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Speaker 1: Let's get the podcast started. Hello and everyone, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Colts Official Podcast. My name is Jeffrey Gorman.

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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. So we will check in with

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Speaker 1: her next week and find out what kind of prospect

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Speaker 1: board of this Colt's Official podcast. I'm glad you're here today.

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Speaker 1: Because we have to make some sense of what is

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Speaker 1: going on in Coltsville as far as the coaching staff goes.

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Speaker 1: We saw one of the coach Colts coaches get hand

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Matt Eberflus. JJ Stankovitz, Welcome on the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you know this story has I like it

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Speaker 1: because it hits home with you. You're a Chicago kid

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Speaker 1: So we are at a place, Jeffrey, where you know

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Speaker 1: reports indicate that the Colts are interviewing defensive coordinator candidates

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Speaker 1: like we talked about on previous podcasts about how the

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Speaker 1: have been demands for fixing what happened at the end

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Speaker 1: like Jeff Darlington or he's been right about this stuff

426
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: from the from the get go with Tom Brady, and

427
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: I was like, if he's putting it out there, I'm

428
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and trust that he's going to be right.

429
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: And he was right, and so was I the way,

430
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: Yes you were, JJ will thank you. I'll take a

431
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: bat on the back. But my thing was this at

432
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 1: the time we had that conversation, I still do this day.

433
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: He was runner up for MVP. Yeah, you know what

434
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Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, guys, runner up for MVP going

435
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: out on Hey, is he gonna pull a Michael Jordan

436
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: and come back in like three years? That's a good point.

437
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: If anybody could do it, it's him coming back at

438
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: what forty eight at that? Yeah? Why not? Right? You

439
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: know what? You know what he you know what he

440
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: should do? He should follow This is going to be

441
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 1: a deep pull for anyone listening to this podcast. He

442
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: should follow Minnie Minoso's career path. Minnie Minoso, it's a

443
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: former outfielder for Chicago White Sox who his playing career

444
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: started in nineteen forty six. He retired in nineteen sixty four,

445
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: came back in nineteen seventy six at the age of

446
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: fifty to play in three games, and then in nineteen

447
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: eighty at the age of fifty four to play in

448
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 1: two games. And Tom brady stat line, what was the

449
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: old man stat line? In those two five games? Ten

450
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: at bats one he got one hit as a fifty

451
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: year old in Major League Baseball. By the way, really impressive.

452
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 1: Tom Brady could do that, comeback, throw a couple passes

453
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: at the age of fifty, Say you did it, go

454
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: back into the sunset, and you know have that record.

455
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: Excellent man. We'll find out more. Okay, we'll find out

456
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: more what happens with Brady, but a lot to talk about.

457
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Speaker 1: Let's go down to Mobile, Alabama. Stephen Holder. How are you, Stephen.

458
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, got sunshine, I got sixty degree weather,

459
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know I could be doing a lot worse. Yeah,

460
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: you're definitely not. In Indianapolis, Stephen Holder, down at the

461
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Before we get into zo, some offseason moves

462
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: that the Colts will make as far as personnel go. Stephen,

463
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: I want to talk about what's going on with the

464
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: coaching staff with where you surprise Matt Eberflu's got a

465
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Speaker 1: head job at this point in his career after serving

466
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: four years as a defensive coordinator for the Colts. I

467
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: wasn't surprised. I mean, I think there's been some momentum

468
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: with him really in recent years. I mean, I think

469
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: his first interview on the first insrance really came after

470
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: his first season as a defensive coordinator. It didn't happen

471
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: for him, but I think you have to get on

472
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: people's radar for you to really have these opportunities, and

473
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: he has been on the radar now for a few years.

474
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Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised in that regard. And I think

475
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: he's the type of guy we all know him, and

476
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Speaker 1: I think when you communicate with him, when you really

477
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: hear him, you know, sort of breakaway from the coach speak.

478
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Speaker 1: Everything that everyone's ever told me is that he's just

479
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: exceedingly intelligent, just really specific and articulate with his plans,

480
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: and I think that's what people want to hear. The

481
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: other thing is he has what I think is some

482
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Speaker 1: really elite leadership qualities. I know he's defensive head coach,

483
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: and I know that The young offensive coaches are in

484
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: vogue these days, and there's a reason for that. I

485
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: can look at the Super Bowl and look who's coaching.

486
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Speaker 1: I get that, But I do think depending on what

487
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: your team needs. The Chica Leovie has just had, you know,

488
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: one of the hot offensive hires a few years ago.

489
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: It didn't work out. So I think what they are

490
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: looking for is stability leadership, someone who can instill a

491
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 1: culture and get guys to follow, and that's what they

492
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: think they have here. I think they're onto something now.

493
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: Whether he can figure it out with the quarterback and

494
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: all those things will have to see. But I definitely

495
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: think they were going for a certain profile, and I

496
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: think he fits that profile well. Stephen coming from a

497
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: cult perspective. Here, he's cleaning out the cupboard and bringing

498
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: a lot of assistant coaches with them. This defense looks different,

499
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: maybe so much on the field, obviously a little bit,

500
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 1: but coaching wise and at philosophy wise, and working with

501
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: a head coach. So I'm saying, not an entirely new

502
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: defensive staff, but a lot of new faces on that

503
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: side of the ball. What does that do for the

504
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Colts in twenty twenty two? It's going to be very different.

505
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: Frank Reiks never really had this kind of upheaval on

506
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: his coaching staff. He has had pieces leave here and there.

507
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Speaker 1: This is going to be the most dramatic change they've

508
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: had under a Frank Right. Basically, it's going to be

509
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: an entirely new defensive staff. I understand why some of

510
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: those assistant coaches want to go with Mattieberflus. I mean,

511
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: he is he essentially their boss, or has been as

512
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. He has a lot of autonomy over

513
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: or had a lot of autonomy over that defense. And

514
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: now that he's moving on, you have a chance to

515
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: continue what you built with him. You know, he's going

516
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: to want coaches that have a similar or an understanding

517
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: of the scheme that he prefers to run. So I

518
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: understand why you'd want to go so. But and the

519
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: other thing is the reality is you're going to bring

520
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: in a new defensive coordinator. He's going to potentially have

521
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: hires that he's going to want to make. You don't

522
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: know where you're going to stand with that individual. So

523
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: just from a self preservation standpoint and just doing what's

524
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: best for you, it makes sense. But to your question

525
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: about what it means for the Colts. It's it's definitely

526
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: going to be a shift. It's going to be a

527
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: shift also for these players who have had a lot

528
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: of consistency on the defensive side, and a lot of

529
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: them have thrived under Maddie Berflus and that staff. So

530
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: a lot of adjustment coming for everybody involved. Hey, Steven,

531
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: I want to talk about kind of where Maddiberflus leaves

532
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: the Colts because I watched his press conference yesterday with

533
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles, who's the new Bears general manager, And something

534
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: that Ryan Poles said when he was asked like, how

535
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: did you how did you get acquainted with Maddiberflus, And

536
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: he said, you know, everything's on tape. You can watch

537
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: film of any team, and when he would watch the Colts,

538
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: he noticed the intensity and the ferociousness of this defense

539
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: played with and that was kind of the starting point

540
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: of him being interested in Mattiberflus transitioning that over to

541
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: the next coordinator. How like, where do you think this

542
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: defense is? Whoever the next coordinator comes in, just that

543
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: foundation that has been built by Eberflus. This isn't necessarily

544
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: a scheme question or discussion but just about like the

545
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: mentality of guys like Darius and Buck and Kenny on

546
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: that defense, Like where do they stand with this next coordinator? Well,

547
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: I think one good thing is that he reflews what

548
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: he did. Was he really instilled that, and I think

549
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: the players have really I think kept it going the

550
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: last couple of years. I mean, he still was a

551
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: part of it, but it was so entrenched and and

552
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: just so understood that when when players buy in, the

553
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: culture kind of takes care of itself. The expectations are

554
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: set by the players, even at some level. So I

555
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: think that will continue. I think, you know, because I

556
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: just think the type of players that you draft, that's

557
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: what you get. You get the types you get the

558
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 1: type of performance that those players are prone to give you.

559
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: And these are players who play with intensity. I mean,

560
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard doesn't know any other way, you know, the

561
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Forrest Buckner. I think there were three defensive tackles who

562
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: played more snaps and he did this year in the

563
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: entire league. This guy is one hundred miles an hour

564
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: and he plays more snaps than just about anybody else.

565
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: So I mean my point is you have personnel already

566
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: in the building and they're coming back, regardless of who

567
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: the coaches who already play with that with that sort

568
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: of reckless abandoned and I think that's going to continue.

569
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: And you know Chris Ballard being the defensive person that

570
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: he is and lover of defense and having those expectations

571
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: that he learned from Lovey Smith back in the day,

572
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: and you know that is going to be a point

573
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: of emphasis for him. I'm not sitting in on these interviews,

574
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: as are not none of us, but I can already

575
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: tell you that's going to be a part of the

576
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: conversation because we know how he is and he My

577
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: understanding is that turnovers are going to continue to be

578
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: a very big point of emphasis, and it shouldn't be.

579
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: It's been one of the keys to the success of

580
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: this defense. So I think you're not trying to reinvent

581
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: the wheel. Who Ever gets this job, he has to

582
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: understand that he has a certain type of players player

583
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: and a certain type of mentality among those players, and

584
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: I think it's to your advantage to maximize that. Frankly, Stephen,

585
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: you've covered the league for a long time and covered

586
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure changes from one defensive coordinator to another. Is

587
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: it just as simple as saying we're going to get

588
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: a guy who has the same philosophy as madd Eberflus

589
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: and you mentioned I mean the players you know have

590
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: come up through this system. Is it just as simple

591
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 1: as that or are there more complexities to it when

592
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: you're looking to replace an established coordinator who's had a

593
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: lot of success like Matt Eberflus, Well, it's it's gonna

594
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: be you never know for sure. You know, that's the thing,

595
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: especially if you're dealing with someone who hasn't been a

596
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: coordinator before. But I think when you're when you're making

597
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 1: the change on offense in particular, it definitely gets tricky

598
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: because you have all this new verbiage and the playbooks different.

599
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing on some level on defense.

600
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna have new verbiage, You're gonna have

601
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: definitely new terminology, and the plays will be different. But

602
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: the good thing on defense is that coverages, there are

603
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: only so many coverages you can run. They are also

604
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: it looks like the pool of candidates that have been

605
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: publicly named are candidates who have some similarity in terms

606
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: of the style they want to play. I think you'll

607
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: see a lot of zone coverages from these candidates if

608
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: one of them, if it's one of them ultimately, and

609
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: so I don't think you're not looking for necessarily the

610
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: exact same guy, but you do want someone that has

611
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: at least a similar philosophy because at the end of

612
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: the day, like we've always said, it's players, not plays,

613
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: and to have those players really succeed, you want them

614
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: to do what they do best. The Colts have drafted

615
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: a certain type of player on defense, There's no question

616
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, they don't have three hundred and

617
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: thirty pounds defensive lineman. That's very intentional, right, So that's

618
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: just one example of them drafting for a certain type

619
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: of scheme. They want guys who get after it, guys

620
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: who run to the ball. They want speed on defense,

621
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: and that's what Ryan Poles was talking about. He can

622
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: see that, and they draft guys who are good at that.

623
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: So I think that is going to be an emphasis

624
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: in this process. Doesn't have to be exactly the same

625
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: style or exactly the same coverage as it doesn't have

626
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: to be, but I think the philosophy will have to

627
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: be similar. Stephen Hoole there from the athletic He's at

628
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. There's some needs obviously every year on

629
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: every football team with the quarterback situation, aside of the Colts,

630
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: because everybody wants to weigh in on that and we'll

631
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: get there. Some glaring needs for this next year's team

632
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: on the Colts and what they could find at the

633
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Give me some position groups that you're looking

634
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: at for the Colts to reinforce this offseason. Well, I

635
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: think you're always looking at offensive line. Well, even the Colts. Okay,

636
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: I think certainly they have a possible need at left tackle.

637
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher's not in a contract. That's a key position,

638
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: no question about it. He's coming off an injury, he's

639
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: obviously getting older, so they know that they don't have

640
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: a long term answer at left tackle. Hey, Steven, I'm

641
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt on this, but you're absolutely right. But

642
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: I want you to kind of answer these questions in

643
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: the back of your mind is what can we get

644
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: our hands on, because let's not forget we don't have

645
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick. We do have a second.

646
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: So like when you're looking at prospects and these coaches

647
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: and these general manager Chris Ballard, is there's some good

648
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: talent up there for some needs that the Colts have,

649
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: but at the second round, obviously the cover would be

650
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: a little bit bear. Yeah. The one good thing is

651
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: that we did see some We did see some tackles

652
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: slip into the second round last year who actually turned

653
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: out to be viable. I mean Sam costs me. I

654
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: think maybe late first round, but you know, you can

655
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: see guys get into a range where maybe you can

656
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: either trade up or maybe a guy slides. But you

657
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: have to really be good. You have to be great

658
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: at SCALT and I think that's where the Senior Bowl

659
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: is so critical because once you get past the first

660
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: round in particular, and we know, okay, if you've paid

661
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: attention to the Colts, you know their affinity for players

662
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: who come to the Senior Bowl, and I get it

663
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: because here's why, especially when you get outside of the

664
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: first round and a lot of these guys won't be

665
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: in the first round. I mean there's only thirty two

666
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: spots anyway, So once you get past the first round,

667
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: you have you have warts. Right, no one's perfect, You're

668
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: gonna have warts. What you have to do is make

669
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: a projection. Okay, how will this guy translate despite his weaknesses,

670
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: and this week at the Senior Bowl actually gives you

671
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: a pretty good indication of that because you're getting to

672
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: see them against top notch competition that you know, the

673
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: type of competition they'll see at the next level. You

674
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: can see you know whether those weaknesses get exploited, how

675
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: they adapt, how they overcome them, because you're going to

676
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: get players once you get past the elite players in

677
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: the draft. You are going to get players with with weaknesses,

678
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: with warts. It's just it's just part of the game.

679
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: Even at the very top of the draft, you're gonna

680
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: have imperfect players. So the question is it's not like, well,

681
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: we know what we know, what we love about him.

682
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: We want to find out what he can't do and

683
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: whether that's going to be a problem and how much

684
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: of a problem that can be. I think the Colts,

685
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: to their credit, look, I think a lot of their

686
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: best draft picks honestly haven't been first round picks or

687
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: even second round picks. They've done a great job getting

688
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: guys like say Julian Blackman, for example, tough year this

689
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: year with the injury, but to get a player like

690
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: that in the third round, that's a heck of a pick.

691
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: And I think they have done a good job. I

692
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: look back at Anthony Walker, who's now gone on obviously,

693
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: but Anthony Walker making a fifth round pick in twenty

694
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: seventeen and becoming the team's leading tackler eventually, Like that

695
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: is a great example of finding the imperfect player who

696
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: maybe fits what you want to do and maybe someone

697
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: who's really coachable and you know you can improve that guy.

698
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: That's what you gotta do. We don't know who that

699
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: is yet. Look, I mean it's very early in this process.

700
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you I'm an expert in

701
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: all of these guys just yet. But that's really going

702
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: to be the challenge for the Colts without a first

703
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: round pick. So very answered, But I hope that helps. No,

704
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: it does, And I want to ask about specifically last

705
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: year we saw what Chris Ballard did in the draft

706
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: going with Quitti pay Dio, dang Bo and such. But

707
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: all teams need, you know, players that get after the quarterback.

708
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: You're always looking at edge guys. Well the coach coach

709
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: try and reinforce that. We saw Brian Baker let go

710
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: as far as this, the front of front goes as

711
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: one of as an assistant coach of the defensive line.

712
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: So I mean they're making changes in that defensive room. Stephen,

713
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: are we always looking at ways to get after the quarterback?

714
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Or as Chris Ballard say, hey we're comfortable here, we

715
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: gotta fill some other slots at other positions. My view

716
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: of it is that there's a lot of talent on

717
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: this team. The Pro Bowl and reinforced that right. Colts

718
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: have more Pro bowlers than anybody. So what does it

719
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: tell you? It tells you they have some very specific

720
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: weaknesses that they have to deal with. And so if

721
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: you're asking me my question or my answer would be,

722
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: they need to really double down at where their weaknesses are.

723
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: I think, look, they they're great at linebacker, great, okay,

724
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: don't worry about linebacker. I think defensive tackle is gonna

725
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: be okay. Grover Stewart and DeForrest Buckner. I think they

726
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: are decent players. So there's another There's there's two ways

727
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: to look at this, you know, And I think Chris

728
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: Bower always talks about getting the best player available. Every

729
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: team does that. I get that, But I do think

730
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: they have sufficient talent at a lot of places. They

731
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: have also on the other end of the spectrum some

732
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: really important areas that how to deal with, and that

733
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: is what's going to hold the Colts back. So it's interesting,

734
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna test that philosophy of Chris Ballard.

735
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, he loves best player available and you should.

736
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: But I think they have some very specific positions that

737
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: are going to be a problem for them and may

738
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: hold this team back from meeting his potential. So what

739
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: do you do? Right? I mean, I think you may

740
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: have to take a step back and rethink some things.

741
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: I don't have the answers, But he's the guy sitting

742
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: in the corner office and so that's on him. But

743
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: it's an interesting it's an interesting dilemma, Stephen, outside a

744
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, what are you looking for in the next

745
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: call it? I guess it's four weeks until the combine starts.

746
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: Are what are some things you're looking for in your

747
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: coverage of the Colts in the next couple of weeks. Yeah,

748
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: I want to see obviously who the defensive coordinator is,

749
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: what is philosophy is. Hopefully we'll hear from that individual

750
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: when when the staff is completed. I think we'll be

751
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: able to tell not we won't be able to tell everything,

752
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: but I think we'll get some clues as to what

753
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: the defense might look like and how dramatically different it

754
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: may or may not be. I think so that's really

755
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: important because I do think while there are some while

756
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: where there we're some concerns to point two on defense,

757
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: I think largely the defense under Mattie Aberflus was pretty successful.

758
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: I just think over a period of four years, you

759
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: had you had more much more good than bad. And

760
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: so the key is, don't screw it up. Okay, that's

761
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: the biggest That's the biggest thing for this new higher

762
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: don't screw it up. The other thing is do we

763
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: get any clues? If you're asking about, you know, the

764
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: next month going into the combine, you know a lot

765
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: can happen before them. My question would be do we

766
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: get any clues about this team's intentions at quarterback? Now,

767
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna speculated because I don't know, but but

768
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: I definitely know it's pretty clear. Like a lot of teams,

769
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: the Bolts have some questions to answer there, right, And

770
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: so I think the question is going to be do

771
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: we get any clues about what may or may not happen? Remember,

772
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: a lot of shoes dropped before the before the end,

773
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: before the start of March last year, if I recall correctly,

774
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: if I have my dates right, I believe the Matthew

775
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: Stafford news, for example, was starting to emerge by then,

776
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: and certainly Carson Wentz's trade came soon after that. So

777
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: a lot of balls started rolling pretty early on in

778
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: the process last year. I don't know if this year

779
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: is going to be the same, but there are a

780
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: lot of teams with a lot of a lot of

781
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: quarterback issues, so I don't think people are going to

782
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: just wait around for someone else to force the action.

783
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: I think there could be some some things happening earlier

784
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: in the process, just by virtue of how many teams

785
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: have those needs. That'll be interesting. All right, So, Stephen,

786
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: you are down in Mobile for the Senior Bowl, and

787
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned the You know how the Colts have put

788
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: an emphasis on it in the last couple of years.

789
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: What are you looking for this week? What do you

790
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: want to get to know about this draft class? What

791
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: do you want to get to know about some players

792
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: that the Colts may be starting to do some scouting

793
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: on in heavier doses over the next couple of days. Well,

794
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: first I'm going to look for all the team captains,

795
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: because that's what they do. I'm only half kidding, but look,

796
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: the Colts have excuse me, I have in past years,

797
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I've noticed that you can kind of find you can

798
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: kind of see a Colts draft pick, you know what

799
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you can kind of tell because they're

800
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: not very subtle about what they're looking for. So a

801
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: lot of times I remember selecting Julian Blackman on a

802
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: mock draft that I did because, you know, because I'm

803
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: just so good at that. But I remember choosing Julian

804
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: Blackman and a mock draft that year, not because I

805
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: knew so much about Julian Blackman and how he might fit,

806
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: but I just I just thought, you know what that

807
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: is a Chris Ballard pick. Position, versatility, a guy who

808
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: plays fast. They needed a safety with range. It just

809
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: made so much sense, and sure enough they picked him up.

810
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: But that was really just that just boiled down to

811
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: just understanding the types of players they look for and

812
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: their profile. So they look for there's there's things on

813
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: the field and off the field, you know, and I

814
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: think we all kind of know what they are. It's

815
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: they're looking for they're looking for leadership off the field,

816
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: they're looking for those types of traits. They're looking for

817
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: definitely position flexibility on the field, They're looking for guys

818
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: who have I think are more proven than maybe unproven.

819
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: You know, you can draft guys that maybe are more

820
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: on the potential side of the ledger versus guys who

821
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: are more proven, and depending on the type of player,

822
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, one may appeal to you over the other.

823
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: But I think the cults have have lean more toward

824
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: the more proven and experienced college player, and they've had

825
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: some success in doing that, So I don't take any

826
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: issue with that. So I think those are the kinds

827
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: of things that I kind of look forward just what

828
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: jumps out to you and what might be a fit

829
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: for the Colts. The other thing is, you know, I

830
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: think it's you really do get a good sense. I mean,

831
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: since we were talking left tackle earlier, the pass rust

832
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: drills down here, I think are the most fascinating thing

833
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: because it's the most it's the most real football stuff

834
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: that you see, and you see good on good. You're

835
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: gonna see the best offensive linement against the best defensive

836
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: linement in the country. I mean, that's what you want

837
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: to see. I think at every level of football, the

838
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: pass rust drills, of all the individual stuff that you

839
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: do on the football field in practice, that's the most revealing.

840
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: And it's the same here. So you'll see a big

841
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: crowd of scouts. I guess they're a little social distance now,

842
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: but generally in simpler times you can see a big

843
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: crowd of scouts gathering up when they're doing these pass

844
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: rust drills. They really are revealing and you're going to

845
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: see I think the quarterbacks really do have an opportunity

846
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: to elevate themselves here. There are more quarterbacks, more top

847
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at the Senior Bowl this year than I can remember,

848
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: and part of that is because there aren't, you know,

849
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: sort of the the Baker Mayfield types in this year's draft.

850
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: When I say Baker Mayfield, I mean where he was

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Speaker 1: and is his pre draft standing and guys like that.

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Speaker 1: There's the number one pick this year is not likely

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Speaker 1: to be a quarterback. In fact, we may not get

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Speaker 1: a quarterback in the top ten picks. Who knows. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it could change, But the point is these quarterbacks have

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Speaker 1: a lot to gain this year. In the past, the

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Speaker 1: top quarterbacks had a lot to lose most years, meaning

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Speaker 1: all you can do is hurt your stock. This year,

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Speaker 1: they're not in the top ten potentially, so they have

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Speaker 1: a lot of potential gains to make by going out

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Speaker 1: and performing well. So we'll see. There are some really

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Speaker 1: interesting prospects here, you know, guys like Kenny Pickett. It

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Speaker 1: is here. Carson Strong is a from the valdas a

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Speaker 1: quarterback people who have been talking about. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that this is going to be a very interesting

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Speaker 1: and compelling Senior Bowl week from the quarterback standpoint, much

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Speaker 1: more than usual. That's Stephen Holder from the Athletic. He's

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Speaker 1: down in Mobile at the Senior Bowl. We're talking a

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Speaker 1: little bit of prospects. Which way the Colts will go.

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Speaker 1: We have no idea, but the process, as they say,

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Speaker 1: starts before we let you go. Stephen. You can follow

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Speaker 1: them on Twitter, a great follow, especially if you're a

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Speaker 1: football fan. At Holders, Stephen, I want to touch upon

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Speaker 1: and earlier this week, tweet that you have just give

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Speaker 1: me a quick overall thinking of what you meant when

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Speaker 1: you talking about you say, here's my thinking. Getting knocked

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Speaker 1: out of the postseason forced the Colts to have some

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Speaker 1: difficult internal conversations and included questions that need asking about philosophy, styles, etc.

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Speaker 1: It has forced them to confront some inconvenient truths. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear about that. I want to hear about

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Speaker 1: the late night meeting really quick with the owner of

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Speaker 1: the Colts on the night of the Jacksonville loss and

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Speaker 1: what he means when he says all chips are in. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think here's here's where I'm going with this. I

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Speaker 1: think the Colts at one point this year they were

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Speaker 1: well on their way to making the playoffs, no question, right.

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Speaker 1: I think anybody, anybody with with an honest assessment, would

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Speaker 1: have said, all right, that team is going in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: In fact, had you asked me, then I said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, they can probably win a game. They'll probably

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Speaker 1: get in, and they'll they'll win at least a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: And then and then at that point you let the

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Speaker 1: chips fall and who knows. Maybe you're the Bengals, maybe

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Speaker 1: they're Titans. They're out in the first round. Who knows? Right?

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Speaker 1: The point is, excuse me, I guess the Titans. We're

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Speaker 1: not in the first round. Bad example. The point is

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Speaker 1: it did, right, it did for the number one seed. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: The point is what I think happened here is when

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Speaker 1: the when things shifted, and they shifted in a dramatic way.

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Speaker 1: We were all there, we saw it when it shifted

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Speaker 1: the way it is you from thinking you had a

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Speaker 1: chance to make some noise to you're out of the postseason.

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Speaker 1: That forces you to ask yourself some tough questions. How

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Speaker 1: did we get here? Is the first one, right, How

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Speaker 1: did we get here? How did this happen? And the answers,

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Speaker 1: I think tell you a lot because I think here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. The Colts while they were going to the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and while they might have done something when they got there,

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Speaker 1: the question, though, is still a matter of how sustainable

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Speaker 1: is your model? And I think if you look at

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, the teams that are succeeding, they have a

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Speaker 1: very different model that The closest team to the Colts

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Speaker 1: and the playoffs that had some success would be the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers, But they're the exception to the rule.

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Speaker 1: There really are a lot of these teams. So this

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Speaker 1: goes back to the offensive style. For the most part,

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Speaker 1: the Colts are very run heavy team, and they should

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Speaker 1: be because Jonathan Taylor is a credible player. The problem

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Speaker 1: with that is you also have to pair that with

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Speaker 1: a dynamic, make passing game. And Frank Craik has talked

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Speaker 1: about this over and over and over to overcome, you know,

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Speaker 1: to have a sort of a middling passing attack is

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Speaker 1: a tough thing to overcome. And the other and beyond that,

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Speaker 1: here's the other thing. The Colts have built this team

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Speaker 1: in a very specific way. I love Quinton Nelson, Ryan Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are amazing and they did a good job

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Speaker 1: building from the inside out. I think you have to

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Speaker 1: keep building, that's the question. That's where I'm getting at

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Speaker 1: that with that tweet. You have to keep building. You

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Speaker 1: if you keep the focus on the inside, then you know,

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Speaker 1: look at who's look at who's making the plays in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's Jamar Chase, it's Cooper Cup, it's guys

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Speaker 1: on the outside. It's quarterback. And then you've got to

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Speaker 1: deal with them on defense obviously. So who do you need.

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Speaker 1: You need Von Miller, You need these guys on the edge,

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Speaker 1: Hendrickson and Cincinnati. He was a free agent last year

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Speaker 1: for example. He would look good the Colts uniform, right.

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Speaker 1: So I think you have to get the quarterback. You

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Speaker 1: have to be able to help the quarterback as well

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Speaker 1: with those playmakers on the outside, and that's where I

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Speaker 1: think the Colts have had a much more inward focused

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Speaker 1: than outward in terms of the perimeter. So I'm interested

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Speaker 1: to see whether that changes, whether these results change their philosophy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should overreact, ever, but I also

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Speaker 1: think that sometimes you have to challenge your own notions

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Speaker 1: and your own principles. None of us are are none

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Speaker 1: of us have all the answers, I guess is what

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Speaker 1: I'm in that So it'll be interesting, that's for sure,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Holder. Plus, we got free agency to talk about.

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Speaker 1: That's down the road as well. And what Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: does there. Doesn't have a big bank that he has

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Speaker 1: in years passed, but he does have some Jews to

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Speaker 1: spend some money. So that's a whole money going to

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Speaker 1: have some money. Yeah, they're gonna have plenty of money

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Speaker 1: to do what they need to do. That's true. Mora

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Speaker 1: will be revealed. They had fun down there, and MOBILE

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Speaker 1: appreciate the update, And of course you can follow him

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Speaker 1: at Holder Stephen on Twitter. He's a great follow and

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Speaker 1: he getting you up to date. And I like the

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Speaker 1: way you're breaking down stuff. You're getting your hands dirty

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Speaker 1: in this NFL game down there and mobile looking at prospects.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at defensive schemes throughout the year, Stephen Holder,

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Speaker 1: you may have a whistle around your neck before your

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Speaker 1: career is done. They wouldn't listen to me. There's no way,

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Speaker 1: all right at the time. The Colts Official Podcast, we're

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Speaker 1: at an end right now. We're brought to you by

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