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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Hulet's go, Let's go, Let's go, Giants. Get on my Giants, Mobble,

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Speaker 2: give me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome to another edition of the Giants Subtle Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 2: New York Football Giants. I am John Schveelk, joined by

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Speaker 2: a member of the family, former Giants punter Jeff Fiegles. Jeff, Johnny,

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Speaker 2: it's good to see your brother. How are you, man?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great, So are you? You look great. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: haven't been in the building in a while, so I

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Speaker 1: know I haven't seen it a lot. I think everybody

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Speaker 1: went on diets before training camp this year. Everybody's kind

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Speaker 1: of losing weight around here. It's awesome. You look great.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen Tatino yet, so maybe.

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Speaker 2: Is actually even a little early for the Tino Jeff

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Speaker 2: this year. If you're coming to practice off, this is

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Speaker 2: gonna be way after you. Well, Jeff's signing autographs of

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Speaker 2: practice today. We're recording. There's just so people understand. On Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: July thirtieth, it might not air for a week or

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Speaker 2: two but we want to do some big picture, giant

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Speaker 2: stuff with with Jeff and just have some fun with

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Speaker 2: him as we haven't talked to him while.

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Speaker 1: So July thirtieth means training camp. How's the business with everybody?

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Speaker 1: Everybody's busy, housing businesses crazy, the market is nuts. The

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Speaker 1: boys over the family's doing well. Been so busy. I

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Speaker 1: haven't been able to really dive into football yet, but

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Speaker 1: it's exciting. I know that it's in my DNA that

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Speaker 1: right around the end of July you kind of know

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Speaker 1: that this football time.

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Speaker 2: You know, what did it do to your mind and

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Speaker 2: body when you feel like training camp should be starting?

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Speaker 2: I mean you did it for what how many years?

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Speaker 1: Too many? I guess it was twenty two twenty two

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Speaker 1: training camps consecutive. Yeah. What goes through my mind is,

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Speaker 1: you know what, It's funny because I got excited about

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Speaker 1: training camp because all the stuff you do in the

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Speaker 1: off season, you put in to get ready for the season,

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Speaker 1: you get to show it off so you can come

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Speaker 1: out to camp or some guys lose weight, some guys

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Speaker 1: get stronger, some guys do this and that. For me,

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Speaker 1: it was just showing everybody as I got older that

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Speaker 1: I can still do it at that age that I was,

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Speaker 1: and that it's just impeding John. I mean, never you talk,

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Speaker 1: you hear about it from everybody, and it is a

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Speaker 1: cliche that they use all the time. But as a player,

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Speaker 1: you just want to go and compete. And every year

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Speaker 1: they tried to bring somebody in to take my job,

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Speaker 1: and so that kind of got the juices flowing.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I'm sure the guys that aren't

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Speaker 2: specialists here you say, oh, I get excited for training camp.

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Speaker 2: It's fun, They're like, you know, screw that guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know to the day you're doing two a days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: And you're like swimming in the pool or like the

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Speaker 2: golf course trying to beat Mike Holmgrim to breakfast.

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Speaker 1: I had it, yeah, you know all the stories. I

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Speaker 1: I did have it pretty easy when it comes to that,

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Speaker 1: but you know, you got to earn your stripes. I

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Speaker 1: didn't have it easy at the beginning. I had to

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Speaker 1: do everything else that you know, all the other guys

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Speaker 1: were doing. But I think that as I got older,

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Speaker 1: I got smarter. But you know, listen, I think and

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not knocking this at all. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, back when I played, things were so much different.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't know any better than two days

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Speaker 1: we were in training camp six weeks, six weeks and

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Speaker 1: that's legitimate six weeks. And listen, I two days and

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Speaker 1: pads for me wasn't all that bad. But I mean

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Speaker 1: It was just straight through. So but you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: I think in today's game, as you know, it's all

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever asked you this specific question,

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Speaker 2: maybe because it's it's it's the position you play. But

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Speaker 2: you saw the whole era, right, You were back in

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Speaker 2: and then you were were you did you practice under

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Speaker 2: the new CBA. No you didn't, right, No, So no,

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Speaker 2: So do you think or did you see a drop

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I was kind of practicing. I was

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Speaker 1: practicing the way the new CBA was because I only

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Speaker 1: practiced once once a day, So I was I innovated that,

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Speaker 1: you know. But no, I think that. And to answer

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Speaker 1: remember this too. Everything's about money, you know that in

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Speaker 1: this business. And because the sour cap goes up, guys

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Speaker 1: So guys are getting paid to come to work out,

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Speaker 1: so you get you know, you're preparing, you're basically paying

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Speaker 2: Interesting how much you mentioned Tom, how much did you

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Speaker 2: see him pull back in camp in the offseason, you know,

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Speaker 2: the whole and I think personality wise, Tom Coughlin did

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Speaker 2: You can talk about that too, but just from a

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Speaker 1: I think towards the end I did. I mean I

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Speaker 1: played for Tom for six years, so the first three,

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Speaker 1: after that I think that I think not only did

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Speaker 1: Tom need to change, I think the league changed. I

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Speaker 1: think things started to get a little bit and you know,

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Speaker 1: people were understanding that this game is so physical that

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Speaker 1: I think that things worked out for the better, and

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Speaker 1: I think today I think it would be very difficult

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Speaker 1: personally think that just because I have my kids are older.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about your kids this morning.

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Speaker 1: My kids are thirty three down to twenty four. So

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Speaker 2: Actually on the older side, believe it or not, was right.

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Speaker 1: So I have a twenty four and a twenty seven

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Speaker 1: because I feel like calling my kids lazy. But I

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Speaker 1: you know, people, it's when you get money, it's and

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Speaker 1: by the way, the new guys coming in they got paid,

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Speaker 1: is to the point where these guys come from college

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Speaker 1: It wasn't very much, but it was something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: now it's like, wow, these guys just you know, what

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Speaker 2: So Miami saw like the wide receivers in court is

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Speaker 1: Is that I didn't even get hot wheels. I think

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Speaker 2: I bought it, okay, Well, then you didn't get anything.

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Speaker 2: chat with This is so much fun. What made Tom

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Speaker 2: particularly intense compared to prior coaches? And by the way,

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Speaker 2: it's not like you played for these like you know

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Speaker 2: Leys is Fair, like you know fly by Night. You

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Speaker 2: played Mike Holmgren, another guy that was pretty intense.

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Speaker 1: Breddy Ryan, Yeah, gosh, my buddy Ryan.

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Speaker 2: What made what made Tom different? And frankly, if you

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Speaker 2: want to, what made all your coaches a little bit different?

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Speaker 2: Because there's some big names there that I think people

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Speaker 2: like stories.

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Speaker 1: If I compare the two, just going back to Seattle

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Speaker 1: before I came here with Mike Combran, I think Mike

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Speaker 1: Combran had a bigger ego than Tom Coughlin. Tom Tom,

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Speaker 1: you know, he has somewhat of an ego, but the

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Speaker 1: fact is they all have some type. Yeah exactly, But

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Speaker 1: I feel like Tom Tom was real and to this

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Speaker 1: day he's say same person.

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Speaker 2: He really is.

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Speaker 1: His work ethic, the way he does things, his expectations.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the biggest thing I know. All

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Speaker 1: football coaches have expectations for their players. And but I

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Speaker 1: don't know to an extent how far they go to

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Speaker 1: create those expectations where the player understands that all Tom

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Speaker 1: wanted to do was make you better constantly, by.

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Speaker 2: The way, not just as a football player, someone that

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Speaker 2: worked not in the football side. I felt pressure to

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Speaker 2: do things. Everything I did the right way because I

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Speaker 2: around waiting for something to happen, doing production. You would

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Speaker 2: want to do it a certain way. So if Tom

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Speaker 1: You know, you know this better than anybody, is that

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Speaker 1: I feel like the head coach creates some of the

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Speaker 1: That's okay, I'm just one of you ahead of time.

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Speaker 2: do you take that toll with thirteen million dollars a

433
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 2: year and put it towards a guy like Brian Burns. Right,

434
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 2: it's the same type of conversation. It's about money, it's

435
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 2: not about draft picks, but it's still about asset allocation.

436
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 2: And I think Joe Shane came down to it that

437
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 2: Saquon great player, but a running back position. And be

438
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Speaker 2: the other part of this too, is when you're talking

439
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Speaker 2: about drafting Saquon Barkley, well, he's a twenty one year

440
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,640
Speaker 2: old that has a lot of tread on the tires. Well,

441
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 2: now you're talking about asset allocation toenty twenty seven year

442
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 2: old running back who I think we've seen lose.

443
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Speaker 1: Some juice of course, you know, running back.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just think it's funny that it's the

445
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 2: same kind of conversation just replaying itself with some different circumstances,

446
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,679
Speaker 2: you know, six seven years later.

447
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Speaker 1: Big circumstances in my opinion, though, I mean bigger circumstances

448
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 1: than when he was twenty one number one. He you know,

449
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 1: he inevily has a problem staying on the field. So

450
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 1: when you're gonna pay somebody, we know this, you know,

451
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pay somebody a lot of money, it's like,

452
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,120
Speaker 1: you know what it's like if I'm going to pay

453
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Speaker 1: a roofer to do my roof, and I know he's

454
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Speaker 1: pretty good, and he only does three quarters of the

455
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 1: roof all every time. I mean, I want somebody that's

456
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: gonna do my roof one hundred percent every time. I

457
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: need him on the field all the time if I'm

458
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Speaker 1: going to pay this kind of money. So it's hard

459
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Speaker 1: to keep running backs on the field. They're just to

460
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: get beat up, just like middle linebackers. Guys that hit

461
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 1: like that all the time. So it's just that's just

462
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 1: the way of life. It is. So I think that,

463
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, defensively, I think some of that money got allocated,

464
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Speaker 1: as you say to free agency pass rush. Okay, yeah,

465
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Speaker 1: you know you got Thibodeaux. He's he's he's coming into

466
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Speaker 1: his own now. They's been in the league a couple

467
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: of years now. It takes a while for these guys

468
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Speaker 1: to understand it. But Brian Burns is you know, he's

469
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Speaker 1: a top hundred player in this league. I mean, he's

470
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Speaker 1: going to be excited to watch too. So those two players,

471
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 1: I think, Neighbors on offense and Brian Burns on defense

472
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: are gonna be something to watch.

473
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Speaker 3: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start

474
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Speaker 3: a turf biz business grows, your savings grow, become the

475
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Speaker 3: most celebrated name in turn. Are you ready for all

476
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Speaker 3: that life brings.

477
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Speaker 1: This year?

478
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun. Now, you haven't watched Hard Knocks yet.

479
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: I heavily recommend it. It's very good. You need to

480
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: go back and do that.

481
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Speaker 1: I want to. I want you and it's I'm probably

482
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Speaker 1: gonna just binge watch it all the way through what

483
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: it's done last time. Okay, all right, there you go,

484
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: but it is, but it is interesting. I know people

485
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: are watching it, of course I haven't, but I understand

486
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Speaker 1: what's going on behind the scenes. As a player that

487
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: played in this league for a long time and a

488
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: guy that did my own contracts for a while, I

489
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: get what all of this is about. Behind the doors.

490
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: It's a business and that's what the fans are finally seeing.

491
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: And maybe it showed it sheds a little light on

492
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Speaker 1: things when we're talking, When you guys are talking about

493
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Speaker 1: this stuff, people can now understand a little bit more

494
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: like what we were talking about that they didn't understand

495
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: because it is, it's it's it's kind of interesting.

496
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Speaker 2: So one thing that at the end of Free Agency

497
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 2: they show a scene in Hard Knocks. I'm not gonna

498
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't spoil anything for you.

499
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what happens.

500
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Speaker 2: It's real life. But is it the very in the

501
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: free agency and they kind of do most of their

502
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Speaker 2: big moves, and Shane's in his office and Brian Dable

503
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Speaker 2: face times. The idea is that's what Dage does. He

504
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Speaker 2: face times.

505
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Speaker 1: Everybody, uh huh.

506
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: And you know he sends them an old text exchange

507
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: team to two and and you know Shane goes, you

508
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: know what, Wow, look at that at the startup free agency,

509
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: and I forget the exact phrasing was basically help the

510
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: quarterback and then get the quarterback. And it seems like

511
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: that's really what this off season was about, right. You

512
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: talk about the new offensive lineman, whether it's Jermaine Luminar

513
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: or John Runyon Junior, adding neighbors and wide receiver Brian

514
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Speaker 2: Burns on defense to get the quarterback. For you, as

515
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Speaker 2: as a guy that lived through an era of Giants

516
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Speaker 2: football where it was all about protecting the quarterback, get

517
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: think him, weapons, Burris, et cetera, et cetera, and then

518
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Speaker 2: on the other side getting after the quarterback. With all

519
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: the front guys, what's your reaction to seeing them kind

520
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: of return to that basic build from and I think

521
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: Joe Shane has been trying to do this since it

522
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: has been here. Build from the inside out philosophy, where

523
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: you start at the ball at the line of discoverson

524
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Speaker 2: the build out from there.

525
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Speaker 1: Listen, you know you've been covering it long enough to

526
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: know that the rules don't change. You start from there,

527
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: You start from inside and work out right, And so

528
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Speaker 1: I think that it's going to help tremendously because if

529
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Speaker 1: you can get after the quarterback, that helps your offense.

530
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: And if your offense can move the ball, and even

531
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Speaker 1: if they don't put points on the board, at least

532
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: they give the defense of a better chance on the

533
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: field position where they're at. So I just think overall

534
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: that that that's kind of just the way it's always been,

535
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, protect your quarterback and get after the quarterback

536
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Speaker 1: on defense, and in the meantime, put a little place

537
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 1: to little guys around you. You know, you look at

538
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: the receiver cord that the Giants have. I mean a

539
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: lot of guys get lost in the mix here, you know,

540
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,239
Speaker 1: you hie it. And when Dale Robinson, these guys are

541
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: like they can play. And then you've got Singletary, who's

542
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: now the new running back. I mean, he's not gonna

543
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: be Sae Kwon Barkley, but he knows the system and

544
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: he's a good guy out of the backfield. He's going

545
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: to run the ball for you. But you know this, John,

546
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: you can't just have one running back. You got to

547
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: have a couple, you know. So, and I think what's

548
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: hurt this team in the past at those positions that

549
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: we've talked about is depth. And I think as soon

550
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: as this team starts to build their depth, and I

551
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: think they have on the offensive line hundred percent. And

552
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: that's hard. It's it's so hard to do. You can

553
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: do it on paper. We've done it on paper, we've

554
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: built it through, We've done everything we can. But you

555
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: know what, it's up to the guys to actually play

556
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: and and really just make us look good by what

557
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Speaker 1: we did on paper. And it's not easy. And again,

558
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: health comes into it. And because if you do not

559
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: have good depth, because this this is the attrition on

560
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line and defensive these guys get beat up.

561
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: So you got to have good backups.

562
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Speaker 2: Big year for DJ, Yeah, what's what's your anticipation here? Which, well,

563
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: what and considering what I think is the best wide

564
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 2: receiver group piece had since he's been here, and you hope,

565
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: the best offensive line group he's had since he's been here.

566
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Speaker 1: I think arguably, I think I agree with you. I

567
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: think I don't know how far back you can go.

568
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean talk about building. This is year three for

569
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: this for this you know this coaching staff and I'm

570
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: Shane and Dable, So yeah, I think that they've got

571
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of good pieces on the offense.

572
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: But for Daniel, I think that's just I think I

573
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: think it's it's proven, you know. I mean, listen, we

574
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: talk about all the money. We obviously know what happened

575
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Speaker 1: in the draft and the whole quarterback thing and this

576
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: and that. As a player that motivates you, it really does.

577
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: And look at the last time Daniel Jones was motivated,

578
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: he had a pretty darn good season. They got a

579
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: huge contract out of it. So I think for Daniel,

580
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: if I'm Daniel, I'm saying to myself, Okay, listen, they

581
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: wanted to maybe try to get another quarterback. That that's known.

582
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Speaker 1: Second of all, I if they don't want me anymore,

583
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: I got to have a good year because I want

584
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: to play more football. If they're gonna get rid of me,

585
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: I want to be able to go somewhere else. So

586
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: or why don't I just put in everybody's face and

587
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: come out and throw, you know, for twenty five thirty touchdowns,

588
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: six seven interceptions and have a really super year, So

589
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: make it tough on them to do something with me.

590
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: That's what I would be. Yeah, And I mean what

591
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: else is there? Right?

592
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: I mean, well, you can do is play well.

593
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: Right, And again, the position commands money. No matter what.

594
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: If you don't have a good quarterback, you're not gonna

595
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: go anywhere. And good quarterbacks cost money. John, you know this, okay,

596
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: So inevitably you're gonna have to pay the position. And

597
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: by the way, the cap goes up every year. There's

598
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: ways to circumvent it. And I think that the de

599
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: fines but for just throw the money away for now,

600
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: Like what, don't don't talk about money, Just talk about

601
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: what he has to prove to himself and the organization

602
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: and to the rest of the league. That's what if

603
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Jones, That's what I'm looking at.

604
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: We got a couple minutes year. Two things I want

605
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: to ask you about. One, you've been around teams and

606
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: whether it's on them or covering them where you get

607
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: slow starts, right and you come out of the gate

608
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: you lose a couple of games. And oh and two right, correct,

609
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: they're on top of that. You mentioned this is your

610
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: three of the regime, so you know what happens when

611
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: you got guys going into the thirty years, head coaches

612
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Right, So how critical And we

613
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: talked about the slot when you're hosting the show I'm

614
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: big on.

615
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: This is the new one.

616
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: This is a new schedule right here. Okay, how important

617
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: is it to come out it's taped down. Sorry, you're

618
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: gonna have to slide over. How important is it for

619
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: this team to come out here, Jeff, and start fast

620
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: to keep the good feelings good early so you don't

621
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: try to dig yourself out of an early hole here,

622
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: which you've seen this team have to do too many

623
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: times over the years.

624
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: Here, here's the thing with the with the schedule and

625
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: who we play. I mean, obviously it's it's Minnesota. That's

626
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, everything's on Minnesota, right. The media puts the

627
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: pressure on the players have to put the pressure on

628
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: themselves too because they understand and it's fed to them

629
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: by the media, social media everything. So oh and two,

630
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: only x amount of percentage teams make the playoff. If

631
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: you start into all this negative, negative kind of just

632
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: stuff going into these players, you gotta let it go

633
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: and you just got to concentrate on one game at

634
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: a time. But however, confidence, just like anything in any

635
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: position or any any profession you're in, if you have

636
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: that confidence coming out of that, it it helps you

637
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: down the line. So but listen, I think that the

638
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: players have to they have to police themselves in the

639
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: locker room. If you have that lost the first game

640
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: and lost the second game, understand that there's still fifteen

641
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: games left. And a lot of people lose sight of that.

642
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: And of course the press just pounds it at you.

643
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: So and in today's world, how do you get away

644
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: from it other than to throw your you know, your

645
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: phone in the river somewhere. But you'll still hear about.

646
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: It, which I want to do sometimes, by the way.

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Speaker 1: I want to do every day, actually my phone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff, it's great having another guy that's fallthy challenged

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Speaker 2: like great heads of hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what day they're gonna like it? What

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Speaker 1: just you know, look at that we get to wake

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Speaker 1: up in the morning. We don't have to do our hair. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and like we we we actually could not take a

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Speaker 1: nobody would know, right, I mean, I don't have to

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Speaker 1: do my hair.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather not walk around smelling.

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Speaker 1: But yes, no, I'm just kidding. Yeah, but that's good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you your hair looks great. Yeah. Good talking to you, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: and thank you everybody for listening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for being with us on a Giants httle

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Speaker 2: podcast brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of

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Speaker 2: the Giants. I'm John Small for Jeff Fiegels. We'll see

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Speaker 2: you next time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody,