1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: Everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing in Heels. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: The show is all about celebrating extraordinary superwomen who will 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: be sharing their incredible journeys to the top, all while 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: staying glamorous. Other than fashion, beauty is a topic that 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: I can get so many questions on, whether it's from 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: social media or interviews or meeting people in real life. 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: You guys definitely have questions about skincare and makeup and 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: everything in between. Last week I asked you guys to 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: submit your beauty questions for me to answer on the podcast, 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: and here to help me is my amazing producer and 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: have blood sister everything else, Mary Elizabeth. You all know 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: her at this point. So let's see what you guys 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: are needing to know and see if I can answer 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: your questions. So let's do it. Hi, Rage, hiy, Happy Monday, 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: tell me everything. Hang Noday. 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: I like to just preface for our listeners. I know 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: that they get these new episodes every Friday, but I 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: feel like it's important insider information to know that we are, 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: in fact recording this on a Monday morning. 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: Yes we are, and post COVID by the way, So 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm very yeah, so I sound a little funny. 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: Rachel was down, but she is back, feeling better, ready 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: to take on the week. I'm sure. Well, I wanted 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: to give our listeners a little Rachel's a life update 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: since we haven't talked to them one on one in 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: a minute. But it looks like, according to Instagram, you 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: went to a very fabulous dare I say themed party? 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: I think two weekends ago, a week and a half 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: ago somewhere I did tell us about that. You looked amazing. 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: Well, it was interesting. The theme was Beyond the Stars attire, 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: and for me, it was sort of like a dress 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: rehearsal because fun fact that may or may not be 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: close to the theme of my son's upcoming thirteenth celebration 35 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: before summer. So it was nice to see and it 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: was incredibly glamorous, but funny enough, like I'm one of 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: the only ones there. Me and another very prominent person 38 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: who loves to get into theme who really went there 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: were like the only ones that did like the makeup 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: and like brought it to some sort of mid tier 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: I guess hybrid of costume and reality. 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what. 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: Possessed me, but I just did. I got super into 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: it because I felt like it was I don't know, 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: it was a fun moment, and truthfully, I thought everyone 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: would do it. They didn't. They just wore sparkles. They 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: just wore something funny. 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: It's like, we're in the showbiz capital of the world now, 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: you would think people would really lean in. 50 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: I know, because I feel like if in New York City, 51 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: if someone was given that theme, they would have been 52 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: in like masks and like, oh yeah, like it would 53 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: have become like a masquerade ball and like you know, 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: and I feel like la is so cash that everyone's like, 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: what sparkley sequence do I have that I can wear 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: for this? 57 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: Or what do I have? The moon in a star let? 58 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: Me dust off my sparkly ugs. 59 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: Totally, And so everyone looked great. But I just I 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: really thought people would get more into like the theme, 61 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: but they yeah, but it'll be amazing. Honestly, your dress. 62 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: Was so gorgeous. Who was it. 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: Vivian west Yeah, it was Vivian Westwood, white sequin corset, 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: like a very classic Vivian Westwood. I think we've seen 65 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: countless people in the Red Carpet wear variations of that 66 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: Westwood because it's so like her signature. I don't want 67 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: to make an assumption that people know that Vivian Westwood 68 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: has passed recently in the last year, but she was 69 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: an icon and a legend in the fashion industry. I mean, 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: most notably, I think Gwen Stefani is one of the 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: people that really wears had got married in Vivian Westwood 72 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: and that. 73 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: Dress was epic. I remember that gapic because didn't it 74 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: have like a pink ombre yes the train or something 75 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: very Gwen. 76 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was magical. It was really magical. I mean 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: we've seen countless Diane Krueger, Jessica Chastain very recently wore 78 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: I think like a purple one to something major and 79 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: then yeah, so, I mean, but it was something that 80 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: I personally had not worn because it's not very me. 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: I don't typically wear corsets. I think the only other 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: one I've worn, maybe is the one I wore Jean 83 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: Baptista like ball down to the gla right. 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: And it had that that like sort of sheer like. 85 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: And the pink like yeah, others and stuff, So. 86 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: That was a good one too. Did anybody interpret the 87 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: theme like like galactic? Was anybody in like a spacesuit 88 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: or like dressed up like an alien. 89 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: Or yes, yes there was one in particular person that 90 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: us as an alien. 91 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: And then so funny are we holding for something? What 92 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: do you think is Roger Burman in there? 93 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: I'm doing a podcast. Do not realize I knew you. 94 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: Were going to yell at me. 95 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: No, those are mine, and I knew you were. I 96 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: was trying to put into us, sneaking it in. I 97 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: did try them on, and I want to bring them both. 98 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: But if you if you, if you really don't want 99 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: me to just bring the black, because I'm going to 100 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: ski one day, So if you really want me to 101 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: bring one, then just bring the black that. 102 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: I love this so much for our listeners, I'm keeping 103 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: this in. Roger just busted into Rachel's office and is 104 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: asking her, demanding her to choose a pair of ski 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: pants for their uncomic trip and that is to day 106 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: in the life. 107 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: Well, because they're perfect moment and I love perfect moment 108 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: ski clothes and i have like some amazing looks from them, 109 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: and I'm only going to ski one day, so technically 110 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: I should bring one pair, but I couldn't decide, so 111 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: I tried to sneak in both, but because he's in 112 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: charge of cracking the ski clothes, hested me and then 113 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: called me out on it. Just now as you heard, 114 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: got it? 115 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Well we'll have to stay tuned for what ski 116 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: pants make the cut. 117 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 2: I just want what you should. 118 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: You should tell everybody why you're going to Aspen, because 119 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: it's a big deal. It's a very cool, big deal. 120 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to Aspen for the annual Snowball gala that 121 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: raises funds for the Children's Pediatric Cancer Hospital in Colorado, 122 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: and they are giving me an award for my work 123 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: with children and children, you know, fighting different all different 124 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: types of challenges in their life. But as you know, Mary, 125 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: my number one mission his children always so and children 126 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: need us. So I'm very honored to get an honor. 127 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: And I think my children are going to present me 128 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: with the award, which will be. 129 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: Oh, that'll be really special, that'll be really wonderful. While 130 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: you keep together, I know, well, it's okay if you don't. 131 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: I feel like in those moments it's okay if you 132 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: can't keep it together, because it's definitely a reflection of 133 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: how moved you are and how much this the work 134 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: you do means to you and to your kids. Because 135 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: fun fact about Rachel, she has not been shy or 136 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: stand offish or guarded her kids from any of the 137 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: work she does in children's charity. She very much has 138 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: her kids with her and a lot of the work 139 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: that she does in serving underprivileged families, in having the 140 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: kids come along with her to children's hospitals to really 141 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: have them see and understand that they are very, very 142 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: lucky and fortunate to be healthy, happy children. And she 143 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: is really her boys, both Skyler and Kius, have a 144 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: very empathetic and wonderful, full giving heart because Rachel's done 145 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: a wonderful and Roger both have done a wonderful job 146 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: about involving their kids in the work that they do. 147 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: So you very much deserve it. And it's going to 148 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: be very emotional. 149 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be there. You're going to be with me. 150 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: I know I won't be there, but Pamela is going 151 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: to go. Rachel's awesome sister is going to be there. 152 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: That'll help. 153 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: Oh, she's help. It won't help the water works. 154 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: No, that's the only person that cries more than I 155 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: do in these scenarios. 156 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, it's Pamela. But no, We're all going to 157 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing that on social media because it'll 158 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: be a wonderful, glamorous and very moving evening. I'm sure, 159 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: do you know what you're wearing? By the way, I don't. 160 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: Even ask you. 161 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: That's also classic Rachel. She'll just set out before I know. 162 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: What I'm wearing the night before, I'm wearing Beaumont. 163 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: Okay, there's a step. 164 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: We're doing this beautiful dinner that Baumont is sponsoring, so 165 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: it's it's really amazing that they're doing this. So yeah, 166 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: it'll be a Beaumont kind of weekend. 167 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: Oh, very fun, very chic. Okay, Miss Rachel Doe. Well, 168 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: as you know, fashion is always something that people ask 169 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: you about constantly, continually, which makes a whole lot of 170 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: sense because you are a fashion authority. But the other 171 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: question you get asked all the time, whether we're doing 172 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: a press interview, whether you're pulling your Instagram followers, whether 173 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: people are walking up to you on the street, is 174 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: about beauty. 175 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: After they ask if what they're wearing is okay, yeah, yeah. 176 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they always like to ask about that, and then 177 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: they'll ask you about beauty. We actually Rachel and her 178 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: very good friend nurse Jamie hosted a Cureator event at 179 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: her Beauty Park along here in La So I figured, 180 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: beauty is on the tip of our tongues. All of 181 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: your followers, listeners have questions for you, so I thought 182 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: I would take you through a couple of their questions, 183 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: and I broke them out into three different buckets for us. 184 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: So we're going to do skincare, makeup, and hair. Okay, 185 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: those were your top questions. Okay, well let's just jump 186 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: right into it, shall we yep? Okay, starting with skincare, 187 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: which we all know, very very hot, popular topic, a 188 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: lot of lot of products out there, a lot of 189 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: information out there about skincare. So we got this question 190 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: multiple times. So I had to go first, what steps 191 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: are in your everyday skincare routine? So what are you 192 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: doing morning or night? But what are your must do steps? 193 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: So it's a loaded question. It's a loaded question because 194 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: I have realized over the last ten to fifteen years 195 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: how much my son worshiping for my entire tween to 196 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: twenty something life has damaged, you know, my skin, right. 197 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: But I will also say that I've now lived in 198 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: LA for twenty years, which is one of the driest 199 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: places to live in the United States, for sure, and 200 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: the amount of hydration that I can put on my 201 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: skin throughout the day is it's almost it doesn't matter, 202 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: like I don't think. 203 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: That limit doesn't exist. 204 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like when I'm in Florida, right, it's totally different. 205 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 2: And so I would say to that that while I 206 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: am here, I cannot live morning and night and sometimes 207 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: throughout the day there is I literally open my eyes 208 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: in the morning and I put Pyallanic serum on my 209 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 2: face and maybe a Vitamin C serum over that. I 210 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: use Barbara Storm typically. Yes, that is very expensive. There 211 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: are so many that are not Cora organics I'm obsessed with. 212 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: I use beauty fora clean beauty. I use a lot 213 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: of honest products, Honest beauty as well, which is very affordable. 214 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: And I think you know, to that, I would say, 215 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: I use a lot of serums without question. I use serums. 216 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: I use vitem C serums, I use Nia sin Zerum 217 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: B serums, as many serums as I can put on. 218 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: They actually work. They actually really I have found they 219 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: really work. I then one of my favorite moisturizers that 220 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: I'm now on my like tenth bottle of is You 221 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 2: Beauty her one particular product, and they're all amazing. The 222 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: arm sculpt, the body sculpt of this that they're all amazing, 223 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: the resurfacing compound, amazing, the you beauty. I want to 224 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: say it's called super Hydrator. It's one of the best 225 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: moisturizers I've used, and that is because it genuinely feels 226 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: like a shield. Yeah, and it keeps my skin hydrated 227 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: all day. 228 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 229 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: And it gives you that kind of like dooiness and 230 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: it it just really works, and I love it. I 231 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: really do love it, and I really would swear by 232 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: it because I've now tried a million different hydrators. Moistressures 233 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 2: is absolutely one of my favorite, especially for day. And 234 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: then I also love Shawny Darden's products are amazingly effecting. 235 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: They really work, hurt, they really really work. And again, 236 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: this is what I'll say about beauty. There are a 237 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 2: lot of products that cost a lot of money, and 238 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: there are a lot of products that are not worth 239 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: the money, and a lot of products that you need 240 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: very very little to apply, literally like a dime, and 241 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: that investment will last a long time. Now, everyone has 242 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: their budget of what they can spend within reason, but 243 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: I would say some products are worth it and some 244 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: are not. But I would also say that there are 245 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: so many that are you can buy in drug stores 246 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: and things like that that are affordable, that are incredible. 247 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: And I also want to say that there are cheap 248 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: products and we can get into that later. Not but 249 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: like ones that I use on my children, that I 250 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,239 Speaker 2: use on myself, that like ourselves, that are like incredible 251 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: that you can put everywhere, So we can get into 252 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: that way. 253 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: And when are you cleansing your skin, because, like like 254 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: you said, being in California, it's so dry here, I was. 255 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: I was cleansing morning and night, and finally I was like, 256 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: my skin can't handle this being stripped twice. So I 257 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: only cleanse in the evening and then like sort of 258 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: water wash in the morning because it's too drying for me. 259 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: And even when I use a cleanser, so it would 260 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: be at night, and even when I do that, it's 261 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: light and it's a hydrating cleanser. I use a cleanser 262 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: like an enzyme cleanser from Barber stm or I use 263 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: a cleanser from Core Organic's. My favorite one is the Tumeric. 264 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: There's a t I got a finger cleanser. I have 265 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: a lighter one, one that's just for face, and then 266 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: one that works almost like a and I use it 267 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: in the shower every single time I shower because it's 268 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: very gentle and it's like you can leave it on 269 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: while you like wash your hair and stuff. And I 270 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: love that product. I really do. As it pertains to 271 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: clean beauty in general, beauty products, especially for face. I 272 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: really love Core Organics. I love it. I'm so impressed 273 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: with how it works, honestly. But I do cleanse mostly 274 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: at night, not during the day, because then I use 275 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: an even heavier like sometimes I'll put like a there's 276 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: a Kora night mask that you can sleep in, Yes, 277 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: because you can get away with things while you're sleeping 278 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: that you can't put on during the day. 279 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Too heavy, Too too heavy. Yeah. Fresh makes a 280 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: really good overnight mask that's good for like tightening and 281 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: it feels really good. But again, you can't put that 282 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: on in the morning and then home makeup over it. 283 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: You're just gonna look like the makeup slattin off your face. 284 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: I'm also going to say something that's a big beauty 285 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: no no, but I I really stand by it because 286 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm always in a hurry. I use makeup wipes as 287 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: a cheat all the time. I do, and I'll just 288 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: use ones that are hydrating and not stripping. And to 289 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: be honest, my favorite makeup wipes are Honest wipes, the 290 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: pink I think they're pink, the makeup remover wipes. I 291 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: use them like crazy. They're super gentle. I even use 292 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: them on my kids. Yeah, because I always have to 293 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: remove things off their faces. Gods, so I use those 294 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: a lot. 295 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are great too. Okay. We had a lot 296 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: of listeners ask about under eyebags, lots of different questions 297 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: about that. The age old, the age old. What do 298 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: you do to reduce the appearance of under eyebags? 299 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, so I've been I've been blessed 300 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: in my family. I will say this, My sister got 301 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: it worse than me. She genetically has my dads which 302 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: are like huffy, yeah, and mine are not. They're there, 303 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: but it's it's different. I can cover mine, they're not. 304 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: They're not polarizing under my eyes, right, So I think 305 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: some of it is genetics and really hard to completely 306 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: make disappear. Yeah, I have learned that over the years 307 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: because I have many friends that you know and listen. 308 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: I'm just going to be very honest. I think at 309 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 2: a certain age and I and I have not done it, 310 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: but I will do it at some point. Products can't help, right, 311 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: Like I think you, There's only so much products can do. 312 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: Right. 313 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: There are some incredible depuffing products. There are things that 314 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: can help under iye, I swear and live by under 315 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: eye masks. I love them. I love the Wander Beauty 316 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: ones I think are incredible. I love the one one 317 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: One's skin everything, the one one one skin face masks, 318 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: especially the black diamond line unbelievable, and the IMA. I 319 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 2: will not do an appearance without using imasks. I will 320 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: not because they actually really do help in terms of 321 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: covering under eye bags. There's a lot of things you 322 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: can do. It is an art form and you honestly 323 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: should watch YouTube or TikTok and watch the makeup experts 324 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: do it because there is an art to it. Ones 325 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: that we as civilians, not make up artists, cannot fully do. 326 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: But I think the ones that all of us that 327 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: have little ones. The trick is you want to use 328 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: a concealer that certainly has coverage, right, like a medium 329 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: at least I will definitely say that stick coverage. Stick covers, 330 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: while thick, and I would recommend using them with an 331 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: I cream, really work better. They don't slip right off. 332 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: More liquid ones are for younger people that don't need 333 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 2: so much coverage because they're thinner, you know. But I 334 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: love the Charlotte Tilbury one. I love the makeup by 335 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: Mario Ones. The key is to use ones that may 336 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 2: have a little bit of orange or a little bit 337 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: of peach, a little bit of red. Right. So there 338 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: are makeup artists that will literally put pigment if you 339 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: have very dark circles, right, counter act, color correct the 340 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: color correct, and then apply a lighter, one shade lighter, 341 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: at least one shade lighter than your foundation. Right. That 342 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: is the key that I've learned is to not use 343 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: the same don't match your concealer to your foundation. 344 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: Right. It should be be a shade lighter. 345 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 2: It should be a shade lighter. Yeh yes. And you 346 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: don't want that under eye thing that is super dry 347 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: and cracky because that's so gross. So you want to 348 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: always have it be like a hydrating under eye, and 349 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: then you can always put a little translucent powder over 350 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: it to set it. But that's definitely one of the 351 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: tricks that I've learned from makeup artists over the years 352 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 2: because that was a huge thing. I was trying to 353 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: match my kids with my foundation because that's what one 354 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: would think, right. 355 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, yeah, but no skin is. 356 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: Doing your skin is. I have to tell you, it's 357 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: an art form. It really is. As you get older, 358 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: if you're someone listen, there's also people that barely wear makeup, right. 359 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: I have friends that are the same age as me 360 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: that where maybe they wear a concealer, maybe they wear 361 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: the lightest foundation. I'm someone that loves makeup, so I 362 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: like the contour, I like the skin different dimension and 363 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: I like that. 364 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just an art form. It truly is. 365 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: But I would recommend honestly watching the experts on your 366 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: eye because it's complex in that you have to know 367 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 2: your skin colors right and your tones and your colors 368 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: because for the longest time, I didn't know what my 369 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: skin tone was. I'm like, I'm olive, but meanwhile I'm 370 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: so much yellow, so that makes different color to correct 371 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: under like black and blue. 372 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, like a color consultation is like it is 373 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: the first. 374 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: I recommem that I really do recommen and now you 375 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: can actually do it online and you can also do 376 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: it like on Sephora and Alta and some of the 377 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: like better like cosmetic brands will literally scan you and. 378 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: Tell you and it should avoid And what you should 379 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: do is, yeah, do you do you ever do I 380 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen you do this, so maybe 381 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: you don't, but maybe you do. I don't know. Do 382 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: you ever do the ice rolling, to deep puff or 383 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: to like help with bags? 384 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: Yes, but the answer is no because I hate the shock. 385 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: But I will say this, I from the age of 386 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: probably thirteen, I would before school put metal spoons in 387 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: the freezer on ice and hold metal spoons on my 388 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 2: eyes because I always puffy eyes. You know this. I 389 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: have super sensitive eyes, so I don't get big black circles, 390 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 2: but I do get very puffy eyes. I'm allergic to feathers, 391 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: weird pillows like yeah, you know, so I've been a depuffer. 392 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: For a depuffer. I love that. 393 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so the cold spoons are an amazing quick fix. 394 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: And then when the whole cucumber thing came out, I 395 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: tried that too. 396 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the cucumber thing. 397 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 2: Cold cold alo leaves Also I love that very small. 398 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: It's very but I think those are really good tricks 399 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: to know at home that like you don't need money 400 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: to do these things, like my hollow plant, you know, 401 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 2: and just take some leaves and like, yeah, I'm in 402 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: the free cucumbers. Cold cucumbers like that really does work. 403 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: It's sometimes people will say, like tea bags work, so 404 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: fixes I love them. I love that at home homeopathic ones. Yeah, 405 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: cold it does work. 406 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you yeah again, but if you don't like 407 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: the shock might not be. 408 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: Really, I don't love the cold roller. I'm you will 409 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 2: never find me doing a cold plunge. I'm here to 410 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: say that. 411 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think there's enough money to pay you 412 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: to get you to do a cold plunge. 413 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: That's I mean, I'm the coldest personal life that is 414 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: the world. And I watch people do it. My whole 415 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: body quivers. 416 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a thing. It's a trend. 417 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: It's a thing. 418 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: It really is. Okay, next question, what do you find 419 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: effective for helping with volume loss in your face and 420 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: in your neck? 421 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: Well, let's see, I'm going to say people listen. I mean, 422 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: I am here to say do the natural thing as 423 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: long as you can go the product route, use the rollers. 424 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: I will say my Lima laser has changed my life. 425 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: I am here to say that the Lima laser is 426 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: one of the things that I have seen to be 427 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: the most effective thing you could ever do at home. 428 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: It is incredibly expensive, so I'm not here to say 429 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,239 Speaker 2: it's affordable, but I am here to say that if 430 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: you're spending so much money on crazy products that cost 431 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: almost one thousand dollars or like at home things, crazy treatments, 432 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 2: crazy treatments that you're going to these facials are getting 433 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: so expensive. Yeah, I would say that the Lima laser 434 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 2: is incredibly helpful. It stimulates your collagen. If you use 435 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: it even five to fifteen minutes per day while you're 436 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: on calls before you go to sleep, it's incredible. Like literally, 437 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: Roger asked me if I went and got something done 438 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: to my face. But yeah, and so here's what I'll say. 439 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: There are the most incredible topical things that you can 440 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: do for volume loss. They have developed the most incredible 441 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: laser treatments and micro micro needling like Certunza and god 442 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: it's called Althea or oh my god, there's so many 443 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: lass like that. He has that are non invasive. 444 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: It's not Alma lasers. Ah My, I want to see 445 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: one of those. That's really great too, And they. 446 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: Are incredible, but I will say they're they're not inexpensive. 447 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: So here's what I'll say. Do everything topical right, Do 448 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: the micro needling, do the lasering, the portenza, because it 449 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: helps the quality of your skin. It literally tricks yourselves 450 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: to regenerate and rebuild and rebuilds collagen. So like these 451 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: these developments are unbelievable to avoid having to do injectibles right, 452 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: But it feels at a certain point botox and different 453 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: fillers and the like are really game changing. When they work, 454 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: they work, You know what I will say to that, though, 455 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: you know, listen, it's a very long beauty episode that 456 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: I would get into about my feelings about it, because 457 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't. I am against doing these things at a 458 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: very young age. 459 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: Yes i am. 460 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm here to say if I had a daughter that 461 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: was that was asking me to do sorts of fillers 462 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 2: and treatments in her teens, I would be very upset. 463 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, It's a different conversation you and I sitting 464 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: here talking about any sort of injectable because we are 465 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: of an age where that makes sense for our skin. 466 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: And so I totally get what you're saying. We're not 467 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: advocating for young women or men to be doing this 468 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: at all. We want now, yes, you should enjoy your 469 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: youth and your elastic skin and your. 470 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 2: Natural hologen and ologen yees. 471 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: Another great I mean in Rachel's wellness box for Curator, 472 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: we had now Shamie has an incredible product. It's called 473 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: non injectable collagen and it's a it's a flavorless collagen 474 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: powder that you can add in as a supplement to 475 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: your coffee, to a smoothie, you know, mix it with 476 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: any kind of liquid and drink it. And it's not 477 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: a great Also collagen support that's not a needle or 478 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: a laser. So there's options for volume loss. You just 479 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: got to figure out what's right for you and what 480 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: you know. 481 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: I would say that if you're young, like, there's so 482 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 2: much available now to start doing to nurture and keep 483 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 2: your collagen levels, like your collagen strong, right, right, I 484 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: think that like twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, 485 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: like we didn't there's really drinking collagen powders, and now 486 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 2: you know all of these things that are so good 487 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: for not just your skin, but your whole body and yourselves. 488 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: So you know, I would say, do as much as 489 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: you can. Now. 490 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a good segue because the next question 491 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: we got several times times was what body lotion or 492 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: serum do you like to use. 493 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 2: I am very as I said, like, there are a 494 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 2: handful of brands that I use on face and body, 495 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: because they do do both, like Barber Storm, like Shawnee Darden, 496 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 2: like You Beauty. I love the super Body Hydrator and 497 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: arm sculpt by You Beauty. I love honest body products. 498 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: I love honest body cream and body oils. I love 499 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: Core Organics. I use the body scrub in the shower. 500 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: I use the body oil. I love One One One 501 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: skin has this incredible pink. The bottles pink. I'm seeing 502 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: it in my head of the body oil. I love those. 503 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: I love body oil. I use body oil. I use 504 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: body scrubs and body oils more than I use body 505 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: creams and lotions. And that goes back to our cold, 506 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: thin yes. And what's really funny about that is I 507 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: have been putting, as my sister says, lotions and potions 508 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: on my children since the day they were born. Yes, 509 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: and as you know, Mary, there for a lot of that. 510 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: They would come out of the shower and I would 511 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: literally drench them head to toe and Colendula Arnica Egyptian 512 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: magic like what I could not think of the name 513 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: what it was magic, that magic, an incredible product for 514 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: moms iredible. Yea, it's by the way, I use the 515 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: Egyptian magic now like it's just this incredible magical solve 516 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: that works on everything everywhere based dry patch rosetia dermatitis. 517 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: Like any very gentle an. 518 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: Also, colendula is a magical ingredient. The California baby colendula 519 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: also yield everything on my boy's skin, right, I would 520 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: say now that Skylar battles, you know, exima flares here 521 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: and there. He's outgrown it for the most part, but 522 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: he is really sensitive skin. Right, But so I would 523 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 2: say that that's the kind of stuff is on my 524 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: body and we use in our whole family. Is like 525 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: Egyptian magics and very clean body oils and serums. They're 526 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: the best. 527 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. Good takeaway. Okay, let's move to makeup. 528 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: You actually already answered the first question, I think, unless 529 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: there's another one, But it said what's the best makeup 530 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: trick a renowned makeup artist has taught you, which would 531 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: probably be the concealer trick. But is there anything else 532 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: that you've learned from, Like I mean. 533 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: Contour Okay, Montour is like who taught you that was it? 534 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: Like Charlotte Tilbury was Charlotte Listen. Charlotte Tilbury was the 535 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: original teacher for me for everything because she did all 536 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 2: of my fashion shows for most of the time that 537 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: I was doing fashion shows, and she did it. And 538 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: then Kate Lee is another makeup artist that I've worked 539 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: with so much over the years. Gillian Dempsey, A lot 540 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: of makeup artists that I've had the privilege of working 541 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: with for so many years taught me, you know, tricks 542 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: of the trade. Ashley who does my makeup, who just 543 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: went and had a baby, bless and Emma Willis here 544 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: in La have taught me the every day, the everyday 545 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: woman's trick to contouring and that has changed my life. 546 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: Oh, I would love to hear that. 547 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: I would also say that one of my absolute favorite 548 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: contour contour brands that I've gotten that I also have 549 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: not mentioned, but now that we're talking about makeup, yep, 550 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: I love Victoria Beckham's makeup. I look her contour. I'm 551 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: now only the fifth one. And it's a stick, which 552 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 2: is why I like it. It looks like it would 553 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: be a thin lipstick, right, So it's just a roll up. 554 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: It's easy, and I like it because you can be 555 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 2: precise with it. I have other ones that I love, 556 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: but they're much thicker. And I actually like this one 557 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: because you can do two lines on your nose. You 558 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: can do the line around your face and you literally 559 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: draw on your face like a crayon, you like a crayon, 560 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: and it's like a chocolate brown crayon. And I put 561 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: two lines, one on each side of my nose, blend 562 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: it out round the line of my forehead, blend it 563 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 2: up into my hair in the right under my cheekbones. 564 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: Yep. 565 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: And my kids love when I do it. They think 566 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: it's the funniest thing when they see me do it, 567 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: because I literally drawl over my face and then around 568 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: your jawline and then you blend it, and you blend 569 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: it like super easy, so it doesn't look super contoured, 570 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: but it immediately like shadows in places that you want 571 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: it to. 572 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: That's great. 573 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that would definitely be my best makeup. 574 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: And I love that, you know, just the queen of 575 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: all everything in Charlotte Tilbury taught you that Cadual. 576 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: I mean, she really is the queen. I mean she 577 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: lives what, she what she. 578 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: And she's a character. She's so much energy, it's so funny. 579 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: It's the queen bubbly. Yeah, she's a legend. Okay, moving on, 580 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: what are some of your favorite eyeliners right now? 581 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: I would say, oh my god, I did not you 582 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: know why, because we're just talking about makeup now. How 583 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: did I not talk about this? I'm obsessed with rare beauty, Selena. 584 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: I love Selena Gomez's line and again a clean beauty line. 585 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna say it here now. I am 586 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: the first one that's skeptical about clean beauty in terms 587 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: of makeup and sort of how it's one thing with 588 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 2: skincare makeup, it's a different thing makeup. For me, the 589 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: beginning eras of clean beauty were not effective in terms 590 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 2: of makeup. They just didn't stay on. They did and 591 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: apply as well, and they expired really quickly. I would say, 592 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 2: in terms of makeup, my tried and true favorites that 593 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: are in my makeup bag are literally good. Yous men Westman. 594 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 2: Attilie also another brilliant makeup artist, and hers is clean. 595 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: Her foundation sticks are game changing. Her products are incredible. 596 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: I love Merit Beauty also has an amazing contour, bronzing 597 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 2: kind of stick that I love that I love. I 598 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: love Merit eyebrow. 599 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 1: Jel yeah so good. 600 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 2: I love Merit mascara. I love Rare Beauty eyeliner. I 601 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 2: am now on my tenth Rare Beauty. What liquid eyeliner? 602 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: Okay? I was going to say, what shade do you like? 603 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: Because okay, I now in my thirties, have maybe mid 604 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: to late thirties, you know, maybe later than mid. I 605 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: notice that when I do a black like a like 606 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: a true black eyeliner. 607 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 2: I go, emmy, oh my god, you look so major. 608 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: But I always feel like I look older than when 609 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: I use like a brown, brown or more neutral tonal color. Okay, 610 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: So what is your takeaway from black? 611 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 2: Okay? 612 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: Black? To me, I'm like, oh my god, it's my mother. 613 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: The black is intense. Black is intense. I think to 614 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 2: answer that black is great for night when you want 615 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: more of an eye and you're going to be in 616 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 2: darker lighting, sure brown and every shade of brown. I 617 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: have every shade of Victoria back on eyeliner. They go 618 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 2: on like frosting. They're literally like velvet. 619 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: Beautiful colors too. 620 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 2: The colors are gorgeous, they smudge really well. I love 621 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: her shades of brown. I wear them every day. I 622 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 2: love Mario's makeup by Mario. It's what's Mario beauty Maria, 623 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: It's makeup Maria. I use his eyeliners. I love them. 624 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: And again, I think for day and everyday life, browns 625 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 2: are great, and I think even if you're not comfortable 626 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: with black, then do just a deeper chocolate brown and 627 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: smudge it out at night. But I love eyeliner. It's 628 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 2: part of my five minute routine. I love it. I 629 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 2: think it's because I have like yellow green eyes, and 630 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: I think I was taught when I was young, like honey, 631 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 2: you have to wear liner, like it just pulls out 632 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 2: the yellow, right. I don't know, so I just I 633 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: just feel naked without eyeliner and mascara. So it's right, 634 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 2: But what a natural day you smudge it. It's not 635 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: as severe, you know. Yeah, I mean I love a 636 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 2: liquid liner. 637 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: But again, it's like that would be for nighttime because 638 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: if I wear it during the day, I feel like 639 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: I'm wearing a mask of my mom. 640 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 2: But a brown eyeliner is is hard, like a brown liquid, 641 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 2: I would say, is more tricky. Like I would say, yeah, 642 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: they're pouty, They're like a green power. Yeah, I would do. 643 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 2: I don't know again, like Merit Victoria Backham eyeliner, so good, 644 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 2: so good, but I've got to try. I'm obsessed with 645 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with it. I really am rare beauty. I 646 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: mean those are like tried and true right now, I'm obsessed. 647 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 2: The one last thing I would say to just touch 648 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 2: on Charlotte Tilbury her color chameleon. I want to say, 649 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: they're called the sticks. 650 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: I love those things. 651 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 2: The black diamond or the amber haze, or the emeralds 652 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 2: green like the emerald whatever, smoky courts. They're all amazing. 653 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 2: And those are like all in one. Her makeup is expensive. 654 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: But what I would say to that is it's an 655 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: all in one, so you can use it as a liner, 656 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 2: you can smudge it and use it as a shadow. 657 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 2: So I like things that are multi. 658 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: Functional, Oh for sure. Yeah, And I find my Charlotte, 659 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: I will last me a long time, like's it's a 660 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: good you know, cost per use situation because because it 661 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: just a little goes a long way and you can 662 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: use it for a very very long time, which is 663 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I love her stuff. Okay, speaking 664 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: about liners, do you use slip liner or just lipstick? 665 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: And is it still a thing for us to be 666 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: overlining our lips? 667 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 2: No? No, don't overline? Well, that depends. 668 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have never successfully overlined my lips. I look 669 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: like an absolute clown. I've never successfully been able to 670 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: do that. 671 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 2: But I've been fortunate in my life to have full lips. 672 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 2: My mother gave them to me. 673 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: Yes, you do. 674 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,919 Speaker 2: I have full lips. So I am not someone who 675 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 2: loves to overdraw. I will draw to even out because 676 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,919 Speaker 2: everyone has one side that's like lower, so I will 677 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: draw to to to even it out. But also you 678 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: can go a little under to just even so I'm 679 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 2: okay with like a millimeter, But don't underline it because 680 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 2: that's not good either, right, so you have to go 681 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 2: a little outside the line. Okay, you do, But again, 682 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 2: these are great things to watch like an expert do 683 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: on YouTube or TikTok or Instagram because all of the 684 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 2: best makeup artists like Mary Phillips and Hang Vong Goh 685 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 2: and Gucci Westman and Charlotte Tillerbray. They do these tutorials 686 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 2: day in and day out on social so it's so 687 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 2: easy to see how to do it properly, because not 688 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 2: done properly, it's no way now. So what I would 689 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: say to that is, I do wear lipliner, and I 690 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 2: wear it because I think it stays on better when 691 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 2: I line it. In the nineties, I only wore lipliner. 692 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 2: In the early two thousand, I probably only wore lipliner 693 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 2: with like a little lip bomb over it. And I 694 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 2: will say this, it never came off. I never had 695 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 2: to reapply throughout the night. So there are and now 696 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 2: that nineties makeup is back, like people are literally doing 697 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 2: that again. 698 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: Right, the Browns are coming back the BNP. 699 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 2: I can't bear a Matte lip, a Matt anything. I 700 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 2: will not do Matt. I don't care if the nineties 701 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 2: are back. I was there the first time, so I 702 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 2: don't have to do it now. I don't do Matt. 703 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 2: I think Matt at a certain age makes you look 704 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 2: older because your skin looks so dry. I like fresh, 705 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 2: dewy skin. I like a little bit of achine. I 706 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 2: like a little bit of a highlight on the cheek. 707 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 2: I won't leave home without it, even care what the 708 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 2: trends are. So my approach in general to makeup is 709 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 2: the same as it is to clothing. You have to 710 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 2: do what works for you. You cannot be a victim 711 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 2: of trend with makeup. You take the trend and you 712 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 2: apply it to your life and your skin and your 713 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 2: age and what works best for you. I will always 714 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 2: have Hydrated skin makes you look older. It just does. 715 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 2: And I'm here to say that. I'm not an expert, 716 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 2: but I'm here to say that. So makeup gets stuck 717 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 2: in the cracks and your lips are cracked and everything else. 718 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 2: So I apply serums throughout the day. I apply hydrating 719 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 2: products on top of my makeup. I don't know if 720 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 2: you're allowed to do that, but I do it. 721 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: You do it, you break all the beauty rules. 722 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 2: I do. But I would say this, I have found 723 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 2: what looks more natural on me is when I apply 724 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 2: my lip color, which is always a hydrated lip color, 725 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 2: usually a like a wine plum berry of sorts, and 726 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 2: then I'll actually apply the liner afterwards. That's interesting it 727 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 2: looks better for me. 728 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: To just add more pigment and kind of just just 729 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: to where you're uneven, almost like trap it. 730 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 2: It's like you're wrapping it. 731 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah right, Okay, I like that. I don't say it's like. 732 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: I'm stealing it and shaping it. 733 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: Okay, clever. I like that tip. I'm going to try that. 734 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 2: Okay. 735 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: Moving to hair, A lot of hair questions for you. 736 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: My personal favorite one would be, would you ever dye 737 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: your hair another color? Yeah? No, she's a blonde for life. 738 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 2: I am blonde for life. I also go various shades 739 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 2: of blonde, brightness, slighter, like sometimes I'll look back. I 740 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 2: just look back at a picture from August and I 741 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 2: was like, Jesus, I should never be that blonde. I've 742 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 2: looked at pictures when. 743 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: Your skin gets a little more tan too. Yeah. Yeah, 744 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: I always say I go very like full Cogan in 745 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: the summer. It's not great. I gotta I'll back the blonde. Yeah. 746 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I like to be warmer when I'm tanner, 747 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 2: but no, I won't. My kids are dying for me 748 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 2: to be brunette because they want me to match them. 749 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Well, I guess they 750 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: match Roger, so they feel like they've got some matching. 751 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 2: Good They want to like, they want me to match them. 752 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: But if you are listening and you're curious about what 753 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 1: Rachel looks like with darker hair, just scroll back on 754 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: her Instagram and you'll see some of the throwback photos 755 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: she's done, and she's gorgeous. 756 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 2: I look like Caius. 757 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: You look just like Pius. 758 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,919 Speaker 2: I just looked at a picture from when I first 759 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 2: met Roger, and I look like Caius. I'm like, in 760 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 2: case we're wondering who he looks. 761 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, yeah, you're you're twins. Another question that was 762 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: a favorite of mine was do you ever style your 763 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: hair back or off of your face? 764 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 2: The answer is no, I haven't for a long time, 765 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,439 Speaker 2: and I think I have to start to like negotiate. 766 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: That with myself because it's so chic when you do. 767 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 2: I just I don't know, it's like you know, and 768 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 2: I've talked about this a lot. I think my hair 769 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 2: is emotional for me. It's like a psychological thing. It's 770 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 2: it's a security blanket, it's a curtain, it's a it's 771 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 2: a it's a comfort. It's easy. I don't cut it. 772 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 2: I barely style it. Yeah, I watch it twice a week. 773 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 2: It's just part of my like being. And so I 774 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 2: think wearing it up would almost feel like I was 775 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 2: walking into a ballroom with no clothes on. Yeah, and 776 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 2: so I have to sort of work through that, I 777 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 2: think at some point. Yep, So I think the last 778 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,479 Speaker 2: picture I saw of me up with my hair up 779 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 2: was pregnant, like the golden globes. 780 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: You had, like a was it like a high pony? Like? 781 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 2: People will post it when we post this episode. 782 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to get We're going to give the 783 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: people what they want, dark hair and pulled back. Yeah, 784 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: I'll pull some photos so funny. Rachel's not a fan 785 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: of half up, half down. 786 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 2: I will know. I it's very sixth grade to me. 787 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: Oh got it, got it. One other question, we got 788 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: quite a lot. My hair is very very dry, and 789 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what kind of leave in treatments you like 790 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: to use. 791 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 2: There are so many good ones. I will say. What 792 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 2: I am completely obsessed with right now is K eighteen. 793 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 2: A eighteen is basically it's a product that came out 794 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 2: within the last like two to three years. I want 795 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 2: to say, but now they've expanded the line and it 796 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 2: starts with a leaven treatment mask that you put on 797 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 2: and you literally don't rinse it out, but it's literally 798 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 2: like it's like a bio cellular scientific thing that like 799 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 2: it's very very healing for your hair, and it's it 800 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 2: really is effective. It's called K eighteen and I love it. 801 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 2: There are some Oliplex products that I have found to 802 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 2: be very effective as well, but K eighteen is definitely 803 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 2: what I've been really using religiously over the last like 804 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 2: since the summer I started using it. 805 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: That's great. And since we talked about clean beauty just 806 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 1: in skincare and make up, what are your favorite clean 807 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: beauty hair products for kai? 808 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 2: I love that. 809 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: I really am all amazing too. 810 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 2: It smells amazing, and I also, like, you know, I've 811 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 2: known Frederick Fakai for many, many years, and when he 812 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 2: launched his clean Vegan line of hair products, he was 813 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 2: so passionate. He worked so long on it, and I 814 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 2: remember the first time I tried it, and I have 815 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 2: to say, like, I love all the shampoos and conditioners, 816 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 2: I love the leaven hair treatments. It is so so 817 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 2: good and it smells so good and it works. It 818 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 2: really really works. He's got lines for color. I really 819 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 2: really love it. I use it religiously. And what's great is, 820 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 2: like my kids use all of these products, so you know, 821 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 2: when it comes to hair and skin and body, like, 822 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 2: I love the fact that what's in my shower they 823 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 2: can use, like, you know, because they use my shower 824 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 2: a lot. So it's nice that I got to like, wait, 825 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 2: I got to get kid products. 826 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,360 Speaker 1: Like I don't use that. 827 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's been that's been amazing. 828 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: Okay, I love that. And we got a lot of 829 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: questions about the beauty products or the pharmacies in Paris. 830 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: So if you had to do a supermarket sweep, you've 831 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: got like a minute to grab products from like a 832 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,320 Speaker 1: French beauty supply or pharmacy. What are you grabbing? 833 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 2: God? Oh my god, there's so many good ones. Claudaalis 834 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 2: uh huh, rock Roc yep, been around forever, my mom's 835 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 2: favorite lip bomb. She makes me bring ten of them 836 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 2: back every time I go. Now you can get them here, 837 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,479 Speaker 2: Claude Depot anything yep, and every amazing products. Yeah, there's 838 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,320 Speaker 2: probably so many. I'm not thinking of I just French pharmacy. 839 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 2: I mean in just hours. I stand there, I know hours. 840 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: It's like a wonderland. 841 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 2: It is if French pharmacies are a wonderland. There is 842 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,240 Speaker 2: a new product. I actually posted it on my social 843 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 2: over the weekend. It's this incredible solve. It's called like 844 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 2: bo bo you and J like eut. It's like Boget 845 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 2: or something. Anyway. It comes in a little pot okay, 846 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 2: and it's like almost it's a solid, but you can 847 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 2: make it almost a little more liquidy and it's literally 848 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 2: works like a French totally clean Egyptian magic. It's a 849 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 2: solve love that your lips, your face, your elbows, anywhere 850 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,280 Speaker 2: that needs hydration. And I love it and it's French 851 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 2: and it's amazing. 852 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: I need everything French we like. Yes, well, thank you 853 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: so much Rachel for answering all of these beauty questions. 854 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,439 Speaker 2: Guys, stay out of the song. 855 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,760 Speaker 1: Yes we're are your SPF guys. 856 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 2: But I but here's what I'll say, enjoy your life. 857 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 2: I like a little real sun, just with some block let, 858 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 2: raisin let the vitamin D N. 859 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, all right, protect your skain. We'll talk to 860 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:04,879 Speaker 1: you guys soon. 861 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 2: All right, guys, that was so much fun. I could 862 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 2: talk about beauty for days and days and days. So 863 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 2: if you like this beauty talk, let us know because 864 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 2: I'll just keep doing them because there's never things that 865 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 2: we run out of talking about when it comes to beauty. 866 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 2: So thank you so much for asking all these amazing questions. 867 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 2: I promised to answer more on our next one. And 868 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,839 Speaker 2: thank you always for listening to Climbing and Heels. 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