this lifetime. And that's enough. Like what she

1076
00:57:18,024 --> 00:57:21,914
Speaker 4: does with that, And even if she goes off and

1077
00:57:22,234 --> 00:57:26,414
Speaker 4: totally screws up in a lot of ways and whatever,

1078
00:57:27,834 --> 00:57:31,754
Speaker 4: that's all learning as far as I'm concerned. That's all

1079
00:57:31,794 --> 00:57:33,974
Speaker 4: your soul trying to figure something out.

1080
00:57:34,914 --> 00:57:38,654
Speaker 1: I feel like in talking to you about your dad,

1081
00:57:38,674 --> 00:57:41,814
Speaker 1: I also have to talk to you about your brother. Okay.

1082
00:57:43,614 --> 00:57:47,234
Speaker 1: Because I know that there are people out there, as

1083
00:57:47,274 --> 00:57:51,234
Speaker 1: you know, who feel as passionately about your brother as

1084
00:57:51,334 --> 00:57:52,494
Speaker 1: people feel about your dad.

1085
00:57:52,674 --> 00:57:52,944
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1086
00:57:53,284 --> 00:57:56,464
Speaker 1: And to honor them, I want to make sure that

1087
00:57:56,484 --> 00:57:59,084
Speaker 1: we also talk about that. Yeah. And also, when I

1088
00:57:59,124 --> 00:58:03,264
Speaker 1: think about that, I'm like, talk about you, a person

1089
00:58:03,284 --> 00:58:04,844
Speaker 1: who could just be under a blanket somewhere.

1090
00:58:04,864 --> 00:58:06,423
Speaker 4: I often am.

1091
00:58:06,664 --> 00:58:09,734
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is great. But just like... what is a

1092
00:58:09,774 --> 00:58:11,554
Speaker 1: human supposed to carry? You know?

1093
00:58:11,754 --> 00:58:11,974
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1094
00:58:12,204 --> 00:58:14,584
Speaker 1: You know, I think, I don't think we, because both

1095
00:58:14,624 --> 00:58:17,124
Speaker 1: of them are sort of pop culture figures of much

1096
00:58:17,184 --> 00:58:20,934
Speaker 1: renown and also sort of almost exist more as memes

1097
00:58:21,054 --> 00:58:25,144
Speaker 1: and posts and social media and tattoos and, and, if

1098
00:58:25,184 --> 00:58:28,184
Speaker 1: you're a teenage kid of a certain level of angst,

1099
00:58:28,264 --> 00:58:30,494
Speaker 1: you're gonna go down Brandon Lee alley, you know what

1100
00:58:30,514 --> 00:58:32,474
Speaker 1: I mean? Like you're gonna come across the crow and

1101
00:58:32,494 --> 00:58:35,634
Speaker 1: be like, yes, you know what I mean? That's another,

1102
00:58:35,654 --> 00:58:38,114
Speaker 1: he's wrath in that movie. Look at you tying it

1103
00:58:38,134 --> 00:58:41,034
Speaker 1: all together without me realizing it. And if you're, you know,

1104
00:58:41,354 --> 00:58:44,274
Speaker 1: that he is, he represents so much to some, to

1105
00:58:44,894 --> 00:58:49,834
Speaker 1: certain people. And also he's your, to me, he's your

1106
00:58:49,874 --> 00:58:52,573
Speaker 1: fucking brother. You know what I mean? And so there's

1107
00:58:52,614 --> 00:58:55,963
Speaker 1: times when I think about you Your dad, you've talked about,

1108
00:58:56,004 --> 00:58:57,133
Speaker 1: and please don't let me put words in your mouth,

1109
00:58:57,154 --> 00:58:59,154
Speaker 1: I've heard you say, I remember the feeling of being

1110
00:58:59,194 --> 00:59:02,394
Speaker 1: with him more than I remember him because you were four.

1111
00:59:02,554 --> 00:59:03,593
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1112
00:59:03,674 --> 00:59:07,014
Speaker 1: Which, again, that's gutting on its own right as a

1113
00:59:07,054 --> 00:59:09,034
Speaker 1: parent to think about that. And I think about the

1114
00:59:09,094 --> 00:59:11,464
Speaker 1: age of my kids and what they would remember about me.

1115
00:59:12,084 --> 00:59:13,404
Speaker 1: And you got your brother who you had for a

1116
00:59:13,424 --> 00:59:15,824
Speaker 1: long period of time, but certainly not long enough.

1117
00:59:16,064 --> 00:59:16,284
Speaker 2: No.

1118
00:59:16,444 --> 00:59:18,404
Speaker 1: And is also part of like Hollywood lore.

1119
00:59:18,764 --> 00:59:18,983
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1120
00:59:21,784 --> 00:59:24,764
Speaker 1: How do you hold all, because I think you get this,

1121
00:59:25,064 --> 00:59:27,304
Speaker 1: you sort of like, often when people approach you, they

1122
00:59:27,324 --> 00:59:28,604
Speaker 1: just want to talk about the shiny things.

1123
00:59:28,884 --> 00:59:30,104
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. Of course.

1124
00:59:30,304 --> 00:59:31,444
Speaker 1: And I started thinking about you, so I was like,

1125
00:59:32,124 --> 00:59:36,764
Speaker 1: how is this person holding, and you talk about your

1126
00:59:36,784 --> 00:59:38,224
Speaker 1: brother a little bit. She's talking about your brother like.

1127
00:59:38,484 --> 00:59:38,644
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1128
00:59:39,424 --> 00:59:41,464
Speaker 1: Holding all this is like, these are, this is my family.

1129
00:59:42,464 --> 00:59:47,923
Speaker 4: This is my family. Um, I will say, uh, I

1130
00:59:50,044 --> 00:59:56,624
Speaker 4: am capable of holding it. So it took me a

1131
00:59:56,644 --> 00:59:58,863
Speaker 4: long time to be able to say that out loud,

1132
01:00:01,284 --> 01:00:04,144
Speaker 4: but that's one of my gifts. Actually, I'm capable of

1133
01:00:04,184 --> 01:00:07,864
Speaker 4: holding it. It's not easy to do, but I am capable.

1134
01:00:07,924 --> 01:00:10,794
Speaker 4: It's like what my dad, was capable of doing was

1135
01:00:10,834 --> 01:00:12,984
Speaker 4: not easy to do, but he was capable of it.

1136
01:00:13,374 --> 01:00:16,334
Speaker 4: And I've had to work very hard. When it comes

1137
01:00:16,374 --> 01:00:19,324
Speaker 4: to my brother, it's actually really hard. I've been thinking

1138
01:00:19,344 --> 01:00:25,124
Speaker 4: about him a lot lately, actually. There's some stuff that

1139
01:00:25,284 --> 01:00:31,304
Speaker 4: I really want to do around him. His legacy is

1140
01:00:31,604 --> 01:00:36,883
Speaker 4: harder for me to figure out how to express. For

1141
01:00:36,924 --> 01:00:41,343
Speaker 4: a lot of reasons. The body of work isn't really there, right?

1142
01:00:42,114 --> 01:00:44,704
Speaker 4: Because the stuff my dad did was in the 60s

1143
01:00:44,744 --> 01:00:48,154
Speaker 4: and 70s, it's a lot looser. It's a lot easier

1144
01:00:48,194 --> 01:00:49,093
Speaker 4: to sort of work with.

1145
01:00:49,114 --> 01:00:50,814
Speaker 1: To navigate around.

1146
01:00:51,054 --> 01:00:51,193
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1147
01:00:51,374 --> 01:00:54,394
Speaker 4: Whereas with Brandon, there were these movie studios that own

1148
01:00:54,414 --> 01:00:55,074
Speaker 4: these movies.

1149
01:00:55,174 --> 01:00:59,434
Speaker 1: That's what I think people don't understand. You can't just

1150
01:00:59,474 --> 01:01:01,633
Speaker 1: take the crow and put it on something. No, I cannot.

1151
01:01:01,654 --> 01:01:03,054
Speaker 1: You can't just make a t-shirt and go, this is

1152
01:01:03,094 --> 01:01:05,554
Speaker 1: my brother because that's the crow and that's owned by

1153
01:01:05,574 --> 01:01:05,954
Speaker 1: a studio.

1154
01:01:06,234 --> 01:01:10,804
Speaker 4: Yeah, although I will say on this podcast here that

1155
01:01:13,264 --> 01:01:16,804
Speaker 4: the people who own the Crow are supposed to pay

1156
01:01:17,304 --> 01:01:21,124
Speaker 4: Brandon's estate for merchandise that they create, and they have not.

1157
01:01:23,554 --> 01:01:28,634
Speaker 4: And that is something that I'm coming for them soon.

1158
01:01:29,074 --> 01:01:35,144
Speaker 4: But I have Bruce Lee fatigue. So I'm working on that.

1159
01:01:35,264 --> 01:01:36,463
Speaker 4: I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

1160
01:01:37,004 --> 01:01:41,784
Speaker 1: I can feel the like, again, it's the scene in

1161
01:01:41,804 --> 01:01:43,644
Speaker 1: the movie where it's like, I've tried to be cool.

1162
01:01:44,004 --> 01:01:44,284
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1163
01:01:44,744 --> 01:01:47,863
Speaker 1: And you've really, I'm going to have to come for you.

1164
01:01:48,184 --> 01:01:49,113
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1165
01:01:49,384 --> 01:01:51,774
Speaker 1: And I would rather not have to do this. Again,

1166
01:01:51,794 --> 01:01:53,214
Speaker 1: it's the same thing when you talk about Tarantino, same

1167
01:01:53,234 --> 01:01:55,214
Speaker 1: thing when you talk about your dad in every movie.

1168
01:01:55,514 --> 01:01:57,354
Speaker 1: If everybody could just be cool, I wouldn't have to

1169
01:01:57,414 --> 01:01:58,194
Speaker 1: beat everybody up.

1170
01:01:58,534 --> 01:01:58,633
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1171
01:01:59,454 --> 01:02:04,834
Speaker 1: And wow, to think about that, that you're like, I'm

1172
01:02:04,874 --> 01:02:07,483
Speaker 1: going to have to deal with this. And I'm going

1173
01:02:07,504 --> 01:02:09,323
Speaker 1: to deal with it. Because you could just be like, eh,

1174
01:02:09,964 --> 01:02:12,404
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight that fight. But you, as

1175
01:02:12,444 --> 01:02:15,504
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you come from a fighter. You are

1176
01:02:15,524 --> 01:02:18,124
Speaker 1: a fighter. It doesn't manifest the same way. And the

1177
01:02:18,164 --> 01:02:22,963
Speaker 1: people who own, who owe your brothers state money. Yeah. Well,

1178
01:02:22,984 --> 01:02:25,024
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I have to say this. I call

1179
01:02:25,064 --> 01:02:27,863
Speaker 1: myself often, I used to call myself a private in

1180
01:02:27,884 --> 01:02:30,414
Speaker 1: the Bruce Lee army. Yeah. I'm prepared to come with you.

1181
01:02:30,734 --> 01:02:33,774
Speaker 1: So if you need me to do any sort of

1182
01:02:33,894 --> 01:02:36,304
Speaker 1: public shaming or any sort of like, I am there,

1183
01:02:36,924 --> 01:02:39,924
Speaker 1: I am a hundred percent there. So I, I, I am,

1184
01:02:40,124 --> 01:02:43,164
Speaker 1: I am a part of, I feel very connected as

1185
01:02:43,224 --> 01:02:44,804
Speaker 1: I feel like the thing I can do for you.

1186
01:02:44,884 --> 01:02:46,184
Speaker 1: And I feel like I have is like, I'm the,

1187
01:02:46,404 --> 01:02:48,684
Speaker 1: I am often, I feel like the voice of all

1188
01:02:48,704 --> 01:02:50,843
Speaker 1: the Bruce Lee fans in one body. Not, not that

1189
01:02:51,104 --> 01:02:52,924
Speaker 1: certainly everybody feels fandom in a different way. Maybe I'll

1190
01:02:52,944 --> 01:02:55,403
Speaker 1: say the non-Asian Bruce Lee fans. I'll say that. Um,

1191
01:02:56,284 --> 01:03:00,454
Speaker 1: the non-Chinese Bruce Lee fans, but like, Like, what your

1192
01:03:00,934 --> 01:03:06,284
Speaker 1: dad has done for me, like, there's a reason why

1193
01:03:06,304 --> 01:03:07,863
Speaker 1: there's a picture of him back there. And, like, I

1194
01:03:07,884 --> 01:03:08,984
Speaker 1: told you, I got this story. Like, I was at

1195
01:03:09,004 --> 01:03:11,124
Speaker 1: the San Francisco Chronicle, and they were like, we know

1196
01:03:11,144 --> 01:03:13,903
Speaker 1: you're a fan of Bruce Lee. This is from the 70s. Yes,

1197
01:03:13,924 --> 01:03:16,844
Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'll take it. That, like, as a kid,

1198
01:03:16,904 --> 01:03:19,504
Speaker 1: only child, like, growing up, and, like, there was a

1199
01:03:19,544 --> 01:03:21,323
Speaker 1: point at which it was like, And I have a

1200
01:03:21,364 --> 01:03:22,944
Speaker 1: father and he's around and he doesn't want to hear

1201
01:03:22,964 --> 01:03:24,564
Speaker 1: me say something like this, but I was being raised

1202
01:03:24,644 --> 01:03:26,924
Speaker 1: by Bruce Lee. Like I was being like, that was

1203
01:03:27,284 --> 01:03:28,944
Speaker 1: one of the man figures in my life. You know

1204
01:03:28,964 --> 01:03:30,264
Speaker 1: what I mean? To like sort of teach me how

1205
01:03:30,284 --> 01:03:30,844
Speaker 1: to be a man.

1206
01:03:31,034 --> 01:03:31,354
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1207
01:03:31,454 --> 01:03:34,234
Speaker 1: So the idea, I feel a debt. I feel like

1208
01:03:34,274 --> 01:03:37,414
Speaker 1: I owe a cosmic debt. And to be associated with

1209
01:03:37,454 --> 01:03:38,994
Speaker 1: you is about if you need me to help you

1210
01:03:39,334 --> 01:03:41,924
Speaker 1: collect the other debts. I'm here to be one of

1211
01:03:41,964 --> 01:03:44,884
Speaker 1: the Magnificent Seven. I'm here to be one of the..

1212
01:03:45,004 --> 01:03:45,503
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1213
01:03:45,524 --> 01:03:48,534
Speaker 1: And thank you for sharing that with me. And I

1214
01:03:48,554 --> 01:03:51,034
Speaker 1: appreciate that because I know that it's got to be complicated.

1215
01:03:51,114 --> 01:03:54,573
Speaker 1: But I also don't want to in any way... I

1216
01:03:54,614 --> 01:03:57,534
Speaker 1: don't want to in any way downplay the fact that

1217
01:03:57,574 --> 01:03:59,734
Speaker 1: you're holding two things.

1218
01:04:00,674 --> 01:04:04,874
Speaker 4: Two things, yes. And I've been thinking a lot about

1219
01:04:04,894 --> 01:04:10,383
Speaker 4: Brandon lately. And really, I've been thinking about ways to...

1220
01:04:11,574 --> 01:04:13,593
Speaker 4: Let me let me put it this way. Maybe this

1221
01:04:13,674 --> 01:04:17,264
Speaker 4: is the easiest way to understand it, because, you know,

1222
01:04:17,324 --> 01:04:21,863
Speaker 4: people there are people out there who say things to

1223
01:04:21,904 --> 01:04:24,604
Speaker 4: me like, how dare you profit off of Bruce Lee?

1224
01:04:25,544 --> 01:04:29,343
Speaker 4: And I know I'm like, I mean, if anybody would

1225
01:04:29,424 --> 01:04:34,173
Speaker 4: want somebody to make money off of Bruce Lee, don't

1226
01:04:34,184 --> 01:04:35,494
Speaker 4: you think he would want it to be me?

1227
01:04:35,714 --> 01:04:35,934
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1228
01:04:35,994 --> 01:04:38,964
Speaker 1: Why do you think he was working that hard? You

1229
01:04:38,984 --> 01:04:41,383
Speaker 1: think he was like, I'm making this money, but I'm

1230
01:04:41,454 --> 01:04:44,394
Speaker 1: not sharing it with my family. Exactly.

1231
01:04:45,314 --> 01:04:47,794
Speaker 4: But I guess what I would say is what I

1232
01:04:48,254 --> 01:04:51,093
Speaker 4: ever want to do out in the world, whether it's

1233
01:04:51,134 --> 01:04:54,093
Speaker 4: for Bruce Lee or Brandon Lee, it's my way of

1234
01:04:54,154 --> 01:05:00,334
Speaker 4: expressing my love for them, honestly. And yes, obviously, it

1235
01:05:00,394 --> 01:05:04,244
Speaker 4: nurtures me in return. But that's also why I'm never

1236
01:05:04,284 --> 01:05:07,454
Speaker 4: going to do anything that doesn't feel like love. for

1237
01:05:07,474 --> 01:05:10,394
Speaker 4: them do you know what i mean and why i've

1238
01:05:10,474 --> 01:05:14,744
Speaker 4: turned down lots of deals and lots of money because

1239
01:05:15,074 --> 01:05:17,624
Speaker 4: it didn't it wasn't love do you know what i

1240
01:05:17,664 --> 01:05:19,904
Speaker 4: mean and that's why i have to get rid of

1241
01:05:19,984 --> 01:05:22,304
Speaker 4: people who aren't in it for the love you know

1242
01:05:22,484 --> 01:05:28,724
Speaker 4: it's like i i need people again like back to

1243
01:05:28,784 --> 01:05:31,164
Speaker 4: the earlier theme it's like i don't need people who

1244
01:05:31,464 --> 01:05:33,704
Speaker 4: are interested in supporting bruce lee actually people are interested

1245
01:05:33,724 --> 01:05:36,454
Speaker 4: supporting me that that's what i need yeah You know

1246
01:05:36,474 --> 01:05:42,684
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like as the steward of these things. And,

1247
01:05:43,384 --> 01:05:46,784
Speaker 4: you know, for Brandon, like the thing that just really

1248
01:05:46,844 --> 01:05:50,464
Speaker 4: gets my wrath bubbling around all of that is that

1249
01:05:51,344 --> 01:05:59,614
Speaker 4: you run such a sloppy and terrible set that you

1250
01:06:00,194 --> 01:06:06,014
Speaker 4: actually kill my brother and now you won't. Pay his

1251
01:06:06,114 --> 01:06:11,344
Speaker 4: estate royalties? Are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding

1252
01:06:11,364 --> 01:06:11,804
Speaker 4: me right now?

1253
01:06:30,084 --> 01:06:32,244
Speaker 1: Just the idea that you're not allowed to put your

1254
01:06:32,324 --> 01:06:34,034
Speaker 1: brother as the crow in a t-shirt.

1255
01:06:34,154 --> 01:06:34,554
Speaker 4: That's right.

1256
01:06:34,634 --> 01:06:37,133
Speaker 1: They're doing it and making money off of it and

1257
01:06:37,154 --> 01:06:40,613
Speaker 1: not paying his estate the percentage that he's rightfully owed.

1258
01:06:40,754 --> 01:06:41,334
Speaker 1: That's correct.

1259
01:06:42,574 --> 01:06:46,854
Speaker 4: Whoo! I mean, if that doesn't make you, not make

1260
01:06:46,894 --> 01:06:48,554
Speaker 4: you want to like kick someone in the teeth.

1261
01:06:48,754 --> 01:06:49,434
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's.

1262
01:06:49,594 --> 01:06:52,034
Speaker 4: You know, but I'm not a person who kicks people

1263
01:06:52,074 --> 01:06:52,594
Speaker 4: in the teeth.

1264
01:06:52,744 --> 01:06:55,494
Speaker 1: No, but you spiritually kicked them in the teeth.

1265
01:06:55,514 --> 01:06:56,784
Speaker 4: Spiritually and energetically.

1266
01:06:56,804 --> 01:07:00,044
Speaker 1: Tarantino after that Hollywood Reporter was like, oh, kicked him

1267
01:07:00,084 --> 01:07:00,523
Speaker 1: in the teeth.

1268
01:07:00,644 --> 01:07:01,664
Speaker 4: Oh, my tooth is loose.

1269
01:07:01,744 --> 01:07:03,864
Speaker 1: Have there been times, just to ask you, why is

1270
01:07:03,984 --> 01:07:06,823
Speaker 1: my tooth loose? Have there been times, because you talk

1271
01:07:06,844 --> 01:07:08,984
Speaker 1: about this like turn down money and things, and I'm sure.

1272
01:07:09,344 --> 01:07:11,624
Speaker 1: Have there been times when you've done things with your

1273
01:07:11,644 --> 01:07:13,944
Speaker 1: dad's legacy and later went like, ah, that was probably

1274
01:07:13,964 --> 01:07:14,774
Speaker 1: not the. Oh, 100%.

1275
01:07:14,754 --> 01:07:15,074
Speaker 2: Okay.

1276
01:07:15,094 --> 01:07:17,394
Speaker 4: Yeah, I make mistakes.

1277
01:07:17,474 --> 01:07:20,653
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm not thinking of anything in particular. I'm just like,

1278
01:07:20,954 --> 01:07:22,593
Speaker 1: I would imagine that like, I've done that with my

1279
01:07:22,654 --> 01:07:24,994
Speaker 1: own personal, like, why did I take that gig? But like,

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01:07:25,034 --> 01:07:27,093
Speaker 1: because also you're like, oh, I mean, you know, but

1281
01:07:27,134 --> 01:07:28,994
Speaker 1: you say there's been times you felt like that's not

1282
01:07:29,134 --> 01:07:31,684
Speaker 1: the best use of my, anything you want to mention?

1283
01:07:31,724 --> 01:07:33,284
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you.

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01:07:34,124 --> 01:07:38,204
Speaker 4: Well, I will. I mean, this is a really challenging

1285
01:07:38,504 --> 01:07:49,514
Speaker 4: area for me. Historically to date, We have a longstanding...

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01:07:50,594 --> 01:07:52,593
Speaker 4: And I'm curious about your opinion on this as part

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01:07:52,614 --> 01:07:53,434
Speaker 4: of the Bruce Lee Army.

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01:07:53,454 --> 01:07:56,674
Speaker 1: Okay, great. Happy to weigh in.

1289
01:07:57,234 --> 01:07:59,914
Speaker 4: We have a longstanding practice that we don't license my

1290
01:07:59,954 --> 01:08:03,354
Speaker 4: father's image for alcohol. Because my father didn't drink.

1291
01:08:03,374 --> 01:08:04,004
Speaker 1: But..

1292
01:08:09,224 --> 01:08:11,504
Speaker 4: A lot of people want to use this image for alcohol.

1293
01:08:11,544 --> 01:08:13,544
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1294
01:08:13,804 --> 01:08:16,664
Speaker 4: And we get asked often to do this.

1295
01:08:17,284 --> 01:08:19,204
Speaker 1: Was there ever a time you used this image for alcohol?

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01:08:19,804 --> 01:08:20,854
Speaker 4: So one time..

1297
01:08:20,724 --> 01:08:24,204
Speaker 1: Because I have a sort of a weird, like..

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01:08:26,224 --> 01:08:30,964
Speaker 4: So one time, we did do an ad for China only.

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01:08:31,184 --> 01:08:32,184
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah.

1300
01:08:32,244 --> 01:08:34,784
Speaker 4: For Johnny Walker Blue Label.

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01:08:36,124 --> 01:08:36,324
Speaker 3: And..

1302
01:08:36,944 --> 01:08:38,844
Speaker 4: We did the deal for a number of different reasons.

1303
01:08:38,924 --> 01:08:40,934
Speaker 4: It wasn't like I was just like, pay me the money,

1304
01:08:40,974 --> 01:08:46,754
Speaker 4: let's go. Yeah. We, they wanted to use CGI. This

1305
01:08:46,794 --> 01:08:51,404
Speaker 4: was before AI, right? And we get asked a lot, like,

1306
01:08:51,424 --> 01:08:54,224
Speaker 4: would you ever put Bruce, recreate Bruce Lee, especially now

1307
01:08:54,264 --> 01:08:55,064
Speaker 4: in this climate?

1308
01:08:55,264 --> 01:08:57,744
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially now when it's like, we could

1309
01:08:57,764 --> 01:08:58,404
Speaker 1: do it now.

1310
01:08:58,424 --> 01:09:00,224
Speaker 4: We're like, people are doing it now.

1311
01:09:00,304 --> 01:09:03,294
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I've seen some AI slop that featured Bruce

1312
01:09:03,374 --> 01:09:05,014
Speaker 1: Lee that I thought, oh, Shannon's going to hate this.

1313
01:09:05,034 --> 01:09:06,114
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do hate it.

1314
01:09:06,114 --> 01:09:07,874
Speaker 1: Okay, good. I'm glad we got that for the record too.

1315
01:09:08,514 --> 01:09:10,654
Speaker 4: And people send it to me and go, look, and

1316
01:09:10,694 --> 01:09:16,444
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to look. No, thank you.

1317
01:09:17,754 --> 01:09:21,524
Speaker 4: So we were interested in, they had the budget. They

1318
01:09:21,604 --> 01:09:24,624
Speaker 4: wanted to utilize technology. We're interested in seeing if it

1319
01:09:24,664 --> 01:09:29,604
Speaker 4: was possible. And we had very strict guidelines. He cannot

1320
01:09:29,664 --> 01:09:33,904
Speaker 4: be holding alcohol, drinking alcohol, like holding a bottle and

1321
01:09:33,924 --> 01:09:37,224
Speaker 4: being like, buy this alcohol, you know, like, so we

1322
01:09:37,264 --> 01:09:40,614
Speaker 4: have very strict guidelines and it was for China only.

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01:09:40,624 --> 01:09:44,594
Speaker 4: And so we went ahead and did it. And I

1324
01:09:44,714 --> 01:09:48,714
Speaker 4: actually don't have huge regret in terms of, we learned

1325
01:09:48,754 --> 01:09:52,904
Speaker 4: a lot. It was interesting. The CGI was, it was okay. But,

1326
01:09:55,364 --> 01:09:57,204
Speaker 4: but we took some flack for that. We took some

1327
01:09:57,244 --> 01:10:00,574
Speaker 4: heat for that. And, and, You know, I've talked to

1328
01:10:00,614 --> 01:10:02,354
Speaker 4: my mom about it. I've said, what do you think?

1329
01:10:02,734 --> 01:10:04,594
Speaker 4: And she said, well, you know, your dad didn't drink

1330
01:10:04,634 --> 01:10:07,014
Speaker 4: just because he worked out all the time.

1331
01:10:07,634 --> 01:10:09,894
Speaker 1: He wasn't like anti-people drinking.

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01:10:09,914 --> 01:10:14,004
Speaker 4: He wasn't anti-people drinking. And, you know, the rest of

1333
01:10:14,084 --> 01:10:17,904
Speaker 4: us in the family drink. Not a lot, but, you know.

1334
01:10:18,644 --> 01:10:21,564
Speaker 4: And he was... And, you know, there would be drinks

1335
01:10:21,724 --> 01:10:24,384
Speaker 4: out for celebrations and all that sort of thing. And

1336
01:10:24,464 --> 01:10:28,724
Speaker 4: so I really... I'm trying because we have people coming

1337
01:10:28,764 --> 01:10:32,664
Speaker 4: to us now wanting to do. And again, I feel

1338
01:10:32,724 --> 01:10:36,403
Speaker 4: very strongly like he can't be like drinking a beer

1339
01:10:36,504 --> 01:10:39,134
Speaker 4: or something. You know what I mean? Like that's not okay.

1340
01:10:39,514 --> 01:10:43,014
Speaker 4: But like, what's your feeling about it? Like, how do

1341
01:10:43,034 --> 01:10:44,334
Speaker 4: you feel about it? I'm curious.

1342
01:10:44,414 --> 01:10:46,414
Speaker 1: It's funny because I was funny because people, I remember

1343
01:10:46,494 --> 01:10:47,694
Speaker 1: when you start, when you start to do a podcast,

1344
01:10:47,734 --> 01:10:49,474
Speaker 1: people like, what do you, what ads are you, what

1345
01:10:49,634 --> 01:10:52,264
Speaker 1: sponsors will you not take on? Yeah. And for some reason,

1346
01:10:52,464 --> 01:10:56,564
Speaker 1: my image is so, goody two-shoes. They're like, obviously not alcohol.

1347
01:10:56,604 --> 01:11:01,874
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean obviously not alcohol? Because

1348
01:11:01,924 --> 01:11:06,134
Speaker 1: I don't have an image of out here. There's not

1349
01:11:06,154 --> 01:11:09,714
Speaker 1: a lot of footage of me drinking, I guess. But

1350
01:11:09,734 --> 01:11:12,954
Speaker 1: it's also like, I'm not saying people can't drink if

1351
01:11:12,974 --> 01:11:14,654
Speaker 1: they want to drink. And also, I have drinks in

1352
01:11:14,674 --> 01:11:19,364
Speaker 1: my house. I just think it's funny. I live in California.

1353
01:11:19,404 --> 01:11:23,124
Speaker 1: We drink wine for breakfast. But here's what I think.

1354
01:11:23,224 --> 01:11:25,684
Speaker 1: Whenever a friend of mine asked me a similar question

1355
01:11:25,704 --> 01:11:28,104
Speaker 1: about somebody's offering me a bunch of money for a gig,

1356
01:11:29,404 --> 01:11:32,264
Speaker 1: but the people offering the money are like having, are

1357
01:11:32,304 --> 01:11:35,073
Speaker 1: basically getting pilloried in the press for the X, Y,

1358
01:11:35,084 --> 01:11:36,884
Speaker 1: and Z. And they were like, it's not a small

1359
01:11:36,904 --> 01:11:39,484
Speaker 1: bag of money, but it's also not so much money

1360
01:11:39,504 --> 01:11:41,294
Speaker 1: that I, that it decision makes itself.

1361
01:11:41,624 --> 01:11:41,834
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1362
01:11:42,314 --> 01:11:44,854
Speaker 1: And I was, and I told him, I was like, look, I,

1363
01:11:45,494 --> 01:11:46,634
Speaker 1: I'm never going to not love you.

1364
01:11:46,654 --> 01:11:47,314
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1365
01:11:47,414 --> 01:11:49,654
Speaker 1: I don't know what your financial situation is. I don't

1366
01:11:49,674 --> 01:11:51,094
Speaker 1: know what that money is going to do for you

1367
01:11:51,154 --> 01:11:52,634
Speaker 1: or that you have that, you know, you may, I

1368
01:11:53,294 --> 01:11:56,364
Speaker 1: get this or whatever. But you also just, you're going

1369
01:11:56,444 --> 01:11:59,004
Speaker 1: to take some heat. Yeah. Is it worth taking the

1370
01:11:59,044 --> 01:11:59,784
Speaker 1: heat you're going to take?

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01:12:00,104 --> 01:12:02,304
Speaker 4: I can't even remember which alcohol brand it was. But

1372
01:12:02,344 --> 01:12:05,364
Speaker 4: some alcohol brand came to us and said, we're doing

1373
01:12:05,524 --> 01:12:11,854
Speaker 4: this campaign where it's like great conversations you wish you

1374
01:12:11,874 --> 01:12:15,774
Speaker 4: could have had. And we're pairing people. We're asking people,

1375
01:12:16,054 --> 01:12:18,334
Speaker 4: if you could sit down with anybody living or dead

1376
01:12:18,374 --> 01:12:22,974
Speaker 4: in history to have a conversation over a glass of whatever,

1377
01:12:22,994 --> 01:12:27,844
Speaker 4: who would it be? And I remember Spike Lee said

1378
01:12:27,924 --> 01:12:31,424
Speaker 4: Bruce Lee. And I remember saying like, oh, well, we

1379
01:12:31,444 --> 01:12:35,724
Speaker 4: don't license, just, we don't license Drago. And now I'm like, man,

1380
01:12:35,764 --> 01:12:38,194
Speaker 4: I kind of wish we'd done that. I want to

1381
01:12:38,254 --> 01:12:40,254
Speaker 4: know what conversation Spike Lee.

1382
01:12:40,134 --> 01:12:42,454
Speaker 1: Wanted to have with Bruce Lee.

1383
01:12:42,654 --> 01:12:43,534
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?

1384
01:12:43,634 --> 01:12:45,574
Speaker 1: No, I hear you. I think that like, we also

1385
01:12:45,614 --> 01:12:48,874
Speaker 1: live in a time when like, you know, it used

1386
01:12:48,894 --> 01:12:50,594
Speaker 1: to be that if anybody did a commercial, they were

1387
01:12:50,614 --> 01:12:53,134
Speaker 1: selling out. If any artist did a commercial and we don't,

1388
01:12:53,154 --> 01:12:55,114
Speaker 1: we're not out of time anymore. Now it's about being

1389
01:12:55,154 --> 01:12:59,124
Speaker 1: brand conscious. Like, you know, it's about sponsorships and hashtag ads.

1390
01:12:59,184 --> 01:13:02,964
Speaker 1: So I just think that like, I, I can totally

1391
01:13:03,004 --> 01:13:04,864
Speaker 1: imagine a universe where if your dad had lived that

1392
01:13:04,904 --> 01:13:07,264
Speaker 1: he would have endorsed alcohol at some point. Cause those

1393
01:13:07,284 --> 01:13:10,994
Speaker 1: were giant checks and it's hard, you know, and also

1394
01:13:11,044 --> 01:13:12,974
Speaker 1: like he would have made the commercial cool and it

1395
01:13:12,994 --> 01:13:15,154
Speaker 1: would have been, and you know, I don't drink, but

1396
01:13:15,194 --> 01:13:16,454
Speaker 1: if you need, you know, whatever, you know.

1397
01:13:16,494 --> 01:13:17,034
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1398
01:13:17,054 --> 01:13:18,474
Speaker 1: And maybe there's a point your dad might have had

1399
01:13:18,494 --> 01:13:20,674
Speaker 1: a couple drinks if he'd been a 50-year-old, like, you know,

1400
01:13:22,134 --> 01:13:24,004
Speaker 1: action star who's sort of like, it's not really doing,

1401
01:13:24,014 --> 01:13:25,244
Speaker 1: you know, my career's not, you know, whatever.

1402
01:13:25,264 --> 01:13:26,324
Speaker 4: If he had Bruce Lee exhaustion.

1403
01:13:26,364 --> 01:13:28,644
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bruce Lee, yeah, he would have Bruce Lee. So

1404
01:13:28,664 --> 01:13:32,104
Speaker 1: I can imagine all those things happening. I think you

1405
01:13:32,144 --> 01:13:34,484
Speaker 1: have to, like, there's a certain, I think baked into

1406
01:13:34,504 --> 01:13:37,864
Speaker 1: this is a certain, because you're the face of Bruce Lee,

1407
01:13:38,864 --> 01:13:40,784
Speaker 1: there's also just a certain baked in misogyny.

1408
01:13:41,284 --> 01:13:42,024
Speaker 4: Oh, 100%.

1409
01:13:42,024 --> 01:13:43,884
Speaker 1: That I don't have to explain to you. I don't

1410
01:13:43,914 --> 01:13:45,654
Speaker 1: have to mansplain misogyny to you.

1411
01:13:45,674 --> 01:13:46,094
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1412
01:13:46,134 --> 01:13:51,194
Speaker 1: That like if this was owned by a corporation where

1413
01:13:51,214 --> 01:13:53,234
Speaker 1: we didn't know who was making the decisions, it would

1414
01:13:53,254 --> 01:13:55,124
Speaker 1: be different than people going like, I'm going to go

1415
01:13:55,144 --> 01:13:56,144
Speaker 1: to her Instagram page.

1416
01:13:56,484 --> 01:13:57,264
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1417
01:13:58,604 --> 01:14:00,944
Speaker 1: And I'm going to talk to her directly. And I

1418
01:14:00,984 --> 01:14:04,004
Speaker 1: sort of feel scared for my friend. Yeah. Like, I

1419
01:14:04,064 --> 01:14:05,664
Speaker 1: don't want my friend to go through that. Yeah.

1420
01:14:05,804 --> 01:14:07,794
Speaker 4: Well, and by the way, I'm not stating here that

1421
01:14:07,834 --> 01:14:11,294
Speaker 4: we're going to start licensing for super alcohol, but it's

1422
01:14:11,374 --> 01:14:13,814
Speaker 4: just interesting, right? It for sure is. These are the

1423
01:14:13,834 --> 01:14:16,474
Speaker 4: types of things I have to think about all the time.

1424
01:14:16,634 --> 01:14:19,764
Speaker 4: And it is an area where... I mean, you asked

1425
01:14:19,804 --> 01:14:21,584
Speaker 4: me about, you know, if there were ever things you'd

1426
01:14:21,604 --> 01:14:24,004
Speaker 4: done that you kind of were like, and I remember

1427
01:14:24,164 --> 01:14:27,394
Speaker 4: very clearly after that feeling like, man, I wish we

1428
01:14:27,434 --> 01:14:28,114
Speaker 4: hadn't done that.

1429
01:14:28,154 --> 01:14:30,514
Speaker 1: Yeah. You mean the one in China?

1430
01:14:31,434 --> 01:14:31,794
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1431
01:14:31,894 --> 01:14:35,514
Speaker 1: No, I'm glad we talked about that because I don't,

1432
01:14:35,674 --> 01:14:37,114
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to bring it up specifically, but like

1433
01:14:37,214 --> 01:14:39,354
Speaker 1: I was like, because I wondered, I have wondered about that.

1434
01:14:39,394 --> 01:14:41,534
Speaker 1: But again, I didn't go, I'm going to stop talking

1435
01:14:41,554 --> 01:14:42,974
Speaker 1: to her because I saw that commercial she did. I

1436
01:14:42,994 --> 01:14:44,584
Speaker 1: didn't know about that. Now that I know about that,

1437
01:14:44,594 --> 01:14:46,604
Speaker 1: I feel totally different about her because I just think

1438
01:14:46,624 --> 01:14:49,964
Speaker 1: that like, So here, now let's do this. What is

1439
01:14:49,974 --> 01:14:54,323
Speaker 1: the project of your dad's that you feel like people

1440
01:14:54,464 --> 01:14:57,284
Speaker 1: don't engage with enough when they're talking about your dad?

1441
01:14:57,984 --> 01:15:01,164
Speaker 4: There's an easy answer. That's not a fun answer, a

1442
01:15:01,204 --> 01:15:04,864
Speaker 4: great answer. But I really wish people would spend more

1443
01:15:04,904 --> 01:15:08,323
Speaker 4: time with his writings because I think that's really where

1444
01:15:08,344 --> 01:15:13,464
Speaker 4: the goodness is, like where all of what you see

1445
01:15:13,524 --> 01:15:16,484
Speaker 4: on the screen actually is, the root is there.

1446
01:15:17,664 --> 01:15:20,534
Speaker 1: Which writing specifically? Is there like a..

1447
01:15:21,044 --> 01:15:24,104
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, you know, we've published a bunch of

1448
01:15:25,684 --> 01:15:31,594
Speaker 4: his writings. You know, I really wish people would read

1449
01:15:31,974 --> 01:15:35,434
Speaker 4: my book, Be Water My Friend, because it's not for

1450
01:15:35,474 --> 01:15:37,654
Speaker 4: martial artists or Bruce Lee fans. It's for human beings.

1451
01:15:39,034 --> 01:15:41,274
Speaker 4: And it really puts forth his philosophy in a particular way.

1452
01:15:41,864 --> 01:15:45,124
Speaker 4: But I think if I were to say there's one,

1453
01:15:45,644 --> 01:15:51,554
Speaker 4: it's so hard because his performances in the films are

1454
01:15:51,674 --> 01:15:55,834
Speaker 4: really worth watching because there's something you cannot deny.

1455
01:15:56,654 --> 01:16:00,734
Speaker 1: It's not an accident that he became an international superstar.

1456
01:16:00,754 --> 01:16:05,224
Speaker 4: That's right. What is there on celluloid is inexpressible in words.

1457
01:16:05,284 --> 01:16:10,424
Speaker 4: It can only be experienced. So I really do think

1458
01:16:10,484 --> 01:16:13,284
Speaker 4: that watching End of the Dragon or watching..

1459
01:16:13,524 --> 01:16:15,084
Speaker 1: Okay, now you only get to pick one. I'm going

1460
01:16:15,114 --> 01:16:16,594
Speaker 1: to make this hard on you. You only get to

1461
01:16:16,614 --> 01:16:18,354
Speaker 1: pick one. I know my one. I have an answer,

1462
01:16:18,394 --> 01:16:20,834
Speaker 1: but maybe that's because I'm... better at bruce lee than

1463
01:16:20,874 --> 01:16:26,004
Speaker 1: you are probably i mean you know i've studied a

1464
01:16:26,044 --> 01:16:31,984
Speaker 1: lot shannon uh i'm being being like probably 30 of

1465
01:16:32,024 --> 01:16:35,264
Speaker 1: the men who approach you let me.

1466
01:16:35,204 --> 01:16:38,564
Speaker 4: Tell you about your dad yeah um i mean the

1467
01:16:38,584 --> 01:16:40,584
Speaker 4: truth of the matter is i don't consider myself a

1468
01:16:40,624 --> 01:16:43,774
Speaker 4: bruce lee historian i don't i don't i'm not interested

1469
01:16:43,894 --> 01:16:47,624
Speaker 4: for sure um i'm interested in just like Keeping the

1470
01:16:47,824 --> 01:16:50,744
Speaker 4: energy alive, right? So that's a different thing. And it's

1471
01:16:50,764 --> 01:16:53,924
Speaker 4: something that I feel. The movies are an interesting thing

1472
01:16:53,964 --> 01:17:01,024
Speaker 4: because I used to always say Enter the Dragon. And

1473
01:17:01,344 --> 01:17:06,624
Speaker 4: the reason was because I really, it's in his voice.

1474
01:17:06,714 --> 01:17:09,844
Speaker 4: It's in English. I love some of the scenes in

1475
01:17:09,864 --> 01:17:12,704
Speaker 4: that movie. They're just iconic and so good.

1476
01:17:12,724 --> 01:17:14,214
Speaker 1: It's where a lot of the iconography comes from.

1477
01:17:14,264 --> 01:17:16,274
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's where a lot of the iconography comes from,

1478
01:17:16,434 --> 01:17:16,674
Speaker 4: for sure.

1479
01:17:16,694 --> 01:17:18,274
Speaker 1: I mean, that photo is an inner dragon photo.

1480
01:17:18,314 --> 01:17:21,974
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. And Lao's time, the philosophy, like art of

1481
01:17:22,034 --> 01:17:24,714
Speaker 4: fighting without fighting, like I just love it. You know

1482
01:17:24,734 --> 01:17:25,314
Speaker 4: what I mean?

1483
01:17:25,354 --> 01:17:25,774
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1484
01:17:26,014 --> 01:17:28,943
Speaker 4: And some of the expressions, and I just love it.

1485
01:17:30,024 --> 01:17:33,764
Speaker 4: So I do love that film. But more and more

1486
01:17:33,884 --> 01:17:40,324
Speaker 4: over time, I'm really leaning into... Fist of Fury, the

1487
01:17:40,384 --> 01:17:44,884
Speaker 4: one in the Japanese dojo. Because I just, I just,

1488
01:17:47,144 --> 01:17:50,384
Speaker 4: there's something about him in that movie. He like almost

1489
01:17:51,404 --> 01:17:56,704
Speaker 4: shimmers on screen. And you're like, why is that dude shiny?

1490
01:17:57,884 --> 01:17:59,464
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, why can't I not?

1491
01:18:00,444 --> 01:18:02,944
Speaker 4: Take my eye off that guy. And his sense of

1492
01:18:03,024 --> 01:18:04,404
Speaker 4: humor is in there.

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01:18:04,424 --> 01:18:04,504
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1494
01:18:04,644 --> 01:18:08,084
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of like, this guy likes Jerry Lewis. Yeah.

1495
01:18:08,184 --> 01:18:11,294
Speaker 4: And like he dresses up in costume. And then there's

1496
01:18:11,454 --> 01:18:15,734
Speaker 4: also like the fighting for the underdog, standing up for

1497
01:18:15,754 --> 01:18:19,594
Speaker 4: your culture, like all of that stuff. Like it's good.

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01:18:19,714 --> 01:18:21,534
Speaker 1: It brings us back to Wrath because that is a

1499
01:18:21,634 --> 01:18:23,754
Speaker 1: movie that is about wrath, about protection. It's about wrath.

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01:18:23,994 --> 01:18:24,454
Speaker 4: That's right.

1501
01:18:24,594 --> 01:18:26,194
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you, if you respect, you've

1502
01:18:26,234 --> 01:18:26,944
Speaker 1: picked the right movie.

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01:18:27,054 --> 01:18:27,374
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1504
01:18:29,024 --> 01:18:29,644
Speaker 1: Oh, thank God.

1505
01:18:29,684 --> 01:18:30,384
Speaker 4: I got it right.

1506
01:18:30,444 --> 01:18:33,004
Speaker 1: No, no. But it's funny. That's the one that I've

1507
01:18:33,024 --> 01:18:35,684
Speaker 1: been like, that's the one I will watch once a

1508
01:18:35,724 --> 01:18:38,044
Speaker 1: year or so because there is something so pure about

1509
01:18:38,104 --> 01:18:41,684
Speaker 1: his expression in that movie that he's sort of the

1510
01:18:41,744 --> 01:18:45,424
Speaker 1: limitations of that system they were shooting movies in over there.

1511
01:18:45,754 --> 01:18:47,894
Speaker 1: He's sort of superseding them in a way. He's sort

1512
01:18:47,934 --> 01:18:50,814
Speaker 1: of like, this is being shot cheaply. Nobody gives a

1513
01:18:50,814 --> 01:18:53,504
Speaker 1: shit about the script. And I am showing up every

1514
01:18:53,504 --> 01:18:56,394
Speaker 1: day Like I'm De Niro in Taxi Driver. like i

1515
01:18:56,454 --> 01:18:59,394
Speaker 1: am putting i am and then just the you know

1516
01:18:59,414 --> 01:19:01,914
Speaker 1: it has the iconic uh we are not sick men

1517
01:19:02,164 --> 01:19:04,524
Speaker 1: yes and he kicks the sign that says no chinese

1518
01:19:04,564 --> 01:19:06,284
Speaker 1: are done like there's just something about that that is

1519
01:19:06,324 --> 01:19:09,284
Speaker 1: like yeah that is the movie that defines him to

1520
01:19:09,324 --> 01:19:12,404
Speaker 1: me as like oh he was an anti-racist yeah that's

1521
01:19:12,424 --> 01:19:13,704
Speaker 1: the guy who's like that's the guy who's hanging out

1522
01:19:13,724 --> 01:19:16,904
Speaker 1: with jesse glover yeah in seattle and like and hanging

1523
01:19:16,924 --> 01:19:18,724
Speaker 1: out with the with a bunch of different types of

1524
01:19:18,744 --> 01:19:20,404
Speaker 1: people who's like let's all just figure this out.

1525
01:19:20,364 --> 01:19:24,264
Speaker 4: Together yeah Well, it's funny because recently a play debuted

1526
01:19:24,284 --> 01:19:27,164
Speaker 4: in Seattle at Seattle Children's Theater called Young Dragon, a

1527
01:19:27,254 --> 01:19:30,474
Speaker 4: Bruce Lee story. And it's an excellent play. It's only

1528
01:19:30,534 --> 01:19:33,994
Speaker 4: through March. Hopefully it will go on tour. It was

1529
01:19:34,034 --> 01:19:37,934
Speaker 4: supposed to transfer to the Kennedy Center. And they called

1530
01:19:37,994 --> 01:19:40,724
Speaker 4: me and they said, what do you think we should do?

1531
01:19:41,524 --> 01:19:43,124
Speaker 4: And what do you think your father would do? And

1532
01:19:43,164 --> 01:19:45,804
Speaker 4: I said, you mean the guy that kicked the no

1533
01:19:45,824 --> 01:19:52,784
Speaker 4: dogs are Chinese allowed sign? That guy? What do I

1534
01:19:52,824 --> 01:19:53,404
Speaker 4: think he would do?

1535
01:19:53,424 --> 01:20:05,534
Speaker 1: I didn't know why we needed to talk today, but that's, that's, that's, that, that, that,

1536
01:20:05,854 --> 01:20:07,194
Speaker 1: oh my God. Yeah.

1537
01:20:08,534 --> 01:20:11,064
Speaker 4: And I just said, and that's literally what I said,

1538
01:20:11,344 --> 01:20:14,574
Speaker 4: you know, and of course being me, I was like,

1539
01:20:14,654 --> 01:20:18,494
Speaker 4: I understand it's a difficult decision because the actors are

1540
01:20:18,694 --> 01:20:19,794
Speaker 4: paying the price for that.

1541
01:20:19,814 --> 01:20:20,094
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1542
01:20:20,274 --> 01:20:23,994
Speaker 4: They don't get to have that experience, extend that run.

1543
01:20:24,354 --> 01:20:26,694
Speaker 4: But they extended the run in Seattle so that they

1544
01:20:26,794 --> 01:20:28,524
Speaker 4: would be able to make up that pay.

1545
01:20:28,534 --> 01:20:29,314
Speaker 1: Do a certain number of performances.

1546
01:20:29,474 --> 01:20:31,334
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all that sort of stuff. And we're trying

1547
01:20:31,354 --> 01:20:33,794
Speaker 4: to get the show to go on tour. And in fact,

1548
01:20:33,894 --> 01:20:37,834
Speaker 4: because we withdrew from the Kennedy Center, we got a

1549
01:20:37,904 --> 01:20:42,284
Speaker 4: lot of support. actually. And so, well, you know.

1550
01:20:42,484 --> 01:20:44,304
Speaker 1: The Bay area has done a much better job in

1551
01:20:44,334 --> 01:20:46,574
Speaker 1: the last few years of recognizing your dad's presence there.

1552
01:20:46,734 --> 01:20:49,854
Speaker 1: There's an hour Bruce Lee street. There's now there's like,

1553
01:20:49,874 --> 01:20:52,134
Speaker 1: there's a, there's an exhibit in San Francisco. So make

1554
01:20:52,154 --> 01:20:53,394
Speaker 1: sure let's, let's bring it to the Bay.

1555
01:20:53,434 --> 01:20:54,954
Speaker 4: I'll be, we're working on it.

1556
01:20:55,014 --> 01:20:56,414
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm happy to be a part of that too.

1557
01:20:56,694 --> 01:21:00,334
Speaker 1: Remember me for you before I let you go. So

1558
01:21:01,604 --> 01:21:02,924
Speaker 1: we've talked about so much philosophy.

1559
01:21:03,184 --> 01:21:03,324
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1560
01:21:04,014 --> 01:21:06,094
Speaker 1: Is there, but I just ask everybody, is there one

1561
01:21:06,174 --> 01:21:08,294
Speaker 1: life lesson that you have learned or one piece of

1562
01:21:08,324 --> 01:21:11,264
Speaker 1: things that is like a mantra or something that occurs

1563
01:21:11,284 --> 01:21:13,404
Speaker 1: to you regularly that you're like, that's the thing that

1564
01:21:13,424 --> 01:21:14,824
Speaker 1: gets me out of bed or helps me get through

1565
01:21:14,844 --> 01:21:17,674
Speaker 1: tough times? Is there one? And I know I'm asking you,

1566
01:21:17,684 --> 01:21:20,084
Speaker 1: you're like the quote, but there are a million quotes

1567
01:21:20,114 --> 01:21:22,434
Speaker 1: circling through your head. Doesn't it be your dad's quote?

1568
01:21:22,474 --> 01:21:24,414
Speaker 1: Can it be your dad's quote? I'm just saying like,

1569
01:21:24,434 --> 01:21:27,834
Speaker 1: is there something that you're like, that's my like recurring

1570
01:21:27,894 --> 01:21:29,714
Speaker 1: lesson that I've learned or the thing that helps me

1571
01:21:29,774 --> 01:21:30,864
Speaker 1: move through difficult times?

1572
01:21:32,324 --> 01:21:34,104
Speaker 4: There are many things. It's hard to crystallize it down

1573
01:21:34,144 --> 01:21:37,784
Speaker 4: into one. I would say, because I'm like, the thing

1574
01:21:37,804 --> 01:21:39,504
Speaker 4: that gets me out of bed might be different from

1575
01:21:39,524 --> 01:21:41,764
Speaker 4: the thing that helps me face challenges. Although getting out

1576
01:21:41,804 --> 01:21:42,564
Speaker 4: of bed is a challenge.

1577
01:21:42,604 --> 01:21:47,684
Speaker 1: Yeah, no. My kids, I'll give you an example. I

1578
01:21:47,834 --> 01:21:53,474
Speaker 1: regularly walk around my house doing activities, singing to myself,

1579
01:21:54,354 --> 01:21:57,774
Speaker 1: I'm doing the best I can. I'm doing the best

1580
01:21:57,874 --> 01:22:01,264
Speaker 1: I can. And it's just a thing I say to myself.

1581
01:22:01,424 --> 01:22:02,653
Speaker 1: And I think I say it outside of the house.

1582
01:22:02,664 --> 01:22:04,224
Speaker 1: I just only hear it reflected back to me in

1583
01:22:04,264 --> 01:22:06,394
Speaker 1: my house. That is a thing to remind myself, you

1584
01:22:06,454 --> 01:22:10,274
Speaker 1: are doing the best you can. Just because you feel

1585
01:22:10,294 --> 01:22:12,634
Speaker 1: like things are falling apart or you can't, or you

1586
01:22:12,694 --> 01:22:16,094
Speaker 1: burnt the thing or you're tired or you're not going

1587
01:22:16,114 --> 01:22:18,894
Speaker 1: to get a chance to get this done. I'm doing

1588
01:22:18,954 --> 01:22:22,354
Speaker 1: the best I can. And it's an acknowledgement that that's

1589
01:22:22,414 --> 01:22:25,694
Speaker 1: a lot. So that's my, it's not the only thing

1590
01:22:25,714 --> 01:22:27,084
Speaker 1: I say, but it's the thing that occurs to me.

1591
01:22:27,534 --> 01:22:29,193
Speaker 1: As I'm moving through the world, I'm doing the best

1592
01:22:29,254 --> 01:22:31,414
Speaker 1: I can. And I sing it to myself. And there's verses.

1593
01:22:31,474 --> 01:22:32,274
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do all of them.

1594
01:22:32,414 --> 01:22:32,594
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1595
01:22:32,874 --> 01:22:36,034
Speaker 1: Ooh, there's a whole actual song. It's a song. Ooh, okay.

1596
01:22:36,194 --> 01:22:40,494
Speaker 4: Well, I look forward to hearing it later. I think

1597
01:22:40,614 --> 01:22:42,894
Speaker 4: it's probably a combination of a few things. But I

1598
01:22:42,914 --> 01:22:49,574
Speaker 4: would say I'm really taking it back to simplicity. Because

1599
01:22:50,954 --> 01:22:54,154
Speaker 4: the remedy for all the complexity is simplicity. Like when

1600
01:22:54,254 --> 01:23:00,234
Speaker 4: you feel overwhelmed. overwrought, overburdened, like you just go like, oh,

1601
01:23:00,294 --> 01:23:02,714
Speaker 4: I have to breathe. Oh, I have to go for

1602
01:23:02,734 --> 01:23:06,124
Speaker 4: a walk. Oh, I have to take a nap right now. Oh,

1603
01:23:06,174 --> 01:23:08,573
Speaker 4: I need to eat something. You know, like it's really

1604
01:23:08,614 --> 01:23:11,754
Speaker 4: like that. So all the stuff I do is pulling

1605
01:23:11,794 --> 01:23:14,234
Speaker 4: it back to simplicity. So I have a few of them.

1606
01:23:14,354 --> 01:23:19,944
Speaker 4: One of them is be here now. Like don't worry

1607
01:23:19,984 --> 01:23:23,464
Speaker 4: about wherever else is that you're not right now. Like

1608
01:23:23,524 --> 01:23:25,904
Speaker 4: be in this moment now. try to figure out what

1609
01:23:25,944 --> 01:23:29,454
Speaker 4: you want to do with this moment right now. Um,

1610
01:23:30,694 --> 01:23:36,234
Speaker 4: that's one of them. The other one is, um, I'm, uh, uh,

1611
01:23:39,434 --> 01:23:42,294
Speaker 4: really around my father's whole thing about the art of dying.

1612
01:23:42,314 --> 01:23:44,134
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about death a lot, not in a

1613
01:23:44,164 --> 01:23:47,364
Speaker 4: morbid way, but in a let that shit go kind

1614
01:23:47,564 --> 01:23:53,944
Speaker 4: of way and keep moving forward kind of way. Like, and, um,

1615
01:23:54,924 --> 01:24:01,744
Speaker 4: Let yourself live. Don't not let yourself live because you're

1616
01:24:01,784 --> 01:24:07,403
Speaker 4: afraid you're gonna die. You are gonna die. That's happening.

1617
01:24:08,504 --> 01:24:10,704
Speaker 1: That's happening. That's on the list of things to do

1618
01:24:10,724 --> 01:24:11,424
Speaker 1: that will get done.

1619
01:24:11,524 --> 01:24:14,444
Speaker 4: It will get done, whether I'm ready or not, you know?

1620
01:24:14,684 --> 01:24:18,964
Speaker 4: And so it's really just a like, and it's related

1621
01:24:19,064 --> 01:24:22,374
Speaker 4: to be here now, which is like, let the moment

1622
01:24:22,384 --> 01:24:27,224
Speaker 4: that just passed go. be here and like move forward and,

1623
01:24:27,504 --> 01:24:30,344
Speaker 4: and don't forget to live. Like don't, and, and don't

1624
01:24:30,384 --> 01:24:34,354
Speaker 4: be afraid to live. I mean, because truly, you know, um,

1625
01:24:35,494 --> 01:24:40,114
Speaker 4: we're all afraid to live to some degree.

1626
01:24:40,194 --> 01:24:42,514
Speaker 1: Especially right now. Yeah. Cause you're afraid, am I going

1627
01:24:42,534 --> 01:24:44,414
Speaker 1: to live or how's this going to work out or.

1628
01:24:44,774 --> 01:24:45,314
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1629
01:24:45,494 --> 01:24:48,354
Speaker 4: And then, and then the third piece is probably just faith,

1630
01:24:48,874 --> 01:24:53,174
Speaker 4: faith in, faith in the universe, faith in, Life, faith

1631
01:24:53,254 --> 01:24:56,494
Speaker 4: in nature, faith in my experience.

1632
01:24:56,694 --> 01:24:57,894
Speaker 1: The moral arc of the universe.

1633
01:24:58,514 --> 01:24:58,774
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1634
01:24:58,854 --> 01:24:59,854
Speaker 1: It's going to bend towards justice.

1635
01:25:00,134 --> 01:25:03,854
Speaker 4: Every time I think, oh my God, why is this happening?

1636
01:25:04,374 --> 01:25:07,854
Speaker 4: There's some gift that blossoms or some deeper understanding or

1637
01:25:07,874 --> 01:25:11,974
Speaker 4: knowing that blossoms out of it. And I just, and

1638
01:25:12,334 --> 01:25:15,844
Speaker 4: the more I step into life and meet life where

1639
01:25:15,904 --> 01:25:19,854
Speaker 4: it is, the more held I am by life. So I...

1640
01:25:20,784 --> 01:25:23,104
Speaker 4: I really am like, trust that you are held.

1641
01:25:24,004 --> 01:25:24,764
Speaker 1: Trust that you're held.

1642
01:25:24,824 --> 01:25:25,004
Speaker 2: Wow.

1643
01:25:25,044 --> 01:25:26,804
Speaker 1: You really, and then you said in the middle of that,

1644
01:25:26,824 --> 01:25:29,224
Speaker 1: you said the remedy for, you said in the middle

1645
01:25:29,244 --> 01:25:31,484
Speaker 1: of that, you said the remedy for complexity is simplicity,

1646
01:25:31,744 --> 01:25:33,164
Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's a thing you've read.

1647
01:25:33,204 --> 01:25:36,124
Speaker 1: Like I was like, that's, that's the whole thing right there.

1648
01:25:36,164 --> 01:25:38,374
Speaker 1: The remedy for complexity is simplicity. I was like, it's

1649
01:25:38,384 --> 01:25:43,054
Speaker 1: almost like a rap bar. Yeah. So just, I really, yeah.

1650
01:25:43,094 --> 01:25:45,514
Speaker 1: Like just take a moment.

1651
01:25:46,414 --> 01:25:49,194
Speaker 4: Yeah. When I feel like, Because we all have those

1652
01:25:49,234 --> 01:25:51,874
Speaker 4: moments like, oh, I can't handle all the emotions that

1653
01:25:51,894 --> 01:25:53,863
Speaker 4: are going on inside of me right now. Oh, my God.

1654
01:25:53,914 --> 01:25:55,894
Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, oh, that means I have to

1655
01:25:55,914 --> 01:25:59,534
Speaker 4: sit still. Close my eyes for a minute. I'm going

1656
01:25:59,554 --> 01:26:01,254
Speaker 4: to take a breath. I'm going to try to relax

1657
01:26:01,314 --> 01:26:04,374
Speaker 4: my shoulders. Like, it's literally that. You know what I'm saying?

1658
01:26:04,394 --> 01:26:08,794
Speaker 1: Yeah. Penultimate thing I'll ask you is what cause would

1659
01:26:08,824 --> 01:26:10,884
Speaker 1: you like people to know more about or support or

1660
01:26:10,924 --> 01:26:12,954
Speaker 1: look into or spread the word? Oh.

1661
01:26:15,254 --> 01:26:18,443
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because you gave me a slight heads

1662
01:26:18,514 --> 01:26:20,504
Speaker 4: up on this one, and I've been thinking about it

1663
01:26:20,524 --> 01:26:22,604
Speaker 4: a little bit. I'm not a big planner in terms

1664
01:26:22,624 --> 01:26:25,884
Speaker 4: of like this is what I'm going to say. Okay, fair.

1665
01:26:27,204 --> 01:26:32,624
Speaker 4: But I– and there's so many worthy causes, so many.

1666
01:26:32,964 --> 01:26:36,094
Speaker 4: Like it's so hard to choose one. And I'm in

1667
01:26:36,254 --> 01:26:40,874
Speaker 4: the charity nonprofit world. I have my own nonprofit, which

1668
01:26:40,914 --> 01:26:43,254
Speaker 4: is the Bruce Lee Foundation. And it works in the

1669
01:26:43,434 --> 01:26:50,034
Speaker 4: youth development mental health space, which I'm a huge supporter of.

1670
01:26:50,254 --> 01:26:53,884
Speaker 4: I went to see a film that my beautiful friend

1671
01:26:54,164 --> 01:26:56,584
Speaker 4: John Boogs did last night called Remedy in the Rhythm,

1672
01:26:56,924 --> 01:27:01,064
Speaker 4: which is a mental health dance piece. And they had

1673
01:27:01,264 --> 01:27:05,004
Speaker 4: someone from the Acoma Foundation speaking, which is a mental

1674
01:27:05,044 --> 01:27:07,954
Speaker 4: health organization that supports people of color.

1675
01:27:08,834 --> 01:27:09,044
Speaker 3: And..

1676
01:27:10,854 --> 01:27:16,444
Speaker 4: I really, so like, yes, my foundation, obviously, yay, please

1677
01:27:16,464 --> 01:27:18,404
Speaker 4: support my organization and the work that we do.

1678
01:27:18,404 --> 01:27:19,084
Speaker 2: Bruce Lee Foundation.

1679
01:27:19,124 --> 01:27:20,724
Speaker 4: We work with kids, BruceLeeFoundation.org.

1680
01:27:20,744 --> 01:27:21,744
Speaker 1: There's like Bruce Lee Camps.

1681
01:27:22,084 --> 01:27:24,584
Speaker 4: We do camps, we do after-school programs, and we're working

1682
01:27:24,744 --> 01:27:30,884
Speaker 4: on expanding what our offerings are. But also, I'm really

1683
01:27:30,944 --> 01:27:35,454
Speaker 4: just a supporter of mental health work in general because

1684
01:27:37,194 --> 01:27:41,674
Speaker 4: everything is perspective. Everything is being able to hold on

1685
01:27:41,754 --> 01:27:46,604
Speaker 4: to your perspective and actually be in charge of your

1686
01:27:46,664 --> 01:27:52,884
Speaker 4: perspective and be able to shift your perspective in challenging times.

1687
01:27:52,944 --> 01:27:56,844
Speaker 4: So even if your bodily health is failing or you're

1688
01:27:56,884 --> 01:27:58,714
Speaker 4: struggling with that, yes, of course, I want people to

1689
01:27:58,724 --> 01:28:02,854
Speaker 4: be physically well also, but how you perceive that in

1690
01:28:02,894 --> 01:28:09,604
Speaker 4: your mind, experience it, how you manage your emotions... All

1691
01:28:09,644 --> 01:28:13,944
Speaker 4: of that comes from this computer up here that we

1692
01:28:14,084 --> 01:28:18,124
Speaker 4: have the power to work with. I think a lot

1693
01:28:18,164 --> 01:28:20,954
Speaker 4: of people forget that. And I did a post about

1694
01:28:20,974 --> 01:28:23,634
Speaker 4: this recently. I'm not the person who came up with this.

1695
01:28:23,714 --> 01:28:25,874
Speaker 4: Somebody said it to me, and I really apologize. I

1696
01:28:25,914 --> 01:28:29,334
Speaker 4: can't remember who it was. But I shared it on

1697
01:28:29,754 --> 01:28:32,674
Speaker 4: my podcast. I have this little short-form podcast that I do.

1698
01:28:33,394 --> 01:28:38,854
Speaker 4: And the quote is, your thoughts are not facts. Like

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Speaker 4: we forget that we can train our mindset, that we

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01:28:44,024 --> 01:28:47,764
Speaker 4: can work it just like we can lift weights, you know?

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Speaker 4: And that's essentially what mental health is. is strengthening your

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Speaker 4: mind strengthening your mind your.

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Speaker 1: Mind doesn't turn on you or your mind doesn't lie

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01:28:58,884 --> 01:29:00,844
Speaker 1: to you or your yeah that you're and i think

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Speaker 1: you know yeah that's the strength so that you can

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Speaker 1: be better prepared for the twists and turns of.

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Speaker 4: This life Yeah. And there's, I'll name one more. There's

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Speaker 4: an awesome organization in the Bay Area called the Freedom

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Speaker 4: Community Clinic. They also do awesome work. There are so

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Speaker 4: many organizations.

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Speaker 1: But we got Bruce Lee Foundation. You said Acoma Foundation.

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Speaker 1: And the Freedom Community Clinic in the Bay. Well, I

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Speaker 1: like shutting out the Bay. They're all great. My last

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Speaker 1: question is like podcast is who's with me. Are you

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Speaker 1: with me?

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Speaker 4: I'm with you. I mean, you knew that already.

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Speaker 1: I just want to double check.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that was a rhetorical question.

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Speaker 1: Sort of, but I just want to make sure. It's

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Speaker 1: good to be reminded. I mean, the moment you said

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Speaker 1: you'd show up, I knew you were with me. I know.

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Speaker 4: Well, and as we explained, immediately I was like, of course.

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Speaker 4: But then I was like, okay, what are the logistics?

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Speaker 1: And every time I send the address, I'm like, Glendale,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Because I know everybody lives in

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Speaker 1: different places in LA. And then everybody who's agreed to

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01:29:58,834 --> 01:30:01,534
Speaker 1: do podcasts has then stayed with it when it's at Glendale.

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Speaker 1: So some people are like, yay. And some people are like, okay.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you a perfect example of everything we've been

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01:30:07,204 --> 01:30:10,364
Speaker 4: talking about right now. Mindset and the different things that

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Speaker 4: I work with. So I actually don't live that far

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Speaker 4: from Glendale. And so I was like, Glendale, that's easy.

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Speaker 4: But today, I had to go to the west side.

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01:30:21,344 --> 01:30:23,724
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, man, I have to go

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Speaker 4: to the west side and then I have to drive

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Speaker 4: all the way back to Glendale. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: I am really in a practice of any time my spirit, body,

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01:30:38,034 --> 01:30:43,654
Speaker 4: mind wants to go, ugh, to just be like, why?

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Speaker 4: Why put that on it? You just got, that's what,

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Speaker 4: you want to say yes to this or not? Yeah.

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01:30:49,094 --> 01:30:50,664
Speaker 4: You say yes, you just do it.

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Speaker 1: Then you do the thing you have to do. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for.

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01:30:53,584 --> 01:30:54,604
Speaker 4: Out of my love for you.

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01:30:54,784 --> 01:30:58,664
Speaker 1: Surviving the, thank you, out of the, and now I'm

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01:30:58,684 --> 01:31:01,184
Speaker 1: going to let you, because I, you know, your social

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01:31:01,224 --> 01:31:02,824
Speaker 1: battery has been used up for about an hour and

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01:31:02,864 --> 01:31:03,834
Speaker 1: a half. So I'm going to let you turn it

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Speaker 1: off and just power down. We'll just turn off the

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01:31:05,974 --> 01:31:09,794
Speaker 1: lights so you can just. Because I'm also an introvert,

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Speaker 1: so I understand that. Thank you for coming.

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01:31:12,294 --> 01:31:13,634
Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you for asking me.

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Speaker 1: So thank you again for listening to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Who's With Me with me, Debbie Kamau Bell. This was

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Speaker 1: episode 15 with Shannon Lee. Shannon mentioned some causes. She

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Speaker 1: was a big advocate for mental health. She talked about

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Speaker 1: the Acoma Project, which is A-A-K-O-M-A project.org. The Freedom Community Clinic,

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Speaker 1: which is Freedom Community Clinic, spelled exactly as you know

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Speaker 1: those words are spelled,. org. Both of those are about

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Speaker 1: mental health. Both of those serve communities of color and

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01:31:43,154 --> 01:31:46,354
Speaker 1: black communities. Uh, both of those are about healing and trauma,

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01:31:46,374 --> 01:31:48,454
Speaker 1: things that we don't pay enough attention to about mental

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Speaker 1: health issues in the black community and the communities of color.

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Speaker 1: It just talked about her foundation, the Bruce Lee foundation,

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01:31:54,174 --> 01:31:57,674
Speaker 1: which is about using her dad's legacy and his philosophies

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01:31:57,994 --> 01:32:00,474
Speaker 1: to promote his message through the world and to do

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01:32:00,514 --> 01:32:03,294
Speaker 1: good work in the world. So check out all those things. Uh,

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Speaker 1: thanks to rabbit grin productions. Thanks to Pushkin industries and

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01:32:06,944 --> 01:32:09,824
Speaker 1: who knows best productions, which is me and my wife.

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Speaker 1: And also, uh, there's a very nice person who, uh,

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01:32:13,074 --> 01:32:16,974
Speaker 1: has really been very generous in helping me do my

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Speaker 1: work very recently. In the last several years that I

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Speaker 1: don't say his name, because I don't know if he

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01:32:22,114 --> 01:32:24,014
Speaker 1: wants his name said, but I know he's listening, and

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01:32:24,054 --> 01:32:25,914
Speaker 1: he makes it possible for me to be here right

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01:32:25,954 --> 01:32:30,154
Speaker 1: now in this office and talking to you. And you

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01:32:30,194 --> 01:32:31,354
Speaker 1: know who you are, and I don't know if you

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01:32:31,374 --> 01:32:34,094
Speaker 1: want your name out there, but thank you, brother. I

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01:32:34,134 --> 01:32:38,204
Speaker 1: appreciate you. And I say brother, and you may be surprised,

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01:32:39,624 --> 01:32:42,314
Speaker 1: but he's my brother. All right. I really appreciate him.

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Speaker 1: A special thanks to Chris Dowd from Fishbone for the

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Speaker 1: theme music. Again, I say this every week, but it

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01:32:49,124 --> 01:32:53,264
Speaker 1: blows my mind that Fishbone, Chris Dowd, original member of Fishbone,

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01:32:53,664 --> 01:32:55,514
Speaker 1: has allowed me to use his song. It's not even

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01:32:55,554 --> 01:32:57,914
Speaker 1: available anywhere. Please put that song out because every time

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01:32:57,954 --> 01:33:00,034
Speaker 1: I post to the podcast on Instagram, I'm like, I

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01:33:00,074 --> 01:33:02,694
Speaker 1: want to use the theme song, but I can't. And

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Speaker 1: you out there who's listening right now, this is a

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01:33:04,414 --> 01:33:08,944
Speaker 1: big week for this. Do something good for yourself. Do

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01:33:09,044 --> 01:33:12,534
Speaker 1: something good for your community. and do something good for

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01:33:12,574 --> 01:33:15,814
Speaker 1: the world. And they can be little small things. Pay

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01:33:15,874 --> 01:33:19,194
Speaker 1: attention to holding the door for people or saying thank

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01:33:19,254 --> 01:33:22,943
Speaker 1: you or to nodding at people and saying good morning.

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01:33:23,424 --> 01:33:27,024
Speaker 1: And if you can't give money to something to help them,

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01:33:27,704 --> 01:33:30,004
Speaker 1: share the message. Put it up on your IG or

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01:33:30,024 --> 01:33:32,954
Speaker 1: your social media or call somebody and say hi. Check

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01:33:32,994 --> 01:33:36,114
Speaker 1: in on people. Do something good. We need as many

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01:33:36,134 --> 01:33:38,874
Speaker 1: of us at this point in this country's history actively

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01:33:38,914 --> 01:33:42,974
Speaker 1: doing something good regularly. to get us through whatever this is,

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Speaker 1: rising fascism. Anyway, I've been W. Kamau Bell. I'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you next week. Looking forward to it.