1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: Dirty Ditty demands thirty straight hours of forced sex marathons 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: with no sleep. This as we learn Seawan Comb's fetishizes 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: the NBA greats Shaquille Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant as Dirty 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: Ditty's defense team attacks the assault victim on the stand 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: with a designer handbag. Dirty Ditty, what the cook? A 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: cook by curious, ashamed to have sex with men? This, 8 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: according to is X and it is all coming out 9 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: on the stand. 10 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories and I want 11 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us. 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: Objection myrari nd he needed to see that Willie Free. 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 4: We've heard some bombshells out of the shining. 14 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: He beat her the hell in back. He smacks her 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: in the face again. 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 5: Objection my rand That alleged sex assault victim on the 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 5: stand undergoing intense cross examination. 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: Through out the day. 19 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: Joining us at the courthouse as the Monahan Federal Courthouse 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: in downtown Manhattan. Special guest Tisa Tails joining us pop 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: culture investigator and host Autisa Tales on YouTube. 22 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: How did she hold up under. 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: Cross and what does a five thousand dollars Buttega designer bag. 24 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: How to do with anything. 25 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: Listen, we were in the court and we were wondering 26 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: the same thing. But our little sweet bunny rabbit looks 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: like she sharpened her shink today. And she pushed back 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: on and one of the more humiliating things for Diddy's 29 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: defense team. It started off why she was just going 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: through mundane questioning have you had this? 31 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: Have you had that? 32 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: She mentioned you seem to be mad that he took 33 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: somebody shopping in Chanelle. She literally said yeah, because all 34 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: these other girls were, you know, being sewn off. 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah. 36 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 3: The defence team thought they could sharpen and go in 37 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: and they thought they could actually break her, maybe get 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 3: her to feel a little bit ashamed or show how. 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 4: Petty she was. And the defense team went on this. 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: Really odd way of questioning, well, you got a vancle bracelet, 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: and she said, okay, I did. 42 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I was a little bunny rabbit. She has 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 4: a voice like sunshine. Yes I did. Then they asked her, 44 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 4: and you got a book? Taga bag? How much was 45 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: a be taga bag calls? 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: Now, this is a defense attorney and head to toe Chanel, 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 3: our little bunny Rabbit sharpened her shank and said, you 48 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: have one. 49 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: Don't you to push it back? Because again the line 50 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 4: of questioning was so insulting. After she just finished a 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: day ago. 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: Telling us how she was an unwilling participant in a 53 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: cracked out version of the Shining, they're now trying to 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: say that somehow a bag and a bracelet somehow made 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: up for everything. 56 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 4: But however, the. 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: Defense was a little bit taken aback. She said, well, 58 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: I mean, how much is it fifteen hundred or. 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 4: Five thousand, like how much is a botaga bag worth? 60 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: And our little bunny rapit said how much is my 61 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: body worth? And the whole courtroom was just sitting there 62 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: and shock because it was such a beautiful thing to 63 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: see that a victim, somebody that Diddy had made full 64 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: small broken both mentally and literally physically. Finally, in that moment, 65 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 3: why did he is sitting there looking like she's smirking 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: at her almost was able to hold her own against 67 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: the defense team and pushed back and push the narrative 68 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: that my body's worth more, I'm worth more. So it 69 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: was a powerful moment in the court. 70 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: When you said, Sean Combs aka Diddy, is smirking in 71 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: the courtroom. Could you demonstrate that, because that's not a 72 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: good look, even if he thinks he's winning, even if 73 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: a couple of the jurors thinks he's winning. 74 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: For him to smirk, that could backfire. Show me what 75 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: he's doing. 76 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: Okay, So when I say smirk, okay, this is the 77 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: best way I could use to describe it. But let 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: me show you. 79 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: Okay, whatever, there are certain witnesses on to me, it 80 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 3: almost like he's trying to get into the witness's head. 81 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: Okay, Now, the smirk isn't something. 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: Like h like a marble villain like they've been accusing 83 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 3: him of being. It's something more like his posture gets 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: almost like he owns the place. 85 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 4: He kind of slouches just to the side a little bit. 86 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: His head's kind of like cocked just a little bit, 87 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: and he's looking at them with a posture like are 88 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 3: you kidding me? 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? 90 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: Now he has wised up, doesn't look like he's playing 91 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: to the jury anymore. But when it comes to the witnesses, 92 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: we saw this with Jane, we saw this with Mia, 93 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: we saw this with Cassie, we saw this wa Bona 94 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: and everybody else, he literally still has his attitude, like 95 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: he runs the room, and he's literally just looking at 96 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 3: them like are you. 97 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 4: Kidding me again? 98 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: I would think that if I was on trial like 99 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: that and people were lying on me, I would have 100 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: right his anger. I would just just anything, or even 101 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: just have a a platonic face and body language where 102 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: nothing can be read in So the fact that he's 103 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 3: almost imperceptibly kind of letting them know that he still 104 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: runs the room, he still runs the place, it says 105 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 3: something to me about where he is and whether he's 106 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: truly repentant. 107 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. 108 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: But I've gotten to go right now, straight to Rob 109 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 2: Sheeter joining us PR guru FORO Sean comes for years 110 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: no longer star of Naughty but Nice podcast which is amazing, 111 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: and you can find him at Rob Sheeter substack and 112 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: that shooter shut er Rob the smirking. It actually gave 113 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: me a flashback they Scott Peterson double murder trial where 114 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: I would sit there and just watch Scott Peterson stride 115 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: into the courtroom and my immediate reaction. Since I got 116 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: cut from the girls basketball team and became a cheerleader 117 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 2: as a back up, I would watch the football team 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: come onto the field and then be coming out all 119 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: puffed up like that, but they're thrown back. And I 120 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: would watch him walk in like that every day, like 121 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: he was totally the cock of the walk right, and 122 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: everyone else started watching him, or maybe they were before me, 123 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: and we would just watch him walk in. And that 124 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: is what I think she's trying to say. It's an attitude. 125 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: It's a bad look in front of a jury. But 126 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: I want to hear your take on that. I can 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: just see Sean Combs sweeping into a fancy restaurant or 128 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: some other venue. I got to hear the whole thing. 129 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 130 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, NC, I've seen that look from Puff. 131 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 6: I know that look. I've seen it. I think we 132 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 6: did a really really great job explaining it. He looks 133 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 6: down his nose, he cocks his head back, and he 134 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 6: looks down his nose as if he is the king 135 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 6: of the world. It's a look of arrogance, it's a 136 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 6: look of dominant and it's a look that comes to 137 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 6: him very very easily. And that's the reason, Nancy, that 138 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 6: he's having trouble turning it off shore. And Puffy is 139 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 6: a very smart person. He at the moment is acting 140 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 6: like an idiot. I think that's his natural look. 141 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: I thought he. 142 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 6: Would be smart enough, a good enough actor to hide it. However, 143 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 6: that appears not to be the case. 144 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: You know, I guess too. 145 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall a psychoanalyst joining us out of la 146 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: she has You can see her now on Peacock. She 147 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: wrote an incredible book, deal Breaker, on Amazon, and you 148 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. 149 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany King of the World. Okay, what's a cook? 150 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 7: A cook is somebody who wants to see his wife 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 7: or partner having sex with other men. The fetishized fantasy 152 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 7: that elicits arousal is the idea that the woman is 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 7: cheating on him while he's away, And according to Jane, 154 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 7: one of the sexual fantasies that he wanted to relive 155 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 7: with her was while he was on his private jet, 156 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 7: she was asking one of the male escorts to come 157 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 7: in and have. 158 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: Sex with her. So that's called cuckholding. 159 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying, doctor Bethany, a cook ck wants to 160 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: watch their partner have sex with somebody else. Why would 161 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: you want that? Because you know, my marriage motto is 162 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: open marriage, open casket. 163 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: So I don't get it. Explain that desire to me, well, 164 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,479 Speaker 1: I think there's a couple aspects. 165 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 7: One we see with people who have sex addiction and 166 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 7: drug addiction is an impaired reward system where they need 167 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 7: to push the envelope more and more to gain sexual arousal. 168 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 7: But the other is that men who want to be 169 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 7: cuck holded are often by curious and they have fantasies 170 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 7: of having sex with other men, but they're too inhibited 171 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 7: or for whatever reason, they're not going to carry it out, 172 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 7: so they would rather watch their wife or partner have 173 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 7: sex with other men so they can incorporate same sex 174 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 7: attraction and arousal into a heterosexual relationship. 175 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: I think I understand what you're saying, doctor Bethany Listen. 176 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 8: Jane says the hotel nights often involved cheating roleplay with 177 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 8: Combs and the entertainer. Colmbs expected her to pretend he 178 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 8: was away on a trip and she was sneaking the 179 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 8: entertainer into her home behind his back. This roleplay would 180 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 8: begin over digital communications when booking a hotel night with 181 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 8: an entertainer familiar to them, with Combs. 182 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: Directing her to ask for explicit. 183 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 8: Videos and images from the entertainer and respond with flirting 184 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 8: messages like I can't wait to get you alone, Jane says. 185 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 8: After the entertainer left, Colmbs liked to watch his recordings 186 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 8: of the hotel night while they had sex for a replay. 187 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: Straight back out to Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse, 188 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: pop culture investigator and star off Tasa Tails. 189 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: On YouTube Tisa Okay. 190 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: They would play back the video of the hotel night 191 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: aka free cough aka sex session, rape torment like a 192 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: football game, like a replay, like. 193 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: The worst Netflix until in the world it gets. 194 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 4: Deeper than that. 195 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: He would literally mirror his phone onto the television screen, 196 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: so she was forced to do that. She was doing 197 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 3: everything she could to get out of the next free call, 198 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: and she suddenly saw him texting an escort. 199 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 4: Offer her phone, Hey, why don't you call one. 200 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: What they described in court was something that again, I 201 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: get the cold cold, but then I wouldn't I researched it. 202 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: I said, Okay, but I don't see crackhead in the 203 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: definition of cold colds. 204 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: I don't see grain gums. I don't see. 205 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: Dressed as a burker from the neck up and deck 206 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: up from the neck down. 207 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: I don't see that in a definition of a cold cold. 208 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 4: The defense is trying to run with this. They want 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: to say that's all it was. 210 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 3: But again, hold, I never thought I would say this, 211 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: But I think that Sean Diddy Colms gave cut Holding 212 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: a bad name, if that's possible to do. But we 213 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: were shocked in the courtroom. 214 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: Okay, let me. 215 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: Understand the whole by curious claim by the girlfriend on 216 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: the stand, and we're talking about Jane, not her real name. 217 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: Now she has testimony that is intrinsic to her, that 218 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: is unique from the other witnesses testimony. However, I believe 219 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: that she and others such as Mia are there largely 220 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: to buttress or corroborate Cassie Venturira, the state star witness. 221 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: The Jane testimony is taking on a life of its own. 222 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: Tell me about the bisexual claim. 223 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: So the bisexual claim, it's very interesting. 224 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 4: Okay, she didn't know what was going on. 225 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: Keep in mind, we're still in the early parts of 226 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: this Romeo. 227 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: I'm gonna so her this Romeo situation. 228 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: Okay, he's introducing her into this life of darkness. So 229 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: he's starting off slow. So she's trying to make sense 230 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: of what's going on? Why does he want all these 231 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: disgusting things? And they even played audio where you can 232 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: see her literally it was so embarrassing and humiliating for Diddy, 233 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: where you can clearly see this woman is doing everything 234 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 3: she can to get out of the next free goll Again, 235 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: it hasn't descended into violence and pure debauchery, but so she's. 236 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 4: Googling what's going on? Why does he like to see 237 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: other men? 238 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: Why does he stand in the corner and diddle with himself? 239 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 4: What is going on? 240 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 3: So that's when she said, I think he's by curious. However, 241 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: she did say this was early on. Again, the defense 242 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: really didn't know what to do with her because they 243 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: thought they could get her on the stand and bully 244 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: her around, but she started literally saying, he's a cuck hole, 245 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: he's by, he has gray teeth, shaking hands, he looks 246 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: like a crackhead. 247 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 4: And they really didn't know what to do with that. 248 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: And they just focus on both Tega bags and even 249 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: that kind of blue up in their face. 250 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: So it was puzzling. But again the buye was the 251 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 4: beginning to Sidney. 252 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: Sun was joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney. This 253 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: fits in hand in hand with many of the civil 254 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: claims filed by male alleged victims. 255 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 9: Explain well, Nancy, nearly half of the civil lawsuits filed 256 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 9: against Sean Colmes have come from men. And we heard 257 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 9: this at the very beginning. Just after Cassie Ventura. Robbie Jones, 258 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 9: the music producer, was the next person to file a 259 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 9: very explosive lawsuit and he claims that Shawan Colmes was 260 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 9: bisexual and was in our relationships with many male black celebrity. 261 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: First of all, I don't care. I don't care who 262 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: sleeps with who as long as it's not my husband. 263 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: It's not my business until it becomes a felony. 264 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Up until then, don't care. 265 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 2: But to Rob Shooter joining me former are your fortune comes? 266 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: How will they buy curious allegation play in the rap world? 267 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: Not well at all. 268 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 6: This is still one area of the music business, of 269 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 6: the entertainment business, that has been very, very slow to 270 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 6: embrace LGPTQ people. It has been a problem. I've been 271 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 6: to several big events where it really is, the homophobia 272 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 6: is there. It's tried to be sort of kept under wraps, 273 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 6: but fans don't like it. If you listen to rap music, 274 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 6: particularly rap music that's on the charts and the most 275 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 6: successful rap music, it is not unusual to find a misogynistic, 276 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 6: a homophobic lyric thrown around as if it is just 277 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 6: everyday talk. So this will not go over well. And 278 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 6: this is probably one of the reasons that if Diddy 279 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 6: is indeed bisexual, it's something that he will definitely want 280 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 6: to keep hush hush under the covers. 281 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: Day twenty one in the courthouse had standing by outside 282 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: the Mona Hound Building is Tisa tells Tisa, thank you 283 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: for being with us. 284 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: I want to quickly. 285 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: Go to Eric Fattus, joining me, jumping off something Tisa 286 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: has just reported. Eric Fattus is a veteran trial lawyer, 287 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: TV legal analyst founding partner Varner Fattest Elite Legal. 288 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: Eric. 289 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: This also brings back another daymare flashback of Oorenthal James Simpson. 290 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: While all this horrible. 291 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: Testimony is coming in and they put up a picture 292 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: of Nicole Brown with her face just swollen and black 293 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: on one side, everybody's looking at him. 294 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: You know what he's doing. He's Professor Simpson taking notes. 295 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: Of course, all the notes said I did it? How 296 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: do I get out of this? 297 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: But what can you do when you're hearing about being 298 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: a cook and you're hearing about being naked from the 299 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: neck down in a burka from the neck up and 300 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: the gray gums and blood? What can he do besides 301 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: take notes and squint at a screen. 302 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 10: That's the thing. I mean, he's been sitting in this 303 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 10: child hearing on godly accusations against him, and hey. 304 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: This is one of the oldest texts. 305 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 10: Well is that. 306 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: Why is he in the courtroom? Why is his ass 307 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: and a sling that's on him? He finds himself in 308 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: the courtroom. It's like he woke up like Alice in 309 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: Wonderland and went where am I? 310 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: That's not what went down? Man? 311 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 10: Is he in the courtroom because there's substantial evidence against him? 312 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 10: Or is this the government trying to assassinate his character 313 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 10: because they don't have the goods to bring it. Look, 314 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 10: they're talking about cuck cold and gray teeth, his body 315 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 10: role play by curious. All of that seems like inflammatory 316 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 10: tactics that are trying to compensate for a possible lack 317 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 10: of actual evidence. And so yeah, they can assassinate his 318 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 10: character all he wants, But at the end of the day. 319 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 10: You know, we know how the OJ trial ended up, 320 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 10: and this one could be going in that direction. 321 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, you sit back and keep on 322 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: saying that. Just live in your dream land. Because Tasa 323 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,719 Speaker 2: Tail's joining us. I'm about to go to Shannon Henry 324 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: joining us, who fights sex assaults and sex trafficking on 325 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: girls and women. 326 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: Tasa Tales, could you refresh Eric. 327 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: Fattis's recollection about the beatings that Jane took. 328 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: The four doors that were torn. 329 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 2: Down bare handed by Shawn Come so he could get 330 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: at her to beat her. 331 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, But since I want to say, if there's anybody 332 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: trying to assassinate the character, this came out when did. 333 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 4: He stuff fence team, So maybe he needs to look 334 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 4: to see that if somebody's a paid. 335 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: Assassin on his own defense team, because they did a 336 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: good job of putting their client's character the dirt. But again, 337 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: this is coming on the heels of him being literally 338 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: reenacting the shining kicking through doors, her running through the house, 339 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: locking doors, kicking through heavy wooden doors, literally putting her 340 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 3: up in a choke hole, or her little toes are 341 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: dangling off her fleeing in a dark California neighborhood, barefoot, 342 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 3: hiding for two hours outside of her house, coming back 343 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 3: being mercilessly beating him, humiliating her by calling the woman 344 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: that he's seeing while she hears all this happening, then 345 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 3: going after. 346 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: She is black and blue with knots holl over her head. 347 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 3: She goes into the shower to kind of disassociate, and 348 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 3: he snacks her three times and knocks her to the 349 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: ground with the shower, then demands she cover up those bruises, 350 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: ice the two golf ball Sills knocks on her heads 351 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: and ice and literally cover up her bruises, and she 352 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: is forced to take this effing pill because she's not 353 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 3: going to ruin his fan night. Drugs are force down 354 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 3: her throat, and then she is forced to perform a 355 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 3: freak golf If you think that Greg gums in any 356 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: way overshadows the horror movie we heard yesterday, I don't 357 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 3: know what to say, but I think Diddy should hire 358 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 3: you on his team to make him feel good, because 359 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: he needs someone to sit with him in his land 360 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: of delusion, you. 361 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: Know, joining me. 362 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: Shannon Henry, President, Founder SASS Surviving Assault Standing Strong is 363 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: a nonprofit which means a lot to me. She's not 364 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: in it for the money, obviously, trying to eradicate abuse, 365 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: sex assault, and trafficking on women and girls. People don't 366 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: get it. It's not their fault. 367 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: They shouldn't get it, Shannon Henry. 368 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: Why should regular people that are not in the world 369 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: of crime like we are, know about what the battered 370 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: women's syndrome is about, what sex traffic victims endear, why. 371 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: They stay in it. 372 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: Could you school Eric Faddest he needs it badly? 373 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 11: Of course, Nancy. I think you know, we do a 374 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 11: disservice to people in a way that they don't understand 375 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 11: that human trafficking is sexual and physical violence on top 376 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 11: of stalking on steroids, and the women that endure it 377 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 11: have lives that are much shorter than women who don't. So, 378 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 11: of course the general public doesn't understand this. They don't 379 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 11: know how it all plays out, but we do. And 380 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 11: let's start with the obvious. 381 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 10: When you take. 382 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 11: Women and you beat them, and you get them high, 383 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 11: and you coerce them into having sex. 384 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, look at your monitor, Shannon. 385 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: That is a knife one of the alleged victims. 386 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: Put in her door because she is so afraid of 387 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: Sean comes. That's Cassie Ventira had a knife. 388 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: And the door. 389 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: Well, you hear about people afraid and they sleep with 390 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: a knife or gun under their pillow. She kept a 391 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: knife by the door, and I find that interesting. Shannon 392 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: Henry after the door testimony from Jane not her real name, 393 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: that Shawn Combs beat down four doors and the jury 394 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: saw pictures and maybe even video of that in the courtroom. 395 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: Then they look over at Sean Combs. What could you explain? 396 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: Why is there a knife being kept in the door. 397 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: Explain that to fattest. 398 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 11: Let's start with this. I've trained so many thousands of 399 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 11: women in self defense across the world, and one of 400 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 11: the things that I can tell you is when you 401 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 11: train men in self defense, they're ready to fight in 402 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 11: the parking lot. When you train women in self defense. 403 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: They're cautious. 404 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 11: They don't really want to use it, and the only 405 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 11: time they really want to use it is to protect 406 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 11: somebody else. The fact that you are looking at a 407 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 11: knife in the door me she was so afraid for 408 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 11: her life that she was willing to use a knife 409 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 11: to make sure that she was safe. That's how much 410 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 11: she understood, how her life hung in the balance. That 411 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 11: is human trafficking. 412 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: There is no question to Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer 413 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: joining us founding partner of Varner FATA's elite legal the 414 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: defense has tried their best throughout the day to tear 415 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: this witness down. They've used everything from money that Sean 416 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 2: comes through at her to buy her silence to a 417 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: designer bag. 418 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: But I want you to hear what Sidney. 419 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: Sumner has learned Crime Story's investigative reporter. Isn't it true, 420 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner that this witness, Jane met extensively with the defense. 421 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: They knew what was going to happen. 422 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 9: Right exactly, Nancy Jane said on the sand first thing 423 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 9: that she said with defense attorney Tenny Garrigos was hey, 424 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 9: how are you. They knew each other very well. She 425 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 9: met with them all the way through April twenty twenty five, 426 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 9: just a few months ago. 427 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: So his defense team. 428 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 9: Was fully prepared for what Jane was going to say 429 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 9: on the stand, and they still had nothing to counter it. 430 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: I mean, Eric Fattus, when you have to use somebody's 431 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: designer bag, I don't have one, A I don't carry pocketbook. 432 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: I learned that trumping the housing projects hands free. 433 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: But when I did. 434 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: Have a pocketbook, it was a Frauda, a fake Prada, 435 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: So I don't know anything about Botega bags. 436 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: You'd have to ask doctor Bethny Marshall about that. 437 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: But if you're to the point where you have to 438 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: assault the victim on the stand with claims of a 439 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: designer handbag, you're digging deep. 440 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: You're at the bottom of the barrel. 441 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 10: Fattest Well, Nancy not sure about that. So one person's 442 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 10: financial control might be another person's financial support. I think 443 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 10: what defense is trying to argue is like, hey, look, 444 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 10: she benefited from this relationship. It was mutually consensual and anticipatory. 445 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 10: She got some benefits out of it. She wanted to 446 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 10: keep seeing him. On cross examination, they talk about that 447 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 10: she enjoyed aspects of the freak gosts and in fact 448 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 10: that they ended early at times when she expressed discomfort. 449 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 10: That doesn't sound like overcoming someone's will. This sounds like 450 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 10: a mutually beneficial relationship at least that's how defense is 451 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 10: going to style it, and that this was a willing 452 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 10: participant who also got something out. That's what they're going 453 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 10: to argue. 454 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: The defense trying their best to skewer a witness on 455 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: the stand, a former girlfriend of Sean Combs, only known 456 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: as Jane to Tisa Tale standing by at the courthouse 457 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 2: store of Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa, did they crack her? 458 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: And wait, Tisa, have you ever. 459 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: Seen, for instance, a horror movie or one of those 460 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 2: satanic movies where they throw holy water on the possessed 461 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: person or the demon. 462 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: And they ooh and it burns them. That's what Jane 463 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: is to Ditty. That's what's happening. 464 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: She's the holy water being thrown on Ditty, right, and 465 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: he's cringing and they are trying to stab her through 466 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: the heart with a wooden steak. That's what's happening. All 467 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: day long, they went at it. Did it work? Did 468 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: they crack her? 469 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: Judging from the sentiment in the courtroom, it does not 470 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 3: look like she they cracked her. She stayed strong and 471 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: this is the best they could do. When she's in 472 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 3: the early years of the relationship. She hasn't gotten to 473 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: the part where he literally ripped his mask off. You know, 474 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: they didn't crack her because what they were claiming is ridiculous. 475 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty thousand over three years, you can 476 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 3: make fifty thousand a year. I believe working a little 477 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: bit of overtime. Again, it is it's always a choose 478 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: your own adventure. But it's laughable to believe. And Jane 479 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 3: did a good job of driving it home, like she's said, 480 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: and it literally after that, we went immediately to a 481 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: break where she said, well, how much is my body worth? 482 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 3: Did He's team was taken aback and flat footed, because 483 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: what do you say to something like that, because to 484 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 3: give a number it proves everything we think about Diddy. 485 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 4: But again, it was. 486 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: A powerful moment and Jane the little bunny rabbit. She 487 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 3: is sharpening her shake and she is in there fending 488 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: off So I definitely think she did agreed. 489 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: Okay to send me some of our crime stories. Investigative reporter. 490 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: Do I understand this correctly? That Shawn Combs aka Diddy 491 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: fetishized Shaquille O'Neil. Okay, have you ever met him? He's 492 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 2: as tall as a door, right, I would not mess 493 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: with him. I wonder how he feels finding out he's 494 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: been fetishized by Shawn Combs. Okay, that's neither here nor there. 495 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: Plus Michael Jordan and Kobe what well. 496 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 9: That aligns with previous testimony that we've heard that Shawn 497 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 9: Home specifically wanted to see entertainers Genitalia before they were 498 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 9: invited for a freak off because he wanted it to 499 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 9: be as big as possible and not plays into this sadism. 500 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 4: He's mad. 501 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 9: Doctor Marshall is brought up. 502 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: WHOA what? 503 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 3: What? 504 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: Please call me? What did you say? 505 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 9: Tisa Tel told us this a few days ago. 506 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: What did you say about Shaq's genitalia? 507 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 9: I would have to assume that Shaq, being the person 508 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 9: that he is, is a very large person in every aspect. Nancy. 509 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: Okay, see here, Sydney, we talk about murder, serial murder, rape, arson, 510 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: childless station. 511 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: Drug lords. 512 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: I don't have time for euphemisms. 513 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: Okay. 514 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 2: Yesterday you you, Tisa Tails, kept talking to me about 515 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: how Sean Comes, one of the sex workers. 516 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: Would be quote well and dowbt. 517 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: Okay, you're making it sound like, as I said, a 518 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: trust fund at Harvard University, when you're actually talking about 519 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: the physicality and I'm trying to put it delicately so 520 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 2: we don't get thrown off the air of the sex workers. 521 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: Is that correct? That's a yes, no, tase of tales. 522 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 4: Yes, yes and listen. Okay, that's just. 523 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: A yes, just a yes. 524 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: Okay, Sidney Sumner, don't put perfume on the pig. 525 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 9: Tell it well, Nancy. It appears that Sean Combs wanted 526 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 9: an entertainer that could make up for his good feel 527 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 9: So we know that Shawn Colms, according to the civil lawsuit, 528 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 9: is not well endowed, so we think that he hired 529 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 9: entertainers that were much more so. And this could either 530 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 9: just be a personal insecurity or maybe it is this 531 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 9: satism idea that doctor Bethany Marshall has brought up several 532 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 9: times that he wanted the women who participated in these 533 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 9: hotel nights to feel some level of pain every single 534 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 9: time that they participated. And I wanted to resid eric earlier. 535 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, because I want to hear that. 536 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 9: So Sata said that the defense seeing that comes ended 537 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 9: these hotel nights early as Jane expressed being uncomfortable. But 538 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 9: she pushed back on that idea and said, no, no, no, 539 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 9: that was not out of sympathy for me. That was 540 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 9: not for my protection. That was because Sean Combs didn't 541 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 9: want to waste time on a bad hotel night when 542 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 9: it was clear I didn't have chemistry with this entertainer. 543 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 9: And that's why Jane says that she had a hand 544 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 9: in hiring entertainers, because there were certain people that she 545 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 9: at least knew and was comfortable with and wasn't so 546 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 9: freaked out by the fact that she was having sex 547 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 9: with a sex worker without a condom or a very 548 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 9: sweaty man. As Titha told us, so, the only reason 549 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 9: she about a hand in setting these up was to 550 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 9: protect herself, and Shawn Combs never canceled anything for her comfort. 551 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 9: It was because he didn't want to waste his time 552 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 9: and money on a bad hotel night. 553 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Tisa Tails. 554 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: Joining me at the courthouse and I'm gearing up to 555 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: go to rob Shooter Bethany Marshall and Eric Fattis. Isn't 556 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: it true, Tissa Tels, let me jog your memory that 557 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: Shawn Comb's aka Diddy wanted to role play where he 558 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: comes was Michael Jordan and Jane. 559 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: Was Kobe Bryant. So let me get this straight. 560 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: Boy, do I need a shrink and a drink? But again, 561 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: I'm a teatailer, so I'll have to settle for just 562 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: a shrink. So in his mind it's Shawn Combs and Jane, 563 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: but it's really Shawn Combs and a sex worker with Jane, 564 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: and Jane is supposed to be Kobe, and the escort 565 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: is supposed to be Shack and Diddy is supposed to 566 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: be Michael Jordan. I'm sure they're all three happy to 567 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: hear about this. So his fantasy is his girlfriend with 568 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: a sex worker, and there's a fantasy on a fantasy 569 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: where in his mind is three basketball greats having sex together. 570 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: Poor Kobe is all I can say. How did that play? 571 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: Okay, and I'll get back to Bethany on Itdy Biddy Diddy? 572 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: But how did that play? In the courtroom? Tissa tales 573 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: In the. 574 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 3: Courtroom, the courtroom was everybody was looking saying what in 575 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: the world. People were glancing at themselves like did we 576 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: hear that right? It went over like a lead balloon. 577 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: It played comical, it played humiliating, but also it really 578 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: played to the point that people are really starting to say, 579 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: there is something seriously wrong with that man. Passes the poverty, 580 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 3: past the cruelty, there is something seriously wrong with that man. 581 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 4: And you look forward, and what did you see? 582 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: Did he do, like you said, eagerly looking at his screen, 583 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: acting like he was reading the manifest Destiny on his 584 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: computer screen. 585 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: Hold about day, Marshall. 586 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying what Tasa Tails is telling us a million 587 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 2: times in the courtroom, where the defendant starts like taking 588 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: notes and looking at his fingernails, in other words, playing 589 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: over and over in his head. This isn't happening. This 590 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: is not happening. This is not happening. But okay, you 591 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: see me. 592 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: Looking off camera. 593 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: It's because I had to make a flow chart. So 594 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: Sean Comes wants the sex worker to be in the 595 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: words of Sidney Sumner and tasted Tails well in doubt. Again, 596 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: this ain't a trust fund at Harvard University. 597 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about. Does this have anything 598 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: to do with that? 599 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 7: Well, not only is Diddy the diddler on the down low, 600 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 7: but he is compensating for his small penis, and I 601 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 7: do think that he has I think, I would say 602 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 7: in all seriousness, poly perverse meaning a perversion technically is 603 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 7: when somebody cannot achieve orgasm through a relationship with another person. 604 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 7: They can only achieve orgasm through some fetishized experience like 605 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 7: looking at a penis, maybe a high heel, a whip, 606 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 7: a chain, something that just stimulates their fantasies, but it 607 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 7: has nothing to do with the person there in front 608 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 7: of And a common one is sadism. We talked about 609 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 7: this yesterday after the courtroom day wrapped. Is that is 610 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 7: inflicting pain and cruel and humiliation on another person in 611 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 7: order to achieve sexual arousal, but in this case identifying 612 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 7: with Kobe, Bryant and Shaquille. I think that this fantasy 613 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 7: is of being at the center of attention, the king 614 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 7: of the world, somebody who has great capabilities, and maybe 615 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 7: the fact is he's compensating for his small appendage. 616 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: But one thing I don't get, doctor Bethany Marshall. 617 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: It's like a fantasy on a fantasy and they're all weird. 618 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so let me look at my flow chart. 619 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: It's a role play where Sean Combs is Michael Jordan, Okay, 620 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 2: the paid escort male escort has a shack attack. 621 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: He's shack Shaquille. 622 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: O'Neil, and Jane is Kobe. So it's a fantasy on 623 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 2: top of a fantasy. 624 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: What is there a name for that? 625 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 7: You know, Nancy. I in my clinical practice I often 626 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 7: explore people's sexual fantasies to try to get to the 627 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 7: bottom of what their character logical issues are. And this 628 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 7: one would take six months of psychoanalysis. Let me tell you. 629 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 7: I mean, I think there's this identification with these greats right, 630 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 7: that he wants to be like them. That's his resondaetra 631 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 7: in life. I think he wants to be penetrated by them, 632 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 7: so the idea that he's the recipient of a sex act. 633 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 7: But you know, you can't just call up Shack and 634 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 7: say can we Netflix and chill? 635 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: Right? 636 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 7: You can't do that, or can I take you out 637 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 7: for a drink? So what are you going to do? 638 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 7: You're going to substitute some poor woman. You're sex trafficking 639 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 7: in your fantasy life for Shaquille O'Neil, or you're actually 640 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 7: she substitutes free. 641 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 2: I've got to go to the pr guru on this, 642 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 2: Rob Sheeter joining us Naughty but Nice and you can 643 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 2: find him at Rob Sheeter's Daily news letter on substack. 644 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: Rob Sheeter Daily Newsletter on Substack. 645 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 2: Who knew about this fascination with the NBA greats? 646 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: Now? I think I recall. 647 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: Seeing Comb's front line on the on the court at 648 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 2: professional basketball games with various women. But he knew he 649 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 2: wasn't watching the scoreboard. 650 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: That's not what he was doing. 651 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 6: I think people around him knew that he had a 652 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 6: fascination with powerful people. When I was working with them, 653 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 6: he had a very unusual, interesting fascination. 654 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: What are you saying. What are you saying. 655 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: We're not talking about Gandhi or the president, famous people, 656 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 2: famous people, private parts. 657 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: Why are you saying. 658 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 2: He was obsessed with famous people, because from what I understand, this. 659 00:36:53,480 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: Is what he's interested in a set of these thoughts. 660 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 6: I don't know if I have thought about that, but 661 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 6: I do have thoughts about the great than that. I 662 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 6: don't know, Nancy, I'm not I'm not the biggest sports 663 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 6: fan in the world. I don't know quite where to 664 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 6: say what to say about this one here. I think 665 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 6: Puffy is saying it or for us, But I also 666 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 6: think too, this witness is amazing, This Jane do. 667 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 4: The ropes. 668 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: Puffy is a force. I don't even know what that means. 669 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: Puffy is a force. Let's go back to your your 670 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: safe place. What did you mean he's obsessed with famous people? 671 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 6: He was really obsessed with Prince Harry and William. When 672 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 6: I worked with him, he had photographs of the young princes, 673 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 6: they're about eighteen or nineteen years old. He wanted that 674 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 6: touch of royalty to come to his parties. He would 675 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 6: always ask me what was going on with them. Puff 676 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 6: also to love the weekly magazines. Most people think the 677 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 6: weekly magazines come out on a Friday. 678 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: They don't. 679 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 6: They come out on a Wednesday. In New York. Puff 680 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 6: was the first person a new stand or. He sent 681 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,959 Speaker 6: an assistant to go through the weekly magazines. He would 682 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 6: circle people that he wanted to be famous around him. 683 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 6: Ashton Kutcher was somebody that he had a really unusual 684 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 6: obsession with. And so Puff being obsessed with people that 685 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 6: are powerful, successful, I think that has gone on a 686 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 6: really long time. 687 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 2: So Rob Shooter, you wouldn't touch a pair of these 688 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 2: with a ten foot pole, right, Well, I won't talk 689 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 2: about it, but you hear the bizarre role play that 690 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 2: he insisted on with Jane and I got to tell 691 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 2: you something. There's a point in the courtroom where you 692 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 2: have to be confident enough in your case and in 693 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 2: yourself to say no further questions because you're making it worse, 694 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 2: the defense is digging their own grave with their teeth, 695 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 2: talking and talking and trying and trying to massage Jane's 696 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 2: testimony all day long on cross exam has backfired spectacularly. 697 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 6: You're right, Nan, see no further questions. 698 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 2: You've got me. You know, it's one thing to be 699 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 2: talking about tittsy rolls and basketball stars, but can we 700 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,720 Speaker 2: get down to the brass tacks about what's happening in 701 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 2: the courtroom. 702 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: I want to know the dynamic. 703 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: Between the jurors and Jane on the stand. I can 704 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 2: tell what tsa Tails thinks, but how is the jury 705 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 2: responding to her? 706 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 3: Tisa The jury is responding with so much respect and 707 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 3: so much compassion. They are locked in, they are sitting up, 708 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 3: they are taking notes, They were hanging off of every word. 709 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 3: And to your point about what exactly the defense is doing. 710 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 3: Imagine the jury looking at compassion, still remembering the brutality 711 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 3: that she just testified the day before, and now they're 712 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 3: besod with images. 713 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: Of Diddy Kobe. 714 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 3: But you know, literally they're in a room and it's 715 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 3: like good ready for a shack attack. The jury still 716 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 3: remembers how when did he with this role play? They 717 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 3: were not allowed to remix or freestyle. He was in 718 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 3: control of everything, so he was literally directing them like 719 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 3: they were puppets. This ascertainty, this is what the jury 720 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 3: is taking notes on. I can't imagine what's in their minds, 721 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 3: but the fact that they are keeping such straight faces 722 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 3: but leaned in and taking notes again, the more incredible 723 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 3: and the more preposterate comes. They're just leaning in more 724 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 3: and giving Jane so much compassion, so much breath. And again, 725 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 3: it can't be understated enough that that was this is 726 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 3: not the strongest day for the defense. We'll see if 727 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 3: it comes. 728 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 2: What can you tell me about Shawn Combs's mother cozying 729 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 2: up to the sketch artist after Shawnkhmes complained that the 730 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 2: sketch artist was making him look like a koala and 731 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 2: he didn't want to look like a koala bear, and 732 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 2: he wanted her to change the way she was depicting him. 733 00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 2: Now I understand Shawncambs's mother as for her own sketch 734 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 2: in court. 735 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: Don't they have better things to think about? 736 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 3: Lessen Nancy audacity must be hereditary. 737 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 4: That's all I see in the court room. First of all, 738 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 4: the court sketch artist was so kind. 739 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 3: Because I actually she actually made Sean Collins looks better 740 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 3: than he's looked in a long time, at least when 741 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 3: his smile. 742 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 4: His gums are pink like they should be. However, the mother, the. 743 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 3: Fact that the audacity that she's allegedly approaching the sketch 744 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 3: artists asking for things they still think and this goes 745 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 3: to this overwhelming confidence that at one time helped them 746 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 3: read such dizzying heights. 747 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 4: This audacity that even in the height of this they have. 748 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 3: The ability to ask for something, to demand something that 749 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 3: other people don't get and to the point of other 750 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 3: people shit and't want. How seriously are you taking this 751 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 3: where you might not see your son again. This is 752 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 3: the last time you might see your son without being 753 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 3: behind bars, and you're literally making sketch artists as if 754 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: they're just local street paparazzi. Again, it's the audacity and 755 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 3: it is the goal, you know. But the mom is 756 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 3: just sitting there, the family sitting there. They're locked in 757 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 3: on the witness. We'll see what happens. 758 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 2: We stop and remember an American hero police officer, Kyle Hicks, 759 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 2: just thirty two, shot and killed in the line of duty, 760 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 2: leaving behind a grieving wife Cassie and children Riley, Katie, 761 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 2: Amelia and Tucker. Four children sentenced to life without their father, 762 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 2: American hero police officer Kyle Fix. Nancy Gray signing off 763 00:42:43,960 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 2: goodbye's