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Speaker 1: As you know, they had a boycott of Target people

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Speaker 1: all across the country or boycotting Target.

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Speaker 2: Target is one of several companies that has scaled back

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Speaker 2: DEI efforts following orders to do so from the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: It is not because of terrorifts. It is because of

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Speaker 1: the power of black unification.

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Speaker 3: Taking our people from Target to Costco is not a

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Speaker 3: win because you're taking them from Target, who exploited their

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Speaker 3: black dollar, and you now give them to another corporation

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Speaker 3: that's going to exploit their black dots.

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Speaker 1: What they should have done with their influence is they

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Speaker 1: should have I want to get you and Candice Ons

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Speaker 2: Put on the stage whatever you wanted to be, and

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Speaker 2: I will conduct the intellectual execution. A black woman giving

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Speaker 2: her vagina to a caucasion is an insult to the ancestors.

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Speaker 2: You went outside the community for your mate, and I

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Speaker 2: got to ask you why, and I'm going to have

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Speaker 2: some follow up questions. You're not going to convince me

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Speaker 2: that your Doors Sanders was the one hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: fourth best player. He was five guaranteed, not just your door.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the Colorado players went lower than they

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Speaker 2: should have, and.

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Speaker 3: You know what they say that Donald Trump is making

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Speaker 3: it popular to be publicly racist. It is this that

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Speaker 3: gave birth to a Marcus Golf. It is this that

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Speaker 3: gave birth to a Frederick Duck. Let's get an army

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Speaker 3: of slaves defeated the greatest general the white man ever had.

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Speaker 3: So when I tell you, America wouldn't be America without

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Speaker 3: black people, America wouldn't be America without blackness.

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Speaker 1: The thing.

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Speaker 4: If you ain't talking no door to name in. Look,

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Speaker 4: they say, this guys the limb, and I'm going farther

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Speaker 4: than that. She get doing on my phone, So I

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Speaker 4: called it on, Mama, come and get your daughter back.

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Speaker 4: They just want a little better than get them boys

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Speaker 4: wag or what lew.

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Speaker 1: And I boys sha brain, but get all that. They said,

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Speaker 1: this guy's the limb.

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Speaker 4: I'm going fall though they can try to but can't kim.

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Speaker 4: I'm bad.

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Speaker 1: I just bought it life as in did.

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Speaker 4: Decide come with that auto?

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Speaker 2: You lazy?

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Speaker 1: The reason you broke you don't know how to hustle

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Speaker 1: it red.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking to the bullets as bull because he never

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Speaker 4: felt want to stick into the wilds and nail gun right,

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Speaker 4: Doug on a nail.

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Speaker 3: Something much respect to Pastor Jamal Bryant, much respect to

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Speaker 3: Reverend Sharpton. As you know, they had a boycott of Target. Yes,

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Speaker 3: nothing was wrong with that because Target needed to know

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Speaker 3: you don't mistreat black people.

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Speaker 1: Still get our money.

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Speaker 3: And as a result of that boycott, Target has lost

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Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of dollars. They on the Day on Life.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: So the reactionary intervention by Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton,

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Speaker 3: I support it. Target need to be taught a lesson

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Speaker 3: my constructive criticism because I respect them, my constructive criticism

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Speaker 3: for both gentlemen. You gave us the reactionary that's the boycott,

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Speaker 3: but now you got to do something proactionary that benefits

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Speaker 3: black people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, where is that.

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Speaker 3: Taking our people from Target to Costco is not a

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Speaker 3: win because you're taking them from Target, who exploited that

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Speaker 3: that's going.

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Speaker 1: To exploit that black dollar. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, what they should have done, and this is

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Speaker 3: why black leadership gets criticized. What they should have done

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Speaker 3: with their influence is they should have created a megamart

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Speaker 3: for the black community. Our Sharpton has the following Pastor

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Speaker 3: Jamal Bryant has the following, why not come together and

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Speaker 3: give our people a black alternative? Why are we leaving

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Speaker 3: our people choosing between two white alternatives, neither of which

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Speaker 3: really gives a damn? So we broke target, no problem.

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Speaker 3: I stand with you. But now we're going to go

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Speaker 3: in Rich Costco. What are they doing so great that

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Speaker 3: is the black alternative? And this is why LOOM people

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Speaker 3: criticize black leadership because we're always good on the boycotting,

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Speaker 3: we're always good on the protesting, we're always good on

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Speaker 3: the embargos. But when it comes time to take that

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Speaker 3: energy and turn it into something constructive and progressive for

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Speaker 3: black people, you never see any solutions. I give you

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Speaker 3: another one. After every police underliving of a defenseless black person,

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Speaker 3: we had a what riot.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we tore.

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Speaker 3: Down the institutions that supported police genocide, right, that's good.

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Speaker 3: But after we tore down them institutions, did we come

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Speaker 3: back into our community and build anything for the people.

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Speaker 3: Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton need to build something for

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Speaker 3: the people and not just we direct our dollar from

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Speaker 3: one white corporation to the next. I like what they did,

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Speaker 3: but that was reactionary. Necessary, but it was reactionary. Where

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Speaker 3: are their proactive solutions? Institutions are half of the solution

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Speaker 3: for you cooking today.

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Speaker 1: That's a damn good point because that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of him Trump taking some of these statues that

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Speaker 1: I've also seen a black statue of a black woman,

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Speaker 3: In Times Times I saw the statue. Some people think

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Speaker 3: it's harmless. I don't, and I'm gonna tell you why.

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Speaker 3: Symbolic artwork is usually focused on representing the best of

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Speaker 1: Are you following me?

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Speaker 3: If if we had a museum with multiple pieces of

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Speaker 1: You want to know why. It's one of many peaces, right,

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Speaker 1: But for.

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Speaker 3: You to put what I believe is the first ever

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Speaker 3: statue of a black woman in tom Square, Why wasn't

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Speaker 3: it of a black female celebrity. Why wasn't it of

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Speaker 3: a black woman with her king supporting her. Why wasn't

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Speaker 3: it of a black inventor female? We have many Why

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Speaker 3: wasn't it of a black doctor, black engineer, black business owner.

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Speaker 3: Why was it of a single black woman? Was her

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Speaker 3: hand on her hips? I don't even remember single black woman.

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Speaker 3: Look it up real quick, see if the hand look

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Speaker 3: up that picture was the hands on the hips. She

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Speaker 3: was not professionally dressed. She was extremely casual, slightly overweight,

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Speaker 3: braids in her hair. Definitely didn't look like somebody on

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Speaker 3: their way to operate their own business. Was a hands

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Speaker 3: when a black woman in hands is on her hips? Stereotypically,

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Speaker 3: that's the sassy mama. Look, that's the independent. I'm on welfare,

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Speaker 3: I don't have a husband, I might have multiple kids.

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Speaker 1: Complaining, whining masculine.

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Speaker 3: That was an insult to Black female integrity and dignity.

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Speaker 3: That did not represent the great divine feminine at all.

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Speaker 3: That was an insult, my brother, that was an insult. Wow,

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Speaker 3: you have too many black women doing too many great things.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you an example of why I consider

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Speaker 3: that an insult. Black women are the most educated population

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Speaker 3: in America, right, the most educated. Why not at least

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Speaker 3: put a book bag on her back. Black women are

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Speaker 3: the most educated population in America. Keep the same outfit.

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Speaker 3: Put a book bag on her back. Do you know

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Speaker 3: what you're saying now, lun she's a student, she might

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Speaker 3: only be twenty, she might only be twenty one. She

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Speaker 3: might not have a job, which is cool, but she's

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Speaker 3: on her way. Why not put a book back to

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Speaker 3: show Black women are the most educated group?

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Speaker 1: Uh uh? I want to show a single quote unquote

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Speaker 1: independent black woman who can't find a man or a job.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to show.

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Speaker 3: That was an insul art is supposed to represent the

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Speaker 3: greatness of a people, the greatness of a people, like

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Speaker 3: I said, loan. If it was multiple pieces, it would

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Speaker 3: have been. Okay, that's one statue.

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Speaker 1: Standalone in Time Square, a business district. You put that

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Speaker 1: in the wealthiest business district on the planet Earth.

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Speaker 3: You put a statue of an unemployed black woman, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to say nothing about it. First of all,

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Speaker 3: do we know who put that up there? Was that

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Speaker 3: the city? Was that a donation? Was that a local

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Speaker 3: university lecture?

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Speaker 1: Intentionally unassumed? Because I want to know under what premises?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Is it temporary? Is it permanent? What is it that

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Speaker 1: I didn't understand, and that's the whole thing is, like,

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Speaker 1: what's your purpose? What's God doing? Insult have been displayed

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Speaker 1: in the same city where a contingous moment, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: say who. As the conversation intensified, criticism has emerged from

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Speaker 1: several angles, from those seeking to preserve the county's historical

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Speaker 1: monuments and from people wondering if the peace employed stereotypical imagery,

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Speaker 1: from critics calling the message ham fisted, but social media

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Speaker 1: has been overrun with commoners, often anonymous, hurling over racists

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Speaker 1: and sexist terms. The piece Grounded in the Stars was

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Speaker 1: produced in twenty twenty three by Thomas J. Price, a

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Speaker 1: London based ope sure whose work in recent years has

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Speaker 1: directly Google his name.

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Speaker 3: Google his name and put London based sculpt the Thomas Price,

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Speaker 3: London based sculptor and see if you can hit images

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Speaker 3: and see if you see his face and the reason

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Speaker 3: I'm asking you to see what race he was. Most

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Speaker 3: of the statues in this country loan of great black

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Speaker 3: heroes are made by non black artists. They do not

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Speaker 3: let our people create and craft our own heroes.

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Speaker 1: I want to know if he was white or black.

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Speaker 1: It's not show him here's some more. If you hit

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Speaker 1: a hit image, does his face come up?

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Speaker 3: They're showing more of his works. I wonder what he is.

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Speaker 3: Either way, it was unacceptable. He is black. Okay, he's black.

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Speaker 1: Let me see him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not gonna knock him per se. It looks

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Speaker 3: like he has several works. My question is why did

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Speaker 3: they choose that that one? Yeah, that's still a thing.

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Speaker 1: Respected him and his creativity was what they all the

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Speaker 1: wealthy times to use us and and missteps we may

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Speaker 1: have made or misrepresentations that they can now redefine right

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Speaker 1: and use that against us and say what he madely

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Speaker 1: we didn't do. Y'all male wy Symbols rule the world. Brother.

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Speaker 1: Every memory in your head is a symbol. Your brain

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Speaker 1: don't store information in its symbols. White Jesus symbol. Look

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Speaker 1: at that symbol. What is that telling Black girls when

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Speaker 4: What is that?

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Speaker 3: Look at all the black female entrepreneurs we have. You

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Speaker 3: couldn't have put them up there. You know how many?

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Speaker 3: Do you realize how many different representations of black women?

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Speaker 1: I can brainstorm right now, and that's what you give me.

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Speaker 1: And the wealthiest business district of the planet. That's an insult.

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Speaker 1: They can do that to anybody they feel. I'm almost

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Speaker 1: certain they're coming for that. I'm almost I'm almost certain.

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Speaker 3: It makes sense because look at why they killed Michael

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Speaker 3: Jackson because he wouldn't give up the publishing the Masters,

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Speaker 1: He would and he was trying to buy more of Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was aggressively and so they hit him with the

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Speaker 1: child molestation when he tried to buy Marvel Comics. Imagine

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Speaker 1: if Michael Jackson would have executive produced Black Panther, oh

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Speaker 1: Man Next level.

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Speaker 3: Mike was One thing about Mike and Prince Man, it's

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Speaker 3: so interesting because they were somewhat effeminate in their public presentation.

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Speaker 1: They were gangsters in the business. Run Bro.

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Speaker 3: There's no rapper more gangster than Michael Jackson when it

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Speaker 1: I remember, and it was back when we have technology

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Speaker 3: Had they worked together, Loomed, they might still be here.

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Speaker 3: You can't beat white supremacy alone. Prince was fighting solo,

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Speaker 3: Black men, in particular black women too, but especially us

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Speaker 1: Yes, why do we date white women validation? Why do

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Speaker 3: You feel me first of all three primary rules of racism,

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Speaker 1: They do not share what power. Crowdfunding is a form

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Speaker 1: of what economic empowerment? How dare you negroes?

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Speaker 3: Whether Carmelo Anthony was right or wrong don't matter to them.

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Speaker 3: Whether Rodney Hinton was right or wrong, don't matter to them.

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Speaker 3: Why do you think you can come to white people

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Speaker 1: They shut us down. Oh, they showed without a reason.

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Speaker 3: Why Because I am not gonna help you build some

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Speaker 1: Are you crazy?

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Speaker 3: The question, Loom isn't whether or not there is crowdfunding discrimination.

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Speaker 1: Of course it is.

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Speaker 3: But you know what the bigger question is, after four

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Speaker 1: Equality is a sin. Equality is a sin. Equality eliminates

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Speaker 3: Some people nigroes included are saying this would have only

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Speaker 1: I completely disagree.

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Speaker 3: You know why, Rodney Hinton was not at war with

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Speaker 1: And also what I find interesting is is America gets

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Speaker 3: What they did as a result of the fabricated accusations

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Speaker 3: America bombs could never targets the military, they target civilians.

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Speaker 3: Do you know how much blood is on the hands

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Speaker 3: And you got the audacity to say that he should

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Speaker 3: the thing, it don't matter what cop would have chased

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Speaker 1: We're not used to that.

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Speaker 3: And the reason we're not used to that, looon is

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Speaker 3: White people don't have boundaries with us, because for the

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Speaker 3: re establish safe space with them. Rodney Hinton did that,

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Speaker 3: Carmelo Anthony did that, and guess what, just like with Emmettil,

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Speaker 3: Because Rodney Hinton just put a new idea into the

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Speaker 1: Everything. How do you train your dog? Consequences? How do

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Speaker 3: Rodney Hinton just show you you want the police to

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Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln didn't free us, we freed him. Read the

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Speaker 1: white generals in the Civil War said, if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for the Negro America be do countries today a union

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Speaker 1: and confederacy?

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Speaker 3: And if we can redo history loan. One of the

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Speaker 3: things I wish we would have redone when Roberty Lisa

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Speaker 3: rendered to Ulysses S. Grant at the Appomatics Courthouse in Virginia.

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Speaker 3: I think that was April fourth, eighteen sixty five, right.

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Speaker 3: I wish black men would have said, you know what,

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Speaker 3: if we can beat the Confederacy for Abraham Lincoln, maybe,

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Speaker 3: just maybe we can beat Abraham Lincoln too. Loom, what

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Speaker 3: if we would have said, you know what, we not done.

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Speaker 1: We took the South, let's take the North. Yet.

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Speaker 3: Imagine if we would have done it. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if we would have won or not, but history was

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Speaker 3: on our side. If we can shut down the Southern states,

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Speaker 3: why couldn't we shut down the South? Sometimes, brother, we

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Speaker 3: don't believe in ourselves enough.

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Speaker 1: You feel me. Sometimes we don't believe in ourselves. But

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Speaker 1: it's crazy because they'll on one end say how dysfunctional

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Speaker 1: we are and how disillusion we are, and then they

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Speaker 1: won't point to the facts that but we had to

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Speaker 1: go in there and fight that fight that y'all didn't

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Speaker 1: have the ability to fight.

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Speaker 3: We had wrestle it down or reason America America, not

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Speaker 3: just with the Civil War, Brother, let's go before the

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Speaker 3: Civil War. Let's go to the Louisiana purchase. Do you

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Speaker 3: know that this country is three times the size it

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Speaker 3: was because the Haitian Revolution, with the silent overture on

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Speaker 3: John Jack Desks and christoph and Petian and see Fati

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Speaker 3: Man and Bookmon and Makandal, when they destroyed Napoleon's army,

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Speaker 3: a slave army, distreeted, defeated the greatest general the white

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Speaker 3: man ever had. An army of slaves defeated the greatest

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Speaker 3: general the white man ever had. And because the Haitian

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Speaker 3: Revolution bankrupted Napoleon, he sold his American territories to America

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Speaker 3: for pennies on the die. Remember that Louisiana purchase loan

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Speaker 3: quadruple the size of the United States of America. So

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Speaker 3: when I tell you America wouldn't be America with our

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Speaker 3: black people, America wouldn't be America with That's the fact.

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Speaker 1: Now back to the crowdfunded thing. Who started? In your opinion,

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Speaker 1: where did this start? As it pertains to, when what

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Speaker 1: what as it pertains to, what could be considered as

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Speaker 1: a heinous act takes place? Didn't the racist or the

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Speaker 1: people on one side of or another throws their financial

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Speaker 1: might behind something to try to.

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Speaker 3: Take a stand. I think it was Michael Brown in

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Speaker 3: Ferguson or Zimmerman was their crowdfunding for Zimmerman.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's where it started. Brown popularized it because

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Speaker 1: with the Mike Brown case, you had an officer who

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Speaker 1: unlived an unarmed child and they left his body in

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Speaker 1: the street for hours. And the evidence in the Michael

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Speaker 1: Brown case because there were witnesses. Remember with Tray Vn

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Speaker 1: I don't think we had any witness. Michael Brown, you

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Speaker 1: had witness So it was obvious that this was an execution, yes,

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Speaker 1: And so when black people saw white people rush to

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Speaker 1: the defense of the white officer with obvious evidence and

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Speaker 1: eye witness testimony that he unallowed that young man unnecessarily,

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Speaker 1: that's when crowdfunding really became what it became. And I

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Speaker 1: think crowdfunding helped black people to see how racist white people,

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Speaker 1: like the American racial identity crept right into.

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Speaker 3: Crowd And do you know why it's the same thing

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Speaker 3: with social media or Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Or voting and all of this, right, because well, but

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just overt in the money.

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Speaker 3: Because why I'm able to be racist, but you don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily see who I am.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel me?

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Speaker 3: When I go into the booth to vote against reparations,

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Speaker 3: I can be racist, but you don't know how I voted.

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Speaker 3: When I donate one thousand dollars to these police killers.

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Speaker 3: I can be racist, but you never see my face.

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Speaker 3: Whenever white people are able to manifest, When white people

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Speaker 3: are able to manifest their racism and not be seen,

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Speaker 3: you really.

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Speaker 1: See who they are because it's clearly. Look at Shilo Hendricks.

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Speaker 3: She caught a five year old disabled child the inn

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Speaker 3: word for going in a bag. White kids going bags too.

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Speaker 3: You feel me? It was an innocent kid. He don't

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Speaker 3: know nothing about no thief. He of autism and guess

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Speaker 3: what white folks said, what we don't care? And if

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Speaker 3: it's one thing black people need to understand, loom and

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Speaker 3: I think it's one of the benefits of the Trump administration,

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Speaker 3: although I don't support him or his administration. Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is making it popular to be publicly racist again. You

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Speaker 3: feel me, You feel like he's making it popular. He said,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna take Harriet Tubman off the website.

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Speaker 1: Man, they doing some bro.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna take Mega Evers off the national military Cemetery website.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go into the Smithsonian National Africa an American

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Speaker 3: Museum and anything in there that shows how brutally racist

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Speaker 3: America was the blacks.

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Speaker 1: We're taking it out. All the Civil War statues that

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Speaker 1: y'all took down back in the twenty fifteen Charston killing

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Speaker 1: of Dylan Ruth when he murdered the Charston Nine, Yes,

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Speaker 1: were putting them statues back up. South African refugees. If

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Speaker 1: you don't like the fact that the blacks in South

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Speaker 1: Africa taking the land that your ancestors stole from them,

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Speaker 1: you can come over and be a refugee. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has made it safe to be a bigot. Did you

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Speaker 1: see the executive order he signed on the police that

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Speaker 1: Donald trummunity. It's not the word immunity, it's called unleashing

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Speaker 1: America's law. And for unleashing, he's basically saying, go get active.

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Speaker 1: You can.

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Speaker 3: Basically what he's saying, you can kill blacks and you

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Speaker 3: do not have to worry about being held accountable. With

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Speaker 3: that being said, though, Loom, as a historian, a part

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Speaker 3: of me is saying we gotta embrace this now. Some

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Speaker 3: black people say, what the hell, doctor Umar talking about

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Speaker 3: embrace how we being dehumanized and push You know why

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Speaker 3: you gotta embrace it because it is these types of conditions.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel me in atmosphere? Thank you? What did

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Speaker 1: I say earlier?

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Speaker 3: Everything in the universe is created from positive and negative force.

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Speaker 1: You see that.

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Speaker 3: We fought again slavery because we had no choice. We

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00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: fought for civil rights, we had no choice. The racism

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00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: became so intense that we got to a point loom

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00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: when we said, you know what, we might die anyway,

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Speaker 3: so we might as well stand up and fight.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening right now.

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Speaker 3: America is eliminating all the conveniences it has given to

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Speaker 3: black people in this society and we're now getting to

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Speaker 3: a point loom where it's like, what am I living for?

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Speaker 3: And when people get desperate, they become courageous. This is

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Speaker 3: exactly the type of atmosphere you need. It is this

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Speaker 3: that gave birth to a Marcus Golfy. It is this

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Speaker 3: that gave birth to a Frederick Douglas. It is this

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Speaker 3: that gave birth to a human Newton. It is this

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Speaker 3: that gave birth to an h Rap Brown. It is

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Speaker 3: this that gave birth to the freedom riders in the

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Speaker 3: city movements, You understand me. So this is exactly what

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Speaker 3: you need for black people to get up off they

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Speaker 3: ask and struggle. What did Frederick Douglas said? If there

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Speaker 3: is no struggle, there is no progress.

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Speaker 1: Do you think what's your feelings on him rolling back

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Speaker 1: the DEI stuff? It didn't benefit us at all. D

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Speaker 1: I never benefited black.

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Speaker 3: Four percent of DEI hires were black four four percent.

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Speaker 3: So my question to you, homosexuals, white women, non black immigrants,

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Speaker 3: do you feel me physically handicapped non blacks? Remember, is

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Speaker 3: everything except white male Let me give you an example.

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Speaker 3: Much respect to Pastor Jamal Bryant, much respect to REVERENDL.

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Speaker 1: Sharpton.

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Speaker 3: As you know, they had a boycott of Target. Yes,

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Speaker 3: nothing was wrong with that because Target needed to know

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Speaker 3: you don't mistreat black people.

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Speaker 1: Still get our money.

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Speaker 3: And as a result of that boycott, Target has lost

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Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of dollars a.

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Speaker 1: Day on life.

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Speaker 3: Right, So the reactionary intervention by Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton.

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Speaker 1: I support it.

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Speaker 3: Target need to be taught a lesson my constructive criticism

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Speaker 3: because I respect them. My constructive criticism for both gentlemen

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Speaker 3: you gave us the reactionary that's the boycott. But now

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Speaker 3: you got to do something proactionary that benefits black people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, where is that?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Taking our people from Target to Costco is not a

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Speaker 3: win because you're taking them from Target, who exploited that

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Speaker 3: black dollar, and you now give them to another corporation

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Speaker 3: that's going to exploit.

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Speaker 1: That black dollar. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, what they should have done and this is

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Speaker 3: why black leadership gets criticized. What they should have done

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Speaker 3: with their influence is they should have created a megamart

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Speaker 3: for the black community. Our Sharpton has the following. Pastor

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Speaker 3: Jamal Bryant has the following. Why not come together and

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Speaker 3: give our people a black alternative? Why are we leaving

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Speaker 3: our people choosing between two white alternatives, neither of which

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Speaker 3: really gives a damn? So we broke Target, no problem,

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Speaker 3: I stand with you, But now we're going to go

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Speaker 3: in rich Costco.

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Speaker 1: What are they doing so great that they deserve the

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Speaker 1: black dollar? Not much at all. Where is the black alternative?

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Speaker 1: And this is why LOOM people criticize black leadership because

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Speaker 1: we're always good on the boycotting, we're always good on

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Speaker 1: the protesting. We're always good on the embargoes.

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Speaker 3: But when it comes time to take that energy and

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Speaker 3: turn it into something constructive and progressive for black people,

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Speaker 3: you never see any solutions.

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Speaker 1: I give you another one.

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Speaker 3: After every police underliving of a defenseless black person, we

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Speaker 3: had a what riot.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we tore.

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Speaker 3: Down the institutions that supported police genocide, right, that's good.

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Speaker 3: But after we tore down them institutions, did we come

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Speaker 3: back into our community and build anything for the people.

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Speaker 3: Pastor Bryant and Reverend Sharpton need to build something for

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Speaker 3: the people and not just redirect our dollar from one

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Speaker 3: white corporation to the next. I like what they did,

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00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: but that was reacttionary necessary, but it was reactionary. Where

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Speaker 3: are the proactive solutions? Institutions are half of the solution

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Speaker 3: for you cooking today?

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Speaker 1: That's a damn good point because that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of him Trump taking some of these statues that

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Speaker 1: I've also seen a black statue of a black woman,

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Speaker 1: they said.

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Speaker 3: In Times I saw the statue. Some people think it's harmless.

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Speaker 3: I don't, and I'm gonna tell you why. Symbolic artwork

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Speaker 3: is usually focused on representing the best of a people.

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Speaker 1: Are you following me.

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Speaker 3: If we had a museum with multiple pieces of black

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Speaker 3: art that was on display, then that statue won't be

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Speaker 3: a problem.

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Speaker 1: You want to know why. It's one of many peaces.

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Speaker 1: But for you to.

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Speaker 3: Put what I believe is the first ever statue of

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Speaker 3: a black woman in Tom Square. Why wasn't it of

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Speaker 3: a black female celebrity. Why wasn't it of a black

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Speaker 3: woman caring for her children. Why wasn't it a black

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Speaker 3: woman with her king supporting her. Why wasn't it of

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Speaker 3: a black inventor female? We have many Why wasn't it

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Speaker 3: of a black doctor, black engineer, black business owner? Why

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Speaker 3: was it of a single black woman? Was her hand

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00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: on her hips? I don't even remember single black woman.

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Speaker 3: Look it up real quick, see if the hand look

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Speaker 3: up that picture was the hands on the hips. She

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Speaker 3: was not professionally dressed.

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Speaker 1: She was extremely casual, slightly overweight, braids in her hair,

657
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: Definitely didn't look like somebody on their way to work.

658
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: Definitely didn't look like somebody on their way to operate

659
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: their own business. Was a hands on the hips? Do

660
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: you see?

661
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: What does that mean? When a black woman hands is

662
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: on her hips? Stereotypically that's the sassy mama. Look that's

663
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: the independent.

664
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm on welfare, I don't have a husband, I might

665
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: have multiple kids. Complaining, whining masculine. That was an insult

666
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: to Black female integrity and dignity. That did not represent

667
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: the great divine feminine at all. That was an insult,

668
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: my brother, that was an insult. Wow, you have too

669
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: many Black women doing too many great things. Let me

670
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: give you an example, Loom, of why I consider that

671
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: an insult. Black women are the most educated population in America, right,

672
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: the most educated. Why not at least put a book

673
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: bag on her back? Black women are the most educated

674
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: population in America. Keep the same outfit, put a book

675
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: bag on her back. Do you know what you're saying now, Loom.

676
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: She's a student, she might only be twenty, she might

677
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: only be twenty one. She might not have a job,

678
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: which is cool, but she's on her way.

679
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: Why not put a book back to show Black women

680
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 3: are the most educated group.

681
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: Uh Uh? I want to show a single quote unquote

682
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: independent black woman who can't find a man or a job.

683
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: That's what I want to show.

684
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: That was an insul Art is supposed to represent the

685
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: greatness of a people, the greatness of a people, like

686
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: I said, loan. If it was multiple pieces, it would

687
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: have been Okay, that's one statue standalone in time Square,

688
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: a business district. You put that in the wealthiest business

689
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: district on the planet Earth. You put a statue of

690
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: an unemployed black woman. And I'm not supposed to say

691
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: nothing about it. First of all, do we know who

692
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: put that up?

693
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: There? Was that the city? Was that a donation? Was

694
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: that a local university? Yes? Because I want to know

695
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: under what premises?

696
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: Right?

697
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: Is it temporary? Is it permanent? What is it? That's

698
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: I didn't understand. And that's the whole thing is like,

699
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: what what's your purpose? What's y'all doing? Insult have been

700
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: displayed in the same city where a contingentous moment, it

701
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: doesn't say who. As the conversation intensified, criticism has emerged

702
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: from several angles, from those seeking to preserve the county's

703
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: historical monuments and from people wondering if the piece employed

704
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: stereotypical imagery, from critics calling the message ham fisted, but

705
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: social media has been overrun with commoners, often anonymous, hurling

706
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: overt racists and sexist terms. The piece, grounded in the

707
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: Stars was produced in twenty twenty three by Thomas J. Price,

708
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: a London based sculpture whose work in recent years has

709
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: directly his name.

710
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: Google his name and put London based sculpt the Thomas Price,

711
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: London based sculptor and see if you can hit images

712
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: and see if you see his face and the reason

713
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm asking you to see what race he was. Most

714
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 3: of the statues in this country loom of great black

715
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: heroes are made by non black artists. They do not

716
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: let our people create and craft our own heroes.

717
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: I want to know if he was white or black.

718
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: It's not showing. Here's some more.

719
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: If you hit a hit image, does his face come

720
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: up there? Of his works? I wonder what he is?

721
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 3: Either way?

722
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: It was unacceptable. He is black, Okay, he's black. Let

723
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: me see him.

724
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not gonna knock him per se. It looks

725
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: like he has several works. My question is why did

726
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: they choose that.

727
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: One, that one that's still a thing. It's still a

728
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: thing expected him in his creativity. That was what they

729
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: all the wealthy times to use us and and missteps

730
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: we may have made, or misrepresentations that they can now

731
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: redefine right and use that against us and say.

732
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: Well, no he made we didn't do y'all male, Why

733
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: symbols rule the world? Brother, Every memory in your head

734
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: is a symbol. Your brain don't store information in its symbols.

735
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: White Jesus symbol. Look at that symbol. What is that

736
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: telling black girls when they see that?

737
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 4: What is that?

738
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: Look at all the black female entrepreneurs we have. You

739
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: couldn't have put them up there. You know how many

740
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: do you realize how many different representations of black women?

741
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: I can brainstorm right now, and that's what you give me.

742
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: And the wealthiest business district on the planet.

743
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: That's an insult. Yeah, definitely, sure, do me a favorite. Sanchez,

744
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: pass me that bottle of water sticking out there.

745
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: The grounded and the stars are installation and Times Square

746
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: was funded.

747
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: About to read that. Yeah, he did, like an interview.

748
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: What do you put the statue up? Okay, next to

749
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: it and usual statue. I'll tell you something. It might be,

750
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: it might be on the ground, but put that in

751
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: the park. White people pay for this New York City

752
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: Department of Cultural Affairs, and then.

753
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: That was the protection. Y'all can't say nothing because y'all

754
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: did it. One thing about the Caucasian brother. They have

755
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: always been consistent, do you feel me? They have always

756
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: been the one thing we can't take from them, consistency.

757
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: That's why we have no excuses because they've never misrepresented

758
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: who they are are, never in four hundred years.

759
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: He looks like he could be mixed racist. Yeah, he

760
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: could be mixed race, or even a rap.

761
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: Because the brother who played Bob Marley and One Love,

762
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: I thought he was a brother.

763
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Nah, he a rap? The brother who played by Marley,

764
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, he do. I thought he was a brother.

765
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: They like now Doggy a rap it is, but it

766
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: ain't African. You know. They don't like us. They don't

767
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: like it. He might he might be mixed race. He

768
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: definitely something going on.

769
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: And so insulting you in plain view, man, And that's

770
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: the best way to insult you, specially because.

771
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: Then you have Negro ros argued about it like yeah,

772
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: it's like bro, think about it? What is that?

773
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: And for a lot of Black women what I say earlier,

774
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: because we have the most bruised egos in American history,

775
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: we're constantly seeking validation. Some Black people so overcome with

776
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: joy that they can be seen in Tom Square no

777
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: matter how will completely ignore the racial symbolism in that

778
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: statue right there, Tom Square.

779
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm gonna tell you this, where they put it

780
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: is more important than what they put. Do you understand me?

781
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: The fact that it's in Tom Square means more than

782
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: a statue itself, because if that same statue was outside

783
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 3: of a public.

784
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: School park, Ah Water Fountain.

785
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: Nah, the wealthiest business district in America, We're gonna put

786
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: a statue that suggests this woman is unemployed? Otherwise why

787
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: she dressed like that? And Tom Square, do.

788
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: You think that he, the guy who made it, Thomas

789
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: had any I don't think he had any ill intent,

790
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: he had any any any power to depict what statue

791
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: he wanted to pick or did they find a statue

792
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: they found represented that agenda and then reverse engineer probably

793
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: asked them. But I think he was so happy to

794
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: be paid, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we'll talk about yea,

795
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: how much you got for that.

796
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,959
Speaker 3: Some stand We had the same conversation when we talked

797
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: about Dion s We're goin to get to him right now.

798
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: When I said, listen, I believe that the American white

799
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: power structure needed to get Dion Sanders out of Jackson

800
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: State because they knew the Supreme Court was going to

801
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 3: strike down affirmative action in college, which puts black colleges

802
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 3: in hot water for giving black students preference and admissions

803
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 3: over non black students. And if Dion was still at Jackson,

804
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: he may have been forced by the black community to

805
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: speak up and speak out on behalf of the legacy

806
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: of the HBCU. So they got the University of Colorado

807
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: to give him an offer he couldn't refuse to get

808
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: him up out of there, and he took it, which

809
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: to me was an act of political betrayal. It's in

810
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 3: the past now, right, But the point that I'm making

811
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: is they know that most of us can be bought.

812
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: We always had, and we'll go and we'll go because

813
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: we have no loyalty to race.

814
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Remember they took out race and gave us religion. See

815
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: remember black people never had a period of healing and

816
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: reclamation loom. So when slavery ended, they didn't say, here's

817
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: a university you're gonna go to for one year and

818
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna be reminded of who you were before we

819
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: took you to Africa.

820
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: You feel me, this was how you ate. This is

821
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: how you got married, This is how you solved your problems,

822
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: This is how you raised your children, this is how

823
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: you worshiped your God.

824
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: We didn't.

825
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: The only thing they had waiting for us after slavey

826
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 3: was that Bible in that Koran, and so religion became

827
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: everything to Black people because we had no culture. See,

828
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: in most people, they have culture, they have religion, and

829
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: they influence each other. Yes, you see that they influence

830
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: each other, and in most cases culture takes precedents. You

831
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: will rarely go anywhere in the world, go anywhere in

832
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 3: the world a raps Chinese, East Indians. Very rarely will

833
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: you see somebody eliminate an aspect of culture because it

834
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: disagrees with what the religion. They will modify the religion

835
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: to support the culture. We have forgotten our culture and

836
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 3: so we over emphasize religion to make up for that fact.

837
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: In other words, our religion, viewed from a certain perspective,

838
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: has actually been one of our biggest problems. Because we

839
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: don't know how to put it to the side and

840
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: use the active intelligence of our own minds to solve

841
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: our problems, we often fall into a religious a religious

842
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: uh falsification of African consciousness if you will, and we

843
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: got to get out of that.

844
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to. I want to spend some time

845
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: on Dion. I think we had a very explosive debate

846
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: about Dion when he did leave the HBCU and we

847
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: did it at an HBCU. And before we get to Don,

848
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: let's address Candice Ons. Last time you were here, you

849
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: put a challenge out for Candace Ons. I want it.

850
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Not a challenge, but I'm willing to debate will challenge. Yeah,

851
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: not a challenge, but I don't really have the debate

852
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, it ain't a challenge. I put you

853
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: put it out there, and I said, yeah, if it

854
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: presents itself, I'll do it right because and and and

855
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: I and I and I want to. That's why I

856
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: want to speak about it. Because it wasn't a challenge

857
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: from Umar, right, it was. It was something that I

858
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: wanted to see happen. Yes, two brilliant people in their

859
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: own and it wasn't the first time that that had

860
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: been brought them right. And so for me knowing that

861
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 1: Candace was in that, as I say, Yo, it should

862
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: be an easy thing. We're doing this at an HBCU.

863
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: It's I heart medium. This should be a slam dunk

864
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: and they went dark. And so I don't know what

865
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: is there a beef between you and Candice? Is there

866
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: something you may don't know that's going on. There may

867
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: be something I don't know because I'm wondering. I mean,

868
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: the only thing I said, and this is recent, this

869
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: is way after our conversation, but the only thing that

870
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: I well, I definitely said that on my Mount rushmore

871
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: of coons, she would have one of them spaces. Okay,

872
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm not even said that in our conversation because I

873
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: don't think she's in she's an advocate of the black community.

874
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: I think she acts like she invites these conversations the

875
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: same way you do. You stand on your square. I

876
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: invite whoever your Candice Ons, your Mark Lemont's, your peers,

877
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: come correct when you come. But just I ain't worry

878
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: about your coming. I see what you're saying. And so

879
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: my thing is, it's like black owned platform sign May

880
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: Julie signed with our heart, trying to do it in

881
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: front of an HBCU. I was trying to like we

882
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: would have been doing. I was trying to bring umar

883
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: Candace owns in front of an HBCU and have a conversation.

884
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the venue she don't want HBCU. I own

885
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: the college campus. I've just been here. I owned the

886
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: college campus. I was really amazed by this bro Like,

887
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's no way that I'm bro. It literally

888
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: had me to you know what it could be. I'm

889
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: talking about I DMed it, she's seen it.

890
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: I see what she's saying. But I'm gonna tell you this,

891
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: but it could be something really simple. It may have

892
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 3: nothing to do with intimidation or fear at all. You

893
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: know what it could be because I think it's the

894
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: case with Shannon shap I think the case is that

895
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 3: we have to have the snow bunny conversation. Candace Owns

896
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: is married to a Caucasian mail You see what I'm saying.

897
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: Now, it's the snowbody conversation on the table. But what

898
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: it gotta be what about the daughter conversation?

899
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: Its two different things because I'm not talking about what

900
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: her husband does or his character, you understand, Just like

901
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: with RG three and Ryan Clark, Ryan ain't discussing nothing

902
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: about your wife, who she is, No the fact you

903
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: married outside the community. It's nothing personal against something. You understand,

904
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: nothing personally gets your beautiful baby. You understand you went

905
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 3: outside the community for your mate, and I got to

906
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 3: ask you why.

907
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: And I'm going to have some follow up questions. You

908
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: follow what I'm saying. I think it's just that because

909
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm sitting down with any snow bunny

910
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: hopper and not bring it and not bring it up.

911
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: I can't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that makes sense.

912
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, man, I'm almost like I

913
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: told I told alhard one more time. Like, see what

914
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: she says, Like I'm not I see her going Jason Lee,

915
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: I see her Goldie. I'm saying, what is she ducking? Umar?

916
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: And I say that respectfully, like I'm literally I'm literally

917
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: tooking back, bro, Like I'm tooking back. I took Kendice

918
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: to be a scholar, like I took her to be

919
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: someone that could defend her talking points, address any issues.

920
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: She is intelligent. Yeah, so for me, I'm saying something

921
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: is But if you're standing on the wrong side of

922
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: the community, you know, for me, credentials and intelligence aside,

923
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm standing on the right side of the argument for

924
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: the people you feel me And so there's a certain

925
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: energy that just comes with that. Yes, yes, you know

926
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. So you for sure I'm going again.

927
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: I want this to happen to fans, was bro. They

928
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: was tagging that it was going crazy. Oh so you

929
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: posted it publicly last did you said you're in boxer?

930
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: I did it all like our last when we actually

931
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: dropped the last episode. Your fans took that ship and

932
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: was like, Canda, can this can this? Can this? Can

933
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: hitting her? Yeah? And then I hit her and then

934
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: I found I told I hard to hit her manager.

935
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: They found her manager and they hit him, and then

936
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: I followed a manager and then I hit the manager.

937
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is like? What is this? And it's

938
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: in this town, Bro, it doesn't require travel, it doesn't

939
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: require I see what you're saying. Something is very convenient.

940
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: Something is there and I'm wondering what it is.

941
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: But we'll REWI I'm gonna give you something else that

942
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: may have nothing to do with Candae. I don't know

943
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 3: her relationships. I don't know her sponsors, but I suspect

944
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 3: that in her army of sponsors, there may be people

945
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 3: who are fearful of two things. Number One, if you

946
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 3: lose in this debate as a conservative to this revolutionary

947
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: pan africanist. Do you dim the brand and the power

948
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: of the conservative movement?

949
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 4: Right?

950
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: In other words, they're looking at collateral damic and even

951
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: more than that, loon, what did we just speak of earlier?

952
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 3: White people don't believe in empowering blacks. I have my

953
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: own followership right separate from her large. Yes, and she

954
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: hers is large exactly. But if doctor Umar definitively destroys you,

955
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: do you know what we just did for what he

956
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: stands for? Because she got a lot of feminists, what

957
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: if I changed their minds?

958
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: She got a lot of black you feel me?

959
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: They looking at collateral damage, and for that reason alone,

960
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 3: they might say we can't.

961
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: You're saying that she's turned into the corporate structures, like

962
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: you say, and Cannis owns is a part of the

963
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: corporate structure, Yes, the conservative corporate structure. Absolutely. Wow, Okay

964
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: she is to the conservatives, well Roland Martin is to

965
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: the liberals almost like what was the white guy name

966
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: the black mouthpiece? What was the white guy named that

967
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: was the conservative? And he was black white guy. He

968
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: was famous for a while and kind of fell off.

969
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly was okay, O'Reilly, Those rights like they're attached

970
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: to They seem like cards. But it's like, now you're

971
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: really attached to this thing at the hill. Yeah, you

972
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you prime time with this, you know,

973
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: so I guess man will will try to read you.

974
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 3: Gotta remember they protect their mainstream personalities against unapologetic blacks.

975
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: Me and Al Sharpton was supposed to be on the

976
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: same program at the University of the District of Columbia.

977
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: This is about ten years ago, maybe seven or eight

978
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 3: years ago, right, No, it's more than more than seven.

979
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say eight, nine or ten years ago. Me

980
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: and Al Sharpton was supposed to be on this. It

981
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: wasn't a debate, but it was a conversation about the

982
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 3: state of black America. He had just released a book, too, right,

983
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 3: He sent his books, but he did not show up.

984
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: And you know, I was ready because I ain't letting back. Man,

985
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm going at you, your donors and everything. You feel

986
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: me and you got to realize them type nick girls

987
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 3: they talk it.

988
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, they ducked that smoke though they don't want it

989
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: with somebody who real because I ain't got nothing. You Also,

990
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: they cannot whoop on you with the intellection. You know

991
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna be healing with it. But then you got

992
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: to you gott Yeah you got my whole life. Yeah, bro,

993
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: you ain't getting over. You got your attributes. So like

994
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: even with someone like a Mark Lamont, he's a Skyla,

995
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: he's pretty smart. He don't got to fun swedeough, he

996
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: don't got to You got this here, man, You got

997
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you one of us. You just wait to

998
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: the other side, you know what I'm saying, to the

999
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 1: scholar side, which we respect. But it's gonna happen.

1000
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: And the words of sister Sheryl from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, who's

1001
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: the first person to bring me there. She said, when

1002
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: I first met you, I was surprised as I did

1003
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 3: not know that you were a North Philly, a Garvyykee

1004
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 3: preacher with North Philly swag.

1005
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 1: Her what it is? A garvy ike preacher with North

1006
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: Philly swag, That's what she said. And I love it

1007
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: so much. I appreciated. My mom loves you, like I

1008
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: told you. All these people, all the elders, bro, they

1009
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: love you, bro, and then the youngest love you. You

1010
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: see you pop up on streams like people really embrace you,

1011
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: don't I'm not sure Candic could be on the stream.

1012
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that world even invites. That's what I'm saying.

1013
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: Your range, bro, shoot three, you could Dunkey you can.

1014
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: Your range is just impeccable. God is the greatest I'm

1015
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: dealing with. Let's go back to Dione Sanders, because, like

1016
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: I said, we had a monumental conversation about Dion leaving

1017
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: HBCUs we are seeing his depart Archer reflected in how

1018
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: many people were drafted, which is a direct correlation to

1019
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: how many eyes are on the games and how they well.

1020
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 3: Remember, they also sabotaged the draft class out of Colorado,

1021
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 3: not just your door. Don't you think from what I

1022
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: saw something that you know needs to be clarified. But

1023
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: it said that a lot of the Colorado players went

1024
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 3: lower than they should have because the power structure of

1025
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: the NFL wanted to teach Dion a lesson. You're not

1026
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 3: going to convince me that your Door Sanders was the

1027
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty fourth best player. You understand that

1028
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 3: he was top five guaranteed, yes, But they had to

1029
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 3: do that to sabotage his money loan. Because if you

1030
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: are top five, you're guaranteed at least forty million, and

1031
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 3: see in a career, damn now you that's two or

1032
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 3: three chances and you only get more money. So for

1033
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: them to drop that man from a forty million dollar

1034
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 3: pay day to approximately four million dollar pay day, don't

1035
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: get me wrong, they fine, he got nil deals, but

1036
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 3: that was disrespectful. And the way they did it Loan

1037
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: to just keep having hanging and hanging and hanging. And

1038
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 3: you know why they did that, so that they could

1039
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 3: get the viewership because they knew everybody only cared about

1040
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 3: three people in that job, Cam Woord, Travis Hunter, and

1041
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 3: show Door Sanders. So not only are we going to

1042
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: sabotage your draft day to humiliate you and your father,

1043
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: were gonna use years press as press. And then after

1044
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: he got drafted, they pinned his picture in the Cleveland

1045
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 3: Browns Jersey onto their website for more clicks and views,

1046
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 3: exploit it the shit out that boy Loan and then

1047
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 3: disrespected him. At the same time, as I've already said,

1048
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: I wish they would suit an NFL, I know they

1049
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 3: not because.

1050
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: He wants to play.

1051
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: And this gets into a whole other conversation, not about

1052
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: the Sanders, but about us in Black America, how we

1053
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 3: raise our children with regard to what should you value?

1054
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: Because if that's my son, we soon off the table.

1055
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: If the career over, the career over, because that right there,

1056
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: we can't walk that on it. You see what I'm saying.

1057
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 3: But when you when your whole life is football and

1058
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: your whole life is blasketball, and that left.

1059
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: HBCU for this moment. You really that's what we were speaking

1060
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: about last time, is that because our debate was you

1061
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: were saying, Yo, it's bigger than him. We got a

1062
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: bigger than him constructure. I was bigger to him. Yo,

1063
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: Dion doing this for his son to make sure he

1064
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: go pro make sure he get in a good spot.

1065
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: And it ultimately didn't work out. It didn't work no

1066
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: way that we intend.

1067
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: And just like you just said, it's bigger than them,

1068
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: the white man said the same thing.

1069
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: He said, the NFL is bigger than the Sanders.

1070
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 3: And we can't let this young man walk in here

1071
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 3: with a father who's a coach at a major university,

1072
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: who's already popular, already got an nl deal. If we

1073
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 3: let him walk in here and dictate what we do

1074
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: on this plantation, on this slave plantation, that we own.

1075
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: If we let this slave do.

1076
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: What he wants tomorrow, all the slaves will do what

1077
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: they want. That was the perfect example of a public

1078
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: lynching in order to reassert control over the plantation. It

1079
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: was wrong.

1080
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: I'm a sure Doors Sanders fan. I even want Dion

1081
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 3: to do well now because what's in the past is

1082
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 3: in the past. But this was a good lesson that

1083
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 3: you are always a Nigro and don't you ever forget it.

1084
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 3: Anything you are, We made you, and we'll take it

1085
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 3: back if we have to do. You think him that

1086
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: was a whipping right, you know you.

1087
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: We spoke about it and basically classified it as him

1088
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: abandoning the mission. As it pertains to HB. He did

1089
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: abandon he did in Jackson State. Let's let's really imagine

1090
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: where they would be, right, how many young men probably

1091
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: would have came that way went pro he had more

1092
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: control and it was just it was.

1093
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: What you're talking about is a classic discussion that we

1094
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 3: as black men have had and will continue to have,

1095
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: and that is over what matters more your personal success

1096
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: or the long term success of your people.

1097
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: And then what I guess it hurts even more when

1098
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: you sell it out like all right now, But I

1099
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: got to think about my son and then it don't

1100
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: even do it for your son, but it definitely would

1101
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: have done it for the HBCU had Man, if you

1102
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: would have stayed in Jackson State, Man, the effects would

1103
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: have been profound. Brother, you know what I'm saying. And

1104
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: your son still would have been on your hip. Yes,

1105
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 1: but it's just it's just I wonder do he think

1106
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: about that in the back of his brain?

1107
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 3: Like man, if he's politically conscious. And again, I respect Dionne.

1108
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the greatest athletes of all time.

1109
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: He's the only human being ever to play in a

1110
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: World Series and a Super Bowl. You follow me, But

1111
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 3: he's Muhammad Ali without the political consciousness and the racial loyalty,

1112
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,959
Speaker 3: and Muhammad Ali was Dion Sanders with the political consciousness

1113
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: and the racial loyalty.

1114
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's the bottom line.

1115
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 3: Do we have a lot of celebrities who we love,

1116
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: but they've never been loyal to the people?

1117
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: Right? Do you think his privilege should Doure I'm speaking about.

1118
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: Do you think his privilege of having a famous father

1119
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: and coming up the way he did, did that interrupt

1120
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: his ability or will let interrupt his ambition, because that's

1121
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: what the NFL was kind of trying to lean on

1122
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: to some of the coaches, like he's already rich, he

1123
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: got his you know why, because he wants to be

1124
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, because he comes from in fact,

1125
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: the fact that my father was great. I come from great,

1126
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: and that make me even more hungry, you feel me,

1127
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: because I got something to prove, not that you devils,

1128
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: but to my father. You see what I'm saying, So

1129
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: that ain't got nothing to do with it. Now, we'll

1130
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: give you the silver lining in this.

1131
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if Shada Sanders was racially conscious or not.

1132
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 3: He was my favorite college football player, tremendous young man,

1133
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 3: well spoken. I don't know how politically conscious he is.

1134
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: But because they did this to him, we're going to

1135
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 3: see this come back up somewhere in his life. It

1136
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: might be after he retired and he'd coach. But I

1137
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 3: promise you this right here, it ain't to end up right.

1138
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 3: He will forever remember this. Yeah, you understand me, this

1139
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 3: right here. If he didn't have a racial consciousness, he

1140
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: got one.

1141
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: Now. I interview Brandon Marshall, and it's so interesting how

1142
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: much these players put in the draft day. Man, he

1143
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna go like number one, two three.

1144
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: Politicians fail. Brandon Marshall failed. He ended up that night

1145
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: crashing out, even though he went pro he went pro h.

1146
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: But his whole family was dying there. And I think

1147
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: he made a win. Matter of fact, let me, I

1148
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: don't want to misrepresent, because where you place the termines

1149
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: that first contract? Yeah, and and so. But what was

1150
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: interesting is his his reaction was much more different than

1151
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: your door. And I think it's because the father figure

1152
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: is in the building, right, The father figures his his

1153
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,560
Speaker 1: just his his availability to his son and emotional availability

1154
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: has him a little more stoic, at least on the outside. Okay,

1155
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But Brandon went up there

1156
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: and punched the mir era and toe shit up. And

1157
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: he was at the draft, No, he was at home

1158
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 1: with a yeah, and so it was just he was

1159
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: just so so so toe up about it. Man.

1160
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 3: And but see, and much respect to Brandon Marshall, great guy,

1161
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 3: well spoken as well, you know, but once again, why

1162
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: are we raising our black boys to believe that sports

1163
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 3: and entertainment is the most important thing in your life?

1164
01:08:58,960 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: Right?

1165
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 3: It's okay that you want to go to the nfl, A,

1166
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 3: the NBA. But this should not be your priority. We

1167
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 3: as black man, should be living for other things. It's

1168
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 3: hard to say that when you ain't got nothing. Them

1169
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 3: niggas coming from Shador's a little different. Brandon was coming

1170
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 3: from nothing. He was living in a hotel at that

1171
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 3: time with his family.

1172
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: So he's thinking, but the richest people in the world

1173
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: are not athletes. This ways to make your money in

1174
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: other ways. The richest people in America are realtors. You understand, yes,

1175
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: so and look at how many most athletes they don't

1176
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: even retire wealthy. You see what I'm saying. They exploit you,

1177
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: they use you, They make you recycle your money right

1178
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: back to the white folks in the circle, and you're done.

1179
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: This shit is a system, just like we're rapp This

1180
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: is the same shit. It's the same thing I tell

1181
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: my rappers, my rapper friends because I'm high level business like,

1182
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: so I tell them, like, pay attention to where they

1183
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: send you. Right. They think everything is a convenience because

1184
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: the labelers say, hey, we got you going to LA,

1185
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: We got you a mansion out there. You know that's

1186
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: going on your tab and not only on your tap.

1187
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: My friend owns the mansion. So it's not casting us nothing,

1188
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: but it's draining your budget. You see what I'm saying.

1189
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 3: It's in other words, I'm spending your money for you,

1190
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 3: and you don't even know it.

1191
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: You don't even know it. You think you and they

1192
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: don't know this. But I'm telling I be telling them, Yo,

1193
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: pay attention that everything white viril that you dating, I

1194
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: sent it to you, exactly. That's my cousin's exactly. Let

1195
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: me ask you about Nil because your dr See it

1196
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: seems like Nil padded a little bit of the falling

1197
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: as it potent for he ain't gonna have no money problem.

1198
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: Who controls this jersey? Is the number one jersey being sold?

1199
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: And he went one forty four? Right? Who benefits the

1200
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:33,839
Speaker 1: most from Nil?

1201
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 3: It depends on the contract structure, I'm gonna say overall, though,

1202
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 3: because we live in a capitalist system, the sponsor always

1203
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 3: benefits more than the sponsor. I was looking at, right,

1204
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 3: So I was whoever he signed, they making more money

1205
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 3: because I'm only giving you a percentage of what I'm gaining.

1206
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't benefit me to go half with you, right,

1207
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: So you know what I was looking at Nil?

1208
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: Right? And so Michael Jordan is a billionaire off Nike,

1209
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: so imagine how much money Nike has made killed it.

1210
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: I was looking at the nil situation and what it

1211
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: was explaining to me is this, it's like a it's

1212
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: a it's a funny it's some funny rules with give

1213
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: me some of the rules. So the NIL situation, right,

1214
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:18,799
Speaker 1: So let's just say should should owns his likeness quote unquote,

1215
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: this is a quote. Now, what does likeness really mean?

1216
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: My name? Well, I don't know. I don't my name

1217
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: and image, but you can't produce a jersey, so what

1218
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna put the name in image? So what I

1219
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: was what I my research was, are you My research

1220
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: was telling me that Colorado doesn't necessarily even have to

1221
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: give him anything on the n I l I think

1222
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: they will. I think they will because of his jersey sales.

1223
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: But they don't have to. So you don't get anything.

1224
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 3: You don't get anything off the college paraphernalia that's owned

1225
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 3: by the college, and like you said, they're selling it.

1226
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 3: Because remember, athletes don't get nothing off their jerseys. That's

1227
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 3: team merchandise. You feel me, that's team merchant. Now, some

1228
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 3: athletes might get a cut, like a Lebron or something,

1229
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 3: but generally speaking, that's team merchandise.

1230
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I'm thinking. I'm thinking once they

1231
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: say I own my likeness, my likeness is on their jersey.

1232
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 3: So then the question becomes, how did they negotiate to

1233
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 3: licensing for his brand?

1234
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: Right?

1235
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 3: If I own my name and license, that's likeness, that's

1236
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 3: my brand. Colorado wants to sell my jersey, right, so

1237
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 3: then that because I can license you the right to

1238
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 3: use my name and license.

1239
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

1240
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 3: Now with the NIL, they might get a cut now,

1241
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 3: but historically before nil you got no money from them jerseys. E. Yeah,

1242
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 3: it might have changed now, but historically you did you

1243
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 3: see the Fab five documentary This came.

1244
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: Out almost Yeah, I think I did. I can't remember.

1245
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:04,520
Speaker 3: Jalen Rowe talked about how they used to silently protest

1246
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: against Nike exploiting them because they didn't make any money

1247
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 3: from none of that. Remember they had the Fab five Nikes,

1248
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 3: they had the black size with the white remember that,

1249
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 3: remember that the baggy pants. Yes, every child wanted the

1250
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 3: Fab five Nikes. Right, they didn't even call him that,

1251
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 3: but everybody that's the Fab fight was known as because

1252
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 3: they wore, and he said everything Nike wanted to sell

1253
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 3: they threw on our body, and so we would start

1254
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: going out there with a plain shirt to warm up.

1255
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, plain sock. We was trying

1256
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: to risk, were trying because we're being exploited.

1257
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 3: And we're not making no dollar. The only money being

1258
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 3: made is the University of Michigan and Nike. Right, damn

1259
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 3: it might have changed with nil. I wonder now that's

1260
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1261
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: They have to get research was telling what was saying

1262
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: that they don't have to that they that they might

1263
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: still be the same that they can that the merchandise, right,

1264
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, because.

1265
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken with colleges football and basketball. Right

1266
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 3: when you buy the jersey at foot Locker official Nike merchandise,

1267
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 3: I don't think they have their names on them, just

1268
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 3: the number?

1269
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: Am I correct? No? I got a name college college? No,

1270
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he got a name. Then they off

1271
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: the hook because my likeness. But they gonna say that's

1272
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: the team, like that's the team like that. That's because

1273
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: I remember when I was gonna buy it Jalen Rose jersey.

1274
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 3: This when the Fab five was and it was just

1275
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 3: his number five. Everybody know that Jalen rose with them,

1276
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 3: but his name wasn't on it. And if they name

1277
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 3: ain't on it, you don't own it. Let me give

1278
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 3: you an example. When somebody pays let's take the quarterback

1279
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 3: for the Philadelphia Equals, Right, Jalen Hurts McDonald's going to

1280
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 3: pay him to do a commercial hypothetically, right, he got

1281
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: on the green jersey with his number right, without without

1282
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 3: the logo or the team. You see that, So you

1283
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: can't do nothing about it because your name on it.

1284
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: Everybody know that this is the egos to go without

1285
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: your logoing name. We're good, right, And that's the same

1286
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: show now you see like with him, he's reversing it.

1287
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: It's usually what they do to them. Yes, he's done

1288
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: it back. Yeah. So that's the gray area in the

1289
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: n I L industry gray areas. That's the great area, right,

1290
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: that's the great area. Have you heard of kasanet