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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome in to a Thursday edition of One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Chris Brown Steve Task Review as always. As

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Speaker 2: we now sit exactly two weeks away from NFL Draft

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, fourteen days away. Bill's obviously armed with

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Speaker 2: ten total picks, including number twenty eight in round on one,

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Speaker 2: and the speculation will continue to swirl between now and

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Speaker 2: April twenty fifth, in Detroit for good. It was in Detroit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nice little motor City draft, that is correct?

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Speaker 2: And what's the over under on motown songs or more?

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Speaker 2: Here's the question. You're ready? So the most I would say,

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Speaker 2: the more modern artists most associated with Detroit, Eminem and

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Speaker 2: Kid Rock. Do we think we will hear on the

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Speaker 2: on ESPN's coverage or NFL Networks coverage? Pick your poison?

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Speaker 2: Will we hear more Eminem, Kid Rock tracks or more

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Speaker 2: motown tracks over the course of the three days of

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Speaker 2: coverage of the NFL Draft from Detroit?

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna say this. You're gonna see Kid

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Speaker 1: Rock and Eminem on the broadcast. There'll be the live,

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Speaker 1: they'll be on stage on They'll be there. There's just

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Speaker 1: no to care about it.

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Speaker 2: Because I did see they did a ESPN ran a

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Speaker 2: little promo of the quarterbacks, you know when they're flipping

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Speaker 2: and they were playing My Name is by Eminem I

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Speaker 2: but that's the name of the track.

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Speaker 1: So I think because those guys will be there and

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Speaker 1: in and out a lot. So I think they'll outstrip

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Speaker 1: the motown. I would tend to They're gonna have motor

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Speaker 1: I would tend to agree. I think so Kid Rock and.

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Speaker 2: No smoking Robinson showing up on days smokes eem on

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Speaker 2: day one smoking rocks of a clown.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you know what, that's a good call smoking. But

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Speaker 1: Eminem is going to be there because he's a massive

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Speaker 1: Lions fan, and Kid Rock's been I think Kid Rock

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Speaker 1: Eminem was all about it last year. He was games. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So those guys will be on set and they'll be

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Speaker 1: there just you know, I mean, come on, man, if

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Speaker 1: the draft was here in Buffalo, you know, the NFL

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Speaker 1: is here in Buffalo, you know, the Googo Dolls would

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Speaker 1: be there, Jim Thurman, Andre all these, all the jokers

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's Detroit Motown, Eminem, Kid Rock, Kiss Detroit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: De Rocks. Well, knowing what I know about, knowing what

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Speaker 1: probably not, all they got to do is ask, did

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Speaker 2: If freaking explosions and.

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Speaker 1: They just come out platform Gene sims All you got

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Speaker 1: you know it. All they gotta do is whisper it

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Speaker 1: and man, they'll show up. And for the guys that

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Speaker 1: then it wraps up with Kid rocking Eminem Detroit, Make

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Speaker 1: it Happen Detroit. Yeah, that's sign for all of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where's my prop bet sheet? I think we did we

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Speaker 1: just like uh, I'm I don't even just.

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Speaker 2: Backdoor produced the NFL Draft there.

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Speaker 1: I think we did. That would be that would be

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Speaker 1: kiss come out and full regalia. What's gone? Sign me up,

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Speaker 1: Yeah that is yeah, that is uh, yes, it is awesome.

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Speaker 2: We got to produce that, man. We gotta get on

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Speaker 2: the horn. Call her friends over at ESPN.

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Speaker 1: They're interested, They're probably they're way out in front of

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they are on a much, much, much different note.

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Famer OJ Simpson, as we know,

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Speaker 2: the first player to rush for more than two thousand

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Speaker 2: He was seventy six. Hall of Fame President Jim Porter

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Speaker 2: could never be attained in a fourteen game season when

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Speaker 2: be preserved in the Halls archives in Canon, Ohio. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's unfortunate that he's probably going to be remembered for

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Speaker 2: ever since that time have been conflicted in terms of

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Speaker 2: because that one's a hard, hard one to get past,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We've all had to come to grips with it

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Speaker 1: a part of the past. So I'll say this condolences

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Speaker 1: to his family who's caught in all of this right

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Speaker 1: and has been for the last couple of decades.

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Speaker 2: So so yeah, we'll leave that there. There is some

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Speaker 2: news around the NFL that we need to get to

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Speaker 2: as well, presented by Kalaida Healthy, official healthcare system of

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Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. Did you see Aaron Rodgers is apparently

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Speaker 2: determined he's been out of the news cycle for too long,

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Speaker 2: so he decided to publicly relive his achilles injury in

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Speaker 2: Week one last year against the Bills, where he essentially

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Speaker 2: he thought his career was over. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: we've all seen where he gets up, he looks at

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Speaker 1: It is. It's amazing to think, you know, because we

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Speaker 1: and you go through we forget what a deal that is?

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Speaker 1: That is. It was unbelievable. Aaron Rodgers was gonna be

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Speaker 1: What's the story this year. What is the big deal

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was crazy. And the play on its surface

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Speaker 2: And then you watch the replay and you see that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you see his sock pop.

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Speaker 1: That was unbelievable. That was and you know, not for nothing,

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Speaker 2: Like even the Digs trade doesn't come close to that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it does it, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think what I think the reason

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Speaker 2: I mean, nobody was surprised when Jim Harbaugh took an

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Speaker 1: Even Jim Harball is like, so that was like Jim

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Speaker 1: too because the guy involved is his own pr firm.

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Speaker 2: With him, right, which is you know why he had

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Speaker 1: So there it is.

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Speaker 2: The charges were handed down for chiefs Wide Receiver Rashi Rice.

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Speaker 2: Eight charges in relation to the high speed crash. Arrest

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Speaker 2: warrants have been issued. I would anticipate he's going to

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Speaker 2: I mean, eight charges. I mean they're throwing the book

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Speaker 2: I mean he owns both cars that were in the

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Speaker 2: We've seen some franchised players this offseason parlay the franchise

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Speaker 1: The NFL is always going to be a different animal

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Speaker 1: And it's amazing how that physicality affects the economics in

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Speaker 2: The Broncos are paying Russell Wilson thirty nine million dollars

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Speaker 2: to not play for them.

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Speaker 1: They're paying him. It's not money off the cap.

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Speaker 2: Thirty pay nine million.

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Speaker 1: They are paying him thirty mine. The Bills aren't paying

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Speaker 1: Steph Diggs. Another dollar.

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Speaker 2: Crazy topic of discussion for you today, as we sit

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Speaker 2: two weeks away from the NFL Draft, who is your

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Speaker 2: favorite offensive and favorite defensive prospect in the draft.

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Speaker 1: For the Bills.

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Speaker 2: This is about the time where people start having their favorites.

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Speaker 2: Give me one from offense and one on defense. Which

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Speaker 2: two prospects are your favorites for the Bills in the

446
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four NFL Draft. Eight oh three zero five

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Speaker 2: point fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five point

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Speaker 2: fifty the number to get on board. Got open lines

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Speaker 2: for you there. You always hit us up on the

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Speaker 2: tweetsheet and add one Bills live if you don't have

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Speaker 2: time to give us a phone call. But we go

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Speaker 2: to the phones and we lead off with Patrick in PA,

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Speaker 2: what do you got for as Patrick?

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Speaker 5: Hey, Chris, hey, Steve, thanks a lot for taking my call.

455
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Speaker 5: I don't listen live unfortunately, but if there's any way

456
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Speaker 5: to keep me on the line after I finish up,

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Speaker 5: so I could hear what you guys say. I'd really

458
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Speaker 5: appreciate it. Not no big deal. But that being said,

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Speaker 5: I'll kind of get into what I have to say. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, I think as good as the Bills offense

461
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Speaker 5: has placed, you know, statistically throughout the years and a

462
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Speaker 5: lot of metrics, you know, the last four or five years,

463
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Speaker 5: I don't think people realize how much that really has

464
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Speaker 5: been a product of how great Josh Allen is and

465
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Speaker 5: Stepan Diggs being a top five to ten wide receiver

466
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Speaker 5: in the league for that tenure. You know, those guys

467
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Speaker 5: were great, but the other guys, they've really been middle

468
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Speaker 5: of the pack as far as NFL stand to my concern.

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Speaker 5: And Brandon Bean's a great GM. You know, you could

470
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Speaker 5: do a lot worse in him mine. I wouldn't pack

471
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Speaker 5: many guys over him, but I think he's uh really

472
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Speaker 5: dropped the ball as far as that goes, And hopefully

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Speaker 5: that changes this year. But I kind of like to

474
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Speaker 5: talk about a guy, I think it's just being a

475
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Speaker 5: little under valued, I guess in the in the process currently,

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Speaker 5: I know you and Steve are kind of a little

477
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Speaker 5: more down on him than I happen to be. But

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Speaker 5: Xavier Worthy, uh, I think he's a lot better of

479
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Speaker 5: a route runner than he's being credit for. Get him

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Speaker 5: credit for, and uh, I just think this offense is

481
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Speaker 5: in dire needs of a little bit of juice, speed

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Speaker 5: and guys that can win one on one and get separation.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 5: I know everybody's kind of you know, tied up with

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Speaker 5: the you know, the X receiver prototype, with with the

486
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Speaker 5: build and body and whatnot, and I agree with that,

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Speaker 5: but first and foremost, separation needs to be the only

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Speaker 5: thing that I think that we scout, whoever we take,

489
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Speaker 5: should have and there's a lot of guys.

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Speaker 6: That can do it.

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Speaker 5: I know a lot of the knocks on him are

492
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Speaker 5: too small, you know, and whatnot. But you know, he's

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Speaker 5: won sixty five but you know, Devant dismissed one hundred

494
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Speaker 5: and seventy five pounds. He's missed one game in his career.

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Speaker 5: Day Flowers is one eighty. He played all the games

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Speaker 5: last year. I know his comps tanked out a lot,

497
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Speaker 5: and yeah, he broke his leg last year, but he

498
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Speaker 5: was blocking on a goal line play and it's just

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Speaker 5: as much of a coaching mistake if anything. But I

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Speaker 5: think he has a lot better hands than get given

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Speaker 5: credit for. He can really track the ball well over

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Speaker 5: both shoulders, and I just think you really have to

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Speaker 5: have guys like that today's NFL. And I think he's

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Speaker 5: a lot closer to I guess the wide receiver one

505
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Speaker 5: is in his scheme of outcomes than he is just

506
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Speaker 5: a four or five deep ball threat in my opinion.

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Speaker 5: And if we could get Brian Thomas Junior or ad Mitchell,

508
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Speaker 5: I think those guys are going to be absolute home

509
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Speaker 5: runs too. But I think it's a pipe dream to

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Speaker 5: think that either of those guys fallowed at twenty eight.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're both six two plus jump forty inches,

512
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Speaker 5: ropes run sub four four, But they do have the

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Speaker 5: X body and they're fluid, and I do think they

514
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Speaker 5: can separate. And I'm not worried about all the you know,

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Speaker 5: the effort concerns of the Donnie Mitchell. I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of these narratives get picked up a little bit

517
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Speaker 5: around draft time. People are looking for stuff to write about.

518
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Speaker 5: What but this offense is and desperate, desperate needs of

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Speaker 5: multiple guys like that.

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Speaker 7: If we traded up a.

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Speaker 5: Little bit in round one for Brian Thomas or a

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Speaker 5: d Mitchell, I would be happy with that. But I

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Speaker 5: don't think we need to send a God's Father package

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Speaker 5: up for a top ten pick. So if we could

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Speaker 5: get you know, Xavier Worthy, Lad McConkie, I like Javon

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Speaker 5: Baker a lot, I'd be really happy with that. Maybe

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Speaker 5: we sit Pat at twenty eight, maybe grab Worthy and

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Speaker 5: maybe trade up at the beginning around two and you know,

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Speaker 5: get McConkie year And I really you know, everybody loves

530
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 5: Xavier la get currently. I think he's really going to

531
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Speaker 5: be the real deal in the NFL. But I'd just

532
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: like to see what you guys think. And I think

533
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 5: this offense just really really really needs some long speed

534
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 5: and some explosiveness. The Bill fans, I don't think after

535
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Speaker 5: watching Gave Davis and Trent Sherfield and you know, end

536
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 5: of year could Beasley and end of his career Emanuel Sanders,

537
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Speaker 5: that they've really been deprived of that. So, you know,

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Speaker 5: if I could just hear your guys, but i'd really appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. Patrick. Yeah, it's well thought out, Cole, no question

540
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: about it. That's kind of what we're asking what you got,

541
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Speaker 1: And I don't have a problem with uh with that

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Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, Listen, Xavier Worthy has brings a lot

543
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: to the table and you're right. We've seen other guys

544
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: play at that waight or around that weight and stay healthy,

545
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: like Davonte Smith as an example, And you're right. These

546
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: are the guys we're talking about. Brian Thomas Junior, ad Mitchell,

547
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: Troy Franklin, Lad McConkie, Xavier Lyget and your boy, Xavier

548
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Speaker 1: Worthy Worthy. I'll put it to you this way. If

549
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Speaker 1: Worthy was the same guy and he was twenty five

550
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Speaker 1: pounds heavier, he might be up there with with Brian

551
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Speaker 1: Thomas or some of these other guys, particularly at that speed.

552
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: But he's not. And I'll say this, when you're talking

553
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: about the twenty eighth pick of the NFL Draft, certainly

554
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: you got to have something. And Worthy brings that the

555
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: fastest guy to ever run at the combine. I mean,

556
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: that's something, There's no question about it. But you got

557
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: to bring. Your body is your ticket, and I just

558
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: don't think there's enough of him there. I'm really worried

559
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Speaker 1: about a guy that weighs less than one hundred and

560
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Speaker 1: seventy pounds. Really worried about him, That's.

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Speaker 2: All I'll yeah. I mean, now that being said, I

562
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Speaker 2: mean I'll just say this, while I've been firmly on

563
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: the receiver train. More often than not, I have said

564
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: the Bills need two things at receiver. They need a

565
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: separator and they need a field stretcher. And that's why

566
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Speaker 2: I've been a proponent of them coming out of this

567
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: draft with two wide receivers, not just one. If you

568
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: can get it all in one package, maybe that's great.

569
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: I don't know that you can this year. Maybe I'm

570
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: about a volume approach here. So if you want to

571
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: go early and then go middle of the draft and

572
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: get another guy that can stretch the field for you, great,

573
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: But usually if you need an X separator and then

574
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: a field stretcher, you got to get the X guy

575
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: first and then worry about finding some speed demon later.

576
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Speaker 1: Speed is it's not you know, it's abundant. I mean,

577
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: you saw the old guys run fast at the combine.

578
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Speaker 1: Get somebody a guy that has size, is feeding, can

579
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Speaker 1: separate from guys that are elite athletes themselves. You know,

580
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: number one corners in the NFL. You got to be something.

581
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: You got to be a route runner and a separator. Yeah,

582
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to be.

583
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Speaker 2: I would tend to agree with you, Patrick, I think

584
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy is more than just a speed merchant. I

585
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: think he does have instincts, play instincts. He's not a

586
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: track guy playing football. I think he's a football player

587
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: that is fast. So I would not paint him as

588
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 2: purely a track athlete trying to play football. I think

589
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: he is more than that because I think there are

590
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: some instincts to his game, his ability to read coverage

591
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: fine exploit leverage weaknesses in a defense with his speed,

592
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Speaker 2: and what if we said over the years, like when

593
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: the Chiefs had Tyreek Hill or the Dolphins for that matter,

594
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: the guy outruns angles. So that's a problem and it's

595
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: something that a defense has to game plan for. But

596
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to stick to my volume approach here. I

597
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: want an ex who can separate, and I want a

598
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Speaker 2: field stretcher, and I want him to get both in

599
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Speaker 2: this draft. It's gonna happen, but hopefully it does.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of like I get where you're coming from. Patrick.

601
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Speaker 1: I here's my thought. I'd rather have the guy with

602
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: all the physical measures and be and have stuff you

603
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: can learn, right, Because you can't learn to be ultra fast,

604
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: or you can't learn to be ultra big and fast.

605
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: You can learn to be a route runner. You can

606
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Speaker 1: learn to be a separator. That's stuff that's between your ears,

607
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: and you can be taught that. You can drill that,

608
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: you can you can acquire that. You can't acquire size

609
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: and speed at this level. You either come in with

610
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: it and you can get a little bit better and

611
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: all that, but when you're coming up through the ranks,

612
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Speaker 1: that's where you developed that. By this time, if you're

613
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: not big enough and you're not fast enough, you're not enough.

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Speaker 1: That's why for me, I want a guy that's got

615
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Speaker 1: all of that. And I've been pounding this thing a

616
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: long time with Brownie. I'm all about this xavierly Get

617
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: because there's a guy two hundred. He's sixty one, so

618
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Speaker 1: he's taller than Xavier Worthy and he's two hundred and

619
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Speaker 1: twenty one pounds forty pounds heavier, thirty five anyway pounds heavier,

620
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: and he runs a sub He runs into low four threes. Physically,

621
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: he's everything catches it well now he's raw. But I

622
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: mean that's what NFL players do. They go out and

623
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: they practice running routes, they practice it. They driven tools

624
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: are there. His tools are there, and I know this.

625
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: Separators are great because you feel like you can plug

626
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: him in earlier in their career and they're going to

627
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: be able to make hay against good corners in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That to me is one of the things you learn.

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Speaker 1: You learn how to run routes, you learn how to

630
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Speaker 1: get open, you learn how to separate. You don't learn

631
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Speaker 1: how to be six ' one two twenty one or

632
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Speaker 1: run a four to three. That's where I'm at.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us. More of your phone calls when

634
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: we return, give us your favorite offensive prospect and favorite

635
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: defensive prospect in the draft for the Bills. Someone can

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Speaker 2: be over the moon to see the Bills land coming

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00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: up next to One Bill's Live. More of your phone call,

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00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: stay tuned all right back here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you two weeks away from

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four NFL Draft, and we want to

641
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: know who is your favorite offensive and favorite defensive prospect

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00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: in the draft for the Bills. Eight oh three zero

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Speaker 2: five fifty one eighty eight eight five fifty two, five

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Speaker 2: fifty the number to get on board, got open lines

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Speaker 2: for you and we go to Dan in Buffalo next.

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Speaker 2: What's up Dan?

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Speaker 3: Hi doing?

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Speaker 8: I just want to say I enjoy your show. And

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Speaker 8: my favorite, uh offensive player. I mean there's so many receivers.

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Speaker 8: This is the best receiver draft I could remember. I

651
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Speaker 8: like Brian Thomas Junior. He's tall, he's fast. I would

652
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Speaker 8: do whatever it takes trade up for him, I mean,

653
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Speaker 8: not give away all my draft picks. And I also

654
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Speaker 8: like that Exavier Logette is his name? Yeah, if you couldn't,

655
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Speaker 8: if you couldn't trade up and you can get him

656
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Speaker 8: on the twenty eighth and uh safe, I like, Uh,

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Speaker 8: I don't know what school he went to. Nuban is

658
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 8: his name, New Minnesota?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Neuban. Yeah, yeah, he's a he's a hell

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Speaker 2: of a player.

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Speaker 1: Dan, let me ask you this. Are you there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm here, all right?

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Speaker 1: If all right? So you're saying trade up to get

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior. What if one of those other three

666
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Speaker 1: guys is available instead of Brian Thomas Junior.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about? The top three?

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00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? The top three available? Where I mean you like

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Speaker 1: them as good as Brian Thomas Junior?

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Speaker 9: Right leged?

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Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I like him.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about he's talking about the top I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about Marvin Harrison, my leiku neighbors in Roma, Doonza.

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Speaker 8: I like I like Brian Thomas Junior just as much

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Speaker 8: as those three.

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Speaker 2: All right, Okay, that's what I wanted to know.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I wanted to know.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't even buy because any other

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Speaker 8: draft I think Thomas Junior is just as good as

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Speaker 8: those three, or he would have been higher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's yeah, he's in a He's in a deep class,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, he is a deep class. Thanks, And

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00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: that's what I'm That's really what it is. I mean, certainly,

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Speaker 1: if you wanted to, you can go up and get

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Speaker 1: any of those guys you want, but it's gonna cost

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00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: you know, like it's outrageously expensive in draft capital and

688
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: players and all the whatever name it. You might by

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00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: getting a really really top notch player, you might hamstring

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Speaker 1: your ability to put out a good team just to

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00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: get that one guy because of the draft capitol he'd

692
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Speaker 1: have to give up. So but yeah, all those guys

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Speaker 1: are out there. Who knows if you're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: shot at him.

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Speaker 2: Now, Tyler Newben's a nice pick on defense. You know,

696
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Speaker 2: obviously you've got an eye towards the safety position, and

697
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Speaker 2: I understand why. And Nuban, as far as I'm concerned,

698
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Speaker 2: he is the best safety in the class. Can do

699
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Speaker 2: just about everything. I mean, I've watched enough of him.

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Speaker 2: Like they match him up with tight ends, they have

701
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Speaker 2: him played the deep half. He can blitz from the

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00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: second level or up on the line of scrimmage. The

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Speaker 2: one thing I like about him, he's got this knack

704
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Speaker 2: for putting his helmet on the football of the ball

705
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: carrier to force fumbles. I watched tape he did that

706
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: like half a dozen times. Yeah, in his last two

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00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: seasons at Minnesota. And the other thing he does is

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00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: he baits quarterbacks into throwing balls they have no business

709
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: throwing like he is, like throw it, throw it, go

710
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: throw it. And then he jumps the route or what

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00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: have you. And I've said this before. He's got the

712
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: school record for interceptions at Minnesota, which, oh, by the way,

713
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: was where Antoine Winfield junior played. Who's going to sign

714
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: a gigantic contract with the Bucks. Sometimes a six one

715
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: two pound guy ran a you know he's a safety.

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00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: He ran a four to six forty. It's not it's

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Speaker 2: not one of those guys. Gonna jump off the page.

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Speaker 2: That's what safety's football IQ.

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Speaker 1: Right. Safeties are smart guys. Take it from me. I

720
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: played with a guy named Mark Kelso. I mean, it's

721
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: just that's what they do. That's why they're so smart.

722
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: Henry Jones another great example of that. Just a smart

723
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: guy could have played corner, but Henry could have. That's

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Speaker 1: why he was so good he was. They're just smart guys.

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Speaker 1: They have a they see things that other players don't.

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00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: They digest film in a way other players can't. And

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Speaker 1: you know this when you mentioned all the great ones

728
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Speaker 1: in history, and I've done this before the other day

729
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: with Troy, Paulamalu and Ed Reid, guys that were places

730
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Speaker 1: where you didn't think they were going to be because

731
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: they saw something that tipped him off. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Tyler Nuban is automatic guy for this, but that's what

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Speaker 1: you're looking for.

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Speaker 2: And many times four to six on the watch, but

735
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: his football IQ has him in places a lot faster

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Speaker 2: than anticipated. He plays faster than that.

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Speaker 1: That's right. These guys are the guys that make decisions early.

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Speaker 1: Uh So they don't have to be fast. They're already

739
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Speaker 1: over there. You know what I'm saying, so, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm totally with I like the defensive call Tyler Nuban.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think Cooper dejene is gonna be

742
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: that at twenty eight, you're gonna have your pick. I

743
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: think between these guys. So we'll see how how it

744
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: unrolls and what happens on Draft night. But yeah, that's

745
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: as a defensive player. I think he can't go wrong

746
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: with Tyler Newban.

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Speaker 2: Go to Tom on the west side here, what do

748
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: you have first? Tom?

749
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, I want to start off by wishing the

750
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 9: juice rest in peace if he can. He was a

751
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 9: better player than he was a man in my opinion,

752
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 9: and that's how I'm going to say about it. But anyway,

753
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 9: in regards to your question, I want to say that realistically,

754
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 9: I don't want to trade up to try and get

755
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 9: Neighbors or a Dooncy because it's going to be too costly.

756
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 9: So at best, if we can get Brian Thomas Junior

757
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 9: or even ad Ni Mitchell in the first round, I

758
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 9: think that might be the cutoff for the wide receivers

759
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 9: right there. So on defense, I would go with what

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00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 9: Steve just said. Cooper to Jean and if you can't

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Speaker 9: get him, that maybe settle for Newton.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Johnny Johnny NaN's tackle. Yeah, Okay, Tom, Yeah they're good. Yeah,

763
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: that's a good call too.

764
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Speaker 2: I think that illustrates and Steve has said this before.

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Speaker 2: They can't get a good player if they stay at

766
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Speaker 2: twenty eight. It's not like they wouldn't land a good prospect.

767
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: We just know what people's preferences are. But sometimes when

768
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: you're picking twenty eight and there's twenty seven teams in

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00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: front of you, your preferences kind of go out the window.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this though, and this I'm I'm doing it

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00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: because this is my belief. It's not getting the Bills

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00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: if they don't if Xavierly gets on the board. When

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00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: the Bills pick and they don't pick Xavier get they

774
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: take a d Mitchell, or they take you know, you

775
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: name it Xavier Worthy or somebody else. Xavierly gets going

776
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: in the first round because of his measurables, that's it.

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00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a team either from twenty nine through

778
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: thirty two. They're gonna take that joker because he measures

779
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: so good. He's too big, he's too fast, and there's

780
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: a player like him in the the NFL called Deebo Samuels,

781
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: who teams covet and they think they and they'll be

782
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: coaches in a room somewhere with an offensive coordinator who

783
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: will say I can do that with that guy, and

784
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: that will be all it takes. So I mark my words,

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00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: Xavier ly gets going somewhere in the first round.

786
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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna sneak in the bottom there after

787
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: the way he worked out. Break time for us here, Mari,

788
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: your phone calls when we return on One Bill's Live.

789
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Speaker 2: Stay with us all right back here on One Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live on a Thursday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you,

791
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: asking you for your favorite offensive prospect and defensive prospect

792
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: for the Bills in the twenty twenty four draft. I've

793
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: all got our favorites at this point. Let us know

794
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: who yours are. At eight oh three zero five fifty

795
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: we go to Mark in Jersey City. Next. What's up Mark?

796
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 10: Good afternoon, gentlemen. I'm gonna sound like a broken record

797
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 10: because Steve just wax pull out about him. Chris, I

798
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 10: know how you feel about him. Is I think Xavier

799
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 10: will get just not just the package, because I think

800
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 10: him at his size running what he ran. He ran

801
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 10: a four to four to seven his first try, came

802
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 10: back and ran a four to three nine on a

803
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 10: second try. It just I think it's more impressive than

804
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 10: what Worthy did. If you ask me personally, I think

805
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 10: it's more impressive than just I see more rackability in

806
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 10: him than I do and Worthy, and I think that's

807
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 10: what they want. I know they like Deebo Samuel back

808
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 10: in nineteen but obviously didn't get him. It just makes

809
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 10: perfect sense, and that you have a two tier. You

810
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 10: like your ex and your separator. The other guy like

811
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 10: is Baker, the Central Florida wide receiver. I really, I

812
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 10: really really like him. I think he's he's just so smooth.

813
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 10: He's a hands catcher. You just watching adjust of the ball.

814
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 10: He looks extremely extremely just fluid, and he can run

815
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 10: after they catch as well. The defensive player, you know,

816
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 10: Cbo grind Cooper just he plays like I don't I

817
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 10: don't know if that guy has like a an off

818
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 10: switch or a slow down button, Like he's just like

819
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 10: Turbo every play.

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00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still the best tape I've watched this whole

821
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: draft sequence. Who Edrin Cooper? Oh, best tape.

822
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: Guy that dude, you're right. I'm yeah electric. Brownie turned

823
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: me on too, Edgrin Cooper and thanks Mark, We're gonna

824
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: move along. It's like Brownie, you know, he's like Brownie

825
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: sold me crack cocaine. You know you watch the It's like,

826
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: I know I'm an addict. He's reference is that? Now

827
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: he's my guy?

828
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: You know?

829
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: Uh? Ed, like Edrin Cooper is a dude. The problem

830
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: we don't need a linebacker. I love the guys we got.

831
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: Now Milano, Okay, maybe he's got a little bit of

832
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: a dent in his arm or now that he's had

833
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: had a Maine dry.

834
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Speaker 2: And my super if we drafted him.

835
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: Right, the guy this guy is, I mean, it's I

836
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: mean he looks like Micah Parsons when he plays, and

837
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: he's a different position, but he's that kind of guy. Right.

838
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: He's long, lean, and he's like people are looking at

839
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: him like where did this guy come from? He's a

840
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: game wrecker, man, he is an absolute game wrecker and

841
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: and he he just he just plays like like like

842
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: I have four sons, they all played youth football. A

843
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: lot of guys have have sons who played youth football,

844
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: parents who and mom's out there. You know you've seen

845
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: your kids play. This is the older kid playing with

846
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: the younger kids. That's what he looks like. Yeah, he

847
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: looks like like he's the kid. That's like, Man, I

848
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't hurt my kid.

849
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 2: The other guy you're gonna like is Peyton Wilson, who's

850
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: the other linebacker from Enci State at a dynamite workout,

851
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 2: and that guy makes place all over the place.

852
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: Dude, Edward Cooper is the dude I can't wait. Well,

853
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be awesome, so I'm yeah, I'm

854
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: all about that. He plays the wrong position. It's the

855
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: wrong year of the draft for the Bills to grab

856
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: a guy like that, even though, but man, oh man,

857
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: that guy, that guy, he's go watch it it is.

858
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: He's just fun.

859
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: That guy made me.

860
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gla, I'm glazed over. I've watched ten guys.

861
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in my hotel room at the Combine put

862
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: his tappa and made me sit up in my chair.

863
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: WHOA, who's this guy? Same thing I'm looking at. You

864
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: sit you watch the film and it's like when you

865
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: first turn it on, I'm like, okay, well you don't

866
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: even know which guy you're supposed to be watching. So

867
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: he watched the first play and he makes you figure, okay,

868
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: so the guy's gonna make the tack. He makes the tackle.

869
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: It's like then it's like what look at this? And

870
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: he rewind it and it's like seriously, I mean he's

871
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: like he's like I mean, he's like a salmon swimming

872
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: up stream through traffic. I mean he's like, no, nothing

873
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: gets in his way.

874
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: He's like a bullet ruck.

875
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: He's like an eel. Now nobody can get a piece

876
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: of him. It's just yeah, okay, so that's enough about him.

877
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: Let's go to Uh, there's no way we'll never get him.

878
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: Let's go let's go to Gary in Lancaster next. What's

879
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: up Gary?

880
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 11: Okay, you guys. Yeah, he's kind of stole my Cooper thing.

881
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 11: But yeah we got next year, we got Kinkaid. There

882
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 11: was a wide receiver court kind of not great, and

883
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 11: we got the best tight on excellent. And there's a

884
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 11: lot of wide receivers. So do we get the best

885
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 11: linebacker like head drainer or something like that. There's there's

886
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 11: gonna be a lot of choices. I think they're gonna

887
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 11: be able to pick even like Cooper to John as

888
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 11: a as a safety, I mean solid, there's some solid

889
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 11: safeties out there, So I don't look at one position.

890
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 11: I think I think Bean's gonna look around and go, hey,

891
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 11: this guy can pop and he likes uh, he likes upside,

892
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 11: he likes raw, he likes he did it with when

893
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 11: we did uh the stoy hears with a musso and

894
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 11: and uh boogie back to He swings to get a

895
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 11: guy that if this guy goes and gets that talent,

896
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 11: Josh Allen was raw. I mean at the time he

897
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 11: had a lot of negatives, but so so he leans

898
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 11: toward the guy that has that. Like he said, you

899
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 11: can't coach. You couldn't coach what Josh Allen can do.

900
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 11: You can coach between the years and and he's he's

901
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 11: looking at guys like that, and uh, there there's enough

902
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 11: guys out there that with eleven picks, I think he's

903
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 11: gonna stack us with some pretty good guy. Receiver wise,

904
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 11: you fall in love with him. They're they're their agents

905
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 11: are pushing them. I don't know, they're they all have

906
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 11: a talent, are faster separation, we're running. They all they

907
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 11: can't coach speeds, their size we're running is I think

908
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 11: they can coach that catching the ball, like physically catching

909
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 11: the ball like in k Ken. I don't even coach that.

910
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 11: You can try to Kinkaid's got hand of glue. So

911
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 11: you're they're looking at a lot of stuff. But there's

912
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 11: enough raw talent out there where we're not locked into

913
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 11: anything really at twenty eight and there's and there's just

914
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 11: a real good guy there.

915
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

916
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. And that's the that's the best part

917
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: about it. You get caught up in this even when

918
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: you're in the even teams up in the top ten,

919
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: the fans base like and Brownie and Eye, guys like us,

920
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: we get caught up and oh man, I guysh I

921
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: hope this guy falls. I got you know, you get

922
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The guys that you're gonna get up

923
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: there and even at twenty eight are gonna be instant contributors.

924
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna be guys that are gonna be in there

925
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to You're gonna want to find

926
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: a way to get him on the field. They're gonna

927
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: be athletes, they're gonna be gifted, they're gonna stand out

928
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: when they're just standing around on the sidelines. They're gonna

929
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: be those kind of guys even at twenty eight. And now,

930
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, with with the things that have happened this

931
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: last off this offseason, Curtis Samuel, I think is a

932
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: big difference maker, and I showed Brownie this today. I

933
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: was watching some highlights of Khalil Shakir and I forgot,

934
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, he's a different guy. He is at this point.

935
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: He's way better than the Cole Beasley was when Cole

936
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: be Easley first got to Buffalo. That's who Khalil is.

937
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm I was under selling him from the

938
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: minute they drafted him, and now he's I'm bullish on

939
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: him now. I was watching some of his tape today

940
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: and I just I forgot what a difference he is.

941
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: The guy catches everything, he gets separation. He's always open,

942
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: and I mean not just open, really open, and that's

943
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: underneath zone routes and Manda man routes and he's just

944
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: there all the time. And at the end of the

945
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: season we saw all of that with Joe Brady giving

946
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: him the football. So I'm with Shakir, with Kincaid, with

947
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel and the rest of them, whether it's Tyrell

948
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: Shavers or whoever, whoever, whoever, I'm not afraid of our

949
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver room at all, particularly throwing Cook and Kincaid.

950
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: So there is a sense that maybe best player available

951
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: is an option the Bills are looking at. It's not

952
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: just going to be like all of us are saying,

953
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna be wide receiver. It's gonna be this guy,

954
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that guys. There's four guys at the

955
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: wide receiver that we're gonna pick from. Maybe, But I'll

956
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: say this, I there is space in my mind for

957
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: the best player, because I got to remind myself that

958
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: the twenty eighth best player in college football is gonna

959
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: be the Buffalo Bills, and no matter what position he plays,

960
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a really good dude. So I'm there

961
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: is space in my mind for that.

962
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: And the one thing I can guarantee you at twenty

963
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: eight is that Brandon Bean is gonna take a player

964
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: with elite physical traits. To Garrett's point, whether it's Greg

965
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: Russeau who had who was a one year starter, elite

966
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: physical traits, Kyrie Elam elite physical traits, Josh Allen elite

967
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: physical traits, Tremaine Edmunds, Elite physical traits run down the list.

968
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: That's what he targets over everything else. Character counts, production counts,

969
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: elite physical traits carry the day in Round one, gotta

970
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: take a break. Bill Barnwell from ESPN coming your way

971
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: in hour number two. We're gonna discuss the merits of

972
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: trading up or trading down. You'll be interested to know

973
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: what Barnwell's take is on that for the bills at

974
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 2: twenty eight when we return here on One Bill's Live.

975
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live, presented by Callida Health.

976
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into our number two on a Thursday,

977
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Please

978
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: be joined now by ESPN senior NFL writer Bill Barnwell,

979
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 2: also host of The Bill Barnwell Show on Your Apple Podcasts.

980
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 2: And we brought Bill aboard because had an interesting write

981
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: up where he kind of dissected Round one and argued

982
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: the merits on whether that team should trade up, stay put,

983
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: or trade down. We will not reveal what he said

984
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: for pick twenty eight in the bills, We'll let him

985
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: do that obviously. In the wake of the digs Trade Bill,

986
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: the opinions have varied considerably in terms of what people

987
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: think the Bills should do, at least here in Western

988
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: New York. Did they change your thoughts at all on

989
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: maybe what you initially thought Predig's trade for the Bills

990
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: and Postdigs trade for the Bills.

991
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny. I think a lot of people

992
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 4: saw the Digs trade and said, Okay, the Bills have

993
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 4: to trade up for a receiver. And I'm not going

994
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: to say that's the worst idea in the world by

995
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 4: any means, but I think it makes it even stronger

996
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 4: of a case to trade down at twenty eight and

997
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 4: try to get more selections in the top one hundred

998
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 4: of this draft. And the reason why is that now

999
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 4: you have another need for a receiver. Obviously you'd love

1000
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 4: to land a number one receiver, a plug in place

1001
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 4: to Von Diggs replacement, and there may be guys available

1002
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 4: if you trade up into the top ten who can

1003
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 4: be that guy. But of course, this is a team

1004
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 4: that not rebuilding but retooling. Certainly, I'm given their cap situation,

1005
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 4: they need to add some cost controlled young talent to

1006
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 4: their roster. And by all accounts, this is an extremely,

1007
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: extremely deep draft for impact receivers. This is a draft

1008
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: where you talk to people around the NFL, people who

1009
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 4: study the draft closely. They expect there to be Pro

1010
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 4: Bowl caliber stars available in round two, maybe even in

1011
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 4: round three of this draft at wide receivers.

1012
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: So to me, I think I.

1013
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 4: Would look at what the Packers have done in terms

1014
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: of building around Jordan Love when they had a messy

1015
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: cap situation. They spend multiple second, third, fourth, fifth round

1016
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 4: picks on receivers and built the receiving corps of young

1017
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 4: talent there. I look at what the Chiefs did post

1018
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 4: trading Tyreek Hill. They up their twelve personnel usage, used

1019
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 4: more two tight ends set, something that Bills did last

1020
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 4: year when Dalton Kid and Dawson Knox were healthy. And

1021
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: maybe go with a quantity approach where you're adding multiple

1022
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 4: receivers in the draft. You're adding guys for lessons. Freeds

1023
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 4: you like you Curtis Saniel, who they've already added of course,

1024
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 4: you know. To me, I feel like we're seeing teams

1025
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 4: maybe go in a different direction. Maybe that one expensive

1026
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 4: star receivers not the way to go. Maybe it is

1027
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 4: to try and get as many talented receivers as possible

1028
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 4: and try to spread the field out that way. And

1029
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 4: so from the post perspective in this draft, given how

1030
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 4: deep this draft is and Marguly they should trade down

1031
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 4: to twenty eight.

1032
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: Well, if you say that, and it sounds great, the

1033
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: problem is this, if you stay at twenty eight and

1034
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: don't trade down, there may be more than a handful

1035
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: of wide receivers who are exactly what people think they

1036
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: could be Pro Bowl wide receivers, and that kind of thing.

1037
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: Your odds of getting one of those guys is greater

1038
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: than if you trade down, and then all of a

1039
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: sudden you have to take the right guy rather than

1040
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: just one of a handful of guys that are available. Now,

1041
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: if you do stay at twenty eight, which wide receivers

1042
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: are going to be available? And people talk about Brian

1043
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior, they talk about Xavier Worthy, Xavier Leget, they

1044
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: talk about lad McConkie. You go down the list, certainly Harrison,

1045
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: Neighbors and no doones they are going to be off

1046
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: the board. But then it gets a little dicey. If

1047
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, A d Mitchell, Lad McConkie, Xavier Worthy, Javon Baker,

1048
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: if all those guys are on the board, why not

1049
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: take the if and if they are one of these

1050
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, future Hall of Fame or you know, wide receivers,

1051
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: why not grab the sure thing.

1052
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 4: No question? If it all depends on what Brandon Bean

1053
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: has in his scouting board, right, like you know, if

1054
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 4: Brandon Bean thinks, let's say Adie Mitchell is there, and

1055
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 4: he thinks Adi Mitchell is a Pro Bowl caliber receiver,

1056
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 4: maybe a short things always popping the draft right like

1057
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 4: they're there's never any true short thing. But if he

1058
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 4: feels much better about Aidy Mitchell, then a guy for

1059
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 4: the rest of the guys who are available after Adie Mitchell,

1060
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 4: and absolutely I say, you know, go ahead and take

1061
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 4: that guy, maybe even trade up a couple of picks

1062
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 4: to make sure you get him, you know, in that range.

1063
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 4: But if you look at this draft, and like I said,

1064
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 4: if he sees it the same when other people see it,

1065
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 4: which we don't know, we won't know until Draft day,

1066
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 4: but if there are you know, kind of that top tier,

1067
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 4: those top three guys, maybe Brian Thomas is in kind

1068
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 4: of Tier two by himself, and then kind of you

1069
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 4: know a mix of guys and Tier three, tier four

1070
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 4: where those guys are impact players. I think if you

1071
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 4: have kind of three or four players in the same tier,

1072
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 4: then yes, it makes sense to trade down because of course,

1073
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 4: you know you could add more than one receiver. The

1074
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 4: best way to add an impact receiver, right, he'd add

1075
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: two receivers as opposed to one and see who you

1076
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 4: know breaks out. And certainly this is a Bills team

1077
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 4: that's going to have me elsewhere on their roster as well.

1078
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: There's missing depth from this team. There's you know, need

1079
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 4: helping the secondary. Perhaps, you know, there's a lot of

1080
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: places they can go if they add extra picks as well.

1081
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 4: So certainly, if there's a guy they love and he's

1082
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 4: on the board, take him. I had no issue with

1083
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 4: these things, but frankly no issue with trading up a

1084
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 4: little bit as well. I just think given what everyone

1085
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: is saying the strength of this draft is, I would

1086
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 4: lean into them.

1087
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: So, I know, Bill, you do your fair amount of research,

1088
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: and you know this volume approach to the draft certainly

1089
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: has its merits. What has recent history of teams that

1090
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: have kind of taken that volume approach demonstrated to you

1091
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: in terms of results and success you know in recent

1092
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: years by you know, moving back collecting more picks, taking

1093
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: a volume approach.

1094
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's usually the right way to go. I mean,

1095
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 4: there's always exceptions, right, You know, the Chiefs don't regret

1096
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: trading up for Patrick Mahomes, but those don't regret regret

1097
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 4: trading up for Josh Allen. No questions there. But at

1098
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: the same time, I mean, think about the trade the

1099
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 4: Chiefs made a couple of years ago where they traded

1100
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins. Tyreek Hill has been everything

1101
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 4: everything the Dolphin then could have imagined in terms of

1102
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 4: being an impact player for the for Miami. But the

1103
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 4: Chiefs went out, they got Trent McDuffie with the first

1104
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 4: round pick they acquired from the Dolphins in that Tyreek

1105
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 4: Hill trade. They added a bunch of depth elsewhere on

1106
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 4: the roster. They added twenty five million dollars to work

1107
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 4: with in terms of cap space. To me, typically you

1108
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 4: look at what the great sort of team builders have

1109
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 4: done in draft history, whether it be Belichick, Ozzie Newsome,

1110
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 4: they've typically been been Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in

1111
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 4: Green Bay, Jimmy Johnson in Dallas. Those guys have typically

1112
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 4: been about trading down a massing more picks. But again,

1113
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 4: it really all comes back to that combination that, Okay,

1114
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 4: this is what makes sense on paper, this does what

1115
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 4: makes sense to the best practice, But what does your

1116
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 4: draft board say, Brandon Bean, I think is earn the

1117
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt in terms of his evaluations, in

1118
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 4: terms of how he handles the draft. If there's a

1119
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 4: guy he loves, if he thinks Ermadonday is the next

1120
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 4: Julio Jones, the straight up for a Madoom day. To me,

1121
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 4: I think you know it's going to connect that combination

1122
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 4: of In general, trading down is best, but also trust

1123
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 4: your draft board, trust your scouts, and trust your read

1124
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 4: of the league.

1125
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 3: As a whole.

1126
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: How many wide receivers go in the first round? What's

1127
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: your gut tell you.

1128
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 4: I would guess five, And I think there's more than

1129
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 4: five receivers who have first round talent. But I think

1130
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 4: you're gonna see teams a little patient at the end

1131
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 4: of the first round because they can say, hey, you know, yes,

1132
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: there's not that big of a drop off between maybe

1133
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 4: a guy who's there at twenty eight, twenty nine and

1134
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 4: the guys who are there at forty seven, the guys

1135
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 4: who are there at fifty five, and so I think

1136
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 4: you're gonna see teams they reach a little bit for

1137
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 4: other positions, or maybe you know, they can get the

1138
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 4: best safety in the draft. They can get the best

1139
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 4: center in the draft. They can get maybe Brought Bowers,

1140
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 4: the best tight end.

1141
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 6: In the draft.

1142
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,959
Speaker 4: They can get those guys you know in the second

1143
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 4: half of the first round and maybe push them to

1144
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 4: the wide receivers back because there's so many of them

1145
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 4: in this class. So my guess is five, you know,

1146
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 4: you know, i'd say four for sure with Thymas, I

1147
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 4: think eighty Mitchell will be number five. I think I

1148
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if we saw you know, five in

1149
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 4: the first round, and then probably oh gosh, maybe seventeen

1150
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 4: or eighteen across the first three rounds together. It's gonna

1151
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 4: be a wide receiver heavy first couple of days of

1152
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 4: this draft.

1153
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: Bill regarding you know, moving up down or staying put.

1154
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: If the Bills decide to make a small move up

1155
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: the board, not a gigantic one, as Brandon Bean has

1156
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: done in four of the six drafts for the Bills,

1157
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: who would you target as a candidate that might be

1158
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: looking to move back in somewhere in the middle of

1159
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: round one, you know, whether it's a Seattle or a

1160
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 2: Jacksonville or a Cincinnati, someone in that range.

1161
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think those teams are all all valid possible candidates.

1162
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 4: I think, you know, the Bengals would make sense. You

1163
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 4: always sort of wonder, right, Like the Bengals are sort

1164
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 4: of a you know, the rival to the Bills, certainly,

1165
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 4: and they always wonder if your rival is going to

1166
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 4: do you a solid and make that trade of the

1167
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 4: maybe toards. The Eagles of twenty two, they're a team

1168
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 4: that typically they're they're very aggressive on draft Day. They

1169
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 4: might move up a pick or two to get their guy.

1170
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: They're also very.

1171
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 4: Comfortable moving down adding extra picks, and they have, like

1172
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 4: the builds, a very expensive quarterback. So I think there's

1173
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 4: a lot of different ways they can go, you know,

1174
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 4: But I do think I don't We've heard a lot

1175
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 4: of conversation about the idea of trading up into the

1176
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 4: top ten for in Adonesday four of elite neighbors, and

1177
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 4: it's just tough to see that. You know, Brandon Beans

1178
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 4: really values the draft. He's made aggressive trades for for

1179
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 4: us to Von Diggs of course being the most notable,

1180
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 4: but just hard to see him giving up would probably

1181
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 4: be two first round picks to move up and get

1182
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 4: into the top ten.

1183
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: So it feels like we talk about Bills here all day,

1184
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: every day. And we've always thought that the entire conference,

1185
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: the AFC, is kind of in this arms race, and

1186
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: certainly all the teams. Most teams would be willing to grow,

1187
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: grow up and grab if they had, if it was

1188
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: within reach, get one of those top three receivers, because

1189
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, the weapons the better. But is there another team,

1190
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: even in the AFC or maybe around the league, who's

1191
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, ahead of Buffalo up there? Which teams are

1192
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: as wide receiver hungry as Bills Fans think the Bills.

1193
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 4: Are the build are it feels like they are the most,

1194
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 4: especially after the Dates trade right where you know you

1195
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 4: have that sort of gaping hole now in your receiving corps.

1196
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 4: A few teams come to mind for me. I think

1197
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 4: you look at the Jets, of course, a team that

1198
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 4: they have Garrett Wilson, they have Mike Williams, but they're

1199
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 4: all in around Aaron Rodgers. For this upcoming season. The

1200
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 4: Giants drafted quarterback in six you figured they're going to

1201
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 4: be the market for a wide receiver. The Chargers, if

1202
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 4: they trade down from five, they could try to move

1203
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 4: back up and get one of the wide receivers. And

1204
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 4: then another team I think you know quietly might be

1205
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 4: in the mix with be the Detroit Lions, where they

1206
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 4: have online Rossa Brown. They used to first start picking

1207
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 4: Jamison Williams. The first two years has been pretty hit

1208
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 4: or missed because they injury, the gambling suspension, hasn't been

1209
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 4: an impact player on the field. I can see them saying, hey,

1210
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 4: maybe we're one player away and maybe we make an

1211
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 4: aggressive move for a wide receiver. So definitely teams in

1212
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 4: the mix. But again, I think so much depends not

1213
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 4: only on the wide receivers, but also the quarterback situation

1214
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 4: and what happens in the top five picks, top six

1215
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 4: picks of this draft. Who moves up, who moves down,

1216
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 4: and how that changes the draft board. I think you're

1217
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 4: going to see a lot of teams have to kind

1218
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 4: of act on their feet on draft day once we

1219
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 4: see what happens through the first six ticks of this draft.

1220
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and regarding those quarterbacks, Bill, I know you put

1221
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: a piece together recently about how drafting quarterbacks is hard

1222
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 2: and why they are likely going to be some busts

1223
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: here If four or five go in round one. I

1224
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: the history is well known. People will take more chances

1225
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: on quarterback because I guess they figure it's worth the

1226
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 2: risk because if you hit, you're set for ten twelve years.

1227
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: And if you miss, yeah, it might set you back

1228
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 2: because you've essentially wasted a first round pick. But John

1229
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 2: elways take multiple swings in multiple years when he was

1230
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: the executive in Denver and missed more than he hit. Certainly,

1231
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: But what did you uncover, you know in putting that

1232
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: piece together.

1233
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know somethings that that kind of seemed obvious,

1234
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 4: Like you know, uh, it's about fifty to fifty in

1235
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 4: terms of hitting a significant or hitting a starter versus

1236
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 4: hitting a bus to quarterback in the first round, which

1237
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 4: I think he asked people. That's probably about what they

1238
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 4: would say. I think it's a little like like fifty

1239
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 4: two percent bust or something like that. In terms of

1240
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 4: guys who did not make an impact as a pro quarterback,

1241
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 4: about thirty percent chance of hitting that franchise guy that

1242
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 4: you know, you're Josh Allen, you're Trevor Lawrence, or Justin Herbert,

1243
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 4: you're Joe Burrow. The guy you have for the next decade.

1244
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 4: But what I found that I felt was, you know,

1245
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 4: sort of interesting about these quarterbacks is you don't really

1246
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 4: see a big difference between you know, the top five

1247
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 4: and the rest of the first round in terms of

1248
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 4: the hit rate. You know, obviously you want to get

1249
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 4: into the top five, you want to get that guy.

1250
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 4: But we're seeing more teams draft more and more quarterbacks,

1251
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 4: not just in the top three, not just in the

1252
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 4: top five, but throughout the first round. And the reason

1253
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 4: why is the financial reasons involved. There's a financial incentive

1254
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 4: to hit these guys because it's not just you know,

1255
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 4: not just landing in quarterback, but you're landing a player

1256
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 4: for cheap at the most expensive position in football. I mean,

1257
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones making forty one million dollars a year, Kirk

1258
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 4: Cousins is a both within the forty five million dollar range.

1259
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 4: You're having a guy's making yourup to fifty. Dark Prescott's

1260
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 4: probably getting make sixty million dollars a year on a

1261
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 4: new deal. When you can get a guy like a CJ.

1262
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 4: Stroud last year, for example, Sue Days started thinking about

1263
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 4: nine million dollars a year, it just gives you so

1264
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: much to work with us here on your roster. And

1265
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 4: we saw that in practice with Stefon Diggs right now.

1266
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 4: The Bills traded for Stefan Diggs when Josh Allen's on

1267
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 4: his rookie deal. Because they had a lot of cash

1268
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 4: space to work with, they were able to get to

1269
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 4: be aggressive, go out and get it, you know, an

1270
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 4: immediate impact player to help out Josh Allen. Now Josh

1271
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: Allen gets more expensive, he gets the contract he deserves,

1272
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 4: the Bills have to cut back in some places. They

1273
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 4: trade Josh, they trade Defon Diggs. So the US who

1274
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 4: have another rookie quarterback in TJ's draft, they can afford

1275
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 4: to be the ones going out and spending a bunch.

1276
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 4: So it really lets you reset your roster. And if

1277
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: you hit on a guy, you're saving so much money

1278
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 4: at quarterback that you could really build a great team

1279
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 4: around that quarterback with the Savors.

1280
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Bill, Well, listen, thanks for the time.

1281
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 2: We know you're busy this time of year, so we

1282
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 2: appreciate you joining us and we'll catch up with you

1283
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 2: later on the off season.

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Speaker 12: Enjoy the draft anytime, guys.

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Speaker 2: All Right. That's Bill Barnwell, ESPN, NFL senior writer also

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Speaker 2: host of the Bill Barnwell Show podcast on Apple Podcasts. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they likes doing the research and then sharing it with her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the stuff about the quarterbacks at the top of

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Speaker 1: the draft, I mean, what happens most of the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna take one in the first round, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna get him in the top of the draft because

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Speaker 1: they want to make sure they get him if he's

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01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: the right guy. Let's make the little extra effort to

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Speaker 1: go get the guy. You know, you think Baltimore's bumming

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01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: out because they picked Lamar Jackson thirty second now, but

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Speaker 1: they got the extra year. They've taken him thirty second,

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: they get an extra year on his contract, and it's

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01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: all financial at that point. Plus he turns out to

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01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: be this unicorn of a dude, and they get the

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01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 1: benefit of having their guy for another decade and the

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01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: financial benefit of getting him for an extra year. Where

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01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: we were talking about the franchise quarterback thing, they even

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01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,839
Speaker 1: if they franchise him and they can't reach an agreement,

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01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: which they finally did, they still that's only one year

1305
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: and that's no cap future cap hit even if they

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: lost him and franchised him again. So yeah, the incentive

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01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: is and that's why quarterbacks are taken to the top

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01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: of the draft because teams they they got to get

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01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: that guy, and if they have to make a little

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01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 1: extra effort to get the right and nobody cares. Nobody's

1311
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 1: even nobody even looks sideways at the two trades that

1312
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean made to get up at the top of

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Speaker 1: the draft to take Josh and he was a third

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01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: guy taken. So third, yeah, third guy taken. So yeah,

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01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: that's why these quarterback all go at the top of

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: the draft. You know, none of these JJ McCarthy, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, and.

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01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: Jyalen Daniels, you know, Caleb Williams. Okay, they're all great,

1319
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: They're all Drake may stats tell us that at least

1320
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: two of them are gonna stink, right, But if they don't,

1321
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: you gotta get him. You gotta get him.

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01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: Fifty two straight.

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Speaker 1: They stink, and not only bust. I mean, think about it.

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01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 2: Just think about the twenty twenty one draft.

1325
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they all stunk.

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01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you got four guys that are already on

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Speaker 2: their second team from the twenty one draft.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's why, I mean, I get it. It's hard.

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01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: Why is it so hard? It's God, I think a

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: lot of.

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 2: It too, and we didn't talk about this with Bill.

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Speaker 2: Is the situation you're dropped into also, yeah, I mean

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: people are going to get it sometimes it's it's about

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01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 2: the situation you're dropped into. The stability of the organization,

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01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,560
Speaker 2: the coaching staff, how you're coached, how you're developed. That

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Speaker 2: all goes into the soup.

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Speaker 1: Because I'll say it goes above that as well, into

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: the GM and the person, into the philosophy. Why is

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01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: it that the Chicago Bears have been what they've been

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Speaker 1: for four decades? Even the quarterback they quarterraft Desert, they

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01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: quarterback they drafted that got them to and won the

1342
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl says publicly that that's the place where quarterbacks

1343
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: go to die, because it's it's something in the building.

1344
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: And so that's you're fighting against that as well. You

1345
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,560
Speaker 1: think Caleb Williams is chomping at the bit to go

1346
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Speaker 1: to Chicago if he's.

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01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: After you're watching what happened to Justin Field's probably not.

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Speaker 6: No.

1349
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: His agent's going play just no, no, not to please

1350
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: not the Bears. He's thinking, come on, just even Washington,

1351
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: new new new ownership, Let's go fresh start, Let's all

1352
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: just let's all grow together, right New even New England

1353
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 1: with Gerrod Mayo completely unproven.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I mean, oh my gosh, let's uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's get back to the conversation where we're asking you

1356
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 2: what is your favorite offensive prospect, favorite defensive prospect for

1357
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 2: the Bills in this year's draft to some people that

1358
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: have been waiting patiently, as we go to Doug in

1359
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 2: Little Valley next, what do you have for us?

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Speaker 1: Doug?

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01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 13: Well, hi there, guys, thanks for being on. I've got

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01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 13: a defense and offensive pick Mike take is to go defense.

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01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 13: I like Darius Robertson from Missouri.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he's a long, long, angular player. I don't

1365
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: know how you felt, Doug. I watched him play and

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Speaker 2: I almost feel like he's a perfect fit for an

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 2: end position in a three to four defense more than

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01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: anything else. Why do you like him for the Bills?

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Speaker 13: I think he's like Leonard Floyd on steroids. I think

1370
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 13: a guy like him coming in could play right away.

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Speaker 13: I think he would make He would shore up the

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Speaker 13: way we've been for the last few years attacking the quarterback.

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 13: I think that's what we need to help shore up

1374
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 13: the rest of our defense. Milano coming back's good in

1375
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 13: the middle. We've got a good safety back there.

1376
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 13: Our cornerbacks are really good at covering the short game,

1378
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 13: and with him in there, it's going to make it

1379
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 13: hard for the quarterbacks to reach that long distance guy.

1380
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 13: And then I think if we got him, and he

1381
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 13: might be available, Tampa Bay is looking at him, but

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Speaker 13: he might be available if we got somebody like him,

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01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 13: he's definitely could be I think he could start for

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Speaker 13: the Bills. And I think in the second round we

1385
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Speaker 13: could easily pick up a guy that I like for

1386
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:56,480
Speaker 13: the receiver and Lad mcconachey. He's very smart, very coachable,

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Speaker 13: he can really fly. He's a four P thirty nine

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Speaker 13: in the forty yard and uh, he catches the ball

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Speaker 13: the way he catches the ball. He's a good guy

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01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 13: to be out there. And the ball's coming down in

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01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 13: front of him and he gets it and he hangs

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Speaker 13: on to it like Shakir kinda. So I guess that's

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Speaker 13: my take.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I don't know if mcconki will be there

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Speaker 1: at sixty.

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01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 2: I doubt it, but I like you.

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Speaker 1: I like where your mind's at. And I'll say this too.

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Speaker 1: Darius Robinson you're right.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: He's a difference maker. He and he ticks off some boxes.

1401
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: He's six five two eighty five.

1402
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 2: Uh, that's big, little stiff in the hips, but yeah,

1403
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: I mean he's a powerful player.

1404
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: He's stiff, but he's also and when you watch him rush,

1405
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: he's a little slippery too as he makes it, you

1406
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He's got that kind of like

1407
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: like Leonard Floyd. I see the I see what you see.

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01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: A little bigger and thicker than Leonard.

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a little heavier than Leonard. But that doesn't

1410
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: mean he won't you know that he doesn't have more

1411
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: to do with his body and all that stuff when

1412
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Speaker 1: he becomes captain.

1413
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: That's always a plus with the.

1414
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Speaker 1: Bills, I see it, I see all that, and yeah,

1415
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: that would because you can't have a pass rush that's

1416
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: too good, it's impossible.

1417
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 2: I think a receiver who could be there at sixty

1418
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 2: is that Pearsaw kid from Florida, right, who can play

1419
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: outside or inside. He's a separator. That's a kid that

1420
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: could be there at sixty. I don't think McConkie is

1421
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: going to be there, but player a little bit more size,

1422
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: a little bit more length and runs almost as fast.

1423
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: He runs a four to four to one, So pearsaw

1424
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: the kid from Florida might be a guy you want

1425
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: to keep your eye on if the Bills are looking

1426
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: for a receiver in round two at sixty, gotta take

1427
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,480
Speaker 2: a break here, we're up against the clock. Steven Williamsville,

1428
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 2: Jack and cheek Towaga. You guys will be next, so

1429
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 2: stay where you're at. We'll get your favorite offensive and

1430
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 2: defensive prospects in the draft for the Bills. Next. Here

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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, presented by co Lot of Health,

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, we're going to head

1433
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 2: right back to the follows. Here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Paster with you andswer some people waiting patiently.

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01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: We go to Steve in Williamsville.

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01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: Next.

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01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 2: What do you got for Steve?

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01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, With regard to the offensive prospect that I

1439
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 6: like the best, especially at our spot to echo the

1440
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 6: last caller, my favorite would be Lad McConkey. To me,

1441
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 6: he's Emmanuel Sanders two point zero. He's a quick separator

1442
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 6: and an elite route runner, which I think goes well

1443
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 6: with Josh's game. And also he's a good zone buster,

1444
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 6: and as you know, teams don't like to play man

1445
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 6: against Josh Lope gets eats them up with the run.

1446
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 6: So get me a good zone buster all day, and

1447
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 6: I think you can find that field stretcher later on.

1448
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 6: As far as a defensive player with I know there

1449
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 6: were some good arguments made earlier for good defensive backs,

1450
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,839
Speaker 6: but with mcdermot's track record, with later picks and veterans

1451
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 6: being able to develop back that way, I'd rather strengthen

1452
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 6: the line, especially the interior. It's becoming a premium to

1453
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 6: get an interior pass rush, especially against teams like the

1454
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 6: Chiefs who are strong in the middle of their old line.

1455
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 6: So if I can get a Byron Murphy, he might

1456
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 6: not be available around two, but I would love a

1457
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 6: Byron Murphy or some kind of interior pass rusher as

1458
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 6: I don't like our depth in the middle of our

1459
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 6: line right now.

1460
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. I mean Byron Murphy, I think is

1461
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: going to be gone in the first twenty picks. If

1462
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 2: he gets past Pittsburgh at twenty, I'll be stunned. So

1463
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: round two isn't even an option for a player like him.

1464
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: There are others. Most believe that Johnny Newton, the defensive

1465
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 2: tackle from Illinois, will be there for the Bills at

1466
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: twenty eight. I think even that's going to be cutting

1467
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 2: it close. I think a team like Tampa might scoop

1468
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 2: him up right in front of Buffalo. And the defensive

1469
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 2: tackle class isn't nearly as deep as the receiver class

1470
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 2: or the offensive tackle class. So if you need a DT,

1471
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna have to swing sooner rather than later.

1472
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 2: Not to say you couldn't get somebody in round two,

1473
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 2: but the drop off is more severe.

1474
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: Generally speaking. It's pretty easy to see that because the

1475
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: way we've been talking about wide receivers and how these

1476
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: guys are set apart physically. The guys that are six

1477
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: foot six foot two plus plus over two hundred pounds,

1478
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: who can run fast and separate, they're rare. That's why

1479
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: that you know this is there's four of them in

1480
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 1: this draft, or three or four of them in this draft,

1481
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: and and it's a huge draft for it.

1482
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 13: Right.

1483
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: Think about how rare it is that you can find

1484
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 1: big dudes who can really play six ' five plus

1485
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds plus, who are athletes. You know, these

1486
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: guys that can do all this crazy stuff in their

1487
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: in their testing. Those guys don't come along. That's why

1488
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: twenty eight sounds like a big number when there's only

1489
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: thirty two teams. But there's it's a short list of

1490
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 1: guys who jump out with physical traits. That's why every

1491
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: almost every team grabs guys like that. So these guys

1492
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 1: that are huge guys down inside, down inside, interior pass rushers,

1493
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 1: they're unicorns. Are you kidding me? Aaron Donald is a

1494
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime player, and you know, they just

1495
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 1: don't come along. So those guys are long gone. Anybody

1496
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 1: like that, they're long gone at twenty eight or particularly

1497
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: at sixty where the building the second round pick. So

1498
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: as rare as it is to find these receivers like

1499
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: you know, you know a Doonza and Marvin Harrison Junior

1500
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: and neighbors, you know aj Brown, you know all these

1501
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: guys that we've seen in the past, Julio Jones. They're

1502
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: even more rare on the defensive line. So when the

1503
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: teams get a chance at these guys, they jump at it.

1504
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: So all these guys with these huge physical traits get

1505
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: snatched up and their resume gets pushed to the side.

1506
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: If it's not up to snuff because they want the traits,

1507
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 1: and the coaches are always thinking like they can fix

1508
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: the guy. So guys like you're talking about these Byron

1509
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: Murphy's and the world, they ain't gonna last because they're

1510
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: so rare genetically. That's just that's the rules of the game.

1511
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: It's a big man's game. That's not changing. Let's go

1512
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 2: to Jack in cheek towaggan X. What's up Jack?

1513
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 3: Hi?

1514
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 6: Guys.

1515
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 7: Basically, to answer the question directly, I've got, you know,

1516
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 7: the wide receiver Mitchell as the offensive favorite, and nose

1517
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 7: tackle or defensive lineman Johnny Newton from Illinois as the

1518
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 7: defensive prospect. But my biggest point here is I don't

1519
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 7: think we should draft the twenty eight unless the Bills.

1520
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 7: I absolutely think that the guy that they've got is

1521
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 7: a significant difference maker. I think we should trade back now.

1522
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 7: I called in Monday and Steven said, using the Jimmy

1523
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 7: Johnson chart, we might get a two and maybe two

1524
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 7: threes for that twenty eight pick. If that's the case

1525
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 7: and the wide receiver depth is so good, like Barnwell says,

1526
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 7: if we're going to get two wide receivers and a

1527
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:06,600
Speaker 7: safety and a defensive lineman with our two two's and

1528
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 7: our two threes. Now, wouldn't we rather have four possible

1529
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 7: starters or at least good depth players than you know,

1530
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 7: the using that one pick on twenty eight. Right, that's it, guys.

1531
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 1: Always, here's the thing too, here's the problem, and now

1532
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: here's what will happen for twenty eight. You could get

1533
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: a mid mid second and a high third for the

1534
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: twenty eighth pick, or maybe better maybe maybe a high

1535
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: second and a mid third that kind of thing. You

1536
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: can get a second, a two and a three for

1537
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: the twenty eight. You can't get three threes into two.

1538
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: You can get a three in a two for that,

1539
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: and pretty good three in a two. You know, I'm

1540
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: not talking like you know, sixty second and the and

1541
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: the you know, the ninety eighth we're talking, you know,

1542
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 1: we're talking a mid We're talking of a forty pick

1543
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 1: and a seventy pick sort of kind of thing. But

1544
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: that's for the twenty eighth pick.

1545
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: So instead of having two picks in the top one hundred,

1546
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:12,879
Speaker 2: you would.

1547
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: Have three, right, but the first one would be at sixty.

1548
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 2: Well, no, it would be in the forties somewhere.

1549
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: Right right, it'd be in the forties. You could get a.

1550
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: Forty something, sixty and then seventy something.

1551
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: That's right, You could get a second and a third

1552
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: for the twenty eighth pick somewhere in there, depending on

1553
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: what team you're talking to, right, So, and you got

1554
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: to go, you know, you got to It starts at

1555
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: Carolina at thirty three and goes to Kansas City at

1556
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: sixty four. And there's some changes in the middle there

1557
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: because of trades and all the stuff that we're aware of.

1558
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 2: And Carolina and Houston are two teams with like multiple

1559
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: second round picks, so them parting with the two might

1560
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: not be as cost prohibitive for them as it might

1561
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 2: be for some others.

1562
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: You could get Carolina's thirty ninth if you could talk

1563
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 1: to them and they'd do it. You could get their

1564
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: thirty ninth pick and their sixty fifth pick, So you'd

1565
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: go from twenty eight to thirty nine and then sixty

1566
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: and sixty five. That's what kind of you're looking at,

1567
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: right for the twenty eighth pick. So that's what you're doing. Now.

1568
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: Is there anybody on the draft board that Carolina would

1569
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: jump from thirty three to twenty eight to get number one?

1570
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 2: Receiver, wouldn't hurt them help Bryce Young out?

1571
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: Maybe? Maybe because they've got the thirty third pick, they

1572
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: also have the thirty ninth pick, and we're trading the

1573
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: twenty eighth for the thirty ninth if we If the

1574
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: Bills trade thirty twenty eight for thirty three, that's hardly

1575
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: a move back at all for the Bills.

1576
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not.

1577
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna you're gonna the third round four maybe, Yeah,

1578
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 1: the third round of your pickup is probably gonna be somewhere.

1579
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: Might not eve me getting a third Yeah, I don't

1580
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get into the third with Carolina's pick,

1581
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: but maybe you could get them to give you their

1582
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and first pick and perhaps there let's see,

1583
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: where is it? One forty two? You know I mean

1584
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: that or both? Right?

1585
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting back five slots. You could not gonna

1586
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: get as much return as you would for pick thirty,

1587
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 2: that's right.

1588
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: And something else you could you could get there. You

1589
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 1: could get maybe both those picks, the one forty one pick,

1590
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: and then you'd also have the one forty four pick

1591
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: of your own, So you get a bunch of picks

1592
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: right there.

1593
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 2: To get those and move up if you want.

1594
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could start doing some stuff with all that,

1595
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 1: but that's what you're looking at. They. I think you

1596
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: could probably talk to them about the thirty ninth pick,

1597
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: but they're not giving up the thirty third pick for

1598
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: twenty eight plus a second plus a third.

1599
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, let's go to Jeff in Buffalo, Nex.

1600
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 2: What's up, Jeff?

1601
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 12: Hey, guys are real good, Hey, real quick, get a

1602
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 12: little deep here. Those are gonna have a ton of money, Well,

1603
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 12: shouldn't say a ton of money, but they're gonna be

1604
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 12: in a good, good cat space place next year with

1605
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 12: it kept going up and the moves they made. As

1606
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 12: far as players, yeah, I'm not going to give you

1607
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 12: a names, but yeah, definitely we receiver. Everybody knows we

1608
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 12: need receiver help and linebacker. Don't forget about that linebacker

1609
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 12: physician and Modonald coming back being unproven and so on

1610
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 12: and so forth. Real quick, if I may, how much

1611
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 12: do you see or in my scenario would be opposite?

1612
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 12: What would be the value of our first pick, the

1613
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 12: twenty eight pick this year, next year's first round pick.

1614
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 12: Don't forget we got that second round pick, which is

1615
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 12: probably only going to be ten to fifteen slots, hopefully

1616
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 12: in difference between our first round pick this year. So

1617
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 12: what do you get for our first round pick this

1618
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 12: year our first round pick next year? How far up

1619
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 12: the board does.

1620
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 3: That take us? And my second question would be, even

1621
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 3: though we're going to fill this spot supposedly for a receiver,

1622
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 3: the Bills offense is definitely gonna have to diversify as

1623
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 3: far as who gets the ball and how many targets

1624
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 3: and where it goes? Do you agree? And you know,

1625
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 3: like Kincaid, Cook, Shakir so on and so forth, more

1626
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 3: of a moving that type of direction where it's a

1627
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you still need that number one receiver,

1628
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 3: but you're not gonna lean on them like it the

1629
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 3: Dicks at least not these first rookie years, so long

1630
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 3: and so forth. Right, if you if you understand what

1631
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying, So, but yeah, where is the where's our

1632
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 3: first round picks take us this year? Next year?

1633
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 1: All right? If you give if you give the Bills

1634
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: the twenty eighth pick of this draft, and you're gonna

1635
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 1: trade your next year's draft pick as well, you're not

1636
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: gonna if you're a team you're trading with, no team's

1637
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna say, okay, you're gonna your pick next year is

1638
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: going to be at the top of the second round. No,

1639
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, listen, your pick's gonna be down the

1640
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: bottom of the second round, just like it is this year.

1641
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 1: So if you double it up and say Buffalo's picking

1642
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: twenty eighth this year and they're gonna pick twenty eighth

1643
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: next year, right, that would move you up to number eight.

1644
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 2: You can get in the top ten.

1645
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 1: You can get in the top ten if you trade

1646
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,759
Speaker 1: this year's one and next year's one. By my calculate,

1647
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: you'd get up in the top ten like number up

1648
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: to Atlanta and quickly.

1649
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: As far as your question about how the passing game

1650
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: is going to work this year, I do expect a

1651
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: more democratic approach in terms of ball distribution. I think

1652
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 2: Kinkaid could very well be the number one target by

1653
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 2: the time we get to the end of the season.

1654
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 2: The guy caught seventy three balls last year as a

1655
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 2: rookie with Diggs and Davis on the roster, so he

1656
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 2: could very easily be number one. But it could be

1657
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 2: somebody else. And maybe there is a more even distribution

1658
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 2: because you don't want to put as much on the

1659
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 2: future number one receiver, who's the high draft pick if

1660
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 2: one is made. Gotta take a break. We'll wrap it

1661
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 2: up next with what did Steve do on his birthday?

1662
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 2: We'll check on that next here on one Bill's Live.

1663
01:27:50,720 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 2: Stay tune all right, As we know, Steve Dasher celebrated

1664
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 2: a birthday yesterday and he got roped into a social

1665
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 2: video that he had knew nothing about and had to

1666
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 2: execute on the fly. But it was something else as

1667
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 2: they forced him to put pads and a helmet on

1668
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 2: and pretend he was covering a kick as they put

1669
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,919
Speaker 2: some poor intern out there to return a kick. Fortunately,

1670
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 2: Steve told him get down, get down, to make the

1671
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 2: tackle as easy as possible for him. But there was

1672
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 2: a fumble on the play.

1673
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Well, he was told to fumble as I heard it,

1674
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: little something extra in his paycheck for coughing that up.

1675
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: So I got so I picked that They go, you

1676
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: gotta pick it up, And so I picked up the

1677
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: ball and started to waddle towards the end zone.

1678
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah like Tim Conway.

1679
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I can't tell you I was. I was

1680
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: running with the football and all of a sudden, the

1681
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: old something in my distant pass. I was scared to death.

1682
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna catch me about I I thought, you know,

1683
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: I thought, oh this, this intern's gonna chase me down,

1684
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: and you know he's gonna lose his mind and chase

1685
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: me down. So I looked, I was like checked.

1686
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: I was.

1687
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: I can't tell you this, the fear that ran through

1688
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: my body thinking that kid's gonna tackle.

1689
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 6: Me, I just know it.

1690
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 2: And then you signed a baby.

1691
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: Lots of fun. Yeah, those are all coworkers there, and

1692
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: be honest, a little baby was there and that's awesome. Yeah,

1693
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,759
Speaker 1: cute kid too. That was great.

1694
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 2: Is that the first baby you ever signed? Did you

1695
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: sign other babies in your career?

1696
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I think I go back and signed shirts that I

1697
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: just signed his shirt. You know that counts. He was

1698
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 1: crying when I did it, though.

1699
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 2: That was pretty cool. We'll see you tomorrow at one