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Speaker 1: Front of the program, he's Joe Marino. Joe, what's going on? Then? Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. Hope you're doing well, and

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Speaker 1: uh tell tell the folks about your podcast too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Draft Dudes is the podcast we talked

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Speaker 1: draft all year long, roster construction, we focus a lot

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Speaker 1: of draft capital and real shifting identity, so we love

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Speaker 1: talking about that and of course locked on Bills daily

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Speaker 1: you go check those out. Um, I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff's happening with free agency, franchise tags. Daniel Jones say,

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Speaker 1: Quon Barkley, we're gonna focus on the Combine on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Would do a different huddle later in the week where

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Speaker 1: we're gonna cover all that stuff, but in terms of

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Speaker 1: sure they stay tuned for that. And if you missed it,

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Speaker 1: go check out all the content we had from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine three episode four episodes rather a Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live seven Giant Huddle podcast over twenty five guests.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, Charles Davis go down the list. A lot

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live. All right, Joe and folks, By

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Speaker 1: the way, we're gonna do kind of a Giant centric

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Speaker 1: review of the combine here. If you're looking for a

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Speaker 1: more general thing, go find Draft Season our Draft podcast

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Speaker 1: me and Tony Pauline that posted on Monday. We kind

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Speaker 1: specifically with Joe. All right, so Joe, let's start here

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Speaker 1: with the wide receivers. Giant fans looking for weapons. How,

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position is very interesting. When he comes

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Speaker 1: today yeah yeah, still yeah. Jilanni woods So did not

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Speaker 1: look like a super fluid guy. How Washington ran a

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Speaker 1: four oh eight short shuttle, I have no I can't

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Speaker 1: even fathom it. I need to find a video of that,

432
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Speaker 1: if you like teleported or what he did because just

433
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Speaker 1: the way I saw him moving around, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how that's possible. And holy count, that number translates to

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Speaker 1: the field. You know, I think with players like him,

436
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Speaker 1: I think you're correct and that they're not necessarily moving

437
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Speaker 1: very fast, but are covering a lot of ground right

438
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Speaker 1: with those strides and their ability to eat it up.

439
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Speaker 1: And I think that's what you get from from Darnell Washington.

440
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Speaker 1: I think he's probably more of a gradual speed guy.

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Speaker 1: Um And certainly I think what's most important as you

442
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Speaker 1: go back to the tape, and you don't like that

443
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Speaker 1: that speed, that athleticism doesn't show up, just like I'd

444
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Speaker 1: say it didn't show up for Jeanni Woods. It's straight

445
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Speaker 1: up didn't. But then they test like that and you realize, okay,

446
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Speaker 1: we got something here. Um. And so for for Darnell Washington,

447
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Speaker 1: um man, he's he's gonna be an impact blocker from

448
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Speaker 1: day one. Um. You know, you see the NFL, everybody

449
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Speaker 1: wants to run outside zone. Well, you gotta win the

450
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Speaker 1: edge and outside zone. You can do that with Darnel Washington.

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Speaker 1: But also it's it's that catch radius. It's that ability

452
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Speaker 1: to beat zone coverage which really matters. Right. It's it's

453
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Speaker 1: one thing to be maybe not like the most explosive

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Speaker 1: tight end that you don't love as a guy that's

455
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Speaker 1: gonna win against man coverage a ton. But is he smart?

456
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Speaker 1: Can he make set adjustments? Can he sit down? Can

457
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Speaker 1: he be available? Absolutely? And so I think that catch radius,

458
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Speaker 1: with that blocking ability, with that's size, he's plenty appealing.

459
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think we could all agree

460
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Speaker 1: that that level of freak athlete wasn't what we saw

461
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Speaker 1: all the time at Georgia. Hi is Tucker Craft gonna go?

462
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Speaker 1: It's a good question. I mean, we've got this group

463
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Speaker 1: of tight ends, whether it's Michael mayor Darnell Washington, Dalton Kincaid,

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Speaker 1: Luke musk Grave, Tucker Craft like this? Is that SAMUELA

465
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Speaker 1: Porter like? Those are the guys, right. I think Tucker

466
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Speaker 1: Craft has some things working against me. Had a little

467
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Speaker 1: bit of an injury this past year, smaller school guy.

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably a second round pick. I'd be

469
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Speaker 1: very surprised if he got to the third round. But

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Speaker 1: what could work for him and him falling a little

471
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Speaker 1: bit if you want it? Not necessary for him, it

472
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Speaker 1: would work against him, But for the teams that are

473
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Speaker 1: wanting him is you just don't see that volume of

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Speaker 1: tight ends go right, Like, we don't typically see more

475
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Speaker 1: than one first round tight end. There's not even been

476
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Speaker 1: that many selected recently. So there's a numbers game that

477
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Speaker 1: probably hurts Tucker Craft but provides a lot of value

478
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Speaker 1: to the NFL if he's the guy that kind of

479
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Speaker 1: slides a little bit, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I don't think seven tight ends are going to go

481
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Speaker 1: in the first two rounds. All right, let let's go

482
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Speaker 1: to running back an offensive line here, Um, the Giants

483
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Speaker 1: could be in the running back conversation. We don't know

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Speaker 1: the answer to that question. Ask for this recording on Monday.

485
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Speaker 1: Who's the guy that maybe let's take Bijean and Gibson

486
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Speaker 1: throw them out. Who else at the combine because you

487
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Speaker 1: know they're going to be gone into the first round,

488
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Speaker 1: very early second round. Right of the guys that performed

489
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Speaker 1: at the combine, you know, we've talked about Taj Spears

490
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Speaker 1: a ton. He didn't really do much an indie. Who

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Speaker 1: are the guys that you like in Day two or

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Speaker 1: early Day three picks that you think kind of step

493
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Speaker 1: in here based on what you're saw in Indie that

494
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Speaker 1: that kind of impact and you're like, oh, yeah, that's

495
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Speaker 1: you know what I would. I would give him the

496
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Speaker 1: reins and feel pretty good about it. Yeah. I mean,

497
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Speaker 1: if you're looking for that lead back, right, I think

498
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Speaker 1: that's where the conversation gets interesting because there's a ton

499
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Speaker 1: of guys that you feel like can be a complimentary player,

500
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Speaker 1: but if you want to a guy that could really

501
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Speaker 1: carry the load, I think after Bijean and Jamir give right,

502
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Speaker 1: those are very correctly identified as one and two. I

503
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Speaker 1: think you look at guys like Zach charbon At out

504
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Speaker 1: of UCLA bigger back. For him, it was a two

505
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Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen pounds six foot two fourteen, ran four

506
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Speaker 1: five three thirty seven verse ten two broad. You saw

507
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Speaker 1: the way that he won through contact with consistency at UCLA,

508
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Speaker 1: A lot of vision there. You know, he's a guy

509
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Speaker 1: that you feel, I can really take some volume for

510
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Speaker 1: your offense. Kenny Macintosh is a player that I really like.

511
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Speaker 1: I know that he he ran four six two. I

512
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Speaker 1: know that that doesn't get a lot of people excited,

513
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Speaker 1: but watch him play. I mean, if you want a

514
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Speaker 1: multifaceted back that can win downhill, that can catch the football,

515
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Speaker 1: that can block. I mean, you get a lot from

516
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Speaker 1: Kenny mackintosh, and I don't think athleticism was something that

517
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Speaker 1: I was concerned about with him in the SEC. So

518
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Speaker 1: I like him as if you're looking for a guy

519
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Speaker 1: that can carry some volume for you, and then I

520
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Speaker 1: know that Roshan Johnson has a lot of fans and

521
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Speaker 1: another bigger back six foot two twenty pounds ran four

522
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Speaker 1: five eight, high character guy. You feel like he can

523
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Speaker 1: carry some volume for you as well. I know Bijean

524
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Speaker 1: was kind of the guy there for Texas, but a

525
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Speaker 1: lot of people think that Roshan has starter traits in

526
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and I think four or fives and two

527
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds is something that as a as

528
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Speaker 1: a you know, guy that's gonna take some carries for you.

529
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Speaker 1: That's kind of what you're looking for. And that's not

530
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Speaker 1: kidding until he's much TODJ Spears explosive. You like him

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Speaker 1: as a complimentary player. Devin a chain from Texas and

532
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Speaker 1: I'm complimentary player to me, but you want that guy

533
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Speaker 1: to take some volume. Those are some of the names

534
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Speaker 1: that come to mind for me. How about Chase Brown?

535
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Speaker 1: How much did he help himself with that four four three.

536
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Speaker 1: We know about he had all the production might you

537
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Speaker 1: would ever won. I mean, Chase Brown probably should have

538
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Speaker 1: been the Heisman Trophy winner for being honest, right, Like

539
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't nobody's really gonna pound the table

540
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Speaker 1: for a running back out of Illinois, but like measure

541
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Speaker 1: his production up against some of the other people, and

542
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Speaker 1: he should have at least been in New York. Maybe

543
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Speaker 1: maybe we won't pull Caleb Williams Heisman away from him.

544
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Speaker 1: But I think that that Chase had certainly had a

545
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Speaker 1: case and was really really productive. I think for him, um,

546
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Speaker 1: the testing was really really good. And why I think

547
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Speaker 1: it's important is because I thought he looked very ordinary

548
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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, right, like, the season was great,

549
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Speaker 1: and then the Senior Bowl was May and he comes

550
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Speaker 1: back and test really well, and it feels like you

551
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Speaker 1: can kind of lean back into it um a little

552
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Speaker 1: with some confidence. But yeah, I mean the season he

553
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Speaker 1: had this past year was phenomenal. The combine was phenomenal,

554
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Speaker 1: and I think he's got a lot of momentum. Yeah,

555
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Speaker 1: I agree, I think so too. All right, into your

556
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Speaker 1: offensive line, the Giants could be in that marketplace here, Joe,

557
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Speaker 1: I don't think it testing wise, anyone jumped out of

558
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Speaker 1: me at least a garden center John Michael Schmidtz. You

559
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Speaker 1: know it is fine, you know, Steve if Vilo was fine.

560
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Speaker 1: You know, nobody to me really pumped. Who are some

561
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Speaker 1: of the guys that that either you know, listen to

562
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Speaker 1: them or watching them doing their thing at the combine

563
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Speaker 1: or in general that you think could be a look

564
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Speaker 1: at guard center that can plug him play for you

565
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Speaker 1: on day two? Yeah, I think you hit some of

566
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Speaker 1: the big names. Joe Tipman, John Michael Schmidtz, so Cyrus Torrence,

567
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Speaker 1: those are kind of your you're cream of the crop

568
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Speaker 1: into your offensive lineman that I would expect to go

569
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Speaker 1: in the back twenty five percent of the first round

570
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Speaker 1: into the second round. There's your starters. But if you

571
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Speaker 1: want to move away from those names. Two one small

572
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Speaker 1: school guy in one not small school guy city. So

573
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Speaker 1: out of Eastern Michigan. He came in three hundred twenty

574
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Speaker 1: three pounds, almost thirty four inch arms, almost eleven inch hands,

575
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Speaker 1: ran five h seven thirty two inch vertical for an

576
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Speaker 1: offensive guard at three twenty three pounds. He's a player

577
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Speaker 1: that actually a former NFL player at the Senior Bowl

578
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Speaker 1: said Hey, Joe, you gotta watch City So and I did,

579
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Speaker 1: and then he did that at the combine, and so

580
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Speaker 1: I'm really leaning into to him as a kind of

581
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Speaker 1: a maybe maybe a later day two guy that lines

582
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Speaker 1: up being a steal for somebody. And then the ucl

583
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Speaker 1: UCLA guard John Gaines the second I thought he from

584
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Speaker 1: a testing perspective, also really helped himself at the combine.

585
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Speaker 1: So I think it was the names you'd expect. But

586
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Speaker 1: if you want to go a little bit deeper, City

587
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Speaker 1: so Eastern Michigan, John is a second out of UCLA

588
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: are two guys that I think helped themselves a lot.

589
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Joe Shane Joe talked in Indianapolis about

590
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: the scarcity of defensive tackles, interior defensive lineman, you know,

591
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Speaker 1: trying to find somebody to go with Dexter Lawrence and

592
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Speaker 1: Leonard Williams maybe eventually step in forward Leonard Williams down

593
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Speaker 1: the road as he gets a little bit older. Who

594
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Speaker 1: are some of the defensive tackles that you think Willie

595
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Speaker 1: na have made a name for themselves out there that

596
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Speaker 1: could fit that Bill Well, I think that's for me.

597
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Speaker 1: Keanu Benton's the name that really really pops out of Wisconsin.

598
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: Good career for the Badgers, and then good senior bull

599
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: good combine. We like where this is headed. Right wrestling background.

600
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Speaker 1: I think he's got the versatility to play multiple spots

601
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Speaker 1: up front. Has some good hand usage, which is not

602
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: something you can see at the combine, but I appreciate

603
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Speaker 1: that about his game and some of the counters that

604
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Speaker 1: exist with his rush profile. So he's a name. I

605
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Speaker 1: obviously Jalen Carter out of Georgia's the huge name, Brian

606
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Speaker 1: breecy Clemson, but I'm really excited about him, Keano Benson,

607
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: and then a guy that I don't don't know that

608
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: he did a whole lot of testing, but I know

609
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Speaker 1: he did the bench press, Mazzy Smith out of Michigan.

610
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: I think we're sleeping. I think everybody's sleeping on this guy.

611
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: I think he's a freak athlete that's three hundred thirty

612
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: pounds that had a great season for Michigan that I

613
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Speaker 1: think offers versatility and maybe his pass rush impact in

614
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: college wasn't great, but my goodness, the athleticism that he

615
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: has gets me excited about translating him to the next level.

616
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Speaker 1: And we said things like that about Dalvin Tomlinson. We

617
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Speaker 1: said things like that about other interior defensive lineman that

618
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Speaker 1: Vitavea can he rush in the NFL? Yes he can.

619
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Speaker 1: They're they're big athletic dudes. And so I think Mazzi

620
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Speaker 1: Smith out of Michigan is a player that's absolutely slept

621
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Speaker 1: on an interior defensive line that is gonna, you know,

622
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Speaker 1: whether that's late first round or second round. I think

623
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Speaker 1: is a name people need to get a little bit

624
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Speaker 1: more in tune with. I'm gonna throw a couple of names. Actually,

625
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: give me your take at a time away at a

626
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: bare from Northwestern who was unbelievable with this test crazy combine, Yeah, ridiculous.

627
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Speaker 1: The guy that four four nine to two pounds, like

628
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Speaker 1: what and then it just drill work good too. He

629
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: looks rocked up like thirty four inch arms, like he

630
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: checks every box. I hope people made a big deal

631
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Speaker 1: about Coliji Cans. He's forty, he's the laborom so he

632
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: hasn't done anything else really, And then I thought Gurbon

633
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Dexter looked really good too as a bigger guy. Those

634
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: other two guys kind of undersized. I thought he'd flashed

635
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: him pretty good to let athleticism for a bigger guy.

636
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: Good names are bringing up will start with Gurvin Dexter. Yeah,

637
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the size and athleticism really popped at the Combine and

638
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: that was good because I thought for two seasons at

639
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: Florida he was really really inconsistent. And I get concerned

640
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: about Florida, like just I don't feel like their player

641
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: development for the last decade has been very good. Um,

642
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: it just feels like just a lot of just underdeveloped players.

643
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: And I think that happens when you have so much

644
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: turnover with your coaching staff. But um, he's a guy

645
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: that maybe his best football is ahead of him. I

646
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: do think this last two years of tape concern me.

647
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: But against size and athleticism is absolutely there. You mentioned

648
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Klijah Cancy got a pit and I'll tell you what,

649
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: he might be the most difficult evaluation in the class

650
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: because he's a complete outlier in terms of size. I mean,

651
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: what was six one, two hundred eighty pounds? What sub

652
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: did he have? Thirty one in charms? I mean just

653
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: they were very short. They were very short. Just just

654
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: concerning lee short and you can you can absolutely appreciate, Yeah,

655
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: thirty and five eighths on the arm at sub thirty one.

656
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: That's crazy to me. Um. You can appreciate the disruption

657
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: and how impactful he was at PIT, but translating that

658
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: to the next level is just really really hard for me.

659
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: I think he can provide some energy, but I mean

660
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: that type he's gonna get outreached all day long in

661
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. He like he's gonna have to relearn how

662
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: to win, right because just guys are gonna be longer,

663
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna be more stout, they're gonna be able to

664
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: move better in the NFL, and I think it's gonna

665
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: be a big challenge for Colijah Cancy. So to me,

666
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I recognize the talent and the

667
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: intrigue and all that, but he's probably a guy I

668
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: let somebody else pick right Like that you can you

669
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: can enjoy the risk reward, I'll lean into a different player. Um.

670
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: And then the last one was out of Tommy Yeah

671
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: man from from Northwestern Goodness gracious. UM, shout out to

672
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Krabs with one of my colleagues, we do the

673
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: draft dudes together and Um, he was in on him

674
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: over the summer. But I don't think anybody expected four

675
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: fours at two eighty plus pounds. I mean, that's freak stuff.

676
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. And I like the density of his frame.

677
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: He's not super like Paul, so he's sub six two,

678
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: like six one and a half. Like that's a lot

679
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: of density to go with that explosiveness in those long arms.

680
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: So man, I mean, I thought he looked good at

681
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and had a good career at Northwestern.

682
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: He is one of the biggest risers of late for sure.

683
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure if the John's gonna go

684
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: after another edge guy. They have a Zizojalari and cave

685
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: On tipod House. But Joe Shay and his time in Buffalo, Joe,

686
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: as you well know, they just kept drafting defensive lineman.

687
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who they had up there. They just

688
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: keep going Evanessa at Oliver Rousseau, just go down the line, right,

689
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: they signed von Miller. They just keep atching guys up front.

690
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Stop who in that group. And Indie really jumped out

691
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: to you and that can be like, oh, Win Barndale,

692
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: I could see him really liking that dude up front. Well,

693
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: keep mentioning the Senior Bowl, but man, wink, Martin Dell

694
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: and Joe shamber right there on the sidelines. Focusing on

695
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: those defensive linemen too. You can tell that's something they'll

696
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: be thinking about. And obviously with a bunch of expiring

697
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: contracts there with a lot of the depth players, you

698
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: could see them going with with some defensive linemen. Um,

699
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: what's what's interesting is the Wink Martin Dell defense usually

700
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: features some very stout dudes and then just guys that

701
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: they can create space to unleash and attack the pocket

702
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: right and when you go to the edge side of things,

703
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: that group really there's so many players that I think

704
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: translate to that style of defense. Like, if you're a

705
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: pure even front defense and you're looking for a true

706
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: four three defensive end, maybe this isn't the class for you.

707
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: But if you want those guys that you can really

708
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: scheme up and create some rush lanes for them, you can.

709
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: And that's what Wink does, right, He's made a hell

710
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: of a career out of that. You can get those players.

711
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: So I think about a Byron Young from from Tennessee

712
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: with man I mean first in flexibility for days. He

713
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: really really intrigues me. You know. Nolan Smith, I know,

714
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: is a smaller player but I mean, I think even

715
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: at Georgia you knew he was a little little underdeveloped

716
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: with his rush plan, but the athleticism was off the charts.

717
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: He certainly validated that with his combine showing. He intrigues

718
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: me quite a bit. I mean, Will McDonald, I know

719
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: that he didn't do all this stuff, but as a length, burst,

720
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: flexibility type guy out of Iowa State, he pops. I

721
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: mean those that I can really go on and on

722
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Felix and Adki used zomb out of Kansas State. He

723
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: really fits that type of description. So I think that

724
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: the well is going to be plentyfull for the Giants

725
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: if they're looking for some of those slashers off the

726
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: edge and then those stout dudes on the interior as well.

727
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the middle linebacker. The Giants

728
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: really don't have one. Yeah, they signed Jared Davis around

729
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve starting playoff games for them. I mean, it

730
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. Jayles Smith was basically picked off the scrap heap, right,

731
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: he couldn't find the team he started for the most

732
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: of the year, And I don't think this is a

733
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: great middle linebacker group. It would not shock me Joe

734
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: if you don't see even one picked in the first round,

735
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: even as late as the Giants are picking. What did you?

736
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: I know you're in mental one the earlier. So a

737
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: little teas there. What guys at the combine at that

738
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: spot really jumped out as you that you think couldn't

739
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: intrigue the Giants there, either with the first round pick

740
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: or maybe when they're picking in the fifties. Yeah. I

741
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: think the name's Jack Campbell out of Iowa. Really good

742
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: player there this past season. I think two years ago

743
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: he showcased himself well, and I didn't love his twenty

744
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: twenty one tape, But twenty twenty two, I think he

745
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: put it all together. And we're talking over sixty four

746
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty pounds ran four six five. I mean,

747
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: like objectively one of the best five combine performances of

748
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: any player there. I mean, just showcasing athleticism and ways

749
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: that we needed to see it. Because that was my

750
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: question with Jack Campbell was, Hey, I like your downhill ability,

751
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: You're super smart, You're a good tackler. I think you

752
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: have short short zone coverage skill, but what type of

753
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: range do you have? Well? I think we feel good

754
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: about the athletic profile that we saw at the combine,

755
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: and I think I think for a lot of teams

756
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be a really good choice. What's interesting

757
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: about the linebackers is maybe we don't have a lot

758
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: of options in the draft that we love, but free

759
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: agency is gonna provide some answers there for teams. I

760
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: mean a lot of veterans and intriguing players there that

761
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: I think offset some of what this class is missing

762
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: at linebacker. And especially you think about like the top

763
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: two guys that people talk about, Drew Sanders out of

764
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: Arkansas not necessarily a very traditional player in terms of

765
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: how he wanted Arkansas. I think I think if there

766
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: were Sam linebackers in the NFL anymore, like a true

767
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: fourth three Sam, like he's perfect, right that that's that's

768
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: what you want, but that's not the end. Yeah. And

769
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: then even even the other guy, Trent and Simpson, we

770
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: knew he's athletic, but I'm not sure he's more than

771
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: just a seaball get ball type player. Like the read

772
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: and react skill there is very underwhelming. I think he's

773
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: a guy that you would just give him singular responsibility

774
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: to shoot this gap, cover this player, right, uh, pursue

775
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: from the weak side. You know, I worry about I

776
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: worry about the processing skills there. So that brings me

777
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: to guys like Jack Campbell, who I'm really excited about

778
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: today coming out of the combine because I got an

779
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: athletic profile that I needed to go with processing skills

780
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: and consistent film. Yeah, his short shuttle time in three

781
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: cone work were fantastic, which is really important for him.

782
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: Many a solid forty time too. Is he low? Four six?

783
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Is right? Campbell? Right? Yeah, really good? Excellent? All right, cornerback,

784
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: last position we'll hit here, Joe, because I think this

785
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: is probably maybe the strength of this class, and no question,

786
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: no question. You know, We're flying back on Friday night

787
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to keep tracking these drills on my

788
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: phone and I'm like, are all these guys running in

789
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: the four three's? How is this possible? And it was possible,

790
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: they all did it, And now I wonder who's even

791
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: gonna be left when the Giants pick at twenty five. Well,

792
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: the good news about these corner classes that there's a

793
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: lot of them, and I think I think you're going

794
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: to see him stacked up a whole lot of different

795
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: ways and Obviously, scheme specificity's gonna gonna come into play

796
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: for what skill sets match, what what teams want to do.

797
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: But I mean this, this thing is absolutely slam full

798
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: of guys. Devin Witherspoon out of Illinois, Christian Gonzalez, who's

799
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: an absolute monster out of Oregon, Joey Porter Junior for

800
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: the U. I said, the Giants for Penn State. You know,

801
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna be intriguing for people, giant fans if he

802
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: got down there. I think that'd be that'd be a

803
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: real that'd be a real good fit for him. Um.

804
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: You know Cam Smith out of South Carolina looks really good, Um,

805
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: Blue Kellyante Banks. I mean these all these players we

806
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: just mentioned, those are like top forty five picks, top

807
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: fifty picks, And that's just scratching the surface. So there's

808
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: gonna be there's gonna be answers here for teams. Um,

809
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: and if you need one, get one because the well

810
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: is full and there's a lot of talent. There's a

811
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: lot of different skill sets available. You mentioned skill setting fit.

812
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: You know what Wi Morndale likes to do. Joe, he

813
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: wants the blitz and he wants to play man. Yeah,

814
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: who fits oh Man Devin Witherspoon. I think is the

815
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: man coverage skills are the Giants are picking with twenty five?

816
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: I don't know or twenty six? Yeah, I know. That's

817
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: probably where we should focus the conversation. You mentioned Deante

818
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Banks out of out of Maryland. Physical, I mean, certainly

819
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: got the eyes and athleticism to turn and carry. I

820
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: really like Cam Smith out of South Carolina. I think

821
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: feet and hips are really good ball skills. Competitive puffness

822
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: are there. You don't worry he's gonna be able to

823
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: tackle for you that there's no questions there. And like

824
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: let's say that you miss out, you want to wait,

825
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: you got you know, second round pick or know the

826
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: Giants have a couple of third round picks. If I'm

827
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: not mistaken, Hi, you Blue Kelly out of Stanford really

828
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: is a good man cover corner that can tackle and

829
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: has lengths. So there's there's gonna be guys at all spots,

830
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: and so if they don't get one at twenty five,

831
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: it'll be all right. They'll get somebody later on. You know.

832
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: It's funny one guy that I watched his tape before

833
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: the Senior Ball when we went down the mobile and

834
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: I was underwhelmed. I'm like, he's sixty three, but he

835
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: doesn't play like he's six three. He's not physical, he's

836
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: inconsistent Julius Brents. And then I thought he was pretty

837
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: good at mobile and then his testing at his size

838
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: with his agility drills and Indianapolis and Wink loves big

839
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: long corners. Now I'm thinking boys, is that a mid

840
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: round fit there given his raw skills. Well, I really

841
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: liked his game against TCU in the Big twelve Championship games.

842
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: If you're looking for like his best game, that would

843
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: be the one to watch. And like you mentioned, I

844
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: liked him at the senior both certainly tested really really well. Uh,

845
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: he is a player that I think is probably a

846
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: better fit for zone schemes. Um, you know, I think

847
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: for his athletic and as big as he is, I

848
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: still think you want him him playing, you know, kind

849
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: of in that half turn cover three you know quarters looks. Yeah,

850
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: he's he's that right, And you say that, But like

851
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: the Seahawks defense is now in on a lot of teams,

852
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Speaker 1: whether it's with the Jets they got out of Sauce Gardner,

853
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: I guess the Seahawks still the forty nine ers, the Bills.

854
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of teams out there that

855
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: rut colts right. There's there's defenses for him. He may

856
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: not be the best fit for the Giants fair enough. Um,

857
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: a couple other guys that impressed with their testing, Uh

858
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Speaker 1: Keiley Ringout who I know, people all over the map

859
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: on that dude. Yeah, Um, he has the physical ability

860
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Speaker 1: to play press man, but I'm not sure if he

861
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: could do it yet this year. And then Darius Rush

862
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Speaker 1: at the South Carolina who was unbelievable in mobile and

863
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: then you know, just being up close to him, he

864
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: is such a big frame dude, Like he's a big corner.

865
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Speaker 1: He made a four to three six, which I cannot

866
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Speaker 1: see coming. Your thoughts on those two guys, Yeah, you

867
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: know I didn't see that coming from Darius Rush either.

868
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: I watched his tape in South Carolina did the right

869
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: up on him, and I had athleticism concerns and maybe

870
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: that kind of kind of comes from You know, sometimes players,

871
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: if you if you if your play speeds and your

872
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: processing speeds not there, you're gonna look slow. But in

873
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: an isolated situation where it's hey, run forty yards, do

874
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: this drill, you're gonna look fast, right, And I still

875
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: think that his functional athleticism is different. So, I mean,

876
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: I think it's good to know that he's capable of

877
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: that type of athletic profile, but I didn't see it

878
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: at South Carolina, and I thought of him as his

879
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: own corner as well, especially when you think about the

880
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: ball skills that he has. I think that you can

881
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: really maximize that with him very much not having his

882
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: back to the line of scrimmage, with a whole lot

883
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: of consistency. The other name you mentioned was a Keiley Ringo. Yeah,

884
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean you think about the journey there. You couldn't

885
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: open a mock draft over the summer without him being

886
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: probably a top ten pick, right. But I think the

887
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: reality of him is it's more physical upside than it

888
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: is consistency on the field and just that reactionary ability

889
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: to mirror and really feel routes and clothes. It's not there.

890
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like he's got some impressive moments because of

891
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: the athleticism, and he makes them really exciting plays. But

892
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's a guy that I would

893
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: label as sticky. I don't know that he's a very

894
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: instinctive corner, right, and so that's kind of the stuff

895
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: you might want to stay away from when you're considering

896
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: a man heavy defense. One hundred percent agree with your

897
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: final guy. I'll ask you about at corner before I

898
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: give you one generic question. DJ Turner right four to six.

899
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: I have not done a full deep tape study on

900
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: him yet. What scheme does he fit? And is he

901
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: pushing himself into the first round conversation? Now he's he's

902
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: a man corner. So this this, this is more along

903
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: the Giants prototypes of what you're gonna like about DJ

904
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: Turner as he's athletic, he's got quick feet, fluid ips,

905
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: sticky in coverage, and he is a dude when it

906
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: comes to tackling. Like I like my dbs to tackle.

907
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: I know that, Um, that's secondary to coverage and making

908
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: plays in the ball, but like if you can come

909
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: down and tackle, like to me, that matters. Um, that's

910
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: one of the biggest exceptions that I'll never forget, Like CJ.

911
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Henderson coming out of Florida, Like I just couldn't get

912
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: past the business decisions that that guy made. And look

913
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: look where he's at in the NFL right now. He's

914
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing, bouncing around a couple different teams, inconsistent. Um,

915
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: DJ Turner, Let's get back to him. Really good athlete,

916
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: really instinctive player, and he's a dog in terms of

917
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: tackling ability. So I like him a ton. I worry

918
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: about the size. You know, we're sub sub thirty one

919
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: in charms, one hundred and seventy eight pounds. Um. You

920
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: think maybe at five to eleven he can add a

921
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: little bit um and and even if that means losing

922
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: some athleticism, because I mean he's obviously super athletic. I

923
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: like to see him push one hundred eighty five ninety pounds,

924
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: and I think he would be a really nice option

925
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: for the Giants, honestly on Day two. All right, final

926
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Speaker 1: question here, How did the landscape of this draft in

927
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Speaker 1: your eyes, Joe change during that week in Indianapolis? If

928
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Speaker 1: at all, you can look at it from any perspective

929
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Speaker 1: you want, top of the draft, trade market, whatever, What

930
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: was the most striking thing for you that maybe changed

931
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: the way you were thinking about this draft in general?

932
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Speaker 1: I think for me, it's my belief that we get

933
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: four top ten quarterbacks has changed. I didn't think going

934
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Speaker 1: into it. I didn't think that would happen. I thought

935
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Speaker 1: there was enough concerns with Anthony Richardson that he would

936
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Speaker 1: more or less be a maybe for the top ten.

937
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: And you kind of thought more teams maybe trading back

938
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Speaker 1: into the first rounds, Teams that maybe weren't needing a

939
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: quarterback now down the line would want to maybe trade

940
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: back and get him or use a later first round

941
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Speaker 1: pick on him. I think with him literally be testing

942
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: at a level that we all knew he's athletic, right,

943
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: that's not hard to know, But did we know he

944
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: was like the most athletic quarterback ever quarterback almost player,

945
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: all right, yee's it's like, it's ridiculous that guy's going early,

946
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: like and I know that like the man, he doesn't

947
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: have a lot of snaps, Like there's red flags here.

948
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: Let's let's not forget like he's very inexperienced, weird coaching situation,

949
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: super uneven play, inaccurate, all of it. John, But he's

950
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: like too much of a freak for a team like

951
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: Seattle right to not pick in that top ten, Right,

952
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: I just I think he's gonna do it, so I think,

953
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: And that's a big fundamental shift, right, I thought maybe

954
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: maybe like kind of had to force it. Now I'm like, yeah,

955
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Speaker 1: this guy might not only be a top ten pick,

956
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: maybe a top five. Maybe he's a number one pick.

957
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but someone's gonna bet on those traits.

958
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Speaker 1: I know it. Joe, good stuff. Promote what you want

959
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: to promote the man. Yeah. Hey, appreciate you having me

960
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Speaker 1: on John The best thing you can do. Follow me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at d Joe Marino, Draft Dudes Podcast, Lockdown,

962
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: Bill's Podcast, and always always fun talking about with you. John.

963
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely check out Joe stuff, check out the Draft Network,

964
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: all that good stuff in Kayle do a fantastic job.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the John's Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: you by PSC and Jay. We'll see you next time. Everybody,