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Speaker 1: This week's Knuckleheads Classic episode aired on September seventeenth, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and it's not only one of our most popular episodes

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Speaker 1: of all time, but one that is real near and

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Speaker 1: dear to our hearts.

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Speaker 2: Man, we got to sit down with the late great

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Speaker 2: Kobe Mamba.

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Speaker 1: This was a few months before his passing, and Man,

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Speaker 1: he dropped some gems on us that we can never forget.

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Speaker 1: We got to talk to him about his mentality in

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Speaker 1: the league, his legacy, and how he was growing outside

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Speaker 1: of the game, and all of the things that he

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Speaker 1: was doing in his retirement. Black, what do you remember

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Speaker 1: we got to sit down with him, We got to

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Speaker 1: go out there all the way to Newport to his compound,

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Speaker 1: and he welcomed us in. Like what do you remember

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Speaker 1: about that whole visiting sitting down with him?

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Speaker 3: Man, I felt it was dope.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: We got some breakfast earlier that morning, Man to pull

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Speaker 3: it up on him. Man had a great conversation. Remember

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Speaker 3: how excited and how the whole ride on the way

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Speaker 3: back of getting the interview, Man, and that interview just

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Speaker 3: showed Man how much he respected what we were doing.

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Speaker 3: Asked this to have this platform as Knucklehead for Kobe

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Speaker 3: to tell us we're doing something good and wanted to

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Speaker 3: be on our platform, showed us what we were doing

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Speaker 3: was the right thing. And we was putting these stories

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Speaker 3: out for everybody. So for them to represent us and

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Speaker 3: man and try to show us love as being competitors

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Speaker 3: and all that stuff, I thought it was dope. And

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Speaker 3: he's you know, he's the man around them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it was dope.

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Speaker 1: Like that was the basically the one and only time,

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Speaker 1: you know, because we didn't get to ever see him

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Speaker 1: talk to him or do one of any of that

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Speaker 1: stuff that we you know, did with any of the

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Speaker 1: other players, with our peers, our competitors, or any of that.

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Speaker 1: So like, you know, him being the measuring stick, he

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Speaker 1: was the guy doing our era in generation. Like for

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Speaker 1: him to get a chance to sit down and holler

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Speaker 1: at us and chop it up and let us know

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Speaker 1: what he appreciated and he knew what we were doing

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Speaker 1: and he acknowledged it. And like you say, even now,

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Speaker 1: what we were doing with the podcast, for him to

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Speaker 1: show up and represent for us, man, that was crazy,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: And I still got the ball.

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Speaker 1: He signed the book, you know, his book that was

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Speaker 1: coming out that he signed. Still got all that stuff

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Speaker 1: from my kids, man, especially in lieu of everything that happened.

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Speaker 1: That was one of the most special things we've gotten

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Speaker 1: to do here on this pod. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: knowing that it was so close to when everything happened,

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Speaker 1: so rip theing. We miss you, that made your love

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Speaker 1: for you. Everybody miss you. Your impact is unmeasurable. Dog,

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Speaker 1: like so many people trying to replicate and take under

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Speaker 1: that Mamba mentality that you left behind and the way

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Speaker 1: that you approach things was second or nine dollars. So

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Speaker 1: we miss you and love you, bro.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna keep your legs shit going. When you

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Speaker 3: first got to the league and you got to that level,

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Speaker 3: who's the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 4: Uh? First person that got me? Nick van Exwell in practice,

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Speaker 4: Nick the Quick was getting me in practice, and you

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Speaker 4: know you kept saying you reach, I teach you, reach,

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Speaker 4: I teach you. Was hitting me with that little bop

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Speaker 4: stuff and drove me crazy my first my first time

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Speaker 4: getting out there and playing Nick pretty yeah, I got a.

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Speaker 3: Chance played with him in Portland and just his i

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Speaker 3: Q and skill level, the score was like, yeah, next level.

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Speaker 4: He was cracking. You had those big hands and shoes

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Speaker 4: had runners. It took me about a good week to

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Speaker 4: figure out you couldn't go right and then yeah, nigga

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Speaker 4: wore my ass out.

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Speaker 2: Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 1: Season two kicking off, y'all know we came with it

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Speaker 1: this time.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: We got the Mamba mentality. We here on location in

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Speaker 1: the back Cave live from Black Bruce Wayne Manner. We

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Speaker 1: got the mamba mentality. I got the blackest.

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Speaker 2: One with me. Man came through the show major love. Man.

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Speaker 2: We got Coobie with this man.

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Speaker 3: Check us out.

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Speaker 2: It's your boys, q Rich and.

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Speaker 4: D Mails challenging the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Season two and how were thinking of what we do?

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Speaker 3: Like it's just like, how did y'all come up with that?

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Speaker 2: You wanted this thing on?

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Speaker 3: Well, well script, we.

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Speaker 2: Kind of just get into it. You want winning with

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Speaker 2: just one star player. This dude have my shoes on right,

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Speaker 2: He just talking hot mess.

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Speaker 4: We were just young and wanted to prove ourselves and

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Speaker 4: you were in the way.

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Speaker 3: I took a million dollars bro.

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Speaker 4: On the bed, bro cash and cash.

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Speaker 2: You didn't have a millionaire and lay you already know why,

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Speaker 2: Like this is nice.

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Speaker 4: Man bought me some honey, Yeah, it's a great a

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Speaker 4: great field, great field, great field, grea.

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Speaker 3: Lakers, Magic Johns. You grew up on Magic Johnson and

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Speaker 3: you got drafted to Charlotte. And what was your first

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Speaker 3: reaction to hear in Charlotte? Damn you hear the Lakers?

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Speaker 4: Well, like, I knew what was going on. I knew

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Speaker 4: that there was a trade in the works, right, and

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Speaker 4: so when I got drafted, good representation, you know, right,

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Speaker 4: So you know, you get you know, you get drafted,

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Speaker 4: get on the phone with the GM, with the team

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Speaker 4: that drafted you. Also, So I get on the phone

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Speaker 4: with the Charlotte GM and he just tells me, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know what's going on, like yeah, yeah, got me

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Speaker 4: there in front of you and all that, and he goes, well,

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Speaker 4: it's a good thing with trading because you couldn't have

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Speaker 4: used you anyway. Mother. Okay, okay, all right. So that's

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Speaker 4: what happened on draft night. So I was already I

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Speaker 4: was already triggered, and I was triggered. I was ready

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Speaker 4: hood at the gym like fuck the medium.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do I'm trying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what'd you were telling me that?

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Speaker 3: For?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 3: All right, okay, you're going to a team that's they

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Speaker 3: already screaming like, with so much talent on this team,

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Speaker 3: they should be a championship the team. You going to

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Speaker 3: a team straight out of high school, you know, first

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Speaker 3: go whatever to go straight out of high school, and

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Speaker 3: it's pressed. You got Eddie Jones, Nick Van XL Shack,

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Speaker 3: you got all these guys that's in front of you,

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Speaker 3: and you come out with the total confidence of I'm

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Speaker 3: posed to play on this level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, it's the thing, like, it's probably good for

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Speaker 4: me to play against those top players. They were all

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Speaker 4: all stars, right, so playing against them every day in practice,

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Speaker 4: iron shot sharpens iron. The flip side of that is

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Speaker 4: going to a team in which I played immediately right,

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Speaker 4: and all these stuff, you know, individual stuff that people

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Speaker 4: talk about the end of the career, the numbers and

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Speaker 4: all that, all that stuff would be much better. And

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Speaker 4: he's probably hiring a sort of stuff. But going to

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Speaker 4: the Lakers and playing behind Eddie Jones and Nick Fanexwell

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Speaker 4: taught me a lot. Byron Scott was there as a

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Speaker 4: a little bit. Made practices very competitive, and I had

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Speaker 4: a mistake, coaches yanking me out. So understanding what that

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Speaker 4: feels like. Every day in practice, it's got to be

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Speaker 4: And so that's how that raised me.

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Speaker 3: That way, was because I was taught like that too,

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Speaker 3: Like if you want to play and you want to

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Speaker 3: play off during game day, you show it in practice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man, listen, our vets would come to practice and they

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Speaker 4: wouldn't want practice back to back, so just thirty five

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Speaker 4: not our problem. Yeah, we scrimmage right now, you're getting

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Speaker 4: all this get Yeah, we were talking and we would

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Speaker 4: drive them crazy. But you know, we were just young

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Speaker 4: and you know, wanted to prove ourselves. And you were

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Speaker 4: in the way.

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Speaker 3: When you decided to go out of high school, did

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Speaker 3: you think about college? Was it a college that you

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Speaker 3: was going to go to?

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it was tough for me because I went

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Speaker 4: think it through as clearly as I could, right, and

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Speaker 4: like you know, my two top schools were Duke in

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Speaker 4: and coach k had a reputation for letting guys play

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Speaker 4: at the time. Grant Hill was the player that was there,

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Speaker 4: and you know he used to spread the floor. You know,

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Speaker 4: do the same thing with me. And then on the

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Speaker 4: flip side of that, it was Carolina and Dean Smith

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Speaker 4: didn't do that. He did the opposite. He had a system,

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Speaker 4: those were the two teams, and Dean Smith stopped recruiting me.

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Speaker 4: He sent me a letter and said, listen, everybody I

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Speaker 4: talked to seems to think you're gonna go pro. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to waste your time. You know, best of

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Speaker 4: luck if you change your mind. Just know this could

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Speaker 4: be a home for you. They told you he was

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Speaker 4: going to be a lottery It wasn't really sure because

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Speaker 4: I was like the guard to come out of high

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Speaker 4: school hadn't been double before, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: So it was like guards can't do that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: So it was kind of up in the air. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's up in the air.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the difference of when you came in straight

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Speaker 1: out of high school, you went into a league and

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Speaker 1: your team grown men, people got kids, families and all

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Speaker 1: of that, as opposed to now, you know, these guys

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Speaker 1: come in nineteen whatever, They got plenty of guys in

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Speaker 1: the age group. Everybody around them is the same. Like,

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Speaker 1: talk about how different and how different and how difficult

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Speaker 1: that was for you coming in literally at eight team

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Speaker 1: and a real grown man. Like everybody say when you

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Speaker 1: get to the NBA in a grown man's league, but

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Speaker 1: right now it's more of a young man's league than

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Speaker 1: like when you came in, it was a.

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Speaker 2: True grown man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well now it's like college, just that you don't

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Speaker 4: go to classes right level. Yeah, back then it was

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Speaker 4: true grown men. And I think there was positives and

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Speaker 4: negatives to that, Like the negatives that are relate to

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Speaker 4: any of them, And there are certain things that they

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Speaker 4: could do as a team that I couldn't do. You

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Speaker 4: go out to a to a certain club as a

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Speaker 4: team go out to a bar. As a team, I

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Speaker 4: can't go like I legally can't go like us.

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Speaker 2: You know what it was?

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Speaker 4: It was hard and I think that actually I had

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Speaker 4: nothing to do. So what am I gonna do? I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna play basketball, study basketball. So I think that's where

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Speaker 4: now I think about it, some of my behavior originated

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Speaker 4: The kids are our future, and so like, how can

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, learn that confidence. And you had a bunch

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Speaker 3: You know, you put the jersey on it. You know,

440
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 3: he got the right to left cross, so you go hard, right,

441
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 3: you gonna dunk like you kind of go through the

442
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 3: cat agory is a weapons that a person got you

443
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 3: your weapons. I've never seen a shot that you didn't

444
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 3: feel like you couldn't make. And even from the adjustment

445
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 3: of you being athletic to you just got to get

446
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 3: to your spots.

447
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 4: The shot that really matters is a pull up shot

448
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 4: because it all comes back to that, right And so

449
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 4: you can do all these moves beforehand, they don't matter. Eventually,

450
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 4: don't get to a spot, You're gonna raise up and shoot.

451
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 4: So doing that shot thousands of times got me so

452
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 4: comfortable with the shot that I can shoot that shot anytime.

453
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 4: There's nothing you can do about it. If you shoot

454
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 4: a shot thousands of times, I can change the trajectory

455
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 4: anytime I want. I can flatten it out anytime I want.

456
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 4: You can be in my face. It's not gonna make

457
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 4: a difference because it's on auto pilot, you know what

458
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,719
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So like, no matter what happens and transpires here,

459
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 4: whether it's a jab step or a crossover or a

460
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 4: double or done matter because when I get to that

461
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 4: spot and I raise up and shoot, I've done it

462
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 4: thousands of times. That's in the bottom of the barrel,

463
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it all comes down

464
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 4: to that shot.

465
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 3: Before I got to the league, you know, were big

466
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 3: NBA fans, I didn't see you before I got drafted,

467
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 3: being the second best player or argued to be the

468
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 3: best player in the league. You know, I'm definitely a

469
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 3: fan because you straight out of high school. Yeah, you

470
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. We straight out of high school.

471
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 3: When we played our rookie year and then seeing y'all play,

472
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 3: y'all win in that championship that first year, it was

473
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 3: no question in my mind that she was the second

474
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 3: best player. You couldn't really show if you was the

475
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: best player because Shaq was so dominant. It was like,

476
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 3: Shaq beat your team up the whole game, and if

477
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 3: the game is close, Kobe gonna end it. After that year,

478
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 3: I think that was the year after you shot the

479
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: airball in Utah. After that year, what clicked to be, like,

480
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 3: I'm baddest man.

481
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 4: On the planet. How to get stronger like the airballs

482
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 4: in Utah? And just show me a needed strengths. In

483
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 4: high school, you played thirty games, Max, Right, you get

484
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 4: to the league, man, you're playing thirty games before October

485
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 4: come around. Man, it's like and so it wears you down.

486
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 4: So it wasn't I was nervous about the situation or

487
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 4: the shots were off there all right online they were short.

488
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 4: I gotta get stronger, I gotta get stronger, and I'm

489
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 4: looking around I'm looking at Mike, and I'm looking at

490
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 4: Mike's physique strong, right, I'm looking at other guys around

491
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 4: the league. They're not with Treell Spiro is great player,

492
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 4: not strong. Mitch Richmond has a natural base to him,

493
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 4: but I can tell he's not lifting every day. You

494
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 4: can look Mike Is, Scottie Is. The dudes got four

495
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 4: or five championships by now. I need to do that right.

496
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 4: And so that's when I started lifting and started getting

497
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 4: stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger. And that's the

498
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 4: adjustment I made because I had the fundamentals and had

499
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 4: the skill. I learned some things technique wise defensively, but

500
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 4: then I just my physical ability is caught up to

501
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: the skill.

502
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 3: You come off the bench for the Lakers and you

503
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: make the All Star team. You're playing I think it's

504
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden and you're playing against the Bulls. Michael

505
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: Jordan like, that was one of the best All Star

506
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: games I've ever seen in the history of the game.

507
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 3: I want to know how you felt about that moment.

508
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 3: You're going against your idol who's on the other team.

509
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: You're thinking that Eddie Jones and Nick Van next on Shock.

510
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: They automatically Finla make the All Star Game and you

511
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 3: make it too. To be a part of that what's

512
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: that moment?

513
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 4: Like feel it was a huge honor when you see

514
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 4: the boats tallying up and like, wait a minute, I'm

515
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 4: gonna starter on this team. I want to start my

516
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 4: own team, you know, and like it became very serious

517
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 4: to me because I didn't want to make it seem

518
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 4: like I was just some bubblegum player. Yeah, popularity got

519
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 4: me in there. It was like hold on, no, I

520
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 4: can hoop. I want to improve, I belong here sort

521
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 4: of thing.

522
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 2: You know.

523
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 4: The hype of going up against Mike it was, okay,

524
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 4: let's go show me like I've been watching you playing

525
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: my whole life. Show me like I want to see

526
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: this everybody calling you black Jesus and also this like

527
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 4: you have to show me man. And I went out

528
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 4: there and we went head up, and I think his

529
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 4: respect and appreciation for me really grew that day because

530
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 4: you saw on the biggest stage. I didn't shot away

531
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 4: from that confrontation. I look forward to that competition and uh,

532
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: you know George Carr, which you know later in years

533
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: became my motivation. We played against Denvers and never let

534
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 4: them win the playoff series because he didn't play me

535
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 4: the whole fourth quarter of that game.

536
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.

537
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: Beat.

538
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: Me and Mike went at it, you know, for three quarters,

539
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 4: and then in the fourth quarter the crowds waiting for

540
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 4: me to get back in there. He benches me the

541
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: whole fourth and it was like, okay, I see it's

542
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 4: on site. When we played the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs,

543
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 4: it was like, hold on, yo, you're never you will

544
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: never beat me in the playoff series.

545
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: Got you to blame for this? Yeah, it's not all

546
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: the ways. It's y'all is his father.

547
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 4: I was so pissed.

548
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: I always respected.

549
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: That you came in as a rook and you know,

550
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: as a big name superstar rug type, and you jumped

551
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: into the dunk contest you.

552
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: Wanted, did your thing.

553
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: What do you think about some of the superstars nowadays?

554
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: It's not being in because you know, like you like up.

555
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: We grew up watching Jordan's Dominantly the greats was the

556
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: ones that were putting on the show. And I'm not

557
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: saying that I don't want to see some of these

558
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: other boys, because nowadays some of these other boys got

559
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: crazy hows too, But I would like to see our

560
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: super superstars. If you one of those crazy athletes, forget

561
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: about all that your brand or I don't want to lose.

562
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: They go put on a show like Aaron Gordon Levine did,

563
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: like how MJ and that if you a superstar you

564
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: got bounced, go do it.

565
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

566
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: No, I agree, And I think the All Star Game

567
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: in general needs a little bit vamping because it used

568
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 4: to be competitive, used to be competitive, and like fans

569
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 4: want to see the best pickup game in the world.

570
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 4: That's what this is. They don't want to see you

571
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 4: running up and down and dunking and doing all this

572
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 4: crazy like they want to see what happens when you

573
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 4: get these collection of best basketball players on the planet

574
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 4: and they play and they go head up against each other. Man,

575
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys played harder right to pick up

576
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: game in U c l A. It ain't billions of

577
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: people watching, really, do you know what I'm saying? So,

578
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 4: I mean the All Star Game needs a little needs

579
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: a little changing. Always love competing in them. I didn't

580
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: lose many of them. All the time you took we win,

581
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 4: Like I don't think me and CP and we played together.

582
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: I don't think we've ever lost a game. And we

583
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 4: used to look at each other and say, Okay, they

584
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 4: don't want to play, we're gonna fourth quarter, let's go

585
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 4: get them.

586
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, ask you just pick up basketball. Devin Booker said,

587
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: you don't post the double team doing pick up basketball,

588
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: but the competition we used to have two courts. If

589
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 3: you're killing our team and we want to stay on

590
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: the winning court, we're gonna get the ball out your hands.

591
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: But he should be happy. I feel that you can

592
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: double team on on TV and off TV. That means

593
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: that you're so special. You playing pickup was people double

594
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: team and you doing yeah?

595
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: And what you what you do you think about? Like

596
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: say you got to send another one another one?

597
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: Man, you're like the timing to send another one.

598
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like you know, I understand what Booker saying though,

599
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: because in the summertime, you're working on a particular skill set,

600
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: and so when you're in an iceolate situation, you want

601
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 4: to try the things that you've been working on in

602
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 4: the gym. Right when doubles coming, you don't have time

603
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 4: to do that. At the same time they're going double

604
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: team in the season anyway, right, you got to figure

605
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 4: out how to get around that, how to manipulate those

606
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: those those double seasons, you get the practice against what

607
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: you're really going to s Yeah, yeah, you get a

608
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: chance to measure it where those passing angles or you

609
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: know what, I want to send this guy a message

610
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 4: because I'm gonna be playing against him in the season anyway,

611
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: whether it's Ricky Davis in the summer time, we're playing

612
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: against each other, the double teams, coming playing against the

613
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 4: regular season, all the stuff. It gives me bragging rights.

614
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: It's like, you can pick up basketball. You need a

615
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: double team right now, and the double team was wasn't sufficient.

616
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 4: You got to send three motherfuckers out here in summertime.

617
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: Pick you know if you want to have the game

618
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 3: or you're gonna get your ass kicked.

619
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: It's just it's just more of an ability to kind

620
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: of trash talk a little bit. Yeah, you know, I

621
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 4: always viewed as a competition.

622
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: When Shakla, it's like you couldn't wait to show everything, Yeah,

623
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: everything that you got, Like you went on a tear

624
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: with the forty points in the row to eighty one,

625
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: like them three four years or whatever. The reason I

626
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: ranked certain players that I ranked higher than others is

627
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: be like, how many years did you dominate the game

628
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: out of a ten year span? If you got four

629
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: five years, damn the six years of you being the

630
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: best player, evidently you the best player of that generation.

631
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: But like you went on a tear for four or

632
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: five years straight of just domination. And this is when

633
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: you didn't have a field, you didn't have Shock. What

634
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: was was it something that you was trying to prove

635
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: or what it was?

636
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: Like? Yeah, because you know, here's the thing. When I

637
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: was playing, you know, we get chastised a lot for

638
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: being selfish, saying we just got to fit into a team.

639
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: It's about winning championships. Okay, well I get it. I'm

640
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: doing it right, run three straight, Okay, I got it.

641
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: But I also knew that when my career is over

642
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: they're going to chastise me for the same thing and saying, oh, well,

643
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: you're only great because you play with Shack, And I'm like,

644
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: well hold up, you can't have it both ways, bro,

645
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: Like you know, so it was important for me to

646
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: in Shock to go separate ways because I didn't want

647
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: people to use that again. They still do, but it

648
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 4: was important that I win championships without them. And you

649
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 4: get a glimpse of what I could have done individually

650
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 4: had I not played with see what I'm saying. So

651
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: that was a big driving factor. It's like, hold on,

652
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 4: don't get it fucked up now, Like, yeah, I'm doing

653
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: this thing. I'm playing with Shaq, and it's like Mike

654
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 4: put them with Wilt Shack was a force in nature, right,

655
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: So you got to kind of take it back seat.

656
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: You got to take it.

657
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 4: But once that governor's off, it's like hold on now, Yeah.

658
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: Twenty four eight. I know number eight, Kobe Bryant. Everybody

659
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: in the world is stuck on that and just all

660
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: of a sudden that you decided to revamp yourself and

661
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: turn the twenty four. Why the number twenty four? About

662
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: all the numbers that you could have.

663
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: Chose a couple of things. Twenty four is the first

664
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: number award in high school. My freshman year, I was

665
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 4: number twenty four MM And then philosophically, for me, it

666
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: carried the significance because it was about approaching every day

667
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 4: as if it was my last. And I had to

668
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: have that mentality because it ships shocks going. I have

669
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: to drive this team every day. You know, there's no

670
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 4: days off you come in practice, we're going right. And

671
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: so every time I look at that number, it's like,

672
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: today's the most important day. Yeah, today's the day. Right,

673
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: It's one day. That's it, right, And that helped me,

674
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: you know, stay locked in.

675
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: The the triangle offense. When I got to the league,

676
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: I knew y'all played like I felt like if I

677
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: got traded to the Lakers, I already know the play, right,

678
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: It's one play. Y'all got a couple of side out of,

679
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: but y'all run this one play in today's era, today

680
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: kids play. Yeah, you think the triangle will work in this.

681
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: You have the right people to teach it.

682
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because y'all slow the game you had to play

683
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: at y'all, no matter how.

684
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: Can be sped up to right. So it conforms to

685
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: the talent that you have. My thirteen year old daughters

686
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: team runs a triangle right. But it's like the thing

687
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 4: about the triangle offenses makes it so deadly is that

688
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: it gives you a structure, and within that structure you

689
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 4: have complete freedom. And so even though defensively you know

690
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: what it is the sequence that we're executing, we have

691
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: counters to it, counter to everything, and we all know them.

692
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: It's hard to beat that, right because we can feel

693
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: can start out and say we want to run center opposite.

694
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 4: That's the sequence we want to start with. But now

695
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 4: if you deny the wing on that center opposite, that

696
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: plays off. Now we have counters that come around.

697
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: Now.

698
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: I used to hate when Robert or used to come

699
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: up to the free throw line, grab the ball and

700
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: you back cut. Yeah, every time.

701
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: It's the back door step right. So like, but that

702
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: helped me game plan. So like these players now play

703
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: accidental basket. It drives me and feel crazy because it's

704
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 4: all penetrating pitch. You may make the shot, you may not.

705
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: You have no idea who's going to be open or whatever.

706
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 4: It's accidental basketball. We played basketball with purpose. If I

707
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: got the ball, if Derek Fish is on the wing,

708
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: I'm at the top. I know by skyt reports that

709
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 4: you guys like to deny the top. All right, cool,

710
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: now the top. I'll move up a little bit more.

711
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: Drag you out here comes or stepping in the hole.

712
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: Catch it here, I go back door. There's the drop off.

713
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: I go right.

714
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: So it's playing those sequences and understanding what the defense

715
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: is going to do. Again. So that made them dangerous.

716
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: That's why Chicago was so dangerous because they knew how

717
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: Utah was going to play these actions and then they all,

718
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 4: all five of them, took advantage of.

719
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 3: And they always keep you with space and always all

720
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: the time you left over each other.

721
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: Always they were really big on you know, having ten

722
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: to fifteen foot spacing.

723
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Always coming into it.

724
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: I felt like I was a offensive score, right, you know,

725
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: in high school coming I was a score. But then

726
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: you look at dudes like you, I don't know, what

727
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: is the mentality that when you get all right, you

728
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: got to you at thirty? What makes in your mind

729
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: when you got thirty, most people like all right, cool,

730
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: like I'm going forty, now, going fifty, now, I'm going

731
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: sixty now, I'm going what is happening in.

732
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: Your tough process to it? Because like at some.

733
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: Point, I know you tired because because people don't understand

734
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: square buckets like that that take energy. So how do

735
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: you continue to just go? Because I was in New

736
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: York when you got the sixty And God bless my

737
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: young boy Wilson Chandler. He recovered. He is good, you

738
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: know what, his life and his carel He's still playing

739
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: now so you know, he made it through that.

740
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: But I'm sitting here.

741
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Watching it and I'm like, yo, he's not stopping. He

742
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: don't look like he want to stop. He still want

743
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: to get one hundred if he can. Where does that

744
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: mentality come from? Where you see most guys thirty forty

745
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: and they kind of chill out, like all right, I

746
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: got this.

747
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: No, it's a competition, and my mission is to destroy you,

748
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 4: not you know, I mean like I don't say it,

749
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: you know, like saying I'm not stopping at thirty, like

750
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: I keep going until you figure out something else to do,

751
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: Like I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep going, you know.

752
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: And like that New York game, I knew d'An Toni's

753
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 4: philosophies are never the double guy that's hot, because he

754
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: always thinks they're gonna cool off eventually, right, So I

755
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: understood that. So once I got rolling, I knew that

756
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: was gonna be the case. But then watching film leading

757
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: into the game, I knew Wilson. I knew he was

758
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: just gonna play sound defense. He wasn't gonna gamble, he

759
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna try to block a shot. He wasn't you know,

760
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: he's gonna try to play good position defense, so I

761
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 4: knew I could get a good look. So from that standpoint,

762
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: I said, I just gotta take my time, be on balance,

763
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 4: knock him down.

764
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: I was.

765
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, at some point when he catched

766
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: the ball, you gotta put him in the first row,

767
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: put him right in Spike Lee's spike over there pumping

768
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: them up. He talking and my boy ain't saying nothing.

769
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: He decided being a good young boy, gonna play hard.

770
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: Spike Lee over here getting them going, like how you

771
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: gonna talk to this man?

772
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: You ain't gotta check him.

773
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: Curious like them, you.

774
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: Got it, this man shooting and looking his spikes downing

775
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: at him, just running back.

776
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm just like, bro, this is not that.

777
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: That was one of those zone moments, man, where like

778
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: things happened. It just led to that big moment. But

779
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 4: like Andrew bying them, we just lost the game before

780
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: you got an injury against Memphis, right, and so I'm like,

781
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: we just lost to the Celtics in eight. We think

782
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: we got Andrew. It's gonna make a big difference for us.

783
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: Now he goes down, how long it's gonna be out

784
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: for the team. Was a little deflated. I was pissed off,

785
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because it's like, no, we're

786
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: winning the championship, it should come hell of hoigh water.

787
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: And my guys were down and going into a New

788
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: York big game. I said, all right, I got to

789
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: send the message to my guys and said, no, listen,

790
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 4: we're doing this. I understand it's hard you went down,

791
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: but damn it, we're getting it done. So it's important

792
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 4: to get into that mind frame of no, nothing matters,

793
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 4: and I want to talk to nobody. I don't want

794
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: to see no celebrities on the sideline. Don't dat me,

795
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 4: don't say hi to me. I don't care about none

796
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: of y'all. To night, you just focused.

797
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: That was it was that Also, you was coming into

798
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: the garden and everybody loved to play well in the

799
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: Madison Square.

800
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: Not that game, know that game. It was bigger than that,

801
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: Like it was about us winning the championship. Like my

802
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 4: guys were deflated and it was like, no, we're going

803
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: we're getting it done. I understand, and it sucks, but

804
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 4: we got to keep on moving. And I had to

805
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: find that space. I didn't go out to dinner in

806
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: New York. I stayed in my room. This is actually

807
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: the story Rob told that he got confused about the

808
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 4: Heath Ledger stuff because I stayed up watching Batman and

809
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: watching Heath Fledger, and then I went and start researching

810
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 4: about Heath Fledger and how he got in the character

811
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 4: and how he just became became all consuming. It's like

812
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: that inspired me to go into my garden mode where

813
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 4: I go in there. I don't want to say how

814
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: to the jan I don't want to say how to

815
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 4: these people. I don't want to talk to nobody or

816
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: everybody leave me alone like that.

817
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: Ever since I seen highlights of you in high school

818
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: all the way up to the end of your career,

819
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: you've always been an aggressive God who installed aggression in

820
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: you to I don't know, compete the way you compete.

821
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: I don't know. I watched my my daughter Gianna, and

822
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: she's aggressive as hell.

823
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: I see she got the face like like she got

824
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: the face everything.

825
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: She's aggressive. Yeah, you know, it's not something that we

826
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 4: taught her how to be. She's just naturally aggressive, got it. Yeah,

827
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 4: So you just say it's always kind of a temperamental

828
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 4: and you know, and I grew up in a competitive household,

829
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 4: and my cousins were all competitive when we competed everything

830
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 4: trash talk and everything, So that kind of added to

831
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 4: the fightiness of it a little bit.

832
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: To see your daughter fall in love with the same

833
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 3: ball that you fell in love with, how that makes

834
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: you feel it's a culture with that pass to help

835
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: her out, to give her the jewels for like have

836
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: a passion for like cave about it.

837
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 4: It's a great feeling. But you know it would have

838
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 4: been the same if it was anything else, as long

839
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: as he got the passion for it. That's the hardest

840
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 4: thing is trying to find something that your kids are

841
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 4: passionate about. Like my eldest loves film. Yeah she loves

842
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: volleyball too, but really loves film. And you know Gianna

843
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: loves basketball. All right, cool, I know basketball I can

844
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: teach you. So it's awesome because it's like a blank canvas.

845
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: When they first taught started two years ago. So I

846
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: started teaching them all the footwork. It took me twenty

847
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: years to learn. I'm teaching them that at eleven, you know,

848
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 4: so now at thirteen, I mean they're fadeaways, they're up

849
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 4: and unders, their their spin moves, their balance like their

850
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: footwork is really really sharp because it's like a blank

851
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: canvas and it's fun to watch them figure it out,

852
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 4: you know, to watch them learn and.

853
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: Like you ever think you would coach?

854
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: Nah, I didn't. My kids would ever play basketball.

855
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was saying, Like I was, my

856
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: kids can do anything. Anything you want to do. I'm

857
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 3: a supporter. Yeah, but when you choose the one thing

858
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: that I fell in love with, it's like it's it's

859
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 3: still a special.

860
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: Seeing to me.

861
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: Like baby, little this No, I give you everything you need.

862
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: It's exciting and like you get a chance to go

863
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 4: back and like go through the basics all over again. Right, So,

864
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: like I write practice plans every day and it's like

865
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: a six year plan and we're in year two right now.

866
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: So you can patiently teach them every little aspect, right,

867
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: teach them how to use screens, teach them how to

868
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 4: be patient, teach them how to anticipate on defense, like

869
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: all those little balance and all that little stuff. It's

870
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 4: it's awesome, man, it's awesome.

871
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: That man got it all mapped up.

872
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: So I want you to take a second and talk

873
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: to me about the legacy and the queen and how

874
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: this came about.

875
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: I like the whole the tennis.

876
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: I feel with the like this is something as a

877
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: kid you get excited about the color, and this is

878
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: like when I would buy the TV.

879
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: You know, we buying Nolan, Like, look.

880
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: At the mass that's right.

881
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: This is like in comparison, because this is not your

882
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 2: normal book.

883
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: You gotta feel and texture and sparkles and then it

884
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: still got the tennis racket.

885
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 2: So talk about how you came up with this.

886
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: Well, we wanted to create something for children that you know,

887
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: they feel that they're important. A lot of times in

888
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: the children's space, be kind of dumb stuff down, the

889
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 4: materials down because it's for children. They're not going to

890
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 4: tell the difference. But I feel like if you create

891
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: something that's high in value, they understand that it's being

892
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: cared for. That means that they matter and they do

893
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: right for parents as well. Look at this and you

894
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: put this book up and you can and feel that

895
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 4: there's been a lot of care put into it. You

896
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 4: may not understand all the hidden gems that are in

897
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 4: this book, yeah, but you can feel them, so you

898
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: understand this is a studio that we can trust. And

899
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: then for the story itself, It's about how do we

900
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: teach kids how to handle the inner monologue, the emotional

901
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: things that we experience. How do we teach them that,

902
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: Which is why I had to be tennis, because tennis

903
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 4: is such an individual sport are but different than golf.

904
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 4: Golf you're dealing with the elements and yourself, and tennis

905
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 4: you're dealing with yourself, the elements and that person across

906
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: the net from you trying to beat you. Right, So

907
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: you got to have those inner conversations, navigate those while

908
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: competing with somebody else that's across the net from you.

909
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 4: The story behind it? What inspired you to do that story? Well,

910
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: the way I look at it, inspiration drives the world.

911
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 4: So if I'm looking at the kingdoms and the worlds

912
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: that we create, inspiration is what decides who's going to

913
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: be the ruler of these particular worlds. All right, So

914
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: then how you inspire? You can inspire a myriad of ways.

915
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: You can inspire through love, right, you can inspire through fear, right, hatred,

916
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 4: There's a lot of ways to inspire. And so how

917
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: these athletes in the world using their platform to inspire, right,

918
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 4: And that's where the conflict ensues and all our stories.

919
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: I know what I want to ask you. Now, you

920
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: know you like Bruce Wayne, Now you got and stuff

921
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: like that. But I want to know, like all of us,

922
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: when you first got in the lid, you got some

923
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: bread in your pocket, what did you do to somewhere?

924
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Your mom or your dad looked at.

925
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: You, like, what's the hell? We all did something?

926
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, nothing like that, but like the

927
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: first thing I did, Like when I came out here

928
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: and I got something dim. I just want to go

929
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: somewhere like in Philadelphia. Everything's relatively close, you know what.

930
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 4: I'm staying in Santa Monica. And so I get a taxi,

931
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 4: YO call it yellow Pages. Get a taxi. Kids don't

932
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: know what that is, right, And I get in the

933
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 4: cab and I say, well, take me to a mall,

934
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: take Moss. He takes me to the Beverly Center. Right now,

935
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: I had eighty bucks in my pocket, but for them money,

936
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: the taxi cab ride was like sixty five.

937
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: I don't get bad.

938
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 4: What the hell the hell's going on right now?

939
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: Man? Like I didn't, I didn't, you know.

940
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 4: So I'm walking around them all with fifteen bucks in

941
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: my pocket, not knowing who the hell what anything was

942
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 4: or whatever. It's Jerry's Delhi across the street. I'm hungry.

943
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: I want a sandwich. I look at the menu of

944
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: sandwiches like six bucks. I'm like, yo, I can't this

945
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: is that man, Yeah, this is crazy. This is absolutely crazy.

946
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 4: So I got I got a cab driver to give

947
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 4: me your ride back and good faith that I was

948
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 4: going to go up to the room and find some

949
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: more money somewhere and pay him.

950
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: Wow, Andrew Luck just retired. Yeah, he was saying it

951
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: was a mental drain on him with the injuries. I

952
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 3: kind of feel that because eight of my ten years

953
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: it was a mental drain every day with the injuries.

954
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: You had, injury after injury after injury. You played with

955
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: a broken finger the whole year. All that just describe to,

956
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: like other athletes, to focus and how you got to

957
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: kind of compete with yourself to get yourself back on

958
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: the level to steady go. I know, we all go

959
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: to our pain and stuff and it's the hardest thing

960
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: you can do because it's so easy to give up.

961
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really hard, man, because it's such a tedious process.

962
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: And what I found helpful is to not look at

963
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 4: the top of the mountain because the mountain is so

964
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: damn daunting, you know. It's like, so instead, I just

965
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: choose to focus on one step by the time, and

966
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: then by the time you realize, you at the top

967
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 4: of the mountain again. And that's how I handle all

968
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: my recoveries. It's just focus on the next thing, Focus

969
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 4: on the next thing, focus on the next thing. And also,

970
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 4: you know how time flies. Time goes by really fast.

971
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: So like when you're sitting here at the moment, deal

972
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 4: with the injury. That's a nine month injury.

973
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: I can't do that, But.

974
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 4: When twelve months go by, you don't wish she did,

975
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 4: because it goes by.

976
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 3: Like that, you know what I'm saying.

977
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: So that's always been my approach. It's just one step

978
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 4: at a time, one step at a time. And I

979
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 4: didn't want the injuries dictating when I retire. I wanted

980
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 4: to control last It's like, no, my body, sit down,

981
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 4: be humble. You're not you're not telling me when I'm

982
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: walking away. I'm gonna tell you when I'm ready to go.

983
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: Man, you know, appreciate you coming on the show. Man

984
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Speaker 2: and sponsors of Hennessy B S O P. They got

985
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Speaker 2: a special body that's what's up. You know. That's what's up.

986
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Speaker 2: The Kobe Bryant Nuckley here, that's what's up. Man, appreciate it.

987
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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

988
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put this the good use, you know.

989
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a rout man. We out here on

990
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Speaker 1: location in the in the Black, Bruce Wayne's Private studios

991
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Speaker 1: and the secret location in Caligora. We definitely appreciate you

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Speaker 1: dog coming any time that's comes through and rock with

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994
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. This this this top three

995
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