1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Term career goals. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: This episode is airing in mid March of twenty twenty five. 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: I am coming at you live from Sarah's fancy recording 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: studio also known as her closet. We are here in 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: Fort Lauderdale together, Sarah. I feel like we've taken our 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: relationship to a whole new level. 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: No, because I have recorded in your fancy recording studio 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 3: otherwise known as. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a closet, it's a closet, 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: it's not big. 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: So we have reached this level of microphone intimacy before, 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: just in. 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: A different location. 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: We have both been in each other's closets now recording 26 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: which in case anyone is wondering, it tends to be 27 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: better sound quality in an enclosed space. And so you 28 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: have a lot of podcasters who if you're not in 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: a real recording studio, which we have not yet attained 30 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: that level, I guess we are in our closets. But anyway, 31 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: we're here together in Fort Lauderdale, which is really really exciting. 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: I am glad to be here with Sarah. It's always 33 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: fun to come visit her, and especially good to see 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: her this time up and moving around. For those who've 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: been following her blog, we know that she had a 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: pretty major health incident a few weeks ago. So Sarah, 37 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: maybe you could just give the quick version of that. 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: I mean, if there is a quick version. I don't 39 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: know that there is. 40 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: Oh wow, the quick version. It's not gonna be that 41 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: quick because it's okay, but I'll give it. We've got time. 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: We've got thirty five minutes. 43 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: That's true, all right, So and I won't be that 44 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: long either. So some of you already know this stuff 45 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: if you listen to Best Laid Plans, if you read 46 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 3: the blog, but just in case you don't, I had 47 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: an incident after running a half marathon in early March. 48 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: It was the Miami Beach Half called the three h 49 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: five Half, and you know, it was just like another 50 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 3: race for me. I don't even know how many halfs 51 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: I've run, like, I have not counted them at this point, 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: but it's got to be twenty or more. And I 53 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: run that distance like almost every weekend, just as a routine. 54 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: But it was a race, so you know, I went in. 55 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: There have been some stressful stuff going on, nothing terrible, 56 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: like fun stuff. I had come back from a speaking engagement, 57 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: I went to a gymnastics meet the day before, so 58 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: just a lot going on, but nothing terribly unusual. And 59 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: we stayed at Josh's parents the night before so that 60 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: the kids could hang out with their grandparents and we 61 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: could run this race and not have to get up 62 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: so early in drive to Miami Beach, and the race 63 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: itself was going good. It was about sixty five degrees, 64 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: which is for us really nice. Humunity was low, so 65 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: everyone was like, WHOA, this is amazing. We can actually 66 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: run for once and not just be driven down by 67 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: the heat. And my goal was to run like around 68 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: a one forty five, so I was kind of aiming 69 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: for like sub eight minute pace. 70 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: And my plan was going off fine. 71 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 3: I was like a little tired and noticing my heart 72 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: rate was like a little bit on the higher end 73 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: on my watch. 74 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: Than what I would have expected. At the paces. 75 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: I was running, but nothing bad, and I figured, you 76 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: know what, like it's not totally cool out, and you know, 77 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: I just didn't think much of it. But I was 78 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: going up. You go up bridges during this race. There 79 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 3: are actually four times that you go like back and 80 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: forth across from like the mainland. The geography escapes me exactly, 81 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: but you're going up and down these bridges four times, 82 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: and so that's the most challenging part. Otherwise it's flat. 83 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: And the fourth one, I guess I said to myself, 84 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: Oh man, I thought there were only three somehow, but 85 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: I guess we. 86 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: Have another one. 87 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: And I'm doing fine, and like suddenly it was like 88 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: a switch turn on. I'm like, oh, I'm not fine. 89 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: Something's wrong. Like I guess I'm hitting a wall. Oh 90 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: my god, my husband talks about hitting a wall like 91 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: runners talk about hitting a wall and a marathon, and 92 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: I guess that's it. Because I can't breathe and I 93 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: can't go anymore. And you know, I had been going 94 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: like very solidly, steadily around like seven to fifty five, 95 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: eight minutes, like right where I wanted to be, and 96 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: I just like. 97 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: Could not do that. 98 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: So I start walking and I start jogging and still 99 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: feeling terrible. Like normally, if you're going to give up 100 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: and then you're going to run a ten minute mile 101 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: after you've been running eight, you would think, well, at 102 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: least now I'm going to be able to breathe. 103 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: Right. I'm sad, but I can. 104 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: But I still didn't feel right. And I got to 105 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: the end of the race and I was like, okay, 106 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: well I'm done. Now my body can calm down. I 107 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: don't know what the heck just happened, but that was 108 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 3: so sad, and man, I ran a one fifty that sucks, 109 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: like it's not what I wanted. And my friend passed me, 110 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm thinking all this stuff, and then 111 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: I'm like, but like, why isn't my heart slowing down? 112 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: Like why do I feel like I'm still running and 113 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: I'm standing still, Okay, I need to sit down for 114 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: a little bit longer. And I find my friend, my 115 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: lovely friend Tracy, who did amazing in that race. 116 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: She's the one who passed me. She had a great race, 117 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: and she's. 118 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: Like, you don't seem quite great, Like, let's go find 119 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: the medical tent. So she like helped me find it, 120 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: which is good because like I was kind of like 121 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: in distress already, and I don't know if I would 122 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: have been able to get there very well. Well, Josh 123 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: had already finished like ten minutes before. I'm celebrating with 124 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: some friends, but we called him and he's like, okay, 125 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 3: I'm coming right over. 126 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: And I go in there and they put. 127 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: A pul sox on me, and they put a blood 128 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: pressure cuf on and the pul sox says, Okay, you're 129 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: like satting ninety eight percent, your pulse is eighty something, 130 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: your blood pressure is like nineties over sixties. You're like, eh, 131 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 3: you're a little degagraated. 132 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: That's fine. 133 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, that makes sense. Like I think 134 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: I'm maybe okay, and I start to walk away. But 135 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: then I started to feel like I really couldn't breathe, 136 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 3: like I was shorter of breath, Like I've never really 137 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: had shortness of breath. I've seen it lots, you know, 138 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: as a clinician. But I'm like, I think I'm having 139 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: an allergic reaction or anaphleaxis, cause I feel like my 140 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 3: airways closing and my chest feels like it hurts, and 141 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm reacting to, but I need 142 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: to go back. So like we'd goten like ten feet away, 143 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: but we walked back and they're like, okay, this time, 144 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: sit down and we'll put the leads on you, like 145 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 3: the little cardiac leads. I'm like the second they did that, 146 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: everyone was like like there was like things had changed, 147 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: Like everyone was like, oh, this is not good, Like 148 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: we are intro because I guess my heart rate was 149 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: going like over two fifty and the pull sox just 150 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: hadn't picked up on it. I guess because my pulses 151 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: hadn't been making it all the way to my finger 152 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: or what the pull sox was. But my heart was 153 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 3: showing this like rate of over two fifty and it 154 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: looked funky. I knew enough to be like, Okay, that's 155 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 3: very bad, and they're gonna like code me and stuff 156 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: is gonna happen. And sure enough, I started feeling more 157 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: and more dizzy, and my blood pressure is dropping and 158 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 3: just a series of events, I'm getting on a stretcher 159 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: and they're taking me to an ambulance and sticking ivs 160 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: in me. 161 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: Really harrowing ride. I was awake the whole time, so 162 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: it was not even like I passed out and got 163 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: to miss out on this experience. 164 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: I was very dizzy and lightheaded, but like still there, 165 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: and I kept hearing them say something about shocking, and 166 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: I'm like. 167 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: Do not shock me. I am awake. 168 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: I cannot be shocked. I've never seen anyone shocked awake. 169 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: I mean maybe people are shocked awake. I actually haven't 170 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: gone back to looked that. It was just horrifying to me, 171 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: the idea that I would be like electrocuted while I 172 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: could still talk right, even if my vitals looked bad. 173 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: And we're like in the ambulance and I'm think gave 174 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: me two doses of a medicine called dniscene, which if 175 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: you have something called super ventricular taket cardia, often it 176 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 3: will help stop it if you don't maybe even if 177 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: you do, but it makes you feel like you're gonna die. 178 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: So I like, what like you can't breathe or you 179 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: can't or you just feel. 180 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: Pad he like starts to go black and you feel 181 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: like your heart is stopping, and in that context, I 182 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: was like maybe I am actually dying, and I'm like 183 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: some sort of yeah, and I'm like saying, I love you, 184 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,559 Speaker 3: I love the kids, like I need to be alive 185 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: for my babies, like please like make this stop. And 186 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: we get to the hospital, which was pretty close. I mean, 187 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: they had the sirens on and everything, and I think 188 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: it was like ten minute ride or maybe less because 189 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: mounts On Hospital in mind. 190 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just pretty close to where the race was. 191 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: And they get me the er and I'm like, okay. 192 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: The doctors are here, like they're like, we have to 193 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: shock you, and I'm. 194 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Like, just put me asleep. I guess I acknowledge the most. 195 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: Josh and the ambulance with yeah, yes, and he was 196 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: like terrified. 197 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: I mean he was like he said he lost all 198 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: of his medical skills during that time because. 199 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: He just couldn't like think of that type of stuff. 200 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: And they were able to get an iv in give 201 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: me a dose of medicine to like make me not 202 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: asleep but like amnestic yeah, so that I wouldn't remember 203 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: the experience the dose over said, and I got shocked 204 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: and it worked, so Josh said immediately was like what happened. 205 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: My heart rate went from two sixty five to like 206 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: eighty yeah, no, like right, just like it's supposed to. 207 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 208 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: And I think in retrospect that I probably had been 209 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: in that crazy rhythm for like a long time, like 210 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: for maybe from the race, or maybe I was off 211 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: and on during the race when I was finishing it 212 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: all the way that whole time in the medical tent, 213 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: et cetera. My blood pressure got as low as like 214 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: sixties or ver thirties or something terrible. It was a 215 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: lot the labs they drew labs on me, which looked insane. 216 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, that's what sick people's labs look like. So 217 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: I was kind of like the definition of like cardio 218 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: headed towards like CARDI you ding shock or whatever. And 219 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: that was a lot in my completely boring health history 220 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: of a life. 221 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: I yeah, because you didn't. 222 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: Have any really like I mean, you didn't have much 223 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: warning that this was and that happened. 224 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: I had no warning. 225 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: I mean I am like healthy, like I have normal 226 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: blood pressure, I have a really low resting heart rate. 227 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: I say that there's two clues. 228 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: And just in case anyone's listening to this, it's like 229 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: I'm worried this could happen to me, which it probably won't, 230 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: but like it could, these things do happen. The two 231 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: warning signs I had where that I did have one 232 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 3: race five years ago or had the same thing happen. 233 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: It wasn't as bad, it went away on its own, 234 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: but it was like really fast heartbeat that I felt 235 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: like I couldn't control, and short of breath that it 236 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 3: lasted for like over a half hour after I had 237 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: stopped running, and I was going to bring it up 238 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: with my doctor, like I remember, but. 239 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: Then I think COVID happened. 240 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: This was twenty twenty pre COVID, like January, and then 241 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 3: I don't think it ever turned into anything. And honestly, 242 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: even if I had, I'm not sure they would have 243 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: found anything at the time because some of my initial 244 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 3: testing was normal anyway, even this time, so who knows 245 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: if that would have come to anything. But I did 246 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: have one prior episode, so I'd say do not ignore 247 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: shortness of breath or weird heart stuff. 248 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: That is triggered by exercise. 249 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 3: And the other thing is I do have a lot 250 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: of what's known as PVC's or like extra beats. I 251 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: kind of always had, and I had actually noticed them 252 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: like a little more than normal in the feud actually 253 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 3: at a conference, mean like you just feel your heart 254 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: like skip a beat or like like you feel a 255 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: little palpitation, and then maybe you're like, oh that's weird. 256 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,359 Speaker 3: I'll feel my pulse and it's just like weirdly like irregular, 257 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: like you'll feel like beat beat beat, like and you anyway, yeah, 258 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: like extra beats. They're called like PVCs, and they can 259 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: be normal and a lot of people have them. A 260 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: caffeine can make them worse than some people. But I 261 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: had like actually when I was at that conference. I 262 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 3: was at a conference in Texas speaking and I was 263 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: went to some of the sessions, and I guess I 264 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: think I noticed it more when I'm just sitting still. 265 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: Plus I did drink coffee, probably more than normal because 266 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 3: I was like at a conference, that's what you do, right, 267 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: And I just noticed them. 268 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: So that's like my one other maybe clue. But other 269 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: than that, no, nothing, Yeah, I. 270 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: Mean because you were running like fifty sixty miles a 271 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: week pretty fast and not having this happen and like 272 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: on a daily. 273 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: So many races. I've run two marathons in last year. 274 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: I didn't have this issue. 275 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: I've run many really fast paced training runs. I mean, 276 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: I guess the only difference with the half is like 277 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: a faster pace for. 278 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: Like a little bit more. But I wasn't even like 279 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't dying in that race. 280 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: I actually was sort of thinking to myself, Oh, this 281 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: feels good, Like I feel like I'm kind of going 282 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: marathon pace. I'm not gonna push too hard. Let me 283 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: just see what my splits end up. It didn't feel 284 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: like a heroic effort until the part where I couldn't 285 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: do it anymore. 286 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now that's well, who knows. I mean, these 287 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: things happen so randomly. I mean, it's not like there's 288 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: one thing that probably caused it. 289 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: They do, and there's a lot of underlying things that 290 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: can cause us. And I still don't one hundred percent 291 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: know why this happened to me. I did have quite 292 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: a work up when I was in the hospital for 293 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: about a week, CT scan, MRI echo cath to look 294 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 3: at my cornarys cath to do an EP study and 295 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: find out how like a rhythmegenic my heart is. So 296 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 3: all those things put together and it does turn out 297 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: like it was kind of a shock to me because 298 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 299 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm just used to getting like. 300 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: Medically good news or like medically benign news, and stuff 301 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: came back that I do have some abnormal all my 302 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: imaging that and on my rhythm study that I was 303 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: kind of more prone to a rhythmias than they expected, 304 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: like they were able to induce them, I guess very easily. 305 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: And then also some just changes in the way the 306 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: walls of my heart looked and the ways of the walls 307 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: of my heart moved, and the sizes of the chambers. 308 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: Now you can get some like athletic remodeling, So that 309 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 3: can be confusing, like people who are training can actually 310 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 3: get like normal physiologic enlargement of certain chambers of the heart. 311 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: So they had to really carefully try to figure out, 312 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 3: like is what they're seeing in me that or is 313 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: it like more than that. They consulted with some experts 314 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: and stuff, and right now the consensus is it's more 315 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: than that. It's not that we don't know exactly what 316 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 3: the underlying thing is. It might be something called a 317 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: rhythmogenic right ventricular displaysia, which is actually more commonly seen 318 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: in athletes because being very active as tends to be 319 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: what brings out the phenotype and people that are predisposed 320 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: in it, but we don't know for sure yet, and 321 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: so I'm still kind of in the question answering phase. 322 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: And the other things they're thinking about is like, could 323 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: it have been like an old myocarditis that caused changes 324 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: in my heart and even some other really weird, rare things. 325 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: And I'm not even gonna mention all sorts of wonderful things. 326 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: None of it's great. Yeah, yeah, we like to be normal. Yes, 327 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: normal is good. 328 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: All right, Well we're gonna take a quick ad break 329 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: and then be back hearing a little bit more from 330 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: Sarah about her experience. 331 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: Well, we are back. 332 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: We've been talking with Sarah about her very scary incident 333 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: after her half marathon where she wound up in the 334 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: hospital for a week after a heart incident. So maybe 335 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: you can talk a little bit more about what came 336 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: out of that and what your current setup is. 337 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 3: Yes, so this all felt like was happening really really fast, 338 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: because it was I mean, you know, I went from 339 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: like no medical history, nothing exciting to like, your heart's 340 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: not right in a very short period of time. And 341 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: the doctors felt pretty strongly as well as my husband 342 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: and talking with very like we actually ended up like 343 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 3: consulting that doctors who work with my health system in 344 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 3: addition to the ones where I was because we have 345 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: access to them. I feel super, super lucky and privileged 346 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: that I was able to get not only just care, 347 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: but like even multiple expert voices of care in the moment, 348 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: which was amazing. But everyone felt really confident, not necessarily 349 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: with the underlying issue, but that I needed a implanted 350 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: defibrillator because I guess like the amount that it took 351 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: to trigger more a rhythmias during the rhythm study wasn't 352 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: a safe amount. So we looked at the different ones 353 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: and based on what they thought I might have and 354 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: kind of thinking ahead to the future and like procedures 355 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: that I could need or not need, we decided on 356 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: a subcutaneous ICD. So I have a implanted ICD now 357 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: that I had put in just a few days ago 358 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: as we're recording this, So I had my first surgery ever. 359 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: I'm healing from that and I don't know what that's 360 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: going to be like yet. I feel like it's too soon. 361 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: I'm still like literally healing from the incisions and there's 362 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: swelling and there's pain. So I do not think this 363 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: is my long term reality, but I do know that 364 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: as a pretty small person, I think I'm going to 365 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: have a weird outline thing on my body to remind me. 366 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: That it's there. 367 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: It's not going to be so easy to totally forget 368 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: about it. But I also know that it's there because 369 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: if my heart ever decides to do something crazy again, 370 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: it can help me right in the moment and prevent 371 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: something terrible from happening. And they even tested it out, 372 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: so apparently when they put it in this type, they 373 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: want to make sure it works because it's subc it's 374 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: not in the heart, it's like on top of the heart. 375 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: The leads go and so they like put you into 376 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: VTACK or I think even v FIB during the procedure 377 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: and then they shock you out of it and it worked. 378 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: It worked. Well, that's good. 379 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: I mean, so just you know, practical questions here with 380 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: the device, like do the batteries run out? 381 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: Like how is it operating? How is this going on? 382 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I believe the bats last on average eight years, okay, 383 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: and so you just get it replaced. So I will 384 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: have to schedule surgery for twenty thirty whatever, twenty thirty 385 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: three years. So but that's down average. I think sometimes 386 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: it's longer and sometimes it's shorter. I think it's under 387 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: warranty for six warranty. Warranties are nice kind of like 388 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: a used car or something. 389 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: Oh, dear, dear, And you know, is that like when 390 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: you go through metal detectors. 391 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: Is that going to be a thing as well? 392 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: Yes, they said, don't go through metal detectors, like you 393 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: have to request like a pat down. I don't know, 394 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: like if there's like if you do, just make sure. 395 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: You don't linger run through, except don't run right right. 396 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get to that, but yeah, yeah, yeah, like yes, 397 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: but I think in general, my policy instead of being like, 398 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: oh I can go through, but I can go fast, 399 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: it's just gonna be like, no, I have a thingy whatever, 400 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: pat me down, it's fine, and then saying yeah, like 401 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: the airport and concerts and stuff like that. And there's 402 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: some other really random stuff like they say like don't 403 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: use like a body fat scale, like you know those 404 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: are everywhere, yeah, and like we have one, and I'm like, 405 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: oh my god, don't. 406 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: Step on that, like don't forget. 407 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I. 408 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: Mean again, I think a lot of these things are 409 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 3: probably like not super high risk. But at the same time, 410 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, if I accidentally shock myself, I'll. 411 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: Be really sad. Yeah, so yeah, you gonna. 412 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: Try to be follow all the directions, try to avoid 413 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 2: that if at all possible. So you're resting, relaxing as 414 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: much as as possible in your life right here. 415 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still like tired, Like I'm still I'm honestly 416 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 3: still like in post up pain. 417 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: To some extent. 418 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: Today has been okay, Like I haven't even taken anything 419 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: other than I yourprofene like a few hours ago, and 420 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 3: I'm feeling pretty good. But I had to take like 421 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: a long nap this morning because I slept so badly 422 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: because of pain. So just not like back yet. My 423 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: thought is I'll probably have two weeks away from clinical 424 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 3: work from the date of the surgery, which I think 425 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: should be enough because it's not super super invasive, and 426 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: I'm my hope is to go back feeling like pretty 427 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: good rather than like limping on in there and kind 428 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: of being halfway there. So yeah, but podcasting, I mean, listen, 429 00:17:59,160 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 3: it's talking. 430 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: I love to talk. 431 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: It's like therapeutic. It away, so that kind of work. 432 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: I don't mind. 433 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: Going back, don't mind going back to that's good. So yeah, yeah, 434 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: now I'm excited to be here. I'm getting to see 435 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: Sarah's house and experience the places that I've I've actually 436 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: only seen through like the zoom camera because I hadn't 437 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: been here before. 438 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because I've been to your house 439 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: a bunch, so this is actually kind of cool. 440 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 441 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Sarah's parents live pretty near to me, so 442 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: she has many reasons to come up and visit. But 443 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's still like a huge adjustment and it's 444 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: your family been all doing okay. 445 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing okay. 446 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 3: I mean we did a lot of frequent like text 447 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: chain updates and stuff like that. Josh kind of took 448 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 3: over a lot of that. But yeah, everyone seems okay. 449 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 3: I had the shower of love I got from like friends, family, 450 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 3: community members, blog readers, et cetera. Has been like totally 451 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 3: amazing and unexpected and not even like I just feel 452 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: bad like people are sending me on I'm like, you 453 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: don't need to do this, like thank you. 454 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: No, It's been wonderful. 455 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 3: It makes me just recognize, like what a wonderful community 456 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: has been built out of doing stuff out there in 457 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 3: the world, and I really appreciate it. 458 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 459 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: Well, and we'll talk about this a little bit in 460 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: the question section of this. But you know, there's this 461 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: tension between planning and like life happens, of course, and 462 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: you can't plan for big things, unexpected things to happen. 463 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, that doesn't mean that planning 464 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: is useless and not worth it either. And so I 465 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: feel like sometimes when big things happen, people come at 466 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: this it's like we'll see you know, you we make 467 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: our plans and God laughs. But no, because then just 468 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: even stuff like making sure like your daughter still got 469 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: her braces off at the right time, like a big 470 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 2: milestone for that, even in the middle of all this, 471 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: like all the good systems make that happen. 472 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely do not regret any of the past 473 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 3: planning I've done, nor do I like feel like, oh, well, 474 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: that was dumb. I wanted to you know, just because 475 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: my twenty twenty five goals had running related goals on 476 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: them make all of them worthless. I mean, first of all, 477 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: I always go in knowing I'm not going to meet 478 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: every goal, like maybe Laura. 479 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: Doesn't, but I don't. 480 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: Ever. 481 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't meet every goal. No, No, I know that. 482 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: I definitely I think you sometimes aim more to meet 483 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 3: every goal. But I have like an open mind about like, 484 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 3: you know, this is what I'm thinking about, and if 485 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: I meet like a good amount of these, like, that's amazing. 486 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: But you wouldn't be here right now. We wouldn't actually 487 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: be having this time if we hadn't plan on it. 488 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: And even though it looks different, I'm still really really 489 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 3: glad like we planned it. Yeah, it's working out nice, 490 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 3: and it turns out that actually I'm getting some really 491 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: nice distraction. 492 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Even then we would have been. 493 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 3: At the beach, So that's all right. Planning can pause 494 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: and you could take time to wallow. I have a 495 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 3: whole chapter about like I'm gonna read my own chapter. 496 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: Chapter you reach your own chapter on wallowings. 497 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: No, but really I have a chapter on like when 498 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 3: things are hard, and like I talk about wallowing, and 499 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 3: I talk about like taking a minute to just like 500 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: regroup and letting yourself go slowly and all those kinds 501 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: of things, and those all apply, and you can still 502 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 3: plan and use planning to help you kind of recover 503 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: from something like this rather than be mad at the 504 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: fact that you did it in the first place. 505 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're going to take one more quick ad 506 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: break and then we'll be back with a little bit 507 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: more about this topic. Well, we are back talking about 508 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: life updates, Sarah, you know, adjusting to the new normal 509 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: with being a I don't know, being a cardiac patient, 510 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: being a cardiac patient. But you know, it's like we 511 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: could hold two thoughts in mind simultaneously, Hairy. One is that, 512 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: you know, we're all so grateful that things did not 513 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: go worse, that you got medical help quickly, that people 514 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: recognized what was going on, you were in a place 515 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: where that could happen, as opposed to like ten miles 516 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: from the house on a long on at four am 517 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 2: that you were doing on your own, where nobody would 518 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: have noticed or something until all that, So we could 519 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: be grateful for that. We can also just realize, like 520 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: everything about this sucks, Like there's just you know, yeah, yeah. 521 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: And it's hard, like you know, there's no like suck Olympics. 522 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 3: Like part of me is like, well I wish it 523 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: was this condition, are like, well that's worse than it's like, 524 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 3: you know what, that all sucks it all sucks, all 525 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 3: of it, and there's no like even real like comparisons 526 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: to be made or anything. And one piece of the 527 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 3: suckage that Laura hasn't mentioned because I thinks she's not 528 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: sure whether she should mention or not, is that I 529 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: probably cannot run anymore. Don't know for sure, but if 530 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: the diagnosis is what they think it is, exercise has 531 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: been shown to cause further remodeling of the heart in 532 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: a maladaptive way and can lead to heart failure over time. 533 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: Now I don't again, don't know for sure, so maybe 534 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: like there's like this chance they'll be like, actually it 535 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 3: was my ocarditis and that doesn't apply to you, and 536 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: like whatever. I don't think it's healthy for me to 537 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: hold on to that hope because I don't think it's 538 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 3: super high. But I'm just you know, I'll keep an 539 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: air of uncertainty there because it is there. But if 540 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: it is that, and certainly until we figure out that 541 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 3: it's not that, I can't really run, like won't be 542 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: able to do even like high intensity spinning. And before 543 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: you're like that can't possibly be true. I mean, of 544 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: course we don't know everything, but it looks like there 545 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 3: is enough research on this specific thing where the top 546 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 3: centers kind of really recommend very specific amounts of exercise 547 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 3: that are not what I was used to doing anywhere 548 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: close would I be able to maybe sometimes do a 549 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: slow three mile run, like maybe great, But it's going 550 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: to be a change. 551 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: It's going to be a an enormous change. 552 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 3: So I am grappling with that because it is nowhere 553 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 3: near it's important as being alive and being with my family, 554 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: and it's still like an annoying, crappy loss that is 555 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 3: going to change my lifestyle a lot, because I just 556 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 3: really have always loved to be active, Like I never 557 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: really had a long period of my life where I 558 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: wasn't working out most days for a significant amount of time, 559 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 3: and I feel like I was like really relied on 560 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 3: that like hormonal endorphin kind of whatever it was. 561 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: It's not. 562 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: It hasn't always been running, and there have been periods 563 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: where I've done a lot lot less. Like actually, I 564 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: look back on my infertility period when I was mostly 565 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: going to yoga, and I was like, you know what, 566 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: other than the infertility part, I kind of liked that lifestyle, 567 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 3: Like it wasn't that bad. So I'm glad I actually 568 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 3: have that to refer to and think about. 569 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: So you've been through this before in the sense of 570 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 1: remodeling sort of your identity differents like I canun. 571 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can like feel active and enjoy life and 572 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 3: didn't really have like some huge gap in my my 573 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 3: existence when I wasn't running during that time. So, and 574 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: I didn't run that much when my kids were little either, 575 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 3: So I'm actually really glad that I've had breaks in 576 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 3: my life at the same time in the last two 577 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: years or so, it's been a huge source of joy. 578 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: And you know, I always wanted to be Q which 579 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: is Boston qualify, and then I finally did. And now 580 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: even if my time from Jacksonville Marathon in December makes it, 581 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 3: I like, I'm not going to submit it because I'm 582 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 3: not gonna be able to run the race. 583 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: And that's that sucks that you qualified? 584 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: You qualified? Yeah, yeah, you know, no, it's rough. Well, 585 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: we need to find you a new nine to ten 586 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 2: hour a week hobby. I guess I know what could 587 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 2: it be. 588 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'll write some more, write more books. 589 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. You can sing, I don't know, choir. 590 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll just sleep a lot more. 591 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to get up at four fifteen 592 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: in the morning. That whatever hobby you're doing that may 593 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: not have to happen. Then maybe you know, play musical instruments. 594 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: You want to get violin back out. 595 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: Probably not probably not, okay, piano, maybe maybe piano. I 596 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: mean a few of those hours could be filled up 597 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: with like yoga, Yeah, yoga, that's true. 598 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: We're gonna try some pilates, you know, all that kind 599 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: of stuff. Maybe more socials. I don't know, we'll see. 600 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: I'm not signing the hours yet, but it is a 601 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: fun thing to think about. Yeah, it's a positive. 602 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 603 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: Well, and again it's the holding two thoughts in mind 604 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: at the same point that you maybe things will be different. 605 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: I mean, medicine advances at a crazy rate. There will 606 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: be you know, you talk about making the appointment for 607 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: your surgery in twenty thirty three, but I can tell 608 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: you the device world will be different in twenty thirty 609 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: three than it. 610 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: Maybe you could just like shoot it in there. 611 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: I know it'll be like AI powered entirely and like 612 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: a robot that like does I don't know. And then 613 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: you know, gene therapy if it is genetic, like there's 614 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: all sorts of things that will happen in the next 615 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: eight years that we just have no idea, and that's 616 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: one of the most exciting things. But you can have 617 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: that thought, but then also build your life in a 618 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: way where you can be happy now whatever that takes. 619 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I believe I'm I don't have a doubt 620 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: that I could be happy again, like I think I 621 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: might if I hadn't done it before. 622 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: But I have done it before, so I could do 623 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: it again. You can do it again. Well, that's wonderful. Well, 624 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here. 625 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 2: I'm glad that we are still able to be in 626 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: the closet recording that there is a March eighteenth episode 627 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 2: or whatever date this is of. 628 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 3: And by the way, if you're listening to this and 629 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: you're like, I don't think she's even fully processed this, 630 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. We are now like ten days or 631 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 3: so out from the event, so I'm still just like 632 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: what happened, Like, Yeah, there's lots of pieces of me 633 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: that are still just trying to figure out how I feel. 634 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: And that's okay. I'm going to give myself time for that. 635 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 3: I think there's a time and a place for therapy 636 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 3: and I think this is it, and yeah, just well 637 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 3: be going forward from. 638 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: Here, going forward from here. I love it. 639 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 2: Well, our question for the week is actually related to this, 640 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: and I'll read it and then we can have Sarah's advice. 641 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: And this is just sort of like maybe how she's 642 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: giving her own advice to a degree. But this listener 643 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 2: writes in that she has a broken kneecap, can't walk 644 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: without crutches, this is an accident that happened, can't drive. 645 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: It's been really challenging to leave her house. They're up 646 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: a lot of steps. So basically she is going to 647 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: be staying home except for medical appointments, for the next 648 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: several months. Fortunately, her job has been able to convert 649 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: to be a one hundred percent work from home job, 650 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: which is very unfortunate. She's adjusting reasonably well to that situation, 651 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: she says, but most of her hopes and dreams for 652 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: other aspects of her life in twenty twenty five seem 653 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: to be lost. They were going to be taking a 654 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 2: European vacation as a family this summer, but it's hard 655 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: to know. Will she be able to walk around on 656 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: cobblestone types treats, you know, the various fitness goals, she had, 657 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: self care goals, friendship goals all seem out of reach. 658 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: She's still feeling kind of emotionally down about this whole thing. 659 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 2: It is grateful for advice on how to pull off 660 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: a major pivot when the things. 661 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: You planned for the years seem like they might not 662 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: be happening. Yeah. 663 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 3: Well, there's a book coming out in January with a 664 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 3: whole chapter about this, and I definitely recommend that you 665 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 3: like pre order about ten copies because I'm just going. 666 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: To give it to all your friends. I hear it's 667 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: called Best Slide Plans. 668 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: Yes, So I mean yes, I one hundred percent like 669 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 3: I'm in the same place. And after the quote wallowing, 670 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 3: which I think can actually be helpful, just kind of 671 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 3: let yourself like not worry. 672 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: About anything for a while, Like don't even. 673 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: Try to plan when you're just first contending with something, 674 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 3: but just like rest and watch TV and like soak 675 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: it in and like take a little bit of time 676 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 3: to process. And then once you've done that, I really 677 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: what I'm trying to do and what I have recommended 678 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 3: is to just like try to go short term first, 679 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: like not oh my god, I have to plan August 680 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: right now, and like will I be able to walk? 681 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 3: And like won't I be able to walk? 682 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: And what can I do? 683 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 3: But like, okay, what can I do this week? Like 684 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: what can I do tomorrow? What little joys can I 685 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: still fit into my life? How can I practice self 686 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: care tomorrow in the ways that I can, rather than 687 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: thinking too much about putting big goals or even like 688 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: pie in the sky ways of caring for myself like 689 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: for the long term. So I would focus yourself in 690 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 3: and then my other thing is to like get all 691 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 3: the support you can, like, don't feel bad. I noticed 692 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: there was like a little hinte of like, you know, 693 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: I did this to myself, but like you know, no 694 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: one wants to do that to themselves, So that needs 695 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: to just go. And I would lean on people who 696 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: want to help you, because they probably truly do want 697 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 3: to help you. And whether that is the support of 698 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: of paid caregivers or therapists or whatever, or just like 699 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: having your family help you a little bit more, you 700 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: should definitely accept that to the extent that you are 701 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: able to. 702 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, good advice. That's where I am right now. 703 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, and just I mean figuring out what 704 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: you can still do. I mean, and if it doesn't 705 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: happen to go to Europe this summer, you know that 706 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: that's something that you want to do as a family. 707 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: That's why you planned it for the summer, which means 708 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: that if it doesn't happen this summer, you make it 709 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: happen next summer, right, and by that time things will 710 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: probably look entirely different in terms of your recovery. You 711 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: said that you had friendship goals. I bet you can 712 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 2: still come up with fun things to do with friends 713 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: because people will come visit you. 714 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: You have a very good excuse to not go to them. 715 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: You can make them all come to you. 716 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: They can bring wine and snacks or board games or 717 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: whatever it is that you can all crouche together, who 718 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: knows whatever you like to do, right, You can do 719 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: that and figure out new physical goals that still work, 720 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: and as you're recovering from this knee injury, that it's 721 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: gonna look different than if you didn't have that. But 722 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you can't have anything that you are 723 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: aiming for and then just keep revisiting as things go along. 724 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, but definitely nothing gained by like beating yourself 725 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: up about any of this. 726 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, people do not cause their medical things like this. 727 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, anyway, we won't go on that soapbox. 728 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: All right, Well, hopefully this has been something of a positive. Yes, yeah, 729 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: I know it's a little less raw than the one. 730 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: We're all we're all feeling a little yikes, yeah, a 731 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: little bit yikes. 732 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 3: I'd have recorded an episode of Bestlay of Plans like 733 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: from the Hot partly because like it's probably dumb, but 734 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: I was like, well, I have an episode due and whatever. 735 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: I probably could have just done something else, but I 736 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 3: maybe I also wanted to like share the story, like, yeah, 737 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: a process. So this one's a little more calm because 738 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: I'm a whole like ten days out now, the. 739 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: Whole ten days out and in your closet and not 740 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: in the hospitals. So it's all feeling a little different, 741 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: all right, So. 742 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: Love of the weeks, Sarah. Yeah, shout out to the 743 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: super nice nurses I had. 744 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: I mean they were all good, but like there were 745 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 3: just some total standouts. 746 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: One of them her name was Sarah. She was awesome. 747 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: She was telling me all about like COVID times and 748 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: how that's what was her very first job was working 749 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: in the ICUs during COVID and I can't even imagine, 750 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: but like, yeah, the nurses were just they made the 751 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: experience great. 752 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: Like the way they were like really made a difference. 753 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: So that was great. And then my other I'm giving 754 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: two because whatever, we can have two loves of the week. 755 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: This Why is that. 756 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 3: Anvil's teeth are so straight? They're so pretty, Like I'm jealous. 757 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 3: She wore racist for a long time, and I you know, 758 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 3: I helped pay for them, so I feel like I 759 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: can take a little bit of credit. Oh and I 760 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 3: drove her to a lot of appointments. 761 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like your street teeth too. Yeah, if 762 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: they're in somebody else's mouth exactly. I'm going to say that. 763 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: It's only a two hour and fifteen minute in the 764 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 2: air flight from Philadelphia to Fort Lauderdale, So you know, 765 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: I was in my house this morning and I'm in 766 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: Sarah's closet right now, and it's kind of cool how 767 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: that works. And yeah, I mean, air travel is amazing 768 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: and gets you far distances very very quickly, and that's 769 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: good because we can come see each other. 770 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah phl fll. It's done it many times, done it 771 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: many times. 772 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: All right, Well we will be back next week with 773 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: more on making work and life fit together. 774 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 775 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 3: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 776 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 3: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you. 777 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 778 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 779 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life 780 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: work together.