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Speaker 1: right to Tom. So we are in tom Would you

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Speaker 1: say this is central Manitoba. This the southern one third

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Speaker 1: far away from the Saskatchewan border. Thirty miles, No, thirty

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Speaker 1: You were you were born right here? Actually it wasn't, okay.

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Speaker 1: I was born in the old Canagan Valley and be

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Speaker 1: a Tom is a long time white tail and bear outfitter.

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Speaker 1: You know, if somebody phoned you and ask you a question,

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Speaker 1: But we're getting right, it's getting better every year right now,

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Speaker 1: like like we're basically hunting these deer on feeding patterns

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Speaker 1: They're looking for the highest protein they can find right now,

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Speaker 1: you know, mature Bucks movie. And what we're seeing right

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Speaker 1: So the young guys are maybe you know, doing a

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Speaker 1: They just breed. And yeah, usually when you get into

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Speaker 1: it comes to tub I mean, you ran three to

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00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: five head of cattle on this on this land for

427
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: years and years, and um, that's a that's a good

428
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: segue to talk to me about the diversity of wildlife

429
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: on this property because people don't know that. I sure

430
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: as heck didn't know it when I came up here. Yeah, yeah,

431
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: because I mean like like when when we see like

432
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: this big agg land, like we think Iowa and what's

433
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: in Iowa's turkeys, deer and coyotes. I mean like there's not.

434
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty much yet. Well right here, Uh,

435
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: let's just say you went through furbrawing animals on my

436
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: landers and I live against the park. There's sixty miles

437
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: a bush behind my place, and uh, let me stop

438
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: you right there to describe that you're up against basically

439
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: what we would call national forest. So your back fields

440
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: for sixty I mean, you butt up against basically national

441
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: force without a road, without a road, and so there's

442
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: sixty miles of what you guys call bush, we just

443
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: called woods. Yeah, okay, I just want to split because

444
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: that's a that's an amazing feature of this property. As

445
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: part of the reason the deer hunt is great. It's

446
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: the reason. It's like, if you're going for deer, we

447
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: have deer. We have elk. It's nothing to look out

448
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: our window and see thirty yolk or nothing to look

449
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: out here and see uh six bull elk and they'll

450
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: stay here all winter. Of course, we have moose. You know,

451
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: we've had elk in our yard. Moose in our yard.

452
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: We have deer in the yard all the time. Um,

453
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: we have timber, wolves, we have cotes, we have foxes,

454
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: we have badgers. Uh you know. On the fur bearing

455
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: we've got beaver and martin, you know, mink, every fur

456
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: bearing animal there is we have here, raccoons. Uh, it's

457
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: one of them things, worry kinda. We just have it

458
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: all and uh, you know, we can see this stuff

459
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: just about every day of the week. And and these elk,

460
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean this is like these aren't just like passing

461
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: herds of elk. You guys take elk office property almost

462
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: every year. Yes, we we hunt our elk on our

463
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: own land every year. And like it was saying a

464
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: while ago, we have good elk here because for a

465
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: long time we had the number two elk in North

466
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: America and it was about fifteen miles from here and

467
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: it was four hundred and seventy two and a half inches.

468
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: So you know that's a wild free ranging Now. Oh yeah,

469
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: we have quality. We have the most I'm not sure

470
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: if there's a Roseavelt or what, but we have the

471
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: most sought after elk there are right these and so

472
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: it's a it's a only residents of Manitoba can draw

473
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: these tags insteach a draw system. And and so there's

474
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: just a limited number, I mean, less than fifty tags

475
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: probably well very but like for US landowners in here,

476
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: well it's hard to stay. But we run a very

477
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: big area and we only get seven tags. And I'm

478
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: going to say that's in thirty Uh so you're getting

479
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: landowner tags. Yeah, okay, that's why you're able to get him.

480
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: But there's only seven tags and a hundred miles okay,

481
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: and so somebody will get that tag and then you

482
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: kind of you offer your land for sometimes we do

483
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: uh a lot of times, like we is free of charge.

484
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: Uh you know, if somebody gets a tag, we just

485
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: let them come and hunt free a charge. Just how

486
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: we are, you know, we outfitted, so we you know,

487
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: we kind of feel that we should give something back. Yeah,

488
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: and so just I mean like two or three weeks ago,

489
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: they killed an elk on this property right down where

490
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: I was hunting. Is that right where I was hunting

491
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: white tails today? Three weeks ago, two weeks ago, and

492
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: we've seen about forty to fifty elk on there, and

493
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: we've seen at one time Dev and I were driving

494
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: a just our pasture and there was five bull standing

495
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: out there and there were five and six pointers and

496
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: some had the real black horns at the bases and

497
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: that so they're you're real herd bulls. Yeah, you can

498
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: see that. We go for right any night. We can

499
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: pretty well go see oak most night. That's amazing. Yeah. See,

500
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: people don't typically don't think of manitobas, and it's because

501
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: it's such a limited hunt. I mean, like it's not

502
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: people can't come here to hunt, so we just don't

503
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: hear about it. But yeah, and then you were now

504
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: we've not seen a moose but in there, uh kind

505
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: of a sparsely populated animal anyway, I mean they're at

506
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: low Densty animal So, but randomly you'd have moose on

507
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: this James. Where James shot his deer, that's where my

508
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: sun shot his ilk and his buddy this year. And

509
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: while they were gotting the elk, there's a bull moose

510
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: that come out that I would say would be by that.

511
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: We've seen pictures of it, but I would say it's

512
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: from to Uh, it could have been too you know,

513
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: it could have been to fifty two or fifty four

514
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: in spread. That's a good that's a good moves. And

515
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: then today you and James saw timber wolf track. Yes, so,

516
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: and the wolves just kind of range in and out.

517
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's not always wolves here, but they just

518
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: kind of right come in and out. Yeah, there's wolves.

519
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: Then they have their territories unless they get kicked out

520
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: of a pack and then they just you know, they're

521
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: following the French fries around and that's your deer. Something's

522
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: got to feed everything and it's the deer your French

523
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: fries around here, and so that's what they you know,

524
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: if you get kicked out of a pack, they're looking

525
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: for the small calves in the deer, whatever it is

526
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: to survive. Yeah, we saw predator killed deer today right

527
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: out here in your backyard. We don't know exactly what

528
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: killed it. Probably coyotes probably, I would say we see coyotes.

529
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Not every hut, but yeah, we see clouds almost every day,

530
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: big old and they're big eats here. They're very big

531
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: kites compared to a lot of places. Say yeah, we

532
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: big kites. Yeah, it's just if you really think about it. Uh,

533
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what it does. I guess it's the

534
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: land or something. But our deer, you know, we have

535
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: good deers here, big heads, big girl kids. I mean,

536
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I've shot a fifty four inch moose, but there's bigger

537
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: moose than that here. But it just there's something in

538
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: the land that produces good horn. Here are bears, are

539
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: super bears like our big bear we got were six

540
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, you see. Yeah, and so uh, I'll tell

541
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: you what it is. It's the black dirt man. Could

542
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: be being from Arkansas. I mean, I'm I'm kind of

543
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: being funny there, but because it's a much more technical

544
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: answer than that. But man, this dirt is like black.

545
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: There's some nutrient rich you know, I mean, lots of

546
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: minerals in the soil, and that's why it's such a

547
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: good agg land. But hey, we hadn't even talked about bears.

548
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: We gave, we gave all those animals that are here,

549
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: and I don't think you mentioned bear, right, did you know? Okay,

550
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: So the same place that I hunted this evening, I

551
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: saw a white tail deer there this evening. Last year

552
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: I killed a hundred and fifty two inch buck out

553
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: of that same spot. James five days ago saw a

554
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: color phase black bear from that stand, and you guys

555
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: killed an elk out of that stand in uh sometime

556
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: in October. I saw a coode out of that. I mean,

557
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: you got bears like crazy, and I can't believe I

558
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: hadn't even said it. We've been talking about white tails

559
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: because that's what we're hunting this week. But hey, Tom

560
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: is a long was a long time bear hunting magazine advertiser,

561
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: and he had a he had a how many tags

562
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: did you have? Well, we ran as highest thirty two

563
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: tags altogether. A right when we were were peaking at

564
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: the end here we were down to twenty five tags.

565
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: We'd sell them out just every year we sell a

566
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: hundred percent it and we had like there's people that

567
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: have come up here and uh, out of five bears,

568
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: they were all over public being honest with like with

569
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: this one guy especially, there were over four hundred pounds.

570
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: We ran from four to six hundred pounds and shot

571
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: that many bears, h you know, for weight. But so

572
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: you're I mean to cut to the chase. What I

573
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: was gonna say is you were a longtime bear outfit.

574
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that we were. I mean

575
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: you you were. You ran a bear outfit like a machine,

576
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: and you have some incredible bears up here. Yeah, we

577
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: had lots of bears, lots of colored bears, high color phases. Yeah,

578
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: it was. It was a very good business in here,

579
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: and we we put we put a lot of money

580
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: into our feed, feeding the bears. We thought that was

581
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: the way we should go and it worked for us

582
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: very good because your success rate was very high. And uh,

583
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: I I figured most people, if you just watch what

584
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: you're doing a little bit, you had the opportunity to

585
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: shoot a three hundred pound bear. Plus. Yeah, that happened.

586
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 1: Just you know, if there's five hunters in sometimes four

587
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: out of the five would shoot a bear over three

588
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: hundred pounds in the same week. It was. They were

589
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: real quality animals, you know, and good skulls. We yeah. Well,

590
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: Bernie Barons, you're one of our columnists. He's a good

591
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: friend of yours, good friend of mine too. He came

592
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: up here and he's got a YouTube video of him

593
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: seeing over twenty bears in one evening on a fall hunt,

594
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: which is basically just right up right up the way

595
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: from your house exactly. It's it's yeah, it's on the

596
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: same quarter I live on. And he shot bears. There's

597
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: been quite a few beers right here where I live,

598
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: over five hundred pounds taken out. Uh. We got second

599
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: in the whole province once for a bear here shot

600
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: right behind my house here. Yeah, lots of bears. Incredible. Yeah.

601
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: And so to clarify as l so, Tom sold his

602
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: bear business two years ago to a guy that's now

603
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, a guy know, an advertiser in

604
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: our magazine, Baldy Mountain Outfitters. Tom Todd Walgemuth. And so

605
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: Todd has taken over your areas, got your tag. So

606
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: he's hunting all the same same baits, got the same color,

607
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: standed a bit. He bought another road, partially bought another road,

608
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: fitter road, and uh, I thought it was a good

609
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: bye myself. And he incorporated all the leaks up here

610
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: and that into his and uh it was a real

611
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: wind situation for him. By doing that, it was a

612
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: good business move. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so he's he's

613
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: up here now. So Tom didn't didn't have bear hunts anymore,

614
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: but you still got lots of bear on your place.

615
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: We have there's like got the site you're at tonight.

616
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: We've seen eight to ten coming in there, right right

617
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: where you were. Yeah yeah, and like the the bearer James,

618
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: and it was a brown bear is a black bearer,

619
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: but the brown face to it a and uh, those

620
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: bearer in there right now are running three hundred three

621
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: fifty I imagine at least that's what they are. Yeah, yeah,

622
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: their their coats this time. I mean it's November the two,

623
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: and we've got trail camera pictures of bears. We've got

624
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: three trail cameras out right now, just kind of as

625
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: we're hunting this week, and two of them last night

626
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: had bears on them November the two in Manitoba. But

627
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna den right there. Build Den within a couple

628
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: of hundred yards of where we're seeing them. I know

629
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: what the Danis are in there. Yeah, the bear dancers

630
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: there and they come in there every fall. Yeah. Yeah,

631
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: that's it's. This is an incredible property and just an

632
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: incredible place that we've just kind of really grown to

633
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: love the last two years. We really have. And and

634
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm still hunting. I've got one day left. I've kind

635
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: of had a tough week. Here's the truth, though, Tom,

636
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: is that if I had been muzzled hunting, I would

637
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: have killed it there on the on the first afternoon

638
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: to the hunt. I really would have. I mean, because

639
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: I believe that it was the first afterca It was well,

640
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: we got here a day an afternoon early, and we

641
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: hunted one afternoon. So the so the actual first day

642
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: of the hunt that evening is when we know it

643
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: was the second evening, second evening Tuesday is when we

644
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: went and put the stand. We hung a news stand

645
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: back in the bush where a bunch of a couple

646
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: of trails converted then in the bedding area with some

647
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: feet around it, and we we went in there hung

648
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: a stand and I know more than climbed in that

649
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: stand in the rain on that Tuesday, and I saw

650
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: a shooter buck at as he bedded down. So so

651
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: I I say that too, calibrate my statements saying that

652
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: we've I've kind of had a slow hunt. And he

653
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: had seven points on one Siday, he did he was

654
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: at five by seven. He sure was. Oh man, that

655
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: was carrying my bow that day. And and the other

656
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: thing that's hard about it hunt like this is you

657
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: you kind of calibrate. You calibrate the hunt based upon

658
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: what happens early. And so that was the first just

659
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: like right at the beginning of the hunt, saw this deer,

660
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: knew where he was, and so I was like, we're

661
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: sitting good. You know, it's just a matter of time.

662
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: I'll sit here a couple more times and I'll I'll

663
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: see him again. And uh, and the big buck sightings

664
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: for me kind of dried up. Now I didn't for

665
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: Steve and James, they killed within the first two days.

666
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: But right now, you know, we've seen on four different places.

667
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: If you think about it. We've seen there's a big buck,

668
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: yeah right now, but we just can't make it happen. Yeah,

669
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: that's just hunting. That's right, it's just hunting. It's north killing.

670
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, James, what else should ask Tom?

671
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: What's that? Uh? Steve? Are you in here? Is Stephen?

672
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: There anything else I should ask Tom? We talked about

673
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: I can cut all this out? Yeah, where to go

674
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: hunting tomorrow? Yeah? Yeah, you better ask Yeah, that's sad.

675
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Where to go? I just work here? Yeah. Now, we

676
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: talked about we talked about white tails, we talked about bears,

677
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: We talked about the land. We kind of talked about

678
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: your history with the land. We talked about the diversity

679
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: of wildlife. We talked about and see I did a

680
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: podcast a few days ago with Steve about his hunt.

681
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: I did a podcast with James about his hunt. So

682
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: we're covering all the bases. But now, anything else that

683
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: you'd like to say? Tom? Just in closing, just about

684
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: what you not even about your business, but just about you.

685
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you what we have. The fun

686
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: part of coming to hunt with Tom and dab Ainsworth

687
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: is you, guys, it really is. I mean it's like

688
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: it's like coming to your friend's house and he's letting

689
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: you hunt is huge property. We've always just like Peoping

690
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: ran our beer business. You know, we're kind of the

691
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: old mom and pop deal where you come in and

692
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: we treat you like friends. And you're not a number

693
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: around here. Like if you're going to go and stay

694
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: in a motel, eat out this and this, you don't

695
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: see your oad fitter. You don't maybe you know, see

696
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: your guide all this kind of stuff. Uh, you're a

697
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: number and Uh. To be in business the business we're in,

698
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: you have to become friends and family to in business

699
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: and to operate. That's my opinion. Now, you know, you've

700
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: got to be treated like you treat somebody, and if

701
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: you can't get that when you're going hunting, I guess

702
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: it's time to change places. As far as I'm concerned.

703
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: You've got to be treated, you know, just the same

704
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: way you treat people at home. And so that's what

705
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: we do, and it's it worked for us. You know,

706
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: I was in the bear business for years and I

707
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: never phoned a person in my life to come hunt

708
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: with me. Everybody phoned me how they found my numbers

709
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: and whatever, and your beer magazine. And I'm being real honest,

710
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: it was great for me. It was my outlet to

711
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: get in contact with more people and stuff like that.

712
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: And it's just works, you see. And uh but that's

713
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: you know, we just treat people the way we want

714
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: to be treated. And you've got to be foundly because

715
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: if you're a number, I don't think there's no personal

716
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: touch to it. It's just simple. Yeah, I can tell

717
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: you lots of stories are real bad things that happened,

718
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But you know, going on

719
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: a hunt, you've got to I've gone myself, so I

720
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: know you've got to put a lot of trust in

721
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: people when you send them your money for a depositor

722
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: a hunt and you've never even seen him and you're

723
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: talking to somebody you know, and uh, you it's kind

724
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: of tough to do. You know. I've done it myself,

725
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: and I know, like what kind of one of the times,

726
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: what am I doing? Yeah? And to do what you've

727
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: done for this period of time and to have the

728
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: success that you've had, I mean, you guys are you

729
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: guys are are very hospitable, your your people, people you

730
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: enjoy You've got to enjoy people I think to do

731
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: what you do. I mean you you. Every time we

732
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: get in the truck, every time driving down the road,

733
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: Tom's telling us about I wish I could have had

734
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: a microphone on you when we're driving down the roads.

735
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: What I wish you man, because you're like, such and

736
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: such happened here, and this happened here, and there's this,

737
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: and I do my fences this way because of this,

738
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: and I do this and this. There's a system for everything.

739
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: There's history behind everything. He's always he's like a tour guide.

740
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: You'd be a good tour guide on one of those boats,

741
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: you know. But it's just like when we go up

742
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: in the mountain here, I feel it's my it's my

743
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: part of my job. Like up here, like a blue lakes.

744
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: It's a hundred eighty feet deep. It's a little lake

745
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: that's about um. It might be half a mile long,

746
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: not very big. It's got the greatest trout in it

747
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: you could ever think of. And you can pull master

748
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: anglers out of there. Like nothing to me, but it's

749
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: a hundred eighty feet and there's uh, the large trouts.

750
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: They were catching the bottom and I'm according to them

751
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: they waited. It was sixty three pounds and it was

752
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: a sixty three pounds three pounds because they're bringing it

753
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: up milk and eggs out of them and stuff like that.

754
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: You see. Oh wow. Yeah, But it's your job to

755
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: if you're in business, you've got to know your area

756
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: and you've got to explain it to everybody. I think

757
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: that it's part of you. Just like you said, we're

758
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: a tour guiding or babysitting, you know, that's kind about it.

759
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got to put out quality stuff too,

760
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: but it's part of your job to know that. And

761
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: if you don't, it kind of pretty quiet driving around

762
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: if nobody says anything right time. I'm the same way man,

763
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: when I get somebody in my truck that I know

764
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't know anything about Arkansas and where I'm from. Man,

765
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him about how these mountains got formed

766
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: in the trees and the wildlife and the deer and

767
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: the history. The history. Yeah, it's you got interpret stuff

768
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: for people because you can't assume that people can come

769
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: up here and appreciate this. Like someone could roll in

770
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: here and just be like, there's not much here. Man.

771
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: It's just like we would go bear hunting up in

772
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: the in the mountain here we used to go not

773
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: I guess you call them hills, and uh, we go

774
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: up there, and I tell you guys, well, you know,

775
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: in sixty two there's a family over here took some

776
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: chainsaws and they dropped for or about ten miles up here.

777
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: They dropped all the trees down, and they put the

778
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: highway end up north through the mountain here, right, And

779
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: they did it for two thousand dollars. That was way

780
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 1: back in sixty two. And that's some history. And there's

781
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: old telephone lines in the bush where they ran the

782
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: first lines through there. And there's these great big old

783
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: insulators screwing trees and that. And you know, if I'm

784
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: on the trailer, I'll show the gates, say hey, look

785
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: at that. Look at that that goes back to you know,

786
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: I'll be there. But that's it's it's just good stuff.

787
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: You were telling me. You were telling me the other

788
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: day when we went and hunted the swamp over here.

789
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: He said, the there's a spring over there that tell

790
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: me about the horses. Well, there's a spring in the

791
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: bush there that never freezes in the winter and always runs.

792
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: And it it became like a small hill in there

793
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: because of the water pressure underneath. And my uncle and

794
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: then way back I'm I don't know when, but probably

795
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: in the thirties or forties or something like that, they

796
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: had a team hooked together and they took him in

797
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: there for a drink of water. Well, one horse slipped

798
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: and fell in, and seeing it had a harness on it,

799
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: pulled the other horse in and they never seen nothing again.

800
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: And they took a real long pole there, like I

801
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: mean a rail, and they put it down in there

802
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: and felt all around, couldn't find them. And I've put

803
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: rails in there myself that are say fifteen or twenty

804
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: ft long, and you let go of them and they

805
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: just shoot right up in the air from the pressure

806
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: and not just that's just the spring over here where

807
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: we're hunting. And that's why we have that stand there,

808
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: because the animals come there to drink water, and uh

809
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: so it makes it a you know, it's a pinch

810
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: point where they're coming to, and so so unfrozen water

811
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: in the winter is a limiting factor here. Oh it's

812
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: great because you know, if you've got to meltdown, let's

813
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: just say, five gallons of snow through your body system,

814
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: and take all the heat units out of it. Animals

815
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: get water in the winter up here, they just licked snow.

816
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: They're licking snow and converting it to water, and so

817
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: you know that takes a lot of energy. It takes

818
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: a lot of energy. And if they can go and

819
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: drink a cup of nice water, okay, it's alves the problem. Yeah,

820
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: and it's better for them. Well it's not better for

821
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: maybe in the snow, but it will be better for

822
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, Just so people can have an

823
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: understanding of the temperature here, because when we first started

824
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: coming here, we didn't really know how cold does it

825
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: get and how much snow do you get up here?

826
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: It depends on the years. But we will go in

827
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: our temperature thirty to forty below and sometimes we will

828
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: sneak over the forty below and that makes our temperatures

829
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: equal because the equal oude at forty. Uh. Usually it's

830
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: a short period of time would get a cold snap in.

831
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: It could be a week, could be two weeks, but

832
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: it can be a month. And we've gone through you know,

833
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: extreme the weather no days is extreme all over the world,

834
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: and so it's still it is extreme here. When you

835
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: get a cold spot in it could be a yeah.

836
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: But so when we got here on October, I think

837
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: it was forty eight degrees our temperature fair nheighth okay,

838
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: And then now the high temperature today was like twenty

839
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: nine or something. But I was looking at the fourteen

840
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: day forecast and you said it, you said we're almost

841
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: to the edge, and what you meant was the edge

842
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: of just freeze over. So for after like the middle

843
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: of next week, it's gonna freeze and and and it

844
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: won't get above freezing until probably April or May. So

845
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: it it's see for a Southerner, that's like bizarre, you know,

846
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: like didn't it James, I mean like we're we're you know,

847
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: for it to just drop below freezing and be below freezing.

848
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: Steve grew up in New York, so it's a little different.

849
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: But from months, well that winter, uh Canadians, man, that's it.

850
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: But we can have a decent winter too, and like

851
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: a decent wind for us is you know, it's it's

852
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: maybe you know, it just don't get that cold or

853
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: you know it's freezing all the time. But I'm just

854
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: saying that then then the bottom then just drop out

855
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: water here and so snow like a lot of Like

856
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: right now there's snow on the ground. We got here

857
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: there was not snow on the and probably this will

858
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: if we get another couple of other snows and if

859
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: we if it stays what it is they're talking our

860
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: temperature highs the minus six, minus seven stuff like that. Um,

861
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: it will stay. Unless you might have between two and

862
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: three ft of snow on the ground, you could get

863
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 1: it settles down. But if you get a foot of snow,

864
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: it'll settle down a lot. But our snow could vary

865
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: from a foot or sixteen inches, and it could go

866
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: up to three feet for example. It could go more

867
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: than that, and that's when you get winter. Killing these deer. Well,

868
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: we've gone through the mountain. Here are the hills up here,

869
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: scadoon and we've seen it where a deer would jump

870
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: off a scadoo path where everybody's traveling and it would

871
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: be level with his back and they survive. They go

872
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: into spruce bluffs and that because if you get into

873
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: a spruce bluff, the canopy, you know, they eat the

874
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: moss on the trees in there. They they survive somehow.

875
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, but yeah, and you're bigger animals,

876
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: like that's why I like elk herds around and moose

877
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: and that, because if you've got elk, they paw, so

878
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: they open up all this ground and then your small

879
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: deer can come in. And if they all walk in

880
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: the path, you know, they're putting little highways all through

881
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: the bush. For so the bigger animals are opening up snow.

882
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: Because we talked about it today because I said, if

883
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: we get a foot of snow, but these deers still

884
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: gonna be in the south falfa, and he said probably not.

885
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so much they can scratch down.

886
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: They and that's why an animal, that's why your deer here.

887
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: Instead of going from a grass system like eating leaves

888
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: and grass and stuff like that, it's going to be buried.

889
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: So their stomach change and they go to seeds. And

890
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: the idea that is, instead of eating a whole bunch

891
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: of grass or old grass or whatever it is, they

892
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: go to seeds. Will seeds are very high in protein,

893
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: so it doesn't take too much seeds, But the stomach

894
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: of an animal right now is changing. Yeah, and the

895
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: seeds are always above the snow, right yeah, you know,

896
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: we think of that so it's just nature adopting. Yeah,

897
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: but that's what happens, and that's how they Yeah, and

898
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: you're moose and that, well, they're different. They can browse

899
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: on willows and whatever. And if anybody knows that, you

900
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: know that willows and all that have protein in it too.

901
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: You see your trees doing that day and get stuff

902
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: a pie and you're elk. Well they're long legged and

903
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: quite tall. Well they can paw. So that's how they

904
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: survived by pawn, you know what. Yeah, and so this

905
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: winter too, you'll start shooting coyotes and you don't like

906
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: to shoot him. Now. I almost pulled the trigger on

907
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: a couple of them today, I felt, I know. I

908
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: texted Tom, I said, do you mind if I shoot

909
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: a cut because it's legal here if you have an

910
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: unfilled tag. But as I just as I was squeezing

911
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: the trigger, I was envisioning Steve saying, hey, Clay, those

912
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: those bullets cost two dollars and forty cents a piece.

913
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: I envisioned that, and then I envisioned Tom going, Clay,

914
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: there was probably a big buck back in the bush

915
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: about to step out when you shot that kyote. James

916
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: and they were talking about that I knew it and

917
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: right now he would admit that he was thinking about

918
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: the two dollars. No, so I almost shot a cut

919
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: but you you like to shoot him in the middle

920
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: of the winter when we usually don't shoot him, or

921
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: that we try to snare them if we can with

922
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: these rams snarers and that which illegal. And uh, I

923
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: like last winter we iveraged about a hundred thirty on

924
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: our cots, okay, and uh if you shoot one now

925
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: it's worth from you know, fifty bucks okay, right, the

926
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: hot quality, it's just because you and let me. I

927
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: want to talk about your trapping a little bit. Tom's

928
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: a big trapper and it has been over You don't

929
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: do it every year, but over the course the last

930
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: forty years, I mean, you're a you're a trapper. We've

931
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: did fifty and fox in one year and usually not

932
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: many fox it's usually I'm a guy. Yeah, but I've

933
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: got pictures of fifty in a year. So what are

934
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: they work now? So like if we killed one of

935
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: those right now and you were trying to sell the

936
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: hot on markets, like if you put a hole in

937
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: it with a gun unless it was you know, a

938
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: solid shell that don't blow up for example, Uh, you might,

939
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna say if they're damaged by being shot,

940
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: they could be fifty dollars. And I probably had some

941
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: last winter that went, uh may be possible up to

942
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: two mark. And you know, pardon who's where those hides going.

943
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: We shipp into Ontario and that and they go to

944
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: uh I'm not sure if it's Norway or places like that.

945
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: And they're your fur bearer buyers, you know what I mean.

946
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're making clothing out of this. Oh you bet,

947
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: they're going into your fur coats and the prim Canadian

948
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: and so so you you snare some coyoats. But you

949
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: were telling me yesterday to you how many pounds of

950
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: beaver caster did you? We have a place it's called

951
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: cedar Wood or something in Ontario and they ship all

952
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 1: this over for perfumes and that the casters, that's where

953
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: they go. And uh, we got eighty four dollars a

954
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: pounds straight across with no expenses on that per pound

955
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: of caster. For if you don't know what a beaver

956
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: caster is, it's a scent glands in the back of

957
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: the beaver. And they're small, I mean like one beaver

958
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: might have a quarter pounds of casters. Yes, it could

959
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: be more, but that I averaged eighteen dollars of beaver

960
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: for casters alone. That's how I averaged it. The money out.

961
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: But you can get a big beaver and uh, a

962
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 1: large beaver. You know he got have like fifty dollar

963
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: casters on him. Is what a saying? Oh yeah, and

964
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: so you had how many pounds last year? I think

965
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: we only had fourteen, but the guy that helped me

966
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: with my guide, I think he had twenty pounds. So

967
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: so I mean that's or something that's pretty good. It's something.

968
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: And then you got a bounty on the you got

969
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: a bounty on the tails on the tail. But the

970
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: government quit doing that because it worked, right, And that

971
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: was our joke because he said there's no more bounty

972
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: and Steve said, was there no more bounty? And what

973
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: did you say to him? It works because it was

974
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: work and so they quit it. That's true. And then

975
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: we had a big long discussion about government, right, the

976
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: efficiency of government. Right. So so you have trapped Martin's

977
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: and all kind of all these critters at different times.

978
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: You've trapped yeah, yeah, we trapped men skin them and yeah,

979
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: and you you've got pride when you're doing this, you're

980
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, you want to produce the you know, the

981
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: nicest for pelt you can because for sells on eye appeal.

982
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: That's how fur sells by eye appeal. You It's got

983
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: to be appealing to the eye. So you try your

984
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: best and you do all your tricks you can to

985
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: make something work. Yeah, it's it's your challenge. Yeah. Well guys,

986
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: anything I'm missing out here? Yeah? Yeah, Well, Tom, any

987
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: nuggets of wisdom you'd like to share with the Bear

988
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast listeners about life in the Far North.

989
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: Not really, but I'm just saying the Bear Magazine been

990
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: very good to us. Uh, it's the best thing we've

991
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: ever done. Probably was when we got a running ads

992
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: in the Bear Magazine. I mean it worked for us,

993
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: has sold us hunts all over It gives us publicity

994
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: you know that we needed up here. And you're dealing

995
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: with the right people. You're dealing with bear hunters and

996
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: primarily bear hunters, and they responded great to it. I mean,

997
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: they really were good to us. And I mean anybody

998
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: isn't Anybody that isn't with them should be. It's just

999
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: that simple, you know. And bear hunters are bear hunters

1000
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: and they're all connected and you don't know it, but

1001
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: they you know, the word gets out there and that's

1002
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: what counts. And if you're running good business and you're

1003
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: successful and have quality, I think it'll work for you

1004
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: by just advertising with you guys. And I mean I

1005
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that. Yeah, well, we've got one day

1006
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: left on my deer hunt here, And if you want

1007
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: to get a feel for what it's like to white

1008
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: tail hunt up here with Tom, go to the Bare

1009
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine YouTube channel and scroll down until you see

1010
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: thumbnail image of a white tail. I can't remember what

1011
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: the name of that video is. My mind's going blank,

1012
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: but basically, I filmed my hunt last year with you,

1013
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: and it was a really neat video and got it

1014
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: on Got the buck on film as a bow kill,

1015
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: just really pretty dear and uh so check out that

1016
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: video and you'll get to see Tom, and you'll get

1017
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: to kind of see the countryside and see some deer

1018
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: and and we'll keep you informed too about what happens

1019
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: the rest of this hunt. But hopefully, hopefully we'll be

1020
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: able to finish out strong. I mean, that's why this

1021
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,479
Speaker 1: is a sixth day hunt. Because sometimes it takes six days.

1022
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: You know, we try to give everybody all the you know,

1023
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: give you all the time we can and if you're

1024
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: come in in good time while you're hunting that night,

1025
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: it's just that simple. Yeah. Uh, you know, you've got

1026
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: to have the opportunity. Well, and that's what it takes

1027
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: up periods, patients. I mean that just you know, it's

1028
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: just there. I'm fully confident every place we're sitting has

1029
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: the opportunity for a mature Canadian white tail buck to

1030
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: step out. Now that just because he's a mature Canadian

1031
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: white tail buck doesn't mean that he's gonna have I mean,

1032
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: I think that's a misconception sometimes that American hunters have,

1033
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: as if you're in Canada, all the bucks are big. Well,

1034
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 1: it's just like at home. There's young bucks, there's small bucks,

1035
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: there's bucks that don't have the genetics, but then there's

1036
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: bucks that do you know and so and if you're

1037
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: not going to a place where you have that opportunity

1038
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: while you're you're in the wrong place. You've got to

1039
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: come to where there are you know, good bucks. And uh,

1040
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: you've got to come to a place where the mtunity.

1041
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: So it's just so simple. Yeah, well you provide the opportunity. Well,

1042
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: thanks so much, Tom, been a pleasure to be here.

1043
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: And I kind of had to twist your arm to

1044
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: get that microphone on your neck. But I knew if

1045
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: we could get you going, man, I knew if we

1046
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: could get you going, I needed to figure out a

1047
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: way to get this microphone on Tom. When we're driving

1048
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: around the farm, Oh, we had we had heard some Westerns.

1049
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: I learned that phrase from you, Tom. It's yeah, telling Westerns.

1050
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: That's Tom's description of guys exaggerating stories. No, thanks so much, Tom,

1051
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: thanks for being on here, Thanks for having me. Ka