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Speaker 1: On the Doe Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Backtel Cast. My name is Jamie loft It

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Speaker 1: my name is Caitlin Dronton, and this is our podcast

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Speaker 1: about women. We talked about specifically how well or poorly

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Speaker 1: women are portrayed and represented in movies, and wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: know it, women are usually not portrayed very well. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand how could this be? And this economy, in

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Speaker 1: this society, this amazing society and economy, how could this

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Speaker 1: possibly be? So we use the Bechtel test as a

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Speaker 1: jumping off point for our larger conversation the Bechtel test

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Speaker 1: for us, The Betel test is invented by Alison Bechtel,

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Speaker 1: a famous cartoonist, interpreted in a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 1: Our interpretation of the Bettel test currently, as it is

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Speaker 1: always a faulting, is that there has to be two

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Speaker 1: female identifying characters in a movie that speak to each

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Speaker 1: other about something other than a man. They have to

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Speaker 1: have names, and it has to be for exactly two

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Speaker 1: lines of dialogue. How hard could it be? It couldn't

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Speaker 1: be hard because it's a very low bar. And yet

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Speaker 1: it only recently started passing regularly, and even then usually

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Speaker 1: tenuously between waiters with name tags on oh Stasia is

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Speaker 1: her name, and she asked do you like egg? Feminine

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Speaker 1: easy please, great example of the same passing the battle test.

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Speaker 1: Do you like egg? Me like egg? Both have names?

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Speaker 1: It passes. Indeed, I'm so thrilled. Okay, we recorded two

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Speaker 1: episodes today, just a little peak behind the scenes, and

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Speaker 1: we could not be doing two more different movies today.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited on this movie. This movie is

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Speaker 1: fully activated me on every single human level it was

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Speaker 1: possible to. It took me two days to watch this movie.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't watch it in one scene because I was like,

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Speaker 1: it's so much. It's the cast alone. You're just like

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Speaker 1: Lillard's here, Ussure Easier, Kim's er Gabrielle unions here. The

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Speaker 1: stars are out, but like the b stars are out,

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Speaker 1: argue at all the biggest star is Paul Walker. Rest

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Speaker 1: in power. That's literally it. This is like nineties, early

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Speaker 1: so excited for you today. So to help us discuss

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Speaker 1: this wonderful movie, we have a guest, as we always do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much more in advance. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: thanks for bringing us this movie. She a producer at

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Speaker 1: How Stuff Works and she's one half of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Ethnically Ambiguous and Hello, I just want to say this

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Speaker 1: is growing up. This was one of my favorite movies.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I p Paul Walker. Oh my god. Paul

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Speaker 1: Walker is such a wild character in this movie. He

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Speaker 1: So you've brought us She's all that. Yes, when you

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Speaker 1: were like, granted me my wish of being on this show,

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Speaker 1: I was like, we will talk about She's It's the

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Speaker 1: perfect bectel Cast movie. I would argue it delivers on

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Speaker 1: every problematic level. It's a masterpiece of crap. Like it's

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Speaker 1: like somehow a Marvel in the worst postle. It's like

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Speaker 1: It's it's so fast moving, like it just goes, goes goes.

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Speaker 1: Every senior like what why? And then they also I

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Speaker 1: learned a lot of lingo from this movie up like

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Speaker 1: There are a few references that I was like, is

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Speaker 1: I was telling Cale, I was like, this is one

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Speaker 1: gallons of waste is dumped into the ocean, and he's

421
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Speaker 1: just like, why can't you just be chill? She's like

422
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Speaker 1: sorry quickly, you know. Okay, I'll get to that in

423
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: a second. Remind me about intelligent shaming, okay, But first,

424
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: I do think it is slightly positive, even though she

425
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: is body shaming him the entirety of their friendship. It

426
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: is lightly positive to see a female male both straight

427
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: friendship in a high school movie that is non sexual

428
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: and involves no pining on either party, because that is

429
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: something that I feel like it's very rare to see

430
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: where Originally when you see this Jesse character, it's like, oh,

431
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: he's probably secretly in love with her, and you fall

432
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: into this kind of John Hughes like, oh he probably

433
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: loves her and she's unattainable and all this stuff. But

434
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: throughout the movie they do remain firmly friends, and at

435
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: one point it's like, well, I've none you for so long,

436
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how to view you that way. It's

437
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: like a sexual being and he mostly pushing her to

438
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: Freddie Prince Jr. Zack Tyler, which is problematic, but ultimately

439
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: I feel like for a high school friendship that sort

440
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: of like, oh, date the popular guys why not. There's

441
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: no sense of like, oh, she friends owned me, which

442
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: is exactly which I think is a very common trope.

443
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: And I had so many friendships like that in high school,

444
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: with like two people who in theory could be attracted

445
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: to each other but just aren't. And and that being okay,

446
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: I feel like that does not happen in movies almost ever.

447
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: And I thought that was, like, oh, that kind of

448
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: reminds me of me and my best friend in high

449
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: school who just never had the desire to french each

450
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: other and felt weird about it because all media said

451
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: that we should want to french each other, you know,

452
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: So that I thought was good intelligence shaming. Next point,

453
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: in these teen movies, every time a woman is smart

454
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: and has very specific knowledge, like Rachel Lee One Piece

455
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: Cook does, it's made to make her look uptight, Whereas

456
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: every time in a rom com were a male character

457
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: is very smart, he is made to look sensitive. So

458
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: intelligence used is used to like demonize female characters very often,

459
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: where it's used to like give depth to male character.

460
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: That's very true. Okay, Sorry, so you're saying that does

461
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: not happen in this movie, That absolutely does happen almost exclusively.

462
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: So smart. Can you see how quickly he improvised that

463
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: this performance right right right? Whoa he is deep, which

464
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: is just just like it's just to happen. And that's also

465
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: that scene where Rachelie Cook's character is like, I'm not smart.

466
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: If you're coming to me because you think I can

467
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: tutor you, I can't because I'm not smart. I'm just

468
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: a dork but I'm not smart, and it's like artist,

469
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: but she is. She is, but she's constantly playing it off.

470
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: And then every time she displays it with those specific

471
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: facts of like check out that water and then she

472
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: knows a specific fact about that water, it's like, oh,

473
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: you're such a bit as opposed to like, oh she

474
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: just knows something, you know. Yeah, she's a bit of

475
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: a buzz kill, though she knows exactly what to say

476
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: to bring the moment down. And you're like, Laney, she

477
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: is a buzz I feel like is fully bogs? I

478
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: love that the dad like the Kevin Pollit character. Yeah,

479
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: I think his best scene is when he is doing

480
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: the jeopardy and then looks up to like random JV

481
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: soccer players and it's just like, who are you people?

482
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: Doesn't do anything else? Is I don't think there's that

483
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: much comedy in this movie, Like, I don't think this

484
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: movie is that funny, but that scene is very funny

485
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: to me because you're saying, like, what are probably like

486
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: deliberately wrong funny joke answers to all the Jeopardy questions,

487
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: but it's so deadpan about it. I'm gonna ask him

488
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: this week tell me about the inside. So the movie, yeah,

489
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: it does like maybe a small fraction of a good thing,

490
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: but for the most part, it's just like ripe with

491
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: like very problematic stuff because at it, at its core,

492
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: this movie is about a boy tricking a girl into

493
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: dating him so that he can quote unquote fix her

494
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: to turn her into the prom queen so that he

495
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: can win a bet, which is miraculously in spite of

496
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: the specificity you just gave something that happens in multiple movies.

497
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: It's a common premise, especially for like very Asian romance

498
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: kind of things like that, And I understand it makes

499
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: for a good story that has a lot of conflict

500
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of secrecy and all that, but

501
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: it's not good storytelling and that it means that a

502
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: female character usually is being manipulated by a man who

503
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 1: will later end up being her love interest who she

504
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: ends up with, just a relationship built on lines. Yeah, exactly,

505
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: Like I think that this in some ways, And there's

506
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: so many variations on this exact theme of like altering

507
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: a woman to your specifications and then accepting her and

508
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: apologizing in retrospect or in the case of this movie,

509
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: not apologizing well. I made a list of all, like,

510
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: of many many movies where this happens, where a woman

511
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: gets a makeover to quote unquote fix her. We go

512
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: back to Cinderella at this one. Cinderella is at the

513
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: top of my list. She's all that clueless, Miss Congeniality,

514
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Princess Diaries, Greece, Never Been Kissed, Devil Wears Product, Pretty Woman,

515
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: My Fair Lady, What a Girl Wants, Josie, and the Pussycaster.

516
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: There is a makeover seen. It's not as egregious as normally,

517
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: but Rachel is relevant, Working Girl, Sabrina, Breakfast Club, Jawbreaker,

518
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: Last goes On. I said that one. Sorry. There's also

519
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: like well visible because this movie is supposed is intended

520
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: to be an adaptation of which My Fair Lady is

521
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: so Yeah, There's there's also this aggressive amount of like

522
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: girl on girls shaming, like the women so mean to

523
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: each other, like the cattiness levels. There's a female friendship

524
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: that barely gets explored, and which it was explored much more.

525
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: But between Gabrielle Union's character and Josie, not Josie, Laney,

526
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: Laney and fort where like basically we don't ever find

527
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: out what Gabrielle Union's character his name is the Gabrielle

528
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: Union is fully twenty six years old. Her character's name

529
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: that we know via looking at IMDb is Katie. But

530
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I find ever the same with Little

531
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: Kim's character. You do hear her name at the very

532
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: very end in the situation ceremony whenever. Her name is

533
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Sebastian Seawater, and they call a number of wild names

534
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: that I wrote down for her name. So Little Kim's

535
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: character's name is Alex. And then Gabrielle is Katie, so

536
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: Katie and Laney. Katie basically decides that Taylor, the popular

537
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: girl who breaks up with Zach Siler, Katie's I would argue,

538
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: is to an extent and inadvertent feminist icon. I'm gonna

539
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: probably disagree, but I'm willing to hear your argument Taylor

540
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: is Taylor yet she's rough. We'll get there. But Katie's

541
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: have an argument for Taylor. But Katie's like, I don't

542
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: want to be friends with Taylor anymore. She's a bully

543
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: and I don't really like her. I'm gonna be friend

544
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: Laney and it seems like she's generally pretty nice to her,

545
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: And I wish that was explored more or at all, really,

546
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: but it hardly is. No, it's not a lot of

547
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: development within the character. That's a bit he's been she's weird,

548
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: he's hot, and Pope learned has a parking spot right

549
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: where It's like the plot doubles down on Laney in

550
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: a way that it's sometimes to me is confusing, to

551
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: the point where like even the art girls are very

552
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: aggressive and mean towards her in a way that I

553
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: don't think is fully explained. That's what I understand is

554
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: what is Clea Duval's character's problem, what her parents? Why

555
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: is she so fucked up everywhere? And why does she

556
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: Why does she appear so many times in the movie

557
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: to shame Landy when it's like, in theory, this is

558
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: Landy's circle, So why does everyone hate her so much?

559
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's like just her, like she's just a

560
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: weirdo and that's that. Like when Taylor sees her at

561
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: the party's like walks over, like I don't think I've

562
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: ever seen a mean girl care that much about another

563
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: person being at a huge part. It's like without like

564
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: a very specific because I feel like the only time

565
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: we see mean girls and we're girls in conflict in

566
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: movies is when it's established like they used to be

567
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: best friends or there was some sort of context, but

568
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: there's no think, there's no connection between at that point.

569
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't even seem like she knows that Laney's there

570
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: with Zach right because she's like appeared to her and

571
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Matthew Lillard showed up wasted. So let's talk about the

572
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: scene where they Okay, so the bed is made between

573
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: Freddie Prince Jr. Who I left and Paul Walker rest

574
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: in Power Delay is also there, but he is of

575
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: course sidelined the entire movie, even though he is the

576
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: voice of reason in that friend group, and it is

577
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: repeatedly the one that's like, hey, this might be funked up,

578
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: and everyone's like shut up. But there is like there's

579
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: a scene where Paul Walker presents Freddie Prince Jr. With

580
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: the central challenge of the movie, which is like, oh, well,

581
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, Taylor broke up with you. And first, the

582
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: central plot of this movie is based on the fact

583
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: that Freddie Prince Jr. Finds heartbreak emasculating, and he is

584
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: when Taylor breaks his heart, which I will argue it's

585
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: like not the worst thing you could do in the

586
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: whole world, and she's kind of ashamed for it. But

587
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: like you know, Freddie Pincr. Is hurt and emasculated and

588
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: feels bad about being broken up with this girl who

589
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: he dated, who he cares about, but he has to

590
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: prove that that is not the case. When Paul Walker says, well,

591
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: the only way you can show me that you're not

592
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: a fun game pussy is by choosing a random girl

593
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: and exploiting and gaslighting her into being hot to your

594
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: standards and going to prom with her, which is, you know,

595
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: a very specific ask from Paul Walker, which I think

596
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: reveals that Paul Walker's character is a full associated path

597
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: because he comes up with the top of the dome.

598
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what you should do? I wrote

599
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: that in my notes as Paul Walker's a sociopath really,

600
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: because even at the end he was just like guys,

601
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: who got this hotel room four oh nine or like whatever,

602
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: which was like I'm going to fuck her, and you're

603
00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: just like what it all seems very planned. Yeah, he's

604
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: a full on sextual. Like I just Paul Walker's character

605
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: is fascinating. But but basically he like challenged his friend like,

606
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: if your heart broken and if you show emotion, you're

607
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 1: a pussy, So do this instead, and Freddie Prince Jr.

608
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: Takes the bait says Okay, I'll do it, and then

609
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: there's a scene where it it's literally the male gaze

610
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: first like two minutes where they're just looking at various

611
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: high school female characters and criticizing. They're speaking about them

612
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: so actively as they like, I'm talking about you and

613
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: you're walking by me, and I'll be like, well, she's

614
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: interesting because she's got a nice rag kind of short

615
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: jelse Clinton vibe going it's right there, and she's like whatever,

616
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like my own business. And like their objective,

617
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: they stayed explicitly, is to make her a prom queen, right,

618
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: and so because that's what all women strive to be,

619
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: and when they land On Landy Bogs, who I'd be

620
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: remiss not to notice, is hot but wearing glasses and

621
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: an apron and has extensions and the worst extensive America.

622
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: At some point it's a hair, it's a horse's mane

623
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: that she has Scotch tapes and even calls her like

624
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: it's a horse's mane or something like this Maine has

625
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: to go and it's like, we all agree it's not hers,

626
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: but there's there's a line. Or Freddie Prince, he has

627
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: already criticized five or six women, and he says, fat,

628
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: I can handle weird boobs, bad personality, maybe some sort

629
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: of fungus. I mean, scary and inaccessible is another story

630
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: which explicitly states the state of women at the time

631
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: of this movie in a very and just like there

632
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: it is, they really go out of their way to

633
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: be like these women are so thirsty for Freddie Prince Jr.

634
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: Because he remember, he like walks in looks at a

635
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: photo of himself. She's like, oh, looking good me and

636
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: then says hey, Connie, and some girls like, oh my,

637
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: come you talk to me. And she's already turned on

638
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: her friends to be like, you bitch, how dare you

639
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: point that out, say that almost passes the bactal test,

640
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: except we don't learn the other girls name, so it's like,

641
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: but they're all no, they're talking about a man, so

642
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: never mind. It creates this vibe that all the women

643
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: are like for themselves and they're out to get each

644
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: other over dudes, and it's just such that whole high

645
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: school is a bad vibe and you got ussher talking

646
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: ship over all of it, which is just like what

647
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: school would let this DJ continue? In defense of the

648
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: casting director of this movie, can you find in a

649
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: better cameo a Jason role for someone giving the school

650
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: announcements at a high school than Usher in the same

651
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: year that You Got It Bad comes out and then

652
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: he comes back in a Fedora to d J the

653
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: prom for one of the Like I freaked out during

654
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: this scene. I was like in my kitchen last night

655
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: watching this scene and had like ran out of breath headed,

656
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: like you know what the dance sequence, the Rockefeller skank sequence, Yes,

657
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: of course I had. Why is there five minute dance

658
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: scene and moving and there's not enough time to develop

659
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: a friendship between Gabrielle Union's character and Lady bog sc

660
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: scraping cut those scenes as a feminist. Give me more Rockefellers.

661
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: That's the second dance sequence in the film. Yeah, I mean,

662
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: I honestly think Matthew Lillard is so funny in this movie.

663
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: Like his whole character is the absolute worst human being,

664
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: is a tattoo of himself on his arm, like and

665
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: then he just continues to have no sense of reality,

666
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: like every line about him like he got paid to

667
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: eat his own toenail clippings, like there's no reality to him.

668
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: And he's an adult man dating a high school or

669
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: which no one no, yeah, no one has any like

670
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: none of these like rich kids parents care. And there's

671
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: also only one teacher in the entire film, which is

672
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: the art teacher who just like shames Laney's like aggressively

673
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: dark art. And this shows up every she shows up,

674
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: I think three times. It provides exposition. There's a scene

675
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: with her at the end that I really want to

676
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: talk about because it is wild. But yeah, like she

677
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: shows up, one of the few women of color in

678
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: the movie who shows up, and it's like, here's what's

679
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: happening in the movie. Anyways, gotta go. He disappears that

680
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: she appears in this scene, right before Rachelieu was told

681
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: to kill herself, right, She's like, hey, anyways, we're an

682
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: art class, gotta go. She's like, why don't you open

683
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: up to other people and express art about your self harder?

684
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: And then some other grouples like yourself. It's just like, God,

685
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: why would you keep going to this class? And then

686
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: this movie, this movie does like Disney Princess Rachelie Cook's

687
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: character by saying also her mom died, and Kevin Paul

688
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: like it doesn't know what to do because he has

689
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: a hat and it's Mr. Pool but he is the

690
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: most checked out father he and he calls her pumpkin nose.

691
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: But even when he comes down to talk to her,

692
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: he's kind of like, hey, you know like kids go

693
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: to the prom right, You're like, thanks, that did remind

694
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: me of I got emotional during that scene because I

695
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: was just like, my dad would also know how to

696
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 1: talk to her. Well, Landy's character there's okay, So there's

697
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: not there's a problem with Laney's character being written in

698
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: a way that she's an empathetic character that we want

699
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: to care about, and that she does a bunch of things,

700
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: whether she's either fat shaming her friend or making decisions

701
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: that make no fucking sense, like the fact that she

702
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: keeps agreeing to go out with guys who seem terrible

703
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: and I disagree. Okay, well, well no, keep going, but

704
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: I do disagree with But then there's also a problem

705
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: with the way that everyone else is treating her, or

706
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: just the way the movie presents her. Were like the

707
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: first thing you basically see her doing after the opening

708
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: credits when she's like painting and stuff, is like bringing

709
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: food to her brother, So it's like, here, girl, have

710
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: domestic chore, bring boy food. And then it's like another

711
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: way that they disney Princess her though, it's like now

712
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: she has to be the smartest person in the room

713
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: and mommy because dad is Mr Pool and him don't

714
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: know how to cook, you know. But iteels like he's

715
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: a business owner and we're so hard on him, like

716
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: what a loser. He's a pool guy, but he also

717
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 1: seems to own his own business. But that and also

718
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: he knows all the answers to jepardy, so he's clearly educated. Also,

719
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: he lets his children just use any booze in the

720
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: house to make like crappy Margarita's that has never challenged

721
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: when Kieran Clan dresses, Sir Freddie Prince Jr. Alcoholic beverages,

722
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: never question. A twelve year old is making an eighteen

723
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: year old boozy drink and everyone's like, he's just looking

724
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: at his cross work. Do not look up once to

725
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: know what's even going on inside his home. It's like

726
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a hat. I'm busy and wearing a hat.

727
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: But I mean with Laney, like we hardly see her

728
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: on screen for the first eighteen minutes of the movie.

729
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: She's barely there because the protagonist of the story is

730
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: not her. Zach Siler Freddie Prince Jr's character is the

731
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: protagonist and that he has the strongest desire because Laney

732
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: has no like central goal. The story is happening to her,

733
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: so she has no agency. Things are just sort of

734
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: happening at her and she's going along with whatever. But

735
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: she's not doing anything really to drive the narrative. It's

736
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: all Zach and his story. So she's stripped of all

737
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: this agency. So that means then the sympathetic character that

738
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: we're rooting for the protagonist of this story is someone

739
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: who's actively manipulating a woman. So it's just like it's

740
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: really hard to get behind. But for some reason, like

741
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: everyone who watched this movie were like, yes, this is great,

742
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: I love this because they're like, but you never it's

743
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: all about him going to school, Like is she planning

744
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: on going to college? We don't know. Never at the

745
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: end that she has applied to a number of art

746
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: schools and has been recommended in the scene that I

747
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: find very interesting. See this is where I disagree a

748
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: little bit. And again I did not see this movie

749
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: at the correct time for me to see it. But

750
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: Lady Bogs to me strikes me as and at any

751
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: point if anyone feels differently, let me know, but as

752
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: like kind of an Avatar kind of character. Where this

753
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: movie in is not meant with the intention of, Oh,

754
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: a ton of boys are going to see this movie,

755
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: like this is a girl's movie, and it's a young

756
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: girls movie, and girls are meant to plug themselves into

757
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: Landy Boggs, who feels weird, who feels out of place,

758
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: who is not fully characterized, I think, very intentionally. And

759
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: then we learn more about this popular male guy who

760
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: like basically it's just like the oppressor coming down to

761
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: the weird girls level and change in her so that

762
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: they meet in the middle. But I do feel like

763
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: this movie is made with the intention of young girls

764
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: plugging themselves into landy box just like, oh, this is me,

765
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: And I feel like, like the cool boys in school

766
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: don't like me, and why is that? And maybe it

767
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: was I was really into performance art when I was like,

768
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm not even joking, well yeah, and I was like,

769
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: I mean not her kind of performance And I I don't

770
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: think I necessarily understood that one, but right, But it's

771
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: something adjacent where it's like when I was in middle

772
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: school in high school in like formative years, like wearing

773
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: a fucking back brace and being like a weird like

774
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: a weird girl who genuinely like popular boys would never

775
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: have just because of how of high school works. You

776
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: don't know, you could have been someone that they're like,

777
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: should we do the bed on her nush? That back brace?

778
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: You seem like that girl, Like you seem like potential

779
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: bet reject. You don't know, like you seem like the

780
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: girl that someone could pick out of a crowd of like, oh,

781
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: this would be a very hard person to want to fuck,

782
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: like literally, And that's how Laney is presented to the audience.

783
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: And I feel like that, and because young girls are

784
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: brought up to feel so insecure about themselves as people

785
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: and to view themselves strictly based on their bodies, which

786
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: this movie does endorse by changing her body and her appearance.

787
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: I think that we're meant to go into this movie

788
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, I'm Landey bogged, and maybe if I'm lucky,

789
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: Paul Walker will rest in power take me out of

790
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: a crowd. It's like, here's the most unfukable person in

791
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: the entire world, and then maybe someone who is deeply problematic,

792
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: not fully like who we're glorifying this movie will dare

793
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: to take a second look at me, and and and

794
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: so it's like these movies for me, it's like it's

795
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: so fun, but it also breaks my heart because it's

796
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: like you will so easily see how you can be

797
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: pulled into this movie for all the wrong reasons. Sure,

798
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: and I get that, And I also like, I think

799
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: that using the excuses under developing a female character so

800
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: that a wide range of girls can plug themselves into

801
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: is like the avatar of the story is just bad

802
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: writing and not a good excuse for a character in

803
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: a movie. Like I think that like, you can still

804
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: depict a human experience and depict an experience that a

805
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: lot of people can latch onto and identify with and say, oh,

806
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I wish I was in this scenario with also still

807
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: fully developing a character and like making her feel like

808
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: a real person. I agree, But I also think that

809
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: there's no like the way that this character is written

810
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: vaguely enough and broadly enough where it gets to the

811
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: point of like, yeah, like, performance are sure painting dead mom?

812
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's done very intentionally to bring

813
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: in as many girls who would identify as not normal

814
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: as possible, and that's done as a very intentional like

815
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: it is bad writing, but it also does feel very intentional. Sure,

816
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of movies in the nineties

817
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: did that, though that was their whole like the whole

818
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: arc of the film. It would be a poorly written film,

819
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: but a character you could somewhat relate to because she

820
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: was a weirdo or he was a weirdo or an outcast,

821
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: and so you're like, oh, I directly relate to the

822
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: outcast and the popular persons like, oh I relate to

823
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: Zach because God, what a life all these women want me?

824
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: Like there were characters, but because like they actually exist though, right,

825
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: but don't you like I never really hung out with

826
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: like popular people in school. Maybe, I mean, clearly there

827
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: were no popular kids like how they're portrayed in that film,

828
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: but there were still those people who you could kind

829
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: of tell definitely like we're peaking in high school and

830
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: then there's just nowhere for them to go after that.

831
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: It was a very yeah, that felt like a very

832
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: popular trope of the night, like I recently saw do

833
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: know if you've seen Love Simon, But I feel like

834
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: it was a much more accurate. I mean, I've been

835
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: out of high school for years. Um, I don't know.

836
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: I actually kind of just got there, so congratulations. But

837
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: like so I don't know what high school is like

838
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: now really, but um, if feels like a much more

839
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: accurate depiction of what high school is where there's not

840
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: And like with that movie, there's like several female characters

841
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: who feel like real people, but it's still a human

842
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: experience that like, even if you know people are watching this,

843
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: I saw this movie and I am not a gay person,

844
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: but like the experience of hiding something about yourself is

845
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: so universal that I feel like there's no excuse to

846
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: underdevelop any one character in a movie for the sake

847
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: of being like, Okay, well, it's because we have to

848
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: be able to the little girls have to plug themselves

849
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: into this, like I just and that I think kind

850
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: of comes down to, like the problem of making movies

851
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: for young people is like, at a minimum, if you're

852
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: at a point in your life where you can make

853
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: a movie about anything, you're like ten years out of

854
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: high school, your te and so you have like a

855
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: ten year amount of dissonance of like what it is

856
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: like to actually be a young person and feel those things,

857
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: and you have ten years worth of you know, bitterness

858
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: and additional life to heap upon whatever that experience it was.

859
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: So it is hard to make an accurate depiction of

860
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: high school life because by the time you're able to,

861
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: you're so far at Yeah, I don't know who she's

862
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: all that was made for, because I feel like I

863
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: was too young watching There's so much stuff like pubes

864
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: on pizza, Like that part is confused. There's just like

865
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: drinking and weird telling people to kill themselves. Like there's

866
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot of dark stuff in this movie that I

867
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: don't understand why I was watching it at a young age.

868
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: The audience is like fifteen to eighteen years, Like, I

869
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: don't know, it's such a small demographic of people. Um,

870
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk about like the third act, basically

871
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: the whole third act of the movie, where we are

872
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: basically robbed of a scene so it's prom. They're a prom.

873
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: We see this scene where Paul Walker is like, oh,

874
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm totally going to nail her. I paid three hullars

875
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: for this hotel room, and then out of a flask

876
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and Laney's friend, um Jesse overhears this,

877
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: so he runs and tells Anna Paquin's character, who is

878
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Zack's tiler's sister to the troubled sister who has to

879
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: go to a private schools too, and then they run

880
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: off and tell Zach. So now everyone knows about this

881
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: plan for Paul Walker to try to have sex with

882
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: Laney except for Laney. Then we cut to a scene

883
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: where we're at Laney's house. We see her dad and

884
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: her brother talking about pools. Laney comes home, she's like, oh, man,

885
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: I did have fun. That was a fun night. You're

886
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: right I should have gotten to prom and I'm glad

887
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: I did. And then she's like okay, by I'm going

888
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: to go to bed, and then they're like, just kidding.

889
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: Freddie Prince Jr. Is here and then we see her

890
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: tell him about her interaction with Paul Walker. Why we

891
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: do not see this play out on screen is insane

892
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: because does this scene exist somewhere? I have to believe

893
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: it does and that it was just cut out, because

894
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: the reason we need this scene is that it's one.

895
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: It's just like a bad writing that it's not there

896
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: because it propels a story forward, and then to leave

897
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: it out is just like, Okay, wait, what the funk happened?

898
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: But then it would have given her an opportunity to

899
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: like display some agency, which we see her have almost

900
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: none of throughout the entire movie, and it would have

901
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: let us see her save herself from the manipulation that

902
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: she's been experiencing throughout the whole movie, where she's like, wait,

903
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to trick me. No, don't do that. I'm

904
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: my own woman, and I am figuring this out and

905
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't want you, like I don't want this. But

906
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: we don't see a play out on screen. We only

907
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: see her kind of mention it later on when okay,

908
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: Kevin polygraph, but like the scene where she's like sort

909
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: of slow dance like allowing Freddie Prince Jr. To not

910
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: apologize for gas lighting her and outside of her own

911
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: in ground pool pulls popping upright and left, and then

912
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Pollock says, I'm still wearing my hat, but you

913
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: know what, I do have time to do pop on

914
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: this ambient light for you. And then he like winks

915
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, Freddie Prince Jr. French my daughter, you're

916
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: not apologizing to And that's the last we see of

917
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: him in the movie. Yeah, And then maybe they were like,

918
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: we really can't have her attacking Paul Walker in this film,

919
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: so they cut it out because I don't get it,

920
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: because I remember the first time I saw this, like

921
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: I was like, she's gonna get riped. I thought this

922
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: movie was gonna take a whole another like angle and

923
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: just take a left turn and Paul Walker was gonna

924
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: go to jail, Like I don't know what I thought

925
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: was going to happen, But for the longest time, I

926
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: like would just be like, how come she doesn't react

927
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: like if that I had been in that situation right

928
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: to like blow a horn someone like Dad one up,

929
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: But I'm home and then he was like, well, good news.

930
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: I let Freddie Jr. In Already, So in case you

931
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: weren't triggered already, more dudes for you, I've let someone

932
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: else in. And then she makes the joke sexual harassment

933
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: a big deal and then says, don't apologize. We're dating bonkers.

934
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: It is bananas. Well, I wonder if there's like if

935
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: they did shoot that scene with Paul Walker and it

936
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: was maybe deemed too because you had like right, he

937
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: would have had to come at her in such a

938
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: way where she ear horn blows him in the ear

939
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: like we do see the repercussion of that in the

940
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: graduation because he can't because he's sitting next to I

941
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: think he's sitting next to a a little Kim and she's like,

942
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: you're calling. He's like, what, I tried to rape someone

943
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: last night and it didn't work. He's actually graduated disabled

944
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: him like he's in capable, Like he's like chewing, Like

945
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: there's something weird. Happy. I have a theory that yeah,

946
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: so good. Her brother, Simon, Karen Calkin's character is s

947
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: wearing what I think is Simon. He's wearing what I

948
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: think is a hearing age. But the entire movie, which

949
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: I have a theory. I have a theory that she

950
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: keeps that foghorn around and maybe when they were younger,

951
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: she blew it in his ear and she permanently also,

952
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: so I do question the relationship just because I grew

953
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: up with a little brother who I think would be

954
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: about the difference between Lady Boggs and her little brother

955
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: would to be like four or five years. And it

956
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: does bother me that it's like Kieran Culkins little brother

957
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: character ends up viewing Freddie Prince Jr. Zack character as

958
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: like an ally and someone he can really rely on,

959
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: where her family like, both the two males and her

960
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: family unit end up pretty clearly allying themselves with Freddie

961
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: Prince Junr. The person who it appears that they know

962
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: is lying to her as like, here's someone you should

963
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: end up with. And I found that to be like

964
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of like jarring of like man if I was

965
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: only growing up with my dad and my brother and

966
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: they both push this same dude who was tricking me,

967
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, like realistically, and again I feel like we

968
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: have to realistically plug ourselves into a sixteen year old

969
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: girl trying to relate to Laney Boggs at this time

970
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: in what world? But you'd be like no, like there,

971
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: It's like if everyone in your life is like here

972
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: he is. We led him into the house. We're turning

973
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: on the ambient line, and it was like, of course

974
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to be with that person. They're like

975
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: just being like you're such a wet blanket. Like even

976
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: her best friends like need this, Like you need friend, yeah,

977
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: everyone wants like the little brother, the dad, the best friend.

978
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: Like everyone, even like Gabriel Union's characters like this is

979
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: good for you come to the party like you need this. Yeah,

980
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: even Orati's like come on, man, date like you fucking

981
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: need this. Your art will be better. It's like everyone

982
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: is telling her she has to get out of her

983
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: like bubble and date this popular guy and is that

984
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: and that's how you will make it out of here.

985
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: And if she doesn't, she's an uptight little bit and

986
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: she's obsessed with her dead mother and that's not okay.

987
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: She has to move that. There's a scene that takes

988
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: place at the prom that really stood out to me

989
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: in terms of like a scene that says so much

990
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: with allowing the protagonist to say literally a couple of

991
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: Words Maximum, where Landy is at the prom. She has

992
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: been hotified by Anna Paquin and Freddie Prince Jr. She

993
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: is completely altered from the first way we know her

994
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: to be. Her Our teacher comes up to her and

995
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: says that, like she has, is very talented and that

996
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: she's finally achieved her full potential. And she says, like,

997
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: I've been spending four years trying to open you up.

998
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: Laney Boggs, whoever it is that did it, don't let

999
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: them go and then access the scene because she is

1000
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: the queen of exposition. And the only thing Laney says

1001
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: in the scene is like when she's like, oh, I

1002
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: recommended you to every school you applied to. This is

1003
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: the first we hear that Landy has a played schools

1004
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: at all and any interest in anything right, And Landy says,

1005
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: you're kidding. That's all she says in this entire scene.

1006
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: And then the our teacher sees herself out. We here

1007
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: that you know we in theory teenage girls here that like,

1008
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: whoever opened you up to accepting the fact that your

1009
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: mom is sucking dead is like the person you should

1010
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: have sex until you die. And then and then we

1011
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: see the rest of the scene is wordless. We just

1012
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: see this like lingering shot on Landy and she looks

1013
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: over at Freddie Prince Jr. Who's also looking over at her,

1014
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: and then she just looks and we see her again.

1015
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: And in that scene we realize it's like he's what

1016
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: made her art good for four years, even though she

1017
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: has known him for three weeks and he's been lying

1018
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: to her the entire time. Like that scene I found.

1019
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: I watched it like three times or just like that.

1020
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: There's so little dialogue in that scene, but it communicates

1021
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: so much to its intended audience of like, no matter

1022
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: how long you've been working towards a goal, and no

1023
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: matter what your goals are, no matter what you're good at,

1024
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: there is a way to credit it to a loser

1025
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: who is lying to you, and people will find a

1026
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: way to make that happen. And I just, oh God,

1027
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: that seemed dropp me. Fucking That teacher could have easily

1028
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: just been like did you get laid because you seem

1029
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: so much more chill right like that. It was the

1030
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: same idea like whoever opened you up, who man literally

1031
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: opened you up? Whoever you into college? For years, I've

1032
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: been telling you to just go get that dick so

1033
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: you'ld start making depressing hard about your debt. Mom. It's like, okay, teach,

1034
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: get the funk out of here. You've been nowhere. They're

1035
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: literally students at parties going insane and you were just

1036
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: show up to be Like Klige of All was like

1037
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: passing out in a pile of her own vomit, and

1038
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: I was like, how does it feel? Like? What was

1039
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: that good? Like role models at this school because these

1040
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: students are all trash, those visibly thirty. She's like, how

1041
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: does it feel to make the best start as at school? Bar?

1042
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, Here's a few things I

1043
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 1: want to say. At one point, Zach tells Laney would

1044
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: it hurt you to smile once in a while? Telling

1045
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: her to smile. There's a lot of those moments. Yeah,

1046
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: And she's like, did you know smiling can lead to cancer?

1047
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: They're like a faculty female faculty member surprise kisses Zach

1048
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: after he wins prom king that's not okay, not on

1049
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: the mouth, but like she grabs him and pulls him

1050
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: in and kisses him on the cheek. Yeah, are we

1051
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: to believe that? Sarah Michelle Gellar's cameo is her playing

1052
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: Buffy and that that's some sort of like clever crossover

1053
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: thing because she looks like Buffy the character in the movie,

1054
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: just like she has no lines, though she has no

1055
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: lines exactly right. I just have to believe it's some

1056
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: like weird like oh, because they're like all in southern

1057
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: California and like maybe this town is like adjacent to

1058
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: Sonny of Dale or whatever. I think you're actually being

1059
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: a big dork by asking a question because I've never

1060
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer and I don't know what

1061
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: the funk it's about. Buffy is great, you gotta watch. Okay,

1062
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: stop triggering me. But there's every loser I've ever met

1063
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: is said that, Okay, sorry, guys, I'm sorry, a real

1064
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: character in this movie. Guys, actually who you actually and

1065
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: then grab your own toeth and be like. There's also

1066
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: a scene where after um Laney is nominated for prom Queen,

1067
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 1: Jesse is sort of like directing people where to hang

1068
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: up their posters that are like, hey vote for Landy

1069
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: for prom queen. And then there's just one moment where

1070
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: he's just like you gay students, put yours over there.

1071
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: And the banner says something like come out and vote

1072
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: for Laney, and it's just like, whoa that, Um, it's

1073
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: that's a bad ninety nine Joe. Not that that joke does.

1074
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: I kind of thought maybe the best friend might be gay.

1075
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe there's like an angle where he's

1076
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: also into Freddie Bruce. I don't know. That was like

1077
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 1: one of things when I when I was originally watching it, like, oh,

1078
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: maybe there's something we don't know. But then he gets

1079
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: with Anna for Quinn. But then he gets with Anna

1080
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: Quinn and they actually get to they hang out, but

1081
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: then we don't see them like that because she seems

1082
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: into guys. I think her exact line was, Oh, her

1083
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: brother is there and he just got kicked out of

1084
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: like military school. So that's her vibe. What I hope

1085
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: for her is that she grows out of being her

1086
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: own brother's stooge, because she seems way smarter and more

1087
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: decisive than him, and so in the first thing we

1088
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: see her like and this is again how movies constantly

1089
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: discards like an initially strong female character's potential where we

1090
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: see her initially. The first time we see Anna's character,

1091
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: she's nagging him aggressively and it's like calls him a

1092
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: bitch magnet. She calls him a bitch magnet, and she

1093
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: says like, you gotta go for a different kind of girls,

1094
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And then the next time we see her,

1095
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: somehow something has happened that now she's full on willing

1096
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: to give Lady Boggs a makeover, and it's like, this

1097
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: is not the character we saw in the first scene.

1098
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: This is someone who is suddenly very dependent on whatever

1099
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: her brother asks, and she looks like a little dissonant

1100
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: at yeah. Yeah, and then at the end it's like, oh,

1101
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: maybe she's going to date the friend, which I and

1102
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: again I'm rooting for them, but yeah, that character felt

1103
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: very weird and underdeveloped, of like she was introduced as

1104
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: someone who I thought I was like, oh, this is

1105
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: someone who could talk sense into, like the Zach character,

1106
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: but then she sort of just ends up folding to whatever.

1107
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: One of the first things she says is, so, who's

1108
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: the lucky rebound skank? Like she and I want to

1109
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: know she's like a big brother icon. Yeah. So it's

1110
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: mostly Paul Walker saying horrible things about women, but the

1111
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: way several different characters talk about women in this movie

1112
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: is bonkers because you have lines like Paul Walker saying

1113
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: whoa whoa whoa Lucu's bag from spring break looking all

1114
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: phone and ship and then uh dol a Hill, and

1115
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: his defense says, in response to that, on behalf of

1116
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: all black people. Shut up. Usher is talking about women.

1117
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: He calls someone magically delicious, um Paul, which is also okay,

1118
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: that's also how you would describe lucky Chtermsey, But he's

1119
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 1: talking specifically about how a woman looks. Paul actual big

1120
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: brother because he sees everything. He literally is a big brother.

1121
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: Paul Walker later says, how does he see all this?

1122
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: And we don't know what his social circle is at all? Right,

1123
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: because you don't know if he has friends or if

1124
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: he's even in high school. We don't know. Zack says,

1125
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: there are two thousand girls in the school and I

1126
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: can bump monkeys with any one of them. The lingo

1127
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: in this movie, I think Paul Walker at one point

1128
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: even says check out the bobos on Super says that

1129
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: he says he's like talked about how he like nailed

1130
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: a flight attendant like a third year old, right Guynestly,

1131
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: he's talking about Taylor, and he says every girl wants

1132
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: to be her and every guy wants to nail her.

1133
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: But then do like Hill comes around, he's just like, oh,

1134
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: she's basically you with tits. So not a feminist icon. Um.

1135
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: So it's just like the fact that you see so

1136
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: many characters, mostly males, some female when it comes to

1137
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: and a pack when through the word skank around talk

1138
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: about women so horribly, and it's almost always in the

1139
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: context of how they look or just like how desirable

1140
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: or undesirable they are two men, and it's really gross.

1141
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: And and granted, like Paul Walker ends up being a

1142
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: villain and we're not supposed to identify with him, but

1143
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: the fact that like, but it's so light a hearing loss,

1144
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: and the fact that like Zack stays friends with him

1145
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: for so long and agrees to the bet that he

1146
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: sort of initiates, and all that stuff is just like

1147
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: any young like teenage boy who is seeing this movie,

1148
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: it's probably like, oh, those guys are so cool, and

1149
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: and that sees how they're talking to women. That they're

1150
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: talking about women was sexual harassment to everybody in the room.

1151
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: You cannot walk around naked, that is offensive and then

1152
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: he volleyball, so you know, junk was straight out. So

1153
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: it's like, hello, we're all here. We don't all don't

1154
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: want to see you naked. You can't just like flash

1155
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: the last frame of the movie. Its like god, and

1156
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: if you're lucky, you'll be the girl who naked guy

1157
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: throws his dick volleyball to any soccer ball. So sorry,

1158
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: but I was like, whoa stead of like yo, like

1159
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: put something. It's like, no one wants to see your

1160
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: flaccid dick graduations consideration his hard day. Sure we don't

1161
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: know how super hard to shape. Freddie Prince j Yeah,

1162
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: the moral compass of this movie is crazy and we

1163
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: are not. And I think you made a great point

1164
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: just now. We are not given really an alternative to

1165
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: any men and young men especially who are seeing this movie.

1166
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: We're not given any alternative to like, oh yeah, and

1167
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: you can also not be the coolest guy in school

1168
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: and also be fine like where we sort of see Jesse,

1169
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: but he is seen very much in support to the

1170
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: main female character, and like, I mean, really, the only

1171
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,959
Speaker 1: male ideal we're given is Freddie Prince Jr. Which again

1172
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him, and he's done so well

1173
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: in his life, but Zach as a character h is

1174
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: a bad person, goes on to be a full on

1175
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: lax bro who does very problematic things for a very

1176
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: long time. I wonder if the ending scene is him

1177
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: getting arrested for public nudity, someone calling the police, like,

1178
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: this is not at this high school or is thirty

1179
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: Why is this happening? Jamie, you said you wanted to

1180
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: come to the defense of Taylor. I would like to

1181
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: come to the defense of Taylor to an extent. I

1182
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: just think that at the top of this movie is

1183
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: mainly Marie County Taylor's defense, because she does sort of

1184
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: very quickly lapse into a violent female on female I

1185
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: have to be prom queen character. But at the very

1186
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: beginning where everyone's just like, oh my god, she's such

1187
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: a bit, she made Zach sad, and then we find

1188
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: out minutes later that Zach is willing to exploit any

1189
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: woman on campus to prove that he's a man. So

1190
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: it's I I sort of felt badly. I can't relate

1191
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: with her in that I wasn't a girl like that

1192
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: in high school that had access to unlimited men. If

1193
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: you can possibly believe if I didn't have access to

1194
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: unlimited thirty year old Freddie Prince juniors at this time.

1195
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: But like the fact that she is made out to

1196
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: be a villain at the jump to again in the

1197
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 1: way that female characters are made to relate to male protagonists.

1198
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: She exists to make us feel badly for Freddie Prince Jr.

1199
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: So that we can get over the moral jump of

1200
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: him being willing to exploit any girl. So it's like

1201
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: we are using a female character to justify a male

1202
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: character exploiting a second female character. So Taylor is the

1203
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 1: first step in this insidious sequence, and I feel for

1204
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: her because in retrospect, if you look at Zack on paper,

1205
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: he's not a good guy. Why would you want to

1206
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: be with this guy. Not that I'm saying that Matthew

1207
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: Lillard's real world care is the better option, but I'm

1208
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: just saying like the movie very quickly demonizes Taylor's character

1209
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: for not wanting to be with Zack when we find

1210
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: out a minute later that Zach is not a good

1211
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: person and willing to do anything to get a girl

1212
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: in order to prove his masculinity. So I just felt

1213
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: like at the beginning of the movie especially, I felt

1214
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: badly for Taylor, because I felt like she was you

1215
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: know that character, and characters like that who don't exist

1216
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: in real life at all, was used as a pawn

1217
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: to characterize the male character, and that bugs me, and

1218
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: that always bugs me, and her character worsens throughout the movie,

1219
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: and that like all she wants to do is kill

1220
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: other women to be promptly, but also you know, goal

1221
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: oriented woman, so she has she has more of a

1222
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: defined goal and desire than Laney does. Again, the story

1223
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: just happens to her. She does, she has no agency,

1224
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: she makes no choices, and the choices she does make

1225
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: make no sense for her character, where she'll be like, no,

1226
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: Paul Walker, I don't want to go to the promise

1227
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: you except here, I am going to the problem with you.

1228
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't anything she does, I guess well to

1229
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: be for Kevin Pollock did say there's a hot guy up,

1230
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and she's just like, well, I might as

1231
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: well prom he'll send his daughter out with anyone, like

1232
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: he didn't even make the connection. And another guy's here

1233
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: and he's just like, hey, look these dudes well that

1234
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: night and he's like, well, then I recognize him to

1235
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: like him. I think in an ultimate world that Taylor

1236
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: and Paul Walker's character should end up together because they're

1237
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: both little conniving bitches and go at it. Let's talk

1238
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: about whether or not this movie passes the Bechtel test.

1239
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: Does it? Does? It does? A few different times. Women

1240
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: actually interact a lot in this movie. Oftentimes it's only

1241
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: for very very short exchange. Some himes, it's with women

1242
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: whose names we don't know. Oftentimes they are talking about men.

1243
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: But there are a few scenes that do pass. One

1244
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: of them is the one where Misty character, although Laney

1245
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: does not respond in that scene, but because there's another

1246
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: woman there, Savannah, who's contributing to the conversation, I think

1247
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: that there's a scene where, well, I don't know if

1248
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: this passes are not, because again, we never learned Katie's

1249
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: name in the movie. We only know this from looking

1250
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: it up on IMDb. But Gabrielle Union, her character and

1251
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: Taylor are talking about her tattoo and then her acceptance

1252
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: speech and how Seene It's like, very clearly eight yard

1253
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: Taylor is like, what I'm a I'm a shoe in

1254
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: for a prom queen, I could win this thing in

1255
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: fluorescent light and blah blah blah, my mom was a

1256
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: prom queen. A good line. So that scene passes the

1257
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: test because there's another character there named Chandler. I want

1258
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: to say, that's the girl with the short hair, right,

1259
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: she's also there talking. Chandler and Laney had one when

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Speaker 1: they're on the beach and she's basically telling Laney that

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Speaker 1: she's not fit and can't play so many body shaving

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Speaker 1: scenes that passive act. Yeah, that's that scene goes like this,

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Speaker 1: I've seen you in Jim class. You run like a girl.

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Speaker 1: Laney says, I am a girl. Chandler says, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Randy says, obviously I don't passes the

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Speaker 1: test is not a good pass um the scene where

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Speaker 1: what the hell is Anna Paquin's character's name mac mackenzie, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: when when they when they talk about makeup, it passes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that passes. Yeah. So there's a few scenes here and

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Speaker 1: there that technically passed the test. Most of them are

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Speaker 1: Taylor bullying Laney more than one time, more than one time,

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Speaker 1: and then lots of problematic passes on this movie, just

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Speaker 1: like this is the opening of the film really sets

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Speaker 1: a precedent and do we know the our teacher. I

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Speaker 1: feel like the our teacher is given a name at

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Speaker 1: some point. I don't think so, I don't think so. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So those scenes don't. Also, the movie, even though it

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Speaker 1: does pass the Backtel test, does not pass the DuVernay test,

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Speaker 1: suggesting that a movie should have characters who are people

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Speaker 1: of color and that exists to not just support the

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Speaker 1: white characters. Because in this movie, right there are like

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Speaker 1: Taylor has friends who are people of color, Zach has

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: friends who are people of color, but they only exist

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01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: in the story to support their white friends. Also does

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01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: not pass the Loftiest test. There is a bald woman

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: in the movie at the performance art show that she's

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01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 1: not in charge. Stupid movie I loved, I did not okay.

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Speaker 1: Rating the movie on our nipple scales zero five nipples

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Speaker 1: based on its portrayal of women, I'm gonna give it

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01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 1: like zero to one half nipple. Like it's just like

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Speaker 1: very low for me because the You're one female main

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: character in any Bogs has no agency, She has no

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Speaker 1: specific desire of her own. She exists to be manipulated

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Speaker 1: throughout the entire story. Also, there's uh I wanted to

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Speaker 1: say really quickly that um of the movies that like

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Speaker 1: have women needing to be made over and fixed so

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Speaker 1: that they can be more desirable to men. That never

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Speaker 1: happens in the reverse of that, where there's hardly every

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Speaker 1: movies where like men need to be made to be

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Speaker 1: more desirable to women. So it's just like, really, it's

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Speaker 1: almost as if men aren't held to that standard of

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Speaker 1: like it's because I feel like attend like you know, however,

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Speaker 1: many years ago, I'd be like, we should make a

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: movie like that. But it's like, no, no one should

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01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: make a movie ye that we should just stop making

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01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: movies like this. And the way that women are talked about,

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Speaker 1: the way that so many the female characters are really

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,839
Speaker 1: nasty to each other, just a whole slew of problems

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Speaker 1: with this movie. I have to give it zero nipple

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Speaker 1: rating the end, I would give it one nipple just

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Speaker 1: for clear Duval being such a strong, like independent woman

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Speaker 1: who just talks whatever she wants. That's the only everyone

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Speaker 1: else is just trying to get by. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give it a nipple as well, and as much as

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Speaker 1: I am trying to get myself out of the habit

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Speaker 1: of giving movies nipples on our iconic writing system for

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Speaker 1: having inklings of useful, valid female characters who are not

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Speaker 1: constantly exploited by the men around them. I do think

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Speaker 1: that there are a lot of seeds of good female

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Speaker 1: characters in that if you're a sixteen year old girl

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Speaker 1: watching this movie, you at least take away that it

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Speaker 1: is okay to like art. At least Landy is not

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01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: stripped of her ability to appreciate art. There are some

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Speaker 1: few paltry things that don't suggest you need to become

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Speaker 1: a tailor in order to be accepted by the norm,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that you are still conditioned to be

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Speaker 1: accepted by the norm is very insidious and bad. And also,

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Speaker 1: teenage girls should be conditioned to say, like, if someone

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Speaker 1: wrongs you, you should expect an apology from them, and

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Speaker 1: probably not end up with them romantically, and probably not

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01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: just be like let Kevin Pollack turn in some mood

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Speaker 1: letting and just accept your life for the rest of

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Speaker 1: what it is. But there are the seeds of valid characters.

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Speaker 1: I do like that there are movies out there that

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Speaker 1: teenage girls can plug themselves into. I just don't like

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Speaker 1: the direction that most of those movies take. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give it one nipple and I'm going to kick it

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Speaker 1: right back to Landy box An. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being thank you, thank you for joy. Um. I'm

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Anna host A N N A H

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Speaker 1: O S S N I E H. I co host

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Speaker 1: a podcast called Ethnically Ambiguous on the House Stuff Works Network.

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Speaker 1: I'm also a producer there and I produce a show

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Speaker 1: called The Daily Site Guys, which is daily it's news

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Speaker 1: and pop culture and Caitlin have been on it. Great episode.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, listen Ethnically Ambiguous if you want to hear

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Speaker 1: stuff about the Middle East and being a brown, a

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Speaker 1: modern brown woman in America. It's fun. So yeah, find

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Speaker 1: give us your money. Um by our merch I we need,

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Speaker 1: I need your money, and other is also very nice.

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Speaker 1: It's so cute as buttons and stickers and it's so great. Otherwise,

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