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Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here

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Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing, and we are going to take the

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Speaker 1: deep look into this Ravens Bills Divisional playoff matchup, the

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Speaker 1: game that everybody can't wait to see this weekend. Garrett,

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Speaker 1: this is a game that the Ravens are favored to win, actually,

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Speaker 1: and which I think some people are surprised by. Some

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Speaker 1: people are not. Of course, believe in the Ravens. We're

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Speaker 1: not surprised that we're gonna win. But you know, you're

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Speaker 1: going to a place where the Bills haven't lost all

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Speaker 1: season long, They're unfeated at home, and yet the Ravens

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Speaker 1: really waxed the Bills earlier this season. How do you

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Speaker 1: kind of look at at this game and how who's favored?

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Speaker 2: Well, from a favorite standpoint, the Bill's open as the favorites,

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Speaker 2: and then it shifted to the Ravens pretty quickly. So

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Speaker 2: initially it was the Bills, but then clearly Vegas was like,

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Speaker 2: all right, money's coming in on the raven and so

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Speaker 2: then it shifted in the Ravens direction. Still a close

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Speaker 2: game from a spread standpoint, but you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that the way I look at it is that it's

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Speaker 2: going to be close, and I know that's probably the

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Speaker 2: way you feel about most playoff games.

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Speaker 1: That's what Vegas things do exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think that, like I think that it's not

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Speaker 2: it's last week. If you go back to last week,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens were double digit favorites, and so like that's

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Speaker 2: one of those situations where like they're the heavy favorites

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Speaker 2: in this game. This one's really close. It's it's been

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Speaker 2: both ways. Both teams been favored since the game was announced,

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Speaker 2: and the Ravens are right now, and so I think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a close game. I don't really

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Speaker 2: put too much, I guess stock into like who's favored

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Speaker 2: in this game, considering it so close. It's not a

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Speaker 2: drastic difference, certainly in comparison to what it was last week.

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Speaker 2: But I guess it's like it's good in a sense

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Speaker 2: that it's like, okay, the from an objective standpoint, Vegas

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Speaker 2: feels like the Ravens are the better team. But I

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Speaker 2: also I just don't think that the favorite aspect is

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Speaker 2: gonna be something that's either a rallying cry. I don't

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Speaker 2: think the Bills are sitting there saying like mans a guest.

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Speaker 1: I think that when the picks come out for this game,

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a fairly even.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly like it's a close It's a close game

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Speaker 2: from a spread standpoint. I think from an analyst standpoint,

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Speaker 2: and everyone picking the team is going to be pretty

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Speaker 2: evenly split. So I don't think either team can sit

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Speaker 2: here and claim, like, man, everybody's out to get us.

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Speaker 3: The Bills are going to win.

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Speaker 1: The Bills are gonna say that, They're gonna claim that

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be like we're underdogs at home with the

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Speaker 1: They're probably gonna have that conversation this week in meetings

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Speaker 1: whatever out sure, And I don't think that has does

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Speaker 1: that happening bearing in the game, No, probably not. You know,

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Speaker 1: as soon as ball kicks off, all that stuff kind

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Speaker 1: of goes out the window until you hear about it postgame,

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Speaker 1: you know, when one team wins and then they cite

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Speaker 1: all that stuff as if it mattered out. You know,

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Speaker 1: all I can say is both these teams are gonna

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Speaker 1: be highly motivated. The Ravens are extremely highly motivated to

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Speaker 1: get back to the SC Championship where they fell last year,

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Speaker 1: and beyond and I guess storylines, all that, all the

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Speaker 1: I get the sense being around this team this week

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Speaker 1: They're excited. They are very excited for this game.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there's too many guys in the

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Speaker 2: narrative of this is the big game of the weekend,

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Speaker 2: this is the top two quarterbacks. I think some guys might.

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Speaker 2: I thought Marlin Hmfrey made the point that he referenced it.

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Speaker 2: He referenced it and said, like, I'd be lying if

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Speaker 2: I didn't say that that is significant, and also that

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Speaker 2: like this is kind of a who decides the MVP game,

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Speaker 2: and they want their guy to to be on the top.

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Speaker 2: On top of that, even though it doesn't actually matter

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Speaker 2: in the in the actual MVP voting, but just in

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Speaker 2: the court of public opinion, this is one of those

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Speaker 2: games that can help decide that debate. And so Marlin

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Speaker 2: want to win it for Lamar, not just this game,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I think that that even

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Speaker 1: that he's been really at the top of the game

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Speaker 1: for multiple seasons and he's been knocking on the door

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Speaker 1: You want to see him get that final exclamation point,

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Speaker 1: you know, to prove him wrong. And I think he's

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Speaker 1: so I think that, yeah, that exists definitely in the

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Speaker 2: And I think, do you think the Bills are saying

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Speaker 2: are having that same conversation around Josh Allen, who's had

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Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. Bill's fans definitely feel like Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen has been awesome and deserves to get to the

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Speaker 1: hasn't gotten his individual you know, plaudits as much as

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Speaker 1: he should have. That's why they've been thumping that MVP

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Speaker 1: like that this debate has been as hot as it

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Speaker 1: be honest, like even part of me the Ravens going

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Speaker 1: if the Ravens lose this game, but like it it's

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Speaker 1: not as bad as losing to the Chiefs, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it's it's kind of I think

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Speaker 1: both teams, both fan bases, and both quarterbacks are easy

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Speaker 2: Know that we've talked a little bit about this over

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Speaker 2: go crazy with the twenty twelve comparisons because it's that's fun.

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Speaker 1: I love them.

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Speaker 2: It's fun, but there's also a long way to go

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Speaker 3: Part, when I go back to the twenty twelve.

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Speaker 3: It was his last ride, and.

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Speaker 2: I truly believe I don't think that team wins the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl without the whole conversation and narrative around ray

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Speaker 2: I think that that had a galvvizing effect on the team.

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Speaker 2: It brought everybody together. You were kind of you were

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Speaker 2: playing for something that was bigger than yourself to a

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Speaker 2: think that there is a similar sense with this team

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Speaker 2: and wanting to win it for Lamar, and again, everybody

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Speaker 2: I get similar vibes to that with this team.

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Speaker 3: Will it happen, We'll see.

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Speaker 2: But I think that like that, competing and playing for

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Speaker 2: that is a real thing on the team in my mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. Lamar has many more rides

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Speaker 1: to go on. Yes it's his last one, that's the friend.

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Speaker 2: So if you for these two teams, they obviously played

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Speaker 2: earlier this year Week four, Ravens won that game thirty

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Speaker 2: Ravens are a different team, They've grown. Both teams have grown.

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Speaker 2: I think both teams are better. John Harball made that point,

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Speaker 2: stock did you put in the game from week four?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I put some? I put some. I think that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, you know, they set the tone on the

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Speaker 1: that's the recipe and we saw it against the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's they didn't do it well enough

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Speaker 1: But they hit some other ones in that game too,

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Speaker 1: And so I think that, uh, you know, how much

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Speaker 1: big plays. Can they continue that? They got after the

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Speaker 1: Ravens got after Josh Allen a lot in that first game.

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Speaker 1: Can they continue that? So to answer your question, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think there are I think that game matters, don't

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Speaker 1: the window, and I know they're better, and they had

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Speaker 1: have Mari Cooper they traded for and Mary Cooper's a

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Speaker 2: I think it, but I'm I think it matters lesson

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Speaker 2: it sounds like you do to some degree, I throw

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Speaker 3: And I just think.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens are really good at that. Like, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: But I think that that game was an indication of

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Speaker 2: And the matchup problem that you're talking about, which we

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Speaker 2: And Shats pointed out the big issue here is runs.

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Speaker 1: And the question is the Bills know that too. They're

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Speaker 2: Where if you had told me in that game, hey,

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Speaker 1: Ye you got to get some stops defensively, of course.

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Speaker 3: I know this, like I'm this is my official prediction here.

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Speaker 2: But as we're talking about like this, this back and

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Speaker 3: Like that's just my gut tells me that.

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Speaker 3: So I know all that, but.

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Speaker 2: Like this, this is the Hollywood matchup, this is the

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Speaker 3: It feels that way to me.

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Speaker 2: It kind of feels a little bit like the Allen

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Speaker 2: of think that we're headed more in that direction, which

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Speaker 3: Better than not gonna give up those plays.

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Speaker 2: But I just feel like we're headed towards that because

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it feels that way, because these quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: his cold weather games he's played, well, you know it

438
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Speaker 1: hasn't seemingly affected him too much. But which team do

439
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Speaker 1: you think the cold weather favors more? Because on one hand,

440
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Speaker 1: here's the Bills who play in it all the time,

441
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Speaker 1: and you have Josh Allen and everything, Versus here's Lamar

442
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Speaker 1: and the Ravens running game and Derrick Henry, who the

443
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Speaker 1: thought of tackling that guy in freezing temperatures is a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: So who do you think a cold weather game like

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Speaker 1: what we're going to get Sunday favors.

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Speaker 2: My honest answer, as I continue, and I've been refreshing

447
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Speaker 2: the weather report right before we started, you and I

448
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Speaker 2: were both refreshing the weather report on a different app

449
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Speaker 2: to see compare contrast here.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna affect me a lot.

451
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Speaker 2: I am loaded up with gear to try to make

452
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Speaker 2: sure that I don't freeze out there during this game,

453
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Speaker 2: so I am very much prepared for it. My honest

454
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Speaker 2: take though from a play from a game standpoint is

455
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Speaker 2: I don't think the weather will end up being that

456
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Speaker 2: big of a factor in this game, and we're all

457
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Speaker 2: talking about it and discussing it. And the Ravens are

458
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Speaker 2: making the indoor field house as cold as possible this

459
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Speaker 2: week by opening up all the doors, and so they're

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Speaker 2: trying to make to prepare for it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that just really eats at my soul

462
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Speaker 1: as like a dad and homeowner, you know, like you

463
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Speaker 1: leave the door open. I'm constantly all my children to

464
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Speaker 1: close the front door. You're heating the outside. We're just

465
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Speaker 1: hearing owings mills. We're just warming up the rest of

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Speaker 1: owings mills.

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Speaker 2: Well I think they Yeah, they shut off the ac

468
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Speaker 2: in there or the heat in there, saving crankin.

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Speaker 1: See in my house, right we got the heat crank in, doors,

470
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Speaker 1: windows open for no parent reason.

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Speaker 3: You're so cheap. Probably keep the house. What's sixty four

472
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Speaker 3: sixty three?

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Speaker 1: I wish that would be my desire.

474
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Speaker 3: I just don't want to switch your grab a blanket.

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Speaker 2: But so I think that, like there's all this talk

476
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Speaker 2: about the weather, and I get it, But when I

477
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Speaker 2: look closer to the forecast, is not that windy, and

478
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Speaker 2: there may be a little bit of snow it sounds like,

479
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Speaker 2: but not much.

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Speaker 1: And so we're not talking about a snow game.

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Speaker 2: It's not a snow game, and it's not a crazy

482
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Speaker 2: win game like the Ravens had back in twenty twenty. Yeah,

483
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Speaker 2: it's a cold game, and I don't think that that

484
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Speaker 2: is really going to end up having a big impact

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Speaker 2: on the game. The Ravens have played in cold weather

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Speaker 2: now for a few weeks and they've been fine. And

487
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Speaker 2: this isn't like the Ravens are coming from la or

488
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Speaker 2: Miami and they're like never been in this type of weather.

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Speaker 3: They've been playing in this and living in this. It's

490
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Speaker 3: been cold here. There's snow on the ground here for

491
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Speaker 3: two weeks.

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Speaker 2: So I just like, I don't think the weather actually

493
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Speaker 2: is going to really matter in this game.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I think those kind of temperatures just lend themselves

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Speaker 1: to more running, running the ball more, you know, And

496
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Speaker 1: but I feel like the Ravens are going to run

497
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Speaker 1: the ball a lot anyway. Yeah, So I don't know

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Speaker 1: that it changes the calculation all that much. You know, obviously,

499
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Speaker 1: it makes like ball handling things, you know, you have

500
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Speaker 1: to be extra focused on not fumbling. The Ravens do

501
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Speaker 1: a lot of the RPO kind of things, you know,

502
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Speaker 1: Lamar and Derek Henry. That's what killed the Steelers was

503
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: all those run pass options and quarterback keepers and all

504
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Speaker 1: the fakes. So you have to be really careful with

505
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Speaker 1: that when when the ball's that cold and your hands

506
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Speaker 1: are that cold. And Lamar Jackson said he don't wear gloves.

507
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Speaker 1: He tried it once and practice wearing gloves and couldn't throw.

508
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Speaker 1: And he was like, nah, I'm not good at this.

509
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Speaker 1: I can't do it. You know, all credit to Teddy

510
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Speaker 1: two Gloves, Teddy Bridgewater, but that's not for me.

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Speaker 2: Lamar at one time did wear a left handed glove

512
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Speaker 2: in a game in Buffalo, and he actually wore sleeves.

513
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Speaker 3: Is going back a few years.

514
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Speaker 1: Now, is that twenty nineteen?

515
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and.

516
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Speaker 2: He wore he wore sleeves in that game in the

517
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Speaker 2: first half and then took the sleeves off in the

518
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Speaker 2: second half. And he really has never worn sleeves. Yeah,

519
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't expect him to wear sleeves. See,

520
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Speaker 2: he hasn't, even in these cold weather games. But he

521
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Speaker 2: did wear a left handed glove in that game. He

522
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Speaker 2: honestly was not very good in the first half of

523
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Speaker 2: that game when he had the glove and the sleeves,

524
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Speaker 2: and so he took the sleeves off, took the glove off,

525
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Speaker 2: and I'm guessing that's how he's proba going to play

526
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Speaker 2: this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that guys will be around the heaters

528
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Speaker 1: for as long as they can, on the sideline and

529
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Speaker 1: all that, and you know, Lamar will keep that coat on,

530
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: that heavy coat for as long as he possibly can.

531
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Speaker 1: But then you get out there on the field and

532
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Speaker 1: I think, whatever, it doesn't matter.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think it will end up being.

534
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 2: Unless the wind arrives Sunday night, than that could change things.

535
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Speaker 2: But I don't think, as much as we've talked about

536
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Speaker 2: it, it will end up being that big.

537
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Speaker 1: Wind is a bigger factor than temperature.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, so we're going to take a quick break.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll dive into some other key

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Speaker 2: elements of this game. You're listening to the Lage podcast

541
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Speaker 2: when we are coming to you from the Sea Geek Studio.

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Speaker 2: We also want to mention our partners with Draft King Sportsbook.

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Speaker 2: Ravens Draftking Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. So we spend

545
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Speaker 2: all the time talking about these quarterbacks. The question is

546
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Speaker 2: what you can do to slow down Josh Allen. He

547
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Speaker 2: does so many things. Well, so in your mind, what

548
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Speaker 2: is it?

549
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Speaker 3: How do you stop him?

550
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's the extended plays, and the Ravens

551
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: defense has the advantage of practicing against the guy who's

552
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: really good at extending plays. Like if there's any team

553
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Speaker 1: that is prepared to face the challenges that Josh Allen poses,

554
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: it's the Ravens. They see it every day. Now. Lamar

555
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: is a different kind of guy with his speed and

556
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Speaker 1: shiftiness as a runner and all that stuff, but as

557
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: a defense like plastering and kind of defending the play

558
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: after the called play, the Ravens have a ton of

559
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Speaker 1: practice in that. So you have to be really good

560
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: in the secondary to do that, and then you have

561
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Speaker 1: to be very good up front, like I said earlier,

562
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Speaker 1: not to be over aggressive in your pursuit and trying

563
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Speaker 1: to sack him and really kind of closing down those

564
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Speaker 1: rushing lanes. For Josh Allen, I go back.

565
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Speaker 2: To what they did in Week four, and that's they

566
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Speaker 2: hit him a ton, like he got hit a ton

567
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Speaker 2: in that game. Oway was coming off the edge like

568
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Speaker 2: Vanoy's coming off the edge. I just think that getting

569
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Speaker 2: to him, it's not just like flushing him outside the

570
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Speaker 2: pocket because he's so good out there and then he

571
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Speaker 2: can run and take off and he can make plays

572
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Speaker 2: happen there. But getting disrupting him and hitting him, I

573
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Speaker 2: think is going to be important.

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Speaker 1: They had. The interesting thing when you look back at

575
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Speaker 1: the Week four matchup is like he he was on

576
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Speaker 1: the run a lot, like a lot of scrap. They

577
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Speaker 1: just got him off his mark exactly a lot. He

578
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Speaker 1: was constantly running to the sideline and then you know

579
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Speaker 1: that limits his number of options he has a throw to.

580
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Speaker 1: And the Ravens defensive backs, their credit, did a good

581
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Speaker 1: job of not letting him beat them with those big

582
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Speaker 1: plays outside the pocket. So can they plaster that well again,

583
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: you know that's gonna be a huge, huge key.

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00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think when you like, basically when

585
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: they force them off that mark, they're cutting off half

586
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Speaker 2: the field and they were doing that a ton in

587
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Speaker 2: that game. And so if you can if you can

588
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Speaker 2: do that, he rolls to his right and they're going

589
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: to look for chances to do that. And then you

590
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Speaker 2: talk about the Ravens secondary. Brandon Stevens is going to

591
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Speaker 2: be an important player in this game. And teams have

592
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Speaker 2: picked on him at times. Personally, I think you agree

593
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Speaker 2: with me. I think that like the demise of Brandon

594
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Speaker 2: Stevens has been over exaggerated. I think he's been a

595
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Speaker 2: pretty good player this year. He's been targeted a ton,

596
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Speaker 2: and he has given up some plays. I recognize that,

597
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Speaker 2: but I also think that he's he's in the right

598
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Speaker 2: spot a lot, and I think he's made strides. A

599
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 2: lot of it comes down to turning your head and

600
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Speaker 2: giving up those pis.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think that.

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Speaker 2: I do not think that Brandon Stevens has some great

603
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Speaker 2: liability on this defense.

604
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Speaker 3: I really don't think that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that he's going to be tested with

606
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Speaker 1: some back shoulder throws. The Bills hit some a couple

607
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Speaker 1: of those Keon Coleman against Brandon Stevens in the earlier matchup,

608
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Speaker 1: and it wouldn't surprise me if they go back to

609
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Speaker 1: that well again. And so I think that's something to

610
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Speaker 1: watch really for the Ravens defense in their secondary in particular,

611
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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to handling the Bill's motion.

612
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Speaker 1: They are a high motion team, so they use motion

613
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Speaker 1: on seventy eight point three percent of their plays. The

614
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Speaker 1: Ravens by comparison, which you think of like the Ravens

615
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: use a ton of motion with Save Flowers and all

616
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Speaker 1: that sixty five point seven, So big difference, right, And

617
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Speaker 1: what that does is when they're moving a lot of

618
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Speaker 1: players around pre snap is it stresses communication defensively knowing

619
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Speaker 1: what your assignment is, knowing how you're reacting to those

620
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Speaker 1: changes that they're making. You know, we saw one of

621
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Speaker 1: the Browns or I'm sorry, the Steelers first touchdown last

622
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: week looked like there's some kind of communication breakdown between

623
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Speaker 1: Brandon Stevens and Kyle Hamilton. The Ravens can't have those

624
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Speaker 1: in this game. I think communication is a huge focus

625
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Speaker 1: for them this week.

626
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Speaker 3: It was an issue earlier this year.

627
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Speaker 2: It's been cleaned up pretty drastically with Kyle Hamilton going

628
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: back to that natural safety spot and so I think

629
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Speaker 2: that's really been improved. I don't expect it to be

630
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: an issue. In some ways, it's kind of weird, but

631
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Speaker 2: when it's the defense on the road, playing an ex

632
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: quieter environment helps with community, helps the defense. It makes

633
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Speaker 2: life harder on the offense, and so it just flipped.

634
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Speaker 2: It was loud in that stadium last week, so much

635
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: of that Morolin Hooff even tweeted about he got cussed

636
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: out by Roquan Smith because because he was telling him

637
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: he wasn't communicating. But he's like, I am communicating, you

638
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: just can't hear me. It's still loud in here. And

639
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: so I think that that definitely makes an impact. It'll

640
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: be quieter when the Bills are on offense, so that

641
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: will help the Ravens communication defensively.

642
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Yep, and we're talking about motion here. I think that

643
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: obviously Zay Flowers is a big storyline this week and

644
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: whether he'll play for the Ravens a huge part of

645
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Speaker 1: their motion offense, and it was it was interesting. Well,

646
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Speaker 1: first of all, I think the reports are that Zay

647
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Speaker 1: Flowers has an outside chance to play in this game.

648
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: John Harball early in the week said even if he

649
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Speaker 1: doesn't practice all week, there's still a chance that Zay

650
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Speaker 1: Flowers could play. It could go either way. So if

651
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: he's not on the field, you know, again we've talked

652
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Speaker 1: about how we feel like this could be another run

653
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: heavy script for the Ravens offense similar to Pittsburgh, which, okay,

654
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Speaker 1: like not having Zay out there, that kind of negates

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Speaker 1: that loss to a degree and you have bigger blockers,

656
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Speaker 1: more Isaiah likely out there throwing blocks, body slamming dudes,

657
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I'm down with that. So, like, if

658
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: there's a game for his day that Zay Flowers is

659
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Speaker 1: going to miss one that you're running the ball a ton, Okay,

660
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: I'll pick that one right. But clearly he makes the

661
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: Ravens offense better when he's on the field. And Dana

662
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Speaker 1: Orlovsky of ESPN pointed out that the Bills primarily are

663
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Speaker 1: a zone defense, but they've been playing more Manda Man

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Speaker 1: coverage Defensively, if Zay Flowers, who's so good at beating

665
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Manda Man, is not on the field, does that ramp

666
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: up the Bill's use of Mando man defense. That'll be

667
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: interesting to see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when you when you go back and think

669
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: about it from last week, there was so much conversation

670
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Speaker 2: around how the Ravens like make up the loss of

671
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Speaker 2: Jay Flowers and and I'm not going to diminish how

672
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: good of a player he is, and he's great, and

673
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: I will like him to be able to play, But

674
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Speaker 2: basically what they did, it's like we're talking about man

675
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: with show Babmen's gonna have to take on more and

676
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: Nelson Aguilre and you look at that game and Shot

677
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: Babman played half the snaps and you're like, wait a second,

678
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: he was the number one wide receiver whos stepping in

679
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Speaker 2: for a bigger role. Now he had a big touchdown,

680
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: I had a big third down catch, but he only

681
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: ended up playing half of the snaps. The Ravens like

682
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Speaker 2: basically replaced And so at some level they replaced Zay

683
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Speaker 2: Flowers with like Josh Jones and Charlie Kohler and the

684
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Speaker 2: big boys and ends of course likely eight of snaps,

685
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Speaker 2: but they also went just big packages.

686
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Speaker 3: They went and run heavy.

687
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Speaker 2: So it's like nosey, okay, it's not doesn't necessarily mean

688
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: they're just gonna go shift it to the wide receivers.

689
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Speaker 2: They go, they go with six offensive linemen and they

690
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Speaker 2: put and they go with the big boys, And that

691
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Speaker 2: could be the recipe. Again, if Say's not on the field, Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could definitely see that being the case.

693
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Speaker 2: I think that would be the recipe. Like, that's what

694
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Speaker 2: the Ravens did so well last week. That's in a

695
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Speaker 2: lot of ways the way the team is built, and

696
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Speaker 2: as we just spent so much time talking about, that's

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Speaker 2: where it seems like the Bills are susceptible defensively.

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Speaker 1: Yep, exactly, and quite frankly, you know, I talked about

699
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Speaker 1: they could play a higher rate of man to man coverage,

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Speaker 1: which Dani Rolowski, Hu's by the way, he's been a

701
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Speaker 1: little two bills. Bill's side is he's a little Bill centric. Dan,

702
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Speaker 1: if you're listening out there.

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Speaker 3: I really like it.

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Speaker 1: But okay, Dan, I think he does a great job,

705
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Speaker 1: but he is kind of Bill centric. If they get

706
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Speaker 1: more man and man like, I'm cool with that, right, Babman,

707
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Speaker 1: you want to go a man on on bait, all right,

708
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: like he'll shake, he'll shake somebody. You want to go

709
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: man on Mark Andrews. Cool? You want to go man

710
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: to man on Isaiah likely?

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Speaker 3: All right?

712
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Speaker 2: Well, and not just that, Honestly, the man of man

713
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: covers really typically opens up lanes for Lamar ch exactly.

714
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Speaker 1: Again, that's what I'm saying. You don't have eyes on

715
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Speaker 1: Lamar Okay, yeah, yeah, don't look, don't worry about take

716
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Speaker 1: your outside.

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Speaker 3: He's just gonna stay back to watch. Yeah, exactly.

718
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Speaker 2: Uh So I think that there could be an advantage

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Speaker 2: for the Ravens in that sense too.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Two other keys to the game here before we wrap up.

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Speaker 2: But I think are really important.

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Speaker 3: One.

724
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Speaker 2: You can say this every game, but I think on

725
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: a cold night it's important. Ball security. Yeah, ball scary,

726
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: ball security.

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Speaker 3: Ball security.

728
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Speaker 2: You can't you cannot turn it up. And John Harbaugh

729
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Speaker 2: even said like, yeah, it's always important, but it it's

730
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Speaker 2: a little more even priority one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, Lamar Jackson has not forgotten the

733
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty Divisional playoff game in Buffalo, the last time

734
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Speaker 1: the Ravens went to Buffalo in the playoffs, when one

735
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Speaker 1: hundred and one yard interception return really broke that game open.

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Speaker 1: When he was asked about that, he's like, hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah. It's like they like showing that

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Speaker 1: clip of that interception and that's about all I'm going

739
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Speaker 1: to say about that one. You could tell he was

740
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Speaker 1: motivated by that playoff loss in that interception, and Lamar

741
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: has been so good at not turning ball over. Knock

742
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Speaker 1: on wood right. The funny thing, Lamar hates Jinxes. Like

743
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: when the reporters like you've been you protect the boys,

744
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: he hates it. He hates it.

745
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: He's a Jinx guy. The NFC record, all that stuff.

746
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Speaker 1: All that stuff, he hates it, so but you know,

747
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Speaker 1: he's done really well in that. The Ravens haven't had

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Speaker 1: an interception in three weeks. Again, knock on wood. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's been a strength of the team, and that's

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Speaker 1: something that they are focused on in this game. The

751
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Bills come in third most takeaways in the league, so

752
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: they're good at it. They're good at getting fumbles all

753
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: that stuff, but so were the Steelers. And the Ravens

754
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: played a clean game and you see what happens, right,

755
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Speaker 1: So that's the priority. It's very similar to last week

756
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Speaker 1: facing Pittsburgh. Have to take care of the ball, and

757
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I expect the Ravens if they do that, I think

758
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Speaker 1: they win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that the Ravens probably win most games,

760
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Speaker 2: almost every game that they don't turn the ball over,

761
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Speaker 2: and I think that's the case this game. The other

762
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Speaker 2: thing that I think is vitally important in this game

763
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Speaker 2: is special teams. Broadly speaking, when the Ravens have lost

764
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Speaker 2: games this year, special teams has typically been a big

765
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Speaker 2: part of that. The kicking game on Justin Tucker I

766
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Speaker 2: think has righted the ship and I think he's in

767
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: a good place and so I feel good about him.

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Speaker 2: But even you go back to that game in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty you mentioned it. I mean it was a crazy, crazy,

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Speaker 2: windy night, but he missed two field goals in the

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Speaker 2: first half of that of that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, crazly really flating. Yeah, deflating missus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so the Ravens need to play a clean game

775
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Speaker 2: on special teams, kicking game, punting game, and receiving game.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the punt return game for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Ravens have put the ball on the

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Speaker 1: ground three straight games now and so they've.

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Speaker 3: Recovered all of them. But yeah, but playing with fire, you.

780
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Speaker 1: Are playing with fire. Who you know is Tyler Wallace,

781
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Speaker 1: Desmond King, Steven Simms here last week against the Steelers,

782
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Speaker 1: And so you're gonna get bit eventually doing that. And

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Speaker 1: I think I think the returner issue is they need

784
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Speaker 1: to find somebody who is going to catch the ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a John Harbaugh said this your punt catcher

786
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Speaker 2: first before your punt returner. And the Ravens need to

787
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Speaker 2: be able to catch that ball clean because you can't.

788
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: You can't muff a punt and give the Bills the

789
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: ball at the ten yard line going in after getting

790
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: a big defensive stop, like that's a recipe for disaster.

791
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: Another player who could factor into that mix is Deontay Hardy.

792
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: The Ravens signed him this offseason, played earlier in the year,

793
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Speaker 2: then went on ir with a knee injury. He is

794
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: back at practice and a full participant, full participant. He's

795
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Speaker 2: still on injured reserve, so the Ravens would have to

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Speaker 2: activate him. We'll see if he ends up getting called

797
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: up to the active roster. Interesting note on him too,

798
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Speaker 2: is he previously played.

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Speaker 1: In Buffalo, so he's catching puttson catching.

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Speaker 2: Punts up there, So maybe the Ravens call him up

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Speaker 2: and put him out in that action. I mean that

802
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: would be He's been on the shelf for a while

803
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Speaker 2: dealing with that injury, and so that would be kind

804
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Speaker 2: of a tall order coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But Stephen Simms was signed two weeks two days

806
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 1: before he got plugged in and eustactly, So I don't

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00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: know that that really matters too much of the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the main thing in my mind

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00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: is like any punt, any punt return yards are are

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00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: a bonus. And I think that like getting zero punt

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Speaker 2: return yards and just catching it cleanly is top priority

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00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 1: That's the main thing on making good decisions. It's also

814
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: just coming up and fielding it when you should yeap.

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00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: Fair, cashit, field it, don't let it bounce an extra

816
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: twenty yards like those types of things, yep or the

817
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: whatather raves need to do. And then of course overall

818
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: special teams they need it. They need to punt the

819
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: ball well, hopefully not doing too much punting, but if

820
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: they do, they need to punt the ball well.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: And then of course uh talker needs to continue playing

823
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: well that he has the last month of the season.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have an email as always, you can

825
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: reach us at the lounge at ravenst NFL dot net.

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Speaker 1: And this one comes from Gary Berg, who his subject

827
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Speaker 1: line is Josh Allen can only roll right? Fellas love

828
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: the podcast great takes of the games as well as

829
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 1: interviews with the star players. Please please please tell zach

830
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: Or that Josh Allen only ever rolls to his right.

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Speaker 1: That's in all caps. Over play him please, just like

832
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: high school basketball, make him go to his off hand.

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00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: The only time he rolled left against us earlier in

834
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: the year, he fumbled. Thanks guys, keep up the great

835
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: work from Gary Berg. Thank you, Gary for the email.

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Speaker 3: You run up to Jack's office to let him know,

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00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: Gary said.

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Speaker 1: Gary said, I have a feeling that Zach has probably

839
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: noticed this trend as well during his film study. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good point. Like Gary's not wrong.

841
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: He does definitely like to go to his right. If

842
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: he's going to his left, it's probably more to just

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Speaker 1: run and so and I can.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't go back and watch all the film from

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00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: the Week four game, but just my memory is like

847
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: I saw him rolling right a lot to that sideline.

848
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: He rolled right when he completed that crazy pass to

849
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: Shakira down the sidelines. Yep, I don't know what the

850
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: tendencies are here. How many right handed quarterbacks just like

851
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: to roll right?

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know what the numbers right on. That's

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Speaker 3: generally what you would do.

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Speaker 1: That's generally the preference.

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00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, But by we'll let Gary, we will let Zach know.

856
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: We will let Zach know and pass this along. So

857
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: it should be an awesome game, as we've as we

858
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: spent all this time talking about, I think it's gonna

859
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: be the best game in the NFL this week, and

860
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: this is the I always think the best week weekend

861
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: of football in the NFL, the Visual Round weekend is

862
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: the best weekend of football, and certainly hope that the

863
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: Ravens cap things off in a.

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Speaker 3: Nice way Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for listening and we will

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Speaker 2: be back with you after that game against Buffalo.