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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hey, what's up man?

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Speaker 2: Ah, not too much. I didn't think I was going

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Speaker 2: to get through. I tried calling earlier, and I was

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Speaker 2: listening to a few other calls, but figure, I give

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Speaker 1: My week has been okay, you know. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: been thinking about the caller who said that life is

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Speaker 1: a spiral a lot, and I agree with that a lot.

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Speaker 1: Like I think there's just like a lot of spiral.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of spiraling, but it's good. It's in

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, like the analogy that like life

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Speaker 1: is a spiral, but each time you go in the cycle,

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Speaker 1: you gain a little bit more information, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean I think there's always something new

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Speaker 2: to learn with every experience you go through, even if

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Speaker 2: it's like a similar experience. You know, there's always something

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Speaker 2: something new to get I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, what's up with you?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: Would you want to talk about today?

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Speaker 2: So? You know, I always thought about what I would

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Speaker 2: talk about if I were to get in the call,

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Speaker 2: and I think one of the one story I'd love

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Speaker 2: to share is so I grew up Mormon. I'm not

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Speaker 2: Mormon anymore, but I like served a mission in the Philippines,

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Speaker 2: and I was there's just one time that I ate

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Speaker 2: Like I can't believe that somebody had bamboozeled me into

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Speaker 2: eating like a dog and it was like it was

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Speaker 2: a pet that they had for a while.

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, how did they bamboozle you into eating a dog?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What did they present it as?

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Speaker 2: So in the Philippines, they have this dish called chicken

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Speaker 2: a dobo and it's it's really good. It's like this

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Speaker 2: chicken that they put in soy sauce and it's got

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Speaker 2: like all this other stuff in it. But it's like

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Speaker 2: marinated chicken. And that's what they presented it. As we

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Speaker 2: were visiting this like family that we would go to

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Speaker 2: been visiting them, and they told us about this birthday

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Speaker 2: they love celebrating whatever, and they always find an excuse

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Speaker 2: of all the food and the chicken, the dobo, lupia ponset,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff, and as we're eating, she like just

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Speaker 2: it's not out of the ordinary, it's it's really good food.

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Speaker 2: And she had these like two dogs that we would

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Speaker 2: We're like, you know, we actually have noticed it. And

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Speaker 2: then she she looks at the plate and she's like

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Speaker 2: And we're just like already halfway through our plate and

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Speaker 2: I kind of finished it because it was good. But wait,

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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait you finished it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna spit it out.

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Speaker 3: In front of them.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't bad, like really, I mean it was, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't bad. It was pretty well seasoned. Kind of

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Speaker 2: crazy thing to say, but I can it was. It

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Speaker 2: Like the best way I can explain it is, you

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Speaker 1: Did you Did it taste like chicken.

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Speaker 2: For the most part? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Interesting? So how okay? So how long was the period

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Speaker 2: It was definitely like like a minute or two. We

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Speaker 2: And so it was it was about within like five minutes.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, what, did you have any hesitation before diving

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Speaker 2: I think so. I mean I was thinking about how

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Speaker 2: it you know, when am I gonna have this again?

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Speaker 2: Probably never? And I haven't. I haven't ever thought about

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Speaker 1: You haven't thought about eating a dog since.

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Speaker 2: You know, can't say have.

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Speaker 1: Are you still a Mormon?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I haven't been Mormon for I say, like

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Speaker 1: Wait you mentioned that earlier, didn't you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And uh so wait, tell me about this mission,

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Speaker 1: Like what were like what were you doing in the Philippines?

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Speaker 1: Like who is this family?

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Speaker 2: So the family that we were seeing. So like when

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Speaker 2: like visiting this lady and her family for about five

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Speaker 2: them like that when we ate the dog, like that

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Speaker 2: was just like a birthday party. She had invited us too.

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Speaker 2: We weren't planning on sharing anything. We were just walking by.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we we were just visiting them, sharing whatever

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Speaker 1: Did you talk to this woman about God? Before or

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Speaker 2: I think? So I didn't stay in the area long

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Speaker 2: And so I was like in one area which is

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Speaker 1: M what's your life like now?

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Speaker 2: What do you do, so it's it's pretty normal. I

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Speaker 2: graduated from college in December, and I'm just a project manager.

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Speaker 2: I work in Corporate America. So I'm just working, hanging

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Speaker 2: out with friends, just trying to find new hobbies. I

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Speaker 2: think recently I've been playing a Starting Valley and that's

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Speaker 3: It picks up.

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Speaker 2: I'm playing it whenever I take like my little dummies.

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Speaker 1: Do do any of your corporate do any of your

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Speaker 1: Corporate America homies know that you've et you've eaten a dog?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's come up. I don't think I

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Speaker 2: haven't found the right time to tell them this. Right,

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Speaker 2: We had a dog con to the office when I

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Speaker 2: was new. A co worker's sister had like just adopted

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Speaker 2: a puppy, and so that may or may not have

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Speaker 3: It probably would have been.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I would have brought it up. Then. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I probably don't like a new employee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you want to at least have like some

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Speaker 1: you want to be in an executive position before you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I'm leading meetings, you know, kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: What's your name again, Jason? Jason? Is there anything else

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Speaker 1: you want to say to the people of the computer

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Speaker 2: You know, I would say just any kind of people, Uh,

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Speaker 2: spread positivity. And you know, if you're craving a sweet

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Speaker 3: And get it.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday. We've all had a long week, so just

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Speaker 2: enjoy it. You as well get it. There's a treat

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Speaker 2: you've been wanting, go ahead and get it.

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to eat a dog.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know what if you want to, no one's

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Speaker 1: I tell you, you know what, I actually before we

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Speaker 1: I do actually think it is you know it is

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Speaker 1: that like it's so shocking that you've eaten a dog, right,

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Speaker 1: but like what we fucking eat so many chickens and

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Speaker 1: got eat it. Like eating a dog is really not

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Speaker 1: no true, honest argument why it's should be okay to

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Speaker 1: eat uh cowls and chickens and not dogs. There's really

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Speaker 1: no good there's really no arguments for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like you think about other countries, like

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Speaker 2: you know, Peru, they they're known for eating like guinea pig,

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Speaker 2: and I mean I ate also some pretty crazy stuff

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Speaker 2: that aren't that bad either.

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Speaker 1: Crickets sounds pretty.

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Speaker 2: Cool, you know, Yeah, they're pretty crunchy.

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Speaker 1: What did what did the dog did? Did we go

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Speaker 1: into what the dog tastes? Like? Did I ask you

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Speaker 1: that already?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It's like it's they're pretty I mean, they taste kind

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Speaker 2: of like chicken, but it's a little bit like it's

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Speaker 2: not as soft as chicken, like think of it as

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Speaker 2: like turkey, Like it's kind of thicker.

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Speaker 1: Did you was there any sauce on it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like they served it as chicken adobo and

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Speaker 2: so that's like the main thing is like soy sauce

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Speaker 2: and they'll have like onions and garlic. Sometimes I'll add

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Speaker 2: like because the main thing, it's like the color. It

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Speaker 4: Okay, So about two years ago I got into this

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Speaker 1: How'd you meet this guy?

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Speaker 1: How long have you been with this guy?

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Speaker 4: Since January of twenty twenty four. Actually, one of the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is like a month before my birthday. So

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Speaker 4: Well, he's really nice, he's friendly, he's really funny. We

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've met parts of his family,

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Speaker 1: So, So, did you give me your name or fake name? Ted?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's my real name.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right whatever? Yeah, Ted's school. What's going

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm really busy at work. Let's see. I play chess,

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Speaker 1: What have you told you? Have you talked to? Are

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Speaker 4: No, No, well, I don't have any siblings. The only

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Speaker 4: to any family. Do you have friends, Yeah, I've I

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Speaker 4: I can talk to about it?

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Speaker 1: Really, Like, why do you feel like you can't talk

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Speaker 4: Well, no one really knows that I'm I'm not you know,

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Speaker 1: Like that, so that you're that you're gay, That you're gay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I've never told anyone that before, So it's

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So you don't have you don't have

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Speaker 4: No, no one knows.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, here's the thing I'm trying to because

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Speaker 1: I mean? Because and the reason why is it? Because

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: M have you like Okay, so this is like, like

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Speaker 4: No, I haven't. I'm not really I don't know. It's weird,

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Speaker 1: So why why is that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't really thought about it. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just I don't find I don't find people my

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Speaker 1: Well, like for this with this guy right, like, where

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Speaker 1: do you see it?

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Speaker 3: Where?

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Speaker 1: Where would you see this going? You know?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean me and him are on the same

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Speaker 4: I think I think he feels the same way.

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Speaker 1: want Are you in college? Like do you have a

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00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: stuff you wanted? Like you're like, you know, you sound

442
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: like you're you're still like learning a lot about yourself.

443
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: You're you know, you're you wanna eventually get to a

444
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: point where like you know, you have a community of

445
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: some kind, you have you know uh uh you know,

446
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: non romantic relationships that you feel really uh comfortable with

447
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: and involved in, and you know, you have your hobbies,

448
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: you have You're really like you're you're very in the

449
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: process still of like developing your life. And the problem,

450
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: the the danger that I would see here is that

451
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: this could kind of take time away from that process

452
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: of continuing to develop yourself and put it towards like

453
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: this guy and his life, you know what I mean.

454
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so like you know, I try not

455
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: to be in the business of telling other people what

456
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: to do, but and you're gonna do whatever you're gonna do.

457
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: But if you know, you want my my take on it,

458
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: it's that like you know, if you're gonna navigate this situation.

459
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: The thing that should be at the forefront of your

460
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: brain is to be making sure that like this guy

461
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: and this thing and these conflicts are not cutting in

462
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: to mental energy that you should be spending on on

463
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: like developing your own life. You got, you got what

464
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Because also and also by the way, this

465
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: ship can creep But this ship can creep up on

466
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: you in ways you understand because even the like great

467
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: because the fact that you're over here, like well, he

468
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: hasn't introduced me to his uh you know, friends here

469
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: or this and that, like you're like, you're like very

470
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: very very subtly, this thing is already taking a lot

471
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: of mental space from you. And you know, look, as

472
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: a as a person with your own agency, you can

473
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you can decide what things you

474
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: want to take up your mental space, right, but be

475
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: really careful with like, be really really really selective and

476
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: really think through deeply the things that you're allowed to

477
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: uh take through your mental space because you're at a

478
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: really critical time in your life. Yeah, so, like I

479
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: don't know if getting into a thing with this guy

480
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: who's kind of already lived his whole existence and like

481
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about twenty thirty years. I mean, shit, man,

482
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna like how much of a you know

483
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, how much of a life can

484
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: you really have with you know, someone in their eighties

485
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: and nineties, right like you don't wanna, you don't wanna,

486
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: you don't wanna like look back and be like, oh shit,

487
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: I was spending so much time like tending to this

488
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: thing that and and you know what, and even and

489
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, you say here's the thing, you say like, oh, well,

490
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm the one, uh pushing forward and I'm not even

491
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm not even here to like villainize this guy.

492
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: But like.

493
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: It you can just can just creep up on you,

494
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: Like it could just the amount of time and energy

495
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: that you spend on this shit cald just just creep

496
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: up on you. So be really careful to make sure

497
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: that because you might you might like go into this

498
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: thing and then it falls apart and it just doesn't

499
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: satisfy the goals that you have for your life. And

500
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: then you look back and you're like, I mean, I

501
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: don't really know if I believe in such a thing

502
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: as like wasted time, but you might look back and

503
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: be like, oh shit, I wish I would have spent

504
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: the time that I was spending on this thing, on

505
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: uh whatever, making what doing things that put me in

506
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: rooms with other people that I could be friends with.

507
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: You know, you say you don't like people you're in age,

508
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: but like how many people you're on age have you

509
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: fucking met? You know, like, what do you do? What

510
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: do you what are you doing to put yourself out

511
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: into the universe to even like be around enough other

512
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: people to make that like, uh that that claim.

513
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 4: Well, well, I'm around a lot of people my own age.

514
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: I play a lot of chess tournaments. I play I

515
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: don't know, three chess tournaments a month in person of course,

516
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 4: So I mean I talk a lot of two people

517
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: my age, and then of course during school, I talk

518
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: to a lot of people my age. And it sounds

519
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: like I'm trying to like justify, but I do. I

520
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: am in a lot of communities that put me around

521
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: people my age, and I have a lot of friends

522
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: in person, I am. I do judo, so I have

523
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 4: a lot of friends there. So it's sort of like,

524
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel like I've I've talked to

525
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: a lot of people my age and I just don't.

526
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: I don't know.

527
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: I don't know.

528
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but you understand what I'm saying, right, Like

529
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: with uh one, you're needing to give yourself the space

530
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: to like develop your own ship.

531
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you mean.

532
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

533
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: Because yeah, you didn't.

534
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: No, I didn't think about it, like I'm putting so

535
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 4: much energy towards it. It's sort of eating up.

536
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. And that's not even specific to

537
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: your issue. That's just like this is like, uh bro,

538
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: like things can things can uh think, things can really

539
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: take up your mental time a lot without even noticing it.

540
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: And if what you if your ultimate goal and also

541
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: this is just so much like if your ultimate goal

542
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: is like you want to find someone that like, you know,

543
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: you get married and have kids and uh get be

544
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: integrated into their life in the way that you're talking

545
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: about like that. I believe that that exists out there

546
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: for you. And there's clearly, uh a lot of frictional

547
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: elements between you and that with this, so let me

548
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: keep that in mind.

549
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah I didn't.

550
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: I didn't consider It's just, yeah, it's been on my

551
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: mind so much that I didn't think about that. It's

552
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: been on my mind.

553
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I don't know if that Yeah, yeah, noh,

554
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: that makes perfect It makes perfect sense. Yeah, because when

555
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: you're yeah, because when you're in the moment of that,

556
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: you're not even like introspecting about it. You're just in it.

557
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: You don't even realize that. Yeah, and yeah, you know

558
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: that ship just just just know that that ship isn't free.

559
00:33:49,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: Okay, you're right, Yep, I didn't think about it's okay, Ed, No, Yeah.

560
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: You're doing all right, Ted?

561
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: Yep.

562
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: Hmm, I can I can keep talking. If there's anything

563
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: else you wanna or like anything you want to talk

564
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: through or anything like that.

565
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't think so. I think it's I think

566
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: that's what I came here for.

567
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, cool. Is there any other like aspect

568
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: of this or anything else in general that you want

569
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: to I want to talk about to get into before

570
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: we go, Not.

571
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 4: That I can think of. I mean, that's sort of

572
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: the biggest thing.

573
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: Just yeah, m.

574
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: All right, man, So thank you.

575
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to say to the people of

576
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: the computer.

577
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 4: Uh, not that I can think of.

578
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Have a good day, beautiful, take care of Ted, good luck.

579
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: Do I have anything else to say about that?

580
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: Call.

581
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't. I know, people have a lot

582
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: of like and I crossed my you know, I I

583
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: think I try. I try to like tell people what

584
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: to fucking do. Although I do it all the time.

585
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: I do it all like this so many times where

586
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I just flat out tell people what to do when

587
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: I like, but it depends on the situation and the

588
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: person's energy and like the conversation and shit, and like

589
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: I sometimes I'm like, I just gotta tell, but I

590
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: just feel like I need to tell people what to do.

591
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: But the other times I'm like, no, let's you know,

592
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: like let's just take this thing and like UH will arrive.

593
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about it and arrive at uh at

594
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: an answer uh. Independently, also because I was keeping in

595
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: mind the fact that this guy he hasn't, like, I

596
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: don't know if he's talked through this with anyone, because

597
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: he's like not out, you know, and he's uh like

598
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: this is like a singular thing.

599
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

600
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope I hope Ted arrives at whatever conclusion

601
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: UH feels feels productive for him. Should I say something funny?

602
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't have anything funny to say.

603
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: All right, Geka what's up man, How you doing. I'm good.

604
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: How wild to talk to you?

605
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: You texted me, you said, I ate a guinea pig

606
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: in Peru if you want to talk about that.

607
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we went to Peru, which is the first

608
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: part of that story. Obviously, there's a lot of restaurants

609
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 3: that sell it, and I got it in a fancy

610
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: restaurant and it was pretty good. It was pretty good.

611
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: The restaurant was full of tourists who were like all going,

612
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: and some like sixty year old gay German couple came

613
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: up and wanted to take pictures of me eating it.

614
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. If you've ever had a rabbit, it

615
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: tastes the exact same.

616
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: Would you eat a dog like the other caller.

617
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: You know, it depends on how the dog was killed.

618
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: I think that's really kind of the philosophical pivot where

619
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: we're at on the ethics, right, Like if a dog

620
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: was raised to be killed and eaten, no, But if

621
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: it was like a cherished family pet that lived its

622
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: entire life happily and it died in an accident, and

623
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: the family wanted to honor the dog's memory by like

624
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 3: serving it, I would eat that dog. What do you think,

625
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: where are you at on this, Well.

626
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of talked about it in

627
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: the other call about like I don't think that like

628
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: like I guess, like, oh, well, I was just talking

629
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: about like moral like morally if there's probably no real

630
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: difference between those two. I still wouldn't need a dog.

631
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't.

632
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't really want to. I'm like good with the

633
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: amount of chickens and cows and shit that I eat.

634
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: But you texted me a bunch of shit.

635
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 5: Man.

636
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: You talked about I.

637
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: Text you every time you go live and I'm available

638
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 3: because I don't know how this works. So yeah, there's

639
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: a lot in there.

640
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: You said, I'm trying to figure out how to protect

641
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: my child from the apocalypse.

642
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: We have one on the way. It's my first one,

643
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: and I don't know. If I was going to self

644
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 3: describe my viewpoint, it would be extremely like Doomer blackpilled.

645
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: The world is going to heat up and we're all

646
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: going to die in a war. So it's like I

647
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: also texted you, I don't know how much of my

648
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: view of the future is just like looking for a certainty,

649
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: but from a negative way, because I don't like to

650
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: handle the unknown. You know, but it's something I'm thinking

651
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: about a lot.

652
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, tell me more about your doomor black Pille

653
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: ideology about the world.

654
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't even know where to start, man. I

655
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: know this is a podcast suicide to get into politics,

656
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: so let's not even go there.

657
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 1: But we can talk about whatever you want.

658
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: Things are not looking good, especially in America and other

659
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: parts of the world. But like, I don't know, climate

660
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: change freaks me out. Man. I have too much I

661
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: have too much education in ecology, and the way things

662
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: are going is not sustainable and it doesn't look like

663
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: anybody's turning it around anytime soon. So it's like, I

664
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: feel like the collapse of the society that we have

665
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: is just a question of when, not a question of if,

666
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 3: you know, So it's like if it's in the next

667
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: eighty years, And now I have to care about that

668
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: because I have a kid on the way, you know,

669
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: it's a lot to thing about.

670
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've thought about that, like if I you know,

671
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to have kids someday, and you know,

672
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm worried about the future of the world and stuff.

673
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: But here and you sound like you're more educated than

674
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: I I'm not really uh. I mean I think a

675
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: lot about the shit, and I talk to people and whatnot,

676
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: but I'm not really formally educated in anything, so uh,

677
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: this is all just like a me kind of trying

678
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: to be a go ahead.

679
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: I took it and ecology class, so it's not like

680
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: I'm mister climate science, you know.

681
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: So well, here's my thing, man. And I've talked about

682
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: this on the show a little bit before, but like basically,

683
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: and I was talking to one of my friends about

684
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: this last night, is like, uh, the fact that we're

685
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: living in unprecedented times is uh, all times have been unprecedented.

686
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: Like that's true. I think about that a lot.

687
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's it's always been an unprecedented time. Like

688
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: the specifics are always unprecedented, but I mean, I'm sorry,

689
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: the specifics are unprecedented, but but things being unprecedented has

690
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: been precedented for eternity, you know what I mean. So

691
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: like yeah, and even like in America, right, Like I mean,

692
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: look a bunch of people like being corrupt, consolidating power

693
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: and uh trying to you know, like a few people

694
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: trying to take as much power as they possibly can.

695
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: That's like it's like human nature It's been happening forever

696
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: in society.

697
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: The problem and the novel thing is that we all

698
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: fucking know about all of it now. You know.

699
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: That is interesting, it is it is interesting. Yes, that

700
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: is a new thing that we all know about now.

701
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: It's a lot easier than it was back in like

702
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: what a feudal days or whatever the fuck. Also even

703
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: like ecological things, I'm like, well, well, I don't know.

704
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: There was the Black Death, there was been massive disease

705
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: and uh meteors and weather like we've been through a lot.

706
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: And with war it's like, bro, I mean we have

707
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, the fucking the world was at war twice.

708
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: And we may have two hundred years. We may have

709
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: two hundred years before it really hits the fand so

710
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: like who who knows, you.

711
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: Know, but you know, but I don't know, think about

712
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: the well, think about like this, right, like maybe two

713
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: hundred years humanity dies out and then maybe uh several

714
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: million after that something else in pigs, Yeah, and tell

715
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: guinea pigs and then they'll eat little whatever the fuck

716
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: they eat and whatever into Yeah, I mean shit, yeah,

717
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: for all we know. I mean, there could be life

718
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: on another could be I don't know, it's just like, uh,

719
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. And I got into an

720
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: argument and I was in an argument, was a discussion

721
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: with somewhere. I'm like, I think, I like, I'll tell

722
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell people all this stuff and they'll be like

723
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: saying that I'm coming at it from a point of apathy,

724
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I don't think that. Yeah, I don't

725
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: think that that means we shouldn't do anything.

726
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: It's like you have to have a measured level of

727
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: just caring about what you have control over and then

728
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: filtering out all the rest of it. Right, it's not there.

729
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: It's just like being reasonable. Yeah, I don't know.

730
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, and you can also, I mean, you

731
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: can protect your kid from the world in some way,

732
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: shape or form, like you can talk to them and

733
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: raise them and whatnot. But uh, you know they're gonna

734
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: have struggle. I mean, I yeah, man, I don't know.

735
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot, like in terms

736
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: of like if I want to have a kid, and

737
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: like shit, like what the fuck is the world going

738
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: to look like?

739
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: Uh?

740
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, Like I always thought that,

741
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, we thought social media would destroy everyone, and

742
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's done and it's taken a toll op question.

743
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: Open question?

744
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your open question? Yeah?

745
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: Though or not?

746
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it's not a lot of it's

747
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: not a lot of damage, but like, uh, there's still

748
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: not actually, don't you know. I mean you go and

749
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: go into a restaurant, there's people eating with each other

750
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: and talking and you know, like all the stuff, like

751
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: people have friends and like people still connect with each

752
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: other and people still do stuff and make up like this.

753
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that like the essentials of

754
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: humanity are about to completely go away.

755
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 3: Not yet. I don't think anytime soon, man. But I'm

756
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: just thinking, like, if we truly have trouble having enough

757
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: food and water for people, if that actually is how

758
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: things go, at some point, there will be a lot

759
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: of bad stuff happening. It's just like, yeah, how much

760
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 3: martial arts do I teach my kid? Do I need

761
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: to teach them how to build a generator? Or just

762
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: teach them to be nice to people? In math?

763
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: Like you know, Yeah, what's your what's your wife's take

764
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 1: on all this ship?

765
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: Oh, she's like not worried about it. She's like, you

766
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: need to calm down. Your brain's just trying to find

767
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: something to worry about.

768
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's so. Yeah, yeah, because I was, Yeah, I

769
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: was talking to someone about this, and you know, they

770
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: were like, you're thinking too much about it?

771
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much, pretty much, pretty much. But uh yeah,

772
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 3: she's pretty levelheaded about most things. Yeah. Yeah, It's it's

773
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: so strange to talk to you on the phone because

774
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: I'm inclined to just listen because that's normally what I do.

775
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: It's like.

776
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: People run into this problem.

777
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: Are you Are you excited to have a baby.

778
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. I'm so excited. Yeah, It's it's sort

779
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: of weird to like, it's still too early to like

780
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: tell anybody. Only one of my friends knows. None of

781
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: our families know, so it's like it's not real yet.

782
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: But it's just like wait, wait wait, none of your

783
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: family knows.

784
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: No, no, we don't want to have to deal with

785
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: that shit until wait, you're.

786
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: Telling me that I know that you're having a kid

787
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: before your parents do.

788
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 5: Well.

789
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can tell the internet anything. You're just the

790
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: Internet lyle true.

791
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: Interesting, when are they going to find out?

792
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 3: We're gonna we have another obgui n appointment this month.

793
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: We're going to do some genetic testing, just to make

794
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: sure everything's above board because we're both thirty five thirty six,

795
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 3: and uh, we'll learn the gender, no ceremony about it,

796
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: and we'll let people know. Yeah, just give it more

797
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: time because like the probability of stuff going wrong with

798
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: the pregnancy dramatically decreased as it goes along. So we're

799
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: just getting past the first part of it, and so

800
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: we don't have to tell people if anything happens, you know,

801
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: all that it's wild man.

802
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: Hmmm, so you it sounds like your wife is less

803
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: anxious about the whole thing than you are.

804
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: She's less anxious about the world falling apart, but probably

805
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 3: more anxious about things in closer proximity to our actual lives,

806
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: like what are we gonna do with the bed that?

807
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: You know, Like, what are we gonna do with all

808
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: this stuff in the room we have to put the

809
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: baby in, Like, and I'm just like not thinking about

810
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 3: any of that and just like often some reality that's

811
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: not even here interesting.

812
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like that too. I'm like that too, you know,

813
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: where like yeah, I'll be with someone and they're like,

814
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, really grounded in reality of like the day,

815
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: Like what are we gonna eat today and I'm like

816
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: off the off thinking about some crazy existential crap. I

817
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: don't think it's how Yeah, I really, I don't laugh.

818
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: I even I've talked about it's the fucking depth on here,

819
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: But like I just I don't like it.

820
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, man. I think it has its place.

821
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: I think it has its place because you can, like,

822
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 3: you know, she'll get all freaked out if she's sick

823
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 3: and like can't handle, like, oh the kitchen, it's messy.

824
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: It drives her nuts. But it's like I could survive

825
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: in a whirlwind. I would be worried about what's going

826
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: to happen in another twenty years, you know. So like

827
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: for dealing with direct day to day problems, I feel

828
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: like it keeps your head more level. It's just like

829
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: you waste a lot of time being worried about shit.

830
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.

831
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: You also texted me saying it's you also text me

832
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: saying it's pull a rat out of the wall kind

833
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: of a day.

834
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: What is that? Man? I work in pest control, so

835
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: we do a lot of rat work. We trap and

836
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: kill a lot of rats, keep a lot of rats

837
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: out of buildings. And I had some traps that were

838
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 3: too close to a wall boy a drop ceiling, and

839
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: it got caught overnight and did some kind of backflip

840
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: into the wall and dropped down fifteen feet and was

841
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: starting to stink up the building. So I had to

842
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 3: go out there and do something with a tape measure

843
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: and zip ties and sticky boards and lower the tape

844
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: measure down into the wall and pull the rat out.

845
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: I deal with a lot of dead rodents outside of

846
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: Peru too. It's kind of gross, but I guess it

847
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 3: kind of primed me to eat one.

848
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: What's the best part about working in pest control? Would

849
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: you say?

850
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: It is never not interesting. There's always some kind of

851
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: nasty stuff to do. I work my own schedule. I

852
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: have a lot of free time, a lot of control

853
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: over when I work and when I don't. It's pretty nice.

854
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: Just having a does having a BB Does having a

855
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: baby make you more sympathetic to the Like the rats,

856
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, these rats were won't working? I mean babies.

857
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 3: I would say I'm pretty sympathetic to the rats already,

858
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: Like I honestly feel pretty bad about killing them. Sometimes.

859
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 3: The bugs, it's like whatever bugs are intellectually like less

860
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 3: significant than a phone app pretty much. But the rats

861
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: they've got like families and stuff, like if we're going

862
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: full Charlie Kelly, like, yeah, I've killed generations of these things.

863
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: I feel a little upset about it. But mostly we

864
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: kill them in ways that don't they don't know, you know,

865
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: the traps go off pretty quickly, and you just you

866
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 3: can't have them in a building. They ruin stuff, they

867
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 3: chew up wires, and they're a health threat and it's bad.

868
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: It's got to be done. Somebody's got to do it.

869
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: So it's me good at it.

870
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can't be too critical that is,

871
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: you know, somebody does have to do it. You can't

872
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: really be the Yeah, this comes a time where like

873
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: you want to be all peaceful and cool about stuff,

874
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: but then if you got a fucking rat in your home,

875
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: you got to get rid of that guy.

876
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 3: Dude, I've seen they cause such bad problems. Like I'm

877
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: in Texas. It gets one hundred and fifteen in the summer,

878
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: and they'll like chew through an AC line and the

879
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: AC's out in the building and it's like ninety degrees

880
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: in the building because they have rats up there. You know,

881
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: it's like they ruin cars. They all kinds of shit.

882
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: It's bad.

883
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: What's your name?

884
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: But I do respect them. I think I said it

885
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: was Carl, So we'll go with that.

886
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: Carl cars or anything else you want to say to

887
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go.

888
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, rise up against the oligarchy. People

889
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: that are in your economic bracket are not your enemy.

890
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: I treat a Oh really, man, I wish I could.

891
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, we can't put that. We can't put this

892
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: p We can't.

893
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: We can't.

894
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could put that on the

895
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: all Right, we.

896
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: Gotta under contract. I'm not gonna do it.

897
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: We gotta all right, we might I might have to

898
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: cut that part out, but it was funny, all right.

899
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: I might have to cut that part out, Brandon, we

900
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: might have to cut that out. But anyway, Carl.

901
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 3: Vile, I really appreciate all the hours you put out

902
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 3: there to listen to and uh, I really appreciate your perspective.

903
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: You have a good day, man, Thank.

904
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: You, man, you too, Bye bye bye bye. Yeah, we

905
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: definitely don't. We definitely can't put that out there. Hey,

906
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: what's up everyone, It's Lyle. I'm gonna end the episode

907
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: today by doing some viewer mail, which is for me.

908
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: It's a nice relaxing way to end the episode. You know,

909
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I can just talk at my own pace and uh

910
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: talk to myself, which is what I normally do when

911
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm alone. I talk to myself a lot. Do you

912
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: guys talk to yourselves. I walk around the house and

913
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: I talk to myself like I'm two people having a conversation.

914
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: I like talking to myself. I think it's helpful. I

915
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: like being around myself. I know that sounds a little narcissistic,

916
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: but I think it's good. I think you should want

917
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: to be within your own company. I guess I'm not

918
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: exclusively talking to myself. I'm also reading emails, but I'm

919
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: also talking to but I'm talking to no one. I'm

920
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: talking into a stick that doesn't respond, and I'm talking

921
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: to a theoretical audience of However, many people listen to this.

922
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: But anyway, this is too much stuff. Let's read. Let's

923
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: read some emails, Shelby. Let's read some emails that you

924
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: guys have sent. By the way, if you want to

925
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: be in one of these emails, you can send me

926
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: an email at Therapy gecko mail dot com. This first

927
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: email is from Amy. Hello, Lyle, I'd like to go

928
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: by Amy, if that's okay. Yes it is. I'm typically

929
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: working whenever you stream, so I always miss calling in.

930
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: I've debated emailing before, but like most things, I always

931
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: put it off until later. But right now I'm sitting

932
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: in a parking lot. I just got off work, picked

933
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: up some Wendy's, drove to the parking lot of a

934
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: ross because I plan on looking for a gift there,

935
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here eating my Wendy's before I get

936
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: out of the car. I wanted to talk to you

937
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: about several things, but most things have either resolved themselves,

938
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: I worked through it, or I'm still in the midst

939
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: of it. One I feel I'm still in the midst

940
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: of is one I feel I'm still in the midst

941
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: of is. I recently went through a friendship break up.

942
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: We'd been friends for almost fourteen years, the last three.

943
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: Feeling strained. She called it off first, and even though

944
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: I had been thinking of doing so myself, it really

945
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: really hurt that she did. We had slowly grown apart.

946
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 1: In some ways it was in distance, but in some

947
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: it was in milestones, and we couldn't relate to each

948
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: other anymore. I don't even mean life milestones like marriage, education,

949
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: or financial. It just seemed like, from my perspective, she

950
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: didn't care to have any emotional initiative, be it for

951
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: herself or towards the people around her. I don't know

952
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I don't think about it often,

953
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: but when I do, I get mixed feelings of anguish

954
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: having lost someone. But I also get very angry and spiteful,

955
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: as the end of our friendship came as a result

956
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: from an argument we'd had. When I start to vent

957
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: about it to anyone, my chest almost feels like it'll

958
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: explode because I still feel sore about it. It happened recently,

959
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: so maybe it's still fresh on my heart. But I

960
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: also feel like there was some closure that I didn't get,

961
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: so I'm hyper fixating on that. I'm writing this on

962
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: my phone, so it took really long, so i'll end there.

963
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for reading.

964
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: Hmm.

965
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: Interesting. First of all, I'm a big fan of eating

966
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: fast food in the parking lot of a of a

967
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: shopping center. I don't know if I'm a big fan

968
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: of it, but I've done it a lot I've spent

969
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: a lot of time eating Jack in the Box in

970
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: a car in the parking lot of a place, and

971
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: I look back at it fondly. I've talked of this before,

972
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: but when I was first starting doing the show, it

973
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: was during COVID, so I couldn't really go out anywhere.

974
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: So like on a Friday, on Friday nights or like,

975
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: I had a routine, I would do my podcast and

976
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: then it would end at like nine pm, and I

977
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: would kind of be worked up still, so I would

978
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: just drive in the suburbs to like the parking lot

979
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: of Target, and like everything was closed, it was midnight,

980
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: and I would just like sit there, listen to music,

981
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: maybe eat some gas station food that I got. It

982
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: was nice. Anyway, that has nothing to really do with

983
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: your email, and it kind of does. I'm trying to

984
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: think if I've been through a friendship break up.

985
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: I don't.

986
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: I've never been through a friendship breakup necessarily most of

987
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: the times. Uh, it's kind of just been a fade.

988
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: I've never been in a actually actually wait, that's not true.

989
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: I have been in one friendship breakup that was like

990
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: definitively like like we talked about it, like we're not

991
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: gonna be friends anymore. But I don't really, I don't know.

992
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: I didn't really mourn it. It was very it felt

993
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: very easy to me to move on from that because

994
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: a friendship breakup is different from a romantic breakup because

995
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: the romance because typically if you're monogamous, like there has

996
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: to be like labels, you know. That's the bit that's

997
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: the difference between romance and friendship is romance is more

998
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: label driven and you really you only have you only

999
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: have a spot for one, so you have to break

1000
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: up with one if you want to move on to

1001
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: another and like build life. But friendship is interesting because

1002
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: friendship is not like we're going to get together and

1003
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: build a thing together. Friendship is like, you know, will

1004
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: orbit around each other, and so it doesn't necessarily always

1005
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: need to be definitively ended. It mainly just fades. But

1006
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: you said that you were thinking of calling off this friendship.

1007
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm curious what you mentioned. She didn't have

1008
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: emotional initiative, like she didn't want to like grow herself

1009
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: emotionally or connect or whatever. I get what you mean.

1010
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: I can I can only really relate with my personal experience.

1011
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: But I find like, yeah, I guess I've had friends

1012
00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: like that in the past, where I'm like, I don't

1013
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: think that we really can connect anymore, or like I

1014
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: don't think that you're doing a good job at connecting whatever.

1015
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: But it's like I don't. I don't bring it up,

1016
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, because it's not like they're Now that I'm

1017
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: an adult, it's like, you know, I have my own life,

1018
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: and it's again, it's not like a romance thing. Like

1019
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: if like my you know, if I had like a

1020
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: wife or girlfriend or whatever and there's a problem there,

1021
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, this is a real problem there,

1022
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: because you know, that's more. But it's important because we're

1023
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: building a life together. But friends are again, they're like

1024
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: they're kind of they kind of orbit your life, but

1025
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: they're not I guess in it in it in the

1026
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: way that like a real like a domestic partner is

1027
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, I don't unless you've got like roommates or

1028
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: you're really really really close with your friends. But also,

1029
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: fuck man, life is so life is pretty short. You

1030
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: got to be intentional about who you spend your time with.

1031
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: We couldn't relate to each other anymore.

1032
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: Hmm hmm.

1033
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all right. I think it's I think it's good.

1034
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: I actually I take back a little bit of what

1035
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: I said about the domestic partnership about that, like you

1036
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: only have space for one you can have space for

1037
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: multiple friends. You kind of can't You kind of like

1038
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: time is so finite that you really do have to

1039
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: be selective about who you spend your time with because

1040
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: you can. You know, none of the ship's free. It's

1041
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: like I was talking to that caller earlier about like

1042
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: the mental energy that you spend on shit is not free.

1043
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: Like if you have a friend that's like draining your

1044
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: energy or whatever, or you just don't even fucking like

1045
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: hanging out with them. You want to be valuable about

1046
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: that time, or you want to try to be, or

1047
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: you don't have to be. I don't know sometimes that guys,

1048
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember who I really am, and let

1049
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: me tell you something. Sometimes I say all this like

1050
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, motivational podcast bro shit, like you got to

1051
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: be valuable, you got to be valuable with your time.

1052
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: And then the other time I really am just like

1053
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: you know what, who gives this ship? We'll just be okay,

1054
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: So you don't like this person's Okay, you have to

1055
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: like everyone you hang out with all the time. You

1056
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: have to like you have to really enjoy everyone that

1057
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: you spend all your time with. You have to love

1058
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: every second of your life. That's a tall glass of

1059
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: it's a tall order. You know, you can. It's okay

1060
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: to have a shitty friend. Sometimes just have lunch with them.

1061
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes I've done that. Sometimes I can't think of anything specific,

1062
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: but like sometimes I'm like with someone I'm not and

1063
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: i don't feel like I'm connecting with them, but I'm

1064
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: just sitting across from them and I've known them for

1065
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: a while, or i have some form of connection with

1066
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: them and I'm sitting across from them and I'm like,

1067
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: this person's really pissing me off. But they're here with

1068
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: me right now and I love them, so I'll just

1069
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: we'll just do it.

1070
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1071
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't mind that either. I don't think that's a

1072
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: bad way of going about life. Okay, this is from Dana.

1073
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: Subject line, I left my boyfriend for his brother. This

1074
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: is Dana. I'm a huge fan of your podcast and

1075
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: I listened to it all the time while I'm at work.

1076
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: He helped me get through my day and make me

1077
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not alone. Thank you, Dana. I used

1078
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: to be a raging alcoholic and make a mess everywhere

1079
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: I went. Now I get excited about vacuum lines. What

1080
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: are vacuum lines? Does she mean like cocaine or like ho?

1081
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm googling this.

1082
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

1083
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: Vaculines are hoses that transport pressurized air and power vehicle

1084
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: components and HVAC controls. Okay, it's not cocaine, It's all

1085
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to check. A few years ago, I started

1086
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: dating the guy from the liquor store, and I moved

1087
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: in with him within a few days of seeing each other.

1088
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: I literally just lived in his room and he would

1089
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: bring me home booze every night. While living there, I

1090
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: was introduced to his brother. I had instant attraction to

1091
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: him and thought he was the man of my dreams.

1092
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: I started sneaking into his room while my boyfriend was

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01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: at work, and eventually, after a few months we got

1094
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: caught and then moved out together into a tent in

1095
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: my grandparents' backyard. I drank every single day to the

1096
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: point I went into alcoholic psychosis. I cut off all

1097
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: my hair and hid in the woods because I thought

1098
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: people were after me. Long story short, I'm sober now,

1099
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm facing all my feelings, just trying to catch up

1100
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: in life and live a good life for myself. Can't

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01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: wait to hear from you. PS. Here's my phone number,

1102
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: and she gave she gave me her phone number. That's

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01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: the whole email. I I normally I don't use this

1104
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: as like a way to call people, but I kind

1105
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: of want to hear this woman's story. This is kind

1106
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: of interesting. I would like to hear this. Should we

1107
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: call this woman. Let's see what happens if I call

1108
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: this woman? Hold on, hello, Hey, what's up? This is

1109
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: the Gecko guy?

1110
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 5: Oh wow?

1111
01:03:58,960 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: Hi?

1112
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: Uh is this h Dana?

1113
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 5: Yes? It is.

1114
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: What's going on, Dana? How's life?

1115
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 4: Life is okay?

1116
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 5: I'm just eating some macaroni cheese from Panera.

1117
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: I don't normally I don't normally call people back from

1118
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: the Geck mails, like when they leave their phone number

1119
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: in the thing. But I don't know why I was.

1120
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by your story. I kind of wanted

1121
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: to hear more. I wanted to hear how you're doing

1122
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about it, that is you

1123
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: sent this email? Oh shit, I just look you said

1124
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: this email weeks ago.

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was really excited about it and I

1126
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 5: sent it and I told all my friends. I was like,

1127
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 5: I'm going to be on therapy.

1128
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 4: Get go.

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01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you less excited about it? Are you less

1130
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: excited about it now?

1131
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 2: No?

1132
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 5: I mean like I'm not feeling great. I'm a little

1133
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 5: under the weather, so like that's not but I am

1134
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 5: still so excited.

1135
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Well.

1136
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 2: Hm hm hm hm hm.

1137
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 5: Did you want me to talk about what I sent in?

1138
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1139
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: Sure, all right.

1140
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 5: So I'm a recovering alcoholic. I have like a little

1141
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 5: over three years. But before that, I was like a

1142
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 5: crazy person. So my alcoholism got like really bad, and

1143
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 5: I was at the liquor store every day and I

1144
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 5: started dating the guy from the liquor store and so

1145
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 5: so anyway, so we started dating and then I was

1146
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 5: like I'm gonna get sober. So I like went into

1147
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 5: detox and he came. I called him and I was

1148
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 5: like this place is terrible, Like you have to get

1149
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 5: me out of here. So he he picked me up

1150
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 5: and I moved in with him. And yeah, so it

1151
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 5: was just like I basically would just like in his

1152
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 5: room like all day while he would like go to

1153
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 5: work and like he would bring me home booze. And

1154
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 5: so I met his brother and like while I was

1155
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 5: living there drinking with him and we it was like

1156
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 5: one of those you know, I'm like, you see somebody

1157
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh my gosh, this is the love

1158
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 5: of my life. Like we are going to get married,

1159
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 5: we are going to have babies. Like he already stopped drinking.

1160
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 5: So I was like, this is like this is happening,

1161
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 5: Like all the stars are aligning. So I started dating. Well,

1162
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 5: actually we started like seeing each other and like sneaking

1163
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 5: around and my boyfriend would go to work and then

1164
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 5: his brother would come up in his room and I

1165
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 5: would just drink and we hang out and you know,

1166
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 5: like sleep with each other. And then his brother he

1167
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 5: would like go downstairs and his brother would come home

1168
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 5: from work and everything would be fine and dandy, and

1169
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 5: so that went on for like a while, and uh yeah,

1170
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 5: and then finally we got caught. I think that I

1171
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 5: got like blackout drunk one night and I like told

1172
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 5: on myself, like he was like pissing me off, and

1173
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 5: I was like, well, you know what, I'm sucking your brother.

1174
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: And then so I got together with his brother and

1175
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 5: like we were together now, so I like had to

1176
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 5: obviously move out of the house because his parents.

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01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 4: Like hated me.

1178
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 5: So we moved into my grandmother had just had hip

1179
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 5: surgery and like my way in there, like I need

1180
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 5: a place to live. So I was like Grandma, like

1181
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 5: I'll help you, you know, recover from your hip surgery.

1182
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 5: And she's like okay, you know, So I started living

1183
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 5: with her, but I also was just like drinking all

1184
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 5: day long, and like I also didn't like it, like

1185
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 5: interfered with like her house is too small, so I

1186
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 5: was like, let's just pitch a tent in the back.

1187
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 5: So we lived in a tent for a while. And

1188
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 5: like I kind of said in the email, like I

1189
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 5: drank myself into alcoholic psychosis and I thought that there

1190
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 5: were like people after me, and I was just like

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 5: super like paranoid, like I would like I wouldn't come

1192
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 5: out of the tent because I thought like somebody was

1193
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 5: after me. And then I ended up I don't know,

1194
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 5: like I like literally just like cut off on my

1195
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 5: hair one night, like I don't know why, and apparently occurred,

1196
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 5: like that's a thing that people do an alcoholic psychosis.

1197
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 5: Britney spears yeah, so I pulled a Britney spears. Well,

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01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 5: at first I cut it all off, and then I like,

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01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 5: I don't know, I like drove all the New Jersey

1201
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 5: because I was like, I'm gonna I gotta find somebody

1202
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 5: to fix this. This is that, you know. So I

1203
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 5: don't know, I like drove all over and then ended

1204
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,879
Speaker 5: up in like a park, like hiding in the woods

1205
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 5: because I thought that my aunt was going to call

1206
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 5: the police on me because I stole my grandma's car

1207
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 5: and her credit card and was just like in this

1208
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 5: park like drinking vodka in the woods.

1209
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: So lovely, I'm sorry I finished.

1210
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 5: No, So that lovely boyfriend came to my rescue and

1211
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 5: rescued me, and like this guy was like this guy.

1212
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: Was like my saving grace, either boyfriend or the brother.

1213
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 5: The so the brother the brother now is that is

1214
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 5: now the boyfriend. So there's the original one, the original

1215
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 5: and we'll call him Tom, and then the like the

1216
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 5: new one, you know, the brother, we'll call him Steve.

1217
01:09:59,080 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

1218
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 5: So he was like my saving grace, Like he like

1219
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 5: came to get me out of the woods, and like

1220
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 5: we like went and stayed in a hotel room for

1221
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 5: a couple of days.

1222
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how are you doing now?

1223
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 5: Now?

1224
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 3: I'm great.

1225
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 5: Like I had said in the beginning, I have three

1226
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 5: years sober. Yeah. I clean houses and I am really

1227
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 5: involved in AA and I have a lot of friends

1228
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 5: and I do like normal people thing. I don't go

1229
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 5: and hide in the woods anymore. I you know, on

1230
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 5: a Saturday, I'm eating Panera bread just kind of resting

1231
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 5: and hanging out. And yeah, like life is good now.

1232
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 5: Like I was able to go back to school and

1233
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 5: get my ged like basically like men relationships with like

1234
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 5: everybody that like I traumatized, and yeah, like life is

1235
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 5: life is great now. Like now it's almost like I

1236
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 5: actually told somebody the story because I was like, I'm

1237
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 5: going on therapy Gecko, like it is happening. And I

1238
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 5: told somebody like I read the email like that I

1239
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 5: sent you to them, and they were like, no, way that.

1240
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: Was that was not you really okay, So you're it's

1241
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: that So this is the person who met you after

1242
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: you got sober.

1243
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So I don't pull Britney spears. They don't

1244
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 5: hide in the woods, they don't date people's brothers. I

1245
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 5: do still not have great relationship skills. I recently just

1246
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 5: got out of a three year relationship which was just

1247
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 5: a shit show. He was a lot older than me,

1248
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 5: and it was just it was just not not good.

1249
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: Did you mend your relationship with the original liquor store guy?

1250
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 5: So I actually, like I wrote a whole a letter

1251
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 5: to the whole entire family and apologize to the whole

1252
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 5: entire family.

1253
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, like the like, were you like you had

1254
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: a relationship like with his mom and dad and stuff.

1255
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, his mom.

1256
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: How did they take it?

1257
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 5: I don't know because I just mailed it. So I

1258
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 5: just kind of sent it in the mail and just

1259
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 5: hope for the best. And I felt like it was

1260
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 5: like one of those things, like all the destruction that

1261
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 5: I did to that family, it's best off that I

1262
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 5: never speak to them ever again.

1263
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, that makes sense. It's interesting.

1264
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

1265
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I when you're like drinking vodka with all,

1266
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: like when you're bald drinking vodka like shivering in the park,

1267
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: you kinda there's some inclination to be like, well, this

1268
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: is it for me, you know. So it's nice to hear.

1269
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: It's nice to hear that there's a life beyond that.

1270
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there's people listening to this,

1271
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: listening to us talk right now in their headphones that

1272
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: are drinking vodka on the ground at a park, you

1273
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So it'd be it's cool. It's

1274
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: cool to me. It's cool the idea that this is

1275
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: like someone's doing that while we're talking right now, and

1276
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: then there they'll hear you and be like, all right,

1277
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: maybe we can be not doing that, you know. Yeah, absolutely,

1278
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 1: Like I like a story of hope. I'm I'm a

1279
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: big fan of stories of hope.

1280
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, Like you know, because that's not anything

1281
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 5: like actually like pay bills now, I you know, like

1282
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 5: I'm like a regular ass adult, Like I do things

1283
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 5: now that I'm like I didn't even know, like I

1284
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 5: didn't even know how to go to work every day,

1285
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 5: Like I didn't even know that that was like a thing,

1286
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 5: and like now I'm able to like hold a job

1287
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 5: and like also like not completely lose my mind, you know.

1288
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 5: But it's like it does when you're in the grips

1289
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 5: of addiction. It literally feels like there's nothing, there's no

1290
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 5: other option but suicide, you know, Like.

1291
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 4: That's where I was, like I thought that.

1292
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 5: My only way out was to kill myself. And like,

1293
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 5: just like the life I always get like weepy about it,

1294
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 5: but like the life that I have today, I did

1295
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 5: not know what's possible, you know, like I you couldn't

1296
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 5: if you were to tell me three years ago that

1297
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 5: my life would look the way that it does right now,

1298
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 5: I would not believe you. You know, like the most

1299
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 5: amazing things have happened to me in the last three years,

1300
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 5: you know, like I say, my life didn't start until

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Speaker 5: three years ago.

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Speaker 1: And you did it all without Jesus, right, Oh, I

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01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: did it with Jesus. Oh you got Jesus. That's okay, Jesus.

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01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: How's Jesus?

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 5: Well, I believe in God, you know. I think it's

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01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,759
Speaker 5: more so I know that, Like you know, I remember

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01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 5: like getting sober, like you know, being in rehab and stuff,

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01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 5: and people would be like, oh, you know, I believe

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01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 5: in God. I'd be like shut the fuck up, like

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01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 5: what are you talking about? Or even like people that

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 5: would say their life got better, I'm like, you are

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01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 5: so full of shit, it's not even funny. And I

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 5: feel like it's you know, but somebody broke it down

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 5: to me and was like okay, like You're not the

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01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 5: boss of your life, you know what I mean. And

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 5: when you try to control your life, look where you

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01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 5: end up.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: And I stopped trying to control my life and started

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 5: to just be like a better person and to you know,

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Speaker 5: do the right thing and not be an apple like

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01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 5: sometimes like some days, like it's like I'm like, don't

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01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 5: be an apple, you know, like talk to God, don't

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 5: be an asshole.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm what, uh, Well, before we go, do you

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01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: have any plans for the future.

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01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 2: I do.

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01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 5: I plan on going back to school. I'm not sure

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01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 5: exactly what I want to do, you know, Like I

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01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 5: thought about being like a peer recovery specialist, which is

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01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 5: like basically somebody who is in recovery that you know,

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01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 5: helps other people get through. But then there's also like

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01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 5: that uh you know, like I just I want something.

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01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 5: I want to be a boss, like at at at work,

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01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 5: I have like I'm like a trainer and I'm basically

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01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 5: like in management. So like I never knew that, like

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 5: I have that like boss bitch like thing, you know,

1339
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 5: like when people are just like like like leaders, like

1340
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 5: natural leaders, Like I didn't know that.

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01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for sharing your story with this, Dana. I'm

1342
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: glad the things are working out again. I like a

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: good story of hope. So I'm glad the things are

1344
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: working out for you, and you're, uh, you're not. It's

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01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 1: a good It's always good. I always any message we

1346
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: can send out into the universe that there's better things

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01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: to do than kill yourself, I think is good.

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01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 5: I think so too, because yeah, I have you know,

1349
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 5: it's crazy. I actually came across the video of myself

1350
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 5: that I took after I tried to kill myself, and

1351
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 5: I said, how like terrible life was and how I

1352
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 5: just want peace, you know, And it's like, yeah, I

1353
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 5: didn't see any other way, Like I didn't see things

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01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 5: getting better, Like I didn't have any hope, and like

1355
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 5: just you know, from then that was like maybe six

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01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 5: years ago and like to now, it's like, I'm so

1357
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 5: grateful that I held on.

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01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, Thank you for Thank you for Sharon, Dana.

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01:17:58,760 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: I hope you have a good rest of the day.

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01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for picking up this phone call randomly in the

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01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: middle of the day, three and a half weeks after

1362
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: sending this email. You're true, You're a real one for that.

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01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 5: No, but like, am I going to be on your

1364
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 5: podcast on Spotify because I listen to you on Spotify

1365
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 5: like all the time.

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01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, this will be on Spotify.

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01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 5: I am so excited. I'm going to show everybody, like

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01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 5: I don't think you understand how.

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01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 4: Cool, and like when we get off.

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01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 5: The phone, I'm gonna call my best friend because I'm

1372
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 5: so excited about this.

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01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: All right, cool. I just don't read the comments. They're

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01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: means sometimes, Okay, I won't read them.

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01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 5: That's fine, Okay, thanks for sure.

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01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: To have a go in Dana, all right, YouTube, bye

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01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: bye o, Thane. That was Dana. It was a good email.

1378
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: I like, again, I like a good story.

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01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 3: A hope.

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01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: Well because we well, I don't know if we've all

1381
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 1: been there, but you have been there for sure, not

1382
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: necessarily with like an alcohol thing, but like, uh, you know,

1383
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: I just think I know what it's like to be like,

1384
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: oh shit, I don't think there's another thing to do

1385
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: besides you know, the the thing. But good, there's not

1386
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: I mean there, I mean there is. There's other things

1387
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: you can do. You can you can eat a Panera bread.

1388
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: This whole thing has been an ad for Panera bread.

1389
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: Thank of Shanett's story. Dana, I don't normally call people

1390
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: after they leave their phone number and they get mail.

1391
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: But I'm glad I did. I'm glad we get to

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01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: hear that story. Okay, And I know I've only read

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01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: two emails so far. Maybe I can find a short

1394
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: one that we can end with. This is from Noah. Hey, dude,

1395
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: I've recently started to smoke weed again, and while most

1396
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 1: of my experiences were positive, I've started doing this thing

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01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,839
Speaker 1: where I get really fucking high and I watch nature docs.

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01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: The thing is, every nature doc is kind of geared

1399
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: to make you feel bad and show you how you

1400
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 1: are really destroying everything. I usually end up feeling mad, sad,

1401
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 1: and overall bad. What do you think about the the

1402
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: way we are treating the world? Anyway, A new Pokemon

1403
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: game came out today, so apart from the world burning

1404
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: and ice caps melting, it's pretty good. I have a

1405
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 1: shit job that pays the bills and lets me do

1406
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: my real passion playing Pokemon. I'm the same guy who

1407
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: you helped join my local Pokemon communities. Oh, I remember you,

1408
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: I remember you and who got broke over it? And

1409
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: I'll play the creating card game and the video game

1410
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: I've started playing. I also started playing bad mitton four

1411
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: times a week. Please come to the East coast of

1412
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: Canada or Maine. Sent from my Samsung smart fridge. That

1413
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: is kind of funny, man, that you kind of you

1414
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: got high and you were like, let's just watch a

1415
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: chill thing, and then I attacked you with messages of

1416
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: how the world is exploding. I talked about it a

1417
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: little bit with that other guy earlier in the episode.

1418
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: And again I don't mean it to be apathetic, but

1419
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, it all goes to zero. Man, enjoy it,

1420
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: play Pokemont, look at stuff. Just enjoy your life. I mean,

1421
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: try to have a little I don't know. I in

1422
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: my life, I try to have a little bit of

1423
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: balance between enjoying it and achieving my aspirations, whatever they

1424
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: may be. So, you know, if you aspire to not

1425
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: destroy the planet, then you know, play Pokemon, throw the

1426
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: wrappers of the trading cards in the recycling bin. Don't

1427
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: start a multi billion dollar corporation that lobbies against environmental protections.

1428
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: That's really all you gotta do. It's not that difficult.

1429
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: I think that was therapy.

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01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 3: Get go.

1431
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: I think that was therapy. Gecko. I think we did it.

1432
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: I think we talked to a lot of people today.

1433
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: I think we got a lot of stories. I think

1434
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: we got a lot of stuff to put in people's ears.

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01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm happy with it. I'm proud of it. And I

1436
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: really have to I really have to poop. I really

1437
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: have to poop. I'm gonna go do that right now.

1438
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go poop. So thank you guys very much

1439
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: for listening to this show. Do me a favor if

1440
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: you want to. I'm gonna I'm planning a tour in

1441
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six So if you want to, go

1442
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: to the link in the episode description or go to

1443
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: therapy geckotour dot com and give me your information. I'll

1444
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: text you when I'm coming to your city in twenty

1445
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: twenty six. It's very helpful for me if you go

1446
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,640
Speaker 1: to therapy geckotour dot com and put your information in

1447
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: that thing so I can let you know when I'm

1448
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 1: coming to your city to do my little Gecko show.

1449
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: This year's next year's show is going to be like

1450
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm aiming for it to be like half of me

1451
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: telling stories from my life, and I've got a nice

1452
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: bit of a you know, fun stuff to share. It's

1453
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: been rattle around my brain. It's a little bit more

1454
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: written and less stream of consciousness, and then of course

1455
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: half talking to the audience as we normally do. Also,

1456
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make there be less ads in the show.

1457
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know there's a lot of fucking ads,

1458
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: but I went in to the thing and I made

1459
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: there be less ads, so there should hopefully be less

1460
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 1: crazy ads. Thanks for bearing with me on that. Thank

1461
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: you guys for being here. Get bless see you all

1462
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: around the universe. Goes on the line, taking your phone

1463
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: calls every night. Never Beacon goes to and and Ride.

1464
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 2: He's teaching you.

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01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:47,480
Speaker 1: A loud and of your life. He's not an expert.