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Speaker 3: And then and Tye, welcome back to the Solid Verbal

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Speaker 3: guest of honor very shortly, Dan Rubinstein, as you know,

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Speaker 3: they don't play well, but the very next week they've

432
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Speaker 3: got a game against ball State or a team that. Look,

433
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Speaker 3: if you're playing at Notre Dame and you're looking at

434
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Speaker 3: ball State, you might not view that game as being

435
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Speaker 3: as quote unquote important. They're all important, but you're eighteen,

436
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Speaker 3: you're twenty two, you can have ball state, and you're thinking,

437
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,479
Speaker 3: we care a lot more about USC that's where all

438
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Speaker 3: of our emotional energy is going. What you're referring to

439
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Speaker 3: is not that. What you're referring to is the public

440
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: saw a team like a bailor. Yeah, put in an

441
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Speaker 3: awesome effort, and now they're going to be all in

442
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Speaker 3: on Baylor despite the fact that their next game the

443
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Speaker 3: following week is something that shouldn't be overlooked. Did I

444
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Speaker 3: hit that one right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And let me give you Let me give you

446
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Speaker 1: an example. We go back to I think this was

447
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Speaker 1: early November and this was a great letdown spot. So

448
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: and what did the public see last? Right? So Purdue

449
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: they beat number three Michigan State forty to twenty nine.

450
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Speaker 1: David Bell goes bonkers, and the next week they were

451
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Speaker 1: a twenty point underdog to Ohio State. Now the public

452
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Speaker 1: might think, well, they're not going to beat them, but

453
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Speaker 1: I mean they just beat Michigan State. They're number three

454
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Speaker 1: in the country. Remind what Chris Andrews says, he makes

455
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Speaker 1: the ratings, not rankings, So that was a leftdown spot

456
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Speaker 1: for Purdue, and it was also kind of you could

457
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Speaker 1: correlate it together of what does the public scene last?

458
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Speaker 1: And that was Purdue winning big on a big stage

459
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Speaker 1: and it's the number three team in the country. Now

460
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Speaker 1: you're playing Ohio State. They're not a three touchdown underdog.

461
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Speaker 1: They got obliterated. So you know, that is something to

462
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Speaker 1: keep in mind. And I think similarly, Toy, you look

463
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Speaker 1: at the National semi final and I played Georgia minus

464
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Speaker 1: seven and a half because what had we seen last?

465
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Speaker 1: It was Iowa getting killed by Michigan. Michigan beating Ohio

466
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Speaker 1: State and the last memory of Georgia was them losing

467
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Speaker 1: by seventeen to Alabama. Is Georgia overrated? Who did they

468
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Speaker 1: really play? Are they that good? Well, at the end

469
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Speaker 1: of the day, they are, and they hammered Michigan. So

470
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Speaker 1: that was, you know, one of those to me, what

471
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Speaker 1: has the public scene last? Because the public was taking

472
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Speaker 1: the points and that was one of those kind of

473
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Speaker 1: red flags to me when you see a number at

474
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Speaker 1: seven and a half, just stay stand pat there. There's

475
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Speaker 1: a reason. You know the public is like, oh, I'm

476
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Speaker 1: getting candy seven and a half. That means they can

477
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Speaker 1: lose by a touchdown and I still win my bet.

478
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's too good to be true. That's why I

479
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: say stinky, a little fishy. Something's off here. So let's

480
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Speaker 1: get to the National Championship and look, I am, as

481
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Speaker 1: Samuel L. Jackson said in Jurassic Park, I'm gonna be

482
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Speaker 1: holding onto my butt here because this is this is

483
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Speaker 1: not gonna be fun. Nick Saban as an underdog. I

484
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Speaker 1: believe it's six and one straight up since two thousand

485
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Speaker 1: and eight, so straight up meeting. He won those games outright,

486
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Speaker 1: and Kirby Starts never beaten Nick Saban and they already

487
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Speaker 1: killed him once.

488
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Speaker 2: But that line to me is screaming, why is it three?

489
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Speaker 2: Why is it not moving?

490
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Speaker 1: You know everybody out there is playing Alabama. And to

491
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Speaker 1: answer your question, why is the number three? Because odds

492
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Speaker 1: makers don't overreact? Do they don't overreact? What was the

493
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Speaker 1: line for the SEC Championship? It was six and a half.

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, six and a half.

495
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Speaker 1: So that's a pretty that's a pretty big adjustment with

496
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Speaker 1: no significant injuries, no quarterback out, no anything like that.

497
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Speaker 1: I think that's where oddsmakers are and that's why you

498
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Speaker 1: saw some of that sharp money come in early when

499
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Speaker 1: it was under three and take Georgia.

500
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Speaker 2: So we'll see if this line moves. I really don't

501
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Speaker 2: think it will.

502
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Speaker 1: I think any anytime it dips to two and a

503
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Speaker 1: half ty, I think it's gonna be gobbled right back

504
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: up by the by the wise guys. And look for

505
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Speaker 1: those listening in. They don't always win. Wise guys lose.

506
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: Everybody loses. You know, in order to be a profitable

507
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: better you need to hit about fifty three percent of

508
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: your bets, so they lose a lot. So if you've

509
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Speaker 1: got an Alabama ticket right now, whether it be on

510
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: the money line or plus the three, I'm not telling

511
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: you that they're gonna lose. They very well could win

512
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Speaker 1: this game. It's Alabama, it's Nick Saban. I'm gonna be

513
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: on Georgia. But we are wrong a lot of the time.

514
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Speaker 3: I am on Alabama. And you know, we put the

515
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Speaker 3: podcast out there on I guess Wednesday. We're recording this

516
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Speaker 3: on Thursday. And my thesis is outside of the Mechi injury,

517
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Speaker 3: which perhaps I did not give enough credence to enough

518
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Speaker 3: weight to Outside of that, I just don't know what's changed.

519
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: And if you're telling me that Nick Saban has a

520
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: chance to prepare. It's against a coach he's never lost to,

521
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: and he's getting points. That seems like it would be

522
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Speaker 3: a pretty profitable proposition. That's not to say that Georgia

523
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Speaker 3: can't get its act together, that Stetson Bennett can't play

524
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Speaker 3: a clean game without two picks, without three picks like

525
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Speaker 3: you had in twenty twenty, and that the defense can't

526
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Speaker 3: figure out some way to get more pressure on Bryce.

527
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Speaker 3: I don't think you're going to fully neutralize them, but

528
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Speaker 3: there's a lot that they can do, certainly to improve

529
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Speaker 3: upon the result from last time around. I'm just not

530
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Speaker 3: banking on it. And if you're giving me weeks, you know,

531
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Speaker 3: a week and a half to prepare, I'm going to

532
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Speaker 3: take Nick Saban pretty much every time.

533
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Speaker 2: And that's you know, I didn't play Alabama.

534
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Speaker 1: I actually played the under in the first semi final

535
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Speaker 1: with Cincinnati. I really thought that was going to be

536
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Speaker 1: the game plan, you know, as a Notre Dame fan,

537
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: we saw it last year, which was we're going to

538
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: get up, keep our opponent at arm's length and kind

539
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Speaker 1: of cruise on into the national championship.

540
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Speaker 2: And that's what they did. They were able to run

541
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Speaker 2: the ball.

542
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Speaker 1: Now, they're not going to be able to run the

543
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Speaker 1: ball against Georgia, but they threw all over them in

544
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Speaker 1: that first you know meeting, and I think Georgia ultimately

545
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Speaker 1: the secondary does scare me. The fact that I'm betting

546
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: against the Heisman Trophy winner certainly scares me quite a bit.

547
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams is going to be a you know, top ten,

548
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: top fifteen pick. All those things are terrifying. And it's

549
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: Nick Saban. It's not four weeks to prepare, which makes

550
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Speaker 1: me feel a little bit better. It's ten days. Not

551
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: to say that he won't be prepared, and not to

552
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: say that his army of analysts haven't been prepping for

553
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Speaker 1: Georgia for the past six weeks. I mean, we know

554
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Speaker 1: that that that's absolutely happening right now, you know. I

555
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 1: just I did a little digging and look, people are

556
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Speaker 1: going to have trends out there, tie and you know

557
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: they are what they are. But I went back and

558
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I looked at when we've had Bowl rematches from the

559
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Speaker 1: regular season, who wins those games. The last seven times

560
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: we've had a Bowl rematch, the team that lost in

561
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: the regular season won the bowl game. And one of

562
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Speaker 1: those I think many people will remember very fondly LSU

563
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: beat Alabama in that you know, horrifying nine to six

564
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: overtime game and then blanked LSU in the national title.

565
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: Alabama did twenty one to nothing. You go back to

566
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Speaker 1: ninety six, Florida Florida State played in their classic rivalry.

567
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Speaker 1: Florida State won by three. Florida then won by thirty

568
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Speaker 1: two in the National Champiapionship. Now Dan's not here for

569
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Speaker 1: me to rub it in his face. This is not

570
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: This is not a fool proof system. Because what did

571
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: Utah do after they played Oregon? They kicked their ass again.

572
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: So it doesn't always work out. I'll give you one

573
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Speaker 1: more example that I think is worth bringing up here.

574
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Speaker 1: It was twenty seventeen, I believe all excuse me. Georgia

575
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: lost to Auburn in the regular season. Remember Auburn ran

576
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: all over them in the SEC championship. Georgia was a favorite.

577
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: The public was like, you're crazy, Auburn already beat him,

578
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: and they suffocated Auburn and won twenty eight to seven.

579
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Speaker 2: That was the year Georgia went to the National championship.

580
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Speaker 2: That was the two A game.

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Speaker 1: Maybe twenty eighteen I can't remember what year was somewhere

582
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Speaker 1: in that range, so I just history slightly on my side.

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Speaker 1: But you know, once again, I have been the way

584
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Speaker 1: I've been betting my entire adult life has been the

585
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: stinky line fading the public. And I feel like that

586
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: is what this situation is screaming out to me, which

587
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: is why is Georgia three?

588
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Now?

589
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: You could get into, you know, more conversations. You know,

590
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: books have liability in the futures market and blah blah blah.

591
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: But I think it's for me at a principle, I

592
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: gotta grab Georgia. I think these two teams are almost

593
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: mirror images. Obviously at the quarterback position, Alabama's got the advantage.

594
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: I they get running back. George's got the advantage. You know,

595
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Speaker 1: I'm really curious about George Pickens. You know, he hasn't

596
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: really done much yet. Are you a Simpsons fan?

597
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: I not as much as Dan, But who is a

598
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: Simpsons fan?

599
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Speaker 1: Right? There is a week there's a random episode, maybe

600
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Speaker 1: like three of your listeners will know what I'm talking about,

601
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: But there was an episode where there was like a

602
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: melee out on the Simpsons yard and there was one

603
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: guy standing in the corner and Homer goes, well, that

604
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: guy hasn't done anything yet, and they go back into

605
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: the house and he goes He's like ah, he goes

606
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: study nuts and Homer gets all disappointed. I feel like

607
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: that's metch. I feel like that George Pickens, Like, are

608
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: we going to get something from George Pickens here? We

609
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: know how incredible Rock Bowers is, So I just I'm

610
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: really excited about this game.

611
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a phenomenal game.

612
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: I will have Georgia, but I just hope, you know,

613
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: we get another classic and go back to the year.

614
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Speaker 1: You guys talked about it this week, you know, and

615
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Dan brought this up. Think about the quarterbacks. Zach Calzada

616
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: had success against Alabama, So it's not like I know,

617
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: in championship games tie it's been Deshaun Watson and Trevor

618
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: Lawrence those types of guys and Stetson Bennett isn't that.

619
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Speaker 1: But Zach Calzada had success against them this year, So

620
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: it's to think I think it's it's it's it's not

621
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Speaker 1: a vintage Georgia Alabama defense. Will Anderson's amazing. He'd be

622
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: a top five pick if he played this year. So

623
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Speaker 1: I think it's there's so many unique dynamics to this

624
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: game and I can't wait to watch it.

625
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very excited about it. I do want to

626
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: go back to something, though. So we're talking about the

627
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: Vegas Power ratings and Chris Andrews and the stinky lines

628
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: and those sorts of things, and I guess coupled with

629
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Speaker 3: the fact that so much of sports gambling now is

630
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: accessible and less taboo, and I think I agree with

631
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: you in large part that it does add to some

632
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: extent to the fan experience. Provides more information, It gives

633
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: another data point, something else to be mindful of if

634
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: you're a fan, or if you're betting money, or even

635
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: not betting money. It's just more information to make things interesting.

636
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Speaker 3: One of my earliest memories of points spreads, and I

637
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: didn't really get into this until I started doing the

638
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: podcast after college, after I was already in the workforce

639
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: a couple of years and had a few bucks here

640
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: or there that I could bet if I wanted. But

641
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: one of my earliest memories of the veguesst Power ratings

642
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: was going out to my car over my lunch break

643
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: on the mysterious day job and back in the day,

644
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Speaker 3: This is a true story. Back in the day, I

645
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: would a Colin Cowherd. This is before Colin Cowherd sort

646
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: of went into a caricature and when he was with

647
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: ESPN and no one really knew who he was, and

648
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: he would be pretty gung ho on calling these out

649
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: and to the extent where it almost was very cynical. Right,

650
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 3: We've got this big matchup between a David and a Goliath,

651
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: and everybody wants to root for the David, but Vegas

652
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: has the Goliath as like a thirty five point favorite.

653
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: Why haven't bother right? It always felt very cynical to me,

654
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: And you know, I've adapted, and obviously I know doing

655
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: this show that a big underdog can still win. It

656
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 3: doesn't happen as often, maybe as the public would like,

657
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: but still happens from time to time. I want to know,

658
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: from your perspective now, with such an intense focus on

659
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: the point spreads, being so you are so close to

660
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: the Vegas perspective of things, has it made you a

661
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: more cynical fan? Does it make you like college football

662
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: any less?

663
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: No, it's probably made me like it more. I really,

664
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: I just I've expanded my horizons. I mean, I just

665
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, growing up, you know, kind of near you

666
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: in the DC area. I went to college, uh in

667
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: the town that you live in right now. Shout out

668
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: in Neuhlenberg. Let's go mules. You know.

669
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: I I've I've expanded.

670
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: I like it more. I I like deep, you know,

671
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: deeper dives. I like these non top twenty five games.

672
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: So I know, you know, to me, it's it's made

673
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: it better. And that's just I mean, that's just me,

674
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: you know. And it's funny though, you know, I'll give

675
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: you an example of the David vs. Goliath and even

676
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: though you know, in twenty twelve, uh was was a

677
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: magical season for US Notre Dame fans, right, you know,

678
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: they somehow get to the national title. I remember I

679
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: was in the Poconos in Pennsylvania when Notre Dame beats USC.

680
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm booking my flight to Miami that night. I get

681
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: down there and I hadn't really got into gambling a

682
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: ton yet. I remember texting with my buddy and now

683
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I was like, what's the point spread? He's like, Alabama,

684
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: you know my and I'm like, oh my god. I'm

685
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: like I'm on the money line. Notre Dame is gonna

686
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: pull it off. And I'm sitting there and we got

687
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: we actually had great seats of the game unfortunately, and

688
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: I just look at Alabama and I look at Notre

689
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: Dame and I'm like, thank god, it didn't make that bet.

690
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,479
Speaker 1: You know, it's like Vegas knows, man, And that's that's

691
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is you know, you even think back

692
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: to the playoff with Cincinnati, and Cincinnati is to what

693
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: Dan was saying, and I said it on Twitter that night,

694
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, Cincinnati belonged. Man. It's just, you know, there's

695
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: a separation factor when you continue to get these five stars.

696
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: It's not their fault.

697
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: Like Sauce Gardner is going to be a first round pick,

698
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant's going to be a pro, Desmond Ritter is

699
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: going to be a pro, Jerome Ford's a pro. Like

700
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: they got dudes. Alabama's got more and they got the

701
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: best coach in the world, and they knew exactly what

702
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: they were gonna do. They didn't try to throw the

703
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: ball on an elite secondary. They were going to run

704
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: the ball. And there was a reason it was a

705
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: two touchdown spread. And we do this thing where we

706
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: try to talk ourselves into it, and ultimately without well,

707
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: I won't say without fail, but almost every time we

708
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: end up recognizing, oh, yeah, there is there's Goliath, and

709
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: very rarely does that rock sling and hit him in

710
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: the head and he falls down.

711
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: The Notre Dame thing was so interesting, and it's another,

712
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: I think, element to the whole sports gambling bit, especially

713
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 3: now that it is more mainstream even than twenty twelve.

714
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: You know, let's be honest, it's come a long way

715
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: in a very short period of time. I remember being

716
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: in the lobby of the media hotel in twenty twelve

717
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: going into that week thinking that there is no chance

718
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: in hell Notre Dame could ever come anywhere close to

719
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: Alabama right now, There's no chance in hell. And we

720
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: spent the entire week interviewing media folks about that, and

721
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: everybody was very, very like minded, and through just the

722
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: normal course of the week, talking reporting, going through and

723
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: just talking about the same matchups over and over again.

724
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: By the end of the week, I would venture I

725
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 3: guess twenty five percent of the people that we interviewed

726
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: had talked themselves into Notre Dame plus the points over

727
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: the span, and nothing had changed. It was. They had

728
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: gone to media day, they had talked to coaches, they

729
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: had talked to each other over the course of time.

730
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: It was astounding to me and I was included in that.

731
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: By the end of that week, I was like, Ah,

732
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: Notre Dame plus ten, what are we talking about? Whatever

733
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: it was, it didn't matter. And I think I did

734
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: lose money on that, because, like you said, Vegas ultimately

735
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: does know. It's just amazing how despite the fact that

736
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: you've got all this information, in all these data points

737
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: that suggest yes, the point spread is accurate, Ultimately it's

738
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: an emotional decision. And so when we talk about things

739
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: like public betting, when we talk about letdowns and look

740
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: aheads and whatnot. I mean, so much of what we're

741
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: talking about in our show is emotional and from the

742
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: fans perspective and that sort of thing. Vegas just doesn't

743
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: respond to that in the way that the part emotion.

744
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: No, they don't have emotion.

745
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they recognize certain things they know that

746
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, teams after a big win, especially in college,

747
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: are are susceptible to a letdown spot. And I think,

748
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: and I'll say this, ty, I think we're they're not

749
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: all the way there. But the public's getting smarter.

750
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: I mean they recognize these things.

751
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 3: They're more resources now. There's way more resources now because

752
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: it's so mainstream and.

753
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think sports books like it. I mean,

754
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, the the odds makers I've talked to, they

755
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: like when people come out to Vegas and they you know,

756
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: they go up to the counter and they know what

757
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: to do. They know to look at, you know, the

758
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: number of the game and bet that way instead of

759
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: can I have one hundred dollars on you know this game?

760
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: And then they have to look it up. You know,

761
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: I think people are becoming more educated, more, you know,

762
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: wiser a little bit. Look, there's always going to be

763
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: the square better, which is you know, just kind of

764
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: go with the public. But hey, I mean that's what

765
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: makes the world go round, differing opinions, and and the

766
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: beauty of betting on sports or just picking games. You know,

767
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: you don't even have to bet on them, but just

768
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: picking games like it's always a winner and a loser,

769
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: and if you're a good sport about it.

770
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: I think that's the fun thing too.

771
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: Especially you know, what I've kind of tried to do

772
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: is you've got to be self deprecating. Too many people

773
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: take things way too seriously. Obviously in all forms of life.

774
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: We're talking about sports, and there's a right, you know,

775
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: it's not life and death. If I you know, if

776
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: I pick Georgia and Alabama wins by forty, I'll come

777
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: on the air and I'll say, well, I was an idiot.

778
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: What was I doing betting against Nick Saban? They already

779
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: won by seventeen Kirby starts never beat them.

780
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: What kind of idiot would do that I did?

781
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: So it's just, you know, it's that's kind of the

782
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: fun part of it, if you if you're able to

783
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: have a sense of humor, which obviously you guys do

784
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: and which is what makes you know, this podcast so fun.

785
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's the that's the best part

786
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: about it. And like, anyone could pick games, but when

787
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: you put the spread on it, it makes it a little

788
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: more challenging. You know. It's you know, any one can

789
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: play Madden on the easiest level, but you know, pump

790
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: it up a little bit and see how you do

791
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: against the computer.

792
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: That way, I met a pro better one time in

793
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: my life, and in that conversation, I seem to remember

794
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: the gentleman telling me that he had his own proprietary

795
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 3: formula where given win conditions and the particular golf course,

796
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: he could tell you within about three strokes what Phil

797
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: Nicholson was going to shoot anytime out there. That was

798
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: a pretty extreme example to me. And I don't know

799
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: if I fully bought it, but the guy had several houses,

800
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: So maybe I should have. Have you met these guys

801
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: or women like what?

802
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

803
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: What makes them tick?

804
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? I met a couple of them. They're out there.

805
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you this, man, I don't envy them.

806
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: They are grinding. It is hard to do to be profitable,

807
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: to have a living off of being a professional sports better.

808
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, this would be my tip. The

809
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: the pro sports betters that you don't know, those are

810
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: some of the best because they don't want people to

811
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: know what they're betting. You know, there's a lot of

812
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: people out there that are selling picks.

813
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: Be very careful. That's that's what I would say.

814
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: You know, we at VSEN we're you know, we're a network.

815
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: You know, we're we have differing opinions. We're not pick sellers,

816
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, so just be careful. That would be you know,

817
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: my my word of advice the people selling picks out there.

818
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: I've heard this from multiple odds makers. They say, if

819
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: they're so profitable and so good at betting, they don't

820
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: need to sell picks. But yeah, I mean they got

821
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: their own power ratings. They're going to differ with the books.

822
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: They're going to be the first ones in line. You know.

823
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: What's become really interesting is where I.

824
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: Work, Circus Sports, where our studio is, I should say

825
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: they set the market, which means they're the first lines

826
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: out there for college football and college football fans every

827
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: Sunday are really really intrigued at around two Eastern for

828
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: those lines to come out because you're like, what is

829
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: my team going to be this week? Even though you're

830
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: not going to bet it, you can only bet it

831
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. I think Circus in Iowa now too,

832
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: But it's just to see it. It's that reference point

833
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: of oh man, we're a six point underdog to so

834
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: and so. It's it's really become fascinating to me the

835
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: college football landscape and how much they've embraced that Sunday

836
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: reveal of what the point spreads are for the upcoming week.

837
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Speaker 3: Did you have a favorite team to bet on this

838
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: season because for me that team was Baylor. You know,

839
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: they were really good against the point spread, and in

840
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: a lot of cases that stemmed from the fact that

841
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: expectations at the beginning of the season are very low,

842
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 3: and so initially a couple weeks in Baylor upset Iowa State.

843
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: In Iowa State was, you know, preseason, one of the

844
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: teams to watch for, not contender per se, but certainly

845
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve, a contender. I don't know about nationally,

846
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: but everybody knew about Iowa State. Iowa State clearly was

847
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: not all was cracked up to be by the time

848
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: the end of the season rolled around. But Baylor Iowa State.

849
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: I remember looking at some of the numbers that we

850
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: had access to and I said to Dan, I, you know,

851
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: maybe I'm crazy for this, but I really think that

852
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: Baylor is going to win this game. Baylor won the game.

853
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: From that point forward, I was in on bailor pretty

854
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: much every week, and it paid pretty good dividends. It's

855
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: not always the case, because eventually you get so into

856
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: a team, or the public gets so into a team

857
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: that Vegas catches on and then it starts to flip

858
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: in the other direction. But for me not to steal

859
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: your thunder and answer my own question, but Baylor was

860
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: probably that team.

861
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you a couple examples. So early on

862
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: in the season, I remember one of my favorite plays

863
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: I wrote it up for our website was Washington. I

864
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: think they were a two point dog at Michigan, and

865
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Washington had a lot of buzz preseason.

866
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: Then they lost Week.

867
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: One to Montana. Yeah, yeah, so I was like, oh,

868
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: great spot. Public's me all over Michigan. You know this

869
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: is a great spot to bet Washington. I think you

870
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: bet Washington that game too. I think we were texting. Yeah.

871
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: It was horrifying. They were awful, and.

872
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they just suck. So sometimes you know

873
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 1: you're just wrong. A team that I was in on

874
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: and then I was kicking myself on my show and

875
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Friend of the Pod. I loved Western Kentucky. I went

876
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: all in. I read the I knew about him. I'm like, Bailey,

877
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: Zappie's coming in, Zach Kittley, I'm like, this is great,

878
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: you know Stern's I'm like, they're gonna be great.

879
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: And I remember, you know, I think it was week

880
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: three or four.

881
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 1: Indiana still kind of had that buzz from last year,

882
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: and they were a nine and a half point favored

883
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: against Western Kentucky and I just went all in on

884
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Western Kentucky and as the.

885
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: Year went on, kept betting them, betting, I'm betting them.

886
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: But then we get to the Boca Ratona Bull.

887
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: And everybody's in on Bailey Zappy and I don't know

888
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: if you had a buddy like this. I had one

889
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: of my best friends in college. He loved the chase.

890
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: He loved to chase the girl, and she was just

891
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: not give him any attention. And then he'd ultimately like

892
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: she'd give him the light of day. She's interested, and

893
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: he's like, now I'm good, you know he I was like, dude,

894
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: what's wrong? Like, you won the game, the girl is

895
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: interested in I.

896
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, But that's the that's the fun, that's

897
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: the fun part.

898
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: You know. So we get to the Boca Ratone Bowl

899
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: and you would think a team that I have paid

900
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: attention to bet on all year gonna hammer him. This

901
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: is Bailey Zappi's final game. What did I do?

902
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: Nothing? Didn't even bet the game.

903
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: And they beat out of State handily.

904
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they obliterate and the over comes home because

905
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: they're you know, the run and shoot, Like I just

906
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: felt like such a dope in that spot, uh to

907
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: to not to not you know, come through? And then

908
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: one final one you're kind of staying in that that

909
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: realm UTSA people kind of caught wind of them, right

910
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: and they what was the game? They beat UA B

911
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: at the Alamo Domes A great game, didn't cover, but

912
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: they got the win and they clinched the CUSA Division

913
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: to go to the conference championship where they would ultimately

914
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: beat Western Kentucky. And they were playing North Texas. North

915
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: Texas was five and six, started one and six, and

916
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: everybody and their mother was on UTSA. And I'm like, no, no, no,

917
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: this is a letdown spot, Like did you see the

918
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: emotion in that game? So sometimes you get off at

919
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: the right time, like UTSA had been this great story.

920
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: I remember UTSA. I bet them twice. Early on this year,

921
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: Illinois beat Nebraska. Following week, Illinois hosted UTSA, and you know,

922
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: college football fans knew. I'm like, UTSA brought back a lot.

923
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: They've got Harris, they've got the running back whose name

924
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: is escaping me Ceceer McCormick and I was like, UTSA

925
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: is live here, So I played them there, and then

926
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: a couple weeks later Memphis. Remember that crazy game Memphis

927
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: Mississippi State, like that, there was like a there was

928
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: a punt that shouldn't have been run back, there was

929
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: a bogus call. Whatever. The next week Memphis played the

930
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: road Runners, and I was like, back in on a

931
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: UTSA letdown spot for Memphis. So you know, it's sometimes

932
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: you get lucky you could jump off at the right time.

933
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, So Western Kentucky was a team I loved

934
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: all year and then they got too cool for me,

935
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: and of course instead of just riding with them, I

936
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: felt like I was going to get burned. And they

937
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: obliterated Appalachian State.

938
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 3: Tim Murray post On Vsin a couple more for you here.

939
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: I need to bring this up because I know what

940
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: folks who actually know sports betting would think of this.

941
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: But I at least used to be, and to some

942
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: extent still am, very superstitious, to the extent where I

943
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: would try the reverse jinks almost every week on Notre Dame.

944
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: Now I stopped doing it this past greed, and hopefully

945
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: I have now convinced myself that it is not a factor.

946
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: Going eleven and one is still okay. And there were

947
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: many weeks where I actually put a money bet, like

948
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: five dollars bet on Notre Dame and it worked out.

949
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 3: It worked out just fine. Notre Dame was half decent

950
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: against the spread this year.

951
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: Nine in three ats Man card last seven pretty good.

952
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: Do you have any superstitions? Do you know anyone who

953
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: has superstitions? What do we do about this? What should

954
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: I like? How do I recover?

955
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: Well? I mean I think you know, I'll give you

956
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: an example. You know, we're recording on Thursday last night,

957
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Wednesday night. It's on my twitter feed. We're I am

958
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: a big believer. When you have a bet that you

959
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: just it's like a no hitter man, just don't.

960
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: Talk about talk about it.

961
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't talk. It's like it's like the you know,

962
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: going back to the Fiesta Bowl, right who was on

963
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: who was on the call? Bob was choosing. I think

964
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: he was like, uh.

965
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: Oh man, it was with choosing and Daniel Arlowsky.

966
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Notre Dame's kicker has been been solid this year,

967
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, he's really good kicker. Sure enough

968
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: misses the field goal.

969
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you doing?

970
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: Man?

971
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: Come on, like, I mean, we've watched Jonathan Door I

972
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: to say, a really good kicker. Yeah, after the season's.

973
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: Sad, I'm like, uh, and I'm just sitting there. I'm like, yeah,

974
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: he's gonna miss, he's gonna miss, and uh, sure enough

975
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: he pushed it right. But so going back to last night,

976
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: I to your question, I am a big believer. It's

977
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: called mushing.

978
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: You know, mush, don't mush to bet. It's basically jinxing.

979
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: So it's Iowa State against Texas Tech in college basketball.

980
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: Our producer has Iowa State as a four and a

981
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: half point favorite. Iowa State gets fouled, trot down to

982
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: the free throw line. There's four seconds to go. It's

983
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: forty nine to forty four. They're winning and Sean's like, ah, Aaron,

984
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: you're good. And I just look at him and I go,

985
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: what did you just do? I was like, are you

986
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: kidding me? I was like, He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

987
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 1: Iowa State's gonna make free throws. I go, I under

988
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: stand that it's gonna be seven. What do three pointers

989
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: give you? He's like, no, no, no, it's good. They

990
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: have got forty four points and they can't do it.

991
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, and Sure is not sure enough. What happens? Yeah,

992
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: two free throws made Texas Tech brings the ball up,

993
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: pump fakes throws up a desperation shot banks in fifty

994
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: one forty seven. Our producer loses his bet. So yes,

995
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: I am very superstitious. Until I can have my ticket

996
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: cashed and it be done, I will not talk about it.

997
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: Is like a no hitter man.

998
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: Now.

999
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: I will try to reverse jinks at all the time.

1000
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: I tried that for a decade.

1001
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'll just make fun of myself, Like

1002
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: if George is down like twenty one in the first quarter,

1003
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be tweeting up a storm, like what an idiot?

1004
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: Why would I ever think that Georgia could win? Like,

1005
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: come on, sweet baby, give me that reverse jinx. But

1006
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: if they're of twenty one, you won't see a peep

1007
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: from me. I will not be speaking of that whatsoever.

1008
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: I would be curious to hear from Arvar Ballerhood what

1009
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: types of superstitions you have when it comes to either

1010
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: watching football or actually betting on football. Oh god, I

1011
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 3: mean sure, there are plenty.

1012
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: Craziest they're the craziest.

1013
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely all right, Well, one final question here before I

1014
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: let you go again. Tim Murray from the vs In

1015
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: Sports Betting Network. You already mentioned at the top that

1016
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: you're on Georgia minus three. You explain why. I wonder

1017
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 3: if there are any other tips you have for us,

1018
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 3: Being so you are so intimately familiar with all things

1019
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: Vegas and point spreads and sports betting at this juncture,

1020
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 3: any other bets that we should look for, be it

1021
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: the over under, be it any kind of player props,

1022
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: things of that nature. What else should our folks be

1023
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 3: looking at now, with the benefit of the weekend in

1024
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 3: front of them, in the game, not until Monday evening.

1025
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: Well, I think overall, I would just say this.

1026
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: You know, it goes hand in hand with the Super

1027
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: Bowl National Championship. Just because it's a big time game

1028
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to bet more on it. You know,

1029
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: if you've got a good feel about you know, Northern

1030
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: Illinois and Marshall will bet forty dollars on that game

1031
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: in November. And then you know, if you don't have

1032
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: a great feel on don't don't bet it. So, you know,

1033
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't have a necessarily tip. I do like Georgia.

1034
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: It is a contrarian play. It's you know, kind of

1035
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: a just just how I've always bet.

1036
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: But you know, go with what you think, you do

1037
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: your homework. I mean, and you mentioned it, Ty.

1038
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: There's so many resources out there, so if you're interested,

1039
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: you know their podcast obviously Vson, I would recommend you

1040
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: watch us, listen to us. You can listen to us

1041
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: for free twenty four hours. You'll listen to you guys.

1042
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all about taking information in and deciding

1043
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: what to do with it.

1044
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: So that would be my advice.

1045
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: It's not overwhelming one way, or I don't have a

1046
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: great feel in the total I would say if I do.

1047
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: You know, we had a really good you know, sports

1048
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: better on our show last night, is named Kenny White.

1049
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: He said his power ratings have it at forty six,

1050
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: so he has bet the under. I don't know if

1051
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: I'll tail that. I am on Georgia and that might

1052
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: be the only way I roll. But I do want

1053
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: to say one final thing before we bid farewell, because

1054
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: I am, like the listeners, a verbaler myself. Yeah, and

1055
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: there was one of the craziest things and it made

1056
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: me recognize the magnitude of the the baller hood, as

1057
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: you would say. So two years ago, as we started

1058
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: to become friends, you and I and Dan, we would

1059
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: text back and forth. I was doing a show in DC,

1060
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: my hometown, and my alma mater, New Alenberg was in

1061
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: the I believe they were in the quarter finals of

1062
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament for Division III football. So I texted

1063
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: you guys on a Tuesday before preview show and I'm like,

1064
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, you guys got to talk about

1065
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: Muhlenberg Salisbury like the mules, Baby, We're gonna make it

1066
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: to the final four, first time in school history. And

1067
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: your Dan responded because I lived in Annapolis, Maryland, which

1068
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: is about about a two hour drive to the Eastern

1069
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: Shore where Salisbury University is located, and you were Dan said, Ah,

1070
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: are you going to the game? I was like, no,

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00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going. It's too cold. And I'm sitting there,

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00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's a Wednesday or whatever. I'm at work

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00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: and these weird tweets just are firing into me on

1074
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: Twitter and it's like, don't be it, don't be a

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: coward and afraid of seagulls. I'm like, what, like one

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00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: fired in and then another, and then we got gifts

1077
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: coming in and I'm like showing my co hosts at

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00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: the time too, I'm like, what the hell is this?

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00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: Like did I say something on air? And I'm like

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00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: really trying to rack my mind, and finally I came

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00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: to the conclusion. I'm like, oh, that's son of a gun.

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00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, let me go listen to the solid

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00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: verbal this week. So I'm like I'm listening. You guys

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00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: are doing your normal thing, and I'm like, I bet

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00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: you they did this at the end. So I scan

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00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: all the way to the end, and sure enough, Dan,

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00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: that little conniving son of a you know what is like,

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00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: you know what? You need to tweet Tim and tell

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00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: him don't be afraid of seagulls.

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00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,959
Speaker 3: Don't be Tim Murray Murray.

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00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like it just it blew my mind.

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00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: And it's a credit to you guys and your listeners

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00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: the dedication, because look, I mean, I've done podcasts, I've

1094
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: done shows, so people listen to the first thirty minutes,

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00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: We're good. It was at the very end of I

1096
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: got an hour and fifteen minute show and you guys

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00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: were firing out. So the verballer hood is strong. And

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00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: I tip my cap to you guys, because you guys

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00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: made me very confused for a good chunk of time.

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00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: Point it was that was impressive.

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00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: No, we have a great, a great verballerhood for sure,

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00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: and most of the people who listen to our show

1103
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: overwhelming with the number of people who listened to our

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00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: show listen to the very end, which is awesome and

1105
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 3: a testament to them, not necessarily us. So look, it's

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00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: been a pleasure having you. I can't believe it's the

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: first time we've had you on the show. We'll have

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00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: you on, I promise you again at some point the

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00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 3: very near future, certainly as we get into the off

1110
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: season and start talking about things like projections and win

1111
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: totals and things of that nature. Well, we'll be sure

1112
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: to bring you back. Do we want to bet something

1113
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: on the game? By the way, because we're on opposite sides.

1114
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: Here, Oh sure, what do you want to do?

1115
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: We want to give it some thought. Maybe we should

1116
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 3: throw that out to the verballer hood.

1117
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, leave it up to the verballerhood. I've already lost

1118
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 2: a bet this year. I did a bet on my show.

1119
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: It was a college football bet. And we have a

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00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: regular guest. His name is Darren Banks. He works at Circa.

1121
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: He's kind of the owner's right hand man. But he

1122
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: played in the NHL, so he comes on every Friday.

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: We have a fun time and I forget the game.

1124
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: I bet the other side. And he wanted me to

1125
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: wear a tuxedo.

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00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: So if you look at my Twitter avatar, it's me

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00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: wearing a orange tuxedo because I was like, I'm not

1128
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: gonna just go get a tuxedo. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1129
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: do it up dumb and dumber style.

1130
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: So you know, leave it.

1131
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: Up to the verballers whatever they want. You know, I would,

1132
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: by the way, I have Bindi Yaco's, so for all

1133
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: those people who have heard that I prefer a different

1134
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: hot dog place. A buddy of mine who is from

1135
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: the Lehigh Valley, he is a big believer in pots.

1136
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: Pots. We've had this discussion, right, We've talked about pots.

1137
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know what we need

1138
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: to do. I would like something Lehigh Valley related, so

1139
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: you could send me some of the finest cuisine, some

1140
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: some Pirogi's or something like that. But by the way,

1141
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, I know we're in the midst of the

1142
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: never ending pandemic that once, eventually we'll get out of.

1143
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm show in Vegas. Sounds pretty cool

1144
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: to me. I'm just saying you've.

1145
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: Been after us, You've been trying to get us stadium swim.

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00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah you can. I mean, just just take a look

1147
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: at some of those pictures.

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00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 3: All right, all right, well, Tim Murray, it's always a

1149
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 3: pleasure to text with you, to talk college football in

1150
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 3: sports with you, and now to have you on the show.

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: We'll bring you back again sometime soon, one more time.

1152
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: Where can the find folks find you?

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00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, ahead of Wison dot com. If you can listen

1154
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: to us for free podcasts like like the Solid Verbal

1155
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: you can listen to. If you're a night ol, you

1156
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: can listen to me and Sean King. I mean, we

1157
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about my co host, who Letard Legend

1158
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: revolutionized the quarterback position.

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00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: He had over three thousand yards passing and five hundred

1161
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: yards rushing in nineteen ninety eight playing for two lanes.

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00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: So he was kind of ahead of his time, man,

1163
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: and he's great. We chop it up. We have a

1164
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: lot of fun. We go back and forth, you know,

1165
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: we go after each other like you and Dan do.

1166
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: So if you're a night al in the verbalerhood, check

1167
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: us out the iHeart app. You can download our own app.

1168
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: So listen to the audio for free. You don't have

1169
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: to look at my face. It's it's it's hideous souh.

1170
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: But no, U and I told Dan. I told ty

1171
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: folks that we need to figure out a way with

1172
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: these giveaways. Let's get a two lane green wave Sean

1173
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: King helmet giveaway going at.

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01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: You mentioned that all right?

1175
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: Jotted down right now, Tye.

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01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 3: I jotted it down. We'll make it happen. I make

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Speaker 3: it happen. Tim Murray, pleasure. We will talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Take care all right, T see you man.