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Speaker 3: That's what we can't swear on here. That is a

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Speaker 1: I got adjusted, well, the coach said it, I got

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Speaker 1: As long as you're not doing it on third down, fine,

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Speaker 1: We'll do that another time.

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Speaker 2: And I don't see that with Drake. I don't see

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Speaker 1: No, what that's great. We saw it in the spring,

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Speaker 3: So that's encouraging.

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Speaker 2: I like what we're seeing out of the McDaniels, saying

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get to some of those things that I

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Speaker 1: And you may have already touched on it just to

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Speaker 1: That's more because they think he's better at left guards

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Speaker 2: The way that I look at it from Wilson's perspective

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Speaker 2: and in baseball they call what the battery, right, like

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Speaker 2: So having Bradbury in there at center to just be

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Speaker 1: Well, so then here's my well, you do still have

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Speaker 1: They having hands on yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and in their system.

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Speaker 3: I am not writing off Ben Brown.

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Speaker 1: I'm not right off Ben, He's said yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I'm pu that I'm not ruling out Jared Wilson and

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Speaker 3: I'm not ruling it out.

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Speaker 1: What do you so I'm not. I'm not saying I

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Speaker 1: I said this, I wonder if Garrett Bradbury, because you

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Speaker 1: he say, you know, I want to go somewhere because

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Speaker 1: Well you also have a backup guard. That was the

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Speaker 2: We were on the same page here. Dante Scarnekio would

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Speaker 1: Unless they don't believe in strangers the center.

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Speaker 2: they simply just felt like Ben Brown was better equipped

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Speaker 1: I think their top lineman, like, if we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: I don't know who that's gonna be. And that's a

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Speaker 1: whole other conversation.

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Speaker 2: Until Valarian Low gets out there and we start to

440
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Speaker 2: see anything from him, I don't know how you could

441
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Speaker 2: know it's gonna.

442
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Speaker 1: So well, Venerian law or some sort of backup tackle

443
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: like that feels like the group Laydon Robinson's still buried.

444
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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, sorry no. Kiten Wallace has been

445
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Speaker 1: with the talk group. Kan Wallace is in the mix

446
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Speaker 1: there left at left guard. But I'm saying like, if

447
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Speaker 1: we were to count that group, so it's Campbell, Wilson, yes,

448
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: Brad Burry, Moses, and then your top backups are Strange, Wallace, uh,

449
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Speaker 1: Montre Jacobs, Demontree Jacobs, and now Ben Brown. So that's nine.

450
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Speaker 1: So if you carry a tenth left tackle, just maybe

451
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: Cole Strange right well, if he's not going to be

452
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Speaker 1: the starting guard and we have Jared Wilson and Kane

453
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Speaker 1: Wallas gonna be the backup guard, is that leave Cole

454
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Speaker 1: Strange on the outside looking in. I feel like the

455
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Speaker 1: just Demantra Jacobs gets bumped if they find a swing tackle.

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Speaker 3: Out of that group. I think the question comes down

457
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Speaker 3: to two things. What can you do?

458
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Speaker 2: You feel feel like you can get Ben Brown to

459
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Speaker 2: the practice squad. I'm iffy on that.

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Speaker 1: I don't a guy that started with ten eleven games,

461
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Speaker 1: but most people don't carry Most teams don't carry backup

462
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Speaker 1: centers that don't have any any flexibility to play guard.

463
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Speaker 3: That's true at one position. Backup at center is pretty rare,

464
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Speaker 3: but can you get Ben.

465
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Speaker 1: Brown though it's not McDaniels has done it.

466
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Speaker 3: The other question is.

467
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Speaker 2: What are they doing at tackle outside of the Mantre

468
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Speaker 2: Jacobs to back up their starters. So, in my opinion

469
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Speaker 2: that the way you just laid out, Yeah, Cole Strange

470
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Speaker 2: being on the outside looking in, so that of Adarian

471
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Speaker 2: Lowe or a Marcus Bryant or a fourth tackle makes

472
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Speaker 2: the team would make the most sense.

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Speaker 1: Unless it's so to me, it's either then Brown's the

474
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Speaker 1: odd man out because he can only play center, but

475
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Speaker 1: I don't hate them keeping a center only player in

476
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Speaker 1: this offense because it's so complex. Cole Stranger is the

477
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Speaker 1: odd man out because he can only play left guard, yes,

478
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Speaker 1: or Demantra Jacobs being the odd man out because they

479
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Speaker 1: find a swing tackle so they don't need him now

480
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Speaker 1: because they have guys who play left and right, and

481
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Speaker 1: Caden Walls in a pinch, can play right tackle if

482
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Speaker 1: you need him to. I think at this point they

483
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Speaker 1: view him primarily as a guard. But he's done it.

484
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Speaker 1: I think if it, you know in game, you'd go

485
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Speaker 1: down to your fourth tackle. Okay, we can throw Kayden

486
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Speaker 1: Wallace out there for the rest of the day and

487
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Speaker 1: then you add another you know, tackle in the in

488
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Speaker 1: before your next game kind of thing. I'm interested, but

489
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Speaker 1: that that kind of feels like, yeah, you know, I

490
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Speaker 1: don't think Layton Robinson's in the mix. City s got

491
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Speaker 1: hurt today.

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Speaker 3: Those two guys I don't think are in.

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, they don't seem like they. He didn't seem

494
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Speaker 1: that he was in the mix before he got hurt.

495
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Speaker 1: You see her Durant didn't really look Marcus Bryants would

496
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Speaker 1: probably be the next guy up. And maybe it's can

497
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Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant beat out Demntre Jacobs because he is a

498
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Speaker 1: swing tackle. He can play at least in theory. He's

499
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Speaker 1: got to prove it in theory he can play both sides.

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Speaker 1: And now you don't keep Jacobs, you'd keep Marcus Bryant.

501
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: He's going to back up both tackle spots. And there

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 3: So a couple of things I want to unpack.

504
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Speaker 2: Let's just stick on the offensive line for now, because

505
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Speaker 2: that's where we started anyways, and I feel like we

506
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: talked enough about where Drake is at. A couple of

507
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Speaker 2: things I want to talk about at tackle. Let's just

508
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Speaker 2: go to Will Campbell now. Yeah, So here's my take

509
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Speaker 2: on Will Campbell. I personally believe that Will Campbell has

510
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Speaker 2: come as advertised because coming into this when he was

511
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Speaker 2: drafted and if you watched him at LSU and you

512
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Speaker 2: listen to US or other programs during the draft, but

513
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Speaker 2: hopefully US during the draft, we talked about elite college

514
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Speaker 2: run blocker. So so pass protector has some warts as

515
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Speaker 2: a past protector that he needs to die now.

516
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Speaker 1: Specifically that outside inside.

517
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Speaker 3: To me, that's exactly how it's been.

518
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Speaker 1: Yep.

519
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Speaker 2: And I will just say this because I have to

520
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: be a little bit positive about my guy.

521
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Speaker 3: It has been a like, honestly a pleasure to watch

522
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 3: that man run block.

523
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Speaker 1: Like is he's ferocious.

524
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Speaker 2: It's incredible, It's un it's awesome. It is awesome to

525
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: watch that man run block like we're we're talking about

526
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Speaker 2: like forget about like the physicality and the finish, because

527
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: oh that's great, right, but everybody can throw their weight around,

528
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: Like if you're six six, three hundred and thirty pounds,

529
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Speaker 2: you can throw your weight around that that that stands with,

530
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: you know, without mentioning his ability to work up to

531
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Speaker 2: the second level, he is on the second level in

532
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: an instant. His down blocks cave in the line of scrimmage,

533
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Speaker 2: like he's literally taken out guys on the line of

534
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Speaker 2: scrimmage already down blocking.

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Speaker 1: He's got Fulda mill Williams over twice in that first

536
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Speaker 1: patter pe.

537
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Speaker 2: He's got the reach in the and you know, the

538
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Speaker 2: athleticism to reach landmarks on the front side of run plays,

539
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Speaker 2: whether he's sealing the edge to get the you know

540
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: to on a toss play, or he's front side reaching

541
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Speaker 2: on outside zone to hook the edge, you know, to

542
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: get that corner for the running back.

543
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Speaker 3: He finishes, He's nasty, he's physical, he moves people.

544
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Speaker 2: He is a day one I would say almost good

545
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Speaker 2: to maybe potentially great run blocker, like right out of

546
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Speaker 2: the gate. So with that with Jared Wilson, who I

547
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Speaker 2: also think is a very athletic and could excel as

548
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Speaker 2: a run blocker, and then what you got brewing on

549
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Speaker 2: the right side, with Morgan Moses and Mike on Wenhu.

550
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Speaker 2: I am really optimistic that they're going to be able

551
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Speaker 2: to run block and there might actually be able to

552
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Speaker 2: have a productive, effective running game. And we argue all

553
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Speaker 2: the time about the importance of that, but I think

554
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Speaker 2: the main thing to me, the big takeaway is if

555
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Speaker 2: you can run the ball, the things that you can

556
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Speaker 2: do off the run game are just as important as

557
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Speaker 2: actually running the ball right. So if you can come

558
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Speaker 2: into games and teams.

559
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: Oh my, did Evan just suggests running sets up the pass.

560
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: If teams have to respect the fact that you can,

561
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: they can come off the ball and they can get

562
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Speaker 2: Mike on Winnu and Morgan Moses on the double team,

563
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Speaker 2: and they can move some bodies right and they can

564
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Speaker 2: run to the left side with actual range and athleticism

565
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Speaker 2: with Jared Wilson and Will Campbell, you know, getting up

566
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Speaker 2: to the second level, or like I said, you know

567
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: hooking the outside, reaching the front side of a play

568
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: to get the corner, you know, Trayvon Henderson, scooting around

569
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Speaker 2: the edge like they can do all those things. Now

570
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: you can play action. Now you can boot, you can

571
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Speaker 2: move the pocket off of that. That's how you can

572
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Speaker 2: protect the quarterback. And not only are you protecting the quarterback,

573
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Speaker 2: but you're protecting the pass protection as well, because you're

574
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Speaker 2: doing these things schematically that give the defense pause and

575
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: and force the defense to respect the run and respect

576
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: the actions in the backfield. All of these things limit

577
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: the true pass sets that you see from from the

578
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Speaker 2: tackles right like the actual drop back passing game, which

579
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: will allow you to maybe protect those tackles a little

580
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: bit if they are a little bit weaker. Because I

581
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: think Moses has had his issues too at right tackle

582
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: and pass protection as well. So so let me just

583
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: get to stra all of these things. I'm like, I'm

584
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: like a kid on Christmas, like this is awesome.

585
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: Let me just get this straight. Yes, you're talking about

586
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: the run setting up the pass.

587
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 3: For now, it's not where I want to be. It's

588
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: not like the end goal. It's not the end.

589
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: But you're acknowledging the run can set up the pass.

590
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: That whole argument we had this week are about me

591
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: saying being tough on the line of scrimmage and pushing

592
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: the defense around initially can benefit you later in the game.

593
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: I am acknowledging that run actions mean more than just

594
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: running the football. You can run the ball and then

595
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: you can action off of that. Whether it's play action

596
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: is whether it's.

597
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: That run action going to be as effective as the

598
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: defense can respect it as much. If you don't prove

599
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: you can run the ball out right, No, it's not.

600
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: No, it's not I'll concede that point to today because

601
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: I'm excited and I'm going to allow myself to be excited.

602
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: Excited about the Patriots ability to run to set up

603
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: the pass.

604
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: I am excited about their running game mark the Dayton time.

605
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: I think their offensive line is built for it. I

606
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: think their offensive line is built to be able to

607
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 2: run the ball. I think they have backs. I think

608
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: Rimandra Stevenson and Trevion Henderson are going to be bad

609
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: in factor backs we talked about we will in a second.

610
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be able to run the football.

611
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: And Josh has always been able to run the football,

612
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: So I think they're gonna be.

613
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: Able to run it.

614
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: You got to get it, got to get a new fullback,

615
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: got figure out what's happening there.

616
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: But I think they're gonna be able to run the ball. Which, again,

617
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: if you're only if you're running the ball and your

618
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: play actioning, and that's like your base offense, like that's

619
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: your first and second down offense. Now you're whittling down

620
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: those like true past protection reps where the guys are

621
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: on islands at tackle and things like that. Now it's

622
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: only like situational, it's only third down. It's only two minutes, Like,

623
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: you're not doing that for the entire game, where guys

624
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: are just teeing off on Cam and Moses for four

625
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: straight couarders. You can stay ahead of the chains, you

626
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: can stay in the game on the scoreboard, and you

627
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: don't have to put those guys expose them to like

628
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: thirty pass sets per game. That's better that you can

629
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: work with that. Now, that's not to excuse the fact

630
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: or to like to hide from the fact that Will

631
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: Campbell's pass protection in practice so far has been a

632
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: mixed bag.

633
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that.

634
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: On the true pass sets, yes, he's been fighting, holding

635
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: up on the play actions and stuff like the true

636
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: it's really that, I know people don't like it when

637
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: we bring this up, but I'm going to bring it up.

638
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: The Drake may Fore interception practice in the spring, Yes,

639
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: it was four picks and six throws, and then he

640
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: was fine after that. This was like he allowed to

641
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: sacks today and a pressure is in the span of

642
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: like four snaps, right, And then I thought the rest

643
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: of the day he was fine. There was nothing glaring.

644
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: So it's just it's concerning because it wasn't such a

645
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: short window and he's beat on that same move. That's

646
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: what I want to ask you to go back to

647
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, amble and kind of coming as advertised.

648
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: We knew I mean the arm length thing aside, and

649
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: I guess it's loosely related to the arm length. But

650
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: how do you how do we knew we need to

651
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: get better at that outside in move and just protecting

652
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: the inside right? How do you like? What is the

653
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: coaching point? What do we look for to see he's

654
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: improved other than just okay, he's blocking it? Like, what

655
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: do we look for to see how does he adjust

656
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: to being better against that move?

657
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: So if we.

658
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: If we go class glass half empty on this and

659
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: we tie it to the arm length, which it could

660
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: be tied, it.

661
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: Is loosely related. So it's not it's not his arms

662
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: are too short he can't reach out there, but.

663
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: I think it is so most of the time when

664
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: this happens, it's because he'll face like a guy like

665
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: Chase on ur s Winston who's got some speed off

666
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: the edge, and in order for him to get his

667
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: hands on those types of guys, he might need to

668
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: take an extra be he leans a little bit right

669
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: to get out there because he doesn't have the length

670
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: to just reach him. So he's over compensating, right, he's

671
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: reaching out further to the outside and he's getting his

672
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: weight over here. And then they're just swimming across inside

673
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: back inside. So all of these things could be tied.

674
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: If you want to be glass half empty about it,

675
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: they could be tied to the arm light. Now, how

676
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: do you work around that? I think it's there's two ways. Obviously,

677
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: every guy inside outside you want to set inside out.

678
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: You want to protect the inside first and make the

679
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: guy go the long way home.

680
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: And he has done a good job. He does this

681
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: against Keon White today when he gets beat outside initially

682
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: he has good recovery. Yeah, so he can. It's not perfect,

683
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: but and I was talking to Felgrin Maz about this.

684
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't even mean to plug it again.

685
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Something that great offensive lineman can do. And

686
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: you can speak to this better than me. But it's

687
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: just kind of how I've always felt. Nobody goes a

688
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: whole season without getting beat. You're gonna get beat. The

689
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: greats get beat a handful of times. But there's getting beat,

690
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: and there's getting beat right, you can kind of lose.

691
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: The rep today against Bandon Swinston.

692
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: So that was a blowby, right, that was not just

693
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: to beat those blowby like being better at getting beat

694
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: initially and then recovering and kind of making it so okay.

695
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Drake has to like getting beat, so Drake has to

696
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: step up and reset versus getting beat. So Drake gets

697
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: out right sacked are obviously two different things, sure, and

698
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: so I think there's some of that where like if

699
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: you get when he's getting beat to the outside, it's

700
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: not it's not like leading the sacks, it's just kind

701
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: of moving the pocket, right.

702
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: So what I see from him is that in order

703
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: for him to reach those out those high side rushers,

704
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: those guys that are testing his edge with speed, he's

705
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: got to be aggressive. And so he comes with both

706
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: hands and he just wants to fire his hands because

707
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: he wants to end the rep as quickly as possible.

708
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: He's got great grip strength and great base power, so

709
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: if he gets his hands on you, the rep is over.

710
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: So his goal is to get his hands on people

711
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: quickly and be more aggressive. Whereas like if you're a bigger,

712
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: longer tackle, you can kind of just sit.

713
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: Back and catch guys.

714
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Trent Brown, he is trying to go get him, and

715
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: because of that, when he whiffs, he whiffs badly. So

716
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: being more patient in his sad and kind of trusting

717
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: his feet more than anything, I think is really the

718
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: starting point of where I would think that the coaches

719
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: are out with him because he's got great athleticism and

720
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: he's got great feet. So trust the fact that you

721
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: can move your feet. Instead of coming out and getting

722
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: over extended and throwing that punch with two hands, try

723
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: to sit back a little bit more, try to be

724
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more patient, wait it out for an

725
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: extra beat, and try to use your feet to recover.

726
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: That's what I would coach you. But I'm not Doug Muro.

727
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm not offensive one. I'm not trying to pretend to be.

728
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: So that's what I would some of it too. And

729
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you do this with practice,

730
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: but like just on film, this is when guys will

731
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: go to that move. This is the looks that will

732
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: come with that move, and like if you know it's coming,

733
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: you can better, Like can film help with that?

734
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: It can, especially if like a guy has a go

735
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: to move and then like a go to counter off

736
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: that move, because what's gonna end up happening my guess

737
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: is is that guys are probably going to speed speed

738
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: speed for like three quarters yea, and they'll save the

739
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: spin or the inside move until it's like a third

740
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 2: down in the fourth quarter and it's like a big

741
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: moment in the game. You know, Max Crosby, if he

742
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: does rush over the left side a little bit on

743
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: Will Campbell, I don't expect Max Crosby to go to

744
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: the inside move the first time he faces Will Campbell.

745
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: He'll try to sequence it together and build up to

746
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: it and then set it up for a big moment.

747
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of that like anticipation of

748
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: like when it might come as well. But the other

749
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: thing is, and I know people don't want to hear

750
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: this about a fourth overall pick, but he's a rookie

751
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. There obviously are schematic

752
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: things that you can do to help him protect the

753
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: outside a little bit better. You know, you can chip,

754
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: you can put a tight end over there, give him

755
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: a little forearm, a little get a slab going over

756
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: there with Hunter Henry or Austin Hooper. You can have

757
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: the backs chip out of the backfield, and then he

758
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: can compensate for the chip right and kind of set

759
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: a little bit more to the inside anticipating the chip,

760
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: and then you can feed the player onto him so

761
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: that he's a little bit easier for him to block

762
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: the guy. I know people don't necessarily want that, like

763
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: they want him to be able to pass protect on

764
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: an island, like he's Joe Thomas. I get that, but

765
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: out of the shoot, if they have to do stuff

766
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: like that, if it's third and ten and it's a

767
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: long down and distance and the defense is going to

768
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: pin his ears back and they have to chip or

769
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: they have to help, you might have to do that.

770
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: It's not his whole career. It's things you're doing to

771
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: help him as a rookie get along while he builds

772
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: up the ability to play more on an island.

773
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: Again, I would stress to him if it were me,

774
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: I would stress to him like, you have great feet. Yeah,

775
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: you're quick, You're nimble on your feet. You can slide,

776
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: you can set out, you can mirror pass rushers, you

777
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: can recover, Like, just sit back just a little bit

778
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 2: longer and just trust your feet and don't be as

779
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: aggressive as he tends to get at times, and I

780
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: think he'll be all right again. Like I would still

781
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: give him a passing grade for the camp. And I

782
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: think his run blocking is like an A plus out

783
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: of the shoe.

784
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: His run blocking's legit. Yeah, it's he's again. I said

785
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: the word before, I'll say he's vicious.

786
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: So on the other side, with Morgan Moses, I'm a little.

787
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 3: I'm small seat concerned. Is that allowed to be said?

788
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Uh, why are you? And then I'll say yes or no.

789
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: It's two reasons. One, I think it was better today,

790
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: so I'll give him that. Maybe maybe it was too

791
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: premature for me to jump to this conclusion. I've seen

792
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: speed give him some problems, protecting the corner against speed rushers,

793
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: getting out of really getting out of his stance, and

794
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: like getting his hands on some of those guys. I

795
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: think it's been a little bit of a problem. The

796
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: other thing is, and maybe this is just a twelve

797
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: year veteran that they're easing in and they're managing and

798
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. But I can't help but think,

799
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: is he really going to play seventeen games and hopefully

800
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: for this team this year?

801
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: Like more than seventeen?

802
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: Right?

803
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 2: Like you're hoping that they're going to play eighteen or

804
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 2: nineteen games twenty Hell, let's go for it.

805
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: Is he gonna be able to do that?

806
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: And if is not a Moses problem necessarily, I mean,

807
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: the durability is a Moses problem, but he's thirty four.

808
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: It's it comes with the territory at times. You no offense.

809
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: But I don't particularly love what they have backing him up.

810
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: So like, if he's missing a month of the season,

811
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: then that's a month of Trey Jacobs, Vederian Lowe, Marcus Bryant,

812
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: whoever it is at right tackle. That's a problem that's

813
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: not good enough.

814
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: So that's not being concerned about more like I don't durability, right,

815
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, No, the backup tackles. We talked this

816
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot over the you know, over the off season,

817
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: like it's a question. They relatively answered their starting tackle questions.

818
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: We know who they are. At this time last year,

819
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: we had no idea who the starting left tackle is

820
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 1: going to be. It was either gonna be the rookie

821
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: right tackle, they were going to move over the borderline

822
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: starting right tackle they signed from Pittsburgh who got caught

823
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: who they were gonna move over or Vederian Lowe, and

824
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: then it ended up being low who I think was

825
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: like the third option there and the right tackle. We

826
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: didn't know who that was gonna be, and that guy

827
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: ended up at this time last year being on the

828
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. So it's they answered to an extent. The

829
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: starting group, it's a house of cards, like if it

830
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: is Campbell, Wilson, Bradbury owned went ww Moses. I feel

831
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: okay about that. It's not gonna be a top five

832
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: unit in the league, but I think that that's representative.

833
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: But that can fall apart real fast because you lose

834
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: one or two guys and it's the depth is not there.

835
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: And look, they had a lot of needs this offseason.

836
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I understand why, you know, back up right tackle maybe

837
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: wasn't on the top of the list, but it's something

838
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: that probably went under address. Same on the left side.

839
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: So unless you really believe in Marcus Bryant, he's the

840
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: one guy that's kind of an unknown. So I won't

841
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say you know what you have in

842
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: him because you don't. Uh, you know, Andre Jacobs, we

843
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: know who he is. He's a career back up kind

844
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: of fringing player Darian Lowe. He runs hot and cold,

845
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: but when it's cold, it's really not good. I'm concerned

846
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: about their tackle death as the durability. He's thirty four

847
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: years old.

848
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that shouldn't be und in hand, right, Like

849
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's news to me. I just watching

850
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: these practices and like he's in and out of practice,

851
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: and then he's in, then he's out again, then he's out, and.

852
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: So I be more worried about that if it wasn't

853
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: clear that they were making that point of emphasis for

854
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: a lot of their veterans. Right, I'm not worried about

855
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: the condition. Harold Landry's in. He got a veteran day today.

856
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Carlon Davis will see he's been out. But like they're

857
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of doing the veteran day thing for quite a

858
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: few guys. It was just and I don't know, maybe

859
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: this is a dumb way to look at it by me.

860
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just being too optimistic. If it was Jess

861
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses, I'd be like, oh, there's something wrong. I

862
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of look at it in the fact that Vrabel's

863
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: openly talking about it. They're just kind of trying to

864
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: make sure some of their veterans are in the right

865
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: shape for the start of the season.

866
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: So he was better.

867
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: Toda, he was better, And I think he didn't rotate

868
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: with the mantra Jacobs today, right.

869
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: No, And so maybe feel a little bit better watching

870
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: him in one on ones and team I thought he'd

871
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: protected the edge a lot better today. So maybe that

872
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of offensive line Bay two is

873
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: just like rhythmic and time and all that. So maybe

874
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: getting the snap counts down and getting his feet and

875
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: his like you know, reaction time and all that jargon

876
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: like down so that he can be a little bit better.

877
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: We'll say this. I don't know if it's concerned with

878
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses, just something to watch for. You know how

879
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: these tackles now, like they're trying to jump the snap

880
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: the same way defensive players are trying to jump the snap.

881
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: And he does that.

882
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: That Washington game last year, they are called like five

883
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: fall starts in a row. Yeah, No, he's he's right

884
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: there trying to jump. He's gonna get called for a

885
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: few fall starts early on because that's he's that's.

886
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: That's part of like, Okay, is he doing that to

887
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: overcompensate because he's.

888
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: Not a lot. I think a lot of veteran guys

889
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: do that. I think, now that's just like the thing

890
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: to do.

891
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: They try to be smart.

892
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think it's a it's like a

893
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: veteran trying to compensate because what's his name, Trent Williams

894
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: does it. Yeah, but I guess he's older too. It's

895
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: bad exactly, I know.

896
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: But like I hear what you're saying. I said, I

897
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: think what more like my concern level is less about that.

898
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: I think like Morgan mos is going to be like

899
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 2: a bust of a signing.

900
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more worried about his availability.

901
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: I'm worried about his availability and the fact that they

902
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: really don't have anything that you feel good about behind him.

903
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: That's that's with a thirty four year old player. That's fair.

904
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: I think I'm more concerned. It is a dumb take.

905
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: I think I'm more concerned about what's behind him than

906
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: his durability. And I get there intertwined.

907
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: But like, right, because you only knew what's behind him

908
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: if he's hurt.

909
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: Right, but he's played at least fourteen games, yes, every

910
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 1: year of his career.

911
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: Right, so yes, but for a team that we're projecting

912
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: to go like eight, nine to nine to eight and

913
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: be like, right.

914
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: Those two or three games, couldn't I yeah, yeah, I

915
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: get what you're saying.

916
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: All right, So I think that's enough on the offensive line.

917
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: I think we just spent forty five minutes on the

918
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: offensive line, which is our show. And that's not surprising.

919
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: You mentioned Trayvon Henderson. You wanted to talk about Travon Henderson.

920
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: And I did too. He's on my list.

921
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: The main thing here I had written down for him

922
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: just pass game impact, Like I think he's gonna be

923
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: an impact receiver out of the gate, just an impact

924
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: playmaker in general. But you see in the passing game

925
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 2: when he runs like a wheel or like a vertical

926
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: route out of the backfield, that's going to be a

927
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: hard foot race for a lot of linebackers to hang

928
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: with him. We've seen him run some routes detached from

929
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: the formation as well, like outside the formation too. I

930
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: think those short little option routes that we saw James

931
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: White live an entire Patriot Hall of Fame career on,

932
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: I think those are in his bag as well. Today

933
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: I saw him throw a chip block that landed a pancake,

934
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: which was cool to see see that pass protection a

935
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: little bit. He has come as advertised as well, I

936
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: would say, from explosiveness, sub game, pass game contribution. My

937
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: only question with Travion Henderson after watching him since the spring,

938
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: is not ability. It's workload, like just managing workload. He's

939
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: not the biggest guy, he's not the biggest running back.

940
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense to make him a volume running back.

941
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: So how exactly do they strike that balance of this

942
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: guy's a dynamic playmaker, but we also don't want to

943
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: overuse him at the same time.

944
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: That's the only question at this point.

945
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I still think Rimondre's getting a brunt of

946
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: the workload in terms of the overall snaps. Now, the

947
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: big moments right third down, two minute drill. I think

948
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: that's where you see Henderson. The thing that stood out

949
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: to me, and we'll need to look at this more

950
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: when the games come around, because it's not a perfect

951
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: gauge in when they're not tackling, but man, when he

952
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: gets to the outside. There was a run today and

953
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: he had one yesterday. It was the same thing. Yesterday

954
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: was a toss. I think today was a stretch. The

955
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: one yesterday, like he has tossed the right side and

956
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: the defensive line comes down and caves it in and

957
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: it's like he's got nothing, like it should have been

958
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: blown up and he had a little sliver angle and

959
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: when he hit the top gear ended up being a touchdown.

960
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Like his ability to create something from nothing by getting

961
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: the right angle and using his speed the fast and

962
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: take right. Okay, he's fast and his ball carrier vision,

963
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: but not just identifying the hole but being able to

964
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: time up, like when to run full speed. So on

965
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: that toss play for instance, right, if he just run

966
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: full speed right away, he would have lost the yards

967
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: because the blocking wouldn't have developed and the defense would

968
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: have gotten to him. He waited up. He was patient,

969
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: and then he knew when to hit the speed and

970
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: what angle to hit. I go back to the screen

971
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: touchdown against Texas in the college football playoffhere.

972
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 3: If you watch that to be there, right, if.

973
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: He runs full speed as soon as he catches the ball,

974
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: it's like a fifteen yard game, which isn't bad, but

975
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: you know it's the play's not developed. He's patient, he waits,

976
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: the blocking develops, he identifies the hole, he hits it

977
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: and then boom, he hits that top gear and pulls

978
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: away his ability to identify when he needs to run

979
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: full speed when he kind of needs to slow up

980
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: to be patient to visualize the blocks developing. All of that,

981
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: he is very impressive and it's a couple times now

982
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: he's created something from nothing, which we talked about this

983
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: offensive line. There might be a few cases here where's

984
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: running the ball it looks like nothing. So if you

985
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: can get something out of that, that's going to be

986
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: a major boost for this offense.

987
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: He's fast, there's no doubt about that. That speed.

988
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: He's fast, and that speed translates instantly, like you can

989
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: see it.

990
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 3: It's palpable, you can feel it.

991
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: He's he's faster than other people on the field and

992
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: and he's a I think he's gonna be a pretty

993
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: good receiver now. The only thing that like is holding

994
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: him back if anything at receiver is just like landmarks

995
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: and like kind of figuring out like how exactly Drake

996
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: wants him to run certain routes in terms of like

997
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: where he ends up.

998
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: Ye, look, get there, they'll get their typical rookie staf right.

999
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: They'll get there with that with you with Remandre I

1000
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: have no reason to believe that he won't be a

1001
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: lead back for this team on early down, lead back,

1002
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call that. I until today, Landlerson

1003
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: got some reps today with the top offense with some

1004
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: other frontline guys with Drake, But I thought Antonio Gibson

1005
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: had been pretty much holding everybody off for that third

1006
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: running backs body. Gibson's actually and maybe it's just a

1007
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 2: veteran thing versus a rookie, but He's gotten some reps

1008
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: over you know, in front of I should say, or

1009
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: ahead of Trayvon Henderson even at times this summer. So

1010
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: I still think Gibson is is okay, Like, I still

1011
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: think he's probably on this team and has a role.

1012
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: He's been returning kickoffs too in special teams with Henderson

1013
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: that's been like the top duo returning kickoffs. Let's talk

1014
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: about the receivers, because I know this is another hot

1015
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: button topic. My other like take other than the offensive

1016
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: line and how just jazzed up I am about the

1017
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: fact that they have two rookies that can play. I'm

1018
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: also trying to like manage my excitement level for Stefon Diggs,

1019
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: Like my excitement level for Steffonde is pretty high. And

1020
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to keep it in perspective and like,

1021
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: you know, take the hose and like put put me

1022
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: out a little bit about this, because I understand that

1023
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: the bar is not very high with what I'm about

1024
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: to say, but it's still true. He's the best receiver

1025
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 2: I've seen in Patriots camp since prime edilement. And it's

1026
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: not particularly close. Like you just see like the efficiency

1027
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: of his movements, the quickness of his movements, how good

1028
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: he is his hands, like he has magnets for hands,

1029
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: and like his ability to finish at the catch point,

1030
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: and even when he's like in a crowded, contested catch

1031
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: kind of situation, his ability to finish through contact and

1032
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: keep the play, uh, you know, keep the ball in

1033
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: his hands.

1034
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: He just he's a professional receiver.

1035
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: Like he just looks different than everybody else on this

1036
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: on the field. Uh, It's it's really impressive to watch him.

1037
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: I just if he's healthy and he's a go and

1038
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: everything's fine, which it appears to be. Like I just

1039
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: don't see a world where he doesn't catch a hundred

1040
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: passes in this offense. It's like I just can't really

1041
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: fathom how that doesn't happen.

1042
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna be in that role, and he's gotta

1043
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: stay healthy.

1044
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 3: He's gotta stay healthy.

1045
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: But I and look, it could be like I've said before,

1046
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 2: it could be one hundred catches for a thousand yards,

1047
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: like it might only be like ten or eleven yards

1048
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 2: per catch. I don't know if he's gonna be truly

1049
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: a big play down the field burner anymore, but he is.

1050
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: He's as advertised. And like I said, I I think

1051
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: over the last four or five years, you've seen some

1052
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: other veteran receivers, whether it's Nelson Agalore and Kendrick Bourne

1053
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: and DeVante Parker and those types of guys, and you're like, like,

1054
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: you know, Bourne's fine, but like those other two, it

1055
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, you know.

1056
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: I don't know about this, right. I don't feel that

1057
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 3: way about Stefan Diggs. I feel like Stefan Diggs looks

1058
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: like Stefan Diggs and that's a that's fun. Like, that's

1059
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: a great development for them, and I think he's gonna

1060
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 3: be a real player for them. They the Patriots might

1061
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 3: have a Fantasy relevant wide receiver.

1062
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: And Josh mctangiel's offense you never know, but no, he's been.

1063
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: He had that one day where made a couple of drops.

1064
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: Besides that, he's clearly one of my favorite targets. What's

1065
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: really impressive is how advanced their chemistry seems to be already,

1066
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: considering he wasn't really on the field with him in

1067
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: the spring. Yeah him, I mean the clear top four

1068
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: is him, Pop Booty and Kyle Williams. Yes, and then

1069
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: after that, you know, where's Kendrick Bourne stand, where's Jalen

1070
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Polk stand? All that? But those four there's a different

1071
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: kind of talk about speed. It's different kind of speed

1072
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: to that unit. I think they all have good chemistry

1073
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: with Drake May already you mentioned Kyle Williams. Your boy.

1074
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: Big catch today go out from Drake May exactly as advertised.

1075
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: He caught another one yesterday too in high red zone

1076
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: where he just ran by the guy the defender on

1077
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: a go rounde to and d Drake dropped that one

1078
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: in the bucket as well. The one today was not

1079
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: that it was like a bad play by Kyle Williams.

1080
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful throw though, Like that was you know,

1081
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams really hadn't run past I think it was

1082
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: DJ James that was in coverage. He hadn't really run

1083
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: past him yet, and Drake just kind of layered it

1084
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: or laid it out there for him, and Kyle Williams

1085
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: ran underneath it and Drake kind of threw him open,

1086
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: like he just kind of What I was happy about

1087
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: with Kyle Williams on that play is that he kept running.

1088
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: Like at first I thought maybe he was going to

1089
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: shut it down and like run a back shoulder or

1090
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: something like that, but he knew what Drake was going

1091
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 2: for and he kept running and Drake ended up throwing

1092
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 2: him open. So it's a great connection there. The back

1093
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: shoulder timing still needs a little bit of work like

1094
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: that seems like it's still a little off. I'm not

1095
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 2: one hundred percent sold yet that. Like in press Man,

1096
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: the first and second level routes, I don't know if

1097
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: he's going to where his separation level is with that.

1098
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: But he can run a go route, that's for sure.

1099
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: And if you start there and maybe expand as we

1100
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: go here, then that's that's good news for Kyle Williams.

1101
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: Is he pushing Kisehan Boody? Is there a world where

1102
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams is starting for this team. Do you still

1103
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: feel like Booty's got that job, you know, locked down?

1104
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 3: Where do he? Where's that competition for you right now?

1105
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, booties gonna make the team with how

1106
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: involved he is. I wonder if it's one of those things,

1107
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: and we've seen them do this in the past where

1108
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: the veteran starts the year and then it's not one

1109
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: major switch, just over the course the rookie slowly and

1110
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: slowly gets more involved. I also think we know McDaniels

1111
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: isn't afraid to rotate and have four or five key guys,

1112
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: and you know there isn't necessarily a default eleven personnel.

1113
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: There might be that one guy it was Edelman, it

1114
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: would probably be Digs in this scenario that's like always

1115
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: on the field, but the other guys are moving around,

1116
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: especially when a guy like Digs has the flexibility he

1117
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: does to play xy and slot. So yeah, you wonder

1118
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: with Kyle, I wonder if it's just gonna be an

1119
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: outright forman rotation.

1120
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you wonder with Kyle Williams too, Like I

1121
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: just mentioned, maybe it's like a limited route tree for

1122
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: him to start and so in certain packages, certain calls,

1123
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: like certain times of the game you might want, you know,

1124
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: the go route specialist on the field, right, which might

1125
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: be when he is to kind of start his career

1126
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: and then he plays in those situations. I don't know

1127
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: if he's though, from just like an all around game perspective,

1128
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: like is he ready to be like the starting X

1129
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: receiver and like playing in all packages and all that

1130
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Probably not, but he can definitely have

1131
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: a role as like like you said, like kind of

1132
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: like a wide receiver three slash four where he's rotating

1133
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: with Booty and sometimes you know, in certain situations it

1134
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: might be Booty, like maybe in like a twelve personnel

1135
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: when they want like a more experienced run blocker and

1136
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: somebody that like knows those elements a little bit better.

1137
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: But then when they get into those eleven packages and

1138
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 2: they just want to get their best playmakers on the

1139
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: field and their most speed on the field, like then

1140
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: maybe it's a Kyle Williams. The last thing on the receivers,

1141
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention where you had to take about

1142
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: Javon Baker the other day on on my old program

1143
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: on Clintis that had our friends talking on the beat

1144
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: about your take about Javon Baker.

1145
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: Were people talking about it, really little.

1146
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: Chatter about Javon Baker, not just from oh just in

1147
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: the group chat.

1148
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, one like yeah, but Javon Baker.

1149
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: Is there any chance for Javon Baker, because so if

1150
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,479
Speaker 2: you had to stack like his highlight reel catches. Yeah,

1151
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: in this camp like he has as many highlight reel

1152
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: catches as anybody. That doesn't mean that it's a consistency issue,

1153
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: is my point. Like he makes once a day, he makes.

1154
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: But you know what, the lows aren't as low as

1155
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: they like. There was one instance where he didn't line

1156
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: upright and it was right after me.

1157
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 3: That Alex has talked about this already.

1158
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: But well, okay, here's the thing you talked about being

1159
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: lowercase C concerned right about Morgan moses to borrow that

1160
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: parlance lowercase G Goods start to camp for Javon Baker,

1161
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: lower case GE gets sorry, Look, you know this is

1162
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: how I do camp, right. I'm a credit where credit

1163
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: is due, guy, I actually have another credit where credits

1164
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: do take that we can do after this. But Javon

1165
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: Baker came out he wasn't even working with the ones

1166
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: he was working with the twos and threes, and he

1167
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: was getting open regularly against twos and threes. Now he

1168
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: dropped one and Josh Dobbs overthrew him a few times,

1169
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: so he didn't have any catches. The overthrows and ours fall.

1170
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: That drop is well, it's not his faulty. No, you're

1171
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: the one where Doms missed him by like fifteen yards.

1172
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: It's actually impressive as far Dobbs through the ball. But

1173
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: like he's getting open, okay, credit, What more is he

1174
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: supposed to do when he's with If he's gonna make

1175
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: the team, he's got to show he can compete against

1176
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: top unit. In order to get the reps with the

1177
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: top unit, he has to show that he deserves them

1178
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: by winning against lower units. And I think he did that.

1179
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: You know, he's gotten a little bit more with Drake

1180
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: may here he caught the big bomb from him the

1181
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: other day. Ye had that toe tap catch? Was that

1182
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: from mayor Dobbs and near the tow tap on the

1183
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: sideline today Dobbs, that might have been Dobbs. He's still

1184
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: working mostly with Dobbs. But like, look, this is again

1185
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: this is how I do camp. I don't think I

1186
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: still don't think Jayvon Baker is making the team. I

1187
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: still think he's far away and there's too many guys

1188
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: ahead of him, and all that lower case G goods

1189
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: start to camp credit where credit due. He's done pretty much.

1190
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: As he's done what he could have possibly.

1191
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: Right, He's doing as much as he could realistically do.

1192
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: He's making the most the opportunity he's getting. So lowercase

1193
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: G goods start to camp for Jaymon Baker realistically, you know,

1194
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: like realist good situation, And because there are so many

1195
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: receivers ahead of him, if they let's say, like they

1196
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: hadn't signed stuff on Diggs, right, this may be a

1197
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: more serious conversation because there's probably one or two guys

1198
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: in the way, especially when mac Hollins comes back, or

1199
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: like let's say just like they had less you know,

1200
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: Polk was still hurt. Whatever, it might be more serious conversations.

1201
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: Probably not. So You're just like, realistically, if he's gonna

1202
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: have this kind of success against twos and threes that

1203
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: he is, throw him out there in the second half

1204
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: of preseason games, let him take over and maybe get

1205
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: like a six round pick for him.

1206
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: So what I I think he has so along with

1207
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: just like the highlight Yeah, the flashes. The other day

1208
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: you mentioned the seven on seven catch where he just

1209
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: basically blew by the entire defense and caught a deep

1210
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 2: off from Drake May. Yesterday he high pointed the one

1211
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: in the in red zone period where he went above

1212
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: the corner.

1213
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 3: I can't remember who the corner.

1214
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: Was, but he Moss the guy Mott was I want

1215
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: to say Marcellus Dial.

1216
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, he went right like he was on.

1217
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: Javon Baker went to the tenth floor and the corner

1218
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 2: could only get to the seventh floor, and he won

1219
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: right right won the ball. He has a skill set

1220
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 2: and I would like he has a skill set plus

1221
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: a body type that's different from Booty and Kyle Williams. Yeah,

1222
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: Javon Baker runs like a gazille. Like Javon Baker's got

1223
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 2: long strides, he got great build up speed, like he

1224
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: pulls away from the defense a little bit better than

1225
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: a Kasehan Boody does. And then he's got better size

1226
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: than a Kyle Williams. So that's what he does. Going

1227
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: for him is that he's a specimen. Like he is

1228
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: a physical specimen. He's six' to two with four to four,

1229
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: speed four or five speed, maybe BUT i think he's

1230
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: probably in the four. Fours like he's got good, speed

1231
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: especially long, speed and he's got good size for the,

1232
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: position and those other two GUYS i don't think necessarily

1233
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: check those. Boxes So Javon baker's got that going for.

1234
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: He ran a four or five.

1235
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: Four, SEE i feel like he's faster than, That but

1236
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: maybe that's just LOWERCASE.

1237
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: G good. Start we'll see what happens if he Get

1238
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: like here's the. Thing if he's making catches like this

1239
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: on a regular basis in preseason, games he's probably not

1240
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: going to get to the practice. Squad so it's just something,

1241
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: too you, know if you, know it's obviously not ideal

1242
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: for round a year?

1243
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 3: Ago where credits do as? WELL i think he's made

1244
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: some nice.

1245
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: Plays CAN i give you one more guy? Credit where credits?

1246
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: Do maybe this lessens the take On Javon. Baker, okay

1247
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: you know what else? Said like a sneaky solid couple

1248
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: of days, here it's just regularly showing. Up caught a

1249
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns last few.

1250
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: Days, Gee, scott SO i was going to get to

1251
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: the tight.

1252
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: End so go, okay go, Ahead well So Hunter Henry

1253
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: Austin hooper the top two tight. Ends, obviously still nobody's

1254
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: emerged for that third tight. End Jack westover is getting

1255
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: most of the third tight end. Reps he was the

1256
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: second tight end up When hooper was on, pup but

1257
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: he hasn't really done much with, it at least from

1258
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: my point of. View you, know blocking, WISE i don't

1259
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: know That scott stood out at, all But Josh dobbs

1260
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: likes throwing. Him he's been a volume target and the

1261
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: one thing that stands out to me is he can

1262
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: catch the ball with the defender hanging on his back

1263
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: catching and it's not like he's going up mossing, guys

1264
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: but on the crosser right when the corner is like

1265
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: a hand on your shoulder and he's trying to turn,

1266
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: you or he's got a hand underneath under your. Waist

1267
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: like he's still catching all those. Passes so he's not getting,

1268
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: open but he looks. Open how often he's catching. These

1269
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: he's got strung kill so and, look he was a

1270
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: highly ranked wide receiver prospect who went To Ohio, state

1271
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: and obviously he's since become a tight, end so things have.

1272
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: Changed but AGAIN i don't know that G scott's going

1273
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: to make the. TEAM i still think they probably want

1274
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: to blocking third tight, end especially if they're not gonna

1275
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: have a, fallback which we can get.

1276
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 3: To i'm about to get.

1277
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: To but credit where credits? Do if we're everybody was,

1278
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: waiting you, KNOW i keep getting, questions who's third tight,

1279
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: end who's? Emerging who stepped up through seven practices from that? Group, Westover,

1280
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: Bell dupre And. SCOTT i Think scott's been the best.

1281
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: Guy he's been the most. Noticeable James bell had to

1282
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: catch today he. Did it was the first TIME i

1283
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: feel Like i've Said James bell's name are Written James

1284
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: bell's name.

1285
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 3: Down But. Scott IF i had to say who has

1286
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 3: a merger who has flashed the, Most i'm with, YOU

1287
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: i would Say. Scott AND i think, Again dobbs seems

1288
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: to really like throwing, him so we get into these preseason.

1289
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: Games he could be somebody that puts up some.

1290
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: Numbers so you mentioned the full back and we're gonna

1291
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: this is gonna get somber here for a. Second, Yeah so,

1292
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: really it doesn't he get that?

1293
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: Song it's. Upsetting it is, upsetting but it's not it's

1294
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: Still it's not.

1295
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: Forever so The patriots yesterday Plays Brock lampy on injured.

1296
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: Reserve you, know still call Him Spencer. Larson the other

1297
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: DAY i said that To Mike riso is very embarrassed

1298
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: you called Him Spencer. Lars, YEAH i REMEMBER i did,

1299
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: That LIKE i didn't called Make Greece Spencer, lars AND

1300
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: i Called lampy, space which he's not even like the

1301
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: number forty. Six BUT i did that on a show

1302
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: during the off season. TOO i don't know WHY i

1303
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: kept doing.

1304
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: That so The patriots Plays Brock lampy on injured. Reserve

1305
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: his season is.

1306
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: Over, yes it's not the kind of ir you can

1307
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: come back. From he is done for the.

1308
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: Year so The patriots do not have a traditional fullback

1309
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: on the roster. Anymore not to like Gloss over for

1310
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: sucks For, lampy like tough, obviously, yeah because he was

1311
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: gonna make the. Team he was running with the top.

1312
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: Unit he was gonna make the. Team, yeah so stinks For.

1313
00:59:55,560 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: Lampy but just from a moving forward, PERSPECTIVE i have

1314
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: to imagine The patriots are gonna kick the tires at

1315
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: some point. On some full backs Like Mike reese will

1316
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: have a list of like The patriots had five guys

1317
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: in for a workout and four of them will be

1318
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: full backs like or something like, that right, RIGHT i

1319
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: have to imagine that there's Also Hunter brosio, waivers like

1320
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: in roster cut down, day and if a team decides

1321
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 2: that they're not gonna go the full back direction with their,

1322
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: offense like maybe they wave a full back or they

1323
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 2: cut a full back and The patriots sign a full.

1324
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: Back Maybe josh McDaniels Calls Nick casario and begs For Yakub,

1325
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: Johnson LIKE i don't, Know LIKE i think they're gonna

1326
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: pull a full back out of.

1327
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 3: SOMEWHERE i would have to.

1328
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: Imagine it's not like we're asking them to pull a

1329
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: starting left tackle out of, somewhere, Right like this is

1330
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: a full, back They'll it's different in, that like if

1331
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: left tackle gets, hurt you have other left tackles on the,

1332
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: roster and you have to have a left. Tackle it's

1333
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: just hard to imagine they would go From, okay we're

1334
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 2: gonna have a fall back and he's gonna be involves

1335
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 2: and then one guy gets hurt and suddenly you change

1336
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: the entire offense because of. It like you, said you

1337
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: can find a full back that seems easier than changing

1338
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: the Off SO i think, that, uh that they'll find

1339
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: a full back. Elsewhere but for right, now they don't

1340
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: have the full. Back but like you, said they were

1341
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: using a full back up until this, point like the

1342
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: full back was, Involved, yeah meaning Brock lampy was involved

1343
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: up until this. Point one padded practicing out, though is

1344
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: a tough bee for Brock. LAMPY i feel for him,

1345
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: because like you, said he was going to make the. Team, so,

1346
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 2: uh we're on the same page with the full. Back

1347
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: they'll find a full back at some point here in

1348
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: the next, MONTH i would, assume AND i still, believe

1349
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: they'll have a full back on the.

1350
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: Roster.

1351
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: Uh and they'll use a full back, now could A

1352
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: jack West, Over Jean bell G scott, like could they develop.

1353
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: Their H they're, not that's not the guy you want

1354
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: me in the lineback with.

1355
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: You SO i think that they will probably sign another.

1356
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: So back again IF i can make the, pitch And

1357
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: i'm not entirely sure like. It sometimes it's hard to

1358
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: find information on these. Guys he may have gone back to,

1359
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: school but they didn't see him sign. Anywhere. Uh Hunter

1360
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: brosio was not Only North Dakota state's full, back and

1361
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a school to run the damn ball. Right

1362
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: not only was he there starting, fallback he was also

1363
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: An All american long, Snapper so you have your, backup

1364
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: you'd have your, fallback and you'd have a backup long

1365
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: snapper if you need.

1366
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 2: One so that's no comment on. That, No, OKAY i

1367
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: feel like that's a good wrap on the. Offense we

1368
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: have to end a little bit early, today SO i

1369
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: don't want. TO i think we did a good job

1370
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1389
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Speaker 2: Defense SO i said earlier THAT i was small sea

1390
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: concerned About Morgan. MOSES i feel a little bit better after.

1391
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: Today it's it's maybe like it's in like eight point.

1392
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: Font now you know we're really.

1393
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: Small, well the size of the font has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with whether or not letters are capitalized or.

1395
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Speaker 2: Not good, point good, Points BUT i try, to, LIKE

1396
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: i here out a different way to say. It CAN

1397
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: i say that you might be the same WAY a

1398
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:48,479
Speaker 2: little bit About Milton.

1399
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: Williams, yeah, well just one aspect of his. Game SO

1400
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: i still Think Milton. WILLIAMS i mean he's clearly, powerful,

1401
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: explosive quick as a pass, rusher AND i think him

1402
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: And barmore it's clearly Have Kem that's gonna be a

1403
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: ton of fun and this EXPANDS i get it's not

1404
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: so much a concern About Milton, WILLIAMS i, guess as

1405
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: it is their front as a, whole and it's nothing.

1406
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: New we talked about, this. Uh part of getting quicker

1407
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: and faster and more explosive upfront this offseason meant getting.

1408
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: Smaller and this is a team that already struggled to

1409
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: stop the run last. Year So Milton williams did not

1410
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,479
Speaker 1: have a great first few days in pads against the. Runs,

1411
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: specifically it's fine pass. RUSHING i don't think he was

1412
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: great against the. Run and it, was you, know a

1413
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: QUESTION i, had they're going to be smaller. Now Maybe

1414
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: Kyris tonga ends up playing a bigger role THAN i

1415
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: was expecting because it kind of looks like that based

1416
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 1: on what they've, done and he's been really.

1417
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 2: Good he's only done the team that he can eat

1418
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: space like truly eat space Like barmore eats space in

1419
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: his own. Way but if you're really talking about like

1420
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: a space eating nose, tackle It's. Tonga he's one of.

1421
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: One, Yeah roy's done it a little. BIT i don't

1422
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: know he was in with the first team Because barmore was.

1423
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: LIMITED i don't know that he ultimately makes the team

1424
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: when it's all said and. Done BUT i just Look

1425
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: miltwilliams playing a new role. Here he was a situational.

1426
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: Player he was a passing down player In philly because

1427
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: they had all that. Depth never played more than four

1428
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: eight percent of the snaps in his career before coming.

1429
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: Here him and Were able talked about that introductory press

1430
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: Conferce he's gonna play a bigger. Role that means stopping to.

1431
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: Run they need him to be able to stop the.

1432
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: Run so not you, know it's just a few, days

1433
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: plenty of time to turn, around but not a good

1434
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: first couple of days for. HIM i thought on run.

1435
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 3: Defense so your bigger picture concerned about the run defense

1436
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 3: as a. Whole In Milton williams's role in that is

1437
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: is totally.

1438
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: Valid, Yeah i'm not overly shocked that he's not like

1439
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 2: a glitzy practice player because of the style Of russier

1440
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: that he, is Like Melon williams is a speed to power,

1441
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: dent the pocket move the guard type of pass. Rusher,

1442
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 2: Right SO i WHEN i, see, like for, instance when

1443
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: you watch one on, Ones like the fact That Millon

1444
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: williams isn't dominating one on ones is not a surprise

1445
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 2: to me and doesn't worry me at all because it's.

1446
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: Just not the type of pass rusher that he.

1447
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: Is he is somebody that likes to convert speed to

1448
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: power and he wants to go through, people and, like

1449
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: you're not gonna see that unless he puts somebody on his,

1450
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: Butt like you're not gonna see it right in. Drills

1451
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 2: it's just not going to come to fruition the same.

1452
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: Way AND i would also just, say LIKE i think

1453
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: that that's a guy that plays the best when in real,

1454
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: Games LIKE i think he's a game, player not necessarily

1455
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: a practice. Player So i'm not worried About Milon williams

1456
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 2: because of. That BUT i hear what you're saying in

1457
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: general about the defensive line and his role in the run.

1458
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: Defense they are going to you, know he said it.

1459
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: Today this is all about get. Off it's about your

1460
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: first three, Steps like they want to fly up the

1461
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: field off the ball in this. Defense so in a

1462
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: lot of, ways and this is a deuce, Parlance i'll

1463
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: steal it from. Him they are going to stop the

1464
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 2: run on the way to the, quarterback like they are

1465
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: going to fly off the, Ball and the hope is

1466
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 2: is that when they shoot their gun that they shoot

1467
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: it right into the running, back Right, like that's the.

1468
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: Hope but if they don't and they, miss then it's

1469
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 2: going to be a little bit. Leaky, now the one

1470
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: guy that hopefully will prevent it from being too leaky

1471
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: is fourteen standing behind, Them Robert, Splane, like that's going

1472
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 2: to be his job.

1473
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 3: Is to fix.

1474
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 2: It is gonna make them right and put them back

1475
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: into plays and make sure that, those you, know leaky

1476
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: moments don't turn into like fifty yard runs right, right

1477
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: that's gonna be On. Spline but at the same, TIME

1478
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: i don't think that this is gonna be a very stout.

1479
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: Front this is gonna be a splash play.

1480
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: Front so, yeah and you mentioned it Being, Splaine he's

1481
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a big part of. That Where i'm just

1482
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: coming from is LIKE i assuming everybody's, healthy and obviously

1483
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: they're a little banged up in the secondary right, Now

1484
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: but assuming everybody's, Healthy, Gonzales, Davis doug Or Pepper's Joe Marcus,

1485
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,479
Speaker 1: jones AND i get that's an, If but assuming everybody's, healthy,

1486
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: RIGHT i actually think they're gonna be relatively tough to

1487
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: throw the football on between that. Secondary they don't have

1488
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,479
Speaker 1: a great pass, rush but like they've got some dudes

1489
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: up there.

1490
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 3: On, yeah we'll GET i think're gonna be tough.

1491
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: Throw the ball. On what concerns me is that if

1492
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: that's the, case we remember what The jaguars did to

1493
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: them last year In. London All, right we're just gonna

1494
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: run the ball seventeen times in a row and they

1495
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: at least need to be good enough to deter. That

1496
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: that's the baseline for.

1497
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: Me it's fair moving to the, addressers as you just mentioned,

1498
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: him is it fair to say That Kalvon chason has

1499
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: been the best defender In patriots training.

1500
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: CAMP i think you could argue he's been the best

1501
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: player on the field since The pats came. On he's

1502
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: been saying.

1503
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 3: That, YEAH i think that there's a good argument for

1504
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 3: that as.

1505
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: Well he's it's beyond flashing at this. Point it's like

1506
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 2: he's just in the backfield every other. Play now you

1507
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: could look at that, again you could look at the

1508
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: negative side of that and, say, well who's blocking? Him

1509
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 2: then you, know like what's going on with the offensive.

1510
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: Line BUT i Think chason's just been, Great LIKE i

1511
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: think he's just been, explosive and he's you, know fits

1512
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: this scheme really well and he looks at home in.

1513
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 2: It you, know this is a guy who's a former

1514
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: first round. Pick AND i went through it this morning

1515
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i was trying to jog my memory of his.

1516
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: Career he was drafted by The jaguars in twenty twenty

1517
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: in the first. Round that Was Doug morons last. Year

1518
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 2: Doug maroons here, now So i'll be gentle with What

1519
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: i'm about to. Say they won one. Game let's just

1520
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: stick to the. Facts they won one. Game it wasn't

1521
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: a good. Season the next year Was Trevor lawrence's rookie.

1522
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: Year it was The myer year In, jacksonville train, wreck

1523
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 2: right for the entire. Organization then he played on Some

1524
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: Doug peterson. Teams he goes To carolina for a. Year

1525
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 2: then he goes last year To vegas where he had

1526
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: like a josh U ja type season right where, like,

1527
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 2: yeah he's playing Opposite Max, crosby takes advantage of some,

1528
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: matchups he racks up from, sacks things like. That but

1529
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: there's still a first round talent in there, somewhere and

1530
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 2: it is there a Chance And i'm not saying he's

1531
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: going to turn into like a three down game, wrecker

1532
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 2: Like i'm keeping it within reason, here but is there

1533
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: a chance that he's like a really really good player

1534
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: in his role With BIG, t With Terrell, williams With Mike,

1535
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: rabel with a scheme that fits, him with the coaching

1536
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: staff that knows what it's. Doing, Like i'm just saying

1537
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: that he hasn't had the easiest road in THE nfl

1538
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: to this. Point he hasn't been on the best, teams

1539
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: and he hasn't had the easiest. Road so maybe at

1540
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 2: this Point Calebon chason can kind of find himself in

1541
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: THE nfl with The patriots because he's just looked, Terrific

1542
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:00,719
Speaker 2: like there's no other, way.

1543
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: And this is the coaching staff that's had success kind

1544
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: of turning these guys. Around he's still, Young he've an

1545
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: he's been in the leagues in twenty. Twenty he's only twenty,

1546
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:11,839
Speaker 1: Six SO i don't know that they Found Miles garrett

1547
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: out of, nowhere but, yeah if he can be a

1548
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: more productive pass rusher and kind of play up a

1549
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: little closer to that. Traffic it'd be. GREAT i think

1550
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: there is some Josh uche there where it's gonna come

1551
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: in spurts and you look at the flashes and you,

1552
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: say how real is? This like let's say he had

1553
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: like a twelve sax, season, right how quickly are people

1554
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: going to start talking About Mark anderson and THAT i

1555
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: would Take Mark.

1556
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: Anderson he's absolutely so weird that you just said, that

1557
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 2: because the first name that came to my mind WHEN

1558
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 2: i was like doing some research On chase on this

1559
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: morning was, like is he gonna be like A Andre

1560
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: Carter Mark anderson, type right that like comes to The

1561
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: patriots for a year and has DOUBLE?

1562
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 1: Digitsudt it Was Mark anderson had twelve sacks as a.

1563
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: Rookie, yeah Like Mark anderson, Had is the exact comp

1564
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: THAT i was thinking, of like the exact kind of

1565
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 2: player like?

1566
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: Everything, yeah, no if He BUT i would take A

1567
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: Mark anderson in year just let The bills be the

1568
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: ones to pay him after, Again BUT i would take

1569
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: A Mark anderson.

1570
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: Here but the point being With chase on AND i

1571
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 2: had the same point With landry in terms of The

1572
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: Mark anderson, stuff like If Keon white In barmore And

1573
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: Milon williams are moving the quarterback off the spot because

1574
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 2: they're just disrupting and they're just wrecking stuff in the

1575
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 2: interior and bodies are flying. Around we've talked about they

1576
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 2: need somebody to, finish, Right they needed somebody that's actually

1577
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: going to get the quarterback on the. Ground and there's

1578
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: NO i have no reason to believe that that can't be.

1579
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: Chasing, YEAH i think he can be a. Finisher it's

1580
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: been encouraging. Storry then the real next test for him

1581
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: is gonna be those joint, Practices like let's, See i'm

1582
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: not exactly putting in the ticket for Calebon chase On

1583
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,879
Speaker 1: Defensive player of The year just, yet but it's.

1584
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 3: Been can you clean? Up that's?

1585
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: It you, know of all their free agent, signings that

1586
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: was not a guy that was like particularly high on

1587
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: my radar of, like, oh you, know maybe potential breakout

1588
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: guy could be a. Steal not THAT i thought he's gonna.

1589
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: SUCK i just he. Wasn't he kind of flew under

1590
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: the radar there in free. Agency he's been their best

1591
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: free agent edition so far in camp Maybe Robert. Splane

1592
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: he's also been really, good just not by the nature

1593
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: of his, position not the same number of impact plays

1594
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: because the way they play in. Practice but, boy if

1595
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: he's a fine that changes a.

1596
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: Lot it's just if he's the fourth guy like you

1597
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: said about you know oocha and those types of, comps

1598
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: like if you have to worry About Milon, williams you

1599
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 2: have to worry About, barmore you have to worry About Keon.

1600
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: White if those guys are worth worrying, about right those.

1601
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: ARE i don't know if like all three of them

1602
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: will Be tuesday players, truly but like they're their. Guys

1603
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: teams are scouting and having plans for that leaves. It you,

1604
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: know we've talked About landry in that role as well.

1605
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 2: Before but that fourth, rusher you, know whether It's chason

1606
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 2: or It's, Landry like that guy is gonna just see

1607
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 2: one on ones on the back side of the formation all,

1608
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 2: day every, Day Like chaison's is gonna get a one

1609
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: on one against the tackle and if he wins his

1610
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 2: one on, one then he's gonna get a bunch of.

1611
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 2: Sacks like that's just the nature of the beast, there

1612
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 2: AND i don't have any reason to believe that he

1613
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: can't do. That so he's been incite. Exciting he's been

1614
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: one of the best players on the, field like you,

1615
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 2: said for The patriots through seven. PRACTICES i initially wrote

1616
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 2: That swinson's been, quiet but he had the one on one,

1617
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: today so credit to him. THERE i actually Think Elijah

1618
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: ponders had some flashes and one on The, yeah he's

1619
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: been doing well on. That so those two, Rookies, uh

1620
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 2: coming on a little bit. Here swinston's been quiet up until,

1621
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 2: today BUT i thought today was one of his better

1622
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 2: days at.

1623
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 3: LINEBACKER i, mean there's not.

1624
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 2: A ton to say other than you, KNOW i Think

1625
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 2: Robert splaine is obviously locked. IN i Think Christian ellis

1626
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 2: is pretty locked into the spot next to him at this.

1627
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: Point If Gilyant devi is not out, there he's on

1628
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: the pup, list so that that's a. Factor but maybe

1629
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: we hear a little bit From Jack gibbons as well

1630
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: as like, where yeah.

1631
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: He's at the, screen Yeah. LARUS i mean he got

1632
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: to the. Ball he got he got To larison before

1633
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: the ball did From dobbs like he read. It, so,

1634
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: Uh Lane, larrison just to, Backtrack Land larrison caught his

1635
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: first pass From drake main teams. Today there you. GO

1636
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: i don't know if you put any weight in. That

1637
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: but that, Happened that did.

1638
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: Happen it was a nice little screen too good blocking

1639
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 2: Hunter henry.

1640
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,879
Speaker 1: AND I i did a LITTLE udfa checking in my notebook.

1641
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: Today very, nice uh.

1642
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 2: Aside from like the occasional one like the one today

1643
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 2: For laris and just quick, ASIDE i think the least

1644
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 2: successful plays in practices of screens LIKE i feel like.

1645
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 3: The defense never, bites the defense never.

1646
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: Cares there's no reason of biting this.

1647
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 2: Right there's no reason to bite in the setting is exactly.

1648
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 2: Right and The patriots obviously want to have the screen

1649
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: game be a big part of the. Offense i'm not anti.

1650
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 2: Screen some people are anti. Screen i'm not anti. SCREEN

1651
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 2: i think a lot of really good teams. Screen you,

1652
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,440
Speaker 2: know The eagles and The chiefs said The, chiefs Especially

1653
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: Andy reid is like a screen game, wizard, Right he's.

1654
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: Probably the best at.

1655
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: It The chiefs are always near the top of the

1656
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: league in screen usage and there if it's good enough

1657
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: for The, chiefs and it's good enough for everybody in my,

1658
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 2: mind BUT i feel like they never work.

1659
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 1: In but they're not not working because they're designed. Poorly

1660
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 1: they're not working its.

1661
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 3: Work the defense doesn't bite on, him.

1662
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: Right because there's no reason. To you don't want to

1663
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: get caught out of position to, like there's no upside to.

1664
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 4: Not.

1665
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1666
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah so at, corner we know That Christian gonzales And

1667
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 2: Carlton davis are missing in and out of, practice maintenance

1668
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call. It For Carlton davis And

1669
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: gonzales reportedly has the. Hamstring my concern level For Christian

1670
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: gonzalez is less than. ZERO i am absolutely not worried

1671
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 2: about his hamstring injury at. All, uh as far As i'm,

1672
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 2: concerned And i'll continue to SAY i said this yesterday

1673
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 2: ON PU i will See Christian gonzales week one Against

1674
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, raiders AND i do not care if he

1675
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 2: practices one more time in the.

1676
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: Summer, yeah they can take their.

1677
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 3: Time, Yeah i'll see it against.

1678
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: The keep that same energy With Jason.

1679
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 3: Tatum, uh that's.

1680
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: Different, no it's. Not, no it's really. Not it's.

1681
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 3: Different it's basketball against. Football it's totally.

1682
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: Different it's it's the star, player it's the best player

1683
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: on the, team it's the guy wearing number.

1684
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 2: Zero BUT i said that he can't miss any regular

1685
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 2: season games if he starts to miss regular season games

1686
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: also have to be worried about.

1687
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 3: It For Christian, Gonzalez i'm.

1688
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: Just, saying keep that, patience keep that patience.

1689
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: Out Jason, Tatim but more importantly from a camp, perspective

1690
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: Because gonzales And davis have been, out which is an, Ideal,

1691
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: like no one's saying that that's what they want to,

1692
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 2: happen but we have seen opportunities from the depth corners

1693
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 2: and we're starting to figure out this depth chart and

1694
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 2: cipher through. This So, Alex, Austin, Marcella's dial AND Dj

1695
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 2: james are obviously the guys that are benefiting the most from.

1696
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 3: This what have you seen from those? Three, like who

1697
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 3: have you liked the most out of that?

1698
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: GROUP i Mean AUSTIN'S i think the third, Guy like

1699
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: that's pretty, clear and he's been good to another couple

1700
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: of pass breakups. TODAY Dj james been. IMPRESSIVE Dj james

1701
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: has just shown up and he seems like he makes

1702
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: a player two every. DAY i think he's been the

1703
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: better of the two Than. Dial, Now die was a

1704
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: core special teamer for them last, year so you have

1705
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: to factor that in in terms of Can james replace

1706
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: him in that? Role because somebody else replacement that role

1707
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: and want to keep them for special. Teams maybe they

1708
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: can keep bold excuse, me depending on how the rest

1709
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 1: of the roster shakes. Out but he's been. GOOD i

1710
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: am a little surprised you haven't seen More Isaiah, bolden

1711
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: Like i'd like him to Get it's in what is

1712
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: his three years? Now of can we see some more

1713
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: From Isaiah? Bolden and they haven't done a ton of

1714
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: kick RETURN i don't think he's really done much when

1715
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: they have done kick return, Stuff so he might be

1716
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: on the outside looking. In But i've been impressed WITH Dj,

1717
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: James SO D.

1718
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 3: J james have been, active you, know lock pass.

1719
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: Breakups MARCELLO'S i don't know If marcelli's dial is the

1720
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 2: best outside corner in terms of coverage, Ability LIKE i

1721
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 2: don't know if he's a true cover, corner BUT i

1722
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: do like his, physicality AND i like his play, demeanor

1723
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 2: AND i like his, speed AND i like his tackling.

1724
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: Ability Is marcella's dial maybe more like a nickel safety

1725
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: at this level than like an outside boundary corner like

1726
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 2: it plays in the slot plays maybe a little bit of.

1727
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 2: Safety he made some plays on the first day at

1728
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: pads against the, run that like really stood, out, like,

1729
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 2: yeah firing, downhill you, know filling, gaps filling you, know

1730
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 2: whole going through wide receivers who are trying to block

1731
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 2: him and just going right through him to the. Football

1732
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: SO i wonder If Marcella's, dial BECAUSE i don't think

1733
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: he's the. BEST i don't think he's the best cover,

1734
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: Corner LIKE i when he has to turn his back

1735
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: to the quarterback and really run with the receiver down the,

1736
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: Field i'm not sure that that's where he's more most.

1737
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 2: Comfortable but if he plays that nickel spot and he

1738
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 2: can play the, run he can be strong, side you,

1739
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 2: know edge, setter second force defender against the, run and

1740
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: then you also have him and maybe cover some tight

1741
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 2: ends which might be easier for, him you, know do

1742
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: some zone drops and things like. That like maybe that's

1743
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 2: a role For marcello's don because his physicality.

1744
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 3: And his tackling is is. Noticeable he's really good in.

1745
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 2: That you see on special, teams, right you see it

1746
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: in special. Teams SO i would Say, Dial BUT i

1747
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: understand why you picked Out james, There and it's also

1748
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 2: just Something i've been thinking about. It we don't have

1749
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 2: enough time for it, today but it's something to unpack

1750
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: in the, future just like how they're going to cover

1751
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 2: tight ends in, General i'm just not one hundred percent sure,

1752
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: about AND i don't know of dial factors into that

1753
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 2: we'll see at. SAFETY i just think the biggest thing

1754
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 2: to take away from safety is the hunt for a

1755
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: third safety is, on like they're trying to find the

1756
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: right combination back. There AND i would even go as

1757
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 2: far to say at, times like it might mean That

1758
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: Kyle dugger And Jabil peppers aren't on the field together

1759
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 2: all the. Time that could be a case where if

1760
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: they want to get three corners on the field and

1761
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: they want to be like a true three Corner nickel

1762
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 2: or even like a four corner dime or something like,

1763
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: that like they might play one of these more free

1764
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: safety body types like An EPs Or hawkins Or woodson

1765
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 2: With dugger Or peppers and take one of those guys

1766
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 2: off the. Field LIKE i don't think it's a guarantee

1767
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: that the two of them are gonna just be on

1768
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 2: the field all the, Time so we'll see where that.

1769
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 2: Goes but the third safety is clearly something they're looking,

1770
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 2: for like they're trying to figure out their best combination back.

1771
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: There, YEAH i, Mean hawkins seems to be squarely in the.

1772
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: MIX i feel like we've seen less Of Marcus EPs

1773
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: after the first couple of. Days maybe that's because he's

1774
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: still recovering from THE acl and the pads coming on

1775
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: and all THAT i had. Cited Maybe Craig woodson is

1776
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: that that tight end stop or he's kind of dropped

1777
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: off after he had a strong. Spring, so, yeah the

1778
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: search for that guy. Continues, YEAH i don't know if

1779
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: they have that. Guy, yeah they might not have.

1780
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 3: It they might not have.

1781
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: Him BUT i have noticed quite a few times, that

1782
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: especially if they're doing like third, down when they're repping third,

1783
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: down That peppers And dugger haven't always been out there.

1784
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: Together like it's sometimes it's Been, epp sometimes it's Been,

1785
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 2: woodson like it's been another guy that they're trying to

1786
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 2: get into their safety involved. There All, right to wrap this,

1787
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 2: up it's your time to. Shine, Yep i'm Gonna i'm

1788
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 2: gonna hand the ball over to. You the ball is

1789
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: now in your. Court tell me about The, kickers because

1790
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 2: my one question about The. Kickers, yeah Has Parker romo

1791
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 2: just take away that they Drafted borgolas and all that.

1792
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: Stuff if you take away all the, context Has Parker

1793
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: romo Outperformed Andy burgalas to this, Point.

1794
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean by a slim. Margin, well so are

1795
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: we concluding the spring or? Not if we include the,

1796
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: SPRING i still Think borgolis is. Ahead romo has been

1797
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: slightly better in. CAMP i think it's pretty much. Even.

1798
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: OKAY i think not including the draft and tie is

1799
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: going to go to the draft pick, right, Correct so

1800
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: not including the draft pick factor and, EVERYTHING i would

1801
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: say going back to the, spring it's a. Tie. OKAY

1802
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: i do think it's interesting that After borgolis struggled with them,

1803
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: alternating they went to two. Days, Okay romo's gonna kick

1804
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: six and that's, it and Then borgolis is gonna kick

1805
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: six and that's. It and then they went back to alternating.

1806
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: Today so a little bit of a. Reset the end

1807
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 1: stadium On friday is obviously a, big big one for.

1808
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: THIS i Asked Bryce baringer about That Quinn nordin the

1809
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: Quin it's where were you Moment Quinn nordin's nine for

1810
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 1: nine in the end stadium. Practice we also remember where we.

1811
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 2: Were we're gonna name A Quinn ordine award on the

1812
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 2: show next. Week that's gonna be whoever won the in

1813
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: stadium practice for the.

1814
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: Kickers that might just be the annual The Quinn ordine.

1815
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: Winner but, yeah, no it's. BEEN i think that the

1816
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: other factor in this that you have to mention IS

1817
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: i think That Julian ashby And Bryce beringer are still

1818
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: building some chemistry as the snapper and. Holder punt snaps

1819
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: have been, fine the field goal snaps are still. There

1820
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: hasn't been any truly bad, snaps but there's still some

1821
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: where you, Know berenger's reaching a little bit to get

1822
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: it down and that can impact. It so the operation

1823
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: as a whole is still coming. Together BUT i think

1824
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: it's relatively neck. Connect but Again ty goes to the draft.

1825
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: Picks so IF i had a pick, today It's. PORGALIS

1826
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: i Think porgallis is going to have that kind of

1827
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: slight built in. Advantage but we thought it was over

1828
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the, spring, right And romo's come

1829
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: back and he's had a great hand of the thing

1830
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: About romo is the way he hits the. BALL i,

1831
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: mean even when he's hitting from forty, five he's not

1832
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: just getting over the crossbar it's not lightly tapping that

1833
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: field goal, net, Right he's hammering the crap out of the,

1834
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: ball and that conna be good and. Bad. Right it

1835
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: obviously helps you in, weather it helps you in, wind

1836
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: you stick to your. Trajectory but those, guys when you

1837
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: kick that, hard your mechanics really have to be down

1838
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: because any minor issue in the mechanics is going to

1839
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: be you, know, uh it's gonna have more of an

1840
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: effect if you have a mistake because you're swinging so.

1841
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: Hard so that's About. Romo borgalis had that rough first.

1842
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: Day he's been good since you see him bounce.

1843
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 3: Back what do you make of? Him is something that

1844
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 3: we've talked.

1845
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 1: About yeah'm.

1846
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 2: Puh we've noticed that Sometimes borgalis's kicks are not in

1847
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 2: like they're not going end over. It, yeah they're kind

1848
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 2: of they're. Knuckleballs what do you make of?

1849
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: That if they go through ultimately it doesn't. Matter he's

1850
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: had a couple so the ones going back to the,

1851
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: spring like he had a mishit where it was still

1852
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: good but it just didn't hit his foot, right WHICH

1853
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: i think when you can mishit, it it still goes.

1854
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,799
Speaker 1: Through that to the opposite that speaks to how strong

1855
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: your mechanics are that even if one thing's a little bit,

1856
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: off the rest of it's still tied together and you're

1857
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: in good. SHAPE i think that's just a consistency. Thing

1858
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: they might be working on his form a little, bit

1859
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 1: so that's why that's. Happening Like, romo if they were

1860
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: going to tweak his, form they probably did it last

1861
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 1: year when he was here on the practice. Squad it's

1862
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: not something they'd be working, ON i would think heavily right.

1863
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: Now call us obviously that's another. Story so as long

1864
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: as they're going, through it's not a big. Issue but

1865
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: it does tell you that there's something he's maybe working on.

1866
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 2: Mechanically so you feel, like as of right now that

1867
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: it's close enough that the tie goes to the draft.

1868
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 3: Picks, yes, Yeah i'm with you on. THAT i feel

1869
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: the same. Way, so but it's not.

1870
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 2: Over it's not over in stadium, practice preseason games that

1871
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 2: those are all big.

1872
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: Deals so that, position it'll be interesting seeing who they

1873
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: have kicking the games and how many reps each guy

1874
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 1: gets in the, games so that's usually pretty.

1875
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: Telling, yeah all, right so that's your run through the entire.

1876
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: Roster hope you enjoyed. It we have a couple more,

1877
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 2: minutes So i'm going to tell you. What we have

1878
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: three callers that've been waiting on hold.

1879
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 3: For a really long.

1880
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 2: Time but you guys got to be fast because we

1881
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: we got to get off your no pleasant another show

1882
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 2: on this in the, Studio so be as quickly as you.

1883
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Can if you're still hanging on, Here patty and Agu,

1884
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 2: on what's Up, Patty.

1885
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 4: I'm still hanging, on, Hey. Evan i'll tell you WHAT

1886
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 4: i was ahead of the curve WHEN i thought WHEN

1887
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 4: i asked you, GUYS i au if you guys were

1888
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 4: excited About Jared wolfson coming back that he was on you,

1889
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 4: know he didn't practice on the, spring and if you

1890
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 4: guys thought he would want a starting, job guys kind

1891
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 4: of tempered those, expectations but now those those are full.

1892
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 4: Fledged so on that same, token AND i Know i'm

1893
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 4: looking far, ahead why not Put Christian gondals on Brock

1894
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 4: powers in week? One that makes the most sense to

1895
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 4: me because if you look at their skill position, players

1896
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 4: there's nobody that really as a game breaker other Than.

1897
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 4: Bowers that's ALL i. Got i'll take it out, there, Thanks.

1898
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: Patty SO i agree with you THAT i think it's

1899
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: in play that one of the corners takes Brock, powers

1900
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 2: especially on third.

1901
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 3: Down i'm with. YOU i Think Carlton, davis long, arms physical.

1902
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 3: GUY i think he's more of a pure matchup for.

1903
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 3: That BUT i will what one hundred, PERCENT i almost

1904
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 3: expect him third, down, pass third and. PASS i expect

1905
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 3: one Of gonzales Or davis to be On. BOWERS i

1906
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 3: expect him to treat him as a basically as a wide.

1907
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 3: Receiver riley is In. Phoenix what's? Up?

1908
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: Riley hey, guys how's it going?

1909
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 3: Good?

1910
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 4: Hey so two quick. Questions i'm not sure if you.

1911
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: Already they're not my work, here so trying and.

1912
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 4: Do my best to keep. Up but what are we

1913
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 4: seen With Marcus epps And Marty.

1914
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 2: Maphu, yeah thanks for the, Call. Riley so he Mentioned

1915
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 2: depp's a little. Bit he's been in that third safety

1916
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: free safety. MIX i don't think that's necessarily a role

1917
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 2: where you're gonna see a lot of splash plays from that.

1918
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: Position it's more of Like Toron harmon be in the

1919
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 2: right spot kind of. Role but That's, epps map who's

1920
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: been playing linebacker a. Lot would for now with the

1921
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 2: second unit at, times but mainly THAT i would say,

1922
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 2: that you, Know toby is not out, there so it's

1923
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 2: hard to, say you, know If tavai was, here would

1924
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 2: it Be gibbins And, tavai you, know as the next

1925
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 2: two right on the field instead Of gibbons And. Mapu

1926
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 2: but that's where they're. Repping at Least mapu made some

1927
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 2: plays against.

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01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: The run the other.

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01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,839
Speaker 2: DAY i marked him down for a couple of, stuffs

1930
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 2: so he was in there a few. Times BUT i

1931
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 2: wouldn't say either one of those guys has like, flashed you,

1932
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 2: know to a point Where i'm like talking about.

1933
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: Him he still feels like he's probably on the on the. Bubble,

1934
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: yeah and Then epps's had played enough THAT i think

1935
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna make the, team but, yeah he hasn't necessarily

1936
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: had any big standout.

1937
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 3: Place All, Right randy is In. Providence what's, Up randy going?

1938
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: Once?

1939
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 2: Randy All, RIGHT i left those guys on hole for

1940
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 2: like over an, hour So i'm not. Surprised all, Right

1941
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 2: so that's gonna do it for today's. SHOW a little

1942
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: bit of an abbreviated episode today Because alex is just

1943
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 2: he's just a popular, guy like we just have to

1944
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: compete for his time this time of, year and that's

1945
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 2: hard to.

1946
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Speaker 3: Do so we all have a.

1947
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: Job we all have jobs we have to.

1948
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Speaker 3: Do, yeah that's.

1949
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 2: Fair next week we are going to be On. Thursday

1950
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: the next two, weeks, actually we're gonna be On thursday

1951
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 2: because of the joint practices that are coming. Up we

1952
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 2: wanted to do the one In. Minnesota we wanted to

1953
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 2: do it On thursday so that we can talk about

1954
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 2: both days of practice instead of just one day of.

1955
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 2: Practice and then next week again we have to Share

1956
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 2: barth with the sports of his day job at, least

1957
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 2: so we're gonna do the show On thursday for the

1958
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 2: next couple of. Weeks so we'll be On thursdays for

1959
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 2: the next two weeks After Patriots, unfiltered so two to

1960
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 2: four ish for the next couple of weeks. There but

1961
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 2: we'll keep you guys updated on all that good stuff

1962
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 2: on socials and On patriots dot com and YouTube and

1963
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 2: all those good. Things so you'll be updated on the

1964
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 2: times in the, days but for the next two weeks

1965
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 2: it'll Be, thursday Not. Wednesday but until, then signing off

1966
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 2: For Alex bart For alex behind The, glass we'll see

1967
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: you guys Next.

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Speaker 1: Thursday, hey this is. Deuced thanks for tuning into the.

1969
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1970
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1972
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1973
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1974
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