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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Here We Roll.

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Speaker 1: Oh Lord, I'm with it all right, Good luck James.

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Speaker 1: She on the other side, James, Here we go. I'm

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Speaker 1: better this.

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Speaker 2: Supremo Supremo Role, Turn up the music, Brema su Supremo,

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Speaker 2: Roll Call Supreme, sut Suck Supremo, Roll Call Supreme, bring

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Speaker 2: my Role.

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Speaker 1: He Tickling CD, Brother Fentoin Statue Prize and number fight

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Speaker 1: time n provided yesterday in front of the song Supremo.

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Speaker 1: My name is Spante.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in my zone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite poison joint.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love of my own.

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Speaker 2: Roll Call Supremo Supreme, Roll Supremer, sir Son, Sure.

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Speaker 4: My name is Sugar Yeah, the roll call Master. James

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Speaker 4: poisons here, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Bremer Supreme, roll Call Wait a minute, my name is

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Speaker 5: Sugar Quest keep this loop on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you're here.

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Speaker 4: James for.

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Speaker 1: Suprema Suprema roll.

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Speaker 6: Roll Yeah, and James in Town. Yeah, what a lot

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Speaker 6: of songs. Yeah still Charles Brown.

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Speaker 4: Supremo, supre Roll Supremo, So Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Role, Thank you Quest Love, Yeah for this and that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Notes and make Poison.

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Speaker 4: Laugh Premoo roll Came Bremo so premo role.

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Speaker 1: My name is j P. Yeah, the Lord is blessing me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Layla's I dressing shapsty.

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Speaker 5: That's how you need who come Sprivapremo, Rome.

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Speaker 2: Supremo, Supremo, Supremo sou.

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Speaker 1: Roll.

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Speaker 7: Wait as a pseudo Jamaican? Can we talk about your

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Speaker 7: Jamaican accent?

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Speaker 8: But I got.

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Speaker 1: James already know what I said, and that's.

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Speaker 8: All I can listen some of the textas that he

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Speaker 8: sends me.

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Speaker 1: You just get it.

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Speaker 8: Listen, I get it, understand. That's all the matter. That

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Speaker 8: was Jamaicon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great. And Steve with a double but

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Speaker 1: never heard before the SoundBite that none of these joints.

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Speaker 1: Wait where was where did you dig that up?

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Speaker 9: These were from Philly in the studio session.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, another episode of Quest Love Supreme. I

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Speaker 1: you know it's Quest Love. We have teams Supreme. We

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Speaker 1: are live in New York City, and by live we

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Speaker 1: mean we're just in front of each other. We Seachi

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Speaker 1: in person. Yeah, how's it going? A new bill?

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Speaker 3: Wait?

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Speaker 1: Where was your new title? I gave you? I forgot yours.

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Speaker 7: I was unpaid well for the record. I was White Bill,

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Speaker 7: which was a wonderful moniker.

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Speaker 8: I was a Bill for.

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Speaker 1: Then recently I was morphed to Boss Bill for what reason?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what. No, not for that, No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: because you're Boss. I'm happy. I'm just a bill up

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Speaker 1: climbing up this hill. That's what. All right? Well, you're

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Speaker 1: just Bill. I think I think that's the perfect Just

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Speaker 1: just Bill. You're just a Bill. I'm like a silky shampoo,

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Speaker 1: just Bill.

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Speaker 8: Well take that right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how's it going.

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Speaker 6: It's going good, it's going.

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Speaker 10: I feel like we're gonna have some time not laughing today.

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Speaker 10: It's gonna be full of laughs and good times and

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Speaker 10: long overdue conversations with a big head.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a battle, so much fun going around.

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Speaker 1: Be great and fickel. I'm good, Man, good, got some

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Speaker 1: rest so I'm good. Okay, cool, I'm sorry, Steve, how's

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Speaker 1: it going? Everything's great? Man? This and how you say it?

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Speaker 4: You've been waiting for episodes for a long.

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Speaker 6: Time, Steve anticipated episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to be jumping in because I

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Speaker 1: want to know how James and Steve became friend of me, Like,

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Speaker 1: what's your first musical man?

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Speaker 4: Well, theiest thing is that James is the one who

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Speaker 4: got me hired originally when I came down to Philly

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Speaker 4: in two thousands.

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Speaker 1: It every day, all right, ladies and gentlemen, Our guest today,

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Speaker 1: of course, the needs no introduction. He's been in front

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Speaker 1: of the show. Yeah, pretty much all those moments that

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Speaker 1: you take for granted. You know, music can help facilitate

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Speaker 1: a mood when you're watching television or you're watching movies.

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Speaker 1: And our guest today, of course, is no exception to

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Speaker 1: providing colors, synesthesia to graphics and scenes and makes life better.

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Speaker 1: He's done, let's name it professional, being very professional, very Saidstesia. Alright,

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Speaker 1: sorry you said James makes life better.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: You got the wrong guests. All right, let's let's go

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Speaker 1: through our know we we used to celebrate our guests

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Speaker 1: to come on the show. I mean well, friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, wires, problem areas. We also got Harthorne. That

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Speaker 1: was a Jada show correct, Yeah, okay, the break with

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Speaker 1: Michelle wolf a friend of uh, you know, of the Circle,

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Speaker 1: the Equalizer, starting with our good friend Dana Blackish. He's

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Speaker 1: done music for Blackish. Yeah, and of course you know

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Speaker 1: classic season two and season three of The Chappelle Show

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Speaker 1: Award winner his name, all the artists. There's Erica, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's Mariah, Anthony, Anthony, Eric John Legend, Rihanna, music music,

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Speaker 1: so child a common Kareem Bailey, Ray my youth choir

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Speaker 1: below he never heard of him, Yeah, Randy Watson and everybody,

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Speaker 1: man Ship, everybody, James done everything, Al Green, Astero, Angela

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Speaker 1: q Jo, Joe Scott Legend. Damn all right, and we

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Speaker 1: saw his work yesterday, so that was awesome. What was

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Speaker 1: just what damn man.

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Speaker 6: We saw yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah would have been happened yesterday. Motherfuckers. The clips is

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Speaker 1: already the worst. I missed that. It was a big

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Speaker 1: head joke. You, of all people should know that. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: I'm relegated to Charlie Brown and his friends. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Ry Wow, welcome to James bod.

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Speaker 6: That was a good one of your actually in retrospect

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Speaker 6: like that was funny.

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Speaker 1: Yes, wow, I know my fun Anyway, how are you?

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Speaker 1: How are you? James?

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Speaker 11: Shut up, Steve, I just needed to get I'm great, man,

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Speaker 11: I'm happy to be here amongst family and friends and I.

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Speaker 3: Mean step.

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Speaker 1: All right, So yeah I kind of knew you. So

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be really hard to do.

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Speaker 6: Like you don't.

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Speaker 1: I thought James was the Philadelphia born and bred. Now

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Speaker 1: where were you born?

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Speaker 8: I was born in Sheffield, England. My parents Jamia con.

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Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say Jamaica.

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Speaker 11: No, no, no, my parents are Jamaica and they immigrated

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Speaker 11: to England, you know, the win the Russian generation.

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Speaker 1: And where is Sheffield?

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Speaker 8: Sheffield is like two hours north from London.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So even then I thought you were from like

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Speaker 1: South London where all the all the cool people. Jamaicans.

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Speaker 11: I mean, listen, Jamaicans is everywhere, bredwand everywhere. So I

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Speaker 11: was born there, lived there for nine years and then

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Speaker 11: we moved over here.

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Speaker 1: Did you at once had a UK accent? I did?

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Speaker 8: And it was weird, like to school, like speak English

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Speaker 1: Do you know where?

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Speaker 8: They wanted to hear the accent?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I got tased quite a bit, you know,

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Speaker 1: so you purposely lost your accent.

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Speaker 1: But all right, so talk talk with you.

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Speaker 11: It's not the type of thing I can fill on

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Speaker 11: like certain words if I say digital digital, But yeah,

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Speaker 11: you don't grow up in West Philly with an English accent,

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Speaker 11: so I had to lose that trying to quick.

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Speaker 1: Girls thought that was cool.

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Speaker 8: I was nine.

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Speaker 4: I have a question, like, so, when was the first

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Speaker 4: time you actually went to Jamaica at all?

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Speaker 11: When I was a baby, we went over, I don't remember,

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Speaker 11: but after that, I think I was fourteen thirteen and

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Speaker 11: It was like one dirt road up in the mountain,

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Speaker 11: like literally like five six blocks and it was like,

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Speaker 11: and I had was great back then. When I've gone

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Speaker 8: The risk calling?

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Speaker 10: Oh, I got I got one? Because we always used

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Speaker 10: to tease James about being a p K.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm.

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Speaker 10: Curious, like, was your dad always preacher's kid?

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Speaker 1: Actually? Can I add on to that? Because I also

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Speaker 1: know that the usual scenario of Christian household with music

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Speaker 1: how did secular music seep into what I would think

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Speaker 8: Right, So grow up in church in England. My dad

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Speaker 11: Now, the way it works immigration was my mom had

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Speaker 11: Are Crouch record and I was like, Oh, that's my

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Speaker 6: I mean, these are the type of things you gotta

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So it was these are Crouch records, and you

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Speaker 11: know when we moved over here, those are kind of

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Speaker 11: my headphones on listening to that stuff because that's all

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Speaker 11: that was allowed in the Bishop Poiso's household. But I

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Speaker 11: so you know, I was listening to all the stuff.

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Speaker 11: You know, you walking through the streets of Philly, going

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Speaker 11: to school and being around you're going to hear anything sound,

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Speaker 11: so you know, it's funny hanging, you know, hanging with

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Speaker 11: a mirror. You know, all these years, there's certain things

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Speaker 11: that I realized I missed, you know, just because of

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Speaker 11: that kind of thing, like street, Sesame Street. I never

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Speaker 11: grew up with Sessimon. So there's times he referenced, you

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Speaker 11: don't remember this, and I'm like, bro, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Love for breacanteen and milk and stick of butter.

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Speaker 6: Was like and hosehold.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I was not.

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Speaker 8: I was in England, so I was so when I

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Speaker 8: came over here, I was like, bugs, bunny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was piano your first instrument?

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Speaker 11: No, I grew up playing drums in church. We moved

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Speaker 11: over here, a small storefront church, and there was a

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Speaker 11: was like, I won't play now. You gotta remember, I

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Speaker 11: grew up playing on pots and pans with my mom's

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Speaker 11: knitty needles when I was a little, little young one.

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Speaker 11: So yes, you know, started playing drums first, and then

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Speaker 1: He was just messing.

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Speaker 8: This was in seventh grade, just messing, just messing with me. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: That was like liberties or no, this was a cease

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Speaker 1: See what happened was bong hitch. I was.

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Speaker 8: I was the class clown and I was goofing off.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. I was. Are there

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Speaker 8: And of course my immigrant parents were very they weren't

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Speaker 6: They put you in the strict Catholic school.

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Speaker 8: Well I was going. I went to BArch them for

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Speaker 6: Oh see that's it wasn't without Philly.

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Speaker 3: I lean on me, oh Joe.

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Speaker 10: It's now a beautiful gentrified building with lots of shops

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Speaker 8: Really is now like let's go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it got artists and pickled and got flower grass.

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Speaker 6: Am I think you dj? They are like about five

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Speaker 6: Oh it's it's not Barto's good, it's Bob. You're right,

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Thank you Joy.

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Speaker 1: Aren't you from Hens? Ain't you from Pittsburgh? Yeah? I

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Speaker 7: Actual it's funny.

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Speaker 6: Just like when we discovered about.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I did not know that James

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Speaker 11: I wasn't part of that whole thing. I was playing

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Speaker 1: So your parents wanted to do engineering, yeah, all I

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Speaker 8: Yeah what'd you wind up doing?

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Speaker 11: So I went to Drexel for two years for engineering.

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Speaker 8: That real, I am not trying to do this.

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Speaker 6: School for fun with Richmond.

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Speaker 7: When you were in church, was it plactical training or

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Speaker 11: So it started off I taken They had a little

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Speaker 11: So I stopped and I was That's when I was

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Speaker 1: Was that your warfare.

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Speaker 6: Wait, so how long did it take for you to

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Speaker 10: How long did it take for you to feel confident

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Speaker 11: It took a while, you know, like almost close to

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Speaker 8: Oh, then we played the Calypso stuff now too.

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Speaker 7: That's like one one one you've seen that video with

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Speaker 8: They did then snl sketch on them.

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Speaker 11: Yes, yes, yeah, that's like my church iday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I think I had it just because I was listening

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Speaker 8: You know, just to learn the names and yeah.

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Speaker 6: But when did you make the change. Where'd you go

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Speaker 11: I ain't going back right after that experience I told

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Speaker 8: I was like, okay, this is it. Okay, so walk

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Speaker 6: Right, Okay?

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Speaker 10: Thanks?

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Speaker 11: I know my older brother, Steven, who's now the bishop

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Speaker 11: He played, keys, played bass, played druones.

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Speaker 1: Is he good?

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Speaker 8: He was good?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: If he says it I taught, he'll say he taught

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Speaker 10: I know.

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Speaker 8: He taught me everything he knew.

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Speaker 1: You know, all right? That makes sense?

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Speaker 8: Like is he listening?

447
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Speaker 5: What?

448
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: So, even though I haven't seen it with my own eyes, Like,

449
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: is it generally correct that because of lack of venue

450
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: structure in Philadelphia that the Black Church was like the

451
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: prime spot where every musician could get a chance to play.

452
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Speaker 8: Absolutely And as.

453
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Speaker 1: A result, if there are five keyboard players waiting to

454
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Speaker 1: get on, and four bass players waiting to get on,

455
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: and twelve drummers ready to get on, that they're going

456
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Speaker 1: to try to outdo each other absolutely, all right, can

457
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: you walk me through that process? Like, is this the

458
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: inspiration for gospel chops? Yes, Like the reason why most

459
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: black musicians overplay is because they have some evil to

460
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: make an impression. That makes sense, right, Like you can't

461
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: play like if you play like me, then it's just

462
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: like old people will like it. No, but that's the thing,

463
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: Like myfrow is like I want to make the musicians

464
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Speaker 1: sound good, so I'll just play down the middle is

465
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Speaker 1: least the less I play, the.

466
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Speaker 2: Better it is.

467
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Speaker 6: Change. You never took a mire to church, and just

468
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Speaker 6: like I would love to.

469
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Speaker 1: See that church before church, Like I purchase drums for them,

470
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: but that's church. Even hired a drummer. There's one.

471
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Speaker 8: Church.

472
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Speaker 1: Actually I have played in church. But the church that

473
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: I went to was all right, it was a weird

474
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: kind of non denomination. Wait, why did you already have

475
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Speaker 1: the I'm.

476
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Speaker 6: Already not here, Like I'm not when you say non

477
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Speaker 6: denomination like.

478
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Speaker 1: Church too, I mean I did it. I had a

479
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: Pentecostal church. What was the w wzz D? So I

480
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: actually I did play drums in Pastor Charles something. He

481
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: was a known preacher in Philadelphia, Like I did that

482
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: for like maybe like three years, because it was also

483
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Speaker 1: paying the ass of packing my drums at home. And

484
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: then you gotta do a double trip, like uncle Bud

485
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: and Dad have to come and and put it in there,

486
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, and then it's like you gotta break the

487
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: drums down the church and bring it back home. I

488
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: got lazy with that. But yeah, once, once I discovered

489
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: we discovered a church that let us wear regular clothes,

490
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Speaker 1: which is like a game changer, like wait, I can

491
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Speaker 1: wear jeans in it T shirt in this church. And

492
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Speaker 1: they were very hipofyed like Tarik thought was the most

493
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: hilarious thing ever because you know, like praise like praising

494
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: black church. But these people would just like do hands

495
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: across America across the church, like they were just like

496
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: someone would start a conga line, and that was the thing.

497
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Speaker 1: It'd be like a seventy nine person conga line.

498
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Speaker 3: It sounds like midsommar.

499
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Speaker 1: This sounds yeah, I mean.

500
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Speaker 7: It sounds like a white person church, right, I mean,

501
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Speaker 7: once I can say something.

502
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Speaker 1: Believe it or not. It was actually drawn down the

503
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Speaker 1: middle like it was equally black white and uh uh Hispanic.

504
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so that was the drummer.

505
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Speaker 12: So what the fuck I want to ask you about

506
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Speaker 12: to that point, James, about you know, we talk about

507
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 12: the Black Church and it pretty much being kind of

508
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 12: like the breeding ground, like the training ground for musicians.

509
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 12: So now with the Black Church, what what do you

510
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 12: think is the role of the Black Church in the

511
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 12: musical community, because now it's very much you see the

512
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 12: rise of you know, I guess what they call CC

513
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 12: and contemporary Christian music, which is you know, it's not

514
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 12: it ain't Notre Crouch, you know what I mean.

515
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: So does a Black church still have that role in

516
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: the musician?

517
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Speaker 1: Are they being trapped down church?

518
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 8: Absolutely? Man, they're doing stuff. I mean again, I'm older now.

519
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: So some of the things that my question I was

520
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: like like trapp and drill in church now or like

521
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: oh you hear that kind of stuff, like if they

522
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: do it now in your your brother's church. One time,

523
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: I try to play Peter Piper, like I just told

524
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: the percussion player just do this, and I played it,

525
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: and one elder who is like the youngest elder who

526
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: like knew what I know what y'all doing, Like, they

527
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: called me to the principal's office. It was like because

528
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: the kids started whopping and on, so it's forbidden. I

529
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: couldn't play anything that made them morning starting listen.

530
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 8: I was playing this kid, I played the changes to

531
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 8: on Broadway. One of the looked at me like no, no, no, no,

532
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 8: I like changes exactly.

533
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: So, so how is it now?

534
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 8: Like how was playing?

535
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 11: I don't know if you saw this thing a few

536
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 11: months back through this church in Georgia, he played the

537
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 11: actual record.

538
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 8: Walk it Out, I walk.

539
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 11: I think I played the minister and played the verses

540
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 11: and everything old churches of Dancing, and I was like no,

541
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 11: I stopped watching.

542
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 8: The video was like, but yeah, the influence is definitely there.

543
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 8: The stuff they're doing now.

544
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Speaker 11: You know they're playing to tracks, you know, so it's

545
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 11: extremely the church that's extremely musical. You know, those guys

546
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 11: are still playing and playing beyond you know, it's like

547
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 11: Todd rises and then it just keeps.

548
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Speaker 6: So, I mean church has got orchestras now, yeah, it's.

549
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 7: I think it's less religious. No, what about guys like

550
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 7: Corey Henry and p J. Morton, like like, it's still

551
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 7: church based, but it's not religious.

552
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Speaker 3: Would you consider to Triviat was he kind of in

553
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: that same lane?

554
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Todd, I think Todd helped change a lot, you know,

555
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 11: because him in the band sound check, they were just

556
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 11: doing some things that were like, wait, what is that?

557
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Speaker 5: You know?

558
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 8: I mean, Ale, you can attest to that, you know.

559
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know. It's it's to me,

560
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: like I still am, I like the the cranky old

561
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: guy in the corner that everyone's already bopping their head. Yes, yes, no,

562
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's for me. I feel like the overdoing

563
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: it of it all, yeah, frustrates the shit out. I

564
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: mean because like I don't know, like I feel like

565
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: the less if you act like a team like you're

566
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: now boring. All Star games are for basketball because just

567
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: like everyone's just taking leaps and everyone's dunk in offensive

568
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: shootout right, And that's where I feel like gospel chops

569
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: are now where it's just like, all right, we know

570
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: you're amazing, but like, what do you guys like as

571
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: a team?

572
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Speaker 11: Right, But it's again I would not argue with that,

573
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 11: but well I would argue that from that point of view,

574
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 11: like that's the level of musicality that's risen to. Now

575
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 11: that's the norm. So they just expressed it on getting

576
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 11: more musical and more musical you know what I mean.

577
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 11: It sounds like I mean the stuff that we listen to,

578
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 11: fusion stuff, that chick career, electric band and all that stuff,

579
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 11: which was special and different.

580
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Speaker 8: That's the normal church.

581
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Speaker 1: Do you ever do be power.

582
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 8: Is amazing, Gospel was amazing, his whole his whole family.

583
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: You are old or no? Now?

584
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's called Doob is a monster, dude you but

585
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 12: it's very uh d o O b I E. But yeah,

586
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 12: but it's very music like changes.

587
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's real.

588
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: You said fusion. It kind of like Vegas changes or

589
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: like nah nah na.

590
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: Nah, he's not he's wrong.

591
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: Do me the truth. Yeah, send it to your mir Okay,

592
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: why are your school me?

593
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 8: Now?

594
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 6: No, I just always like to keep up with everybody

595
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 6: on this show. Y'all don't know.

596
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 10: I'll be sitting here looking up everything y'all talking about.

597
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 10: So I might as well just send it to you too.

598
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: I see, thank you. I appreciate it, all right. So

599
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: what was the period that told you like, Okay, I'm

600
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: going to take the serious and pursue my dream of

601
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: playing music.

602
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 8: When I was in college and after the Chemical Engineer

603
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 8: and thebacle Peter and uh so, I left Drexel.

604
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 11: I went to community college for two years and was

605
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 11: working at Strawbage and Clovia, and I started getting gigs.

606
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 11: And I started doing local gigs around town with different

607
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 11: choirs and different club things, and then started doing some

608
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 11: things with some national artists. You know, some national gospel artists.

609
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 11: There's a choir called New Jersey Mass. I was working

610
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Speaker 11: with them. There's a gospel singing name Vanessa bea Armstrong Yes,

611
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 11: then Walker okay. So then I started working with the

612
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 11: white Head Brothers, went on tourter.

613
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Speaker 1: Europe with.

614
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Speaker 6: That's why is that when I meet you when you

615
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 6: are a Philadelphia International? Is that how that happens? Because

616
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 6: that's when I met James and Victor Is at Philadelphia.

617
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Speaker 11: Well that was after after that, that's when I met

618
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Speaker 11: Jeff Okay, the that's just Jeffrey Jazz. I mean Jeffrey Towns,

619
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Speaker 11: Jeffrey Jazz town.

620
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Speaker 8: Jeff.

621
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Speaker 1: Wait, you're you're skipping over very crucial things. I want

622
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: to know about. Who is your longest gig with as

623
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: far as like National Gospels concerned.

624
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 11: Bruce Parham, he was a Philly guy and I worked

625
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 11: with him. So it was Bouce as a Kywalker. Then

626
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 11: I played with.

627
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Speaker 8: Try try City with Donald Lawrence.

628
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, so guy Walkers call him up right?

629
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Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, that's just no, that's right. That's

630
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Speaker 8: keep fringle.

631
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Speaker 1: All right. So here's the all.

632
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Speaker 8: Right now the.

633
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Speaker 1: DJ Rogers one make it anyhow? That was Tarik's first

634
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: got that saying serious. Oh no, yeah, like you know,

635
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: like the special Sundays were like you're gonna get annointed

636
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: or something like that, like Tarik was for one week Threek,

637
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: It's going to be like Aaron Hall, like seriously, handkerchiefs

638
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: everybody this evening singa.

639
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Speaker 6: So does the gospel community do they feel like you're

640
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 6: secretly theirs? First?

641
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 10: Like they look at you when they see you in

642
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 10: the streets like come home.

643
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 6: But I mean like but like you can leave, you

644
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 6: can leave them, You could really just be with us,

645
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 6: you know.

646
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 11: I mean it's changed up so much. It's like where

647
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 11: would I start going back to do some gospel records?

648
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 11: You know, I mean, I'm do them my way, but

649
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 11: the way they're doing them now, you know what I mean,

650
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 11: it's like.

651
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: It's like super advanced now.

652
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 11: Yeah.

653
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: Man, so wait, you're saying this is like eight degrees

654
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: way past.

655
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 11: Uh Commission Commission so there's way past commission now, yes,

656
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 11: and I mean commission was just so cut measure.

657
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: Yes, that was like the foundation almost like yeah, so.

658
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 11: But there's still you know, there's still growing. There's a

659
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 11: lot that gods are doing that. You know, Like you say,

660
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 11: the music level is too high, dude.

661
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 8: Like Kim Moarell.

662
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, it's just very it's very technical, like the

663
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 12: gospel singers because I mean I work with a lot

664
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 12: of singers and the thing that you have to that

665
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 12: I notice with a lot of gospel singers or have

666
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 12: to have that background getting them to understand the difference

667
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 12: between being a singer and being a recording artist because

668
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 12: they just want to sing. Like the run it's runs

669
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 12: every two minutes. It's like fam, you can just sing

670
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 12: the melody and it's okay, you know what I mean.

671
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 12: Very Yeah, it's that like you said, like it's always

672
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 12: that very flashy you know what I'm saying, but technically brilliant,

673
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying. But it's like if you're

674
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 12: singing a song, you kind of got to give the

675
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 12: audience some room to you know, to sing along with you,

676
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 12: you know what I mean?

677
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 11: Right, So yeah, but but they be saying the ass

678
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 11: all though it's funny. Back back in the day there

679
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 11: was one or two singers that could do that kind

680
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 11: of stuff. There's one of two musicians that could do

681
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 11: all of you know, now everybody does that stuff, and

682
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 11: it's like, let's go back to.

683
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 8: Keeping it kind of simple.

684
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 6: But it seems like approach.

685
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: Take me through a typical week of this circuit, gig wise,

686
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: like what rehearsal wise? What what what required? Dress code? Traveling?

687
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, so rehearsing doing like you're you're Morgan Freeman and

688
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 11: this is a shawk. So we're rehearsing at some church,

689
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 11: some small church somewhere. Okay, you know what day, like

690
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 11: Tuesday nights sometime during the week, it doesn't matter, you know,

691
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 11: Funday night, Tuesday night.

692
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: Is it always organ or is it piano?

693
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 8: It's uh piano, keyboards whatever was there?

694
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: You know what, do you get a concept versus what

695
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: you're going to learn or you have to know it already.

696
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 11: But some things with some of the choirs, some things

697
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 11: are just like standards that everybody would know, not like

698
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 11: we were just people that know you you always you always, so.

699
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: You know what everyone knows? Okay, Pactice of stuff.

700
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 6: Go do it.

701
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: Go do a gig.

702
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 11: You know, there's a there's a gospel concert with like

703
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 11: forty people on it. You go up there and do

704
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 11: two songs. You know, you gotta have the d X

705
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 11: seven or you share. Sometimes you bring your stuff in

706
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 11: or sometimes you share. And sometimes people didn't want you

707
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 11: playing and stuff. You know my settings don't don't don't move,

708
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 11: don't don't don't don't change the transpose on this or

709
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 11: the drummers, don't change the symbols around. Drummers bring the

710
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 11: snares in drump. I've seen drummers walking with a snare

711
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 11: and some sticks and walk out with the snare symbols.

712
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 6: How much pack?

713
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 11: Oh man, I got quite a few cheese steaks and listen, no,

714
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 11: not even thirty five bucks, Like yo, let's just go

715
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 11: get a chef steak.

716
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 8: Ye and I had to split a chief steak pay.

717
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: Damn.

718
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 6: So your strawbridges money is your real money?

719
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

720
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 10: So?

721
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: But is but also like are you in units? Like

722
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: is it the goal to show out? And yeah, like

723
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: we going to that church? Yeah, all of that, all

724
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: of that.

725
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 11: You know, I was you know some of the bands

726
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 11: I was playing, and you know, I was always blessed

727
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 11: to have the greatest drummers to work with, so little John.

728
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: Laura, you know.

729
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 8: So you know we go do these gigs and show.

730
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 11: You know, everybody was more excited for Brian and John

731
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 11: than me because you know, they they was putting on

732
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 11: the show and I'm like, I'm just holding together with

733
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 11: my two cords.

734
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Broadway, all right. So what was your first foray into

735
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: the professional world that will take you to where you

736
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: are now? Like, what's your what do you consider your

737
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: first I got hired by Richard Timple's field.

738
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 8: I said, White, Okay, what was this?

739
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 3: The love is the one? Eight seven? Was this that one?

740
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: Or was it?

741
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 8: What was the record they had Feel Your Pain? Oh

742
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 8: my god, my memory.

743
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: So it's gone right now. It's just the white Head. Forget.

744
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: I was a g it was it.

745
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 8: Don't forget I was a gink Yeah that was what

746
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 8: this is?

747
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: White? That was the white had that kid the kid the.

748
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: Son, Yeah, I forget forget. I was the g was

749
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: the that was the one that was on the Jason's

750
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: Lyrics soundtrack. That was like ninety five.

751
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 8: We went towards Europe. You know, I'll never forget this.

752
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 11: We played London. This guy opened up for us and

753
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 11: everybody was laughing at him. Just do It's terrible, Mark Marrison.

754
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 8: No, he was saying, I.

755
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: Met you.

756
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 8: No, this is in London. I meet you in London.

757
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean you know what I mean? Questnesia like, never

758
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: heard that before, loved that. How many times I meet

759
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: you before?

760
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, Bill, well you thought it was your accountant,

761
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 7: like seventeen exactly. I'm pretty sure you still think I'm

762
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 7: your account right, That's fine.

763
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: No, No, you're consistent in your accounting sheikh right now.

764
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: I love it. No, No, but I remember I was

765
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: hanging out the Apollo. Who are the white Heads opening for?

766
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: That?

767
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: Was it black Street at the Apollo? At the Apollo

768
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: in London? It was black Street? Okay, we were over

769
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: from the Foot Did I meet you? That's when I

770
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: remember that's James Poyser. That's when it registered, because you're like, hey, Philly.

771
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, really.

772
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 8: You remember something? I don't mind.

773
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: This was Black Street and the white Head brothers came

774
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: to the Apollo. I think around December nine, December of

775
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: ninety five, I decided to not fly home for Christmas

776
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: and just stay at our apartment everyone went home for

777
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: Christmas and I stayed at our apartment in London and

778
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: I went to go see Black Street. I think you

779
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: are there three nights in a row or something.

780
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 6: That's cool.

781
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't remember that.

782
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 6: So wait, then, how did you hook with White Hair

783
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 6: Brothers then?

784
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: Because yeah, how did I just really?

785
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 6: I know, I know? But then did that?

786
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 10: Was that what lead you into like being because y'all

787
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 10: were kind of like supposed to be like the cannon

788
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 10: for for p I R.

789
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 6: For a minute, it felt like no, no, just wait

790
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 6: this way before that.

791
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 8: This was a little bit before p I R.

792
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 11: This was right when I met Jeff okay and became

793
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 11: and you know, he took me in a touch of jazz.

794
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 6: Have you met Victor yet?

795
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 8: Yeah?

796
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 11: Jeff and Vick I met at the same time. This

797
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 11: was Vic with the blonde head. Y'all remember that phase,

798
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 11: this before this is grand Master.

799
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: At one point Grandmaster Vic was probably neck and neck

800
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: with like jazzy Jeff as far as I cut.

801
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 6: The straight talking about a different victims Victor.

802
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, Grandmaster Vic, Grandmaster Vic exctic.

803
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Grandmaster vict exotic Don and Jeff and

804
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: the first print.

805
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 10: Different Back then, blond okay, because I was working, because

806
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 10: he always because also a Mary didn't.

807
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 6: He started wearing a turban and he did some locked

808
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 6: like you know, went through.

809
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: The hes, going through the sealed thing. Yea. And according

810
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: to vict he saw Daphne play the fine as Playboy

811
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: model of I believe that she was at Tower Records signing.

812
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: This is like a week before Things Fall a part

813
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: came out. She was at Tyro Record signing like a

814
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: I tens for the new like Playboy DVD or v

815
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: HS thing and I went in and got autograph. She

816
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: and her thank you, Like how did y'all get that?

817
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: Was that my eight ten? That singing in your studio?

818
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 8: Of of that mean to play might or was it his?

819
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 8: Because he came back and like I'm changing my name.

820
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said the same thing, said the same thing.

821
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: She was that fine, She's fine.

822
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 8: He changed his name.

823
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: I never knew from she was in a Visa commercial

824
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: that was like her first national thing in addition to

825
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: doing Playboy. But she was like in a Visent commercial,

826
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: fine as all hell. Yeah.

827
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 9: I always felt sort of from an outsider. I arrived

828
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 9: in Philly in like two thousand and four, but like

829
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 9: he always seemed like he was somehow a crux to

830
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 9: what had happened, Like was he at the center of

831
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 9: a lot of the stuff that that was happening.

832
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: He was there, He was involved in a lot of stuff.

833
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: He was also just way ahead of his time, because

834
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: I admit that I was laughing, like when James explained

835
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: to me, like, yeah, you know like Victor, and I'm

836
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: like Grandmaster Vic. He's a not like Victor, who play

837
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: trying to like you know, he's trying to do some

838
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: cool sexy thing like seal sting, and I'm like grand

839
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: Master vict wants to do that type of stuff. Right,

840
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: was just way ahead everybody. He was first of all,

841
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: the youngest. Is that Kenny or I think it was Kenny. Yeah, yeah,

842
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: it was Kenny on tour. Did he ever play guitar?

843
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: Because I don't think the world knew and Philly didn't know.

844
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: He was like Kirk Jimmy Hendrick the level of guitar playing.

845
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: So I met him, I met Kiddy. I think it's

846
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Kenny Whitehead, the youngest, you know a street music and

847
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: he was just shredding and I've never seen like a

848
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: young black person shred like guitar like that. And when

849
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: I heard Whitehead, I was like, all that ain't My

850
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: dad was like his father, ain't no stopping this stuff now, right.

851
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 8: But on the tour where they just now, yeah, just singing, well,

852
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 8: we would just you.

853
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: Know, I always thought that was just wrong call, and

854
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: like he should have played guitar more.

855
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 11: And like, you know, it's funny. Can I just take

856
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 11: you saying the first time you saw him? So I

857
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 11: grew up in West Philly. You grew up in West Philly.

858
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 11: We didn't know what, we didn't know each other. But

859
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 11: I see this weird dude walking around because I take

860
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 11: the g I take the l right, and I was like,

861
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 11: who this d And then I did a session at

862
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 11: the studio on Delaware Avenue and you were leaving, okay,

863
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 11: and I was like, who's this dude?

864
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 8: He was like, Yo, you don't know him.

865
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: He's wanting studios. I think it was a Cajun.

866
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 11: He's like, we don't know this dude on drums. I

867
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 11: was like, he plays drums. I see him in the neighborhood,

868
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 11: but I didn't know he played drums. And then the

869
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 11: Boys and Men video came out.

870
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: I got it.

871
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: That's my entry. So how did you meet Jeff because

872
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: you came around he's now he's the tail end of

873
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: he's DJ. I'm the rapper.

874
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 11: But really in the beginning of and in this corner,

875
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 11: it was little John, little John Roberts who he was

876
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 11: playing drums at Jeff and they had a gig at

877
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 11: the Zoo the Philly Woo.

878
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 8: I went to hang out. I was like, yo, I

879
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 8: want to be done with this.

880
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: Performed that okay.

881
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 11: Oh it was just Jeff DJing but with the band

882
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 11: and he had some other musicians playing, okay, And I

883
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 11: was like, I'm trying to know what's up. So, you know,

884
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 11: got cool with him and Vic and uh, this was right.

885
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 11: They just moved a studio from Delaware Avenue up to.

886
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: He left Studio four.

887
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, and went up to Near City Avenue. I forget

888
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 8: the name of this.

889
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: I didn't they moved there, yeah, okay.

890
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 11: So I started working with him there, okay, and worked

891
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 11: there for a few is some remixes whatever this was.

892
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 11: This was that when Jefferson always in a light doing

893
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 11: that fresh Prince. So then me and what you're on, Yeah,

894
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 11: I'm in a couple of episodes, really a couple episodes.

895
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 11: I was hanging out with Jeff and I was like

896
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 11: sitting in the back eating Roscoe's. I'm like, yo, will man,

897
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 11: let me get on one of these scenes.

898
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 6: Man.

899
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 8: It will took me right.

900
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 11: And it was a Friday, just before they're about the

901
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 11: tape and you gotta remember those extras there all week

902
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 11: for rehearsal, and he put me right in front and

903
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 11: they were looking at.

904
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: Me like you the cutters extras hate line cuts. Boy.

905
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 11: So again we're working there and Chauncey Charles, my brother,

906
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 11: was up there working with working the business with us.

907
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 8: And then we were like, you know, we're doing this ourselves.

908
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 8: Let's go off by ourselves and do our things.

909
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 11: So we're working at vix apartment doing nothing, and Kenny Gamble,

910
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 11: who was a friend of Vic's mom or Chelcey's mom,

911
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 11: was like, man, you guys, come, I'm gonna teach you

912
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 11: all what's going on.

913
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 8: So that's where I had the room.

914
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 11: If that's when that's where we first met you and

915
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 11: Keith too, Yeah, Keith, Keith's working there yet Chance brought

916
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 11: Keith down to like help handle little books or whatever whatever.

917
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: Keith mcpheie Keith McPhee started at Philly International.

918
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 11: Because I think he had just quit this jan did

919
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 11: he quit m TV at the time, and he wasn't

920
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 11: trying to travel too much?

921
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah yeah.

922
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 8: And then right after that, that's when he was like

923
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 8: back on the road with y'all.

924
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: Yes, Keiths who called me earlier, interrupted me.

925
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 6: They'll get to write songs for Damon Keith Williams all

926
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 6: of that.

927
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So what was your day to day at Philly International?

928
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: Because I always heard of like Philly Internationals opened back

929
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: up and everybody worked at Philly International. But did anything

930
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: come out?

931
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 10: Man?

932
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 6: You forgot no question, rumber, no question the group. I

933
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 6: don't care what your mama.

934
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all okay, I remember Wow, yes, but but but

935
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: didn't respond to it.

936
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 8: I was like, I just got big.

937
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: This is an R and B group, can take I

938
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: take it. I's no questions. I mean that kind of Yeah,

939
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: they steal their own faith. But you're right.

940
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, you're right, You're right right.

941
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 11: So we go down in the morning and just work

942
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 11: until like ten forty five, And that's when Zog who

943
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 11: was mister Huff's right hand man, and Zog played drums

944
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 11: on Curtis mayfield Superfly album.

945
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: Wow Okay and be.

946
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 8: Like time to go.

947
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 11: So we were like, yo, gams Man, can we stay later?

948
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 11: And Gamseling ain't no flophouse, y'all leave it out of here.

949
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: You wouldn't let y'all work late.

950
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 8: No, make sure close close the doors and send the

951
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 8: old But it's crazy. I had Linda Creed's.

952
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: Over them, the Creed who wrote people all the records.

953
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was so had the psychedelic carpet

954
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 8: on the wall.

955
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 6: It was crazy, all the original stuff and.

956
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 11: Just being there in sessions and louver All's being it's

957
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 11: crazy like the old louver Balls.

958
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 8: They were finished up Phillis Hymon's album at the time.

959
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: Did you play on any of those things?

960
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 8: I think I played on a louver All song.

961
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: Phyllis Nice.

962
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 8: I didn't get to I didn't meet her.

963
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: So what what years? Just so we know what was

964
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: Philly International? This is eighty eight? Yeah, ok, based on

965
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: his albums coming out.

966
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 11: But the greatest thing I got from that was just

967
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 11: sitting around listening to Gams and mister huff talk.

968
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 10: Yeah.

969
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 8: So I remember one time they were watching videos on TV.

970
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 8: Some girls group was on. They all right, but they

971
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 8: ain't let them girls.

972
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 12: Yeah, I wanted to ask you man, talk about your

973
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 12: process of going from being a musician, being a player

974
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 12: to being a producer, because there's a lot of people

975
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 12: who can play, but you know, making tracks or you know,

976
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 12: being that it's a different thing.

977
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 11: So at the time, I would I really wanted to

978
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 11: be a musician, just be on the road and whatnot.

979
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 11: And I met some guys that were constantly on the

980
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 11: road and I saw their living situations and I saw

981
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 11: that and I was like, remember me smart, because I.

982
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: Me me smart, me kicked out of ten different.

983
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 11: So I was like, Okay, this is not going to

984
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 11: mount to much, you know what I mean. I can

985
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 11: keep this is a monkey hustle. You know, I can

986
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 11: keep chasing this. And I was like, okay, what's the

987
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 11: next step to us? So I was like, okay, let

988
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 11: me be strategic and start writing songs.

989
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

990
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 11: And I wrote a bunch of gospel songs that you

991
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 11: know it's a Walker, recorded some Bruce par Ham and

992
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 11: you know a bunch of the So I started writing

993
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 11: other other songs. I remember, I wrote some songs and

994
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 11: I let this guy and feel he was like a

995
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 11: pretty well known songwriter.

996
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 8: Hear some stuff and he was like this is terrible.

997
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 8: Who His name was, Spencer, Bernard Spencer, Big Spencer.

998
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: I know the name Spencer.

999
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 3: I know that guy.

1000
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard it name.

1001
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1002
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 8: That's happened to me quite a whit when I send

1003
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 8: music to people and they hate it. Being one of them,

1004
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 8: it is cool, good stuff I did at the.

1005
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 11: Time, I was searching, and it was it was absolutely trash. Remember, no,

1006
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 11: I appreciate you like you you ain't lying and be like,

1007
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 11: oh this is cool.

1008
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 8: You're like nah.

1009
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: That his wife.

1010
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that. Yo, I love you.

1011
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, bro, I don't I don't want to

1012
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: have you out.

1013
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 11: I know, I appreciated that. I absolutely appreciate that. You know,

1014
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 11: somebody would have lied.

1015
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I still be doing some waknesste first to tell

1016
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 7: you the truth.

1017
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 10: But wait, how long ago was that because don't remember this,

1018
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 10: this is this had to be maybe early two thousands.

1019
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 12: Yeah, man, James like so with him, he and I

1020
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 12: like this was probably like, man, this is early two thousands,

1021
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 12: and we were doing this is when we were doing

1022
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 12: the Mentrol show. This whenever he was on the Mentro

1023
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 12: Show and we came up to the studio and I

1024
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 12: was just playing You records. I'll never get this was.

1025
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 12: I was just playing you records and we played the

1026
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 12: All for You record, and James just immediately went to

1027
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 12: the keyboard and just started playing over and I was like, oh, Ship,

1028
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 12: And I was just so honored that he would.

1029
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 3: Even play on one our records. I was like, ship.

1030
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 12: And so we ended up keeping it. And so he

1031
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 12: played on All for You on the Mintel Show. He's

1032
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 12: playing the keys and stuff on that. And then a

1033
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 12: couple of years after that he reached out and uh,

1034
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 12: the Fame movie.

1035
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 3: I did Fame.

1036
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: This was the movie did absolutely the movie.

1037
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 12: Did nothing but h maturity now and she was playing

1038
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 12: she had a role and they needed a song, and uh,

1039
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 12: James just saying he was like, hey man, I'm working

1040
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 12: on this.

1041
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: You think you can write something again.

1042
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 6: I'm like, holy shiped anybody?

1043
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, straight up?

1044
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 5: Now?

1045
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 12: He and he sent it and me and my homegirl,

1046
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 12: Carlida Carlila Durant, we went in the studio. We did it,

1047
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 12: and I sent it back and I'm just hell, Mary,

1048
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 12: I have no idea, like maybe this works, and so

1049
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 12: James he hit me.

1050
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: I remember, I never get We was on instant Messenger.

1051
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: He was like, man, you show off, show off. I

1052
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: was like, all right, I think we got it right.

1053
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: So so now we did those records and.

1054
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, then uh god, man, your first Place record.

1055
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 12: That was one of my first Yeah, writing for a

1056
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 12: movie that was like oh nine, and then I was

1057
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 12: and then like a couple of years after that, we

1058
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 12: did I red the phn ex Changes cover if She

1059
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 12: Breaks Your Heart. He remixed that, and he was one

1060
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 12: of your drum loops.

1061
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, for the rebix, this should be called I

1062
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: played on that two of you. Yeah, he did it.

1063
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 12: So now, man, James, he was always I mean outside

1064
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 12: of just you know, me being a fan of the music,

1065
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 12: I just always appreciated the way that you would reach

1066
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 12: out to me and just give me those opportunities and

1067
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 12: would always show up. And you know, just aside from

1068
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 12: me being a fan, like just you giving me those calls, man,

1069
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 12: that ship really meant a lot. And so anytime you

1070
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 12: call my all way, I'm like, yeah, I gotta deliver

1071
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 12: straight up.

1072
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 8: I love you.

1073
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 7: I get really nervous around poison. Also, man, he came

1074
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 7: yeah all the time he did a thing. I said

1075
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 7: it to him.

1076
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 8: I was like, fuck, listen this thing that you sent me.

1077
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 8: He was like this.

1078
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: I was like, what is wrong with you? I was terrified.

1079
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: I was terrible.

1080
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 8: I was like he shouldn't. Tru A million called me, was.

1081
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 7: Like, we're gonna do it, but James gonna be.

1082
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck.

1083
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: If he has to be?

1084
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 6: Is that your instrument? Bill the piano?

1085
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 7: I mean sure, but I'm a fake. I'm a fake

1086
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 7: piano player. I can't play like James can play, but

1087
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 7: I can like I can manipulate.

1088
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: With Submitty magic.

1089
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 8: You know, yeah, make it happen.

1090
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: Family love.

1091
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 9: Okay, folks, this is where we're stopping part one with

1092
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 9: my favorite member of the Roots, James Poyser. Actually Kirk

1093
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 9: is my fave. And then Black Thought and the questl

1094
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 9: Ever kind of tied for second place, and wow, wait second,

1095
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 9: I forgot stro He's definitely in the top five. And

1096
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 9: the horn guys Dave and I and there my bros.

1097
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 9: So yeah, James would be like six No wait, Mark Kelly,

1098
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 9: Oh yes, he's my man. So James is like, wait,

1099
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 9: me and Kamal have really bonded recently. So James Poyser

1100
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 9: is like, whoa hold on a second?

1101
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: Tuba?

1102
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 9: I forgot tuba, my man. That's my cousin. So uh oh,

1103
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 9: bad news for James, but good news for you, our listener.

1104
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 9: In part two, the conversation about you is transition from

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Speaker 9: a musician to producer continues with some deep dives into

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Speaker 9: the records he's made. Come back next week or check

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Speaker 9: your podcast feed for that one.

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Speaker 3: See you later, James James, James James.

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Speaker 1: What's Love Supreme is a production of Iheartradios James. For

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Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.