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Speaker 1: The materials for you guys who backed that on Kickstarter,

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Speaker 1: kind of the free format. Um, the back episodes are

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Speaker 1: I deleted all those back episodes from SoundCloud. You can't

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Speaker 1: episodes of everything we've ever done. But everything else is

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Speaker 1: one hund cloud were no longer and Apple podcast we're

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Speaker 1: no longer going to do the type of thing where

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Speaker 1: on Apple podcast, like you're going to get each show

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Speaker 1: in their entirety. So the the very least that we

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Speaker 1: so we can climb up in those rankings. Oh and

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Speaker 1: also and also we were discussing this before we got

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Speaker 1: on critiques. Yeah, police, feel free to critique. I mean,

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Speaker 1: don't don't just sit around and bash us, you know,

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Speaker 1: just to bash us with no point. Don't don't bring

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Speaker 1: something up if you don't got a solution, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's just leave it at that. Those are the rules. No, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: you know, I, as I said to you before we recorded,

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Speaker 1: I kind of separate. I think that there's a generational

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Speaker 1: things you were talking about, generations where anyone who critiques

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Speaker 1: you as a hater, I don't look at it that way.

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Speaker 1: If someone writes like, you know, fuck Ian Scott on

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Speaker 1: the party, then you're a hater. But if you say, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I dig the podcast, you guys could be doing more

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Speaker 1: of this. I completely take that consideration. Um So the

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Speaker 1: other big news if you didn't listen to the last episode,

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Speaker 1: Odissian a favorite of the show. We did a whole

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Speaker 1: YouTube stream and Facebook live if you want to check

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Speaker 1: it out, with the Odissean wearing the Luca Libre mask

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Speaker 1: is now the managing editor of the website. He's replaced

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Speaker 1: desiree Um. Desire is moving on to do different things.

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Speaker 1: as long as I have, so I'm really psyched to

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Speaker 1: have him on board as a managing editor. I think

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Speaker 1: he'll still be writing some articles here and there, because

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Speaker 1: I saw people saying like, does this mean we won't

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Speaker 1: get your great articles? Um, I think the type of

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Speaker 1: person he is, trust me, he's going to bang them out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a great dude. Um. So, before we get into

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Speaker 1: up now. Um So, just I guess to to preface

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Speaker 1: the clip as I look it up. Derek Gannon broke

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Speaker 1: the piece about the Green Berets, the four Green Berets

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Speaker 1: killed in Niger Africa, which was like a shock to

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Speaker 1: And there was some outrage I think among some in

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Speaker 1: the veteran community, you know. Derek and Jack Murphy included

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Speaker 1: that Trump did not bring this up at all, didn't

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Speaker 1: make any mention of the four Green Berets killed. And

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Speaker 1: I know that the argument has been, well, he can't

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Speaker 1: mention every time that we have military killed. And and

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Speaker 1: also this is a little bit of a peculiar circumstance

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Speaker 1: because for one, it's in Niger Africa, and even though

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Speaker 1: every single military member is extremely valuable. Green Berets, you know,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of uh of where they they are

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Speaker 1: in stature and all that there are really valuable asset.

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Speaker 1: And when you lose four of those guys, it's something

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Speaker 1: that the president should bring up. And I think people

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Speaker 1: were just angered at the fact that, look, he's tweeting

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Speaker 1: about the NFL, he's tweeting about all this other stuff,

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Speaker 1: pay respects to these four Green Berets. So it was

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Speaker 1: gonna look up the clip and I'm gonna get your

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Speaker 1: reaction as I'm looking that up. But he kind of

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Speaker 1: that he personally calls the gold Star families and that

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Speaker 1: And from what I've seen, that is not the case.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you know, foreimer presidents did make it

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Speaker 1: a point to call the families of those killed in action.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to hear your take. Oh, I was

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Speaker 1: waiting for the clip. No, God, it no worries. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how do I feel about that? Because

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Speaker 1: he is you know how I feel about him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I respect the office, I respect the chair, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: him as an individual, I respect him tremendously. He's the

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Speaker 1: president of the United States of America. And regardless whatever

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Speaker 1: anyone feels, that man got there, that man one, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna really, um go too far into

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Speaker 1: him and his character. But what I will say is

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Speaker 1: there's certain things that he does say at times that

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Speaker 1: you know, are tasteless. So um, the fact that he

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Speaker 1: mentioned that, I per se what it has said it.

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Speaker 1: But then again, I'm not a billionaire that's been out

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Speaker 1: of touch with you know, the perception or the the

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Speaker 1: the caring of what perception is made of you. You know,

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Speaker 1: like I'm still there. I still care about what people

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Speaker 1: think about me, because you know, I got my family's

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Speaker 1: name to honor and all this stuff. But let me

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Speaker 1: play the clip, and you know, you know, but what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying, what I'm trying to say is Okay, I

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Speaker 1: get it. Um, but he didn't say he didn't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he did, right, he spoke to the fact. So let's

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Speaker 1: play it so we have it in his own words,

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Speaker 1: because I don't want to twist his words. And and

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Speaker 1: you know, as you as the audience could take it

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Speaker 1: as you are, Like I certainly took it the way

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Speaker 1: I did. But let's let's check it out. Anything I've

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Speaker 1: written them personal letters, Uh, they've been sent or they're

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Speaker 1: going out tonight, but they were during the weekend. I

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Speaker 1: will at some point during the the period of time

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Speaker 1: call the parents and the families, because I have done

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Speaker 1: that traditionally. I felt very very badly about that. I

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Speaker 1: always feel badly. It's it's the toughest. The toughest calls

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Speaker 1: I have to make are the calls where this happens,

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Speaker 1: soldiers are killed. Uh, it's a very difficult thing. Now

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Speaker 1: it gets to a point where you know, you make

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Speaker 1: four or five of them in one day is a

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Speaker 1: very very tough day for me. That's by far the toughest.

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Speaker 1: So the traditional way. If you look at President Obama

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Speaker 1: and other presidents, but most of them didn't make calls.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them didn't make calls. I like to

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Speaker 1: call when it's appropriate, when I think I'm able to

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Speaker 1: do it. Uh. They have made the ultimate sacrifice. So

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Speaker 1: generally I would say that I like to call. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be calling them. I went a little time

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Speaker 1: to pass, I'm going to calling them. I have, as

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Speaker 1: you know since I've been president, I have. But in addition,

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Speaker 1: I actually wrote letters individually to the UH soldiers were

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Speaker 1: today or tomorrow. All right, So that's the context first

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Speaker 1: half of get it. But here here's here's what you know.

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Speaker 1: You gotta understand background to this. That that that to

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Speaker 1: that announcement, that addressing addressing that was not planned, that

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Speaker 1: was on the fly, And how many presidents will come

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Speaker 1: out during someone else's uh, you know, address and basically

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Speaker 1: say hey, I'm here, guys, you guys got any questions

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Speaker 1: on the fly, So he obviously he probably didn't even

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Speaker 1: think about that, so that it should be especially but

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Speaker 1: to my my my assessment of the situation even more

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Speaker 1: as evidence that that man is so out of touch

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Speaker 1: with the perception of reality that he really thinks he

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Speaker 1: can do no harm verbally. So he thinks he's just

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Speaker 1: like you know, when he was throwing the paper towels

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Speaker 1: regular Joe. So whether it was premeditated or he thought

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Speaker 1: got the crowd rolled up or whatever. You know, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't his intention to be little those people, but he

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Speaker 1: was just unaware of the perception, just like he is

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Speaker 1: unaware of the perception. And on top of that, it

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Speaker 1: proves it because he said the same thing like nine times.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll get it. I think what he was

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Speaker 1: trying to do is defend himself by saying I've done

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Speaker 1: it before. He should have never said that. Past presidents

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Speaker 1: have never done that, because I know that's that's a

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Speaker 1: damn lie. So if anybody has any problem with anything

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Speaker 1: that was just said by Trump, it would be that

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Speaker 1: because that if you fact check it. I'm sure even

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Speaker 1: Obama at some point it's called you know, the people

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Speaker 1: that the family members of those who are draped in

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know where to end the statement. If he

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Speaker 1: he knows and this is this is a direct reflection

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Speaker 1: of of the media's onslaught on them. You know, they

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Speaker 1: out fire while he's speaking, So instead of getting his

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Speaker 1: because now everything that he comes out of his mouth

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Speaker 1: is scrutinized, like to the highest levels. So now you're

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Speaker 1: you're messing the man up, and you know, getting his

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Speaker 1: hell am I? But if I was him? My guess.

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Speaker 1: You know, at some point you have to sit back

636
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Speaker 1: and realize that some people that are around you that

637
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Speaker 1: are trying to give you advice as how to really

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Speaker 1: get into take that ship is gone. Hold on, that's cold. Yeah,

639
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Speaker 1: so I know. So I thought that was my very

640
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Speaker 1: white frog voice, that's my instructive But a lot of

641
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Speaker 1: guys asked me, how does stats aren't Jones sound in

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Speaker 1: real life? The stats aren't in my book. The heavy

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Speaker 1: for for the book catch this. This is when you see, Yeah,

644
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: this is why he sounds like literally it was so freaky.

645
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Speaker 1: It was like this. It was like, yeah, we're gonna

646
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Speaker 1: play games. Yeah, it's so scary. I'm like, this is

647
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Speaker 1: a grown man. What you talking about that? Yeah, you know,

648
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Speaker 1: this was real life. Like this was like every morning,

649
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Speaker 1: that's it that we hear they have a little nasty

650
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Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, hell girls, dude, what is

651
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Speaker 1: this guy? So yeah, it was crazy. It's freaky man. Um.

652
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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, what we were talking about, oh Trump, Yeah,

653
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Speaker 1: he said, listen to the people around him in his corner, because, um,

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Speaker 1: you're you're the president, like you said before a while,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you were prompted or why you were

656
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Speaker 1: asked why why didn't you why didn't you condemn the

657
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Speaker 1: white nationalists or whatever activities during that situation where the

658
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Speaker 1: individual got ran over, um, you know, and he said,

659
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Speaker 1: I can't really keep condemning people because I'm a president

660
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Speaker 1: of the people and that includes all people. So I

661
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: mean it's a blanket thing. I get it. But he

662
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: really failed on that. We talked about that that day.

663
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Speaker 1: He failed on that opportunity to really unify righteousness, because

664
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Speaker 1: that's just wrong to to kind of like, you know,

665
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Speaker 1: not address that that that ignorance or that you know

666
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: that that that's just it's just wrong. You have to

667
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Speaker 1: address it. You're the president of the people that want

668
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Speaker 1: to do good, want to do well. You know, you

669
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Speaker 1: can draw a line and that's it's okay. You draw

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Speaker 1: a line in the stand between those that don't. So

671
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Speaker 1: listen to the people in your corner when they say,

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Speaker 1: maybe you should have said this is a little bit inflammatory,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it kind of slow your

674
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Speaker 1: role or practice talking a little bit more, you know,

675
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Speaker 1: because that's where you're failing, sir. Honestly, all due respect,

676
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Speaker 1: that's where I think his be like, hey, this is

677
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Speaker 1: what got me elected. And that's the problem that billionaire arrogance.

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Speaker 1: You have to understand, we don't relate to that. This

679
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Speaker 1: isn't a fortune five company, This isn't where it's for profit,

680
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Speaker 1: although it is his government a certain extent at it,

681
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Speaker 1: but it's for advancement, you know. But I get it

682
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't know what's going

683
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Speaker 1: to water. I'm gonna I'm guessing scotch you in a minute. First, anyway,

684
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: we're wrapping up in and but just funny that you

685
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Speaker 1: get so passionate that you lose your fucking voice. But

686
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Speaker 1: my point is like he just really needs to start

687
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Speaker 1: working on his people's skills and with that he I

688
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Speaker 1: think he has the potential to be a great president.

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Speaker 1: He has to stop losing these opportunities. I hear you, Man. Well,

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Speaker 1: I did earlier with Jeff Gonzalez and Jason joined me

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Speaker 1: early on there. But happy birthday man? Anything else before

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Speaker 1: before we go to Jeff Gonzalez interview? Um, no, man,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say thanks to everyone that supports

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Speaker 1: a lot of awesome books too, So thank God for that.

702
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Speaker 1: Like I said, that, this company has really taken um

703
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Speaker 1: extreme care with what I wanted to get get out,

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Speaker 1: the message I wanted to get out, you know, and

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Speaker 1: like I said, it's his life. You can't please everybody

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Speaker 1: right in life, you can't. You just can only live

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708
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709
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Speaker 1: and he addressed that earlier, so you know, that's in

710
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 1: every aspect of life. So what I want to say

711
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712
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Speaker 1: you know. And I appreciate and love everyone that has

714
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716
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Speaker 1: you know, they felt that they were like yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I gave him that affirmation. Yeah, Ship, I was the man,

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Speaker 1: you know. So I love that because that's what we need.

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Speaker 1: favorite of the show, Navy Seal Shooting instructor Jeff Gonzalez

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Speaker 1: back on the podcast. It has actually been quite sometime

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Speaker 1: since we've had Jeff on, and I'm really excited to

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Speaker 1: speak with Jeff again, even though it'll be you know,

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Speaker 1: a quick update. I know that you're busy, Jeff Gonzalez,

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Speaker 1: former Navy Seal owner of Trident Concepts or Try Try

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Speaker 1: to have you back, man. I haven't actually spoken to

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Speaker 1: you and probably over a year. It's been a while,

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Speaker 1: and thanks. I'm happy to be back on the show.

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Speaker 1: Really excited. You know, it's great to see how both

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Speaker 1: take over the world. Yeah. Actually I did at least

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Speaker 1: a person. Well, um, I really know him off air.

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Speaker 1: So my interaction with him is, you know, he's a

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Speaker 1: of take a step back and I'll ask people, okay, so,

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Speaker 1: and what are you doing to ensure freedom? Okay, thank you. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things where you love

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Speaker 1: He's an avid shooter. He likes to shoot. I feel

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Speaker 1: So I can't really complain. Yeah, Well, the thing is,

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Speaker 1: lot of people. So getting into things that we could

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Speaker 1: Training Committee. Um, and as people know you, you know,

844
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: you have your own company with tried and concepts of

845
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: training people to shoot. So what what what have you

846
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: been up to with them? Well, um, you know, I've

847
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: I've you know again, And the n r A is

848
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: another organization that sometimes rubs people the wrong way but

849
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: again I'll point to, you know, what are you doing

850
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: to support your you know, or ensure your freedom, I

851
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: should say, And I really believe the mission that the

852
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: n r A has um recently. I feel very confident

853
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: in their movement towards really trying to be the you know,

854
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: the best way to put it, it's like the the

855
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: main consortium for you know, education and training for what

856
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: I like to consider to be the average guy on it.

857
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: You know, not necessarily your high end, high speed low

858
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: drag operator, or your swap comp or even the enthusiast

859
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: that goes out there and trains every month, but the

860
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: average person that I believe kind of gets left in

861
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: the cracks. And and here's the reason why I'm so

862
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: happy to be working with them. You know, my new

863
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: position here as director of Training at Ephill Indoor Facility

864
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: in Austin has put me back in touch with the

865
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: first time gun owner and the new shooter and I

866
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: for a good chunk of my training time have been

867
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: spending it with the you know, the other end of

868
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: the spectrum. And it's been very rewarding to get back

869
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: to these roots, if you will, because these are the

870
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: next generation of shooters. They're young, they're they're interested in

871
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: educating themselves. They want to know as much as they

872
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: can to make decisions. So, you know, I feel very

873
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: lucky to be in this place to be working with them.

874
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: So the n r A is doing a very good

875
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: job in that sense. And um, they've been very proactive

876
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: and trying to bring in new ideas and new talent.

877
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: Um me being a part of the new committee there

878
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: is is a good indicator of that. And there are

879
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: several other folks that are out there that part of that.

880
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm expecting some really promising things as we

881
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: move forward. In so, uh, as I said to you,

882
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: Jason Delgado was going to come in, he actually did

883
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: just get here. Which I will not throw Jason under

884
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: the bus. You kind of got asked last minute to

885
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: run in here. Um. But to give you Jason's background,

886
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: Jason is a Marine scott sniper uh MARSK instructor currently

887
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: a tattoo artist. But I figured that that it would

888
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: be cool to have both of you guys on because

889
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: even though this is what you do professionally, I know

890
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: Jason has trained some people and shooting as well outside

891
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: of the military. Um, so I don't know if you

892
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: want to get into kind of your technique of training

893
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: people to shoot Jason, And I'm wondering, like how it

894
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: might differ from a guy like Jeff who who was

895
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: in the Seals. Um, my techniques are to observe. First,

896
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: I have to see what they're doing going wrong, you know,

897
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: so we'll get them on the line. And this is

898
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: if they're already at the point where they're proficient with

899
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: the safety fundamentals, you know what I mean. So if

900
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: they're not there, it's pointless for me to critique on

901
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: their marksmanship, you know what I mean. So I gotta

902
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: make sure they're there at least a baseline. Um. Then

903
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: I just see what I see what the rounds are

904
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: doing down range, you know, and from there I can read,

905
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, consistent patterns, and I know what it looks for,

906
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, if it's too much trigger, too little trigger,

907
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: if it's um you know, inadequate recoil support, you know whatever.

908
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: So I I just I just watch, you know, and

909
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, the target will tell you what's going on.

910
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: You just gotta read it. So sorry about that jumped in, really, man,

911
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: I try to get down here as fast as I can.

912
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, I was I was doing Willie, So do

913
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: you have a different um, a different philosophy than that

914
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: or or do you think because the thing that I'm

915
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: wondering is there is there are a lot of guys

916
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: in this industry who are former special operations military who

917
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: are teaching training courses. So it just makes me wonder, like,

918
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: is there a difference in technique from what a guy

919
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: like Jason is going to show you versus you know,

920
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: what you're going to show someone. There's a couple of things.

921
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: First of all, like, uh, A big thing that I

922
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: always talked to about is is it's one thing to

923
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: hear somebody talk about instructing, but the real question that

924
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: new shooters and particularly need to be asking is why

925
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: is the instructor doing the instructing? So that question that

926
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: people have to ask, and I think, yeah, So it's

927
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: like there's so many people that um are illuminated by

928
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: a brand or a reputation or a particular unit or

929
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: a particular way of life. But and that's great, And

930
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take away anything from any of

931
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: those guys. I'm one of them myself. But what I

932
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: try to encourage the new shooters is you've got to

933
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: understand why is the instructor doing what he's doing, because

934
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: that that ties into passion and purpose. And when you

935
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: have passion and purpose, then all of a sudden and

936
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: all the other material comes comes into place. You know,

937
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: everything that Jason, that you said, correct that's what we

938
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: reference as corrective strategy. All of that is a major

939
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: part of any curriculum that you have, that speech and

940
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: new shooters to advance shooters about how to improve their game.

941
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: So for me, you know, that's like the first stepping stone.

942
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: And I have had this conversation with a lot of

943
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 1: other people like, hey, listen, you know you you're looking

944
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: at a lot of operative options nowadays, and it's hard

945
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: to weed through all of this, particularly as a new

946
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: shoot I mean, look at it. Marketing, the social media.

947
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: I mean when I started out, there wasn't social media,

948
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: there wasn't any of that stuff. You cut your teeth

949
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: by doing it, you know, the hard way, which is

950
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: getting out there and and recruiting students and converting them

951
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: into returns because because if you less social media, tell

952
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: it there's like a thousand you know, gun gods out there,

953
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: and you know that's not true because you know, I

954
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: think and this is alluding to what you're where you're going.

955
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of instructors, but not

956
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: everyone has what it takes to be a teacher. To

957
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: be an instructor, you know, just because you have the

958
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: background doesn't mean you're a teacher. You know, it's a

959
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: totally different aspect of that that industry that people need

960
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: to understand. You have to be able to reach someone

961
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: one on one, understand what their deficiencies are, but also

962
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: get to know them personally, what you know personality wise,

963
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: so you know what works for them, because it's not

964
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: just hey, I know this information, here you go, because

965
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have to deal with frustration. And you know,

966
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: all the all the quirks were teaching, but not everybody

967
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: could do it, you know, And I don't know is

968
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: that is that? Yeah? So oh no, you're absolutely right there.

969
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: There there are a lot of guys, you know, like, um,

970
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: it is hard to to to take the experience that

971
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: that you know, that we have gained in our years

972
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: and to kind of consolidate that into a curriculum. It's hard.

973
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: It's hard to do that. Then to take that curriculum

974
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: and then to be able to convey that to a

975
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: student so that they can really absorb that material, retain it,

976
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: and then apply it if necessary. So the hard part,

977
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, like we do UM, we do instructor selection

978
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: here for our instructor staff about twice a year, and

979
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, we start off with about thirty five resumes,

980
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: and you know, you little through these. You got the

981
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: ones with the fairy dust, the fairy dust on it. Yeah, exactly.

982
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't want. I don't care what the resumes start with.

983
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, what I look for is that, you know,

984
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: first and foremost, Wren, you did you earn your living

985
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: as a professional instructor? That's the first thing. I don't

986
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: care if it was with the Marine Corps, the Cares,

987
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: with the arm Maynal, it was the Navy, of the

988
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Air Force, or with any other institution organization, but did

989
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: you earn your keep as an instructor? Because that to me,

990
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, the military does a really good job of structure.

991
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: You know, that's one thing that we can say, regardless

992
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: of branch, that there exist in all branches great structure.

993
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: So they have that going into it, you know, and

994
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: as we whittle through those that resumes and resumes go

995
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: to interviews. Interviews goes the skills assessment. By the time

996
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: I get to the skills assessment, I can kind of

997
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: tell who are those individuals that are going to have

998
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: the best chance of being able to convey the message

999
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: convey the message because pretty much everybody that made it

1000
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: to my door has the subject matter expertise. I wouldn't

1001
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: be looking at them or talking to them if they

1002
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: didn't have that, and they just have to meet you

1003
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: the extra distance, Yeah, with the with the actual experience

1004
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: in getting the message out as you say, you know,

1005
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: because that's what it's out about at the end of

1006
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: the day. You know, you were not just sitting around

1007
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: for you know, one to three a week, two weeks.

1008
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: You know, if this time frame just to you know,

1009
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: waste time and money and effort, and then they just

1010
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, what what are you doing? Can you get

1011
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: the point to the individual you know, and they need

1012
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: to understand it's not occur it's not It's not like

1013
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: something you just walk in and do. Like you know,

1014
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: you're not like a ticket made or something, you know,

1015
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: going around giving people parking tickets. You don't just step

1016
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: into this career. You know, you have to be able

1017
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: to thrive in it, especially for the brand and when

1018
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a huge point that you bring in.

1019
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: You know, you have to be able, you really do.

1020
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: And I think that's where you see the good instructors

1021
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: from the mediocre instructors. They are the instructors like we

1022
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: we talk about this in our like like we have.

1023
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: You know, our reputation is pretty much um standard. You know,

1024
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna come in and you're gonna be faced

1025
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: with some very challenging standards that you have to be

1026
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: and and that that's just the way it is. But

1027
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: at the same time, I have an obligation to ensure

1028
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: that that student has a positive experience. And we define

1029
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: positive as they're able to meet those standards. And so

1030
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: when they leave the class with a positive experience, they

1031
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: go home, they want to practice, they want to keep

1032
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: getting better, They get that fire in the gut to

1033
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: want to improve. And you know, eventually what happens is

1034
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: we as instructors, we put are we basically put ourselves

1035
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: out of a job because we have created in the

1036
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: student that urge to learn and gain knowledge and practice

1037
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: and all that other business. And eventually they become I

1038
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: mean at some point, the students are going to go

1039
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: off on their own. You know what, what when does

1040
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: that happen? I don't know, but we see it where

1041
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: a student has just kind of gone to the point

1042
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: where they feel like they can do it on their own,

1043
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: and maybe occasionally they'll pop into it. Well, well, let's

1044
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure you're not you're not um um,

1045
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: you're you're your knowledgeable of a lot of the instructors

1046
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: in the soulcon community believe it or not, come from

1047
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: like a civilian background, you know. Some of them they

1048
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: the guest instructors. So it blows my mind that you

1049
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: bring that up, because it's true. We're giving them all

1050
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: these jewels and then eventually, you know, padawan will become

1051
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: the master, you know what I mean, And they're gonna

1052
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: go out and they're gonna start their own shooting courses.

1053
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Like I see guys all the time online that are

1054
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: no military back. I think one guy is a priest,

1055
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: and this guy has like one of the fastest appendix

1056
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: draws I've seen in my life for a priest. Styles

1057
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: that's a bad priest right there. So yeah, I I

1058
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: I completely agree. We're gonna we're so good we're gonna

1059
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: run ourselves out of work, and that's okay, because there's

1060
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: plenty of work there. There's always gonna be there. You know.

1061
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: One of the things that that I am starting to

1062
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: really appreciate is my position right now, are most and uh, Jason,

1063
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: I was saying this before you came on the show,

1064
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: but are our most popular clientele that we see right

1065
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: now are new gun owners, new shooters, first time gun owners,

1066
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: and new shooters. They you have to you have to

1067
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: get excited about them going the extra mile to want

1068
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: to become proficient at it. That's crazy for someone to

1069
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: realize they're like, Okay, there's a whole level to this,

1070
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: and then seek you out to bring them to that level. Man.

1071
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: That's yeah, you know that you you you have to

1072
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: you have to be able to play along with that

1073
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: because that's that's you know, that's attributing to the responsibility

1074
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: of gun ownership in America. And that's a big deal.

1075
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: Like it starts at you, and that's that's that's pretty

1076
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: awesome if you think about it. And that's what I

1077
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: was trying to say. It's like, um, like the most

1078
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: like we're dealing with a whole new generation of sorts

1079
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: of people, these this generation, they are truly interested in education,

1080
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: and they are small people, at least the people in

1081
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: this area, not to say the people throughout the country

1082
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: or not, but we typically have a very high tech

1083
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: industry here in the central Texas area. Austin UM and

1084
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: so all of um, you know, I should say, oh,

1085
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: but the good majority of these people have the common

1086
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: sense to know, Okay, you know what I don't know,

1087
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: and this is what I love. More of them have

1088
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: the idea of that old mantra. You know, if you

1089
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: knew that you didn't know anything, you would be knowledgeable.

1090
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: And and they a lot of these people have that

1091
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: kind of content. They're like, I don't know anything about

1092
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: gun that I want to learn. I want to get

1093
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: I want to be able to protect myself and want

1094
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: to be able to have a gun in my home.

1095
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: I want to be able to protect my family. And

1096
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: they realize they lack those skills. And another thing too,

1097
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: that I know you you can appreciate this, Jason, is

1098
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: that there's not quite so much of the alpha mentality

1099
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: in a lot of these people because they're just it's

1100
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: already it's already established when your background with your you know,

1101
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: because you know, there's people out there that been through

1102
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: your courses and they say, Okay, this is who he is.

1103
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I can't. You know, you can't. You

1104
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: can't praise yourself in front of other people. So your work,

1105
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: you know, your your reputation, your reputation precedes you. And

1106
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: now the students that you start to acquire down the line,

1107
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: are you know, bright eyed, bushy tail and wow, that

1108
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: makes the experience of teaching that much better. You know, yeah,

1109
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: I agree, I appreciate it really does. And and and

1110
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: that's that's what I really enjoy the most, is that

1111
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: we're now and like you and like I like how

1112
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: you phrase that, you know, teachers, because that's how we

1113
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: look at ourselves. We look at ourselves as educators, where

1114
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: we consider ourselves a schoolhouse. We we don't look ourselves

1115
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: as the range. We're schoolhouse. We have educators and teachers. Um,

1116
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: you know our goal and we provide the instruction. But

1117
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you there there's physics involved,

1118
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: there's science involved, you know, there there's physiology involved. It

1119
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: is an academy. It is a school. You're learning a lot,

1120
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: you're learning about you're learning about mindset, you're learning about

1121
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: the physiology or your body when is in at high

1122
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: stressed environment. Yeah, your teaching your this is an academy.

1123
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, this is the real deal. And that's the

1124
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: thing that we have really embraced here and in the

1125
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: last three or four years, we've really kind of taken that,

1126
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: We've taken on that responsibility of trying to shift away

1127
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: because unfortunately, there is a negative stigma assigned to Pius.

1128
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, we can't dispute that, but the way that

1129
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: we counter it, and this is one of the things

1130
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: that I encourage any of the new instructors coming up

1131
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: in the businesses is to be open about it and

1132
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: to be engaging and to to put yourself in a

1133
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: different position as an educator, because when you can communicate

1134
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: with the opposing view from an educational point of view,

1135
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: like wait a minute, I'm here, I'm going to talk

1136
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: about education, it really kind of steals a lot of

1137
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: the toxicity that they would have towards you because you're

1138
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: just you're at this point, you're an educator. Yeah, never

1139
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: mind the fact that I might have been, uh, you know,

1140
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: a military member, or I'm a police officer or you know,

1141
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: God for did I'm a freedom loving American. I'm at

1142
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: this point when I'm communicating with you, I'm an educator,

1143
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: and my job is to try to educate you, and

1144
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: I expect you to do the same thing to me.

1145
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: I want you to educate me on your point of

1146
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: view so that I can make an informed decision. And

1147
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: the moment that we start those conversations in that manner,

1148
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: it changes things. It really does. Like you're either gonna

1149
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna learn real quick like this guy, Uh, there's

1150
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: not gonna be any value in this conversation whatsoever. Right,

1151
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: It's just like the wall has come up and there's

1152
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: no bother there's no point in going forward. But the

1153
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: other times, and that's the beautiful thing about Austin, Dean In, Uh,

1154
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: you know where we're at. In Austin, there's a there's

1155
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: a liberal slant, and we get folks that I've in Austin.

1156
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: Austin is like a mini San Diego was the same

1157
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: amount of bums. Yes, yes, so we get we get

1158
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are curious, they want to learn,

1159
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: they want to know more. And that's why education is

1160
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: so so important. And I got a bottom line, it's

1161
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry disclaimer out there for my sensitive audience members. Um,

1162
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean bums because they're like the youngest homeless people

1163
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: I've seen in my life. They're like twenty two and homeless.

1164
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: What what? What? What the most expensive guitar in the world?

1165
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: You know, get it? Am I right? Is that not awesome?

1166
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: It could? You know? I haven't seen that yet, but

1167
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: I with the most expressive guitar. But I'm sure it's

1168
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: out there. I am sure you know. And and it's like,

1169
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't worry about whether or not.

1170
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: You know, we have this conversation earlier today. I don't

1171
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: worry about whether or not. What I worry about. What

1172
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: I worried the most about is there are people that

1173
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: are out there that want to learn, that are interested

1174
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: genuinely in improving their knowledge base as it relates to

1175
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: firearms and firearm usage. And what I'm worry about is

1176
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: that they're being deprived of good source of information by

1177
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: the opposing view right there, just shutting it down. There,

1178
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: They're they're saying there's no value in it, which is

1179
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: the exact opposite. I mean, let's talk let's talk about policy.

1180
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: Let's talk about strategy at one point? Has absolutism ever helped?

1181
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean, let's look at the war on drugs? How

1182
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: effective was the war on drugs as far as absolutism? Um? Really, so,

1183
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, the whole their whole strategy needs to change,

1184
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: and just they want to be successful here because there

1185
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: are more people that are interested in educating themselves than

1186
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: just following the party line and saying, oh, all guns

1187
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: are evil, they must be destroyed. You know. So we're

1188
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: seeing that shift in our demographics here locally because we

1189
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of people that are just that, you know,

1190
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: that's the thing that we talk about. You know, we

1191
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: cater to a different clientele. That clientele are interested in

1192
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: educating themselves to make their own minds of Yeah, absolutely so, Jeff,

1193
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: I I know that you're limited on time. If this

1194
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: is the last thing that we could get to, you

1195
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: could just let me know. But um, with the Vegas shooting,

1196
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: I know that unfortunately, when these type of events happen

1197
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: in an industry like yours, you know, it's unfortunate circumstances,

1198
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: but it seems like it boots up the gun industry

1199
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: and the training industry. So I'm just wondering for one,

1200
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: what advice would you give to people who are in

1201
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: a disastrous situation like that where they need to be prepared?

1202
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: And also just what have you seen with your business

1203
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: post the Vegas shooting? Has it affected tried and concepts

1204
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: in any way? Um So the advice that's a tough one,

1205
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: because you know, how can you prepare for something like that?

1206
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you really can outside of just your

1207
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: everyday carry mindset, you know, like you just you know,

1208
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing that you could have carried into that

1209
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: establishment that I think would have made a difference from

1210
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: the firearm perspective. So what I put, what I pushed

1211
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: very strongly is um more on the side of medical,

1212
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: like what can you do medically to help prepare for

1213
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: some of those types of events? I think I think

1214
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: that that's probably the best, Like the most discussions that

1215
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: I've had post Vegas have had to deal with and

1216
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: this is the case for many of these events. You

1217
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: look at the Boston Marathon, you look at some of

1218
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: these other mass shootings, UM and what really helps is

1219
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: timely medical treatment. That's what saves lives of those that

1220
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: were potentially bleeding out. They were savable, you know, they

1221
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: they could have survived had they had access to the treatment.

1222
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: But they could have probably survived at least if they

1223
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: had medical treatment on the on site and there was

1224
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: there's dozens of stories of of people being able to

1225
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: apply you know whatever however you want to call a

1226
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: teacher will see you know, you know, combat medicine or

1227
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: just basic first day, they probably saved more people from dying.

1228
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: So that would be my my advice to seek out

1229
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: some medical training and then you know, if you are

1230
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: interested in protecting yourself, it's it's a I think it's

1231
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: more of a mindset issue than like what kind of

1232
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: weapons should I carry? What kind of knife should I have?

1233
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: I think the first thing that people have to do

1234
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: is acknowledge that we live in a dangerous world. Violence

1235
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: is all around us, and I need to do something.

1236
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: I need to do something to protect myself. And what

1237
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: is that? Um? I think it starts with the mindset,

1238
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, being able to acknowledge that and and just

1239
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of come over that. And once you get over

1240
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: that hill, well that's it's yeah, because the possibility, the

1241
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: thought is there, so in in in in a situation

1242
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: when you were when you already know something is above

1243
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: baseline or out of the ordinary. Your your your brain

1244
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: is telling you this is a possibility, and then from

1245
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: that point you can react because you're not going to

1246
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: go into that initial shock of trying to absorb what's

1247
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: happening to you while it's happening to you. So I agree,

1248
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: I bare minimum people need to understand that there's a

1249
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that can happen to one

1250
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: out there that you have to stay sharp. You know,

1251
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: when people throw around that term stay frosty, you know,

1252
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: they think it's a cute thing, but at the end

1253
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: of the day, it really is about that. It's about

1254
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: being aware, you know, and not being vulnerable. So you know, Um,

1255
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: if you have more time, I would like to continue,

1256
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: but if not, we can you know, we can end

1257
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: it there. That's what you know, if you want, it's

1258
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: up to you. I feel like that. Okay, So what

1259
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: I want to ask you because because you're you're you're

1260
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: in a you're in a position, a leadership position, right

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Speaker 1: obviously you're you're you're the head of your schoolhouse. Um,

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Speaker 1: do do you have mannerisms that that's similar to maybe

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Speaker 1: like Jacko waking up like zero four thirty in the

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Speaker 1: morning every day or or you know, there are they things?

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Speaker 1: Are they things you do like you know to shape

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Speaker 1: your your lifestyle so that you know you're coming in

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Speaker 1: with that mindset? You know, what do you do to

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Speaker 1: sharpen your mindset? I don't have anything that's really black

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Speaker 1: and white. It's it's several things for me, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: as as as a father, you know, I look at

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Speaker 1: how to protect my my family. That's that's always been

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Speaker 1: a prime directive, you know. So I always am thinking

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Speaker 1: about what how do I do that? And that requires

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Speaker 1: you know, tools, that requires training. Even in my position,

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Speaker 1: that still requires tools and training. Um, you know, when

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Speaker 1: I think about how can I do that better? And

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Speaker 1: how can I improve past? You know, I guess it's

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Speaker 1: the same intirely that I have from the Navy's side

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Speaker 1: of the house, which is, you know, I need to

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Speaker 1: be able to do my job better than anybody lest

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Speaker 1: even my own teammates. And so in this case, my

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Speaker 1: job just transfers over to protecting my family and now

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Speaker 1: taking that information and provided into other families to be

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Speaker 1: able to use as well. Um, how I do that?

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Speaker 1: You know, I train, continue to train. I don't get

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Speaker 1: probably too often but I believe very strongly in physical preparedness.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent for that, So I do feel

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Speaker 1: like that's a critical element that's missing its insights. It's

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Speaker 1: so bad that when I am asked by students what

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Speaker 1: can I do to get better as a shooter, in

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Speaker 1: my head a lot of times I'm thinking, you just

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Speaker 1: need to get stronger. That's what you need to do. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's true. Most of the time people will benefit time

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Speaker 1: just being healthier, fit, or stronger, faster and well a

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Speaker 1: lot of yeah, a lot of shooting, you know, does

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Speaker 1: does uh engage your core. So the stronger your core,

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Speaker 1: the more accurate you can become as well. So, hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. Didn't

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Speaker 1: mean to keep you going. Man, I'm sorry, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry yes for you know it's it's it's all good. Idea.

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Speaker 1: Once again, thanks for doing this, Jeff, once again. Jeff

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Speaker 1: is a former Navy seal owner of Tried and Concepts,

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Speaker 1: also known as tri Con Tried and Concepts dot com.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I could speak highly of the shirts.

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Speaker 1: The shirts are badass. That's a pimp name con. If

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Speaker 1: you saw the shirts that I'm wearing in the Rob

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Speaker 1: O'Neil interview. The red shirt. That's one of the shirts.

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Speaker 1: Um so once again member of the n r a

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Speaker 1: IS Education and Trading Committee. You could follow Tried and

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Speaker 1: concept Congratulations on on Instagram at Trident Concepts on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: at Jeff L. Gonzalez on Twitter at j L Underscore

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Speaker 1: Gonzalez on Instagram, and the website is Tried and Concepts

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Speaker 1: dot com. Thanks again for doing this, Jeff. Next time

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Speaker 1: we'll go longer. Am I going to see you at

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Speaker 1: a shot show? Absolutely? Yeah, I will absolutely be there. Gonzales.

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Speaker 1: What was that last name? You Mexican? Caribbean? Wait, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually American. I'm American too. Where does the name

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Speaker 1: come from? Man? Every everything, that's the standards, everybody. Um,

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Speaker 1: it goes you know, my trail goes all the way

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Speaker 1: back to So it starts to Texas, goes alla to Mexico,

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Speaker 1: goes all the way to Sweet oh sweet man. Right on, brother,

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Speaker 1: like to see another brown guy in the community. You

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Speaker 1: know what's up? Brown? All right? Brother, thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming on the show. I really appreciate it. Man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jeff, you bet you guys all right to appreciate

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