WEBVTT - MAJOR UPDATE: FDA Apologizes, Admits False Positive Test For Cyclospora 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there are folks, it is Monday, July twentieth. Then

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<v Speaker 1>pull the toilet paper. We got folks set up shop

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<v Speaker 1>on toilets all over the country. We're being told we

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<v Speaker 1>need to avoid this, let us at certain places. Taco

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<v Speaker 1>Bell stock continues to go down. And now what is

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government telling us? We got a false positive

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<v Speaker 1>on our cyclospora test? And with that, welcome to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Amy and TJ. Does it even matter what

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<v Speaker 1>they tell us next?

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<v Speaker 2>No, And that's a hell of a whoopsie, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was what twenty four hours they have identified

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<v Speaker 2>the source. And look, we even threw caution out there

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<v Speaker 2>that yes, they identified a source, maybe not the source

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<v Speaker 2>they were able to they claimed on Saturday link much

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<v Speaker 2>of this outbreak, or at least a big portion of

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<v Speaker 2>this outbreak to a specific food producer that had a

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<v Speaker 2>farm in Mexico that sold iceberg lettuce to Taco Bell

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<v Speaker 2>in five states.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're getting somewhere. Except for now they.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, never mind, that was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>We're sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>We actually don't have any idea where the cyclospora source

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<v Speaker 2>is coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here we go, folks, So if we it makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a difficult statement to make, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is one they wanted to be clear. On robes. They

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<v Speaker 1>have not gotten a single test back from any plant

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere testing any food that is positive for cyclospora. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the truth as we wake up here on this

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<v Speaker 1>Monday morning. They were robes. They could still with some

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<v Speaker 1>degree of what I don't know if it's certainty, but

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<v Speaker 1>be optimistic about the way things are going from all

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<v Speaker 1>these interviews that the CDC was doing. It's not fool proof,

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<v Speaker 1>but they at least thought they were on the right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, because the CDC was tracing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, much like we all remember from the days

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<v Speaker 2>of COVID where they did contact tracing. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find who patient zero is, or at least find what

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<v Speaker 2>or who the source was. The same idea exists. They

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to trace back based on folks eating habits,

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<v Speaker 2>their food diary so to speak, that they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to put together for the past two weeks and find

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<v Speaker 2>some commonality, and that commonality was pointing towards taco bell

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<v Speaker 2>And when they looked to see what folks ate, they

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<v Speaker 2>tried to yes, based on verbal evidence, basically folks telling

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<v Speaker 2>them what they ate. Say, hey, the one thing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these people all had in common is they

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<v Speaker 2>ate a product with this Iceberg lettuce on it.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's anecdotal, it's not scientific.

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<v Speaker 2>And so with that, in combination with this what they

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<v Speaker 2>thought was a positive test from lettuce, they were able

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<v Speaker 2>to make this big announcement that yes, we have determined

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<v Speaker 2>or found a source.

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Farms reacted to that pulled everything they don't they pulled?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they not pull all of their well from this farm?

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, I can tell you here are the

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<v Speaker 2>actions that were taken based on this information where we

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<v Speaker 2>were given. Just a short while ago, Tailor Farms voluntarily

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<v Speaker 2>removed all Iceberg lettuce source from Mexico from twenty seven states.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're not just talking about Taco Bell. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about every place they sent that lettuce to. They voluntarily

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<v Speaker 2>recalled it. Taco Bell removed all affected Tailor Farms lettuce

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<v Speaker 2>from its restaurants, put out a big statement saying, you

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<v Speaker 2>can eat at our restaurants again, we have no lettuce

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<v Speaker 2>from Tailor Farms. Walmart even announced over the weekend they

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<v Speaker 2>removed four market side bagged Iceberg lettuce salad products.

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<v Speaker 3>These are big salad kits.

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<v Speaker 2>That are they have the label of the Walmart label

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<v Speaker 2>on it, but it actually is manufactured by Tailor Farms.

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<v Speaker 2>So they took out and they made it clear, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a precautionary move. There's no confirmed illnesses, but

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<v Speaker 2>out of an abundance of caution, we're taking all of

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<v Speaker 2>these products off of our store shelf. So a lot

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<v Speaker 2>was done in response to what our government was telling us.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's possible that this is correct. It's possible

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<v Speaker 1>this is still the farm. This is possible, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>roads through the trade. But don't they need to find

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<v Speaker 1>don't they need to confirm it's coming from there before

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<v Speaker 1>we know how to go about our eating lies.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to And yes, they did say they are

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<v Speaker 2>still following through with these recalls, and you should still assume,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps that they are close to identifying a source. So

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<v Speaker 2>they aren't stopping the recall, they aren't stopping the removal

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<v Speaker 2>of those products, and they're not telling people to go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and eat those products. No, they are still standing

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<v Speaker 2>by the original direction that they gave the country. But

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<v Speaker 2>it is incredible, confusing and erodes a very I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know if there was trust right now, at least

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<v Speaker 2>in our government agencies, pretty much any of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the level of trust we have for our government,

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<v Speaker 2>for the folks who were supposed to be protecting us

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<v Speaker 2>on all accounts, on all fronts, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But wherever it was, it just got worse.

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<v Speaker 2>I think to read the FDA statement is appropriate right

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<v Speaker 2>now because this is what they had to say.

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<v Speaker 3>This is pretty remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you recall, by the way, the last time a

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<v Speaker 2>government agency said we made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? That was a time in ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I did say, someone say, this showed incredible courage. No,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what you're supposed to do. I hate applauding.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct I saw a scientist in one of the articles

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<v Speaker 2>I might have been the Washington Post saying, Hey, this

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<v Speaker 2>actually should be applauded. This as courageous to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to admit a mistake, something to that effect, And I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, isn't that what we should expect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, don't award your kid for being polite that you're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to. I taught you to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I took total issue without Okay, here's the FDA

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<v Speaker 2>statement the FDA is providing an update regarding this sample

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<v Speaker 2>of lettuce supplied by Taylor Farms of Mexico, which was

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<v Speaker 2>reported positive on July eighteenth, twenty twenty six. Due to

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<v Speaker 2>the complexity in detection of cyclospora, FDA laboratory experts re

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<v Speaker 2>reviewed the sample results and have concluded that the finding

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<v Speaker 2>does not represent true amplification and should be considered a

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<v Speaker 2>false positive. Information about the sample has been removed from

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<v Speaker 2>the update. The FDA has notified Taylor Farms and continues

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<v Speaker 2>working with the firm to ensure product implicated in this

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<v Speaker 2>outbreak has been removed from the market. FDA and state

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<v Speaker 2>partners continue to collect and analyze product sample and here's

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<v Speaker 2>the big line. As of July nineteenth, twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>there are no confirmed positive sample results for product testing

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<v Speaker 2>for cyclospora.

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<v Speaker 3>I have some questions. They re reviewed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why Why wouldn't they have done that before they issued

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<v Speaker 2>the announcement.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm confused timing. I don't know how the testing goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there is that's possible, but that is something you

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<v Speaker 1>don't go public with unless you know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so too, and Also, the science is complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Testing for this organism is difficult, and false positives are

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<v Speaker 2>always possible. So what can we trust when you hear

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<v Speaker 2>these types of phrases. I always thought science was the

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<v Speaker 2>thing we could count on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. False positives are possible when you figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out for sure. That's when you let me know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to be let known something in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the process if things could change. And because

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<v Speaker 2>I am not a scientist, you are going to confuse

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<v Speaker 2>me even more.

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<v Speaker 1>We just had you just told us, hey, this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>has cyclospora, but you didn't put in parentheses. We won't

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<v Speaker 1>be sure though for a couple of days. Why didn't

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<v Speaker 1>just give us a heads up? This could be a

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<v Speaker 1>false positive, but the preliminary results that bro is never

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<v Speaker 1>The crime is to cover up. It's yes, we have

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<v Speaker 1>problems in the system, but now the problem is how

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<v Speaker 1>we're communicating what the problem is. I get it. I

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<v Speaker 1>know there are fewer people keeping an eye out for

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<v Speaker 1>diseases like this, and things and outbreaks maybe happen more

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<v Speaker 1>and can't get called us fast. This I understand, But

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<v Speaker 1>when they happen, now you're making it worse. We got

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<v Speaker 1>numbers kind of out of Michigan. Why are they coming

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<v Speaker 1>out much faster than the ones we're getting from the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government, who we're all supposed to be listening to.

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<v Speaker 1>Even that is causing confusion through this whole thing. The

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<v Speaker 1>lettuce is here, it is there? Is there a raspberry

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<v Speaker 1>or a snowpee? Or is there a bag let us?

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<v Speaker 1>Should I cut the head? Bro?

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<v Speaker 3>Should I have cilantro? Can I have peak of the guy?

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<v Speaker 3>I QUACAMOLEA know what?

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<v Speaker 1>And here we go again? Who has stepped out? Who

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<v Speaker 1>is leading the charge on this tropes? Who's a public

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<v Speaker 1>face and is giving us information?

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<v Speaker 3>No one wants it to be that would be my answer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know that they have the body count

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<v Speaker 2>to provide that because they don't have the resources they

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<v Speaker 2>had before. Taylor Farm's statement was swift and they want

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<v Speaker 2>to make things very clear. I thought this was fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>The first it's a big green message with white bold lettering,

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<v Speaker 2>and the first sentence is today FDA apologized to us. Yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>FDA informed Taylor Fresh Foods that one of its iceberg

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<v Speaker 2>lettuce products from Central Mexico had a confirmed positive test.

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<v Speaker 3>For cyclist SPORA.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, we were informed that the FDA made a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>and this was a false positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Look.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, to be clear, at this moment, the FDA

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<v Speaker 2>has not identified a single positive product test result for cyclists.

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<v Speaker 2>So they put this in bold, and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that does tremendous damage, obviously to a company.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering if this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad enough where this could put someone or at least

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<v Speaker 2>a farm, or certainly people who work on that farm

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<v Speaker 2>out of a job or out of business.

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<v Speaker 3>But they put this in bold in their statement.

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<v Speaker 2>All other tailor farm products, including all Tailor Farm brand products,

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<v Speaker 2>are not involved in the recall. And they said, our

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts remain with everyone who has fallen ill in this outbreak.

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<v Speaker 2>We are committed to working with public health authorities as

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<v Speaker 2>the ongoing.

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<v Speaker 3>Outbreak investigation continues.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, this is this is tough for everybody. This is

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<v Speaker 2>especially tough for tailor farms. And it's not to say

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<v Speaker 2>that they're not a part of this. They could still

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<v Speaker 2>be a part of this. But wow, this is unbelievably damaging.

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<v Speaker 1>Two. I thought when I saw this statement, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was unbelievably damaging to the FDA, and its relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with American Public. The company has come out and they

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<v Speaker 1>know good and hell well what this means. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean they're in the clear. They know this, They know

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<v Speaker 1>that they probably even know the stuff likely came from them.

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<v Speaker 1>They know what we don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been involved in outbreaks before.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a big echol I want a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>so they have been down this road.

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<v Speaker 3>They know that this is possible and even likely in

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<v Speaker 3>some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But they led with the thing that was true, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it is misleading, but it's the most positive thing

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<v Speaker 1>that came from it. The FDA did apologize to an

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<v Speaker 1>oopsie to them. They took that and made it the headline,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes it seem as if we are innocent in

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<v Speaker 1>this entire matter and the FDA has cleared us. No no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not at all. But they took that was that was

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<v Speaker 1>written like a Hollywood PR person.

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<v Speaker 2>Not absolutely, it was like a big movie scroll. And

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<v Speaker 2>to your point, babe, when we come back, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the eroded public trust and that big statement.

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<v Speaker 2>People had plenty of comments following that statement. They weren't

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<v Speaker 2>positive towards Taylor Farm. And wait until you hear about

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<v Speaker 2>the CDC cuts that potentially led up to this massive

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<v Speaker 2>cyclospora outbreak, and welcome back everyone to this episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Amy and TJ. Looks like we are back to square

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<v Speaker 2>one trying to find the source of this cyclost spora

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<v Speaker 2>outbreak that we know has sickened at least seven thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people across the country. It is already the largest cyclospora

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<v Speaker 2>outbreak in US history, And go ahead and multiply that

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<v Speaker 2>number by two or three. That's probably a more realistic

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<v Speaker 2>situation in terms of how many people are dealing with this.

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<v Speaker 2>And we haven't even gotten the updated numbers from over

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend. So all this to say, this has been

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<v Speaker 2>an incredibly uncomfortable, difficult, and perhaps an unnecessary outbreak. It

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<v Speaker 2>began back in May. We know that in Michigan, and look,

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<v Speaker 2>CNN is reporting about some significant lab cuts. The head

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<v Speaker 2>of the lab has been speaking out. He resigned. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even really remember this, but I guess I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of do. Back in September, he was so upset because

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<v Speaker 2>his staff went from eleven to three, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>the lab that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>Supposed to identify parasitic outbreaks. Coincidence, he thinks, not.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure the timing is suspect.

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<v Speaker 3>Three people are in charge of this lab right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this lab that has three people in it that

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<v Speaker 2>now reevaluated the results and realized.

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<v Speaker 3>That it was a false positive.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know. Sounds like you would want more.

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<v Speaker 2>But he describes this outbreak as the perfect storm because

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<v Speaker 2>one percent he actually sent an email emails out to

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<v Speaker 2>the CDC about the risks of losing basically his entire

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<v Speaker 2>staff and is the reason behind him actually resigning his

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<v Speaker 2>position because he did not want to be in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of something if an outbreak were to occur. Fast forward

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<v Speaker 2>a few months and here we are in July, way

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<v Speaker 2>behind the curve of the CDC. Numbers are way behind

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<v Speaker 2>what state officials are reporting.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>They are behind the curve here, and it could absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>be part of the reason why we're so behind and

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<v Speaker 2>identifying a source.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how anyone could argue with that. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're telling me the guy who's in there correct

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming out and giving his opinion about it, then

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<v Speaker 1>I'd have to listen to him. But right now, Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>we can fix that problem later. Right now, we just

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<v Speaker 1>got to find this one. I am very curious to

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<v Speaker 1>know what the numbers are when they do get them

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<v Speaker 1>out today. Are they going to slow down? Is this

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<v Speaker 1>thing spreading even more? Is it going to be forty

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<v Speaker 1>two states? I mean, what is going on? We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where this stuff is. We don't even know for

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<v Speaker 1>sure what thus.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, we're supposed to be looking for meantime, everyone's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the time of your people love to eat

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<v Speaker 3>fresh produce.

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<v Speaker 2>You want that salad, you want those fruits, you want

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<v Speaker 2>those veggies, you want that basil. And I guess this

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<v Speaker 2>is the time. My dad pointed this out, who is

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<v Speaker 2>a microologist. It's a great time to have a yard

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<v Speaker 2>in a garden, because that'd be the only way I

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<v Speaker 2>would trust the produce that I was eating. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just looking at some of the comments at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of that tailor Farm's big statement, basically pointing

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<v Speaker 2>the finger right back at the government. And look, some

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<v Speaker 2>people said, I just threw away two bags of salad

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<v Speaker 2>kits for no reason. I mean, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>wasted produce, a lot of wasted money. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>folks are tough, some people, A lot of this we

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe you were lies. Must be nice to have

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<v Speaker 2>the president in your pocket and take zero accountability. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of people are posting the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they claim Taylor Farms gave a million dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>MAGA this past spring, and they're saying that. So the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of my point is, no one trusts Taylor Farms,

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<v Speaker 2>no one trusts the government.

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<v Speaker 3>One person put up there.

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<v Speaker 2>The CEO and the FDA commissioner should eat a random

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<v Speaker 2>bag of Taylor lettuce from the shelf on camera live.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I'll believe them.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be awesome. That is a brilliant freaking idea.

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<v Speaker 1>It's low risk for whoever's eating it. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>chances are right.

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<v Speaker 3>That was my favorite post. That's what I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. The CEO of Taylor Farms and the FDA commissioners

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<v Speaker 2>should eat a random bag of Taylor letters from the

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<v Speaker 2>shelf on camera live.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you do? How could you help this situation?

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<v Speaker 1>Just throw a slid brunch something major. Oh that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yes, so look, we will wait to hear more

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<v Speaker 2>from officials, But the problem is, even once we do,

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<v Speaker 2>are they going to be believed? What we are at

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<v Speaker 2>a place now where I think this is the lowest

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen in terms of trust, trust for anyone

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<v Speaker 2>and with anyone, and including every single government agency right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is of serious public health concern.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd listen to Fauci right now. And who is the

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<v Speaker 1>lady that had the scars all the time the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>was he? I would listen to her right now on

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<v Speaker 1>this one. They would be great. Nobody's dying? Have this

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<v Speaker 1>country not a problem? Oh my goodness, Yes, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>We just need a voice, trusted voice, I say, a

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<v Speaker 1>trusted voice. I would just say a trusted position, or

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<v Speaker 1>a trusted uniform, or a trusted something we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to even know as a whole background. We need someone

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<v Speaker 1>in a position of authority that we go, okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a partisan bullshit, or we can listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that They have a huge pr

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<v Speaker 2>problem right now and public health including you know RFK

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<v Speaker 2>Junior as controversial as all as all of his statements

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<v Speaker 2>have been.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, I really like, who do we look to,

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<v Speaker 3>Who is the medical voice of reason? Who is that

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<v Speaker 3>public health official who we can and I'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, okay, we're getting it straight from this person, from

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the Health and Human Services who is

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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the biggest lightning rods in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>political discourse. I mean, who do we look to at

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<v Speaker 2>this point? I don't think we have the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't heard from.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's doctor Oze? Where are they?

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<v Speaker 2>Someone needs to come out from this administration and make

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<v Speaker 2>some sense of all of these confusing headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you'd be the face of cyclospora.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe you could just be the voice of

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<v Speaker 2>it right yes, it of public health and trust and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a void right now and folks are really really

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<v Speaker 2>looking for some answers. We'll continue to stay on top

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<v Speaker 2>of the story as it continues to change hour by hour.

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<v Speaker 2>We always appreciate you listening to us, every one. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Amy Roboch alongside DJ Holmes.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk to you some.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. Tim