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Speaker 1: I've really had enough with this conversation around trading coaches

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Speaker 1: don't think he's that good. I mean, he was blowing

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Speaker 1: timeouts in that game against the Eagles, which could have

428
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Speaker 1: easily bit him in the ass. Then he's like asking

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Speaker 1: for the timeout back, which maybe he just you know,

430
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Speaker 1: any one of us would do the same, or maybe

431
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Speaker 1: he leaves that he should get the time out back.

432
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Speaker 1: So I think there are outdated qualities to him, though

433
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Speaker 1: I still think relative to the rest of the NFL,

434
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: he's probably better. But yeah, defensive scheme wise, they haven't

435
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Speaker 1: been good on defense in forever and that's his baby,

436
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: so and they invest a lot into that side of

437
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: the ball. And I think philosophically, it's pretty clear what

438
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: he wants to do on offensive, Run the ball, run

439
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: the ball, run the ball, take some deep shots. But

440
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he's just like, oh, open

441
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Speaker 1: the offense, sling that pill around. That's not really his

442
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, mo o. But I have a different view

443
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Speaker 1: on the Bears for this upcoming draft. I believe they

444
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: could find more value in trading the number one overall

445
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: pick and dropping down a few spots to get Marvin

446
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Speaker 1: Harrison and possibly some offensive linemen from a team desperate

447
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: for Kleb. They will also have their top ten pick

448
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Speaker 1: to get more linemen to protect Fields. They already have

449
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Speaker 1: a quarterback in Justin that seems to not have hit

450
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Speaker 1: his ceiling. With an offensive coach, I believe they could

451
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Speaker 1: become a top team in the NFC North. Justin Fields

452
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: is not an accurate passer. Listen, I had the guy

453
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Speaker 1: pegged as my number two quarterback in that draft, and

454
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Speaker 1: he probably he definitely is the second best of that group.

455
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Speaker 1: But you know, and Trevor Lawrence is not playing great

456
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: right now. But you can't build around a guy going

457
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Speaker 1: into his fourth year whose accuracy is a major issue.

458
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: He's not an accurate player. So when you're not accurate

459
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Speaker 1: and his contract's running up just to get a couple

460
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Speaker 1: more splash plays, that's not a sustainable way to play.

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Speaker 1: That's why Cousins started becoming, let's face it, a really

462
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Speaker 1: really good player as he got older. He's a very

463
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Speaker 1: accurate passer. Accuracy really really matters. And Caleb, Listen, there's

464
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Speaker 1: no guarantee he's going to be any good, but He's

465
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Speaker 1: definitely way more accurate than justin Fields, and he brings

466
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Speaker 1: the athleticism and movement skills. He's not as fast as Fields,

467
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Speaker 1: But I you can't keep Fields. I just don't believe

468
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Speaker 1: because if you roll it back, and even if he's

469
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Speaker 1: five ten percent better than this year, what are you

470
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Speaker 1: gonna do. You got a great opportunity because of this trade.

471
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Speaker 1: I think you cash in the chips. I believe that. Now.

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Speaker 1: If if I thought Fields was better, I would understand

473
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Speaker 1: where you're coming from and I would agree. But I listen,

474
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's good enough to build around, especially

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Speaker 1: when you factor in his contract and like you're a

476
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Speaker 1: year away from if you keep him, Like, what what's

477
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Speaker 1: he worth? I know you don't believe in Baker? But

478
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Speaker 1: what would it take for Baker to get a long

479
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Speaker 1: term contract extension? Making the playoffs doesn't seem enough considering

480
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: their division. But if by some miracle they defeat the

481
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Speaker 1: Cowboys or the Eagles in the first round, doesn't it

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Speaker 1: warrant a three or five year contract? Uh? Maybe get

483
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Speaker 1: like a two year, you know, forty million dollar deal

484
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Speaker 1: guarantee him like twenty five something like that. I could

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Speaker 1: see that on the table because I think his numbers

486
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Speaker 1: are pretty similar to Tom last year. They clearly like

487
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Speaker 1: him a lot, but I've watched him a lot this season.

488
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: It's like he's had some rough games. Now you win

489
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: a playoff game, you win the division, you beat the Saints.

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Speaker 1: I think he definitely. I think right now he's getting

491
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Speaker 1: one year fifteen twelve million dollars, which just view it

492
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Speaker 1: like yourself. If you're making one hundred grand right now,

493
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Speaker 1: and you do well and they triple your salary and

494
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you make three hundred or three

495
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand, fuck huge win. Well, he's making

496
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Speaker 1: four million dollars this year, so it's like, hey, you're

497
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Speaker 1: way better than we thought. Here's one year, thirteen million dollars.

498
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Speaker 1: That's three x what he was just here's fifteen million dollars, right,

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Speaker 1: that's five x. Or excuse me, twelve million dollars be

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Speaker 1: four x. So imagine being fifty making fifty grand and

501
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Speaker 1: getting off for two hundred grand. That's the equivalent. So

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Speaker 1: that's a huge, huge pay raise relative to a guy

503
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Speaker 1: like I can't get bigger. Mayfield twenty five thirty million

504
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: dollars a year. I couldn't. But to me, definitely, he's

505
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Speaker 1: earned twelve fifteen million dollars, which, like I said, for him,

506
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Speaker 1: would be a pretty pretty big financial win, especially a

507
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Speaker 1: guy that I mean coward. Thought he should retire before

508
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: the season, which I thought was crazy because his value.

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Speaker 1: As you know, one day he might be like the

510
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Speaker 1: next Herbstreet or Joel Clatt. You can fail in the pro.

511
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Speaker 1: No one cares. Like I've never seen Herbs Street or

512
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: Clatt throw an NFL pass. No one gives a fuck.

513
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Speaker 1: Matt Lioner is fantastic on college football. He was an

514
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Speaker 1: NFL bust. It does not matter. It does not matter.

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Speaker 1: And Baker has actually had not only had a relatively

516
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Speaker 1: successful career now relatively the number one pick not ideal,

517
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Speaker 1: but he's he definitely is resurrecting his career. Okay, question

518
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: about the Bengals, Clearly their defense is much worse than

519
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: has been the first few years, but the majority of

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00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: their funds are going to be tied up on offense

521
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: for the next five Higgins is set to be a

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Speaker 1: free agent this offseason, and I was wondering what you

523
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Speaker 1: think the front office should do. Would you pay Tea

524
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: and then Jamar or would you invest a little in defense.

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Speaker 1: I think T Higgins will not be on the Cincinnati

526
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Speaker 1: Bengals next year because I don't think you can't afford

527
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Speaker 1: to pay Jamar Chase as what twenty five to thirty

528
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Speaker 1: million dollar player? What's T Higgins eighteen twenty. I don't

529
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Speaker 1: believe you can pay two wide receivers that much money.

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Speaker 1: It's the conendrum. The forty nine ers are in. Deebo

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Speaker 1: Samuel makes a ton. I think he makes like twenty

532
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Speaker 1: five million dollars a year. Well, Brandon Ayuk's do a

533
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Speaker 1: contract this offseason, and listen, he's not a thirty million

534
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Speaker 1: dollar guy, but he definitely is not a twelve million

535
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Speaker 1: dollar guy. It's hard to have that much invested into

536
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. So I think T Higgins could

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Speaker 1: be traded. Honestly, I think Brandon Ayuk is crazy as

538
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: it sounds, could be traded too. Now that one's a

539
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: little different, But uh, I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think these are discussions because of how much they cost.

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Speaker 1: If T Higgins, Brandon a you guys like that play

542
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: tight end or linebacker, be a no brainer. They don't

543
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: cost as much. But when you start talking about number

544
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Speaker 1: two wide receivers, and I gotta pay my number two

545
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty one million dollars a year. That's a lot, man,

546
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. I mean that's like a

547
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Speaker 1: starting guard, a starting detackle, a starting linebacker, and starting

548
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Speaker 1: slot corner. I mean it adds up pretty fast, big

549
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: Dolphins fan, and post injuries, Tua absolutely cannot do this. Oh,

550
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: because you have enlightened me on the ability to bail

551
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: out your play call. Tua absolutely cannot do it. The

552
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: whole operation is basically on McDaniels shoulders. My biggest fear

553
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: is we give to a shit ton of money and

554
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: we will be screwed when we can't pay for weapons.

555
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: We are so eft if we move off him because

556
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: he clearly has talent, I prefer the rookie quarterback contract

557
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: model because I'll have dementia by the time they find

558
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: another Marino. What should the Dolphins do? Well? This is

559
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: two is what year? This is his fourth. It's tough

560
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: and this is why back to fields now. Obviously he's

561
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: been much more successful than fields. When you feel you

562
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: have Burrow mahomes Allen a guy that's just a no brainer.

563
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: Even Lamar like it's so much easier when you're like

564
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Speaker 1: kind of on the fence. Like if you're kind of

565
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Speaker 1: on the fence of Bearinger, probably don't get engaged. Like

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Speaker 1: if you're kind of on the fence about taking a

567
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: job and you have a good job, like, probably don't

568
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Speaker 1: do it to me. Kind of on the fence on

569
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Speaker 1: big decisions. I do think you gotta be careful. I

570
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: do think because you're on the fence for a reason. Now,

571
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean people can't improve. It doesn't mean your

572
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: mind can't change. But I have I don't know. I

573
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Speaker 1: might just play it out now. The problem is I

574
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: don't know his contract up, but the fifth year option

575
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: is obviously very expensive. It all hit your cap, like

576
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Speaker 1: the franchise tag. So ideally you extend them and you

577
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Speaker 1: make a lower cap number. But it's not like he's

578
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Speaker 1: taken thirty million dollars a year, Like he's gonna want

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Speaker 1: forty five million dollars a year. And can you pay

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Speaker 1: to a tongue by lower forty five million dollars a year?

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can. If he beats the Cowboys and the Bills,

582
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Speaker 1: you could argue this stretch is pretty fucking big, Mike.

583
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Speaker 1: It's big boy football. Now, Like, I know, you beat

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Speaker 1: the Robert Sola Jets, who you know have like averaged

585
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: one touchdown a game for thirteen games. But okay, playing

586
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys and then we got the Ravens and then

587
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: we got Buffalo and then we got the playoffs. Strapping

588
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: that chin Straple'll see what you got, homie. This this

589
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: is a very very very big stretch for two a

590
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: tongue by when it comes to money. He wins two

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00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: of the next three, lights up the Ravens, lights up,

592
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: the Bills wins a playoff game. Yeah, what are you

593
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: gonna do it it gets ugly, I don't know. You

594
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: tell me. I wouldn't feel comfortable if it gets ugly.

595
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: How legitimate are coaching staff positions? We understand the head coach,

596
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: DC and OC are crucial, but what about ancillary positions.

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00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: What comes to mind is Matt Patricia getting hired back

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Speaker 1: as a football advisor to the Patriots after his destroy

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00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: his Detroit spint. Well, I think when you get those

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Speaker 1: like analysts or senior ass you know, assistant, it's unless

601
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: you are around the coaching staff, it's hard to define

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00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: what they do. Your old line and D line coach

603
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: are every bit as big as coordinators. Your offensive line

604
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: and defensive line coach can like make your team, and

605
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: usually the offensive line coach plays an enormous role in

606
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: the game plan when it comes to the run game,

607
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: so they just play a huge and even the pass

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00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: game when it comes to protections. Your offensive line coach

609
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: is typically one of the highest paid guys on the team,

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Speaker 1: Like your offensive line coach in the NFL makes seven

611
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: figures if he's worth the salt, and your defensive line coaches,

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00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: if he's good, is worth a lot of money. And

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00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: the good thing, most defensive line coaches don't end up

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Speaker 1: becoming coordinators because the coordinator is really about the secondary

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00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: and definitely the back seven. That's why a lot of

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00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: linebacker coaches and dB coaches become coordinators. It's so different

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00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: why a lot of quarterback coaches ultimately become coordinators, because

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00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of the way you view it's about the

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Speaker 1: passing game. But to me, the line coaches really matter

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Speaker 1: a lot. Now obviously, if you have a good running

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Speaker 1: back coach, a good wide receiver coach, a good linebacker coach. Typically,

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Speaker 1: like why I say, do Staley is one of the

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Speaker 1: better position coaches in the league, because I've seen it,

624
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: like Duce Staley's a star. You know, Keith Williams, the

625
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: wide receiver coach in Baltimore stud Baller, badass. I mean,

626
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: he's he's awesome, but I've been around him right, and

627
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: Jim Washburn and now Chris Casuric with the Raiders, or

628
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: excuse me, the forty nine Ers their D line coach.

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Speaker 1: He's highest paid D line coach in the league for

630
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Speaker 1: a reason. He's really good at his job. And if

631
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Speaker 1: you get a great D line coach, you get a

632
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: good offensive line coach, you never let him go. So

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Speaker 1: why Jeff Stotlin has been with the Eagles for a

634
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Speaker 1: decade Because it doesn't matter who comes in. Jeffrey Learric goes,

635
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna offer you this job, but Jeff Statlin's gonna

636
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Speaker 1: be your offensive line coach. And they pay Jeff Stotlin

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Speaker 1: a lot of money to say, yeah, I'll stay with

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Speaker 1: this guy. So when it comes to those like senior advisors,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it all depends. Some of them run projects,

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Speaker 1: some of them self scout, I would say everyone's a

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Speaker 1: little different. What are your thoughts of the if the

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Speaker 1: Chargers traded Herbert to the Bears for the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: I just it's not an option. It's not an option.

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00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Under no circumstances would they do that. Now, I guess

645
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Speaker 1: for business reasons, and this is what he said, Midwest

646
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Speaker 1: Ethos guy and the Chargers take Caleb, who's already an

647
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: LA guy. Then the Spanos fan can spend on a coach.

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00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: I guess you could justify it from a business standpoint,

649
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: though it gets complicated. When you give the big contracts,

650
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: you pay huge signing bonuses, it hurts your dead cap.

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00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: If Herbert wasn't under contract yet, I guess I could

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00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: see that, and I would one hundred percent. I would

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Speaker 1: trade you the number one pick. If I was the

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00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: Barrats for Justin Herbert, and if he wasn't extended, to

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00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: give him a huge extension, that would be the easiest

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00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: trade in NFL history. I don't know. You know, it's

657
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: easy to talk about and it's a fun conversation. There's

658
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: no guarantee anyone's ever gonna be good coming out of

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Speaker 1: the draft, no guarantee zero. I mean we see it

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00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: over and over. High picks at any position don't live

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00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: up to it. And then the dude in the twenties

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00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: is like TJ Watt. It happens all the fucking time,

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Speaker 1: So I I don't think even if it was available,

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Speaker 1: you could do it. Okay, last question in regards to

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Speaker 1: the full time part time referee diiscussion, I think the

666
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: question what would they do during the week is a

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00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: weak excuse. Collaborative rule interpretation, peer review, game calling, game simulations,

668
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: and upcoming game information review are just a few options

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Speaker 1: right off the top of my head. If the NFL

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Speaker 1: can hire people to pick through games for non penalized

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00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: hits that didn't result in an injury of players, the

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00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: NFL can pay the refs to be full time. If

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Speaker 1: making rest full time employees resulted in ten less blown calls,

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00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: it would be more than worth it. I completely disagree.

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00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it would change the shitty calls at all.

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00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: I think it would have the level of improvement. Let's

677
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: just assume there would be would be minute, it would

678
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: be small. I do not think it would be like,

679
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't think there would be some major gap and

680
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: like they used to be thirty percent good and now

681
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: they're seventy five percent good. I'm calling bullshit on that. Now.

682
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: I think the NFL is more just about the money,

683
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: like why am I paying you full time? Like I said,

684
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: what are you doing all week? Because to me for

685
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: you to pay me full time, meaning I can't have

686
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: another job and I don't have the ref's salary. But

687
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: let's just say they're paid two hundred and fifty three

688
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: hundred grand. I can also have another job to double

689
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: that income or do whatever I want. I mean times

690
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: the most valuable thing any of us have. What am

691
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: I gonna have to pay eight hundred grand? And some

692
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: don't think the NFL is like for what, Like what's

693
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: the point? Referees have always been bad, Like we think

694
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: it's worse, it's the same. It's been shitty forever. I

695
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: think the slow motion the reviews make it feel worse.

696
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: It's always been bad. We're talking about human beings. So

697
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: as we gamble on this, like listen, I've been mad

698
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: gambling on games for twenty years, it feels worse just

699
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: because everything feels worse at the time, Like this is

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00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: the craziest election we're ever gonna happen. No, we've had

701
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: crazy elections before and we'll have crazy ones again, you know,

702
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: but it always feel like this is the craziest time

703
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: in human history. Now, we've we've had some crazy fucking times.

704
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: Pick up a history book. It doesn't repeat itself, but

705
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: a damn sure rhymes, I promise you like we've had

706
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: crazy times in history. My dad just tell me that

707
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: all the time, and it's so true. Everyone's oh my god. No,

708
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: it's like look back. You know, if you were Roger

709
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: Goodell's position, paying the refs to be full time cost

710
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: you an extra one hundred and twenty eight per playoff game,

711
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: No way it would. It's not about the cost. It's

712
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: about my return on investment. What's the point. I don't

713
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: understand the point simulated games? They probably already do that

714
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: on the side. What the fuck does that even mean?

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00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: I don't you act like these people just like don't

716
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: even think about football Monday through Friday. They do stuff.

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00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: I've seen these referees go to practice in training camp.

718
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: I don't think you're like improving your skills. This isn't

719
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: like going to the driving range in golf, and the

720
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: more you do it, the more you go to the

721
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: putting green. It's not the same. The ROI on this one,

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Speaker 1: I don't think would look like the way you are

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00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: describing I really don't. So you could argue it's not

724
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: even about the money, it's about what's the point because

725
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: in theory this feels like a classroom, like, well, in

726
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: theory they would improve. Now I think in theory doesn't

727
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: equal reality, it really doesn't. I mean, I've seen these

728
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: guys at training camp make calls and everyone's screaming at

729
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: him in training camp, like it's just it's hard when

730
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: you have Justin Jefferson running full speed at whoever you know,

731
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: Tarvarius Ward or Darius Slagh like it's a bang bang play,

732
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: it's hard to figure out. It's so much easier for

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Speaker 1: us sitting on the couch eating flavored pretzels and drinking

734
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: a gatorade to be like, ah, fucking idiot and listen,

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Speaker 1: I do it all the time. I love doing it.

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Speaker 1: I love talking about the refs that are now making

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Speaker 1: half a million dollars that come on my television screen

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Speaker 1: that I don't want to hear from that always tell

739
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: me something is going to be challenged and it's going

740
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: to be overturned, and then it doesn't get overturned. They're

741
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: never right yet they're always on television. But I just

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Speaker 1: I'm going to disagree with you hard that it would

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Speaker 1: improve much because I really just don't believe it. The

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Speaker 1: volume