Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hey, what's up man?
Speaker 2: Ah, not too much. I didn't think I was going
Speaker 2: to get through. I tried calling earlier, and I was
Speaker 2: listening to a few other calls, but figure, I give
Speaker 2: it one last try.
Speaker 1: My week has been okay, you know. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about the caller who said that life is
Speaker 1: a spiral a lot, and I agree with that a lot.
Speaker 1: Like I think there's just like a lot of spiral.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of spiraling, but it's good. It's in
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like the analogy that like life
Speaker 1: is a spiral, but each time you go in the cycle,
Speaker 1: you gain a little bit more information, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean I think there's always something new
Speaker 2: to learn with every experience you go through, even if
Speaker 2: it's like a similar experience. You know, there's always something
Speaker 2: something new to get I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, what's up with you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Would you want to talk about today?
Speaker 2: So? You know, I always thought about what I would
Speaker 2: talk about if I were to get in the call,
Speaker 2: and I think one of the one story I'd love
Speaker 2: to share is so I grew up Mormon. I'm not
Speaker 2: Mormon anymore, but I like served a mission in the Philippines,
Speaker 2: and I was there's just one time that I ate
Speaker 2: dog and I didn't know that it was dog until
Speaker 2: after the fact. And I think about that a lot,
Speaker 2: Like I can't believe that somebody had bamboozeled me into
Speaker 2: eating like a dog and it was like it was
Speaker 2: a pet that they had for a while.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, how did they bamboozle you into eating a dog?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What did they present it as?
Speaker 2: So in the Philippines, they have this dish called chicken
Speaker 2: a dobo and it's it's really good. It's like this
Speaker 2: chicken that they put in soy sauce and it's got
Speaker 2: like all this other stuff in it. But it's like
Speaker 2: marinated chicken. And that's what they presented it. As we
Speaker 2: were visiting this like family that we would go to
Speaker 2: every week, and we have been there for I would say,
Speaker 2: like five weeks. Over the course of five weeks, he's
Speaker 2: been visiting them, and they told us about this birthday
Speaker 2: party and we, you know, we thought we'd stop by
Speaker 2: for a little bit get some food. Because the people
Speaker 2: they love celebrating whatever, and they always find an excuse
Speaker 2: to make a lot of food. And so when we
Speaker 2: get there, she sits us down, gets us a play
Speaker 2: of all the food and the chicken, the dobo, lupia ponset,
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and as we're eating, she like just
Speaker 2: sits next to us and she's just like, so, how
Speaker 2: is it? And we're like, you know, it's good, Like
Speaker 2: it's not out of the ordinary, it's it's really good food.
Speaker 2: And she had these like two dogs that we would
Speaker 2: constantly see whenever we would visit, but we'd only notice
Speaker 2: like one of them around. And then she like kind
Speaker 2: of ask us again, like so, like you know, like
Speaker 2: is there anything different about the chicken? And we're like, no,
Speaker 2: not really, and then she's like, well, have you noticed
Speaker 2: that this dog isn't hereious, he's not like walking around.
Speaker 2: We're like, you know, we actually have noticed it. And
Speaker 2: then she she looks at the plate and she's like
Speaker 2: do you want to know like what you're eating? And
Speaker 2: like is it not chicken? A double? And she's just
Speaker 2: smiles at us and it's like no, like that's that's dog.
Speaker 2: And we're just like already halfway through our plate and
Speaker 2: it's like I don't we didn't know how to process it.
Speaker 2: I kind of finished it because it was good. But wait,
Speaker 2: wait after the fact, I didn't really feel that good.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait you finished it.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna spit it out.
Speaker 3: In front of them.
Speaker 2: It wasn't bad, like really, I mean it was, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't bad. It was pretty well seasoned. Kind of
Speaker 2: crazy thing to say, but I can it was. It
Speaker 2: wasn't bad. I wouldn't eat it again because afterwards, like
Speaker 2: we're walking and like my body felt a little hot.
Speaker 2: Like the best way I can explain it is, you
Speaker 2: know when you kind of drink and like your like
Speaker 2: stomach gets a little warm and stuff like that. That's
Speaker 2: kind of how how it felt afterwards. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's because it's dog or something, but I didn't
Speaker 2: get sick or anything.
Speaker 1: Did you Did it taste like chicken.
Speaker 2: For the most part? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Interesting? So how okay? So how long was the period
Speaker 1: of time between when you found out and when you
Speaker 1: took the next bite?
Speaker 2: It was definitely like like a minute or two. We
Speaker 2: had to like we kind of looked at each other
Speaker 2: and we're just talking to her as she's like telling
Speaker 2: us what it is, and she gets up and leaves
Speaker 2: after like a few minutes after she told us, and
Speaker 2: so we're just like sitting there looking at each other.
Speaker 2: And so it was it was about within like five minutes.
Speaker 1: I'd say, what, did you have any hesitation before diving
Speaker 1: back in or were you like, no, this was pretty good.
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean I was thinking about how
Speaker 2: you know, we're eating like a dog, but also like
Speaker 2: it you know, when am I gonna have this again?
Speaker 2: Probably never? And I haven't. I haven't ever thought about
Speaker 2: eating the other dog.
Speaker 1: You haven't thought about eating a dog since.
Speaker 2: You know, can't say have.
Speaker 1: Are you still a Mormon?
Speaker 2: No? No, I haven't been Mormon for I say, like
Speaker 2: two and a half years.
Speaker 1: Wait you mentioned that earlier, didn't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was super brief.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And uh so wait, tell me about this mission,
Speaker 1: Like what were like what were you doing in the Philippines?
Speaker 1: Like who is this family?
Speaker 2: So the family that we were seeing. So like when
Speaker 2: you're more of a missionary, you're kind of just going
Speaker 2: around meeting people, trying to share your message of the church,
Speaker 2: and the main thing is like inviting them to either
Speaker 2: like read whatever you give them or get them to
Speaker 2: give them the church and stuff. And so we were
Speaker 2: like visiting this lady and her family for about five
Speaker 2: weeks at the time, and it's really just fit to
Speaker 2: share whatever we had planned for her, like if they
Speaker 2: ever had any questions about what we would give them
Speaker 2: to read, or if we had a specific message for
Speaker 2: them like that when we ate the dog, like that
Speaker 2: was just like a birthday party. She had invited us too.
Speaker 2: We weren't planning on sharing anything. We were just walking by.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we we were just visiting them, sharing whatever
Speaker 2: we had to share about God.
Speaker 1: Did you talk to this woman about God? Before or
Speaker 1: after she fed you the dog?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Before? After?
Speaker 1: Did she did? She did it? Did the message resonate
Speaker 1: with her?
Speaker 2: I think? So I didn't stay in the area long
Speaker 2: after that happened, because usually what happens is you'll stay
Speaker 2: in a specific area for anywhere between, Like we need
Speaker 2: a six months before you're transferred to a different area
Speaker 2: in your mission. So I was like in the middle
Speaker 2: part of Luzon, which is the main island in the Philippines.
Speaker 2: And so I was like in one area which is
Speaker 2: where she was living. And then soon after that I transferred.
Speaker 2: I got transferred to a different part of the of
Speaker 2: that area.
Speaker 1: M what's your life like now?
Speaker 2: What do you do, so it's it's pretty normal. I
Speaker 2: graduated from college in December, and I'm just a project manager.
Speaker 2: I work in Corporate America. So I'm just working, hanging
Speaker 2: out with friends, just trying to find new hobbies. I
Speaker 2: think recently I've been playing a Starting Valley and that's
Speaker 2: been a very fun one game.
Speaker 3: It picks up.
Speaker 2: I'm playing it whenever I take like my little dummies.
Speaker 1: Do do any of your corporate do any of your
Speaker 1: Corporate America homies know that you've et you've eaten a dog?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's come up. I don't think I
Speaker 2: haven't found the right time to tell them this. Right,
Speaker 2: We had a dog con to the office when I
Speaker 2: was new. A co worker's sister had like just adopted
Speaker 2: a puppy, and so that may or may not have
Speaker 2: been the best chance to bring that up, but I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 3: It probably would have been.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have brought it up. Then. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I probably don't like a new employee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you want to at least have like some
Speaker 1: you want to be in an executive position before you
Speaker 1: start talking about eating dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I'm leading meetings, you know, kind of thing,
Speaker 2: not Oh, this person just joined.
Speaker 1: What's your name again, Jason? Jason? Is there anything else
Speaker 1: you want to say to the people of the computer
Speaker 1: before we go or talk about or anything like that?
Speaker 2: You know, I would say just any kind of people, Uh,
Speaker 2: spread positivity. And you know, if you're craving a sweet
Speaker 2: treat today, go.
Speaker 3: And get it.
Speaker 2: It's Friday. We've all had a long week, so just
Speaker 2: enjoy it. You as well get it. There's a treat
Speaker 2: you've been wanting, go ahead and get it.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to eat a dog.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what if you want to, no one's
Speaker 2: told you that.
Speaker 1: I tell you, you know what, I actually before we
Speaker 1: I do actually think it is you know it is
Speaker 1: so funny is that it's weird to me and I
Speaker 1: participate in this thing that's weird to me, which is
Speaker 1: that like it's so shocking that you've eaten a dog, right,
Speaker 1: but like what we fucking eat so many chickens and
Speaker 1: cows and pigs and lambs and no one gives a
Speaker 1: fuck about them, you know, So I don't know, I
Speaker 1: got eat it. Like eating a dog is really not
Speaker 1: that different. Like there's no like you can't really there's
Speaker 1: no true, honest argument why it's should be okay to
Speaker 1: eat uh cowls and chickens and not dogs. There's really
Speaker 1: no good there's really no arguments for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like you think about other countries, like
Speaker 2: you know, Peru, they they're known for eating like guinea pig,
Speaker 2: and I mean I ate also some pretty crazy stuff
Speaker 2: on it, some things like I had fried fried crickets
Speaker 2: that aren't that bad either.
Speaker 1: Crickets sounds pretty.
Speaker 2: Cool, you know, Yeah, they're pretty crunchy.
Speaker 1: What did what did the dog did? Did we go
Speaker 1: into what the dog tastes? Like? Did I ask you
Speaker 1: that already?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's like it's they're pretty I mean, they taste kind
Speaker 2: of like chicken, but it's a little bit like it's
Speaker 2: not as soft as chicken, like think of it as
Speaker 2: like turkey, Like it's kind of thicker.
Speaker 1: Did you was there any sauce on it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like they served it as chicken adobo and
Speaker 2: so that's like the main thing is like soy sauce
Speaker 2: and they'll have like onions and garlic. Sometimes I'll add
Speaker 2: like slice of the pineapple to make it a little
Speaker 2: bit sweeter, but it's like, yeah, it's like the soy
Speaker 2: sauce kind of thing, but like you can't really tell,
Speaker 2: like because the main thing, it's like the color. It
Speaker 2: gets its color from the soy sauce.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm not gonna go out of my
Speaker 1: way to eat a dog. I don't think.
Speaker 2: Hey, but I mean, if it's it's presented, if it's.
Speaker 1: Presented as something, if it's if it's a situation like you,
Speaker 1: if it's presented as something else that I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, I would eat it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess I yeah, in the way like I would eat chicken.
Speaker 1: And so if you gave me something and told me
Speaker 1: if it was chicken, I would eat it. And then
Speaker 1: if later you told me it was dog, I don't
Speaker 1: think I would finish it, but I would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've just eaten eaten a dog.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't finish it, though, but I you know, I
Speaker 1: get you didn't want to be you didn't want to
Speaker 1: be rude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm the kind of firs and I
Speaker 2: just like to be able to say I've tried things,
Speaker 2: so like even if it's something that i've probably well
Speaker 2: you know, I mean to a good a good reason.
Speaker 2: But like for the most part, I try to try
Speaker 2: something at least once. So now that I've had that,
Speaker 2: and now that I know what it is, I don't
Speaker 2: think I'll ever actually go out of my way to
Speaker 2: have it, even if it's.
Speaker 1: Presented as dog thank you for calling, Jason, Thanks, Kex,
Speaker 1: have a good one. Do I don't know if I
Speaker 1: have any post call thoughts about that. I think I
Speaker 1: think that that call can simply stand as it is, Hello, Hi,
Speaker 1: what's up? Uh?
Speaker 4: Not much? Well, sort of a lot. Well, I'm glad
Speaker 4: I finally got through. I've been over every stream I've
Speaker 4: tried to call, so well, I don't know should I
Speaker 4: just start talking about what I want.
Speaker 3: To talk about?
Speaker 1: Or sure? Why not?
Speaker 4: Okay, So about two years ago I got into this
Speaker 4: relationship with this guy and he's fantastic, but he's quite
Speaker 4: a bit older than me, and that presents that presents
Speaker 4: quite a few problems for us. I don't really know
Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to do about it.
Speaker 1: What are these problems?
Speaker 4: I guess I guess one of the biggest parts is
Speaker 4: I want to be I want to be more part
Speaker 4: of his his life, you know, I want to meet
Speaker 4: his friends, his you know, his family and stuff. But
Speaker 4: it's it's it's hard for him because I'm so much
Speaker 4: younger than him, Like it's not like ten years he's like,
Speaker 4: he's he's sixty three and I'm so it's it's a
Speaker 4: pretty big gap in age. So I I get why
Speaker 4: it's hard. It's just it doesn't feel it feels weird
Speaker 4: whenever I whenever it comes up with his family or
Speaker 4: you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: How'd you meet this guy?
Speaker 4: We met online like a dating app.
Speaker 1: Okay, was it like? Was it was the date? It
Speaker 1: was this like the point of the dating app. It
Speaker 1: was like to meet like older guys.
Speaker 4: Like no, it's just sort of oh sorry, no, it's
Speaker 4: it's sort of just like people just all for all
Speaker 4: people meeting all people.
Speaker 1: How long have you been with this guy?
Speaker 4: Since January of twenty twenty four. Actually, one of the
Speaker 4: first dates that we went on, you know, out together,
Speaker 4: was to your show back in March You're in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh no shit, wait did we meet?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: No, we didn't meet. He wanted me to go up,
Speaker 4: but I didn't. I didn't have anything interesting to talk about.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember the show, but it
Speaker 4: was the show where like this guy came up and
Speaker 4: he played he played music. He oh, he was a
Speaker 4: web designer and he used the name like Sam Sariff
Speaker 4: or something Sam Sariff yep, and song was like way
Speaker 4: better than I thought it would be. I thought I
Speaker 4: was sort of expecting, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did remember that. I did remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well anyway, okay, so okay, I mean, so yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a fairly long time. It's about a
Speaker 1: year and a half and like is is and so
Speaker 1: what you met this guy when you were like nineteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is like a month before my birthday. So
Speaker 4: I was eighteen at the time.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I have thoughts, but I have quite I
Speaker 1: have more. I have more questions than thoughts. Uh so
Speaker 1: tell me this, Why do you want to be with
Speaker 1: this guy?
Speaker 4: Well, he's really nice, he's friendly, he's really funny. We
Speaker 4: we have a lot of the same interests. Uh we Yeah,
Speaker 4: we just have a really good time together. For the
Speaker 4: first for like the first ten months, it was a
Speaker 4: little weird. It was sort of like a problem for
Speaker 4: the first ten months that I didn't I didn't really
Speaker 4: talk about because it's it's also my only It's the
Speaker 4: only time I've ever even been in a relationship, so
Speaker 4: that makes it even more weird probably, But but like
Speaker 4: for the first ten months, it was more just like
Speaker 4: we were friends, and I didn't know how to bring
Speaker 4: up to him that I like, I sort of wanted more.
Speaker 4: So for like the first ten months, it it wasn't
Speaker 4: well for me, it was sort of like he was
Speaker 4: we were dating, but for him, it wasn't like fully
Speaker 4: we weren't together. It was more just like we were
Speaker 4: friends until I brought it up in like November last year,
Speaker 4: and that's when we decided to you know, be together.
Speaker 1: And so. But so you want like a full fledged
Speaker 1: relationship where he introduces you to all of his like
Speaker 1: friends and really integrates you into his life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've met parts of his family,
Speaker 4: But for his friends, he sort of has like two
Speaker 4: sections of friends. He has a of friends that's like
Speaker 4: his you know, his friends that are also you know,
Speaker 4: gays and stuff like that, and his friends that are
Speaker 4: so before he before he started, like you know, before
Speaker 4: like two thousand, he was he was married to a
Speaker 4: lady and he had like a kid and stuff, but
Speaker 4: he was he was gay the entire time, so it
Speaker 4: was sort of like so then they got divorced, and
Speaker 4: then he started living you know, gay outwards and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. So he's friends from before then friends after them.
Speaker 4: So for his friends before then, I think he thinks
Speaker 4: that they they would find it weird. And for a
Speaker 4: few friends from the other part of his life, he
Speaker 4: one of them would not find it very cool. If
Speaker 4: his if that was his partner, someone forty years younger
Speaker 4: than him. And then for his family, I've met his
Speaker 4: brother and his brother's wife and they're very friendly. But
Speaker 4: for family functions like Thanksgiving and Christmas, he thinks would
Speaker 4: be a little weird if his daughter and his dad
Speaker 4: found out, because his dad's like eighty three or something.
Speaker 1: So, So, did you give me your name or fake name? Ted?
Speaker 4: Well, that's my real name.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right whatever? Yeah, Ted's school. What's going
Speaker 1: on in the in like the rest of your life?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm really busy at work. Let's see. I play chess,
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of I guess I'm pretty boring
Speaker 4: outside of that, Yeah, not much. I guess.
Speaker 1: What have you told you? Have you talked to? Are
Speaker 1: you close with like your parents? Are you have like siblings.
Speaker 4: No, No, well, I don't have any siblings. The only
Speaker 4: family I have any us is my dad and uncle,
Speaker 4: and my dad's a truck driver and my uncle he
Speaker 4: lives somewhere here here in Colorado, but I don't I
Speaker 4: don't know where, So I guess I'm not really close
Speaker 4: to any family. Do you have friends, Yeah, I've I
Speaker 4: have friends, but I don't think I really have anyone
Speaker 4: I can talk to about it?
Speaker 1: Really, Like, why do you feel like you can't talk
Speaker 1: to your friends about this?
Speaker 4: Well, no one really knows that I'm I'm not you know,
Speaker 4: you know that I'm.
Speaker 1: Like that, so that you're that you're gay, That you're gay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I've never told anyone that before, So it's
Speaker 4: it's also weird for to tell someone that, yeah, m
Speaker 4: and then on top of that, it's like another level
Speaker 4: of even more weird because I'm I'm like actively pursuing
Speaker 4: a relationship with someone older than my grandfather.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So you don't have you don't have
Speaker 1: any friend, Like, nobody from your close friends or family
Speaker 1: knows that you're gay.
Speaker 4: No, no one knows.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, here's the thing I'm trying to because
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to get a full picture of your
Speaker 1: life to kind of understand, like what is drawing you to,
Speaker 1: uh want to like pursue this thing? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Because and the reason why is it? Because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not one hundred percent sure if whatever
Speaker 1: the underlying reason is that you're pursuing this thing, that
Speaker 1: this thing is the best cure of it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you mean.
Speaker 1: M have you like Okay, so this is like, like
Speaker 1: have you dated guys before? Have you like gone out
Speaker 1: on dates, if you like met connected with other dudes
Speaker 1: that aren't in their sixties?
Speaker 4: No, I haven't. I'm not really I don't know. It's weird,
Speaker 4: but I'm not really like interested in people my age.
Speaker 1: So why why is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't really thought about it. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just I don't find I don't find people my
Speaker 4: age very relatable. I can't I can't get along with
Speaker 4: them very much.
Speaker 1: Well, like for this with this guy right, like, where
Speaker 1: do you see it?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 1: Where would you see this going? You know?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean me and him are on the same
Speaker 4: page at this point, We're together talking about moving in
Speaker 4: together stuff like that, and so I mean, I see
Speaker 4: spending you know, the next twenty thirty years together, and
Speaker 4: I think I think he feels the same way.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 4: That this was his last relationship he did, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: he said that he sees us being together, you know,
Speaker 4: for the rest of his life, and I feel the
Speaker 4: same way. So I don't know. It sort of makes
Speaker 4: him sound weird, but well, I don't know. Because I'm
Speaker 4: so much younger, a lot of people would probably think
Speaker 4: that he's being predatory. But I mean I can say
Speaker 4: as the one experiencing it, I don't think. I mean,
Speaker 4: if anything, it's been sort of me that's pushed pushed
Speaker 4: it as far as it's been.
Speaker 1: Okay, So well I am. I mean, I'll say this
Speaker 1: is like I think when it comes to this kind
Speaker 1: of thing, that the my main concern. I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: what I would I'm thinking about what I would tell
Speaker 1: you if you were my son. I'm thinking about what
Speaker 1: I would tell you. My main concern is really this,
Speaker 1: right is like the the main issue with like a
Speaker 1: big age gapperlationship like this is more so that like
Speaker 1: you're it's like the age itself is like it's more
Speaker 1: that like you're in the process still of like building
Speaker 1: your own life, figuring out who you are, and like
Speaker 1: doing all of like you know, like I do you
Speaker 1: want Are you in college? Like do you have a
Speaker 1: stuff you wanted? Like you're like, you know, you sound
Speaker 1: like you're you're still like learning a lot about yourself.
Speaker 1: You're you know, you're you wanna eventually get to a
Speaker 1: point where like you know, you have a community of
Speaker 1: some kind, you have you know uh uh you know,
Speaker 1: non romantic relationships that you feel really uh comfortable with
Speaker 1: and involved in, and you know, you have your hobbies,
Speaker 1: you have You're really like you're you're very in the
Speaker 1: process still of like developing your life. And the problem,
Speaker 1: the the danger that I would see here is that
Speaker 1: this could kind of take time away from that process
Speaker 1: of continuing to develop yourself and put it towards like
Speaker 1: this guy and his life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so like you know, I try not
Speaker 1: to be in the business of telling other people what
Speaker 1: to do, but and you're gonna do whatever you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: But if you know, you want my my take on it,
Speaker 1: it's that like you know, if you're gonna navigate this situation.
Speaker 1: The thing that should be at the forefront of your
Speaker 1: brain is to be making sure that like this guy
Speaker 1: and this thing and these conflicts are not cutting in
Speaker 1: to mental energy that you should be spending on on
Speaker 1: like developing your own life. You got, you got what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Because also and also by the way, this
Speaker 1: ship can creep But this ship can creep up on
Speaker 1: you in ways you understand because even the like great
Speaker 1: because the fact that you're over here, like well, he
Speaker 1: hasn't introduced me to his uh you know, friends here
Speaker 1: or this and that, like you're like, you're like very
Speaker 1: very very subtly, this thing is already taking a lot
Speaker 1: of mental space from you. And you know, look, as
Speaker 1: a as a person with your own agency, you can
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you can decide what things you
Speaker 1: want to take up your mental space, right, but be
Speaker 1: really careful with like, be really really really selective and
Speaker 1: really think through deeply the things that you're allowed to
Speaker 1: uh take through your mental space because you're at a
Speaker 1: really critical time in your life. Yeah, so, like I
Speaker 1: don't know if getting into a thing with this guy
Speaker 1: who's kind of already lived his whole existence and like
Speaker 1: you're talking about twenty thirty years. I mean, shit, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna like how much of a you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, how much of a life can
Speaker 1: you really have with you know, someone in their eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties, right like you don't wanna, you don't wanna,
Speaker 1: you don't wanna like look back and be like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I was spending so much time like tending to this
Speaker 1: thing that and and you know what, and even and
Speaker 1: you know, you say here's the thing, you say like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm the one, uh pushing forward and I'm not even
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm not even here to like villainize this guy.
Speaker 3: But like.
Speaker 1: It you can just can just creep up on you,
Speaker 1: Like it could just the amount of time and energy
Speaker 1: that you spend on this shit cald just just creep
Speaker 1: up on you. So be really careful to make sure
Speaker 1: that because you might you might like go into this
Speaker 1: thing and then it falls apart and it just doesn't
Speaker 1: satisfy the goals that you have for your life. And
Speaker 1: then you look back and you're like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't really know if I believe in such a thing
Speaker 1: as like wasted time, but you might look back and
Speaker 1: be like, oh shit, I wish I would have spent
Speaker 1: the time that I was spending on this thing, on
Speaker 1: uh whatever, making what doing things that put me in
Speaker 1: rooms with other people that I could be friends with.
Speaker 1: You know, you say you don't like people you're in age,
Speaker 1: but like how many people you're on age have you
Speaker 1: fucking met? You know, like, what do you do? What
Speaker 1: do you what are you doing to put yourself out
Speaker 1: into the universe to even like be around enough other
Speaker 1: people to make that like, uh that that claim.
Speaker 4: Well, well, I'm around a lot of people my own age.
Speaker 4: I play a lot of chess tournaments. I play I
Speaker 4: don't know, three chess tournaments a month in person of course,
Speaker 4: So I mean I talk a lot of two people
Speaker 4: my age, and then of course during school, I talk
Speaker 4: to a lot of people my age. And it sounds
Speaker 4: like I'm trying to like justify, but I do. I
Speaker 4: am in a lot of communities that put me around
Speaker 4: people my age, and I have a lot of friends
Speaker 4: in person, I am. I do judo, so I have
Speaker 4: a lot of friends there. So it's sort of like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel like I've I've talked to
Speaker 4: a lot of people my age and I just don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but you understand what I'm saying, right, Like
Speaker 1: with uh one, you're needing to give yourself the space
Speaker 1: to like develop your own ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you mean.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, you didn't.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't think about it, like I'm putting so
Speaker 4: much energy towards it. It's sort of eating up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. And that's not even specific to
Speaker 1: your issue. That's just like this is like, uh bro,
Speaker 1: like things can things can uh think, things can really
Speaker 1: take up your mental time a lot without even noticing it.
Speaker 1: And if what you if your ultimate goal and also
Speaker 1: this is just so much like if your ultimate goal
Speaker 1: is like you want to find someone that like, you know,
Speaker 1: you get married and have kids and uh get be
Speaker 1: integrated into their life in the way that you're talking
Speaker 1: about like that. I believe that that exists out there
Speaker 1: for you. And there's clearly, uh a lot of frictional
Speaker 1: elements between you and that with this, so let me
Speaker 1: keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't consider It's just, yeah, it's been on my
Speaker 4: mind so much that I didn't think about that. It's
Speaker 4: been on my mind.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I don't know if that Yeah, yeah, noh,
Speaker 1: that makes perfect It makes perfect sense. Yeah, because when
Speaker 1: you're yeah, because when you're in the moment of that,
Speaker 1: you're not even like introspecting about it. You're just in it.
Speaker 1: You don't even realize that. Yeah, and yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that ship just just just know that that ship isn't free.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're right, Yep, I didn't think about it's okay, Ed, No, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're doing all right, Ted?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Hmm, I can I can keep talking. If there's anything
Speaker 1: else you wanna or like anything you want to talk
Speaker 1: through or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't think so. I think it's I think
Speaker 4: that's what I came here for.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, cool. Is there any other like aspect
Speaker 1: of this or anything else in general that you want
Speaker 1: to I want to talk about to get into before
Speaker 1: we go, Not.
Speaker 4: That I can think of. I mean, that's sort of
Speaker 4: the biggest thing.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, m.
Speaker 4: All right, man, So thank you.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to say to the people of
Speaker 1: the computer.
Speaker 4: Uh, not that I can think of.
Speaker 1: Have a good day, beautiful, take care of Ted, good luck.
Speaker 1: Do I have anything else to say about that?
Speaker 2: Call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't. I know, people have a lot
Speaker 1: of like and I crossed my you know, I I
Speaker 1: think I try. I try to like tell people what
Speaker 1: to fucking do. Although I do it all the time.
Speaker 1: I do it all like this so many times where
Speaker 1: I just flat out tell people what to do when
Speaker 1: I like, but it depends on the situation and the
Speaker 1: person's energy and like the conversation and shit, and like
Speaker 1: I sometimes I'm like, I just gotta tell, but I
Speaker 1: just feel like I need to tell people what to do.
Speaker 1: But the other times I'm like, no, let's you know,
Speaker 1: like let's just take this thing and like UH will arrive.
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about it and arrive at uh at
Speaker 1: an answer uh. Independently, also because I was keeping in
Speaker 1: mind the fact that this guy he hasn't, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's talked through this with anyone, because
Speaker 1: he's like not out, you know, and he's uh like
Speaker 1: this is like a singular thing.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope I hope Ted arrives at whatever conclusion
Speaker 1: UH feels feels productive for him. Should I say something funny?
Speaker 1: I don't have anything funny to say.
Speaker 3: All right, Geka what's up man, How you doing. I'm good.
Speaker 3: How wild to talk to you?
Speaker 1: You texted me, you said, I ate a guinea pig
Speaker 1: in Peru if you want to talk about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we went to Peru, which is the first
Speaker 3: part of that story. Obviously, there's a lot of restaurants
Speaker 3: that sell it, and I got it in a fancy
Speaker 3: restaurant and it was pretty good. It was pretty good.
Speaker 3: The restaurant was full of tourists who were like all going,
Speaker 3: and some like sixty year old gay German couple came
Speaker 3: up and wanted to take pictures of me eating it.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. If you've ever had a rabbit, it
Speaker 3: tastes the exact same.
Speaker 1: Would you eat a dog like the other caller.
Speaker 3: You know, it depends on how the dog was killed.
Speaker 3: I think that's really kind of the philosophical pivot where
Speaker 3: we're at on the ethics, right, Like if a dog
Speaker 3: was raised to be killed and eaten, no, But if
Speaker 3: it was like a cherished family pet that lived its
Speaker 3: entire life happily and it died in an accident, and
Speaker 3: the family wanted to honor the dog's memory by like
Speaker 3: serving it, I would eat that dog. What do you think,
Speaker 3: where are you at on this, Well.
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of talked about it in
Speaker 1: the other call about like I don't think that like
Speaker 1: like I guess, like, oh, well, I was just talking
Speaker 1: about like moral like morally if there's probably no real
Speaker 1: difference between those two. I still wouldn't need a dog.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to. I'm like good with the
Speaker 1: amount of chickens and cows and shit that I eat.
Speaker 1: But you texted me a bunch of shit.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: You talked about I.
Speaker 3: Text you every time you go live and I'm available
Speaker 3: because I don't know how this works. So yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a lot in there.
Speaker 1: You said, I'm trying to figure out how to protect
Speaker 1: my child from the apocalypse.
Speaker 3: We have one on the way. It's my first one,
Speaker 3: and I don't know. If I was going to self
Speaker 3: describe my viewpoint, it would be extremely like Doomer blackpilled.
Speaker 3: The world is going to heat up and we're all
Speaker 3: going to die in a war. So it's like I
Speaker 3: also texted you, I don't know how much of my
Speaker 3: view of the future is just like looking for a certainty,
Speaker 3: but from a negative way, because I don't like to
Speaker 3: handle the unknown. You know, but it's something I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, tell me more about your doomor black Pille
Speaker 1: ideology about the world.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't even know where to start, man. I
Speaker 3: know this is a podcast suicide to get into politics,
Speaker 3: so let's not even go there.
Speaker 1: But we can talk about whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Things are not looking good, especially in America and other
Speaker 3: parts of the world. But like, I don't know, climate
Speaker 3: change freaks me out. Man. I have too much I
Speaker 3: have too much education in ecology, and the way things
Speaker 3: are going is not sustainable and it doesn't look like
Speaker 3: anybody's turning it around anytime soon. So it's like, I
Speaker 3: feel like the collapse of the society that we have
Speaker 3: is just a question of when, not a question of if,
Speaker 3: you know, So it's like if it's in the next
Speaker 3: eighty years, And now I have to care about that
Speaker 3: because I have a kid on the way, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a lot to thing about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've thought about that, like if I you know,
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to have kids someday, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the future of the world and stuff.
Speaker 1: But here and you sound like you're more educated than
Speaker 1: I I'm not really uh. I mean I think a
Speaker 1: lot about the shit, and I talk to people and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but I'm not really formally educated in anything, so uh,
Speaker 1: this is all just like a me kind of trying
Speaker 1: to be a go ahead.
Speaker 3: I took it and ecology class, so it's not like
Speaker 3: I'm mister climate science, you know.
Speaker 1: So well, here's my thing, man. And I've talked about
Speaker 1: this on the show a little bit before, but like basically,
Speaker 1: and I was talking to one of my friends about
Speaker 1: this last night, is like, uh, the fact that we're
Speaker 1: living in unprecedented times is uh, all times have been unprecedented.
Speaker 3: Like that's true. I think about that a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's it's always been an unprecedented time. Like
Speaker 1: the specifics are always unprecedented, but I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: the specifics are unprecedented, but but things being unprecedented has
Speaker 1: been precedented for eternity, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: like yeah, and even like in America, right, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: look a bunch of people like being corrupt, consolidating power
Speaker 1: and uh trying to you know, like a few people
Speaker 1: trying to take as much power as they possibly can.
Speaker 1: That's like it's like human nature It's been happening forever
Speaker 1: in society.
Speaker 3: The problem and the novel thing is that we all
Speaker 3: fucking know about all of it now. You know.
Speaker 1: That is interesting, it is it is interesting. Yes, that
Speaker 1: is a new thing that we all know about now.
Speaker 1: It's a lot easier than it was back in like
Speaker 1: what a feudal days or whatever the fuck. Also even
Speaker 1: like ecological things, I'm like, well, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was the Black Death, there was been massive disease
Speaker 1: and uh meteors and weather like we've been through a lot.
Speaker 1: And with war it's like, bro, I mean we have
Speaker 1: you know, the fucking the world was at war twice.
Speaker 3: And we may have two hundred years. We may have
Speaker 3: two hundred years before it really hits the fand so
Speaker 3: like who who knows, you.
Speaker 1: Know, but you know, but I don't know, think about
Speaker 1: the well, think about like this, right, like maybe two
Speaker 1: hundred years humanity dies out and then maybe uh several
Speaker 1: million after that something else in pigs, Yeah, and tell
Speaker 1: guinea pigs and then they'll eat little whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: they eat and whatever into Yeah, I mean shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: for all we know. I mean, there could be life
Speaker 1: on another could be I don't know, it's just like, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. And I got into an
Speaker 1: argument and I was in an argument, was a discussion
Speaker 1: with somewhere. I'm like, I think, I like, I'll tell
Speaker 1: I'll tell people all this stuff and they'll be like
Speaker 1: saying that I'm coming at it from a point of apathy,
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I don't think that. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think that that means we shouldn't do anything.
Speaker 3: It's like you have to have a measured level of
Speaker 3: just caring about what you have control over and then
Speaker 3: filtering out all the rest of it. Right, it's not there.
Speaker 3: It's just like being reasonable. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, and you can also, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can protect your kid from the world in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, like you can talk to them and
Speaker 1: raise them and whatnot. But uh, you know they're gonna
Speaker 1: have struggle. I mean, I yeah, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot, like in terms
Speaker 1: of like if I want to have a kid, and
Speaker 1: like shit, like what the fuck is the world going
Speaker 1: to look like?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, Like I always thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, we thought social media would destroy everyone, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's done and it's taken a toll op question.
Speaker 3: Open question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your open question? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Though or not?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it's not a lot of it's
Speaker 1: not a lot of damage, but like, uh, there's still
Speaker 1: not actually, don't you know. I mean you go and
Speaker 1: go into a restaurant, there's people eating with each other
Speaker 1: and talking and you know, like all the stuff, like
Speaker 1: people have friends and like people still connect with each
Speaker 1: other and people still do stuff and make up like this.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that like the essentials of
Speaker 1: humanity are about to completely go away.
Speaker 3: Not yet. I don't think anytime soon, man. But I'm
Speaker 3: just thinking, like, if we truly have trouble having enough
Speaker 3: food and water for people, if that actually is how
Speaker 3: things go, at some point, there will be a lot
Speaker 3: of bad stuff happening. It's just like, yeah, how much
Speaker 3: martial arts do I teach my kid? Do I need
Speaker 3: to teach them how to build a generator? Or just
Speaker 3: teach them to be nice to people? In math?
Speaker 1: Like you know, Yeah, what's your what's your wife's take
Speaker 1: on all this ship?
Speaker 3: Oh, she's like not worried about it. She's like, you
Speaker 3: need to calm down. Your brain's just trying to find
Speaker 3: something to worry about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's so. Yeah, yeah, because I was, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was talking to someone about this, and you know, they
Speaker 1: were like, you're thinking too much about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much, pretty much, pretty much. But uh yeah,
Speaker 3: she's pretty levelheaded about most things. Yeah. Yeah, It's it's
Speaker 3: so strange to talk to you on the phone because
Speaker 3: I'm inclined to just listen because that's normally what I do.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 3: People run into this problem.
Speaker 1: Are you Are you excited to have a baby.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. I'm so excited. Yeah, It's it's sort
Speaker 3: of weird to like, it's still too early to like
Speaker 3: tell anybody. Only one of my friends knows. None of
Speaker 3: our families know, so it's like it's not real yet.
Speaker 1: But it's just like wait, wait wait, none of your
Speaker 1: family knows.
Speaker 3: No, no, we don't want to have to deal with
Speaker 3: that shit until wait, you're.
Speaker 1: Telling me that I know that you're having a kid
Speaker 1: before your parents do.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can tell the internet anything. You're just the
Speaker 3: Internet lyle true.
Speaker 1: Interesting, when are they going to find out?
Speaker 3: We're gonna we have another obgui n appointment this month.
Speaker 3: We're going to do some genetic testing, just to make
Speaker 3: sure everything's above board because we're both thirty five thirty six,
Speaker 3: and uh, we'll learn the gender, no ceremony about it,
Speaker 3: and we'll let people know. Yeah, just give it more
Speaker 3: time because like the probability of stuff going wrong with
Speaker 3: the pregnancy dramatically decreased as it goes along. So we're
Speaker 3: just getting past the first part of it, and so
Speaker 3: we don't have to tell people if anything happens, you know,
Speaker 3: all that it's wild man.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, so you it sounds like your wife is less
Speaker 1: anxious about the whole thing than you are.
Speaker 3: She's less anxious about the world falling apart, but probably
Speaker 3: more anxious about things in closer proximity to our actual lives,
Speaker 3: like what are we gonna do with the bed that?
Speaker 3: You know, Like, what are we gonna do with all
Speaker 3: this stuff in the room we have to put the
Speaker 3: baby in, Like, and I'm just like not thinking about
Speaker 3: any of that and just like often some reality that's
Speaker 3: not even here interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like that too. I'm like that too, you know,
Speaker 1: where like yeah, I'll be with someone and they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, really grounded in reality of like the day,
Speaker 1: Like what are we gonna eat today and I'm like
Speaker 1: off the off thinking about some crazy existential crap. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's how Yeah, I really, I don't laugh.
Speaker 1: I even I've talked about it's the fucking depth on here,
Speaker 1: But like I just I don't like it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man. I think it has its place.
Speaker 3: I think it has its place because you can, like,
Speaker 3: you know, she'll get all freaked out if she's sick
Speaker 3: and like can't handle, like, oh the kitchen, it's messy.
Speaker 3: It drives her nuts. But it's like I could survive
Speaker 3: in a whirlwind. I would be worried about what's going
Speaker 3: to happen in another twenty years, you know. So like
Speaker 3: for dealing with direct day to day problems, I feel
Speaker 3: like it keeps your head more level. It's just like
Speaker 3: you waste a lot of time being worried about shit.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You also texted me saying it's you also text me
Speaker 1: saying it's pull a rat out of the wall kind
Speaker 1: of a day.
Speaker 3: What is that? Man? I work in pest control, so
Speaker 3: we do a lot of rat work. We trap and
Speaker 3: kill a lot of rats, keep a lot of rats
Speaker 3: out of buildings. And I had some traps that were
Speaker 3: too close to a wall boy a drop ceiling, and
Speaker 3: it got caught overnight and did some kind of backflip
Speaker 3: into the wall and dropped down fifteen feet and was
Speaker 3: starting to stink up the building. So I had to
Speaker 3: go out there and do something with a tape measure
Speaker 3: and zip ties and sticky boards and lower the tape
Speaker 3: measure down into the wall and pull the rat out.
Speaker 3: I deal with a lot of dead rodents outside of
Speaker 3: Peru too. It's kind of gross, but I guess it
Speaker 3: kind of primed me to eat one.
Speaker 1: What's the best part about working in pest control? Would
Speaker 1: you say?
Speaker 3: It is never not interesting. There's always some kind of
Speaker 3: nasty stuff to do. I work my own schedule. I
Speaker 3: have a lot of free time, a lot of control
Speaker 3: over when I work and when I don't. It's pretty nice.
Speaker 1: Just having a does having a BB Does having a
Speaker 1: baby make you more sympathetic to the Like the rats,
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, these rats were won't working? I mean babies.
Speaker 3: I would say I'm pretty sympathetic to the rats already,
Speaker 3: Like I honestly feel pretty bad about killing them. Sometimes.
Speaker 3: The bugs, it's like whatever bugs are intellectually like less
Speaker 3: significant than a phone app pretty much. But the rats
Speaker 3: they've got like families and stuff, like if we're going
Speaker 3: full Charlie Kelly, like, yeah, I've killed generations of these things.
Speaker 3: I feel a little upset about it. But mostly we
Speaker 3: kill them in ways that don't they don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: the traps go off pretty quickly, and you just you
Speaker 3: can't have them in a building. They ruin stuff, they
Speaker 3: chew up wires, and they're a health threat and it's bad.
Speaker 3: It's got to be done. Somebody's got to do it.
Speaker 3: So it's me good at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can't be too critical that is,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody does have to do it. You can't
Speaker 1: really be the Yeah, this comes a time where like
Speaker 1: you want to be all peaceful and cool about stuff,
Speaker 1: but then if you got a fucking rat in your home,
Speaker 1: you got to get rid of that guy.
Speaker 3: Dude, I've seen they cause such bad problems. Like I'm
Speaker 3: in Texas. It gets one hundred and fifteen in the summer,
Speaker 3: and they'll like chew through an AC line and the
Speaker 3: AC's out in the building and it's like ninety degrees
Speaker 3: in the building because they have rats up there. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like they ruin cars. They all kinds of shit.
Speaker 3: It's bad.
Speaker 1: What's your name?
Speaker 3: But I do respect them. I think I said it
Speaker 3: was Carl, So we'll go with that.
Speaker 1: Carl cars or anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, rise up against the oligarchy. People
Speaker 3: that are in your economic bracket are not your enemy.
Speaker 3: I treat a Oh really, man, I wish I could.
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, we can't put that. We can't put this
Speaker 1: p We can't.
Speaker 3: We can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could put that on the
Speaker 1: all Right, we.
Speaker 3: Gotta under contract. I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We gotta all right, we might I might have to
Speaker 1: cut that part out, but it was funny, all right.
Speaker 1: I might have to cut that part out, Brandon, we
Speaker 1: might have to cut that out. But anyway, Carl.
Speaker 3: Vile, I really appreciate all the hours you put out
Speaker 3: there to listen to and uh, I really appreciate your perspective.
Speaker 3: You have a good day, man, Thank.
Speaker 1: You, man, you too, Bye bye bye bye. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: definitely don't. We definitely can't put that out there. Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up everyone, It's Lyle. I'm gonna end the episode
Speaker 1: today by doing some viewer mail, which is for me.
Speaker 1: It's a nice relaxing way to end the episode. You know,
Speaker 1: I can just talk at my own pace and uh
Speaker 1: talk to myself, which is what I normally do when
Speaker 1: I'm alone. I talk to myself a lot. Do you
Speaker 1: guys talk to yourselves. I walk around the house and
Speaker 1: I talk to myself like I'm two people having a conversation.
Speaker 1: I like talking to myself. I think it's helpful. I
Speaker 1: like being around myself. I know that sounds a little narcissistic,
Speaker 1: but I think it's good. I think you should want
Speaker 1: to be within your own company. I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: exclusively talking to myself. I'm also reading emails, but I'm
Speaker 1: also talking to but I'm talking to no one. I'm
Speaker 1: talking into a stick that doesn't respond, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: to a theoretical audience of However, many people listen to this.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this is too much stuff. Let's read. Let's
Speaker 1: read some emails, Shelby. Let's read some emails that you
Speaker 1: guys have sent. By the way, if you want to
Speaker 1: be in one of these emails, you can send me
Speaker 1: an email at Therapy gecko mail dot com. This first
Speaker 1: email is from Amy. Hello, Lyle, I'd like to go
Speaker 1: by Amy, if that's okay. Yes it is. I'm typically
Speaker 1: working whenever you stream, so I always miss calling in.
Speaker 1: I've debated emailing before, but like most things, I always
Speaker 1: put it off until later. But right now I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in a parking lot. I just got off work, picked
Speaker 1: up some Wendy's, drove to the parking lot of a
Speaker 1: ross because I plan on looking for a gift there,
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here eating my Wendy's before I get
Speaker 1: out of the car. I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 1: about several things, but most things have either resolved themselves,
Speaker 1: I worked through it, or I'm still in the midst
Speaker 1: of it. One I feel I'm still in the midst
Speaker 1: of is one I feel I'm still in the midst
Speaker 1: of is. I recently went through a friendship break up.
Speaker 1: We'd been friends for almost fourteen years, the last three.
Speaker 1: Feeling strained. She called it off first, and even though
Speaker 1: I had been thinking of doing so myself, it really
Speaker 1: really hurt that she did. We had slowly grown apart.
Speaker 1: In some ways it was in distance, but in some
Speaker 1: it was in milestones, and we couldn't relate to each
Speaker 1: other anymore. I don't even mean life milestones like marriage, education,
Speaker 1: or financial. It just seemed like, from my perspective, she
Speaker 1: didn't care to have any emotional initiative, be it for
Speaker 1: herself or towards the people around her. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I don't think about it often,
Speaker 1: but when I do, I get mixed feelings of anguish
Speaker 1: having lost someone. But I also get very angry and spiteful,
Speaker 1: as the end of our friendship came as a result
Speaker 1: from an argument we'd had. When I start to vent
Speaker 1: about it to anyone, my chest almost feels like it'll
Speaker 1: explode because I still feel sore about it. It happened recently,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's still fresh on my heart. But I
Speaker 1: also feel like there was some closure that I didn't get,
Speaker 1: so I'm hyper fixating on that. I'm writing this on
Speaker 1: my phone, so it took really long, so i'll end there.
Speaker 1: Thanks for reading.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Interesting. First of all, I'm a big fan of eating
Speaker 1: fast food in the parking lot of a of a
Speaker 1: shopping center. I don't know if I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of it, but I've done it a lot I've spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time eating Jack in the Box in
Speaker 1: a car in the parking lot of a place, and
Speaker 1: I look back at it fondly. I've talked of this before,
Speaker 1: but when I was first starting doing the show, it
Speaker 1: was during COVID, so I couldn't really go out anywhere.
Speaker 1: So like on a Friday, on Friday nights or like,
Speaker 1: I had a routine, I would do my podcast and
Speaker 1: then it would end at like nine pm, and I
Speaker 1: would kind of be worked up still, so I would
Speaker 1: just drive in the suburbs to like the parking lot
Speaker 1: of Target, and like everything was closed, it was midnight,
Speaker 1: and I would just like sit there, listen to music,
Speaker 1: maybe eat some gas station food that I got. It
Speaker 1: was nice. Anyway, that has nothing to really do with
Speaker 1: your email, and it kind of does. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think if I've been through a friendship break up.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I've never been through a friendship breakup necessarily most of
Speaker 1: the times. Uh, it's kind of just been a fade.
Speaker 1: I've never been in a actually actually wait, that's not true.
Speaker 1: I have been in one friendship breakup that was like
Speaker 1: definitively like like we talked about it, like we're not
Speaker 1: gonna be friends anymore. But I don't really, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't really mourn it. It was very it felt
Speaker 1: very easy to me to move on from that because
Speaker 1: a friendship breakup is different from a romantic breakup because
Speaker 1: the romance because typically if you're monogamous, like there has
Speaker 1: to be like labels, you know. That's the bit that's
Speaker 1: the difference between romance and friendship is romance is more
Speaker 1: label driven and you really you only have you only
Speaker 1: have a spot for one, so you have to break
Speaker 1: up with one if you want to move on to
Speaker 1: another and like build life. But friendship is interesting because
Speaker 1: friendship is not like we're going to get together and
Speaker 1: build a thing together. Friendship is like, you know, will
Speaker 1: orbit around each other, and so it doesn't necessarily always
Speaker 1: need to be definitively ended. It mainly just fades. But
Speaker 1: you said that you were thinking of calling off this friendship.
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm curious what you mentioned. She didn't have
Speaker 1: emotional initiative, like she didn't want to like grow herself
Speaker 1: emotionally or connect or whatever. I get what you mean.
Speaker 1: I can I can only really relate with my personal experience.
Speaker 1: But I find like, yeah, I guess I've had friends
Speaker 1: like that in the past, where I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: think that we really can connect anymore, or like I
Speaker 1: don't think that you're doing a good job at connecting whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's like I don't. I don't bring it up,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's not like they're Now that I'm
Speaker 1: an adult, it's like, you know, I have my own life,
Speaker 1: and it's again, it's not like a romance thing. Like
Speaker 1: if like my you know, if I had like a
Speaker 1: wife or girlfriend or whatever and there's a problem there,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, this is a real problem there,
Speaker 1: because you know, that's more. But it's important because we're
Speaker 1: building a life together. But friends are again, they're like
Speaker 1: they're kind of they kind of orbit your life, but
Speaker 1: they're not I guess in it in it in the
Speaker 1: way that like a real like a domestic partner is
Speaker 1: you know, I don't unless you've got like roommates or
Speaker 1: you're really really really close with your friends. But also,
Speaker 1: fuck man, life is so life is pretty short. You
Speaker 1: got to be intentional about who you spend your time with.
Speaker 1: We couldn't relate to each other anymore.
Speaker 2: Hmm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all right. I think it's I think it's good.
Speaker 1: I actually I take back a little bit of what
Speaker 1: I said about the domestic partnership about that, like you
Speaker 1: only have space for one you can have space for
Speaker 1: multiple friends. You kind of can't You kind of like
Speaker 1: time is so finite that you really do have to
Speaker 1: be selective about who you spend your time with because
Speaker 1: you can. You know, none of the ship's free. It's
Speaker 1: like I was talking to that caller earlier about like
Speaker 1: the mental energy that you spend on shit is not free.
Speaker 1: Like if you have a friend that's like draining your
Speaker 1: energy or whatever, or you just don't even fucking like
Speaker 1: hanging out with them. You want to be valuable about
Speaker 1: that time, or you want to try to be, or
Speaker 1: you don't have to be. I don't know sometimes that guys,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember who I really am, and let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. Sometimes I say all this like
Speaker 1: you know, motivational podcast bro shit, like you got to
Speaker 1: be valuable, you got to be valuable with your time.
Speaker 1: And then the other time I really am just like
Speaker 1: you know what, who gives this ship? We'll just be okay,
Speaker 1: So you don't like this person's Okay, you have to
Speaker 1: like everyone you hang out with all the time. You
Speaker 1: have to like you have to really enjoy everyone that
Speaker 1: you spend all your time with. You have to love
Speaker 1: every second of your life. That's a tall glass of
Speaker 1: it's a tall order. You know, you can. It's okay
Speaker 1: to have a shitty friend. Sometimes just have lunch with them.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I've done that. Sometimes I can't think of anything specific,
Speaker 1: but like sometimes I'm like with someone I'm not and
Speaker 1: i don't feel like I'm connecting with them, but I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting across from them and I've known them for
Speaker 1: a while, or i have some form of connection with
Speaker 1: them and I'm sitting across from them and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this person's really pissing me off. But they're here with
Speaker 1: me right now and I love them, so I'll just
Speaker 1: we'll just do it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't mind that either. I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: bad way of going about life. Okay, this is from Dana.
Speaker 1: Subject line, I left my boyfriend for his brother. This
Speaker 1: is Dana. I'm a huge fan of your podcast and
Speaker 1: I listened to it all the time while I'm at work.
Speaker 1: He helped me get through my day and make me
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not alone. Thank you, Dana. I used
Speaker 1: to be a raging alcoholic and make a mess everywhere
Speaker 1: I went. Now I get excited about vacuum lines. What
Speaker 1: are vacuum lines? Does she mean like cocaine or like ho?
Speaker 1: I'm googling this.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Vaculines are hoses that transport pressurized air and power vehicle
Speaker 1: components and HVAC controls. Okay, it's not cocaine, It's all
Speaker 1: I wanted to check. A few years ago, I started
Speaker 1: dating the guy from the liquor store, and I moved
Speaker 1: in with him within a few days of seeing each other.
Speaker 1: I literally just lived in his room and he would
Speaker 1: bring me home booze every night. While living there, I
Speaker 1: was introduced to his brother. I had instant attraction to
Speaker 1: him and thought he was the man of my dreams.
Speaker 1: I started sneaking into his room while my boyfriend was
Speaker 1: at work, and eventually, after a few months we got
Speaker 1: caught and then moved out together into a tent in
Speaker 1: my grandparents' backyard. I drank every single day to the
Speaker 1: point I went into alcoholic psychosis. I cut off all
Speaker 1: my hair and hid in the woods because I thought
Speaker 1: people were after me. Long story short, I'm sober now,
Speaker 1: I'm facing all my feelings, just trying to catch up
Speaker 1: in life and live a good life for myself. Can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear from you. PS. Here's my phone number,
Speaker 1: and she gave she gave me her phone number. That's
Speaker 1: the whole email. I I normally I don't use this
Speaker 1: as like a way to call people, but I kind
Speaker 1: of want to hear this woman's story. This is kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. I would like to hear this. Should we
Speaker 1: call this woman. Let's see what happens if I call
Speaker 1: this woman? Hold on, hello, Hey, what's up? This is
Speaker 1: the Gecko guy?
Speaker 5: Oh wow?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 1: Uh is this h Dana?
Speaker 5: Yes? It is.
Speaker 1: What's going on, Dana? How's life?
Speaker 4: Life is okay?
Speaker 5: I'm just eating some macaroni cheese from Panera.
Speaker 1: I don't normally I don't normally call people back from
Speaker 1: the Geck mails, like when they leave their phone number
Speaker 1: in the thing. But I don't know why I was.
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by your story. I kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to hear more. I wanted to hear how you're doing
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about it, that is you
Speaker 1: sent this email? Oh shit, I just look you said
Speaker 1: this email weeks ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was really excited about it and I
Speaker 5: sent it and I told all my friends. I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm going to be on therapy.
Speaker 4: Get go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you less excited about it? Are you less
Speaker 1: excited about it now?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I mean like I'm not feeling great. I'm a little
Speaker 5: under the weather, so like that's not but I am
Speaker 5: still so excited.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well.
Speaker 2: Hm hm hm hm hm.
Speaker 5: Did you want me to talk about what I sent in?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure, all right.
Speaker 5: So I'm a recovering alcoholic. I have like a little
Speaker 5: over three years. But before that, I was like a
Speaker 5: crazy person. So my alcoholism got like really bad, and
Speaker 5: I was at the liquor store every day and I
Speaker 5: started dating the guy from the liquor store and so
Speaker 5: so anyway, so we started dating and then I was
Speaker 5: like I'm gonna get sober. So I like went into
Speaker 5: detox and he came. I called him and I was
Speaker 5: like this place is terrible, Like you have to get
Speaker 5: me out of here. So he he picked me up
Speaker 5: and I moved in with him. And yeah, so it
Speaker 5: was just like I basically would just like in his
Speaker 5: room like all day while he would like go to
Speaker 5: work and like he would bring me home booze. And
Speaker 5: so I met his brother and like while I was
Speaker 5: living there drinking with him and we it was like
Speaker 5: one of those you know, I'm like, you see somebody
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh my gosh, this is the love
Speaker 5: of my life. Like we are going to get married,
Speaker 5: we are going to have babies. Like he already stopped drinking.
Speaker 5: So I was like, this is like this is happening,
Speaker 5: Like all the stars are aligning. So I started dating. Well,
Speaker 5: actually we started like seeing each other and like sneaking
Speaker 5: around and my boyfriend would go to work and then
Speaker 5: his brother would come up in his room and I
Speaker 5: would just drink and we hang out and you know,
Speaker 5: like sleep with each other. And then his brother he
Speaker 5: would like go downstairs and his brother would come home
Speaker 5: from work and everything would be fine and dandy, and
Speaker 5: so that went on for like a while, and uh yeah,
Speaker 5: and then finally we got caught. I think that I
Speaker 5: got like blackout drunk one night and I like told
Speaker 5: on myself, like he was like pissing me off, and
Speaker 5: I was like, well, you know what, I'm sucking your brother.
Speaker 5: And then so I got together with his brother and
Speaker 5: like we were together now, so I like had to
Speaker 5: obviously move out of the house because his parents.
Speaker 4: Like hated me.
Speaker 5: So we moved into my grandmother had just had hip
Speaker 5: surgery and like my way in there, like I need
Speaker 5: a place to live. So I was like Grandma, like
Speaker 5: I'll help you, you know, recover from your hip surgery.
Speaker 5: And she's like okay, you know, So I started living
Speaker 5: with her, but I also was just like drinking all
Speaker 5: day long, and like I also didn't like it, like
Speaker 5: interfered with like her house is too small, so I
Speaker 5: was like, let's just pitch a tent in the back.
Speaker 5: So we lived in a tent for a while. And
Speaker 5: like I kind of said in the email, like I
Speaker 5: drank myself into alcoholic psychosis and I thought that there
Speaker 5: were like people after me, and I was just like
Speaker 5: super like paranoid, like I would like I wouldn't come
Speaker 5: out of the tent because I thought like somebody was
Speaker 5: after me. And then I ended up I don't know,
Speaker 5: like I like literally just like cut off on my
Speaker 5: hair one night, like I don't know why, and apparently occurred,
Speaker 5: like that's a thing that people do an alcoholic psychosis.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Britney spears yeah, so I pulled a Britney spears. Well,
Speaker 5: at first I cut it all off, and then I like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I like drove all the New Jersey
Speaker 5: because I was like, I'm gonna I gotta find somebody
Speaker 5: to fix this. This is that, you know. So I
Speaker 5: don't know, I like drove all over and then ended
Speaker 5: up in like a park, like hiding in the woods
Speaker 5: because I thought that my aunt was going to call
Speaker 5: the police on me because I stole my grandma's car
Speaker 5: and her credit card and was just like in this
Speaker 5: park like drinking vodka in the woods.
Speaker 1: So lovely, I'm sorry I finished.
Speaker 5: No, So that lovely boyfriend came to my rescue and
Speaker 5: rescued me, and like this guy was like this guy.
Speaker 1: Was like my saving grace, either boyfriend or the brother.
Speaker 5: The so the brother the brother now is that is
Speaker 5: now the boyfriend. So there's the original one, the original
Speaker 5: and we'll call him Tom, and then the like the
Speaker 5: new one, you know, the brother, we'll call him Steve.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: So he was like my saving grace, Like he like
Speaker 5: came to get me out of the woods, and like
Speaker 5: we like went and stayed in a hotel room for
Speaker 5: a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how are you doing now?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: I'm great.
Speaker 5: Like I had said in the beginning, I have three
Speaker 5: years sober. Yeah. I clean houses and I am really
Speaker 5: involved in AA and I have a lot of friends
Speaker 5: and I do like normal people thing. I don't go
Speaker 5: and hide in the woods anymore. I you know, on
Speaker 5: a Saturday, I'm eating Panera bread just kind of resting
Speaker 5: and hanging out. And yeah, like life is good now.
Speaker 5: Like I was able to go back to school and
Speaker 5: get my ged like basically like men relationships with like
Speaker 5: everybody that like I traumatized, and yeah, like life is
Speaker 5: life is great now. Like now it's almost like I
Speaker 5: actually told somebody the story because I was like, I'm
Speaker 5: going on therapy Gecko, like it is happening. And I
Speaker 5: told somebody like I read the email like that I
Speaker 5: sent you to them, and they were like, no, way that.
Speaker 1: Was that was not you really okay, So you're it's
Speaker 1: that So this is the person who met you after
Speaker 1: you got sober.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So I don't pull Britney spears. They don't
Speaker 5: hide in the woods, they don't date people's brothers. I
Speaker 5: do still not have great relationship skills. I recently just
Speaker 5: got out of a three year relationship which was just
Speaker 5: a shit show. He was a lot older than me,
Speaker 5: and it was just it was just not not good.
Speaker 1: Did you mend your relationship with the original liquor store guy?
Speaker 5: So I actually, like I wrote a whole a letter
Speaker 5: to the whole entire family and apologize to the whole
Speaker 5: entire family.
Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, like the like, were you like you had
Speaker 1: a relationship like with his mom and dad and stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, his mom.
Speaker 1: How did they take it?
Speaker 5: I don't know because I just mailed it. So I
Speaker 5: just kind of sent it in the mail and just
Speaker 5: hope for the best. And I felt like it was
Speaker 5: like one of those things, like all the destruction that
Speaker 5: I did to that family, it's best off that I
Speaker 5: never speak to them ever again.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, that makes sense. It's interesting.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I when you're like drinking vodka with all,
Speaker 1: like when you're bald drinking vodka like shivering in the park,
Speaker 1: you kinda there's some inclination to be like, well, this
Speaker 1: is it for me, you know. So it's nice to hear.
Speaker 1: It's nice to hear that there's a life beyond that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there's people listening to this,
Speaker 1: listening to us talk right now in their headphones that
Speaker 1: are drinking vodka on the ground at a park, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So it'd be it's cool. It's
Speaker 1: cool to me. It's cool the idea that this is
Speaker 1: like someone's doing that while we're talking right now, and
Speaker 1: then there they'll hear you and be like, all right,
Speaker 1: maybe we can be not doing that, you know. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Like I like a story of hope. I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of stories of hope.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, Like you know, because that's not anything
Speaker 5: like actually like pay bills now, I you know, like
Speaker 5: I'm like a regular ass adult, Like I do things
Speaker 5: now that I'm like I didn't even know, like I
Speaker 5: didn't even know how to go to work every day,
Speaker 5: Like I didn't even know that that was like a thing,
Speaker 5: and like now I'm able to like hold a job
Speaker 5: and like also like not completely lose my mind, you know.
Speaker 5: But it's like it does when you're in the grips
Speaker 5: of addiction. It literally feels like there's nothing, there's no
Speaker 5: other option but suicide, you know, Like.
Speaker 4: That's where I was, like I thought that.
Speaker 5: My only way out was to kill myself. And like,
Speaker 5: just like the life I always get like weepy about it,
Speaker 5: but like the life that I have today, I did
Speaker 5: not know what's possible, you know, like I you couldn't
Speaker 5: if you were to tell me three years ago that
Speaker 5: my life would look the way that it does right now,
Speaker 5: I would not believe you. You know, like the most
Speaker 5: amazing things have happened to me in the last three years,
Speaker 5: you know, like I say, my life didn't start until
Speaker 5: three years ago.
Speaker 1: And you did it all without Jesus, right, Oh, I
Speaker 1: did it with Jesus. Oh you got Jesus. That's okay, Jesus.
Speaker 1: How's Jesus?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Well, I believe in God, you know. I think it's
Speaker 5: more so I know that, Like you know, I remember
Speaker 5: like getting sober, like you know, being in rehab and stuff,
Speaker 5: and people would be like, oh, you know, I believe
Speaker 5: in God. I'd be like shut the fuck up, like
Speaker 5: what are you talking about? Or even like people that
Speaker 5: would say their life got better, I'm like, you are
Speaker 5: so full of shit, it's not even funny. And I
Speaker 5: feel like it's you know, but somebody broke it down
Speaker 5: to me and was like okay, like You're not the
Speaker 5: boss of your life, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 5: when you try to control your life, look where you
Speaker 5: end up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: And I stopped trying to control my life and started
Speaker 5: to just be like a better person and to you know,
Speaker 5: do the right thing and not be an apple like
Speaker 5: sometimes like some days, like it's like I'm like, don't
Speaker 5: be an apple, you know, like talk to God, don't
Speaker 5: be an asshole.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm what, uh, Well, before we go, do you
Speaker 1: have any plans for the future.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: I plan on going back to school. I'm not sure
Speaker 5: exactly what I want to do, you know, Like I
Speaker 5: thought about being like a peer recovery specialist, which is
Speaker 5: like basically somebody who is in recovery that you know,
Speaker 5: helps other people get through. But then there's also like
Speaker 5: that uh you know, like I just I want something.
Speaker 5: I want to be a boss, like at at at work,
Speaker 5: I have like I'm like a trainer and I'm basically
Speaker 5: like in management. So like I never knew that, like
Speaker 5: I have that like boss bitch like thing, you know,
Speaker 5: like when people are just like like like leaders, like
Speaker 5: natural leaders, Like I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for sharing your story with this, Dana. I'm
Speaker 1: glad the things are working out again. I like a
Speaker 1: good story of hope. So I'm glad the things are
Speaker 1: working out for you, and you're, uh, you're not. It's
Speaker 1: a good It's always good. I always any message we
Speaker 1: can send out into the universe that there's better things
Speaker 1: to do than kill yourself, I think is good.
Speaker 5: I think so too, because yeah, I have you know,
Speaker 5: it's crazy. I actually came across the video of myself
Speaker 5: that I took after I tried to kill myself, and
Speaker 5: I said, how like terrible life was and how I
Speaker 5: just want peace, you know, And it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: didn't see any other way, Like I didn't see things
Speaker 5: getting better, Like I didn't have any hope, and like
Speaker 5: just you know, from then that was like maybe six
Speaker 5: years ago and like to now, it's like, I'm so
Speaker 5: grateful that I held on.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, Thank you for Thank you for Sharon, Dana.
Speaker 1: I hope you have a good rest of the day.
Speaker 1: Thanks for picking up this phone call randomly in the
Speaker 1: middle of the day, three and a half weeks after
Speaker 1: sending this email. You're true, You're a real one for that.
Speaker 5: No, but like, am I going to be on your
Speaker 5: podcast on Spotify because I listen to you on Spotify
Speaker 5: like all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this will be on Spotify.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I am so excited. I'm going to show everybody, like
Speaker 5: I don't think you understand how.
Speaker 4: Cool, and like when we get off.
Speaker 5: The phone, I'm gonna call my best friend because I'm
Speaker 5: so excited about this.
Speaker 1: All right, cool. I just don't read the comments. They're
Speaker 1: means sometimes, Okay, I won't read them.
Speaker 5: That's fine, Okay, thanks for sure.
Speaker 1: To have a go in Dana, all right, YouTube, bye
Speaker 1: bye o, Thane. That was Dana. It was a good email.
Speaker 1: I like, again, I like a good story.
Speaker 3: A hope.
Speaker 1: Well because we well, I don't know if we've all
Speaker 1: been there, but you have been there for sure, not
Speaker 1: necessarily with like an alcohol thing, but like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I just think I know what it's like to be like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I don't think there's another thing to do
Speaker 1: besides you know, the the thing. But good, there's not
Speaker 1: I mean there, I mean there is. There's other things
Speaker 1: you can do. You can you can eat a Panera bread.
Speaker 1: This whole thing has been an ad for Panera bread.
Speaker 1: Thank of Shanett's story. Dana, I don't normally call people
Speaker 1: after they leave their phone number and they get mail.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad I did. I'm glad we get to
Speaker 1: hear that story. Okay, And I know I've only read
Speaker 1: two emails so far. Maybe I can find a short
Speaker 1: one that we can end with. This is from Noah. Hey, dude,
Speaker 1: I've recently started to smoke weed again, and while most
Speaker 1: of my experiences were positive, I've started doing this thing
Speaker 1: where I get really fucking high and I watch nature docs.
Speaker 1: The thing is, every nature doc is kind of geared
Speaker 1: to make you feel bad and show you how you
Speaker 1: are really destroying everything. I usually end up feeling mad, sad,
Speaker 1: and overall bad. What do you think about the the
Speaker 1: way we are treating the world? Anyway, A new Pokemon
Speaker 1: game came out today, so apart from the world burning
Speaker 1: and ice caps melting, it's pretty good. I have a
Speaker 1: shit job that pays the bills and lets me do
Speaker 1: my real passion playing Pokemon. I'm the same guy who
Speaker 1: you helped join my local Pokemon communities. Oh, I remember you,
Speaker 1: I remember you and who got broke over it? And
Speaker 1: I'll play the creating card game and the video game
Speaker 1: I've started playing. I also started playing bad mitton four
Speaker 1: times a week. Please come to the East coast of
Speaker 1: Canada or Maine. Sent from my Samsung smart fridge. That
Speaker 1: is kind of funny, man, that you kind of you
Speaker 1: got high and you were like, let's just watch a
Speaker 1: chill thing, and then I attacked you with messages of
Speaker 1: how the world is exploding. I talked about it a
Speaker 1: little bit with that other guy earlier in the episode.
Speaker 1: And again I don't mean it to be apathetic, but
Speaker 1: you know, it all goes to zero. Man, enjoy it,
Speaker 1: play Pokemont, look at stuff. Just enjoy your life. I mean,
Speaker 1: try to have a little I don't know. I in
Speaker 1: my life, I try to have a little bit of
Speaker 1: balance between enjoying it and achieving my aspirations, whatever they
Speaker 1: may be. So, you know, if you aspire to not
Speaker 1: destroy the planet, then you know, play Pokemon, throw the
Speaker 1: wrappers of the trading cards in the recycling bin. Don't
Speaker 1: start a multi billion dollar corporation that lobbies against environmental protections.
Speaker 1: That's really all you gotta do. It's not that difficult.
Speaker 1: I think that was therapy.
Speaker 3: Get go.
Speaker 1: I think that was therapy. Gecko. I think we did it.
Speaker 1: I think we talked to a lot of people today.
Speaker 1: I think we got a lot of stories. I think
Speaker 1: we got a lot of stuff to put in people's ears.
Speaker 1: I'm happy with it. I'm proud of it. And I
Speaker 1: really have to I really have to poop. I really
Speaker 1: have to poop. I'm gonna go do that right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go poop. So thank you guys very much
Speaker 1: for listening to this show. Do me a favor if
Speaker 1: you want to. I'm gonna I'm planning a tour in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six So if you want to, go
Speaker 1: to the link in the episode description or go to
Speaker 1: therapy geckotour dot com and give me your information. I'll
Speaker 1: text you when I'm coming to your city in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. It's very helpful for me if you go
Speaker 1: to therapy geckotour dot com and put your information in
Speaker 1: that thing so I can let you know when I'm
Speaker 1: coming to your city to do my little Gecko show.
Speaker 1: This year's next year's show is going to be like
Speaker 1: I'm aiming for it to be like half of me
Speaker 1: telling stories from my life, and I've got a nice
Speaker 1: bit of a you know, fun stuff to share. It's
Speaker 1: been rattle around my brain. It's a little bit more
Speaker 1: written and less stream of consciousness, and then of course
Speaker 1: half talking to the audience as we normally do. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make there be less ads in the show.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know there's a lot of fucking ads,
Speaker 1: but I went in to the thing and I made
Speaker 1: there be less ads, so there should hopefully be less
Speaker 1: crazy ads. Thanks for bearing with me on that. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys for being here. Get bless see you all
Speaker 1: around the universe. Goes on the line, taking your phone
Speaker 1: calls every night. Never Beacon goes to and and Ride.
Speaker 2: He's teaching you.
Speaker 1: A loud and of your life. He's not an expert.