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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is the Ben Ferguson Podcast. Really nice to have

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Speaker 2: you with us. And if you missed part one of

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Speaker 2: my interview with Elon Musk with Senator Cruz, you may

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Speaker 2: have seen. It's gone viral, Elon Musk tweeting out multiple

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Speaker 2: clips for the interview and the media world covering it

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Speaker 2: wall to wall, being used everywhere, even in the mainstream media. Well,

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Speaker 2: now today's show is even more meaningful in part two

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Speaker 2: because we get into the conversation about the astronauts that

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Speaker 2: were supposed to be in outer space for eight days.

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Speaker 2: Instead they were there for nine months, and the Biden

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Speaker 2: administration in essence made them into political prisoners in outer space.

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Speaker 2: Now Elon Musk and Donald Trump have gotten them home.

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Speaker 2: So what was the backstory behind Wyatt took so long?

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Speaker 2: We have that for you in part two of our

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Speaker 2: interview with Elon Musk, And if you miss part one,

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Speaker 2: go back and listen to Monday's podcasts. So here it

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Speaker 2: is Part two two with the Mosque.

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Speaker 3: Let me start with a question. You know a lot

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Speaker 3: about what year does man first set foot on Mars.

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Speaker 1: I think the soonest would be twenty nine, twenty nine, yes,

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Speaker 1: And I don't think it's more than two to four

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Speaker 1: years beyond that.

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Speaker 3: And that's not an unman, that's that's a human being

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Speaker 3: putting his foot on the surface.

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Speaker 1: Yes, best case would be twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: And what do you put the odds of finding either

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Speaker 3: alien life or evidence of alien life.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to find aliens, okay.

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Speaker 3: But do we find ruins, do we find remnants?

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Speaker 1: We may we may find the ruins of a long

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Speaker 1: dead alien civilization, that's possible. And we may find subterranean

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Speaker 1: microbial life, that's possible. All Right.

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Speaker 3: If man lands on Mars and twenty nine, how soon

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Speaker 3: after that do you land.

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Speaker 1: On Mars remains? And I'm not sure. The important thing

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Speaker 1: is that we uh build a self sustaining city on

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Speaker 1: Mars as quickly as possible. The key threshold is when

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Speaker 1: that city can continue to grow, continue to prosper even

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Speaker 1: when the supply ships from Earth stop coming. At that point,

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Speaker 1: even if something would happen on Earth, it might might

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Speaker 1: It might not be World War three, but it might

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Speaker 1: be that a bad virus. Yeah, it might not be anything.

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Speaker 1: For those things. It's like like say, civilization, you could

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Speaker 1: die with a bang or whimper. It may be that

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Speaker 1: civilization dies with a whimper rather than a bang or

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Speaker 1: and simply loses the ability to send ships to Mars.

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Speaker 1: But so you absoenly need Mars to become self sustaining

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Speaker 1: and be able to grow by itself before the resupply

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Speaker 1: ships from Earth stopped coming. That that is the critical

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Speaker 1: a civilizational threshold beyond which the probable last span of

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Speaker 1: civilization is much greater.

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Speaker 3: And how close are we technologically to be able to

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Speaker 3: do that, to have a self sustaining settlement on the

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Speaker 1: I think it can be done in twenty years, but.

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Speaker 3: It would take twenty years, so we're not in twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: We're not there. What are we missing? What are the

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Speaker 1: We don't have a few people running around the surface

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Speaker 1: in a hostile environment is not going to make it

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Speaker 1: self sustaining. So you're going to need on the order

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Speaker 1: of a million people, maybe a million tons of cargo.

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Speaker 3: So but you think we could have a million people

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Speaker 3: on Mars in twenty years, yes, And what's the technology

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Speaker 1: When you think about a million people.

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Speaker 3: On Mars, do we have the ability to get water,

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Speaker 3: to get food.

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Speaker 1: To keep them safe. I mean, what do we need

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Speaker 1: to make that happen? Well, you need to recreate the

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Speaker 1: entire base of industry of Earth. So you know, we're

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Speaker 1: here at the top of a massive permit of industry.

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Speaker 1: That's thoughts with mining a vast array of materials, those

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Speaker 1: materials going through hundreds of steps of refinements. We grow food, obviously,

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Speaker 1: There's you know, you've got to You've got to build

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Speaker 1: all that on Mars. And Mars is a hostile environment.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it sometimes gets above zero on a

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Speaker 1: the beginning on Mars, you have to have a a

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Speaker 1: life support habitation module, right like you need you can't

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Speaker 1: dome you think is likely, Yeah, glass domes type of thing.

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Speaker 3: Have you identified a location on Mars that is likely

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Speaker 1: Might be Arcadia planet here is one of the one

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Speaker 1: named Arcadia after that. And what makes that attractive. My

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Speaker 1: eldest son's middle name is Ari's Mars.

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Speaker 4: You've been thinking about this for a long time. If

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Speaker 4: you're name and your kids around it.

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Speaker 1: My eldest kid is middle name is essentially Mars.

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Speaker 4: When did you get the dream?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's twenty twenty one soon, this is a

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Speaker 1: decade old. Yeah, dream?

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Speaker 3: So like when you were ten, did you look up

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Speaker 3: and say I'm going to Mars?

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Speaker 1: No? No. I read a lot of science fiction books

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Speaker 1: and program computers. But the first, finally off, the first

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Speaker 1: video game that I sold was a space video game

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Speaker 1: called Blastar. Maybe I spilled this way, how do you.

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Speaker 3: How do you become Elon Musk? Look, you're obviously smart

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Speaker 3: as hell, but but there are lots there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of smart people that don't do squat and you've

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Speaker 3: managed everything you've touched has been an extraordinary success. Uh yeah, yeah, Look,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's just objectively right. So what has led

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Speaker 3: not true, and they gaze at their navel and they

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Speaker 3: don't do anything. So what what do you do differently

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Speaker 3: that makes you so effective?

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Speaker 1: Well? I suppose to have a philosophy of curiosity. I

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Speaker 1: the universe, and in order to do that, we have

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Speaker 1: to travel to other planets, see other staw systems, maybe

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Speaker 1: the remnants of alien civilizations, gain a better understanding of words,

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Speaker 1: it's universe going ready to come from and what questions

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Speaker 1: that is the universe.

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Speaker 3: So let's go back twenty five years, late nineties. You're

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Speaker 3: at PayPal. How do you turned PayPal into the success

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I studied physics and economics and college she's

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Speaker 1: a good foundation for understanding how the economy works and

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Speaker 1: a PhD at Stanford in advanced ultra capacitors actually as

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Speaker 1: go to back to grad school. Grad school is going

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Speaker 1: to be a part of building it. So I created

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Speaker 1: a net into the company. We did the first maps, directions,

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Speaker 1: yealow pages, white pages on the Internet. I actually wrote

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Speaker 1: and we ended up selling that to Compact Texas company.

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Speaker 1: I guess YEP for about three hundred million dollars in

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Speaker 1: cash about four years after I graduated. Wow, So I

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Speaker 1: should say just to preface that I graduated with about

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars a student debt. So it was

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Speaker 1: it yeah, you and me both, Yeah, yeah, right, I know.

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Speaker 1: And when I first arrived in North America, I arrived

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Speaker 3: All right, So you sell the company for three hundred million,

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Speaker 3: How much does that change your life?

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Speaker 1: Well? I got twenty one million dollars black jack, and

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to do more on the Internet, so

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Speaker 1: started a company called x dot com, which merged with

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Speaker 1: a company called Confinity, which is Peter Teel and Max

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Speaker 1: leftun YEP and the combined company was actually at first

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Speaker 1: the name of the company to PayPal. Because of all

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Speaker 1: the name changes, it's kind of confusing. But the company

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Speaker 1: I filed those incorporation documents for that company. Interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and as you know, Peter Tiel and I

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Speaker 3: and did any of this, but you know, I became

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Speaker 3: a lot of dreams.

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Speaker 1: So it's been a heck of a journey. Yeah. Yeah. Now, sly,

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Speaker 1: Peter was involved in a coup. You know, we had

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Speaker 1: of a make peace after that. Yeah yeah, yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean I was doing a lot of sort of risky

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Speaker 1: I then went on a two week trip which was

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Speaker 1: a dual money raising trip and honeymoon, and said not

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Speaker 1: raising money while doing doing Holly honeymoon, But I was

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Speaker 5: Go to friggin Mars. Right, Wow, that's what I wanted.

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Speaker 1: If you want, I'll tell you. It gets crazier, all right,

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Speaker 1: Patterns of the week, patterns of for those innovation slowly.

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Speaker 1: at Tesla to to avoid patent trolls causing causing trouble.

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Speaker 1: So we'll try to look ahead and say, Okay, patent

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Speaker 1: trolls are going to trial, pat file patterns to block

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Speaker 1: certain things, will file patents and then open source to

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Speaker 1: make it free. I mean, I want to say patents

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Speaker 1: for the week. Now, there are a few cases, in

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Speaker 1: say with pharmaceuticals, where it might cost you billion dollars

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Speaker 1: to do a phase three human file, but then subsequently

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Speaker 1: the drug is very cheap to manufacture. So cases there

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Speaker 1: are some, in my opinion, which is massively reduced what

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Speaker 1: can be patented and and and say, because the whole

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Speaker 1: point of patenting is to maximize innovation, not inhibit it.

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Speaker 1: And in my opinion, maybe a controversial opinion, most patents

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Speaker 1: inhibit innovation, they do not help it. But there are

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Speaker 1: cases I want to do want to single out cases

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Speaker 1: like where such as a phase three clinical trial that

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Speaker 1: might cost a billion dollars, but the than the drugs

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Speaker 1: thereafter cost a few dollars to manufacture, and if you

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Speaker 1: can then immediately copy those drugs for a few dollars,

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Speaker 1: no one will pay for the billion dollars. A free

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Speaker 1: writer problem. Free writer problem, yeah, exactly, So you have

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Speaker 1: to address the free writer problem. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: there should be no patterns. Ideas are easy.

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Speaker 4: You want ideas to flow maximum to people to get

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Speaker 4: there faster and do things bigger.

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Speaker 1: The idea is the easy pot the herd. Execution is

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Speaker 1: the hard part. As the old saying goes, it's one

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Speaker 1: percent inspiration, if not less than one percent, and nineteen

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Speaker 1: nine percent perspiration.

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Speaker 3: But I'll say the perspiration part you're really damn good

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Speaker 3: at also because you're making. You know, the companies you're

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Speaker 3: building are actually building stuff. They're building cars, they're building spaceships,

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Speaker 3: they're building things that if they don't work, it's a

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Speaker 3: real problem. And the precision you manufacture things with, how

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Speaker 3: do you get that level of precision? How do you

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Speaker 3: get how do you build a culture? You're not you're

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Speaker 3: amazing at thinking outside the box. But what's interesting thing

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Speaker 3: is you're you may even be better at execution, which

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Speaker 3: is how do you execute so effectively?

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Speaker 1: Well, I take a physics first principles approach to everything.

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Speaker 1: It's not as though I wanted to in source manufacturing.

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Speaker 1: It's just that I was unable to outsource it effectively. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the idea at the beginning of Tesla was

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Speaker 1: that we would outsource almost all the manufacturing, but then

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Speaker 1: it turned out there was no there were no good

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Speaker 1: companies to outsourced manufacturing too, which there wasn't a really really,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't peaceable. Outsourced manufacturing actually is the exception of

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Speaker 1: the rule. And and just over time we had to

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Speaker 1: in source almost everything for Tesla and same for SpaceX.

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Speaker 1: I became very good at manufacturing because I had to

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Speaker 1: lose no choice. At this point, I might know more

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Speaker 1: about manufacturing than any any human ever has, because I've

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Speaker 1: done so many I've manufactured so many different things and

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Speaker 1: so many different arenas. I think probably more than anyone

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Speaker 1: ever has.

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Speaker 3: Look, that's that sounds like an astonishing statement, but it's

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Speaker 3: not a crazy statement. And you're somehow running Tesla and

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Speaker 3: running SpaceX and running X and running the boring company

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Speaker 3: and running doralink and doing doge.

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Speaker 1: How much do you sleep in a given night? About

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Speaker 1: six hours and average.

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Speaker 3: So about six So that's it wouldn't have shocked me

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Speaker 3: if you said three or four.

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Speaker 1: So the Crenet rush is how many hours do you

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Speaker 1: work a day? I work almost every working hour.

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Speaker 3: And Ben, he's not kidding at that. Like when Elan

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Speaker 3: and I were first getting to know each other, I suggested,

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, let's grab dinner sometime and I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you remember what you said.

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Speaker 1: You said, I don't eat dinner. I don't have social dinners,

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Speaker 1: really right, I mean that, Yeah, I mean you obviously

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Speaker 1: eat food, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, idea in a restaurant for two hours, but the

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Speaker 3: idea of like, I don't, But it was it was

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Speaker 3: just kind of a matter of fact, what why would.

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Speaker 1: I go to dinner like you jump you work? Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I literally just thought I'll have lunch, and then it

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Speaker 1: brought during meetings and continue being.

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Speaker 4: How many nights have you slept at your offices? You

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Speaker 4: think your career percentage wise where you say, I just

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Speaker 4: got to take this nap basically because my body forces

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Speaker 4: me to, and I got to get back to work

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Speaker 4: fast and efficiently without going somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess it started out even with the first company,

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Speaker 1: SO two, which is a terrible name, but the first

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Speaker 1: interior company, we were able to rent an office which

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Speaker 1: was like in a leaky attack, essentially full five hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars a month, and the cheapest apartment we could find

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Speaker 1: was eight hundred dollars a month, so like, and we

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Speaker 1: only had about five thousand dollars between our brother and I.

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Speaker 1: So like we're not, We'll we'll just stay in the office. Yep.

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Speaker 1: So we got some couches that converted into beds and

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Speaker 1: we'd can't sleep at night, and then we just have

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Speaker 1: like turn the beds back into catches before anyone came,

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Speaker 1: and then we would shout the YMCA down the road.

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Speaker 1: And so that went that that that that literally was

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Speaker 1: for several months. What we did, it was in great shape,

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Speaker 1: you know, work out the y. I still remember that

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Speaker 1: that y m C a Atu page Miller al Camino

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Speaker 1: in Palo Alto. So that was a long time. Again,

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Speaker 1: so it's been I don't know, I've never thought to

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Speaker 1: count it, but several hundred days maybe, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So you're now the richest man on earth. Do you

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Speaker 3: still sleep at the office, Well, that's true, maybe Mars,

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Speaker 3: we'll find someone else.

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Speaker 1: But I think if if someone is a sovereign head

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Speaker 1: of a country there to facto richer by a lot,

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Speaker 1: do you still sleep at the office now? I have

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Speaker 1: sometimes left at the office.

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