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Speaker 1: about since the arrests were made in this case back
Speaker 1: in November of twenty eighteen, and Rita is Angela Wagner's mother.
Speaker 1: She claimed that Angela told her that if you don't
Speaker 1: do this, they're going to hurt me. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: your daughter is basically begging you not to turn her in,
Speaker 1: and then you come to find out that she's essentially
Speaker 1: bringing you into a murder investigation and leaving you under
Speaker 1: the bus. You know, a lot of times in this case,
Speaker 1: it feels like they're doing more to convict Jake and
Speaker 1: Angela than they are George. We've are in custody of
Speaker 1: his son. What did he want? You can't custody? This
Speaker 1: is The Pikes and Massacre Season four, episode sixteen relevancy.
Speaker 1: I'm Courtneyard Shawan, a television producer at Katie Studios with
Speaker 1: Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. We're picking up after last
Speaker 1: episode's testimony from Chris Newcomb, Angelo Wagner's half brother and
Speaker 1: uncle to George and Jake Wagner. On the stand now
Speaker 1: is Chris Newcomb's partner, Miranda Hughes. She opted out of
Speaker 1: video recording, but allowed audio recording of her testimony. It's
Speaker 1: important to note that George Wagner the fourth has pleaded
Speaker 1: not guilty on accounts ass as his father, Billy Wagner,
Speaker 1: whose trial is upcoming. Thank you, good morning. How are
Speaker 1: you nervous? You get that a lot from that chair.
Speaker 1: Miranda opted out of being videotaped, but allowed her verbal
Speaker 1: testimony to be recorded. Did Randa echoed much of Chris
Speaker 1: Newcomb's testimony about Jake and George Wagner's disconcerting die job.
Speaker 1: Were there any conversations about that at that time when
Speaker 1: you saw them with their hair dyed? Yes? And what
Speaker 1: was that? Well that? Why did they do it? And
Speaker 1: Jake said he wanted to look like I think it's
Speaker 1: names Norman reads Norman readers, Yeah, I told him he
Speaker 1: was far from that. But both JP and George had
Speaker 1: their hair come yes, okay? And did you know who
Speaker 1: dyed their hair? Angela? And after the homicides, did that
Speaker 1: fact that they had dyed their hair cause you to
Speaker 1: think something? Yes? Okay? And what was that? Made me worry? Why?
Speaker 1: Because why would you change your parents? And then something
Speaker 1: like that happened. Randa also backed up Chris's claims about
Speaker 1: George's desire for a clock pistol? Was there ever a
Speaker 1: time weird you were present for helping to obtain a
Speaker 1: forty caliber clock for George. Yes, sure, Okay, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna overly objection the answer standing questions. Can you tell
Speaker 1: us about that? Yeah? He asked Chris if he knew
Speaker 1: of anybody that had a glock. Had Chris said that
Speaker 1: he didn't know of anybody at the moment, but that
Speaker 1: he could look for him. And when Chris found one,
Speaker 1: I think George wanted it. So we met up with
Speaker 1: the guy. But George wanted us to go because Chris
Speaker 1: had been the one talking to him. Okay, And did
Speaker 1: you accompany Chris? Yeah? Day, okay? And do you remember
Speaker 1: where you met up with this individual? I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly where. I just know it was a park and ride.
Speaker 1: Randa also made some revealing statements about how George and
Speaker 1: Jake asked her and Chris Nukam to secure custody of
Speaker 1: their kids in case they went to prison after the
Speaker 1: Wagoners were charged in these offenses. Did they want you
Speaker 1: and Chris to do certain things? Yes? Regarding custody of
Speaker 1: his son. What did he want you to do? And
Speaker 1: get custody? Get custody? Okay? And how do you know that?
Speaker 1: Because I asked? Okay? Well, George asked Okay, George asked,
Speaker 1: and did anybody else ask you? Yes? Who else? Angela
Speaker 1: and Jake? Okay, they all three asked you guys to
Speaker 1: try to get custody of yes, correct, And did you
Speaker 1: get an attorney to do that? Yes? But once the
Speaker 1: Wagners were arrested, Chris and Randa abandoned their custody efforts.
Speaker 1: Here's Stephanie and Jeff. This is the very first time
Speaker 1: I'm personally hearing that George and Angela and Jake wanted
Speaker 1: Chris and Randa to be the guardians and the children.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, if you're getting arrested and
Speaker 1: going away from murder, you would want your close family
Speaker 1: member to have custody of your child. But you know,
Speaker 1: at least one of the children George's in this case
Speaker 1: had a mom who could have raised him. That being said, though,
Speaker 1: George had told Chris and Randa that he wanted them
Speaker 1: to have custody, and they were apparently pushing for that
Speaker 1: until they actually met Tabby and realized that she was
Speaker 1: not who George had made her out to be. She
Speaker 1: was actually a good mom and a nice person, and
Speaker 1: George's son had a nice life with her, So they
Speaker 1: dropped any efforts to get custody of the children after Jake, George,
Speaker 1: and Angela and Billy were finally arrested, and for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: the Wagners believed that they were the only people who
Speaker 1: could raise their children and the only people that should
Speaker 1: be raising their children. But it seems like ultimately Chris
Speaker 1: and Randy disagreed. And I still don't think we're getting
Speaker 1: the fall explanation as to why that is, other than
Speaker 1: that the Wagoners simply wanted to control these children. Forensic
Speaker 1: investigator Joseph Scott Morgan sheds light on the place of
Speaker 1: Randy Hughes's testimony and the trial. With Hughes, you know,
Speaker 1: she kind have had an insight into their world that
Speaker 1: not many other people had. I think, you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of get to to peek under the covers a
Speaker 1: little bit with her. You got to see kind of
Speaker 1: some of the insights as it applied to custody issues
Speaker 1: and kids, and you know, that was the big thing,
Speaker 1: you know, because that goes to motive, I think, and
Speaker 1: we have to understand that. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are mistaken when they think about prosecution. Prosecution does
Speaker 1: not have proved motives that's not what the purpose of
Speaker 1: this is. However, it does go to getting a feel
Speaker 1: for what family dynamic was like of the familial environment.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's very significant, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: thrilled as we get about hearing people talk about forensics
Speaker 1: and getting down into the nuts and bolts of things.
Speaker 1: I don't think that it is as significant as you know,
Speaker 1: being able to get an peak into this world. In
Speaker 1: his cross defense, attorney Richard Nash tried to pin the
Speaker 1: fascination with The Walking Dead on Jake. He was the
Speaker 1: one who modeled his killings after the show's lead character,
Speaker 1: not George the man on child. And there was some
Speaker 1: discussion speaking of hair color. Jake had told you that
Speaker 1: I think he wanted to look like Norman Redis. Yes,
Speaker 1: and Norman Redis Is he the main character in the
Speaker 1: Walking Day, He's kind of one of the main characters
Speaker 1: of The Walking Dead. Yes, And Jake had a fascination
Speaker 1: with Norman. Yes, Okay, I saw you really give me
Speaker 1: a positive response to that. And you've watched The Walkie Gay, Yes,
Speaker 1: I have, And so your familiarity with the movie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you kill a zombie? They shoot him in
Speaker 1: the head. The jury also heard about the tattoos that Billy, George,
Speaker 1: and Jake got after the murders. Jake got one of
Speaker 1: flaming pistols on his upper arms. Billy and George's were
Speaker 1: a bit more problematic again, and Geanette after the homicides,
Speaker 1: you know, about a month and a half later or so,
Speaker 1: June to twenty seventeen, he and Jake and George went
Speaker 1: and they got tattoos. Billy's tattoo is a scorpion with
Speaker 1: eight notches on it, and the prosecution thinks that that
Speaker 1: holds some significance. We have eight victims in this case,
Speaker 1: and a scorpion, which can be fatal, is on his
Speaker 1: right finger, which could be his trigger finger if he's
Speaker 1: right handed, and he's got this tattoo with you know,
Speaker 1: signifying something that can be deadly on his hand. George,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, has something that's an eight ball
Speaker 1: inside a skeleton's mouth with some aces on the sides,
Speaker 1: you know, playing cards. Aces. I'm not you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a coincidence. I don't. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: prosecution feels like it's significant and it's relevant that the
Speaker 1: number eight is common in these tattoos, a scorpion with
Speaker 1: eight abdominal segments, a skull binding down on an eight
Speaker 1: ball eight mode instead. Some people see the correlation, others
Speaker 1: wonder why it's admissible. It's kind of strange because we,
Speaker 1: I guess the judge is letting the jury look at
Speaker 1: this and see if it's relevant. I mean, it's up
Speaker 1: to the jury to determine whether or not the tattoos
Speaker 1: are relevant. I'm not sure, you know, I could see
Speaker 1: the scorpion being relevant, possibly the eight ball in the
Speaker 1: skeleton's mouth. I think we just have to wait to
Speaker 1: see how their testimony plays out. Joseph Morgan is more dubious.
Speaker 1: I would have said that years ago the tattoos may
Speaker 1: have carried more weight. I think I'm recalling them my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, being for instance, in the Morgue,
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of cases where I had people
Speaker 1: who were legitimately folks that had worked as assassins in prison.
Speaker 1: They wanted him dying when they finally get on the
Speaker 1: outside and they have the tear drop tattoos. You know,
Speaker 1: you always knew that point somebody that had committed a
Speaker 1: homicide you had to chew put crosses on the hands
Speaker 1: that you know, there's little crosses with the little radiating
Speaker 1: lines that you know, you can tell somebody as a
Speaker 1: drug dealer or an arm stealer, or they're an assassin.
Speaker 1: They used to tell these tales. But you know the
Speaker 1: problem is people use tattoos now to try to create
Speaker 1: an image for themselves. Maybe you could get a tattoo
Speaker 1: expert to pop up on stand and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: based on the structure of this thing, this is generally
Speaker 1: associated with people that are, you know, involved in this
Speaker 1: type of behavior, particularly if you're talking about gangs and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But you know, you can say that all day long.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen some pretty horrific things. Images of
Speaker 1: these tattoos that people walk around in public with I
Speaker 1: don't make a killer. It just means that they've got
Speaker 1: an interest in this interesting art that they're willing to
Speaker 1: put on their body and display to the rest of
Speaker 1: the world. But that doesn't make you a perpetrator and
Speaker 1: a homicide. The jury also heard heart stirring testimony from
Speaker 1: Rita Newcombe, Angela Wagner's mother, and Jake and George's grandmother.
Speaker 1: Nwcombe declined video or audio recording of her testimony. Petite
Speaker 1: with Dirdy blondeire Nucomb is a devout Christian who wrestled
Speaker 1: with their daughter's actions after the murders Stephanie and Jeff.
Speaker 1: Rita wasn't heres when she testified about how she initially
Speaker 1: lied to investigators to protect her daughter and quote her
Speaker 1: grand babies, but then she soon came clean because of
Speaker 1: her faith in God, and of course once the Wagners
Speaker 1: became actual suspects, Steph. What I find interesting is that
Speaker 1: Rita Newcome falsely told agents with the Ohio BCI that
Speaker 1: she had signed these custody documents involving George and Jake's
Speaker 1: children as a notary public. Rita basically testified in court
Speaker 1: saying that Angela said to her, look, Mom, if you
Speaker 1: don't admit this, they're going to really hurt me and
Speaker 1: possibly even kill me. And that's a brutal spot to
Speaker 1: be And can you imagine your daughter is basically begging
Speaker 1: you not to turn her in, and then you come
Speaker 1: to find out that she's essentially bringing you into a
Speaker 1: murder investigation and leaving you under the bus. She continues
Speaker 1: to describe the worst days of her life were the
Speaker 1: eight days that she spent behind bars again. Forensic expert
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. I'll see that Rita being in the
Speaker 1: midst of this just titanic storm. There's part of me,
Speaker 1: if you can, if anybody can feel kind of sorry
Speaker 1: for anybody that's been associated with these horrible deeds. I
Speaker 1: think that you know, I would list probably more toward
Speaker 1: Rita newcome in this. Uh you know, she's involved in
Speaker 1: this with her child. She's born witness to everything Angela
Speaker 1: has ever been involved in. I think that most parents
Speaker 1: will try to do anything that they possibly could in
Speaker 1: order to help their child. I think early on that
Speaker 1: people assume that this was a broad ranging conspiracy, and
Speaker 1: immediately they associated Rita with it, that she was part
Speaker 1: and parcel. They almost had her sitting at the kitchen table. Now,
Speaker 1: I just I just don't see that that that was
Speaker 1: the case, you know, relative to to to these homicides.
Speaker 1: And if we are to believe that that Angela is
Speaker 1: the controlling person, you know, this man nigulative, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of Sungali like character that you know has swayed
Speaker 1: over the entire family and how things are going to
Speaker 1: be done. If Angela is that person, did Rita perceive
Speaker 1: her daughter has maybe potentially, you know, going to do
Speaker 1: harm to her, or she would have money to warm her.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes that all the more homs. We're
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Speaker 1: Rita Newcomb spoke extensively about her family's legacy of abuse
Speaker 1: again Long Crimes Ancheanette Levy. Rita Newcomb is somebody we've
Speaker 1: known about since the arrests were made in this case
Speaker 1: back in November of twenty eighteen, and Rita is Angela
Speaker 1: Wagner's mother. She claimed that Angela told her that you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you don't do this, they're going
Speaker 1: to hurt me. We never got a clarification on who
Speaker 1: they are that she said they will hurt me if
Speaker 1: you don't say you did this. She also talked about
Speaker 1: how you know, she had been married to Angela's father
Speaker 1: of course at Carter, and he was abusive to both
Speaker 1: of them, I mean physically abusive, and Angela had actually
Speaker 1: gone into the Air Force at eighteen she wanted to
Speaker 1: get away from you know, or bad and this whole thing.
Speaker 1: And we found out that Angela left the Air Force
Speaker 1: early allegedly because she was sexually assaulted, and it was
Speaker 1: never investigated or reported. According to Rita, I find it
Speaker 1: interesting given the fact that the motive for these murders
Speaker 1: allegedly was protecting me and the spear that the little
Speaker 1: girl might be molested. So it makes you wonder, is
Speaker 1: that were this concern about sexual assault or sexual abuse
Speaker 1: where it originated was with Angela's time in the Air Force.
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll find out as the case progresses.
Speaker 1: But she talked about not liking Billy Wagner. I would
Speaker 1: think that seeing a woman who's seventy plus sitting up
Speaker 1: there crying and reliving this and admitting to lying for
Speaker 1: her daughter, but I would think the jury would take
Speaker 1: that very seriously. But again, this is George's trial, not
Speaker 1: Angela's trial, but still it paints a picture. You know,
Speaker 1: it seems like Angelo Wagner has just been painted as
Speaker 1: the ultimate villain in this story, in this trial. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody says anything nice about Angela Wagner in this case.
Speaker 1: The jury also heard from two PCI forensics experts, one
Speaker 1: with special Agent Brian White, who searched the Wagner's property
Speaker 1: in June of twenty seventeen. He's now a lieutenant the
Speaker 1: Madison County Sheriff's Office in Central Ohio. Special Prosecutor Andrew
Speaker 1: Wilson questioned him on the stand, and you boltibly swear
Speaker 1: a refirm that the testimony you are about to give
Speaker 1: the true of the whole treence and nothing but the
Speaker 1: true w Thank you, honor, and a nice loud voice.
Speaker 1: Can you introduce yourself again to the journey. My name
Speaker 1: is Brian White. I'm a lieutenant with the Madison County
Speaker 1: sheerse Office. When you were out there searching that area
Speaker 1: of two sixty Peterson Road June fourteenth, June fifteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: did ultimately you find pieces of evidence that you collected
Speaker 1: and took into customer? Yes, we did and June fourteenth,
Speaker 1: June fifteenth, during that search, did you also have Matt
Speaker 1: White out there with you, who was from the lab. Yes,
Speaker 1: we did and explained what his role was or what
Speaker 1: he did that day. Whenever if we would find something
Speaker 1: that was firearms related through shifting, whether it be a
Speaker 1: casing or bullet or whatever, Matt would take a look
Speaker 1: at it and then he would put it in. He
Speaker 1: would basically separate them out and two different characteristics or
Speaker 1: calibers or whatever. Okay, I'm gonna hand you what's been
Speaker 1: marked for dentification purposes. I stick to give it ss live.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what's in? I stick to give
Speaker 1: it ss live. That's uh fired cartridge case two two
Speaker 1: three caliber collected June fourteenth and fifteen, twenty seventeen, two
Speaker 1: sixty Peterson Road. And it's got my name on it,
Speaker 1: my initials. And again, is there a two two three
Speaker 1: firearm listed on A two? Yes, there's the actors to
Speaker 1: sixty Peterson Road property, which was owned by Jake. It's
Speaker 1: thirteen miles from where the roads were executed. It was
Speaker 1: at this location that White recovered twenty two caliber shell
Speaker 1: casings that matched the ones found at the crime scene.
Speaker 1: The Wagners were in Alaska at this time. On the
Speaker 1: Peterson Road property, a second barn was mid construction, possibly
Speaker 1: the bc I suspected to cover up evidence again and Jeanette.
Speaker 1: In June to twenty seventeen, BCI, this was after the
Speaker 1: Wagners had moved to Alaska, went back to the Peterson
Speaker 1: Road property where the Wagners had lived they had sold
Speaker 1: it in May of twenty seventeen, a month prior, and
Speaker 1: Brian White, it was like the lead crime scene agent
Speaker 1: on this case, and he said that they went back
Speaker 1: there with ground penetrating radar just looking to see if
Speaker 1: there was anything buried underneath their under the ground of
Speaker 1: evidentiary value. I mean, at this point in time, they
Speaker 1: were still looking for murder weapons. The lead BCI agent,
Speaker 1: Ryan Scheier, said there was a new barn that was
Speaker 1: being built constructed on the Peterson Road property at the
Speaker 1: time of the homicides. Really, I mean part of the
Speaker 1: barn had been erected and it was under construction at
Speaker 1: the time of the homicides and after the homicides, and
Speaker 1: so BCI had gotten the new owners to text and
Speaker 1: talk with Jake about this, which stimulated some conversation if
Speaker 1: you would about it. It got George to call Angela.
Speaker 1: They discussed it, and Angela was very concerned about which
Speaker 1: barn they were searching, you know, which barne, She kept asking,
Speaker 1: So they were concerned about the property being searched. And
Speaker 1: George sounded like he was the one in charge, like
Speaker 1: he was the go between, you know, asking Jake, you know, hey, Jake,
Speaker 1: which barn is it? Because Angela wanted to know which barn.
Speaker 1: So it sounded like George was very much the boss.
Speaker 1: And in that conversation at least BCI criminal Intelligence analyst
Speaker 1: Julia Evislage also took the stay and she intercepted the
Speaker 1: Wagner's cell phone conversations and also monitored their social media activity.
Speaker 1: The Wagners and the Rodents had volleyed Facebook blocks back
Speaker 1: and forth, revealing potential grudges, focusing on Hannah Rodin's Facebook
Speaker 1: and as previously mentioned, she was not currently friends with
Speaker 1: Jeeke Wagner. From prior posts or messaging, they were at
Speaker 1: one point friends, but they weren't at the time of
Speaker 1: the return. She had blocked George Wagner's profile and Angela
Speaker 1: had blocked Hannah Rodin's there was an assortment of relationships
Speaker 1: between Tabitha's profiles, as there were a number of them,
Speaker 1: but Hannah Rodin and Tabitha's most recent account were friends
Speaker 1: at the time of the return. But in a world
Speaker 1: where people block each other routinely online, it's hard to
Speaker 1: know how much weight to give someone pressing a button
Speaker 1: on Facebook and Jeanette, I guess if there's some big
Speaker 1: feud going on and the families are warring with one another,
Speaker 1: of course you would have somebody blocked. Or maybe you
Speaker 1: just blocked somebody because you don't want them snooping on
Speaker 1: your Facebook, or maybe you just don't want that person
Speaker 1: in your business. I don't know. I thought it was
Speaker 1: strange that George who claimed Frankie was a good friend,
Speaker 1: or at least his attorneys have claimed that Frankie was
Speaker 1: a good friend, that he had Frankie blocked, he had
Speaker 1: Hannah May blocked. You know, all these different people had
Speaker 1: each other blocked. Is it indicative of somebody carrying out
Speaker 1: out a homicide. I guess it could be, But as
Speaker 1: far as like who who did what, or who planned
Speaker 1: and covered up, I mean, I'm not sure it's that relevant.
Speaker 1: Julia E. A Slage also played the court of fascinating
Speaker 1: intercept of George Wagner on the family's journey to Alaska.
Speaker 1: I thought Julia of A Slage's testimony was interesting when
Speaker 1: we got to hear George Wagner. You know, it was
Speaker 1: really the first time we'd or one of the first times,
Speaker 1: i should say that we heard his voice, and we
Speaker 1: heard that he can become quite agitated. It was after
Speaker 1: the family had been stopped at the border in Montana
Speaker 1: and interrogated, and he was putting his son in the car,
Speaker 1: and he was telling his little boy, who was a
Speaker 1: toddler at this time, those people back there that fed
Speaker 1: you and played with you their liars. They're bad people.
Speaker 1: They want to want to kill us. And the little
Speaker 1: boy was saying no, no, no, you know, and things
Speaker 1: like that. And I'm just thinking to myself as I'm
Speaker 1: listening to this, this is a grown man talking to
Speaker 1: his child who's a toddler and telling this child that
Speaker 1: the people they just saw at the border were trying
Speaker 1: to kill them. And I just found that to be
Speaker 1: so strange and unbelievable. I couldn't believe that someone would
Speaker 1: talk to a toddler like that. We're going to take
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Speaker 1: Carol Fisher and I seen a podcast called The girl Friends.
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now,
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Speaker 1: Everyone has their limits. I'd never confronted a situation like this.
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Speaker 1: to subside and share. As the round of testimony wrapped up,
Speaker 1: some observers thought there was still an underwhelming amount of
Speaker 1: evidence against George Wagner. You know, a lot of times
Speaker 1: in this case, it feels like they're doing more to
Speaker 1: convict Jake and Angela than they are George. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: George is not the main player in this case. The
Speaker 1: jury really just has to determine whether there's enough evidence
Speaker 1: to show that George was part of a conspiracy to
Speaker 1: commit and cover up murders. Eight murders. So that's really
Speaker 1: what they have to prove. Yeah, we all want to know,
Speaker 1: like the details. The only thing I can see is
Speaker 1: that they somehow had it in their minds and it
Speaker 1: almost seemed like a circular thing that they were all
Speaker 1: feeding off each other, thinking they were the only ones
Speaker 1: who could raise these kids in the way they wanted
Speaker 1: them raised, whatever way that was. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: sounds like it was a very insular life. Was a
Speaker 1: lot of yelling too. More on that next time. For
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