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Speaker 1: today's show. Super excited. My home girl is here and

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Speaker 1: neighbor on the show today celebrity makeup artist Joanna Simpkin. Hey, oh,

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Speaker 1: and this is my Kathleen Turner voice. Yes, neighbor, so

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Speaker 1: forcing it. And they'll be like moments, whether it's like

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Speaker 1: on Twitter or missteps where I'm like, I don't even

427
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: I couldn't even see myself making that kind of misstep

428
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: because it's just not naturally. And then it makes one

429
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: moderate pandering. There's a lot of pandering, and the missteps

430
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: make it so obvious because I'm like, you could have

431
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: you didn't even like you just showed your whole hand

432
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: when you said that, Like I would never even say

433
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: what you just said, you know what I mean, Like,

434
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Speaker 1: why would you like the fact that that even came

435
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: into your mind? Is you know what I mean? And

436
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: it's like it's kind of funny how because I think

437
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, like people of all,

438
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,199
Speaker 1: like non white communities since the dawn of time. I've

439
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: seen all the appropriation that happens to their cultures, but

440
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't really necessarily like chargeable in a tangible way

441
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: until like black Twitter arrived on the scene. You know,

442
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: Like I feel like when when social media came into play,

443
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 1: we were actually really able to see like, oh ship,

444
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: like people are really creating the next thing based on

445
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: the movement. Even if you look at like what happened,

446
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: what just happened with Popeyes? Did you spy B y

447
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: O B right now? Bring? They said, yo, if you

448
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: want to sayd we we're not making a sandwich right now,

449
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: but you could bring your own buon. We have mayonnaise

450
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: and pickles. It's just three tenders. Got They were like, lax,

451
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: that's literally like that's pop Eye's tweets today, B y

452
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: O B bring your own button. You can make your

453
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: own sandwich, you guys. I was like this, but even

454
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 1: just like the way, like the way the fast food

455
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: companies tweet at each other, it's like black it's black Twitter.

456
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: It's amazing. By the way, if you're not part of

457
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: like Twitter, why are you on Twitter? Then? I was like,

458
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: have you ever like accidentally gone down a weird rabbit?

459
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: Hole off like a political retweet and seemed like this,

460
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: do you know that there's Twitter that exists outside of

461
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: black Twitter? What a miserable place. It's such a miserable place.

462
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: I'm like, are using Twitter four and it's so funny

463
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: like what people will use their time for. Because I remember,

464
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: like I I've actually stopped tweeting for the most part,

465
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't tweet. I do on Facebook, Instagram

466
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: and just kind of my jam. Um, like like last year,

467
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: I was doing like the social media dtalk. So I

468
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: deleted everything off my phone and then like four weeks

469
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: later I realized that I had never put Twitter back on,

470
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: and then I just kind of stopped using it. Um. Also,

471
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: Twitter is a lot less fun since election. Let's keep

472
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: it an. So I was just gonna say, like I

473
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: used to be, like after the seen election, Like there

474
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: was a moment of time where I was just like

475
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: I I was just so so rabbit holy with politics right,

476
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: like it was actually making me sick because I was

477
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: just so shocked and devastated at the outcome, and I

478
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: had like you know, so I was constantly tweeting about

479
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: Trump and I was constantly adding him and being like

480
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: you ain't ship by the way, shot to Insecure writer

481
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: and starting Natasha Ratwa, who faithfully every day still tweets

482
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: to remind Donald Trump that he's not shipped every single

483
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: day and some form of words yea by the way,

484
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: like every single that. It's like, it's amazing, dude and

485
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: his like minions came for me and they started leaving

486
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: like bad book reviews on my Amazon and like all

487
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I was like, when a time are

488
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: you awful? People? Imagine having that kind of time and

489
00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: and and just that kind of passion behind something like that,

490
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: like behind another person disagreeing. It's just very Yeah, it's

491
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: just the election. We could do a whole podcast about

492
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: the election and that we Yeah, it's we are in

493
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: a weird time, guys. But anyway, the whole point is

494
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: black Twitter is everything. And I want to talk about

495
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: our origin story a little bit. I have a few

496
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: little twists and turns I want to take this conversation.

497
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: But so I want to talk about how we met.

498
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: Like I think I know we met in like two

499
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, um, and I think before that, like

500
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: Instagram was just starting to people were just kind of

501
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: starting to Instagram like you'd get maybe like ten likes

502
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: on your picture and be like, oh, wow, ten people

503
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: saw this double diges now. Um. But I remember at

504
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: that time, like Twitter was heavy. I used to be

505
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: super heavy on Twitter, and so I knew that we

506
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: had never met you. You were living in New York.

507
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: I knew that we had like a lot of mutual

508
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: so I had seen your name, and you know, I

509
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: had seen some of your content. I was like, oh,

510
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: she seems so cool. And then at that time, I

511
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: was I was working with Sway on series x M,

512
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: and we were about to shoot a spread in the

513
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: Source magazine. I could remember launched the show like I

514
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: was the original co host of the show, and so

515
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: we were doing like a lot of press about it

516
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: and a lot of different cool stuff, and I remember

517
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: I hit, uh, my girl Vanessa Vanessa was on the show.

518
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: Vanessa was how Vanessa was who referred to you. Yeah,

519
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: that's how we know that Vanessa Vanessa. I need a

520
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: makeup artist, like we're going to shoot something in the morning,

521
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what to do, and she was like, okay,

522
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: I got you. Let me get my girl Joanna. And

523
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: then I remember you came in the studio and we

524
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: were like interviewing ice Cube that day, and in between

525
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: interview and ice Cube, like when we go to music,

526
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: you would do my makeup, like you would run up

527
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: and do my makeup, and we just like super hit

528
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: it off, and so much so that after I got

529
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: off work, like you came with me to my house

530
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: that same day. Gosh, yeah, we yeah, we we connected.

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00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: Also by the way, Sway used to be on the

532
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: radio in the Bay so there's like that other weird

533
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Bay Area connection we have. Okay, such a national treasure,

534
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: but yeah, what a living legend. Yeah, yeah, that is

535
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: so funny. And then we went to I remember I

536
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: still remember your apartment. Oh my gosh, I loved it.

537
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: We looked in that building too for a minute, and

538
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I can't live into fire.

539
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: But that location was not the wave for relaxing. It

540
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: was expensive at the time, but the has gone up,

541
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: Like my last trip to New York, like I went by,

542
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'll still go by and say what's up

543
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: to like the doorman at the building or the bodega

544
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: order next door, which he still remembered me. So now

545
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: it's like my pilgrimage every New York trip is to

546
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: go say hi to him something like yeah, the best,

547
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: like New York's the best, that's the best New York special.

548
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: But how like the rent went up like legitimately, like yeah,

549
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: I was insane and I was like, oh I could

550
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: I And it's still be living here if I'm afford this.

551
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: By the way, we were living in Williamsburg, I couldn't

552
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: even be. They put up new buildings all around us,

553
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: and when I saw the rent, I was like, who

554
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: actually can afford to live here? And the buildings would

555
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: like fill up. I'm like watching Refinery twenty nines um

556
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: where I live for how much like I g t

557
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: v s they do. I loveing sess and so they

558
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: highlight different people and what their apartments look like, like

559
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: fort d dollars a month, this is where I live

560
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: for three thousand dollars a month. This is where I live.

561
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: And it goes everywhere. So you have like people in

562
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: the Midwest, California and New York and you just see

563
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: like the differences, like the person in New York I

564
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: pay twelve thousand dollars a month and they're in a

565
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: closet and you're like, oh, nothing make you more upset

566
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: than watching like House Hunters or like Flip or Flop

567
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: or that are listed, or it was me the couch

568
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: and HDTV dude all day. I just got my nails

569
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: on and they had Fixer Upern and someone about a

570
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: was for ninety tho dollars and they had total all

571
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: in budgets for three dollars. With the renovation, they got

572
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: this like five bedroom masterpiece ranch. I was like, but

573
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, but then, like you have to live in Waco, Texas.

574
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: They're all in like Waco or like College Station, and

575
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't like football that much. You're like, alright, right

576
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: right now, I can't have that house in Hollywood. Okay.

577
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: I want to talk about like your journey into being

578
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: a makeup artist, because I think now especially to like

579
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: makeup has become such a phenomenon in our world, like

580
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: especially with like YouTube and Instagram, and like you have

581
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: all of these like rising stars and all of these

582
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: like styles that didn't exist ten years ago that people

583
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: are rocking, like the heavy contour, or they existed, but

584
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: they existed in like a lesser like a more subtle

585
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: in smaller in niche areas, like when you would go

586
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: to like an amazing drag show you would see like

587
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: makeup at this level things like that, and that has

588
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: really crossed over to a mainstream look like everyday look

589
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: and everyday look. Yeah, which is an interesting switch because

590
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: I feel like for years, makeup has been marketed as

591
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, enhancing, not transforming, and now makeup is being

592
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: marketed as transforming rather than It's interesting because I feel

593
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: like everything right now is being marketing as transforming from

594
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: and and literally on every level, like on a physical level,

595
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: like you'll have one end of the spectrum transform through

596
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: the fitness craze or on the other end of the

597
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: spectrum transformed through surgery. Then you have like transform your soul,

598
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: transform your mind. Like everything right now, everything is being

599
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: marketed is like how you are is not right, and

600
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: so like that's a much deeper, bigger issue. Um so

601
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: when you yea, when you so you let me, let's

602
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: start with your origin story, because you actually worked in

603
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: advertising before you even got into makeup, and makeup was

604
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: your second career and like, right now, I talk about

605
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: that a lot because I'm on kind of myself career,

606
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, I think a lot of

607
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: people but you're merging them beautifully right now. You know

608
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: she's wearing like evil eyes, but she has like the

609
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: microphone in front of her. It's very old dev and

610
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: new dev. Yes, that's my goal is to like intersect

611
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: the two. I mean I think, yeah, like I think

612
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: every part of you contribute to who you are now. Yeah.

613
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: So I worked, Um, I did marketing and PR for

614
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: a beauty brand, so it was always beauty for Carol's daughter.

615
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: Again shout to major black girl magic very organically. Um

616
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: and I think also probably on that note, learning how

617
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: to do marketing and PR through that lens of black

618
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: girl magic. Before black girl Magic hashtag like was even

619
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: like saying you know what I mean, Like we sort

620
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: of like set that tone for it in like literally

621
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: like two thousand five with like Jada and Mary and

622
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: then like Beyonce and Jay invested, and it was like

623
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: it was just like a big thing. We were like,

624
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Lisa was into Lisa Price, who

625
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: is Carol's daughter. You know, she was into her natural

626
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: hair way before like natural hair was a thing, you

627
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. People would come to her when

628
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: they were like I'm transitioning before like transitioning was even

629
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: like a word you know what I mean. They're like

630
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: where you had like the numbers and the curl type,

631
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: and it was just like when you just want to

632
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: like you were like I think I don't want to

633
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: relax my hair anymore, and you would go knock on

634
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: Lisa's Brownstone door and she would like whip you up

635
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: something to get your curls in order like that. I mean,

636
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: so like, yeah, the origins of like a lot of

637
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: pop and Black Girl Magic. We could definitely like shout

638
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: out Lisa Price just for kind of like you know,

639
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: pushing the like love your natural hair early. Um So

640
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: for me coming in and learning, so it was like

641
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: a twofold, it was her, and then it was Steve Stout,

642
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: who is we all like a master marketer? Um so

643
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: to like learn marketing and advertising from somebody like him,

644
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: centered around you know, for lack of a better word

645
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: that didn't exist at that time, Black girl Magic. It

646
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: almost created this like perfect storm I think for me

647
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: and just naturally how I'd grown up and noing so

648
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: many beautiful black women and just kind of always feeling

649
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: like black women were so like the skin, the hair,

650
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Like when I was young, I just remember like the

651
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: women that I looked at, like loved Halle Berry when

652
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: I was young, I was like, why don't I look

653
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: like her? Not like some random blonde cover girl, you

654
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So I think like just sort

655
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: of having this real appreciation for the beauty of black women, um,

656
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: mixed with understanding respect and and you know, a deeper

657
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: story of like this is why our hair is such

658
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: a big deal. This is why you know anything like

659
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: this is this is why this stereotype exists that we

660
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: don't like to swim because we don't want to get

661
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: our hair. Like learning all those things from like that

662
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: business side of it and and sort of like learning

663
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: how to speak to that need. I think gave me

664
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: also like a unique path to sort of when I

665
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: did vera off and do makeup, um, to just sort

666
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: of like understanding the needs of black girl magic, do

667
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like the things that like

668
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: black women weren't being served in beauty um to make

669
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: them feel beautiful, Like we talked about like the magazine covers,

670
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: like the lighting is not right and you, I mean,

671
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: we know this story a million times over, Like there's

672
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: no foundation colors for us, there's no you I could

673
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: look at your range right now and know that my

674
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: color doesn't exist, and you know, there's like a whole

675
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: bunch of like issues with beauty still, where like you

676
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: need to sell multiple colors because there are naturally multiple

677
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: tones and brown women's faces that are not in lighter

678
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: women's faces, and um, to just sort of understand that

679
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: and to to see that and to know how to

680
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: enhance that. I think all those things kind of snowball

681
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: so that when I left Carol' daughter, I decided I

682
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: wanted to move to l a UM and I was like,

683
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get another job. I want to

684
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: just do makeup. I really love it. I've been doing

685
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: stuff on the side. And how did you How did

686
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: you come to love doing makeup? And how did you

687
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: start that process? Was that something that like the sparks

688
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: of that passion existed in your childhood? I loved it.

689
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: It's so funny. My oldest friend in the world that

690
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: I've known since I'm two years old, she's like nature girl,

691
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: like you know, northern California, crunchy, like she doesn't wear

692
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: any makeup. Her aunt always was like really lamb, like

693
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: she was always be in the bathroom like doing makeup

694
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: and I've known this girl since I too, Like we

695
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: would spend the night and her aunts that we would

696
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, we would just get shuttled around like between

697
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: all our families. I was like, she's this girls like

698
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: my sister. It's so funny. My best friend just mentioned me.

699
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: She's like, I just remember you would like sit in

700
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: the bathroom and like watch my aunt do her makeup

701
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: like all the time. I mean like six years old,

702
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: eight years I was fascinated with it. I was like,

703
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: this is crazy. And I remember my aunt gave me

704
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: one of those like little cheesy you know, you like

705
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: open the box and there's like eighty eyes shadows and

706
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: then cream blushes and little cheese. And I got that

707
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: like from my little phone. Yeah, the little phone Advocators

708
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: is I mean the worst, but in like complete mix

709
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: of bacteria. Now that i'm a professional, I'm like, oh

710
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: my god, this is a girl so gross. But anyway,

711
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: and now my daughter gets them, which is I'm like, okay,

712
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna get this um. But I remember I got

713
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: that from my aunt for like a birthday Christmas. I

714
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: definitely was an elementary school I had it. My mom

715
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: told me I couldn't play with it I couldn't bring

716
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: into school. My mom was like super feminist, like she

717
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: would like makeup now, but like when she was younger,

718
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: she was like very ants I like makeup, and she

719
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: was like grew up in New York and San Francisco,

720
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: like burn your bra, the whole thing. And um, I

721
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: remember she came to pick me up after school one

722
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: day and I was like playing all my friends, like

723
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: we were all putting the makeup on each other, and

724
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: she got so piste through it in the garbage, like

725
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: I told you can play with this, Like I was

726
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: so upset. Um. It's so funny because now, of course

727
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: she'll like asked me to do her makeup, and I'll

728
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: be like, do you remember I'm just saying, you have

729
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: to crush my dream. You just try to kill all

730
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: the vibes. Um, And she's like, I do not recall

731
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: that anyway. I'm like I vividly remember it. But yeah,

732
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: so I loved it from always, and I would do

733
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: everyone's makeup, like all my friends whatever, you know, from

734
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: like the cheapest whatever stuff we had, you know, you

735
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: going into our parents drawers and pulling out like old

736
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: Revlon single color, you know what I mean. But just

737
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: playing with it and understanding like where to put light,

738
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: where to put dark, and just kind of like learning

739
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: from like young young and playing with it. Um. And

740
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: I remember like when I so when I'm old, When

741
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I was like in my twenties, makeup wasn't a thing

742
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: the way it is now, and I was already wearing it.

743
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: I loved it, and I loved, you know, enhancing my

744
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: eyes and I would do like bronzers like contour before

745
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: I even really knew what highlighting contour was. And I

746
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: remember I moved to New York and I think maybe

747
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: like in California, girls were wearing more makeup, but like

748
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: in New York girls were not wearing makeup yet. And

749
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: I remember I'd get like a lot of attention on

750
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: the street, which I mean whatever New York street arrestment

751
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: is New York streets. But it was like O D

752
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: and I was like wow, like me and this other

753
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: girl that I knew that was from l A. Like

754
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: she also she would wear like a beat like she

755
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: was wearing there. She was wearing the Instagram beat back then.

756
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: I was like this is intense, um, but like yeah,

757
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: we would get a lot of intention and I was

758
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: like makeup. Really it's like transformative and attention getting and

759
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: things like that. So it just made me really want

760
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: to play with it and understand it. And now it's like,

761
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this probably sounds just like foreign to anyone

762
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: now to be like what it was revolutionary that you

763
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: were wearing makeup and hey, everyone looked like they're my

764
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 1: Instagram explore page now, but like yeah, at that time,

765
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: it was so it was like a thing that I

766
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: loved early and I think be and maybe it was

767
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: because Instagram wasn't a thing on social media and we

768
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: weren't seeing that, like there were these pockets of people

769
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: that were into it, um, and it made me really

770
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: love it. And um, I had a friend who was

771
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: a makeup artist and she would call me and have

772
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: her assist and she's like Union and she does like

773
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: TV shows and everything now like she's on like Shameless.

774
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: I think, like she does big shows, but she um

775
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: would call me into assist her and I would like

776
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: literally call out at Carol's daughter and like go assist her.

777
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: But it was like great to learn how to be

778
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: on set. And I was just so into it. So

779
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: then when I decided that I wanted to move to

780
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: l A. I was just like, this is definitely what

781
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: I want to do. I don't want to get a

782
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: job again, Like I can't go in an office, so

783
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go crazy, so I'm just gonna do this. Yeah,

784
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: And it was yeah, I mean it was you know,

785
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: you gotta fall before you fly, right. It was rough

786
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: in the beginning, but it also wasn't so saturated at

787
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: that time, so I was able and I had a

788
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: ton of contacts, um, which was great because I don't

789
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: think I mean, now it's like a whole different Like

790
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: the way that makeup artists started when I started was

791
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: like you would be of the book and you would

792
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: test shoot and you'd create a portfolio and you would

793
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: share your portfoot And now it's like Instagram, get your

794
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: following up, tag people, get your get your following up,

795
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's how you get eyes

796
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: on you. So that the old version of that was

797
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: build your book. I didn't do it that way, and

798
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have done it the Instagram way now either,

799
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: although I did definitely use social media to my advantage. Um,

800
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: but I definitely had great contacts and I had a

801
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: PR and marketing background, so that was right when Twitter

802
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: was popping off, and you know, even though it was

803
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: barely busy, I just really knew how to So like

804
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: twofold a, I knew how to use like Twitter at

805
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: that time to my benefit, which was to make it

806
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: sound like I was busy and popping But because I

807
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: had an old school advertising marketing PR background, I already

808
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: knew the like don't blow your load on the on

809
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: the on the like now they put on call sheets,

810
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: like no social media, no photos that because people were

811
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: just like instagramming everything, these like kids who don't know

812
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: any better. And then like the whole project is being

813
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: like put online. Everything's leaking before, like no one wants

814
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: to present their art that way, like music video, you're

815
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: working on, the movie, the commercial, the photos. You can't

816
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: post those photos ahead of time. Now they put that

817
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: on call sheets. I knew that already, So I was

818
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: I was, like, if I say so, myself, pretty masterfully

819
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: using Twitter. And at that time, because Twitter had just started,

820
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: it was like that time where like you literally would

821
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: just like import your address book and be like do

822
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: you want to follow each other? So because I had

823
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: this amazing address book of like publicists, managers, beauty reps,

824
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, artists like famous people that were like because

825
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: we were in each other's contacts because of my previous job,

826
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: Like every we would all follow each other, so I

827
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: had like a really good following to speak to immediately

828
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: without having to like five followers tag them yell into

829
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: the void to get attention. You know. It was like

830
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: a perfect Twitter. It was so like between my two

831
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: thousand and eight and two thousand and eleven. Yeah, like

832
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: at most twelve. It was so fun and popping and

833
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: just like it was like when we went to catch

834
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: a predator together, like that was like premium elite to Twitter. Yeah, yeah,

835
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: it was like it was it was a really special

836
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: time that. Yeah, it'll never be recreated. Yeah, no, now

837
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: everything is. And the same thing with instrument, like everything

838
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: is like there's no I don't even know that there's

839
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: a way to or get like every It's almost like

840
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: at that time everyone wasn't onto social media and only

841
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: industry people did one people were on Twitter absolutely, and

842
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: now everyone is. I think, you know, it's so funny too,

843
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: as I always think about like in the eighties that

844
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: like people that understood like the Internet and like chat

845
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: rooms were considered like nerds and like whatever. And now

846
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: it's like you look at someone who's not on social media,

847
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: You're like, you're not on any social media. We're kind

848
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: of nerd, like you know what I mean, And it's

849
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: like it's cool now to understand. But it was also

850
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: like at that time you had to really understand like

851
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: coding and things like that to really understand how to

852
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: get on a trap room. And now it's like, obviously

853
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: I used to think I was fired at coding. Like

854
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: when I had my Space post you I was music

855
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: and it was like lights and what I used to have,

856
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: like little glitter coming down like rain on my page

857
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: and we start that. Tom from my Spice taught an

858
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: entire generation how to code, though, and then Facebook took

859
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: it from us. Tom a real one. By the way,

860
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: don't feel bad for Tom because I remember one time

861
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: someone posted on Twitter whatever having to Tom from my Space,

862
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: that that dude just fell off the face of earth.

863
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: He retweeted something like my company got bought for five million.

864
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm sucking your mom in Bermuda, or I was like

865
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: whoa shot to Tom from my Space Spivy, I was like,

866
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: whoa come back? So now in this in this evolution

867
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: of you. You are a mom of a four year

868
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: old am She's amazing, She's perfect, and you know how

869
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: like it is so your daughter. She's by she is,

870
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: but she will be seen as and received as a

871
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: black woman in society. How do you? Is that something

872
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: that you think about all the time, really all the time? Um,

873
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: not so much. It's funny because as much as I

874
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: talk about sort of like being like an open ear

875
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: for like understanding and listening, there's just no way. And

876
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: I know that there's no way I could understand really

877
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: what it means to walk in the world as a

878
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: black woman. I could listen and and I can yell

879
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: as much as I can about like injustices and things

880
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: that are not right and and try to fix them

881
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: in my own small ways, whether that's just sort of

882
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: like helping set a beauty trend where that that like

883
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: black is beautiful, whatever those things are, but I can

884
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: never like, I don't I don't know what that feels like,

885
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: and I never could. Um. So I think about that

886
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: a lot. Actually I think about it almost every day honestly,

887
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: because you know, I do her hair every day. I

888
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: intentionally stuck her bookshelves with brown faces constantly like all

889
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: my all, her entire bookshelf is inclusive of like I

890
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: love the books you have for and you've gotten quests

891
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: so many amazing books. Big on starting it early when

892
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: I was at your house, like I was doing story

893
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: time with her, and she had this beautiful book and

894
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: it was about all like the colors of of like

895
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: black womanhood, and so you had every pretty little black

896
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: girl and she was like, Debbie, that's you. Look, this

897
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: one's me. And it was just so like so I

898
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: could just see her like I don't want to say

899
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: wheels turning because she's not giving it that much thought,

900
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: but it just it was so effortless her understanding of

901
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: raise her understanding of like colorism at that age, Like

902
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: it was just yeah, it's like I don't want to

903
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: it's such a weird dance. And I'm sure that that's

904
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: a dance. That's someone that who has a child of

905
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: any ethnicity that's not white, a full one that that

906
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: you that you have you think about the like you

907
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: send your you're gonna send your son into the world

908
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: and he's going to be a black man, you know

909
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you think about it, and you

910
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: know it's like at what aged you sort of like

911
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: kill the innocence of of like what does it mean

912
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: that the world sees you this way? Um? And so

913
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: right now, obviously I'm not trying to do that, but

914
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: we also will read books, like you know, there's a

915
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: lot of children's books that we read where like it'll

916
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: be a story about um. Someone maybe they had to

917
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: like that was encouraged to like change their name to

918
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: something that sounded Russian because like you're a ballerina, and

919
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: like ballerinas are supposed to be Russian and you could

920
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: pass as Russian. So wow and so funny. So we

921
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: I had talked with a friend of mine who's a

922
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: mother UM and she her children are beautiful blonde, blue

923
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: eyes like she's white, her husband's white, and but she's

924
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: also very woke and she like she kind of wanted

925
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: to talk to a pediatrician about I think it was

926
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: more it wasn't a specific race question, but it was

927
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: about like UM, I think it was like a birds

928
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: and bees question. And the pedetrician had told her just

929
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: like across the board, read the story as it is

930
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: and then just feel the questions as they come, you

931
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, don't over explain anything because

932
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: like their brain isn't processing it yet. So like when

933
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: I read her the stories of like people being encouraged

934
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: to change their name or whatever part of me wants

935
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: to be like, but because they said this, and don't

936
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: you think this is wrong? But I'm just like I'm

937
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna let her ask because I feel like, you know,

938
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: they're going to receive the information when they once they're

939
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: thinking about the question. That means that their brain now

940
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: is going to be ready to like process the answer

941
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Um. But yes, I think about

942
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: it every day. Um. I just I do my best,

943
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I give her the right

944
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: now she's for I fill her bookshelf with brown books.

945
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: I intentionally make sure that, um, she sees amazing black

946
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: women and all women. Honestly, I don't want to like

947
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: all lives matter the whole thing, but like I definitely

948
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: want her to see like amazing women. Um. And it's

949
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: funny because my husband is the one who's like, because

950
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: we have like a lot of amazing black art up

951
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: in our home, which is like I kind of push

952
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: for it. I'm like, let's put this up. We have

953
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: an amazing here Brandy, like fly girl, Like it's literally

954
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: like framed in her room. Um, and I we have

955
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: like your Nelson's up and things like that. And he's like,

956
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: and I have like these vintage like makeup posters like

957
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: Revlon that have like these like nineteen fifties white women whatever.

958
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, he's like, no, He's like, you

959
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: should put one of those that put it up in

960
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: the bathroom. He's like, he's like, don't a race that

961
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: you're also part of? Her? You know what I mean?

962
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: But it is like this weird thing because to your point,

963
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: the world is going to see her as a black

964
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: woman kind of like it matters that I'm here as

965
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: her mom, but like doesn't matter that she's white. Not

966
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: in America like maybe in other places, but like here,

967
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: we've kind of made it so it doesn't like I see,

968
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: I see both sides of it, because I definitely get

969
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: what he's saying, like your your story and your life

970
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: and your family history are monumentally important. But then also

971
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: coming from your perspective is kind of like, well, the

972
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: world will teach her about being white. She's going to

973
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: see plenty of beautiful white women on boards, know what

974
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean? I want I want in her house to see.

975
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: I want to see beautiful black women and black men

976
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: being a you know what I mean. I'm like, like

977
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: she'll see white women on magazine covers, regardless on billboards,

978
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: on TV. You know what I mean. It just kind

979
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: of is what it is. Um. Yeah, so I would

980
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: like so much because now we're both parents. You know,

981
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: I think about child rearing as a whole constantly, which

982
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: I guess is pretty obvious because my kid is one. Um.

983
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: But just when I like the kind of struggle I

984
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: have a little bit with thinking about the ways in

985
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: which like the sacred guiding I will do with him

986
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: will shape him. Is like when I when I bring

987
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: him to play like my own spiritual work, right, Like

988
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: how much is like what are the best ways to

989
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: share like tools for wholeness with this tiny soul that

990
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: can't comprehend much yet? You know, because like I'm in this, Um,

991
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm in this program right now. I'm doing um some

992
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: second career goaling, I guess I should say, um, but

993
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: I'm doing like a couple different. I'm doing like a

994
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: collegiate psychology program and I'm also doing a spiritual psychology

995
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: program right now that I'll be doing like for the

996
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: next I've almost finished one year and I have like

997
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: two more years to go. Um And you know, one

998
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: of the things I noticed because my my class is

999
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: filled with such a mix of people. So you have

1000
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: people that that experience severe traumatic harm in their family

1001
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: lineage and their personal lives, like lots of generational trauma

1002
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: um that are starting to awaken. You have I guess

1003
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: I would put myself in the category of someone that

1004
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: has been journeying for for close to a decade. So

1005
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm still learning and growing, but I am very awake

1006
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: and aware of a lot, and I've made a lot

1007
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: of shifts. And then you have people who were raised

1008
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: in this right like like a couple of classmates that

1009
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: I met have been doing like Kundalini yoga since they

1010
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: were two years old, right Like they've been going to

1011
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: ashram since they were children. But this is what I've noticed,

1012
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: and this is what I think about const only, and

1013
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: I hope I can It's a lot going on in

1014
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: this head, y'all. So I hope that I can word

1015
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: it in a way that that is receivable. But what

1016
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: I've noticed about all of us, about the experience of

1017
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: being a human being is at a soul level, we

1018
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: always crave what we were missing on both sides of

1019
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: the spectrum. So if you came from a problematic household,

1020
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: your soul is really searching to experience peace. You're really

1021
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: longing to have this ideal of the quote unquote perfect

1022
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: family or perfect relationship or things like that. But you're

1023
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: kind of pulled into your natural reset of dysfunction because

1024
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: that was your normal. On the flip side of that,

1025
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: what I found is when I meet people that were

1026
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: raised with this like raised by deeply awakened parents that

1027
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: put them into this kind of highly highly spiritual environment,

1028
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: is a lot of them are very apathetic. Their soul

1029
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: is craving suffering. Their soul is craving chaos. So a

1030
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the people that I've met

1031
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: in that space actually go through these phases where they

1032
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: are seeking out harmful experiences because they don't know what

1033
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: they're like. It's almost like, um, the good girl raised

1034
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: in the suburbs that wants to go out with like

1035
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: the bad boy. You're missing. You're missing that feeling. And

1036
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: that's how all of us are because if like Earth

1037
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: is our school and we're here to learn something, that's

1038
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: why life could never be fair and which it's kind

1039
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: of a call back to what we talked about earlier

1040
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: about how everything is being marketed to transform, Like we

1041
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: humans crave transformation, crave because you know what it is,

1042
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: it is our natural state that we have run from

1043
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: for so long. Like when people even say stuff like, oh,

1044
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: people don't change, now, listen, there are people that maybe

1045
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: in this lifetime it's not their destiny to change, because

1046
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: there are some stubborn people that will hold onto their

1047
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: toxicity till the day they get in the ground. But

1048
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: our natural setting is changed. Like if you look at nature,

1049
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: fall like the transformation of fall right, the cycle of

1050
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: life and death, the cycle of day to night, the

1051
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: cycle of you know, um, everything we see in every

1052
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: moment like really speaks to the fundamental not just desire

1053
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: but responsibility to change in every moment, you know. So

1054
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: then almost and I kind of get where you're going

1055
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: with that as far as like what was missing, so

1056
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: like I should be represented in there, No no, no, no,

1057
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm more so speaking of like the way

1058
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: i'm I'm really like unraveling a lot of thoughts of

1059
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: what I want my my parenting journey to look well,

1060
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say, because I'm what does

1061
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: that mean that no matter, like you should almost like

1062
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: you want to be this perfect parent and create a

1063
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: perfect home and all these things. But it's almost like

1064
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: then they're just gonna go seek out that toxicity. But

1065
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: like you don't want to be intentionally talk it's a

1066
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: very fun to like to what's the word like when

1067
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: you're very like like helicopter in your child, and yeah,

1068
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: like you don't like I don't. On one hand, I

1069
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: don't want to like pad quests fall too much, right

1070
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to make his life so like

1071
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: puppies and butterflies and rainbows and um, because then I

1072
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: don't I want to be able to cultivate resilience in

1073
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: him because he will not be in my household forever.

1074
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: He will be in the world, and the world is

1075
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: a very kind of challenging place against our nature as

1076
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: a mom, I don't want to protect them with it.

1077
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: But then on the side, I'm like, no, like I

1078
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: don't want I'm getting disappointed, and when I'm getting hurt,

1079
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: I don't want this baby, my precious, my precious, precious

1080
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: gift from God. You know, it's so it's like a

1081
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: it's such a dance. And I guess that's the thing

1082
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: that I'm really experiencing right now is the idea of

1083
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: surrendering to what the parenting journey is and knowing that

1084
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: no matter how good my intention is, like his spiritual

1085
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: curriculum is his spiritual curriculum, he will have the experiences

1086
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: placed in his life he has meant to play, having

1087
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: his life on a soul level to learn and uncover

1088
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: what he's meant to know, no matter if I'm a

1089
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: great mom or bad mom. Like life, he will experience

1090
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: life and the way that his soul signed up to

1091
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: experience it. And you know, I'm like, I don't know

1092
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: how you feel about like reincarnation and and things like that,

1093
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: but you know, oh yeah, I think you know your soul.

1094
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: And we had this conversation I think one night, um

1095
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: that this was the night like we really bonded. We

1096
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: like went to this dinner for like four hours and

1097
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: had this really crazy deep spiritual conversation super us Like

1098
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: me and you were the friends that like like if

1099
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: we're in the same city at the same time before

1100
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: we became neighbors, because now that's every day and like

1101
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: literally I remember this one time that we were like,

1102
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: I was like, girl, like, I'm in New York, but

1103
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: I have to leave in two hours. You were like,

1104
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: meet me at the met that's the museum in New York.

1105
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: Let's spend an hour walking the museum and catching up.

1106
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: And that's like kind of our thing, like we like

1107
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: to be walking, experiencing and then having these like deep

1108
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: conversation conversational the importance. But so we were talking about

1109
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: I remember this conversation because I had had this conversation

1110
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: one time. So I remember I was younger and I

1111
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: kept having a recurring dream and I think I told

1112
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: you about this, but you probably remember it. So I

1113
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: was I would be in the mirror and I was me,

1114
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: and then I was like, I found like I was

1115
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: like a young me, I don't know, seventeens, and I

1116
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: found like a facial hair, and I was like, I

1117
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: shaved it, and I shaved it again, and it kept

1118
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: growing and growing until it was like a full beard.

1119
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: And I looked in the mirror and realized I was

1120
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: a boy, and I was a French boy, and it

1121
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: was such a weird thing. I was very clear that

1122
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: I was a French boy. It was but I started

1123
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: as me in the mirror, and I remember telling my

1124
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: mom about the dream and I was like, I keep

1125
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: having this dream. It's so weird. And my mom is um,

1126
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: she's not a religious person at all, but she has

1127
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: a sense of spirituality that goes back to her kind

1128
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: of like hippie, you know, floaty, And she said that

1129
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: she feels that, you know, she strongly reincarnation, and she

1130
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: thinks that like whatever we call God is sort of

1131
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: all the soul. It's like, you know how matter is

1132
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: neither created nor destroyed, it's just kind of transferred. Like

1133
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: all of the energy of the universe is God, and

1134
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: it's all of our souls and you kind of get

1135
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: sent back to live it again and again and again

1136
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: until you're a whole person, and then you then you're done.

1137
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Then you get to go be part of God, you

1138
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, that's what she can She's like,

1139
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: she's like yeah, She's like, it's not like some guy

1140
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: sitting on a throne saying I smite you. She's like no,

1141
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: She's like this, that's why all we have to be

1142
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: responsible for the energy that we bring into every space,

1143
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: because we're all part of the same thing. So it's

1144
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: interesting that you say, like question journey is going to

1145
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: be his journey, like whatever he signed up for, because

1146
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: we don't you don't know yet if he's an old soul,

1147
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: if he's a young because you've definitely met people where

1148
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 1: it's like they're brand new, and then you've met people

1149
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, this might be your last go around,

1150
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: like idea and you three year olds that are like

1151
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: wise and I don't mean like smart, like they can

1152
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: like they are just soul wise, and then you meet

1153
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: fifty year old men where you're like, oh, honey, you're

1154
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: brand new. You've got so many spins around this planet,

1155
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: like I'll catch you next time. Like it's so interesting

1156
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: because like that's given me so much grace for everyone

1157
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: I come in contact with in my life, because even

1158
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: if we're all in the same school per se, like

1159
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: I might be working on my master's right now and

1160
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: you're master in kindergarten right and there's no it doesn't

1161
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: mean I'm better than you. It doesn't mean you know

1162
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: that that there's this like leveling happening. It just means

1163
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: like we are meant to learn different things. That's go around,

1164
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: and I'm super convinced that there are some people that

1165
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: they're just like in this lifetime, they're just meant to

1166
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: experience humanity and learn how to survive. Right, So as

1167
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: long as the core of their needs are met, like

1168
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: they are putting food in their stomach and have some

1169
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: more to sleep, Like, that's pretty much the entirety of

1170
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: what their growth is going to be, because that's their

1171
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: destination this trip, you know, like this incarnation of my life.

1172
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: I was always destined to be a seeker. I was

1173
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: always death sent to be deeply curious about myself in

1174
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: the world so that I could unlock new levels of

1175
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: me and like into patterns and stop some generational trauma

1176
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: from moving forward to all of my descendants. You know,

1177
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah. And it's just like you, like you meet

1178
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: people where they are, and I think that's how you

1179
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: give people grace, right, Like you you just kind of

1180
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: mean and listen to some people. Like it doesn't mean

1181
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: you have to force everyone into your space. If they're

1182
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: not good for your space, they're not good for your space.

1183
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: But like you can. I think like everyone would just

1184
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: get along better and everyone in the world would just

1185
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: be so much calmer if people could just sort of

1186
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: allow grace, just like when we talk about like where

1187
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: someone has time to get online to like we disagree

1188
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: about this one fundamental thing, and now you have time

1189
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: to come and write bad book reviews and think about it.

1190
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just like, can we just give

1191
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: each other a little bit of grace here, Like it's fine, guys,

1192
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: Like we can disagree on this, It's fine. I didn't

1193
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: say you were deplorable, even though I implied it, like anyway, okay,

1194
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: we're not talking about politics, but um, but also also

1195
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: as being in full acceptance of what the reality of

1196
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: whatever situation is. And I think a lot of people

1197
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: mix up like the true definition and intention of the

1198
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: word acceptance. Acceptance does not mean to agree, right Like,

1199
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: acceptance doesn't mean like someone does something bad to you,

1200
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: I accept it, So that means that you are encouraging

1201
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: it or you're in support of their treatment. It just

1202
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: means that you accept that this is the reality of

1203
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: what is now in this moment. Doesn't mean you don't

1204
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: want it to change. It doesn't mean that you are

1205
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: not going to change it. It just means that you're

1206
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: not fighting your reality in every moment and causing your

1207
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: own suffering by trying to make life something that it

1208
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: just is not right now. The serenity to accept the

1209
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: things I cannot change, the courage to change the things

1210
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. That's

1211
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: literally what that quote is about. It's so caught up

1212
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: in the use of accept to mean that allow. We

1213
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: think accept means allow and it doesn't except really just

1214
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: means to be kind of that as an observation, what

1215
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: is current colleague true with what is happening? Yeah, I

1216
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: mean and to yeah, to not fight it and and

1217
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: weirdly going and going back to like growing up in

1218
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: the Bay Area like in the eighties and nineties, I

1219
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: always try to explain to people, I'm like that is

1220
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: that was sort of the energy at that time it was.

1221
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: And I think that that if you meet people like

1222
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: a Carly Hustle or Ali Wong or me or the

1223
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: Ebro maybe like people that you might meet with and

1224
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: maybe like they have strong opinions about things, you'll find

1225
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: that most of their strong opinions are sort of almost

1226
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: like would be considered like socialism opinions, where it's just

1227
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: sort of like because we that I think that pocket

1228
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: of the country at that time was very live and

1229
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: let live. You know, it was very accepting, like you know,

1230
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: we were you know obviously like Harvey Milk was like

1231
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: the first game there, and Mayor Mouscot or he was

1232
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: a supervisor, and Mayor Mausconi and like you know that

1233
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: just like San Francisco has always been a much more

1234
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: accepting place. Like I think about, like I read so

1235
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: much this year because it was um the fifth anniversary

1236
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: of Stonewall riots, um, during World Pride and reading about

1237
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: that experience that like so many trans men and women

1238
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: had and gay men and women had in a city

1239
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: like New York that is touted for being so accepting

1240
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: and and just and just hearing with and then like

1241
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: knowing like the history of like my city and what

1242
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: gay and trans people went through in at that time

1243
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: and just kind of like really, I'm like, no, you

1244
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: guys don't know from accepting like this is an accepting place.

1245
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: And again it's it doesn't necessarily mean like I agree

1246
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: or this is my life. It's just kind of like

1247
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: we co exist together, whether it's good or bad in

1248
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: your mind or not. Um And I think like growing

1249
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: up in that energy all the time just kind of

1250
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: leads to um calm, Like I don't. I don't know

1251
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: that it doesn't like when we talk about like what's missing,

1252
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that you're going to necessarily now always

1253
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: feel calm. But like for me, it's worked like I'm

1254
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: I generally feel calm unless I see something that I

1255
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: feel is so um blatantly against humankind, which you know,

1256
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: to your point, I can be very loud political politically

1257
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: on social media. UM, but it's it's just sort of

1258
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: like an outrage, and I just feel like there's a difference,

1259
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: um when the outrage has to do with basic humanity

1260
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: or when the outrage is based on like your per

1261
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: personal press about something, you know what I mean, And

1262
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: I think like understanding, like being able to take a

1263
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: step back and like looking at is this my personal

1264
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: preference or is this like our basic needs of humanity

1265
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: being met? To your point, I'm outraged when the basic

1266
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: needs of humanity are not being met, you know what

1267
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, it's it's even in all like

1268
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: my Nama state glory. It's like it's deeply difficult to

1269
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: navigate um ignorant, you know, Like there was this meme

1270
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: that went around on Instagram recently and it was like,

1271
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm in therapy because of all the people in who

1272
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: are not in their fax, and I'm like, you're like,

1273
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: I need this on a teamer same same, same singh

1274
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Speaker 1: you know the lingua franca sweaters, those like embroidered sweater.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you in with that saying on it.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be my gift to you girl. Yes, because

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Speaker 1: lord yeah work, But that's really what it is. It's like,

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Speaker 1: how can we how can we seek our own growth

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Speaker 1: and then manage our experience of still living with the

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Speaker 1: rest of humanity and and not letting it engulf us,

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01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, and then like that that's when like your

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01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: self care has to come in a little bit. And

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01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: however you practice your self care, whether it's a meditation

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01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: or crystals or a workout or a social media detox,

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01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: what's your self care. The gym for sure is my

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Speaker 1: self care. I love it um, which is funny because

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01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: like I'm not like per Se. I'm not like a

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01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: fitness girl. Like I'm not like I look fine and Michaels,

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01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm not in shape, you know what I mean, Like

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01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: but look pretty fire to me. Well thank you, but

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01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: now like thank you, I received that thank you let

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01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: me learn how to take a compliment. Thank you. Um,

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01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: just the whether it's placeable effect or not. Like the

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01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: endorphin rush from a workout, like I just kind of

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: set you in a great mood for the day. So

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01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: I always see like that meme going around on like

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01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: workout Instagram, which is like a one hour workout is

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01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: four percent of your day like and I'm just like

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Speaker 1: that's like it's four percent of your day, like just

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01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: and honestly, like it will reset your whole day for me,

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01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: Like it just gets your energy up, It gets your

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01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: mood up. Like you can be piste off walking in

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01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: the gym and feel great because you just gotta you know,

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01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: you open up your blood vessels and you just get

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Speaker 1: your energy moving. Um. I love a spa moment. Like

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01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: sometimes I just like I have a very physically demanding job.

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01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: Um and also like mentally, and I think like that's

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Speaker 1: something that gets discounted maybe not so much in any

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01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: job where like you're very close, but I think like

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Speaker 1: especially like in celebrity makeup, there is um and hair too,

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01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: but especially makeup just because I'm like right on someone's face. Um,

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01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: like Mabe the hair says can't hear because they have

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01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: a blow dryer on or whatever. But like me and

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01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: the client are like talking and it is a the

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: client like you're there to service the client, right, and

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01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: the client is getting ready to go on the red carpet,

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01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: go on television, go to a photo shoot, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: They have to present their best face to the world. Um.

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01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: So it's almost part of your job is to make

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01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: them look but part of your job is to also

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: like make them feel good. Like you got to pull

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Speaker 1: someone out of you know, I've done like pieces makeup

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01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: two hours after we heard like Nipsey was murdered. I

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: have done um, you know, someone's makeup right when they

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01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: found out a loved one passed away, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. And it's it's like the interviews don't wait,

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01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: the photo shoot doesn't stop. Um. And I've had multiple publicists,

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Speaker 1: Vanessa included tell me that, you know, one thing I

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Speaker 1: love is that I can get you in there because

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Speaker 1: I also like, a I know they're gonna look great,

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Speaker 1: but be like I know that like I'm going to

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Speaker 1: get like the person that I need, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Because it's like like you can't send like

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Speaker 1: a celebrity out to do an interview and they are

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: just closed and down or upset or that, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you got to pull them out

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Speaker 1: of that mood so that when they walk out of

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Speaker 1: that room, they're like, Hey. The flip side of that

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01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: is that, like we said, like energy doesn't disappear, it

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01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: just exchanges. So if you're in a funk and I'm

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: pulling you out of it, that funk is going somewhere,

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01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. So it's a very

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Speaker 1: emotionally draining job. Sometimes people like what music do you

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01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I love nothing more than just getting

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Speaker 1: in my car and like turn the radio off after

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01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: a long day because I'm like everyone's been talking, I've

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01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: heard everyone's energy. It's like and I'm just like, I

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01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: just need silence before I go home to a four

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: year old who is chatterboxing, you know what I mean. So,

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01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: but I don't know where she gets that from anyway. Um,

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01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, So honestly, like silence is my self care.

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01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: So if I can mix it with a massage, I

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01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: love that. Like, but people are like, do you want

1354
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: to playlist for I'm like, if you could, like turn

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01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: the music totally off honestly for the massage. Like this

1356
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: sounds great like your pool trinkling right now. It's such

1357
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 1: a great sound to me, I'm like I should sleep

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: with a sound machine because like every time I turn

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01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: it on in my daughter's room, I'm like, this is delightful. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's whn you say that, because like something that I

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01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: just did for myself was I got on Amazon one

1362
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: of those like a big Circle. It's from Phillip's Big Circle,

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01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: and it's like a like a daylight light, like a light,

1364
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: and it's like it's gradually gets brighter to ease you

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Speaker 1: into it. I was starting to get really stressed out

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01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: setting my alarm on my phone, and even when I

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Speaker 1: try to put it on the delicate one right like

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01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: like just like a chime's, it's still jarring, like it's

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01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: still starting really abruptly, really loud. And also no matter

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Speaker 1: what sounded is, you know, it's your phone, and our

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01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: connection now to our phones is stressful. And then for

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Speaker 1: the first thing I do in order just to quiet

1373
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: it is to pick up your phone, and I'm instantly

1374
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: seeing alerts. I'm instantly seeing notifications, so like I have

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01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: a little sleeping bag from my phone now that I

1376
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: got on this retreat that I was more that I

1377
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: put it in there at a certain time. I don't

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Speaker 1: look on it until like I've woken up, done my meditation,

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: like started my coffee. Um, but I have really been enjoying.

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01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: I get awakened by the sound of like grasshoppers and

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01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: bird chirping, and it starts really really light. Like if

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01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: I set my alarm for like six thirty, which is

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01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: like typically in a morning, like I try to get

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01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: up a little bit before quest um, and then it'll

1385
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: be a mom pro tip right there. Even if you

1386
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: gave yourself like fifteen minutes until not be awakened by cries.

1387
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: Is like it's such a gentler start to my day,

1388
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: Like it's I'm worth it losing the sue. That's free

1389
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: game right there. That's a mom bro tip right there, guys.

1390
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Speaker 1: And so when I set my alarm to like six thirty,

1391
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: right at six, the light gently starts to slowly over

1392
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 1: thirty minutes to get to like a daylight feel, and

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01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: then the chirping starts like ten minutes before really low,

1394
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: and then it's like chip chirp, chirp. Between tod and

1395
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: I wake up and I feel like almost like damn

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01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: snow white, like uh, like you know, come here in

1397
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: a little bird Like it's just like so lovely. I'm

1398
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: just picture you're like on the back and they're like no,

1399
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: like a Disney for incess. But it's like like that

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Speaker 1: to me like represents my self care right now, Like

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01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: even if I don't have time for other things, like

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01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 1: being able to choose the feeling I will start my

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01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: day with when I open yourself into this world is

1404
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: self care. Yeah, Like I'm easing myself into the world

1405
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: because it's a lot and it's like and again, like

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: I know, we bring up social media a lot because

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: it just exists and it dictates everyone's eye. But like

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01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: the access that we have now to just so much

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01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: information and so much energy, and even like Instagram is

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, like you're like, oh, I just Twitter, and

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01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: like I'm like Instagram has like similar energy. It's like

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01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: you you want to choose what you see, and I've

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01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: set my like now the algorithm messing with you now,

1414
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: so it's like not even what I want to see anyway,

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01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: it's like what I've chosen to see, and it's like

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01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: still not what I want to see anymore. I'm like,

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: why am I saying three day old? Like you know,

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01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to say this. Yeah. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I've set like my my alarm on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: the backroom tim I do a timer. Um, I think

1421
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: my time are set to like an hour and five

1422
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: minutes total right for the whole day. That's smart. So

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Speaker 1: what I love about that. Now, granted, there's some days

1424
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: like where I can't sleep right, so I might be

1425
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: up from four am to six am, just like staring

1426
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: at the ceiling. So then like I've reached my Instagram

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01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: max by eight am, um, but to Candy Crash, I

1428
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: got hit me. But now like I've like like, now

1429
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: I've kind of if I So I start my day

1430
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: around six thirty um, and now I'm making it without

1431
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,560
Speaker 1: my alarm going off till about six pm. So that

1432
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: means like I'm not really on Instagram, and when I am,

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01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm probably like posting my own stories or my own stuff. Um,

1434
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: but it's probably like I don't know what this math

1435
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be wrong, but it's just an example, guys,

1436
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: But it might break down to like four minutes out

1437
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: of three hour during that day, like I I scrolled.

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: You know, what I would say is like the great

1439
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: thing I've noticed since moving from New York to l

1440
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: A Is I don't spend my time so much on

1441
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: the back of a lift anymore. I'm like, my phone

1442
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: screen time in general is just way down because that's

1443
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: that our commute that used to be to Midtown. I'm

1444
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 1: now driving that myself, so obviously I can't scroll. So

1445
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, my screen time is way down. Like

1446
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: for me, it's like if I'm on set and it's

1447
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: just like hours and hours of takes. I'm just like, Okay,

1448
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm just open Instagram because let me just yeah, or

1449
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to jump out of window like one or

1450
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: the other. But yeah, Instagram has this positive especially now

1451
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: that I've like really filtered my follows. Like all I

1452
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: see when I'm on Instagram is my close friends or

1453
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: like funny like therapy jargon or like you know, like

1454
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: different like d I Y videos or like self help

1455
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: like stuff. So when I'm on it, like I'm actually

1456
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 1: getting like a lot of ideas like to channel my creativity.

1457
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm getting like nourished and fed. I don't I don't

1458
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: follow any of like the gossip pages, but I also

1459
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: blocked all the gossip pages. That's because then it keeps

1460
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: them off my Yeah, it changes it. So I don't

1461
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: see when people post stuff like that, like even that

1462
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: I follow, and it also doesn't ever come up on

1463
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: my explore feed. So like if we were to open

1464
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: my g right now on my explore feed, the only

1465
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 1: things that you would see is like like therapy talk

1466
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: um home transformation like I love, like like pages like

1467
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: the Jungalow or like you know, home to Core and

1468
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: Crystals and that's it, or like d I y videos

1469
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: of like BuzzFeed tasty, you know, like and that's it.

1470
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: So is there any area of like self self care,

1471
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: self help, spiritual that that is cringe e to you though?

1472
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: Like are there people that sort of like self spirituality

1473
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: that's cringe e? Because for me, I follow a million

1474
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: makeup artists that I think are phenomenal, Like I follow

1475
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: intentionally like beautifully inspiring editorial makeup artists and makeup artists

1476
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: I admire or anything like that, And then which my

1477
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: Explore page thinks means I want to see you know,

1478
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: ultra light beam highlight like noses and cheeks with like

1479
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: seventeen color Macro I close up, which like no shade guy, Like,

1480
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: if you do that makeup, I'm a dent. I think

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Speaker 1: it's an amazing skill and precision. Um, it's just like

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01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: not necessarily like what I want to see on my

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01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: Explore page as far as like, um, creative inspiration. It's

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01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: just more like an amazing technical skill. If you click

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01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: on those when you're on your Explore page on the

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01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: top right, you can click those dots and say, see

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: less of this, that's what I need. So I've done that, um,

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: not recently because I kind of like mastered my page now,

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: like my Explorer page, but I did that before, especially

1490
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: when stuff would pop up that really didn't even like

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01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: fit into stuff I cared about in my wheelhouse at all.

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01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: But there's definitely something that comes on and I'm like, what,

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01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: why do you think I want to see this Instagram?

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01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: What in the algorithm based on will you follow? Okay?

1495
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to be edited. I think, like I think

1496
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 1: with every field, and this absolutely includes like the spirituality field.

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01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: There as with everything, there's gonna be like the light

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01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: and dark, there's gonna be the levels to it. So

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Speaker 1: like even within because now, especially like positivity is so

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01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: on trend. Spirituality is so on trend and mainstream in

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01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: certain ways. You're gonna get your levels of it. You're

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01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: gonna get you're gonna get the great, amazing, you're gonna

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01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: get the good, You're gonna get the fair, You're gonna

1504
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: get the mediocre, the bad, and the god awful. And

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01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,919
Speaker 1: that's in every field. That's with every type of industry,

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01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: every type of product. So yeah, I mean when I'm

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01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: on there, I definitely see a lot of BS positivity.

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: I see a lot of like passive aggressive positivity. I

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01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: see a lot of like um people marketing not dealing

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01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: with their problems as like I'm not doing things that

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01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: don't serve me, and it's like, well, no, you're just

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01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: continuing your pattern of avoidance you. But then at the

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01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: same time, I'm not a judgment of it, because we're

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: all growing at our own pace. So if that's you

1515
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 1: in your life, that's okay, that's my family. Like those pages,

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01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: I am so glad and that's how I feel like

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01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,560
Speaker 1: this is this is not a competition for me, Like

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01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: I an Instagram page like that and that style of

1519
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: makeup and someone doing makeup on themselves or or that

1520
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: look that's not what I do when we're not competing

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01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: for anything. Um. And again, like I don't think I'm

1522
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: never like, oh you're whack, You're not gonna where I'm like.

1523
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 1: I think that like the skill and the precision that

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01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: those looks take is like, um, like I don't even

1525
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: have the patience for that precision. Um, I just have

1526
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: a different aesthetic, you know. I kind of think that,

1527
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,839
Speaker 1: like our imperfections are kind of what makes us beautiful.

1528
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, sometimes these weirdly precise

1529
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: photos are they just like a little weirdly robotic and

1530
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: android ish to me where I'm like, okay, like very

1531
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 1: artistic and creative, um, but maybe just not like for me.

1532
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I need to just click the

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: c less of this because my Explore page is, um

1534
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: what's the site? It is colorful? I'm like, wow. So

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: before before we wrap up and get out of here, UM,

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: I like to ask everybody if you have any book suggestions,

1537
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: podcast suggestions, or things that are on your radar that

1538
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 1: some of the folks listening might want to write down

1539
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: real quick. Oh wow, I should have researched this question

1540
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 1: before I came. Okay, Um, true life confession. I until

1541
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: like a year ago, didn't even know what a podcast was.

1542
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: Sean had to tell me. I was like, what's that.

1543
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: He's like, you literally have an app on your phone

1544
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: you can listen. And I was like, what is this?

1545
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: He was like, because that's when I first got Last

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: Night People Talking. Um yeah, So I actually am like

1547
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: not a huge podcast person podcasts. No, although um, I

1548
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: do love and I have been a guest on this podcast,

1549
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: so I'm probably biased, but um My Leaks podcast taught

1550
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: yeah fire every time I've listened to it, it's amazing.

1551
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: And also this girl lived Perez Friend of a Friend

1552
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: podcast is great and that's yeah. And then your podcast obviously,

1553
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: which guys aren't listening to. What's like a favorite book

1554
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: of yours over the years. Okay, so I have I'm

1555
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: a bookworm. I'm a nerd. I've been reading my whole life.

1556
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 1: My mom is an author. Um and I run the

1557
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: gamut from like really like nonfiction works to like complete

1558
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: like my trash reading is like historical fiction. Like you

1559
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: gave me anything about the Tutors, I'm obsessed with it.

1560
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you like a range. Because someone

1561
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: just the other day literally yesterday, I think on Twitter

1562
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,839
Speaker 1: it was a writer who said I need a palate cleanser.

1563
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: She's like, I need a book that's going to keep

1564
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: me like super engaged that I don't have to think

1565
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: about at all, but I just want to be super

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01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: entertained by it and like toss it, which I almost

1567
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: take to think is like a beach read. But by

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01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: the way, to your point, there's like levels to a beatree,

1569
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: because there's like some really crappy beach reads out there.

1570
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: One that I'm obsessed with. I don't even know if

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01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 1: it's in print anymore, but I think you can find it.

1572
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: It's called Bringing Home the Birken. Maybe it's like my

1573
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: fashion thing I'm obsessed with. It's a story about this

1574
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: is like before online shopping and things like that. It's

1575
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: like a story about how this guy basically made himself

1576
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: a millionaire finding the coveted broken bag for rich women

1577
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: around the world who couldn't get their hands on it.

1578
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: He like unlocked the secret. How or mez would sell

1579
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: you a broken back because even now if you go

1580
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: into like intermed store, you can't just walk in and

1581
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: say I want to buy a broken he like knows

1582
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: the secret he knows how to do it, and he

1583
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: like it's it's just like a fun read. You know,

1584
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: you can read in a couple of hours. It's super fun.

1585
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: So I always recommend to Bringing Home the Broken Michael Tinello.

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01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: I only remember the name. It's a fun read. Like

1587
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I just read so many

1588
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: like heavy books like theology, philosophy. Like I'm in the

1589
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: middle right now. Yeah, I've never read it. Um, I'm

1590
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: like struggling to get into it though, and everyone has

1591
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: raved about it. I'm like, sometimes it's some of those

1592
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: books like you have to just it has to be

1593
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: the right timing, you know, Like because I like one

1594
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 1: of the books that is my go to and I

1595
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: talked about this on my I G t V. The

1596
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: Untethered Soul. That book is like that book revolutionized my life. Right,

1597
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 1: But the first four chapters I wanted to peel my

1598
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: skin off, Like I was just reading it and I

1599
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: was like, this is agonizing, this what are you talking about?

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01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: But then by the fifth chapter, I was like engulfed,

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01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: and it just sometimes you just have to push through

1602
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: certain chapters or you need to put it down completely

1603
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: and try again next month. That's what I'm like, I'm like,

1604
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: I put it down. I'm like, I'm gonna pick it

1605
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: up again because I really want to read it because

1606
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: people grave about it and it's so funny because Seawan

1607
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: doesn't read a ton and it's like his dog eared

1608
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: really so I'm like, I got the lifestyle. Okay, we

1609
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 1: gotta go. We're like way over, Okay. I love you

1610
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,520
Speaker 1: so much. I think you are so brilliant and so incredible,

1611
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: and you're just one of the most effortlessly interesting and

1612
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 1: fascinating people. Oh my god, and you always have great

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01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: recommendations about everything, because I'm the mail show. Oh my God.

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01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: To return on Twitter and Instagram at Joanna Simpkin and

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01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: we'll be back in a couple of weeks. Peace later,

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: big Thank you for listening to this episode of The

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01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: Dropping Gym's podcast. This show is executive produced by Adrian

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: Scott and me Debbie Brown. Our theme music was created

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Speaker 1: by producer Day one, and the poem that you heard

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01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show, well, that was created

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Speaker 1: especially for us by award winning poet and I'mbie Oka four.

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Speaker 1: If you have a quick moment right now, please hit

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Speaker 1: subscribe on the show and if you like what you heard,

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Speaker 1: star rating. Until next time you connect with me on

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